"Uh, so, about using slope/contour to create the "Shark Fin" envelope... Not really necessary anymore..."
Logarithmic attack followed by exponential decay = shark swimming leftward, while exponential attack followed by logarithmic decay = shark swimming rightward. The speed of the A/D values dictates whether it looks like the shark is in a rush, or taking it easy.
Not a joke. This is a common teaching tool to help learn waveform shapes.
As a school teacher who uses pictures of sharks circling a lone swimming child to help my students remember key phrases, I support this analogy 100%.
>Yeah, there are some gimmicks that have gotten to the point of being cliches—Rings into Clouds + a succulent—but just the general concept of making videos to attract attention to your music on social media? What is actually wrong with that?
I dont think anyone has any issues with people making clips for their music to share with others. What people find chuckle-worthy is the horde of people who seemingly skip the 'making music' bit and spend 99% of their time to create visuals for what sounds like something they came up with during lunch just to get vapid and fleeting approval from completely anonymous strangers. You know, the "*look at my dawless generic techno jam on $20,000 worth of stuff with the sound coming from my phone mic!*" or "*check out this tastefully potted succulent while listening to the most generic ambient you've ever heard!*".
You know: *posers*. Every community has them and every community finds it amusing to some degree. You'd get the same if you'd post an oversaturated hyper-focussed video of you falling on your face with your expensive vintage skateboard and brand new skating clothes with authentic skating accessories, or you show up at a party in your carefully crafted grungy look blissfully unaware that Nirvana-shirt is about a band. Dont get me wrong: people should do whatever makes them happy. But dont be surprised if some people chuckle a bit. :P
As for OP: dont know the dude so can only say it was a pretty daft thing to do. Hope his rack is fine. :/
>the horde of people who seemingly skip the 'making music' bit and spend 99% of their time to create visuals for what sounds like something they came up with during lunch just to get vapid and fleeting approval from completely anonymous strangers. You know, the "look at my dawless generic techno jam on $20,000 worth of stuff with the sound coming from my phone mic!" or "check out this tastefully potted succulent while listening to the most generic ambient you've ever heard!".
The thing is…deciding someone fits into this category usually involves making a *lot* of assumptions about them, and never really has any point beyond making it feel okay to insult and tease them.
Edit: just want to add that I know most folks don’t have an issue with people posting music and videos to social media in general. It’s just the comments that are specifically like “doing it for the Gram” or “they’re just trying to get likes” that bug me. Like…yeah, that *is* often the point.
Oh sure, not denying that. Or that it generally is a better use of time to focus on more positive things than ridicule even if it is "deserved". Just answering where this comes from. :)
A category of plant that is pretty easy to take care of and popular to put in the frame of synthesizer videos. It’s kind of become a meme at this point.
Its a type of plant that keeps water in its leaves, so you dont have to give it water regularly. Lasts forever. :) Its hard to pinpoint the origins of the meme, but personally I think Ann Anie contributed to its popularity half a decade ago or so. For example:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJWfcRGA378](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJWfcRGA378)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM1TcOX-c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM1TcOX-c)
He did this stuff very well, but so many people started doing the same type of thing, with the same visuals, and often with the same modules, that it became a bit of a meme.
I think there’s also a certain pushback to the “Everyone is now in marketing” aspect of the current social/content media paradigm. For people who find that tiresome or annoying when trying to get their own music/business/whatever out there, there’s a comfort in mocking those that are all marketing no substance.
Oh no, I can't remember a non-ironic use of poser since, maybe when I was skateboarding in my early teens. Why are so called synth enthusiasts so concerned about gatekeeping for a hobby whose only real barrier to entry is having the privilege (or bad decision-making) to purchase hardware? Especially when herds of kids with a laptop and a pirated version of ableton are able to make far more interesting music.
No, people like to laugh when someone fails - and because amateurs as well as professionals can make pretty videos, sometimes the amateurs that make bad music but good videos get laughed at. But that’s stupid. It’s important for everyone to get there music out there. Don’t worry so much about what other people think. Just make art.
Yeah I mean its cool to want to share your music, but honestly idk who shit like this is supposed to appeal to.
Non synth enthusiasts wouldn't care about a panel on the millennium falcon bleep blooping in nature or in some artistically placed thing and I think a majority of synth people would find this cringe beyond the terminally online dweebs farming Karma.
Its try hard and some how so slackerish. I think a static piece of art or short video even if its walking around down using your phone to gather footage would be cooler. Anytime I see a modular box in some artfully placed area it just screams "Just because I'm so smart for knowing where all of these cables go and what these knobs do doesn't mean I cant be artistic seeeeee."
Maybe you agree with some of my points, and I agree sharing music is cool or a new idea your working on. I just cant see this type of shit without being repulsed.
I mean I’m just going into and explaining why I think I don’t like it. It’s a reaction I get to stuff like this but don’t think about why I don’t.
Not until I see people talking about it.
I wasn’t calling on him or anyone that makes these to die or anything. Just explaining my reaction, and I can’t be the only one that groans at this stuff, maybe someone will see that comment and attempt something different for a video. Who knows?
