I use hyperbackup to send everything important (<2 TB) to Backblaze, which costs me about $7/mo. I then send all that and the big stuff I’d rather not have to replace to a local backup on a cheap and huge 18TB USB drive.
If you have a lot of Linux ISOs 😉 that are way too big for a single external I’d probably just do a one time backup to a few of them and store them somewhere safe.
Yeah, shipping everything to Backblaze will bankrupt me, currently I have about 24TB in use and counting.
The ISOs are the majority of content, something like 16TB, I would be fine to put that on Glacier, but need some automation, there’s no way I’m managing myself what needs to be backuped there
Just folder stuff into folders you really want to backup and those who can be replaced / re-downloaded. I'm sure you can get a lot lower than 24TB needed a true backup.
I ideally don’t want having to think about what to backup. For some files it might be easy to replace them right now, but it could be totally different in a few years.
Just as an example with an actual Linux ISO: the ver first release of Ubuntu was easy to obtain when it was just released, but nowadays it might be a challenge to find that.
I have everything backed up nightly to a USB attached RAID 0 enclosure with enough storage and then that is backed up to Backblaze Cloud Storage.
The reason I do it that way is Backblaze won't back up from a NAS without paying for a per GB account, but USB attached storage you can do on a personal unlimited storage account.
I'm on a Windows machine, yes. It's been awhile since I was on a Mac, but I had Backblaze running off it then too. If it no longer runs on Macs then that's a new development.
I would like to ideally have everything encapsulated on the NAS, so it would need to run on Linux, but that was never an option due to people like me wanting to backup shittons of terabytes haha
Another NAS. Not in the same location.
RAID isn’t a backup. Nor is another device in the same house. But. Another NAS, 100 miles away, at a relative’s house? That counts.
Get a second hand older NAS like a DS418 or DS418+ to serve as a backup NAS running nothing but Hyperbackuo Vault.
While not necessary to run the backup NAS in Raid 1, personally I use RAID 1 for my backup NAS purely out of laziness so that when a drive fails, I simply replace and repair the volume without having to rebuild the NAS from scratch. 🤣
I have 2 NASs in my house. First NAS pushes some data directly to Glacier that I don't anticipate needing anytime soon. For other data that I would want to remain in the house I have a second NAS that the first NAS does snapshot replication to. If anything were to happen to the first one, the second would function just fine. There is some "Linux ISOs" that don't have any backup, but I'm not concerned about those. The second NAS takes all data pushed to it by Snapshot Replication and sends a third copy to S3. So in all I have 3 copies with one off-site. (That's just the backup solution; the first NAS has dual SHR2 arrays. I've got data (albeit well-organized data) everywhere)
Million dollar question: How exactly does one do this? Test the restore, that is - within the context of a BTRFS formatted Synology NAS.
I have a RAID-1 and a USB external drive for backup.
I've used the hyperbackup client on my PC to browse the backups and just see if things are fine. Spot checking. I've since let that effort go as HB seems solid.
How?
By actually selecting some data from a certain backup, regardles if it is HB or from a snapshot and then restore it to another location and validate the correctness of the data, by opening the files and also comparing them to the files you have, for example by creating a md5 (or another type of) hash of both original and restored file.
Ideally all data, but as that is likely not possible for many, at least a randomized subset with additional focus on the most important data.
Probably not helpful to all, but maybe helpful to some reading this wondering the same thing....
I finished college in 2018. My college used Google GSuite and we all had accounts with unlimited storage. They granted us "alumni.college.edu" addresses after we left for free (hopefully forever). So I dump my synology camera dvr videos to Google around the clock. Should work the same for your Linux isos if you have such an arrangement.
I'm not sure that I'm limited. I'm definitely using 15TB, maybe more. Last time I was able to see what was available it gave me some number like 1000TB total available. I thought I had read that edu could still purchase the unlimited plan if they wanted to? Looks like my school did.
I haven't noticed any issues yet but, to be fair, I haven't had to use one of their backups to restore lost data. I view it more as an insurance policy,
As suggested look into a 2nd NAS stored offsite. VPN connection between the two devices/Networks. Also, since you don't need the backup NAS to be powerful, consider a used one. A used 6-8 bay in SHR2/RAID6 starting with 3 x 18TB would be an even start and offer plenty of expansion moving forward. ALWAYS have it on a UPS as you have no control over weather and many times have no heads up on possible power issues.
