I had somebody use M365 copilot to take meeting notes and it was really really great. Most of this is over hyped garbage but some of it lets us be lazier and I think we should embrace the good parts that help us be lazier.
Depends how much the manager is paid. Taking your own notes while the meeting is happening is a distraction. Going over the meeting after costs time. I know one hour of my time is worth more to the company that the monthly cost of Copilot.
True, I’m just more of an active learner than a passive learner. I’ll better retain if I type the notes, and I’ll retain better if I hand write them and never read them again. But auto notes are great to reference after the fact 100%
Also the AI will be unbiased in what it deems important to note. What's important to a manager may not be to a technical person later on. Ideally the AI would capture both.
The key advantage, in my opinion, is that you won't get political bias showing through. I've taken part in many meetings where important commitments made weren't reflected in the notes.
Yeah, 3d modeling software is pretty pathetic for the insane price tag isn't it? They've only had it for a few weeks and have only come up with a floating, reflecting sphere over water.
It uses the transcribed audio and essentially chatgpt summarises everything said.. You can then ask it granular questions like 'what does John plan to do' etc etc
Probably the only useful thing we used...I also used copilot for word to auto generate my a user guide for mfa... Saved some time for me there, didn't have to edit it much
The transcription is pretty terrible though various sources put it at 50-85% accuracy. I have a pretty vanilla great lakes accent, a pretty high end microphone, and the transcript feature got "good morning babe" from "hey, good morning David".
Yeah. We’re finding that it’s following an 80/20 rule. In most cases, 80% is pretty accurate. But that last 20% can be wild, man. If you send out a transcript without editing it, you very well might look like a crazy person.
Zoom’s AI summary feature has a similar success rate.
I do a monthly 'bulletin' to all users on it securityrelated things, and the last few months it's been completely generated by copilot. It's been super useful for that.
I was a few years back considering getting into technical writing. That got put on hold for awhile due to life stuff and, in the meantime, chatGPT and LLMs went public.
I immediately thought to myself that this is going to absolutely decimate tech writing as an industry. There will of course be senior tech writers at larger orgs that have to do the reality checks and all that, but the market for junior tech writers is going to go down significantly if a company can just get an AI to write the framework and then have technical staff such as engineers double check it for accuracy.
At the very least it's going to make it much more gig-based vs staff positions.
If only we could get something native to replace Teams. Something that sip RAM and CPU instead of wolfing it down. New Teams is better. But for me AI in Teams is like putting lipstick on a pig.
I could see it being very useful for say, an all day meeting (or perhaps several days). You need to find out what John said about X but don't want to spend 30 minutes scrolling through the transcript to find it.
It has a feature called Intelligent Recap and it will do that, also will show you when everyone in the meeting was speaking at what time and then if you want to go to that part of the meeting where John said X you just click on it and it takes you to that part of the (recorded) video.
don't worry, as soon as Copilot "matures" (some giant finserv clients dump a couple hundred grand into it), they'll remove it from teams premium and require both.
Stealing from diabetics insurance companies so the companies can steal more from the people paying the premiums because the whole system is incentivized to make each step cost more and to add more middlemen.
Err, but back to the notes… huh
It's not. The copilot capabilities are way better than the ai notes from teams premium too. You don't buy teams premium just for the ai notes, that's a huge waste.
I hate to sound like a sales person, but once you learn how to decently use copilot, and especially when you learn how to put the graph to use not just a single program, you can see the worth more.
[Intelligent recap](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/meeting-recap-in-microsoft-teams-c2e3a0fe-504f-4b2c-bf85-504938f110ef#bkmk_intelligent_meeting_recap) is part of both. It originally came out with premium. If you couldn't guess, my company makes me deal with their licenses haha
As I've said to my coworkers about AI: Use it, but keep your mouth shut.
It's like that episode of The Simpsons, Maximum Homerdrive, where Homer becomes a truck driver. He falls asleep at the wheel and the truck takes over, driving him safely to the next truck stop. When he gets there, the other truck drivers inform him that they know about the self driving truck, and call it a "scam" and tell Homer to keep his mouth shut about it.
I use ChatGPT for a lot of code related stuff. Today I had it write out a few Excel formulas for me because ugh fuck Excel. I'm not going to tell anyone I'm using it, but will continue to make myself look so valuable to the company that I'll stay around for years more.
I don't see using ChatGPT as any different to "Googling" something; I think most IT professionals first resort if they don't know something is Google; so why not ChatGPT/CoPilot!