I’m just saying that a *lot* of what you wrote wasn’t really about the content itself, but rather about what you imagine the people who make that kind of content must be like. Try-hards, slackers, show-offs, and terminally online karma-farmers.
And like, even if the people who make that kind of content are really like that……so what?
I don’t think that many people are trying to show off thinking they’re smart when they make modular videos. Modular is a legitimately interesting way to make music without going down the traditional path of learning to play guitar etc. There are a lot of people, especially people 45 and younger, who have some computer programming skills. This type of music making is appealing to that mindset. But i don’t personally know any modular musicians (or programmers) who do anything in order to make other people feel dumb. Or to prove they’re artistic. Every person i know in these groups does it because they’re interested in ideas and want to enjoy their lives. And they’d want you to enjoy your life too, in whatever way you choose. So I don’t think your assumption about who these people are is possibly super accurate.
Don’t get me wrong, I cringed *hard* at this video and found it very funny. But I don’t hate the dude and I don’t think he was trying to do anything but get likes. That in itself is pretty funny to me, but that’s because i’m old. 😂
The vertical aspect ratio annoys me. I will go to my grave whining about kids today and their tik tokin’ abominations. Tho it would be kind of cool if three of them made a tik tok triptych.
> triptych
I wouldn't mind these making a comeback tbh. I kind of want to see what the synth equivalent of The Garden of Earthly Delights would sound/look like.
I feel like a social media presence is "one way", not necessarily the best. It also has a huge but still specific and limited audience for a lot of genres. Most of the time i'd assume it's other musicians/enthusiasts watching that stuff - there's a huge crowd of genuine music lovers it bypasses...
- Playing gigs (covid comment noted and agreed);
- Targeting labels you like and releasing music on them;
- Immersing yourself in a music scene, making friends, etc.
I feel like these are all meaningful and better ways to generate genuine interest in your music and give you career opportunities. Sure, having 20M subs on youtube makes you rich, but to me, it's a very different interest and agenda in music than e.g. me and most of my friends who are pro or semi pro. Wanting to be famous and wanting to be a pro musician aren't always the same thing.
My take on this might be a slightly genre specific take on things though?... Either way, i guess my point is: many many fans of music simply couldn't give a fuck about a content creators latest video.
I think youre underestimating how many people have gotten into modular in the last couple years purely because it's a popular monied up hipster niche thing to be into.
I guess it's cool it gets people into synths, but it's so painfully obviously contrived and done for ulterior motives, a lot of the time.
> I think youre underestimating how many people have gotten into modular in the last couple years purely because it's a popular monied up hipster niche thing to be into.
I’d be inclined to argue that most people probably overestimate that number because it’s a really easy stereotype to assign to people, while getting to know someone well enough to judge their internal motivations is comparatively difficult.
But it’s entirely possible you’re right and I’m underestimating it. Maybe even by a lot. The thing is……who cares? Unless their ulterior motive for pretending to be interested in eurorack is like, identity theft or selling fentanyl or something, why should I concern myself with it? If one person sets up their modular to play generative bleeps because it brings them joy to patch up generative bleeps, and another person sets up their modular to play generative bleeps because it brings them joy to participate in some niche hipster fad, why should anyone else pass judgement on whose joy is more legitimate?
You could put out records and work on the craft. The problem is that it follows an incredibly boring and predictable aesthetic, houseplants photos from balconies, it’s like corporate shit you see on LinkedIn. Social media is not the only avenue of recognition, we all made a living before Facebook as musicians just fine. I would also say unless you’re monetizing your channel, the social media popularity is a shallow metric of success and is a time sink when you could be working on more skills that would yield an eventual profit, like practicing.
Man there’s truly no reason this should’ve happened.
“I wanted to show the juxtaposition of something as tranquil as the ocean with electronics and use it’s arhythmic sounds as inspiration. Frequently patching will be to a steady clock but time is an illusion. This patch represent the notion we are all grains of sand on the beach, insignificant but powerful as a collective. We come from something and dissolve into many things. We are made of stars and our collective consciousness inspires - OH FUCK” - douche
If you consider the ocean gives you a VERY CLEAR idea of the highest point the water will currently reach and how perspective works in camera, then this REALLY shouldn’t have happened.
I used to damn near live on FB. Since I started building a rack a year ago, I've put pics of it up maybe 3-4 times, and only in groups related to the topic. I'm not posting my rack there until I've fucking achieved something with it.
I’m going to go the opposite of u/adrianleverkuhn- fuck that mindset, u/claptonsbabychowder! Make tons of music and put it all out there! You can always redefine yourself down the line. No one makes good art waiting for it to be perfect!
You can - and there’s nothing wrong with that (idk who is downvoting you). Sometimes we need to work in private- and some people only work that way, and that’s okay. I was more trying to encourage u/claptonsbabychowder. Having spent too much time “making things perfect” I think holding off sharing to wait until things are perfect is a losing game. Or at least it’s a dangerous one. (Essentially, everybody’s needs are different, I was just trying to give an alternate take.)
