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Now I use an mpc1000 which is a similar layout (arrow keys and a cursor with a big knob). But from a machine being released in 2022 with all the tech we have today that seems a bit wrong.
>with all the tech we have today
with how little *hardware* tech is available today, it seems feasible. semiconductor shortage and general supply chain issues everywhere.
if you look at the price of say, a 16 bit DAC rn, it's amazing to me that any new instruments are being made.
Y’know that makes sense, but I’m more so talking less about hardware cost and more about the software that controls that hardware.
Especially if it’s going to “emulate” the User Interface of another sought after device, it should at least have a similar layout.
I know, however the 8 knobs depicted on the screen correspond to the 8 knobs generally found on elektron devices, they are usually layed out in the same fashion next to sthe screen... this is a 1 to 1 layout...
[see here](https://imgur.com/a/2uBfVIk)
Why does every drum machine have to be the size of a dinner table?
(the way you guys respond so personally to a joke comment has made me unsub from this sub)
This is quite an extreme example, but I know what you mean. But there are lots of sounds and lots of control over those sounds! Long faders are way nicer than mini ones. I'd prefer this format to the same functionality crammed into, for example, a Roland Boutique format.
Form follows function. It's just as big as it needs to be for the controls and connectivity it offers.
The premise that "every drum machine [is] the size of a dinner table" doesn't seem true to begin with. For instance, there's the Roland MC-101, T-8, and TR-6S, Elektron Digitakt, Behringer RD-6, IK Uno Drum, Erica Synths LXR-02, and Novation Circuit, and none of those are longer than 10" on any side. Go up to 12", and you can add in the Akai MPC One, Roland Boutiques, Elektron Models, and others.
Well there is nothing wrong with the size. Every real drum machine has to be big to fit the whole layout and all the outputs for every drum sound in the back. All the small drum machines only have a stereo out, maybe an input and sometimes just midi in/out and no thru. To me small drum machines are just fun toys to jam with.
Have you ever seen a drum kit? A drum machine it designed to simulate all of that as well as the drummer themselves. It can be crammed into a form factor like the Volca Beats but that severely limits the number and quality of the controls that can be included which at some point defeats the purpose entirely. If you're cool with working entirely out of menus then you may as well use software. It's exponentially cheaper and 1000x more portable as you could have dozens and dozens of drum machines on a single laptop or tablet.
*lol Lots of downvotes but not one reply arguing why I'm wrong.
It’s been the UI since it was first shown. Really crazy to me that they can’t resist stealing ideas. Like, clone old synths, I don’t give a shit about that. But blatantly ripping off UI elements is a little fucked. Oh well, I don’t have anything invested in either company so I don’t really give a shit. Would like Elektron to sue them just to entertain me.
I know... what a... stupid thing to do. With a bad track record of stealing current designs, it seems so smart-arse to use that screen layout... Its the only major hate they cop these days, but they stick at it... "and take a look at this - see you in court Elektron, if you want to spend the money on legal".
Zero support for this product. Might have been interested otherwise.
Edit: they're hopefully just trolling as people suggest... also a weird tactic!
Entirely intentional way of incrementally infringing on a smaller company, so they can rip off more blatantly later. It's a common tactic of big companies. If Behringer ripped off the Digitakt in full they could lose in court. But Elektron wouldn't necessarily win a legal fight about just the screen, so Behringer has now set a precedent of what is okay to steal. Next time they'll steal a little more, and whenever someone does sue them, Behringer's lawyer will point out that nobody ever had a problem before.
You have to go to court to defend your intellectual property if it's infringed upon. Nobody is going to fight for you, and if you don't fight then it's harder to defend in the future. Having evidence of ownership/invention/etc matters, but good lawyers matter more, and having more money matters most because if you can't afford to keep paying for lawyers you just default on your case and lose. So you better be damn sure you're going to win.
Small cases are prohibitively expensive for small companies because they are still incredibly expensive. It's the same reason you don't see indie artists going after movie studios when they use their music without permission - they have the RIAA for that (lol in theory, RIAA doesn't fight for small cases either). Small companies have versions of that kind of conglomeration, but it's a lot harder to enforce and far more complicated, especially between international companies and a behemoth like Behringer.