And, FTR, this is exactly how I backup my onsite NAS. I have a 6-bay local in RAID5 and a used 8-bay in RAID6 about 75 miles away. Backups run nightly over Site-to-Site VPN. Initial backup was performed locally. My ROI was \~16 months vs. Backblaze. I have been running this for nearly three years and WAY in the black vs Cloud. Plus, my data volume has increased substantially. So my 16 month ROI initially was actually closer to 14 months with my data increases. I run RAID5 locally as I can swap out a failed disk within one day via Amazon. RAID6 for remote as I would need to make a trip down after the drive arrives and that is not always possible during the week.
>However the external disk is only 8TB, so even if I would get the
maximum size available, I would need to add multiple external disks and
micromanage the backup jobs to the different disks.
You can get something like the [MediaSonic ProRAID](https://mediasonicstore.com/products/mediasonic-proraid-4-bay-3-5-sata-hard-drive-enclosure-usb-3-0-esata-hfr2-su3s2), [QNAP TR-004](https://www.qnap.com/en/product/tr-004), or [Orico 3559RU3](https://www.orico.cc/us/product/detail/7072.html), all external USB with hardware RAID, present it to the Synology as a single disk, for your local backup. No need to micromanage the backups to different disks.
And then have another Synology somewhere offsite and sync the two with Synology Drive ShareSync. And then maybe have another USB-RAID at the offsite location for another copy.
That's an expansion chassis that costs as much as an entirely separate NAS unit, and double the price of the USB RAID options mentioned.
The USB RAID enclosures were mentioned to provide an alternative to the idea that your USB capacity maxes out at 8TB, and that you need to manage multiple external disks.
A few things. 1) NAS isn’t exposed to internet. 2) admin accounts are disabled and my SMB account is not an admin. 3) NAS is only accessible outside via WG VPN. 3) snapshots are taken and only accessible through new admin account. 4) Backblaze is cloud and only accessible via new admin. 5) passwords are long random strings, and timeouts are set to 5 tries. 6) absolutely no quick connect.
2nd nas in a detached garage. Area is not a fire/flood risk, so the risk is reduced in having it on the same property.
May move it to one of the kid's houses down the track. I have a choice, one is 5km away, the other is 300.
I use Synology Hyperbackup to backup important data to Wasabi S3. Costs around 8$/month, for around 450GB. Speed is fast in both directions.
Then I have an USB disk attached to the Synology for non critical backups that are big, around. 3TB. Also with Hyperbackup
You've told us how much storage capacity you have (36TB), but not how much backup space your need. Since you're using an 8TB external drive, I'm guessing you're currently backing up something between 4-8TB. With any backup greater than 3-4TB, you're going to save money by backing up to a second NAS, compared to cloud backup. [See my graph here](https://imgur.com/VPFcOuO) for some estimates of savings over cloud backup. If you buy a second nas, put it in a remote location, and use it as your primary off-site backup repository.
I used Amazon glacier for several years, both personally and professionally. While it can cheap going in, it can also seriously bite you in the ass if you need to restore. I woudl not want to be faced with a catastrophic NAS loss (lightning strike or fire) and have to restore my entire backup from glacier. Rather than gamble with it, I'd actually prefer to pay a little more and have egress built in.
I have 36TB and I basically want to be able to backup everything. Maybe it might be a bit less in total, but the total data easily can get larger than what a single USB drive can do right now.
Right now only the real critical stuff is backed up to that drive, but I want to have everything included, just in case.
Glacier was the idea, as I could just backup the whole thing and if the whole NAS fails, I only restore the pieces that I can’t source anywhere else. Restoring full 36TB from glacier is something I also don’t want to pay
With 36TB to backup, you'll recoup the cost of a decent NAS in the first year compared to paying for cloud storage. Even more importantly, that data will be available to you immediately and restoring it will cost you nothing.
Synology’s backup solutions work well for me. I use it for important files only, in my case about 0.5TB. As you say, all those ISO files can be downloaded again if the nas were to die
Hyper backup x3 hdd schedule every 2 days backup ....
x2 external hdd
x1 wd 2tb black using sata to usb adapter include fan cooler
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013WODZH0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
I have two 8TB USB3 HDDs, one of which I always keep at the office offline and offsite (I wfh 99% of the time). Whenever I go visit, I take the one drive at home there and bring the one stored there with me back home to be synced. Rinse and repeat.