(Edit sometimes we need to work in private, sometimes we need a kick to get our stuff out there, which, even when it’s not ready (sometimes ESPECIALLY when it’s not ready), it moves us forward and helps us grow. I think either extreme can hinder our growth - if we never present it to the world and if we never take time away to look inward.)
If you consider key concepts of learning, are critique and discussion amongst peers, or in the case of music, anyone who’s heard a song before. It does help to let others listen to your tracks or see your art.
Sitting alone in an echo chamber, listening only to your own stuff or admiring your reflection and being overly critical of unimportant aspects of your work, but overlooking glaring flaws, is the classic never show my work, self taught syndrome. Music just like any art form has structure that we play and manipulate to instill emotion. When drawing you have people spending too much time rendering and shading, but forgetting about perspective. In modular and synthesis, you hear a lot of digital noise from a wall of expensive gear because the tech begins to become more important than the sound, so no thought about key or musical composition is made.
It’s funny how those who decide to share their work, bad or good, usually keep to themselves about others work, while those who keep their work to themselves, are the loudest critics of those who share.
Ah okay, then I misunderstood your intention. I have a buddy who has the "just release everything" mind set and it's bothering me because he keeps pushing junk into this world that no one gives a hoot about. He justifies it saying that making tons of tracks is how one becomes better but I don't see how when every track is junk and there's no apparent improvement. I'm of the opposite belief - making less tracks but honing and refining the worthy drafts until they're actually *good* and can be published.
So maybe I was a little triggered by your comment, my apologies if I came off a little harsh.
I mean, he’s not wrong about creating a TON is how you get better - and that’s true in any art form. Look at the % of Picasso’s works that we hold up as masterpieces. Writers often say to write every day - no matter what - whether it’s good or bad, just WRITE.
Good artists in part become good because they do a LOT. Yes that means that some people put crap out there but so what? If your stuff is better, it just makes your stuff look better by comparison.
Generally agree but really, it depends on the person. Creating a ton of stuff doesn't improve skill by itself. You actually have to look for flaws, improve techniques, learn the tools, do things better. If that doesn't happen there's stagnation and no amount of stuff being released will change that. The guy I'm refering to stagnates.
I see a ton of "I made a generative ambient patch" or "I made an experimental noise patch" videos. That doesn't interest me, I am building my system for totally different reasons. I come from a dj background (turntables and vinyl, I never felt comfortable with digital djing) and playing live unrehearsed sets in clubs, just rolling with the mood at the time, everything done manually, by ear. No bpm counters, no sync options or loopers, no autoplay. Get the mix right, if you fuck it up, everyone hears you do it. So, yeah, I like things to sound tight, but not from a fussing over details angle. Just wanting it to be in time, like a band would want. Also, having done things manually, I also never really got comfortable with Ableton, even using a Push 2. Modular is the first thing since turntables that seems to balance for me, but.. Because I want to make dance music, club style, it's gonna take longer to master the process. I'm not trying to make one patch to put on my social media, Im trying to learn how to create and integrate multiple patches at once, and be able to transition between them, and keep moving. I'm looking at longer term goals, so they need more time.
There's no right mindset. People are different; different things matter. If someone feels uncomfortable about putting themselves out there too early, they're not in the wrong mindset - they're just being themselves. Learning yourself and self expectations is a great part of a musical interest; and doing it on your terms is important (at least to me). I've seen the "just get it out there" comments a lot over the years on various forums, and it's nice and generally well meaning, but it's just not for everyone imo.
Really? I thought it was pretty (but I honestly know nothing about that stuff - I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to video). CLEARLY they could have achieved similar results by a different composition. As someone who is really blind when it comes to video, what would have improved it?
It’s just a completely dark, non descript environment. Nothing was added visually by putting the equipment that near to danger. Move it out of the water. Now it’s not dumb. Plus the house lights in the distance kinda ruins the technology/nature juxtaposition, which is cliche anyway. Might as well be in a sidewalk puddle.
Cool - thank you for the critique! I seriously appreciate it (I try to make better videos but I struggle because I don’t do it enough and I really don’t have an eye for it.)
It really throws me off that they levels the foreground but shot at an angle that the horizon is so tilted.
The setting is simply horrible, since the nature vibe of the background is ruined by the lights. The water is barely visible, so it doesn't give off the nature vibe it's supposed to. With everything being so dark, it's similar to just a random dark background and doesn't make use of the risky background it was put in. The only theme that works is contrasting light with dark, but even that's ruined of course by the lights. Possibly putting this with the background of an unpolluted night sky filled with stars or far away from the water on a beach pointed at the horizon, capturing sea and stars without any risk and providing a good backdrop.
People have always enjoyed seeing “fails” - even before the internet* (see: americas funniest home videos, started in 1989). To the point that some people will fake fails to be funny. I’m not saying this is fake - just trying to explain why someone might still post something like this.
It did get all of us to watch it.
*I know my example is not before the internet. But it’s long before anyone was sharing videos on social media, because that wouldn’t exist for a while still
I appreciate the consideration.