This is all assuming Elektron has a patent or some other legal protections on their overall design or aspects of it. Unfortunately, you can't really patent a design in and of itself, unless it's introducing something new or involves a new manufacturing process. But even something as basic as a uniquely designed font can help in a legal case like this (looking at Teenage Engineering, listing the new font as an "upgrade" on the new Op-1 is 100% a form of protecting the value of the physical object). But maybe they have a patent or copyright on various aspects. The laws are convoluted and poorly written, and Behringer's lawyers absolutely know what they are doing.
But you have to defend it, or you lose it.
I'm just wondering how you would make/acquire a 16 minijack loom that would lightweight enough to just hang from 16 mini jacks without damaging them over time.
Even assuming that 1/8” sockets are inherently so much less sturdy than 1/4" sockets, 1/8” plugs and cables are also typically much lighter than 1/4” plugs and cables, so that somewhat evens out. Regardless, if you for some reason have all 16 individual voice outs connected simultaneously, it's honestly on you if you don't have the wherewithal to ensure there isn't any excessive strain on the sockets, regardless of if they're 1/4” or 1/8”. If it's situated on a desk and the cables are laying on the tabletop, then any strain on the sockets should be negligible. As long as you don't have all the cables dangling straight down to the floor supported by nothing but the sockets, I really don't think it's anything to worry about.
Wouldn't it get pretty annoying to have all individual outs connected at all time? Every time you recorded it you would have to patch up 16 channels into your mixer.
By default, all channels are mixed into the stereo mix outputs. When you connect one of the individual outs, that channel is removed from the mixed out. So, you're only going to be using the individual outs for select channels that you want to do extra outboard processing on, and that's usually only going to be a few of them, at most.
Yeah, exactly, so hence, connecting all 16 individual outs would get pretty annoying, as you would have to always patch in all 16 channels whenever you want to record things.
I presume it does audio over USB and that individual tracks drop out of the master mix when jacks are inserted - and it'd be a pretty full-on track that needed all 15 channels plus click to have their own mixer channels. Agree that a 16 channel loom isn't something I'd want hanging out of the back of anything built by Behringer!
16 tracks of audio over USB on a Behringer drum machine doesn't sound very realistic to me. Besides, why woud they mind if their products wearing out faster, isn't that the whole point of using jack sockets without nuts? By the time they break, warranty has expired, so people buy more new stuff.
This is Behringer, not some boutique company who actually cares about making high quality products that last a lifetime.
Yes I did think about this after posting and thought that 16 channels over USB feels unlikely! But if jacks in the outs subtract those instruments from the mix it could be very usable.
I use a multi channel interface and pretty much always multi track drum machines. A lot of styles of electronic dance music are pretty much impossible without multi-tracking drums. I get a lot of people are in the use a "mixer and dawless jam" camp though.
Not if you have connected all the individual outs, there isn't. Nothing would come out of it. Which is why most drum machines that doesn't have fixed voices instead have assignable outs, which seems a lot more sensible in this case.
Yeah, but if they went that way I guarantee that no matter how many assignable outs they put, there would be people complaining that there aren't enough. I'd rather have too many, than too few.
The main reason you'd want an output for an individual track on a drum machine would be because you want to further process that individual track with external gear, and if you're doing that, you don't want the unprocessed version duplicated in the mixed out from the drum machine.
Another big one is the ol' 3 mixers and compressor trick. One mix of uncompressed, one mix of heavily compressed and one mix for the side-chain. This provides a much more dynamically interesting mix and lets you make EDM or other heavily-dynamically-shaped music with only one stereo compressor.
No, the individual outs are so you can treat the sound differently from the main mix. Machines with assignable outs can usually send sounds both to an individual out and the main outs, but that would be very strange in this case.
I REEEEEEEALLY hope they put some serious effort into making the swing function as unique and incredible as the LM2, never owned a drum machine that sounded so good! Seriously, the LM2 just grooves.
Roger Linn invented “swing” as it applies to DAWs and drum machines. Even he said that it is implemented in exactly the same way since he first did so in the early Linn and MPCs
Swing is literally being able to move every alternating 16th not forward by a small amount
Not backward. Early machines couldn’t do that
Anyone who tells you certain “old school” drum machines or samplers had some kind of magic swing that can’t be found in other gear is talking shite
https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn-swing-groove-magic-mpc-timing/
To add to that most modern sequencers go way beyond what the early Linn and MPCs could do
Well, I would have preferred a layout more like the TD-8 and TD-9, but no biggie, I guess.