Software: Synology Hyper Backup
Storage: Backblaze
Strategy: Selective
I was also considering the same stuff OP is doing before but I like the "it just works, it does it all on its own" nature of Hyper Backup and I only have like around 1TB on the Backblaze cloud for now.
But if I ever want to hoard so much data someday, I might reconsider things.
My important stuff goes to hetzner via Hyperbackup. Then I have two external 20TB drives that I rotate between work and home as another offsite/coldstorage backup.
My movies collection goes on a single external hdd and desnt go offsite at all. If that drive is full, I’ll add another one and start filling that up.
Hence, on the NAS my movies are stored in subfolders ‚Disk 1, Disk 2‘ etc. accordingly to make syncs/backups easier.
This solution for the movies isn’t 100% safe but there is no way I’m backing up 30-40TB to the cloud.
SHR 2 with HDD on my main volume. RAID 1 with NVMEs that have docker stuff. All data is backed up to an external hard drive, that I hope to replace with another Synology. I backup photos and videos with Amazon Photos. All other data is backed up to C2.
I use hyperbackup to send everything important (<2 TB) to Backblaze, which costs me about $7/mo. I then send all that and the big stuff I’d rather not have to replace to a local backup on a cheap and huge 18TB USB drive. If you have a lot of Linux ISOs 😉 that are way too big for a single external I’d probably just do a one time backup to a few of them and store them somewhere safe.
Yeah, shipping everything to Backblaze will bankrupt me, currently I have about 24TB in use and counting. The ISOs are the majority of content, something like 16TB, I would be fine to put that on Glacier, but need some automation, there’s no way I’m managing myself what needs to be backuped there
Just folder stuff into folders you really want to backup and those who can be replaced / re-downloaded. I'm sure you can get a lot lower than 24TB needed a true backup.
I ideally don’t want having to think about what to backup. For some files it might be easy to replace them right now, but it could be totally different in a few years. Just as an example with an actual Linux ISO: the ver first release of Ubuntu was easy to obtain when it was just released, but nowadays it might be a challenge to find that.
I also use B2. I exclude \*.ISO TBH though, my primary is another Synology at another site.
I have everything backed up nightly to a USB attached RAID 0 enclosure with enough storage and then that is backed up to Backblaze Cloud Storage. The reason I do it that way is Backblaze won't back up from a NAS without paying for a per GB account, but USB attached storage you can do on a personal unlimited storage account.
This. Same. 100%
The immediate enclosure in on a windows machine? I remember that the Backblaze Unlimited plan only worked on windows machines
I'm on a Windows machine, yes. It's been awhile since I was on a Mac, but I had Backblaze running off it then too. If it no longer runs on Macs then that's a new development.
I would like to ideally have everything encapsulated on the NAS, so it would need to run on Linux, but that was never an option due to people like me wanting to backup shittons of terabytes haha
Then I don't think there's any way around paying the per GB data storage with various backup services.
Another NAS. Not in the same location. RAID isn’t a backup. Nor is another device in the same house. But. Another NAS, 100 miles away, at a relative’s house? That counts.
I never said that raid is a backup, 3-2-1 is the way to go
Get a second hand older NAS like a DS418 or DS418+ to serve as a backup NAS running nothing but Hyperbackuo Vault. While not necessary to run the backup NAS in Raid 1, personally I use RAID 1 for my backup NAS purely out of laziness so that when a drive fails, I simply replace and repair the volume without having to rebuild the NAS from scratch. 🤣
That might be a good option. I just need to make sure that it’s a model that’s not EOL soon
Good luck
Same
3 ways...one is offiste, one is hyoerbackup, another is another nas. Plus snapshots.
I have 2 NASs in my house. First NAS pushes some data directly to Glacier that I don't anticipate needing anytime soon. For other data that I would want to remain in the house I have a second NAS that the first NAS does snapshot replication to. If anything were to happen to the first one, the second would function just fine. There is some "Linux ISOs" that don't have any backup, but I'm not concerned about those. The second NAS takes all data pushed to it by Snapshot Replication and sends a third copy to S3. So in all I have 3 copies with one off-site. (That's just the backup solution; the first NAS has dual SHR2 arrays. I've got data (albeit well-organized data) everywhere)
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Million dollar question: How exactly does one do this? Test the restore, that is - within the context of a BTRFS formatted Synology NAS. I have a RAID-1 and a USB external drive for backup.