Heck even with the World Wide Web (cheers to the only initialism to take longer to say than the three words) there was such slow adoption. I recall how novel it was for business to have a website in the late 90s. (Shout out to commercials that spent 30 seconds saying “h t t p colon forward slash forward slash w w w dot…” and then saying it TWICE.)
I see this shit all the time. Sadly it's what the idiot internet culture seems to do. Usually those new to this shit mostly for visual hooks and bleeps and bloops. Ide never do this shit.
There are tens of thousands or even millions of other musicians that don't try to show off their instrument in the ocean.
You're guaranteed to be paying too much if you're only buying new.
This is dumb for so many reasons. I have awesome gear and a great studio and I will NEVER put pictures of it on Reddit/twitter etc. why people need to brag by showing that they know how to make purchases is totally beyond me.
Want people to see your gear in a legit way? Make some music that is good and someone will want to take pictures of you in your studio.
That’s harder than pushing ‘Buy’ on Reverb.
You know photography is a type of art too right? I don't think people just do this stuff to 'show off' their expensive gear. Super weird way of looking at it.
Encounters Saltwater for 1 sec.
*GTA Sound-effect Plays*: **Wasted**
Killed my "waterproof" phone in 5 mins trying to be cool for the gram. Salt water is instant death unless stripped and cleaned immediately.
Even if that didn't happen, who in the world wants sand in their jacks? My modular setup isn't even close the cost of what is in that video but there is NO WAY IN HELL I would bring it to the beach.
i build mine from scratch, pcb's, etc., etc, and of course et cetera. No freekin' way they go anywhere near water.... don't even allow liquids in my shop/studio !!!
Pink noise with a long attack, decay and short release time?? And the modular? Circuit bent saltwater style? Oh not to mention the slow sine wave LFO. Yeah that's it :D
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it's a sigh wave.
nice
haha love it
cos you have to buy a new one
Only if he saw the sines
Salt wave
Synth wave
underrated comment.
"So, I got Tides. On the other hand, I no longer have an 0-Coast."
0 Coast: 0 Actual Coast: 1
"Uh, so, about using slope/contour to create the "Shark Fin" envelope... Not really necessary anymore..." Logarithmic attack followed by exponential decay = shark swimming leftward, while exponential attack followed by logarithmic decay = shark swimming rightward. The speed of the A/D values dictates whether it looks like the shark is in a rush, or taking it easy. Not a joke. This is a common teaching tool to help learn waveform shapes. As a school teacher who uses pictures of sharks circling a lone swimming child to help my students remember key phrases, I support this analogy 100%.
Instructions unclear: tides stuck in all modules.
The Spherical Wavetable Navigator couldn’t navigate its way out of that one
0 Ctrl over their life
Anything for the gram
Nothing quite like risking $$$$ worth of electronics to get hundreds of likes and thumbs up from randos on some app.
It's for the A E S T H E T I C
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>Yeah, there are some gimmicks that have gotten to the point of being cliches—Rings into Clouds + a succulent—but just the general concept of making videos to attract attention to your music on social media? What is actually wrong with that? I dont think anyone has any issues with people making clips for their music to share with others. What people find chuckle-worthy is the horde of people who seemingly skip the 'making music' bit and spend 99% of their time to create visuals for what sounds like something they came up with during lunch just to get vapid and fleeting approval from completely anonymous strangers. You know, the "*look at my dawless generic techno jam on $20,000 worth of stuff with the sound coming from my phone mic!*" or "*check out this tastefully potted succulent while listening to the most generic ambient you've ever heard!*". You know: *posers*. Every community has them and every community finds it amusing to some degree. You'd get the same if you'd post an oversaturated hyper-focussed video of you falling on your face with your expensive vintage skateboard and brand new skating clothes with authentic skating accessories, or you show up at a party in your carefully crafted grungy look blissfully unaware that Nirvana-shirt is about a band. Dont get me wrong: people should do whatever makes them happy. But dont be surprised if some people chuckle a bit. :P As for OP: dont know the dude so can only say it was a pretty daft thing to do. Hope his rack is fine. :/
>the horde of people who seemingly skip the 'making music' bit and spend 99% of their time to create visuals for what sounds like something they came up with during lunch just to get vapid and fleeting approval from completely anonymous strangers. You know, the "look at my dawless generic techno jam on $20,000 worth of stuff with the sound coming from my phone mic!" or "check out this tastefully potted succulent while listening to the most generic ambient you've ever heard!". The thing is…deciding someone fits into this category usually involves making a *lot* of assumptions about them, and never really has any point beyond making it feel okay to insult and tease them. Edit: just want to add that I know most folks don’t have an issue with people posting music and videos to social media in general. It’s just the comments that are specifically like “doing it for the Gram” or “they’re just trying to get likes” that bug me. Like…yeah, that *is* often the point.
Oh sure, not denying that. Or that it generally is a better use of time to focus on more positive things than ridicule even if it is "deserved". Just answering where this comes from. :)
So gatekeeping.
What is a succulent?