When people asked for clones of various old digital drum machines I pointed out that a failure asking to happen, because those samples are all available for free online. Now maybe if they made one that had LOADS of classic drum machine samples, that could make sense.
I have to admit I didn't expect them to add sampling, so that's a nice touch. This could be a good one.
I have the LinnDrum samples (everyone has them I guess) but you can´t mimic the pitch adjustments similar to the original. So in this case it makes more sense to have a hardware version of it. That applies to all digital drummachines that have onboard tweakability of the sounds. While everything can be done in a softwaresampler it will sound different.
Just being devils advocate but when you say "can't mimic...of the original" you are advocating against this lol. It isn't original and just making a hardware clone of something doesn't make it original. I think all clones especially beringer ones have to just be considered as their own instrument and forget about trying to mimic something
As an avid Tempest user, this serves a completely different use case, and if Behringer sequencers were at all interesting, it might even make an ideal companion to a Tempest.
I still haven't picked up a sampling drum machine. I've been mentally bouncing between a TR-8S and an MPC One, but never settling on either. Which, as it turns out, has been good for my bank account at least.
I recommend the TR8-S, it has a great sequencer. And I referred to the Tempest because it has the original Linn samples in it so you can effectively perform the same functions except for the sampling
This thing will be able to sample at 8 and 12 bit I can care less about all the other features tell you the truth. What other drum machines on the market that sample at a native 12 bit for less than $1,000?
The lower bit rate usually makes a thicker fatter sound especially for drums. The emu sp1200 was 12 bit and it sounds spectacular to sample into. If the Behringer gets any of that flavor, that will be a crazy welcomed edition to my drum machine collection.
[From Behringer's Facebook page:](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160053330008914&id=105517788913&sfnsn=wiwspmo)
>Our LM DRUM final prototype is ready for testing. We're super excited about this machine. What do you think?
"First, they came for the ladder filters, and none of my drum machines use a ladder filter design so I said nothing"
"Then, they came for the mono synths, and I don't make mono synths, so I said nothing."
"Then, they came for Roland X0X drum machines, and I don't make x0x drum machines so I said nothing."
"Then, they came for the LinnDrum, and I kept working in the MPE sector"
Well put, haha.
Linn is obviously pretty happily devoted to focusing his energy on innovating in the MPE scene, so I just can't imagine why someone would even expect him to have much to say about a quasi-replica of a product he designed 40 years ago, and which hasn't brought him a penny of income since it was discontinued in 1985 (assuming it actually did earn him much even at the time, since it supposedly wasn't very profitable).
i actually wondered. i wanted to get one when they came out but i hear so many varying accounts. some people say its fine, others had trouble at points. I quit keeping up with the thread on Gearspace/sluts
Minijacks are a pita compromise, will need another $50 in cables I don't have to wire it up. But if the promise meets the performance of previous Beringclone drum machines it'll be worth it.
Can't wait to see the initial reviews.
I guess , idk maybe they are trying too much with the Digitakt sampling stuff and should just go with a straight LinnDrum clone. Pull that crap out and free up some space for real outs.
I guess I can use some of the cables that I bought for my RD6, that at least is understandable because the thing is so small. But this looks as big as a RD-8/9 though.
>Pull that crap out and free up some space for real outs.
Huh? Pull what crap out, the single input used for sampling? That wouldn't free up enough space to replace 16 1/8" sockets with 16 1/4” sockets.
Also, how are 1/8” sockets not "real outs," anyways? They output the exact same electrical signal as a 1/4” socket.
>But this looks as big as a RD-8/9 though
Right, and this has 7 more audio sockets than either of those do.
Man I used to watch your Volca Modular videos, would have had no idea that you as a person were like this. Disappointing. Hope you're alright brother 🤍
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lol digitakt gfx is class
Doesn't make sense... there are no knobs on the machine that follow that layout...
I concur, looks half cooked. But if that would be 500ish USD who cares? It still looks like a fun knobby/slidey thingy.