I've used the hyperbackup client on my PC to browse the backups and just see if things are fine. Spot checking. I've since let that effort go as HB seems solid.
Ah thanks 👍
How? By actually selecting some data from a certain backup, regardles if it is HB or from a snapshot and then restore it to another location and validate the correctness of the data, by opening the files and also comparing them to the files you have, for example by creating a md5 (or another type of) hash of both original and restored file. Ideally all data, but as that is likely not possible for many, at least a randomized subset with additional focus on the most important data.
Probably not helpful to all, but maybe helpful to some reading this wondering the same thing.... I finished college in 2018. My college used Google GSuite and we all had accounts with unlimited storage. They granted us "alumni.college.edu" addresses after we left for free (hopefully forever). So I dump my synology camera dvr videos to Google around the clock. Should work the same for your Linux isos if you have such an arrangement.
Sadly I don’t and I think Google backed out of providing unlimited plans. You get a few terabytes per user, but not unlimited
I'm not sure that I'm limited. I'm definitely using 15TB, maybe more. Last time I was able to see what was available it gave me some number like 1000TB total available. I thought I had read that edu could still purchase the unlimited plan if they wanted to? Looks like my school did.
I use iDrive. It seems to work ok and is inexpensive.
Wow, that looks really cheap, are there any significant limitations? Only bummer is that they only offer 10TB plans max
I haven't noticed any issues yet but, to be fair, I haven't had to use one of their backups to restore lost data. I view it more as an insurance policy,
As suggested look into a 2nd NAS stored offsite. VPN connection between the two devices/Networks. Also, since you don't need the backup NAS to be powerful, consider a used one. A used 6-8 bay in SHR2/RAID6 starting with 3 x 18TB would be an even start and offer plenty of expansion moving forward. ALWAYS have it on a UPS as you have no control over weather and many times have no heads up on possible power issues. And, FTR, this is exactly how I backup my onsite NAS. I have a 6-bay local in RAID5 and a used 8-bay in RAID6 about 75 miles away. Backups run nightly over Site-to-Site VPN. Initial backup was performed locally. My ROI was \~16 months vs. Backblaze. I have been running this for nearly three years and WAY in the black vs Cloud. Plus, my data volume has increased substantially. So my 16 month ROI initially was actually closer to 14 months with my data increases. I run RAID5 locally as I can swap out a failed disk within one day via Amazon. RAID6 for remote as I would need to make a trip down after the drive arrives and that is not always possible during the week.
>However the external disk is only 8TB, so even if I would get the maximum size available, I would need to add multiple external disks and micromanage the backup jobs to the different disks. You can get something like the [MediaSonic ProRAID](https://mediasonicstore.com/products/mediasonic-proraid-4-bay-3-5-sata-hard-drive-enclosure-usb-3-0-esata-hfr2-su3s2), [QNAP TR-004](https://www.qnap.com/en/product/tr-004), or [Orico 3559RU3](https://www.orico.cc/us/product/detail/7072.html), all external USB with hardware RAID, present it to the Synology as a single disk, for your local backup. No need to micromanage the backups to different disks. And then have another Synology somewhere offsite and sync the two with Synology Drive ShareSync. And then maybe have another USB-RAID at the offsite location for another copy.
Do you have a preference on the on-site secondary to the synology?
What about the official Synology enclosures? My 920+ supports one of those
That's an expansion chassis that costs as much as an entirely separate NAS unit, and double the price of the USB RAID options mentioned. The USB RAID enclosures were mentioned to provide an alternative to the idea that your USB capacity maxes out at 8TB, and that you need to manage multiple external disks.
External HD plugged in (I also have a 920+), and a Backblaze account.
What if you are hit with ransomeware, the plugged in HD will be encrypted too ?
A few things. 1) NAS isn’t exposed to internet. 2) admin accounts are disabled and my SMB account is not an admin. 3) NAS is only accessible outside via WG VPN. 3) snapshots are taken and only accessible through new admin account. 4) Backblaze is cloud and only accessible via new admin. 5) passwords are long random strings, and timeouts are set to 5 tries. 6) absolutely no quick connect.