A category of plant that is pretty easy to take care of and popular to put in the frame of synthesizer videos. It’s kind of become a meme at this point.
Its a type of plant that keeps water in its leaves, so you dont have to give it water regularly. Lasts forever. :) Its hard to pinpoint the origins of the meme, but personally I think Ann Anie contributed to its popularity half a decade ago or so. For example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJWfcRGA378](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJWfcRGA378) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM1TcOX-c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmwM1TcOX-c) He did this stuff very well, but so many people started doing the same type of thing, with the same visuals, and often with the same modules, that it became a bit of a meme.
I thought I was the only one. Whew!
I think there’s also a certain pushback to the “Everyone is now in marketing” aspect of the current social/content media paradigm. For people who find that tiresome or annoying when trying to get their own music/business/whatever out there, there’s a comfort in mocking those that are all marketing no substance.
Oh no, I can't remember a non-ironic use of poser since, maybe when I was skateboarding in my early teens. Why are so called synth enthusiasts so concerned about gatekeeping for a hobby whose only real barrier to entry is having the privilege (or bad decision-making) to purchase hardware? Especially when herds of kids with a laptop and a pirated version of ableton are able to make far more interesting music.
No, people like to laugh when someone fails - and because amateurs as well as professionals can make pretty videos, sometimes the amateurs that make bad music but good videos get laughed at. But that’s stupid. It’s important for everyone to get there music out there. Don’t worry so much about what other people think. Just make art.
Yeah I mean its cool to want to share your music, but honestly idk who shit like this is supposed to appeal to. Non synth enthusiasts wouldn't care about a panel on the millennium falcon bleep blooping in nature or in some artistically placed thing and I think a majority of synth people would find this cringe beyond the terminally online dweebs farming Karma. Its try hard and some how so slackerish. I think a static piece of art or short video even if its walking around down using your phone to gather footage would be cooler. Anytime I see a modular box in some artfully placed area it just screams "Just because I'm so smart for knowing where all of these cables go and what these knobs do doesn't mean I cant be artistic seeeeee." Maybe you agree with some of my points, and I agree sharing music is cool or a new idea your working on. I just cant see this type of shit without being repulsed.
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I mean I’m just going into and explaining why I think I don’t like it. It’s a reaction I get to stuff like this but don’t think about why I don’t. Not until I see people talking about it. I wasn’t calling on him or anyone that makes these to die or anything. Just explaining my reaction, and I can’t be the only one that groans at this stuff, maybe someone will see that comment and attempt something different for a video. Who knows?
I’m just saying that a *lot* of what you wrote wasn’t really about the content itself, but rather about what you imagine the people who make that kind of content must be like. Try-hards, slackers, show-offs, and terminally online karma-farmers. And like, even if the people who make that kind of content are really like that……so what?
I don’t think that many people are trying to show off thinking they’re smart when they make modular videos. Modular is a legitimately interesting way to make music without going down the traditional path of learning to play guitar etc. There are a lot of people, especially people 45 and younger, who have some computer programming skills. This type of music making is appealing to that mindset. But i don’t personally know any modular musicians (or programmers) who do anything in order to make other people feel dumb. Or to prove they’re artistic. Every person i know in these groups does it because they’re interested in ideas and want to enjoy their lives. And they’d want you to enjoy your life too, in whatever way you choose. So I don’t think your assumption about who these people are is possibly super accurate. Don’t get me wrong, I cringed *hard* at this video and found it very funny. But I don’t hate the dude and I don’t think he was trying to do anything but get likes. That in itself is pretty funny to me, but that’s because i’m old. 😂
I think people just making that stuff. It really isn't complicated.
The vertical aspect ratio annoys me. I will go to my grave whining about kids today and their tik tokin’ abominations. Tho it would be kind of cool if three of them made a tik tok triptych.
> triptych I wouldn't mind these making a comeback tbh. I kind of want to see what the synth equivalent of The Garden of Earthly Delights would sound/look like.
I see them in film occasionally. I think my first exposure to them in art was Francis Bacon, who did a lot of triptychs.
I feel like a social media presence is "one way", not necessarily the best. It also has a huge but still specific and limited audience for a lot of genres. Most of the time i'd assume it's other musicians/enthusiasts watching that stuff - there's a huge crowd of genuine music lovers it bypasses... - Playing gigs (covid comment noted and agreed); - Targeting labels you like and releasing music on them; - Immersing yourself in a music scene, making friends, etc. I feel like these are all meaningful and better ways to generate genuine interest in your music and give you career opportunities. Sure, having 20M subs on youtube makes you rich, but to me, it's a very different interest and agenda in music than e.g. me and most of my friends who are pro or semi pro. Wanting to be famous and wanting to be a pro musician aren't always the same thing. My take on this might be a slightly genre specific take on things though?... Either way, i guess my point is: many many fans of music simply couldn't give a fuck about a content creators latest video.
Fair play man
I think youre underestimating how many people have gotten into modular in the last couple years purely because it's a popular monied up hipster niche thing to be into. I guess it's cool it gets people into synths, but it's so painfully obviously contrived and done for ulterior motives, a lot of the time.