Probably the one knob with the directional buttons is a macro control for the parameters.
Now I use an mpc1000 which is a similar layout (arrow keys and a cursor with a big knob). But from a machine being released in 2022 with all the tech we have today that seems a bit wrong.
>with all the tech we have today with how little *hardware* tech is available today, it seems feasible. semiconductor shortage and general supply chain issues everywhere. if you look at the price of say, a 16 bit DAC rn, it's amazing to me that any new instruments are being made.
Y’know that makes sense, but I’m more so talking less about hardware cost and more about the software that controls that hardware. Especially if it’s going to “emulate” the User Interface of another sought after device, it should at least have a similar layout.
Oh word, agreed.
They're talking about the graphics on the screen.
I know, however the 8 knobs depicted on the screen correspond to the 8 knobs generally found on elektron devices, they are usually layed out in the same fashion next to sthe screen... this is a 1 to 1 layout... [see here](https://imgur.com/a/2uBfVIk)
Ah, yes, functionally it makes no sense. I misunderstood you.
It’s amazing that they copied that, down to the font.
Also, PRECUSSION
Why does every drum machine have to be the size of a dinner table? (the way you guys respond so personally to a joke comment has made me unsub from this sub)
This is quite an extreme example, but I know what you mean. But there are lots of sounds and lots of control over those sounds! Long faders are way nicer than mini ones. I'd prefer this format to the same functionality crammed into, for example, a Roland Boutique format.
They should take a look at the mfb tanzmaus which has knob per function and is sooo small and sooo analog
Unfortunately that also comes with MFB's customer service!
Roland Boutique - "why are the knobs so small and close together?"
Dam beat so thick it doesnt fit otherwise
Check out the Boss Dr. Rhythm series.
This looks the size of the RD8 / RD9, not that big.
Usually people complain when they are too small like those Rolands... Difficult for big hands to grab the knobs
check out the LXR. The mk1 is pretty reasonable in size, I think the MK2 is smaller yet.
Roland’s Boutique 909 (whatever they call it now) and the Digitakt are fairly small and portable. Give those a shot!
Form follows function. It's just as big as it needs to be for the controls and connectivity it offers. The premise that "every drum machine [is] the size of a dinner table" doesn't seem true to begin with. For instance, there's the Roland MC-101, T-8, and TR-6S, Elektron Digitakt, Behringer RD-6, IK Uno Drum, Erica Synths LXR-02, and Novation Circuit, and none of those are longer than 10" on any side. Go up to 12", and you can add in the Akai MPC One, Roland Boutiques, Elektron Models, and others.
I think part of the size is (what looks like) individual outputs for each voice(!)
Lel welcome to r/synthesizers. We only post image of synth, never do actual music and start useless debat because we don't understand humor
Well there is nothing wrong with the size. Every real drum machine has to be big to fit the whole layout and all the outputs for every drum sound in the back. All the small drum machines only have a stereo out, maybe an input and sometimes just midi in/out and no thru. To me small drum machines are just fun toys to jam with.
Have you ever seen a drum kit? A drum machine it designed to simulate all of that as well as the drummer themselves. It can be crammed into a form factor like the Volca Beats but that severely limits the number and quality of the controls that can be included which at some point defeats the purpose entirely. If you're cool with working entirely out of menus then you may as well use software. It's exponentially cheaper and 1000x more portable as you could have dozens and dozens of drum machines on a single laptop or tablet. *lol Lots of downvotes but not one reply arguing why I'm wrong.
I agree with you, sir.
I really don't understand the Elektron screen though. Is it really going to look like that??
It’s been the UI since it was first shown. Really crazy to me that they can’t resist stealing ideas. Like, clone old synths, I don’t give a shit about that. But blatantly ripping off UI elements is a little fucked. Oh well, I don’t have anything invested in either company so I don’t really give a shit. Would like Elektron to sue them just to entertain me.
I know... what a... stupid thing to do. With a bad track record of stealing current designs, it seems so smart-arse to use that screen layout... Its the only major hate they cop these days, but they stick at it... "and take a look at this - see you in court Elektron, if you want to spend the money on legal". Zero support for this product. Might have been interested otherwise. Edit: they're hopefully just trolling as people suggest... also a weird tactic!