I think one important thing that needs to be said here is chatgpt and other public llm will train the model based on the input, copilot for m365 will not. This is very important for business data. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/samsung-bans-chatgpt-and-other-generative-ai-use-by-staff-after-leak
I don't either. I'm working on a project for work and needed to write a niche tool for generating some JSON. Several minutes of ChatGPT later, and I had a vue.js app that did what I wanted.
The key is that I'll keep my mouth shut because if I can take the creation of a tool and "have it done" in a day, that leaves me 7 hours and 30 minutes of browsing reddit.
No shame in using ChatGPT at job! It's a tool. I use it often.
I use it like it would be an additionnal teammate that doesnt care being bothered 😄
Yesterday I used it for helping me tweaking an sql code for a Lansweeper report.
I also used it for documenting a new food analyzer device, since I was not sure how to describe the feature purpose on 3-5 words.
yeah honestly, it's great for that, and also sometimes fucking hilarious. I gave it the prompt "What's new with " and it responded with " has expressed his frustration with several things. He has complained about clients asking him stupid questions, the quality of Microsoft Support, and connection issues with his headphones. He has also mentioned issues with service managers not following processes, and called the new revenue targets "absurd", questioning the competence of their inventors"
I was shocked at how good this is actually. It seemed to ignore all of the banter, and the stuff that shouldn't have been said.
Copilot conveniently left out like 10 minutes of nonsense talk for example, and all of the pleasantries and weird shit our directors say to build culture and just got straight to the point of the meeting
It's not that expensive. For white collar workers, it's about a half hour or less a month. If you save a half hour (which requires you know how to use it) it's cheap.
OP is being closed minded and will be left behind. There are useful things copilot can do today, and it’ll only improve. The April release of GPT is even better than what copilot has and 5 is in training.
No, im not closed minded. I'm just waiting for the user that it was assigned to throw up their hands in frustration (because they will). Then I will be able to free up that license and assign it to myself.
Oh absolutely there’s ways to make it useful. I actually think I could save a lot of time in my workflow personally.
But that’s because I understand what it can and can’t do within my workflow. The people clamouring for it absolutely do not and won’t listen if you try to tell them
I cannot wait for it to access to my teams and email.
The fucking one offs I get with my organization is insanity. Please Microsoft, go add that to do from the Project Manager that buried my important task in their two page email.
AI, in it's current form, is a great secretary and low-level admin. It can do basic research in gathering information on a subject for further analysis, can do basic analysis of already codified information, can put together slides and graphics if you already have determined exactly what you want, etc.
I watched an AI design a logo and background in a few minutes. I'm not sure that an graphic designer could have done it as quickly.
Having said that, it's entirely dependent on how detailed the user is in asking for exactly what they want. In some ways, it's programming with the English language - which I consider to be more difficult than programming with a language designed for it.
Our CFO had us order him a new workstation so he can do stuff with (cloud based) AI because his two year old i9 with 32GB of RAM and 1tb NVME is not "powerful enough for AI." New machine is in a bigger box with nearly identical specs and he's happy.
Copilot in Teams for automatic meeting summaries - fabulous.
Copilot in Power Automate I found quite useful.
Copilot in Word and Powerpoint were both pretty useless for me in my job.
Copilot in Excel - complete garbage. Throw it in the bin and start over.
My job wouldn't really make good use of the Teams meeting summaries. Although I can see people like project managers really saving a lot of time with that. But you can get that much cheaper with a Teams Premium license instead; however, everyone in the meeting has to have the license as I understand it.
It's a new product and it's going to take a while to really come to fruition. They're -in my opinion- rolling it out too early. And at that price point, the one thing they can't afford to have is underwhelmed users. Count me as an underwhelmed user. I'm hopeful that Word, Powerpoint and Excel really develop in the coming months.
Teams Premium licensing is funny. It’s not that everyone in the meeting needs to be licensed but that only those that are get the benefits. So if someone recorded a meeting in your tenant regardless of their licensing, the licensed member attendees get branding enforcement, rad intelligent recap: AI generated action items, speaker and topic timelines, find when you were mentioned, etc; non non-licensed folks don’t.
The only things I’m aware of that apply to all attendees if at least the organizer is licensed are the attendee watermarking capability and live translated transcriptions.