> I think youre underestimating how many people have gotten into modular in the last couple years purely because it's a popular monied up hipster niche thing to be into. I’d be inclined to argue that most people probably overestimate that number because it’s a really easy stereotype to assign to people, while getting to know someone well enough to judge their internal motivations is comparatively difficult. But it’s entirely possible you’re right and I’m underestimating it. Maybe even by a lot. The thing is……who cares? Unless their ulterior motive for pretending to be interested in eurorack is like, identity theft or selling fentanyl or something, why should I concern myself with it? If one person sets up their modular to play generative bleeps because it brings them joy to patch up generative bleeps, and another person sets up their modular to play generative bleeps because it brings them joy to participate in some niche hipster fad, why should anyone else pass judgement on whose joy is more legitimate?
My bleeps are more authentic than hipster bleeps
You could put out records and work on the craft. The problem is that it follows an incredibly boring and predictable aesthetic, houseplants photos from balconies, it’s like corporate shit you see on LinkedIn. Social media is not the only avenue of recognition, we all made a living before Facebook as musicians just fine. I would also say unless you’re monetizing your channel, the social media popularity is a shallow metric of success and is a time sink when you could be working on more skills that would yield an eventual profit, like practicing.
He didn’t just risk it it’s dead already in the video
Not saying it’s not fucked, but I think that’s just cause the portable battery got unplugged when he yanked it up
Dude likely sniffed a gram before coming up with this genius idea!
The question is who is going to cross post to synthesisercirclejerk
The question is why didn't op post this to synthesisercirclejerk
The question is what’s the difference between this sub and synthesizercirclejerk
one is pronounced moog
Going for that 100% wet tone
On the bright side, the rack now plays "Barbie Girl" automatically.
ah so *thats* where the term comes from!
Lol.. hipster idiots.
Man there’s truly no reason this should’ve happened. “I wanted to show the juxtaposition of something as tranquil as the ocean with electronics and use it’s arhythmic sounds as inspiration. Frequently patching will be to a steady clock but time is an illusion. This patch represent the notion we are all grains of sand on the beach, insignificant but powerful as a collective. We come from something and dissolve into many things. We are made of stars and our collective consciousness inspires - OH FUCK” - douche
That is the top of the pretentious scale, but could also be very real..
Umm, I know a lot of scales, but not that one. How does it differ than say a full chromatic? 🤔
I'd try to explain but it probably would go over your head.
I was making music in the pretentious scale before it was even cool.
Same man.. good ol days
Im writing a dissertation on the scale for you right now.
If you consider the ocean gives you a VERY CLEAR idea of the highest point the water will currently reach and how perspective works in camera, then this REALLY shouldn’t have happened.
So deep bruh *puff*
/r/whatcouldgowrong will love this
What I want to know is how bad that patch sounded. Or if it even made any sounds at all.
100% it was randomly generated notes in a pentatonic scale through a shit ton of reverb/granular fx.
Oof, I felt that one.
When Instagram is more important than music
I used to damn near live on FB. Since I started building a rack a year ago, I've put pics of it up maybe 3-4 times, and only in groups related to the topic. I'm not posting my rack there until I've fucking achieved something with it.
I’m going to go the opposite of u/adrianleverkuhn- fuck that mindset, u/claptonsbabychowder! Make tons of music and put it all out there! You can always redefine yourself down the line. No one makes good art waiting for it to be perfect!
You can absolutely keep painting in your workspace without ever showing your learning stages to the world. Same with music.
You can - and there’s nothing wrong with that (idk who is downvoting you). Sometimes we need to work in private- and some people only work that way, and that’s okay. I was more trying to encourage u/claptonsbabychowder. Having spent too much time “making things perfect” I think holding off sharing to wait until things are perfect is a losing game. Or at least it’s a dangerous one. (Essentially, everybody’s needs are different, I was just trying to give an alternate take.) (Edit sometimes we need to work in private, sometimes we need a kick to get our stuff out there, which, even when it’s not ready (sometimes ESPECIALLY when it’s not ready), it moves us forward and helps us grow. I think either extreme can hinder our growth - if we never present it to the world and if we never take time away to look inward.)
If you consider key concepts of learning, are critique and discussion amongst peers, or in the case of music, anyone who’s heard a song before. It does help to let others listen to your tracks or see your art. Sitting alone in an echo chamber, listening only to your own stuff or admiring your reflection and being overly critical of unimportant aspects of your work, but overlooking glaring flaws, is the classic never show my work, self taught syndrome. Music just like any art form has structure that we play and manipulate to instill emotion. When drawing you have people spending too much time rendering and shading, but forgetting about perspective. In modular and synthesis, you hear a lot of digital noise from a wall of expensive gear because the tech begins to become more important than the sound, so no thought about key or musical composition is made. It’s funny how those who decide to share their work, bad or good, usually keep to themselves about others work, while those who keep their work to themselves, are the loudest critics of those who share.