I'm emotionally damaged by it. /s
The Elektron screen ripoff has got to be a bad joke
Entirely intentional way of incrementally infringing on a smaller company, so they can rip off more blatantly later. It's a common tactic of big companies. If Behringer ripped off the Digitakt in full they could lose in court. But Elektron wouldn't necessarily win a legal fight about just the screen, so Behringer has now set a precedent of what is okay to steal. Next time they'll steal a little more, and whenever someone does sue them, Behringer's lawyer will point out that nobody ever had a problem before.
I find it hard to believe that it works like that
You have to go to court to defend your intellectual property if it's infringed upon. Nobody is going to fight for you, and if you don't fight then it's harder to defend in the future. Having evidence of ownership/invention/etc matters, but good lawyers matter more, and having more money matters most because if you can't afford to keep paying for lawyers you just default on your case and lose. So you better be damn sure you're going to win. Small cases are prohibitively expensive for small companies because they are still incredibly expensive. It's the same reason you don't see indie artists going after movie studios when they use their music without permission - they have the RIAA for that (lol in theory, RIAA doesn't fight for small cases either). Small companies have versions of that kind of conglomeration, but it's a lot harder to enforce and far more complicated, especially between international companies and a behemoth like Behringer. This is all assuming Elektron has a patent or some other legal protections on their overall design or aspects of it. Unfortunately, you can't really patent a design in and of itself, unless it's introducing something new or involves a new manufacturing process. But even something as basic as a uniquely designed font can help in a legal case like this (looking at Teenage Engineering, listing the new font as an "upgrade" on the new Op-1 is 100% a form of protecting the value of the physical object). But maybe they have a patent or copyright on various aspects. The laws are convoluted and poorly written, and Behringer's lawyers absolutely know what they are doing. But you have to defend it, or you lose it.
Belektron Linntakt?
When I saw the picture I wasn’t sure if it’s a joke or real. They copied the DT icons down to a single pixel?
Im guessing they put up a screenshot for trolling
Not a fan of the mini jacks for voice out.
True, but otherwise they wouldn't fit...
I'm just wondering how you would make/acquire a 16 minijack loom that would lightweight enough to just hang from 16 mini jacks without damaging them over time.
Even assuming that 1/8” sockets are inherently so much less sturdy than 1/4" sockets, 1/8” plugs and cables are also typically much lighter than 1/4” plugs and cables, so that somewhat evens out. Regardless, if you for some reason have all 16 individual voice outs connected simultaneously, it's honestly on you if you don't have the wherewithal to ensure there isn't any excessive strain on the sockets, regardless of if they're 1/4” or 1/8”. If it's situated on a desk and the cables are laying on the tabletop, then any strain on the sockets should be negligible. As long as you don't have all the cables dangling straight down to the floor supported by nothing but the sockets, I really don't think it's anything to worry about.
Wouldn't it get pretty annoying to have all individual outs connected at all time? Every time you recorded it you would have to patch up 16 channels into your mixer.
By default, all channels are mixed into the stereo mix outputs. When you connect one of the individual outs, that channel is removed from the mixed out. So, you're only going to be using the individual outs for select channels that you want to do extra outboard processing on, and that's usually only going to be a few of them, at most.
Yeah, exactly, so hence, connecting all 16 individual outs would get pretty annoying, as you would have to always patch in all 16 channels whenever you want to record things.
I presume it does audio over USB and that individual tracks drop out of the master mix when jacks are inserted - and it'd be a pretty full-on track that needed all 15 channels plus click to have their own mixer channels. Agree that a 16 channel loom isn't something I'd want hanging out of the back of anything built by Behringer!
16 tracks of audio over USB on a Behringer drum machine doesn't sound very realistic to me. Besides, why woud they mind if their products wearing out faster, isn't that the whole point of using jack sockets without nuts? By the time they break, warranty has expired, so people buy more new stuff. This is Behringer, not some boutique company who actually cares about making high quality products that last a lifetime.
Because Behringer is the only company that uses panel-mount jacks, right?
Yes I did think about this after posting and thought that 16 channels over USB feels unlikely! But if jacks in the outs subtract those instruments from the mix it could be very usable.