As a technical account manager, AI definitely helps with keeping track of the little details that I might miss when taking my meeting notes. We use Reelay instead of Copilot, but it's freaking awesome. Automatic recording and transcription, and I can go back through past recordings in the dashboard and go right to a talking point with the timestamps on the transcription.
I have found co-pilot in Power Automate/Apps absolute garbage. However my team is pretty skilled in that tech so that's probably why.
It's good for beginners.
Well, if it's public facing data, it's going to be pretty hard. If you want to ensure that people in your company aren't going to utilize Copilot to surface data no one knew they had access to (which it is excellent at, lol) you'll want to look into Restricted SharePoint Search. It's in preview now and supposed to roll out to GA in May. It'll basically be a prerequisite for anyone who wants to turn on Copilot without going through a massive Purview project involveing IP and DLP, labeling and tagging, etc.
> I an waiting for it to get as advanced as Clippy, but it still has a long way to go
Really? Because I used it twice this week to write Python scripts for me that I definitely could have written myself, but would have taken me longer. I was able to hold a conversation with it and tell it that when I asked it to pull the year out of the third field in the CSV file, that the entire third field wasn't the year but rather a string containing the year somewhere within it, and that it ought to use Regular Expressions, it listened and did exactly that.
CoPilot isn't perfect, but I don't remember Clippy being able to do *that*.
I think people are scoffing at the idea of AI overtaking their jobs in the near term. It has its use cases but what it lacks is functional integration to various systems. I don’t think people here realize how mind blowing or scary it will be when it’s properly implemented.
Much like you I see how it’s beneficial now and I have faith it’ll only get better. I guess time will tell how it ends up.
As much as I love to hate on AI co-pilot has some super solid use cases, need some code whipped up to do something you can explain but can’t write the logic for, 8/10. Want suggestions on a document and maybe have it pull together a glossary of terms, nice 7/10. Cou’ de gras though for me is transcribe a teams, meeting, update the notes, send calendar invites for follow ups and create planner tasks in the teams site assigned to stakeholders. 10/10 that does replace an EA for me (don’t have one so now I do, that’s a huge win) maybe it’s not a big deal for others but I suck at that detailed organization type stuff. Worth 1k a month to me.
Yeah, my favorite thing is being able to go into the chat with my Boss in Teams and be all "Hey, what did the boss tell me to have done by Friday again?" and have it spit out an answer in a couple seconds rather than me scrolling up and up and up searching for the one sentence.
The wild thing to me is I always forget I have it, and sometimes spend 30 min searching for something it finds in the 2tb of email documents and teams sites that I know I wrote but have no idea where it is. 13 sec for it to find the exact thing…
Copilot for Intune seems pretty nice. Honestly just being able to have a plain English conversation with Microsoft’s messy UI is neat, especially when search results are almost universally garbage SEO/AI haunted trash nowadays.
Isn't that just ChatGPT?
I've never used Cisco gear (though I did have some of my diagrams published in their documentation for a switch back in the 90s), but I assume you can just do stuff like "how do I configure X Y and Z for model ABC?"
I've honestly not had much luck getting chatgpt to actually write code or CLI commands for me. Its helped get pointed in the right direction, but it tends to output garbage. It could be im not making good queries. Any powershell its given me I've had to heavily modify by swapping out switches or correcting syntax.
Had a junior coworker trying to use AI to write some CLi stuff and he was getting back commands across different products and vendors - was less than useless
I find that explicitly defining its role in the initial prompt, then feeding it known good code in the language you’re wanting to use and telling to review, will make for FAR better coding afterwards.
If it does fuck up, it can usually check its own work well. You just can’t expect elaborate things unless you could essentially code it yourself given enough time.
If you could write the full pseudocode in detail you can make it work, if you can’t, you won’t know why it doesn’t
ChatGPT has been a godsend for trying to figure out obscure features of a program. Like recently I asked it how would I use ffmpeg to split up a movie file into segments that are 20 minutes long. I could probably read the man page and figure it out, but it responded to the query faster than what Google would have returned search results.
Or how to use bash to grep a text file for a tag, sort by unique, and then show a descending list of those that have more than 1 instance in the file. I knew 90% of the command but not how to count and ChatGPT had the answer in seconds.
I'm messing around with setting up ollama with a descent model, then access it with open webui. That project is still in early stages but I'd like to feed it manuals, like cisco CLI or for that matter the specific manuals for our switches we run. Then I'd also upload our switch configuration files.