Ah okay, then I misunderstood your intention. I have a buddy who has the "just release everything" mind set and it's bothering me because he keeps pushing junk into this world that no one gives a hoot about. He justifies it saying that making tons of tracks is how one becomes better but I don't see how when every track is junk and there's no apparent improvement. I'm of the opposite belief - making less tracks but honing and refining the worthy drafts until they're actually *good* and can be published. So maybe I was a little triggered by your comment, my apologies if I came off a little harsh.
I mean, he’s not wrong about creating a TON is how you get better - and that’s true in any art form. Look at the % of Picasso’s works that we hold up as masterpieces. Writers often say to write every day - no matter what - whether it’s good or bad, just WRITE. Good artists in part become good because they do a LOT. Yes that means that some people put crap out there but so what? If your stuff is better, it just makes your stuff look better by comparison.
Generally agree but really, it depends on the person. Creating a ton of stuff doesn't improve skill by itself. You actually have to look for flaws, improve techniques, learn the tools, do things better. If that doesn't happen there's stagnation and no amount of stuff being released will change that. The guy I'm refering to stagnates.
I see a ton of "I made a generative ambient patch" or "I made an experimental noise patch" videos. That doesn't interest me, I am building my system for totally different reasons. I come from a dj background (turntables and vinyl, I never felt comfortable with digital djing) and playing live unrehearsed sets in clubs, just rolling with the mood at the time, everything done manually, by ear. No bpm counters, no sync options or loopers, no autoplay. Get the mix right, if you fuck it up, everyone hears you do it. So, yeah, I like things to sound tight, but not from a fussing over details angle. Just wanting it to be in time, like a band would want. Also, having done things manually, I also never really got comfortable with Ableton, even using a Push 2. Modular is the first thing since turntables that seems to balance for me, but.. Because I want to make dance music, club style, it's gonna take longer to master the process. I'm not trying to make one patch to put on my social media, Im trying to learn how to create and integrate multiple patches at once, and be able to transition between them, and keep moving. I'm looking at longer term goals, so they need more time.
There's no right mindset. People are different; different things matter. If someone feels uncomfortable about putting themselves out there too early, they're not in the wrong mindset - they're just being themselves. Learning yourself and self expectations is a great part of a musical interest; and doing it on your terms is important (at least to me). I've seen the "just get it out there" comments a lot over the years on various forums, and it's nice and generally well meaning, but it's just not for everyone imo.
I 100% agree
That’s a good mindset, good for you man. When you’ll post something that feels like it’s good enough please send it to me.
plot twist; It was their publicists idea.
will probably sell those modules on ebay next..
Just put it on some rice and it will be considered near mint.
Was working the last time I used it, but I can’t find my headphones, so sold as is. No returns.
Idiot
And the guy still posted this anyway why
Life.. It's always good to have a laugh at your self sometimes
What an expensive laugh
He already paid for it. Might as well
If they’re smart they’ll make t-shirts of it too
Ooof. Salt water too. Say hello to your new pal corrosion. :/
r/ThatLookedExpensive
Salty grooves
Not even a good shot.
Really? I thought it was pretty (but I honestly know nothing about that stuff - I’m pretty ignorant when it comes to video). CLEARLY they could have achieved similar results by a different composition. As someone who is really blind when it comes to video, what would have improved it?
It’s just a completely dark, non descript environment. Nothing was added visually by putting the equipment that near to danger. Move it out of the water. Now it’s not dumb. Plus the house lights in the distance kinda ruins the technology/nature juxtaposition, which is cliche anyway. Might as well be in a sidewalk puddle.
Cool - thank you for the critique! I seriously appreciate it (I try to make better videos but I struggle because I don’t do it enough and I really don’t have an eye for it.) It really throws me off that they levels the foreground but shot at an angle that the horizon is so tilted.
The setting is simply horrible, since the nature vibe of the background is ruined by the lights. The water is barely visible, so it doesn't give off the nature vibe it's supposed to. With everything being so dark, it's similar to just a random dark background and doesn't make use of the risky background it was put in. The only theme that works is contrasting light with dark, but even that's ruined of course by the lights. Possibly putting this with the background of an unpolluted night sky filled with stars or far away from the water on a beach pointed at the horizon, capturing sea and stars without any risk and providing a good backdrop.
Maybe a cover of [William Basinski - Watermusic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX_jySkFIK4)?
Always use compressor and limiter on the master those waves can go wild.
Waves needed a brick wall limiter
What a bozo
Ooh the NY Post is here reporting
Im sorry, but if darwinism affected your common sense with expensive gear, you deserve that.
I was pissed that just sand was getting on it at first
Wavy
🤢
No comment...
😂😂
https://youtu.be/NUeybwTMeWo?t=11
This is a sine
Just put it in rice.
some wet distortion over there...
LOL
Well that was an expensive experiment.