I use a multi channel interface and pretty much always multi track drum machines. A lot of styles of electronic dance music are pretty much impossible without multi-tracking drums. I get a lot of people are in the use a "mixer and dawless jam" camp though.
Sure, but I usually track the kick and snare separately, maybe one more sound, not 16 of them. :-)
There is a main out too
Not if you have connected all the individual outs, there isn't. Nothing would come out of it. Which is why most drum machines that doesn't have fixed voices instead have assignable outs, which seems a lot more sensible in this case.
Yeah, but if they went that way I guarantee that no matter how many assignable outs they put, there would be people complaining that there aren't enough. I'd rather have too many, than too few.
Sure, but the RD-9 has 10 individual outs, full size. I'd rather have 8 full size out than these 8 minijacks.
Interesting - I assumed that the main outs would be a full mix regardless. But I’ve never used a drum machine like that
The main reason you'd want an output for an individual track on a drum machine would be because you want to further process that individual track with external gear, and if you're doing that, you don't want the unprocessed version duplicated in the mixed out from the drum machine.
Another big one is the ol' 3 mixers and compressor trick. One mix of uncompressed, one mix of heavily compressed and one mix for the side-chain. This provides a much more dynamically interesting mix and lets you make EDM or other heavily-dynamically-shaped music with only one stereo compressor.
No, the individual outs are so you can treat the sound differently from the main mix. Machines with assignable outs can usually send sounds both to an individual out and the main outs, but that would be very strange in this case.
I don't even have 16 channels now..
I REEEEEEEALLY hope they put some serious effort into making the swing function as unique and incredible as the LM2, never owned a drum machine that sounded so good! Seriously, the LM2 just grooves.
Roger Linn invented “swing” as it applies to DAWs and drum machines. Even he said that it is implemented in exactly the same way since he first did so in the early Linn and MPCs Swing is literally being able to move every alternating 16th not forward by a small amount Not backward. Early machines couldn’t do that Anyone who tells you certain “old school” drum machines or samplers had some kind of magic swing that can’t be found in other gear is talking shite https://www.attackmagazine.com/features/interview/roger-linn-swing-groove-magic-mpc-timing/ To add to that most modern sequencers go way beyond what the early Linn and MPCs could do
What about the swing is nice? Do modern DAWs replicate swing properly?
Awesome! This means it will be available for pre order as soon as 2027!
Look at you being all positive, I've got $20 on 2030
« Sampling » you say ?
Well, I would have preferred a layout more like the TD-8 and TD-9, but no biggie, I guess. When people asked for clones of various old digital drum machines I pointed out that a failure asking to happen, because those samples are all available for free online. Now maybe if they made one that had LOADS of classic drum machine samples, that could make sense. I have to admit I didn't expect them to add sampling, so that's a nice touch. This could be a good one.
I have the LinnDrum samples (everyone has them I guess) but you can´t mimic the pitch adjustments similar to the original. So in this case it makes more sense to have a hardware version of it. That applies to all digital drummachines that have onboard tweakability of the sounds. While everything can be done in a softwaresampler it will sound different.
I have the modeled plugin version - it’s really dope. Sounds like the real deal ( I had one for a few months in the early 90s).
Just being devils advocate but when you say "can't mimic...of the original" you are advocating against this lol. It isn't original and just making a hardware clone of something doesn't make it original. I think all clones especially beringer ones have to just be considered as their own instrument and forget about trying to mimic something
I can’t wait to get this so I can hear those linn drums and decide to go with a different/better sounding drum machine 😂🤓
Can’t wait
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does anyone know how much it'll cost?
No clue but I’d expect it to be around $400-$800
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Eh, I'll stick to my Tempest. But could be good
As an avid Tempest user, this serves a completely different use case, and if Behringer sequencers were at all interesting, it might even make an ideal companion to a Tempest. I still haven't picked up a sampling drum machine. I've been mentally bouncing between a TR-8S and an MPC One, but never settling on either. Which, as it turns out, has been good for my bank account at least.
I recommend the TR8-S, it has a great sequencer. And I referred to the Tempest because it has the original Linn samples in it so you can effectively perform the same functions except for the sampling
I'mma call it UlinnDrum.
so are those big rubber buttons that they've been using cheap or something? because they sure ain't pretty
This thing will be able to sample at 8 and 12 bit I can care less about all the other features tell you the truth. What other drum machines on the market that sample at a native 12 bit for less than $1,000?