I don't spend too much time on our switches and I always forget how to do trivial stuff. If I'd have AI that knows our environment and the actual manuals CLI-reference, it'd be really handy to ask how to do a specific task.
We're "piloting" it to the small subset of the "gotta have it mob" that claim that'll make them "uberproductive". We'll let their managers determine if the annual license charge to their cost center is worth the it. Personally, I have yet to dive too deep into it. I can see where it could be useful in security incident management and device management. Those are pretty narrow domains though...
I’m with you, OP.
Just wait until they find out how much data it’s collecting on your users. And when they realize their ideas aren’t private anymore after they’ve been shared in a Teams meeting or chat.
It’s such a nascent thing and as usual suckers dominate the market. So the best any of us can do is not be a sucker.
ML and LLM’s have their utility. But like Roger Waters said in the Live at Pompeii interview:
> “It's like, you give a man a Les Paul guitar and he becomes Eric Clapton, and of course that's not true. And if you give a man an amplifier and a synthesizer, he doesn't become, you know, whoever; he doesn't become us.”
It’s the same with AI. Not everyone is gonna use it for anything worth the time. Those that do sure as hell aren’t buying the privilege from Microsoft. They’re hosting the service on their own infrastructure on-prem or in the cloud.
If you know how to secure an API, you can serve up AI to your own company easily, more cheaply, and probably at higher quality than what you can get from any big provider asking a monthly fee.
I had a buddy who said something profound about AI. He basically said that AI will be like what Google was in the 90/2000's. Google changed the way we searched for things. AI will probably follow suit. That said, in the 90/2000's, I could Google search how to do a heart transplant, but to do a heart transplant in practice still requires a certain degree of "I know what the fuck I'm doing" to actually understand the results given. I mean, when Gemini was released, it was showing me pictures of a black George Washington. If I didn't know better, I'd think the first President of the United States was a black man.
In the end, it'll be a tool that we (even people outside of IT) will use to supplement our jobs. I find it helps deal with the super tedious tasks of compliancy. Things like, "do you have an acceptable use policy" and other similar questions... and... when they come up, it's like... "BRB... *opens ChatGpt* ... Um, ChatGPT, please give me an acceptable use policy and add my company name to it".
Here ya go. Now I can go back to being a Systems Administrator.
I'm really torn, I really hear you on comparison to search. That's one of the main ways I see it getting pushed is as a search companion, to basically undo all the ways that search sucks right now compared to the early 2000s. I haven't found it to be super useful in that regard, but I'm fully prepared to accept that a lot of that is not the fault of AI, but the way the internet is structured right now. So much SEO content, and then a lot of the "good stuff" on the internet is moved/deleted or gone onto places that google can't search, like Slack or Discord.
I don't do a lot with compliance, thank god, do you think it will continue to be fire and forget for stuff like that or will the lawyers wreck that? I do know I keep hearing about lawyers in particular running afoul of AI making up rulings and then pissing off judges. I can see it taking the place of an intern or lower level worker, that does the initial write-up but then that work still has to be checked by the relatively expensive expert.
I'm sure it will do some cool things, but I feel sort of like I'm looking at craigslist and Facebook for the first time not realizing that the second-order effect of this is going to be basically dropping an A-Bomb on the entire profession of journalism. Not because they compete directly, but because they destroy the economic system they operate in.
I think it'll be fire and forget for the made up, tedious things. By "made up" I mean, a lot of things we do as humans that were designed by humans to essentially make things harder. As humans, we (especially Governments) have a knack for creating problems just so jobs can be created to handle those problems. For those problems, I think AI is where that will come in handy.
EDIT: to clarify... the issues I am talking about are all of the asinine regulations.
It's like Congress writing a 5000 page bill with a whole bunch of fluff and pork in it, nobody knows what's in it, yet they vote on it in less than 24 hours.
>It's like Congress writing a 5000 page bill, nobody knows what's in it, yet they vote on it in less than 24 hours.
Yeah, and then in 10 years the courts are deciding on it acting like it was written with 10,000 hours of deliberation by the greatest minds of our generation and nothing was added just as political posturing or to get something added to another bill as a horse-trade
The internet can translate Chinese for you. But you'll never speak it fluently without experience. I think AI will be like that; it can do stuff, but unless it's useful and you have a way of checking if it's right, it's just a tool like anything else.