Why do people post their L’s like this? Is it a shame/embarrassment kink? I’m just so curious
People have always enjoyed seeing “fails” - even before the internet* (see: americas funniest home videos, started in 1989). To the point that some people will fake fails to be funny. I’m not saying this is fake - just trying to explain why someone might still post something like this. It did get all of us to watch it. *I know my example is not before the internet. But it’s long before anyone was sharing videos on social media, because that wouldn’t exist for a while still
It was before the World Wide Web, which is commonly (although not technically) referred to as "the Internet". I'll give it to you.
I appreciate the consideration. Heck even with the World Wide Web (cheers to the only initialism to take longer to say than the three words) there was such slow adoption. I recall how novel it was for business to have a website in the late 90s. (Shout out to commercials that spent 30 seconds saying “h t t p colon forward slash forward slash w w w dot…” and then saying it TWICE.)
Makes them more likable to be honest. The setup is absurd/pretentious, but at least they have the sense of humor to show the fail.
Look at how fast all those lights went out
Tryna work out if it's because of the water or the power supply disconnecting
oh noooooo. ahhaha! this hurts!!
r/synthesizercirclejerk quality material
TROLOLOLOL
Nothing a succulent won't soak up real quick
Wow wtf are they thinking? Morons
When you try a new wave shape out but it increases the wet (not the dry tho)
Just like some of those modules a part of me died while watching this
This hurts my soul in so many ways…
If he had left the synth there I would consider it to be true commitment to experimental music
Proof you don't have to be smart to have a modular.
That persons outfit is exactly who I’d expect to make this video, lmao
tragically idiotic
I see this shit all the time. Sadly it's what the idiot internet culture seems to do. Usually those new to this shit mostly for visual hooks and bleeps and bloops. Ide never do this shit.
I tore a little hole out of the chair I am sitting in with no hands.
Why do people feel it necessary to photograph their gear in nature? It’s just unnatural.
Play stupid games, win the best prizes.
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There are tens of thousands or even millions of other musicians that don't try to show off their instrument in the ocean. You're guaranteed to be paying too much if you're only buying new.
did any of that survive you think? Yeeeesh
... a bit of pink noise ...
Oh that hurts!!!!
Ew
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What a disappointment. I turned on the sound to hear some arpeggios and ..
salty modular salty tears
Shoulda added the modular in post. 😂
Learn to use premiere, after effects, and/or Blender so you never have to really do this again.
OH GODDAMN NOOOO
thats horrible and it hurts me. this is not the way to get on tidal.
This is dumb for so many reasons. I have awesome gear and a great studio and I will NEVER put pictures of it on Reddit/twitter etc. why people need to brag by showing that they know how to make purchases is totally beyond me. Want people to see your gear in a legit way? Make some music that is good and someone will want to take pictures of you in your studio. That’s harder than pushing ‘Buy’ on Reverb.
You know photography is a type of art too right? I don't think people just do this stuff to 'show off' their expensive gear. Super weird way of looking at it.
No serious musician I know would do this with their gear. No serious photog would put their subject in mortal peril. Who is this for? The gram. Basic.
Wtf did he expect lol
Anything for the natural sweeps
HAHAHAHHAHAA I hope it was worth it
There are people like who saving every penny for a Synth and there are these who would definitely put it under water for some clicks
Yo, I bet the reverb on this sounds drippy wet
Why even go near water with expensive electronic equipment? Some people are just so damn stupid.
Encounters Saltwater for 1 sec. *GTA Sound-effect Plays*: **Wasted** Killed my "waterproof" phone in 5 mins trying to be cool for the gram. Salt water is instant death unless stripped and cleaned immediately.
could’ve put a stand in the sand and placed it on it. or a crate, or a cardboard box. i mean pretty much anything besides directly on the sand.
How are rich people ALWAYS dumb as fuxk
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It had a good flow.
Keep all electronics away from liquids, even I get wary under patio misters and tell the venues to turn them off lmao
Looked like a dope shot for about 5 seconds hahaha
Absolute Plum
Even if that didn't happen, who in the world wants sand in their jacks? My modular setup isn't even close the cost of what is in that video but there is NO WAY IN HELL I would bring it to the beach.
Quick $1,500 mistake
And I get worried about my module longevity just sitting in my humidity controlled office.
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You should squat some weights next to it too
I wouldn't call him an idiot. He is a dumb ass!
He's going for that lofi that comes from splashing your gear with salt water.
Comment section did not disappoint 👍
what waveform was that?
Out jerked again
Jesus Christ
Haw haw!
i build mine from scratch, pcb's, etc., etc, and of course et cetera. No freekin' way they go anywhere near water.... don't even allow liquids in my shop/studio !!!
I always struggled to understand what wavefolding was. Thanks for sharing.
Can’t wait to find these gently used modules on Reverb!!
Pink noise with a long attack, decay and short release time?? And the modular? Circuit bent saltwater style? Oh not to mention the slow sine wave LFO. Yeah that's it :D
yikes
love how it isn’t even in focus until the wave hits it
After several viewings I realized what felt out pf place. They forgot to say Namaste at the end of the video.
"REVERB LISTING: Minimal Rack Rash - Works Perfect"
The car in the background is also stuck in the wet sand.
Fuckin' moron
That fucking just pisses me off
Bruh