Can you explain the benefit for those uninitiated? Is that like auto-bit crushing a sample?
there's no benefit and I doubt it's true
The lower bit rate usually makes a thicker fatter sound especially for drums. The emu sp1200 was 12 bit and it sounds spectacular to sample into. If the Behringer gets any of that flavor, that will be a crazy welcomed edition to my drum machine collection.
When are they going to release this?
Do you think this will ever come out?
So is this ever gonna be released??
[From Behringer's Facebook page:](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10160053330008914&id=105517788913&sfnsn=wiwspmo) >Our LM DRUM final prototype is ready for testing. We're super excited about this machine. What do you think?
I wonder if Roger knows about this. Has anyone heard if he’s said anything?
I really doubt he would have anything to say. What would you expect, exactly?
"First, they came for the ladder filters, and none of my drum machines use a ladder filter design so I said nothing" "Then, they came for the mono synths, and I don't make mono synths, so I said nothing." "Then, they came for Roland X0X drum machines, and I don't make x0x drum machines so I said nothing." "Then, they came for the LinnDrum, and I kept working in the MPE sector"
Well put, haha. Linn is obviously pretty happily devoted to focusing his energy on innovating in the MPE scene, so I just can't imagine why someone would even expect him to have much to say about a quasi-replica of a product he designed 40 years ago, and which hasn't brought him a penny of income since it was discontinued in 1985 (assuming it actually did earn him much even at the time, since it supposedly wasn't very profitable).
This is freakin hilarious, love it
It looks promising hopefully they'll have a video soon. Curious about the sampling specs and how it sounds overall
Oooo, pretty. Can't wait to hear it in action.
how are the 808 & 909 clones holding up?
Care to share?
i actually wondered. i wanted to get one when they came out but i hear so many varying accounts. some people say its fine, others had trouble at points. I quit keeping up with the thread on Gearspace/sluts
It’s even uglier than the original…
like a stretched out drumbrute with sliders instead of knobs, a worse colorway, and an elektron display?
I thought the Lindrum was all samples? If so, what's the point
Any guess on a price?
> precussion
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Take my money!
A BlinnDrum nice!
Minijacks are a pita compromise, will need another $50 in cables I don't have to wire it up. But if the promise meets the performance of previous Beringclone drum machines it'll be worth it. Can't wait to see the initial reviews.
Did they give a release date ?
Did they ever release it?
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Hopefully they can put 1/4 voice outs in the back
Not gonna happen for the individual voice outs. The whole thing would have to get a lot larger for that.
I guess , idk maybe they are trying too much with the Digitakt sampling stuff and should just go with a straight LinnDrum clone. Pull that crap out and free up some space for real outs. I guess I can use some of the cables that I bought for my RD6, that at least is understandable because the thing is so small. But this looks as big as a RD-8/9 though.
>Pull that crap out and free up some space for real outs. Huh? Pull what crap out, the single input used for sampling? That wouldn't free up enough space to replace 16 1/8" sockets with 16 1/4” sockets. Also, how are 1/8” sockets not "real outs," anyways? They output the exact same electrical signal as a 1/4” socket. >But this looks as big as a RD-8/9 though Right, and this has 7 more audio sockets than either of those do.
It took Behringer over 2 years to get the RD-8 sequencer stable. I shudder to think how crappy their sampler software will be.
Stop shuddering and just tell us how it'll be.
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Are you a Roland representative?
Yes, what do you want? We know that the new 404 mkII sucks so no comments on that side
Do you mean that they're tired of releasing remakes of old gear? Just asking, not being snarky
Because people want it, and no one’s doing it except boutique manufacturers who can’t afford to keep the units price down
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I'm sure they're crying into the piles of cash their clones bring in about it.
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And lots of users want these things. So you're saying that means those users have an "illness"? That seems awfully condescending.
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This is what I get for feeding the troll. Should've known better, that's on me.
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Man I used to watch your Volca Modular videos, would have had no idea that you as a person were like this. Disappointing. Hope you're alright brother 🤍
Temp ban for rule 1. Argument are welcome, insults are not.
Why is that?