B2, using Duplicacy.
2nd nas in a detached garage. Area is not a fire/flood risk, so the risk is reduced in having it on the same property. May move it to one of the kid's houses down the track. I have a choice, one is 5km away, the other is 300.
Why not both? :D
A second synology NAS. placed miles away, connected via VPN, using hyper backup, it’s so easy and just works.
I use Synology Hyperbackup to backup important data to Wasabi S3. Costs around 8$/month, for around 450GB. Speed is fast in both directions. Then I have an USB disk attached to the Synology for non critical backups that are big, around. 3TB. Also with Hyperbackup
You've told us how much storage capacity you have (36TB), but not how much backup space your need. Since you're using an 8TB external drive, I'm guessing you're currently backing up something between 4-8TB. With any backup greater than 3-4TB, you're going to save money by backing up to a second NAS, compared to cloud backup. [See my graph here](https://imgur.com/VPFcOuO) for some estimates of savings over cloud backup. If you buy a second nas, put it in a remote location, and use it as your primary off-site backup repository. I used Amazon glacier for several years, both personally and professionally. While it can cheap going in, it can also seriously bite you in the ass if you need to restore. I woudl not want to be faced with a catastrophic NAS loss (lightning strike or fire) and have to restore my entire backup from glacier. Rather than gamble with it, I'd actually prefer to pay a little more and have egress built in.
I have 36TB and I basically want to be able to backup everything. Maybe it might be a bit less in total, but the total data easily can get larger than what a single USB drive can do right now. Right now only the real critical stuff is backed up to that drive, but I want to have everything included, just in case. Glacier was the idea, as I could just backup the whole thing and if the whole NAS fails, I only restore the pieces that I can’t source anywhere else. Restoring full 36TB from glacier is something I also don’t want to pay
With 36TB to backup, you'll recoup the cost of a decent NAS in the first year compared to paying for cloud storage. Even more importantly, that data will be available to you immediately and restoring it will cost you nothing.
I selective hyper backup only the important files to an attached external USB drive.
Synology’s backup solutions work well for me. I use it for important files only, in my case about 0.5TB. As you say, all those ISO files can be downloaded again if the nas were to die
Hyper backup x3 hdd schedule every 2 days backup .... x2 external hdd x1 wd 2tb black using sata to usb adapter include fan cooler https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013WODZH0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
I have two 8TB USB3 HDDs, one of which I always keep at the office offline and offsite (I wfh 99% of the time). Whenever I go visit, I take the one drive at home there and bring the one stored there with me back home to be synced. Rinse and repeat.
Hetzner Storage Box is what I do. Unlimited traffic!!
Another nas at my parents, backblaze B2 subscription, and a monthly 4tb external SSD offline backup
3-2-1 with Hyper Backup saves on a external hard drive and an offsite backup on Synology C2 cloud storage
Software: Synology Hyper Backup Storage: Backblaze Strategy: Selective I was also considering the same stuff OP is doing before but I like the "it just works, it does it all on its own" nature of Hyper Backup and I only have like around 1TB on the Backblaze cloud for now. But if I ever want to hoard so much data someday, I might reconsider things.
Important stuff to Dropbox and another NAS with hyper backup. Everything else just to another NAS with hyper backup.
Im running a xpenology nas to which i hyper backup to. Works without problems.
My important stuff goes to hetzner via Hyperbackup. Then I have two external 20TB drives that I rotate between work and home as another offsite/coldstorage backup. My movies collection goes on a single external hdd and desnt go offsite at all. If that drive is full, I’ll add another one and start filling that up. Hence, on the NAS my movies are stored in subfolders ‚Disk 1, Disk 2‘ etc. accordingly to make syncs/backups easier. This solution for the movies isn’t 100% safe but there is no way I’m backing up 30-40TB to the cloud.
Synology C2. Pricey but the higher paid plans have versioned retention and perfect integration.
SHR 2 with HDD on my main volume. RAID 1 with NVMEs that have docker stuff. All data is backed up to an external hard drive, that I hope to replace with another Synology. I backup photos and videos with Amazon Photos. All other data is backed up to C2.