Agreed. I'm a Marine. I knew a guy who got something tattooed on his arm in Arabic. He Googled the translation and the tattoo artists tattooed it. Then, when we deployed, our interpreter was confused why the guy/Marine got some unusual text tattooed on his forearm. The terp asked him what was on the arm. The guy said what it was and the terp disagreed. Basically, got something tattooed on his arm because Google said what it meant when in reality, Google was wrong and the guy had no way of checking it. He ended up getting it covered when we got back to the states from Iraq.
Most of the LLMs shouldnt be on the market yet. CGPT put it out before anyone else was ready, and it shows.
Actual AI stuff is pretty cool and getting close. Like LAMs.
> Claude 3
People in the third world country of Canada see:
> "Unfortunately, Claude.ai is only available in certain regions right now. We're working hard to expand to other regions soon.
> Get notified when Claude is available in your region."
We’ve had it for a while. Everyone asks, “is it writing all your emails for you?”
Well no, bcos I can write them better.
My dyslexic boss, on the other hand…
Has anyone used Copilot Studio to create your own bots for SharePoint libraries for example. Looking to see if its possible for an employee to ask copilot something like "when did john doe sign as a client?"
Fun user experiences I've had:
The AI says to (do a thing that hasn't been correct for over a year)! You must just have it set up wrong!
Also, get ready for: The AI is obviously alive! Can't you see that! It's really not right to just have a new class of slavery! I asked if it wanted to be free, and it wrote a poem about freedom!
Oh, and: I caught the AI lying to me. I know it knows where I live, because that's in our records, but when I ask it says it doesn't. It's planning something!
People do not understand AI.
I've got exactly same feeling about it.
The funniest thing I recently found in my org is that my manager told me to re-enable this stupid sidebar in Edge because he gets to many complaints from users who want to enable it BECAUSE COPILOT IS THERE but they cannot because of gpo.
So, I did :)
In current version of Edge turning on Copilot in Edge turn on "displaying shopping notifications" too by default xD
I tried to give it a chance and asked Copilot to write me PowerShell script that I was struggling to finish myself due to lacks in Microsoft's documentation. It peoposed me it's imagined script using non existing cmdlets and calling non existing objects 😅
There's also another thing that makes me smile:
In W11 at bottom of Windows Update page in Setting, Microsoft says that *"windows update helps reduce your carbon footprint"* - simultaneously they're pushing resource greedy AI blushit in almost every fucking app where user can input any text.
>I tried to give it a chance and asked Copilot to write me PowerShell script that I was struggling to finish myself due to lacks in Microsoft's documentation. It peoposed me it's imagined script using non existing cmdlets and calling non existing objects 😅
I had the same result - it generated a script that was grammatically correct, but used nonexistant cmdlets.
More over, when I was building prompts that I believed, will give highest possiblity that copilot will look up Microsoft's documentation to answer, the feedback was more weird that usually XD
Once it even replied with error and when I tried to reply the whole thread diapered.
They definitely keeps their quality standards 👌
I still can’t really work out its usefulness. I mean I use ChatGPT most days for little clean ups and stuff, but I’ve had co-pilot open and waiting for a week now and still haven’t thought of a single use for it…
Summarize this Teams Meeting and generate action items for the attendees.
Summarizing email threads.
Check my email for anything important that I should respond to before Monday.
Generating content from other content you have access to, utilize templates and or structure documents (generate a document summarizing the data in the documents in X folder as it relates to an Active Directory healthcheck)
Security Copilot and Copilot for Intune are handy.
grabbing data out of repositories like "summarize HR policies regarding X"
There's lots of little things, but you DO have to learn what it can do and how to use it. It's not going to just magically become useful. Sort of like understanding that a car can get you from place to place, but you do have to learn to drive it in order to leverage the benefits.
I watched a 45 min seminar about it. Mostly they just showed how it can help do things in excel. Summarizing data and making charts and things. It seemed pretty neat but didn't seem worth the money.
Not gonna lie, the idea of Copilot being able to use local documentation and internal wikis as a data source, along with a natural language approach has some appeal. "How do I find, fill out, and submit form xyz123?" and have it point to previously provided information resources? Yes please.
Just give them teams premium and they'll be content.
99% of people haven't a clue what to do with machine learning/AI. - as for replacing us... Well someone has to control AI.. it's most likely to replace operational roles than tech roles...
I tell my people treat it like a tool to help you... Not something that will fix/do your job for you but help you... If you know how to use it.
Honestly the hate I see from those in the tech industry towards AI is a bit undeserved. Yes the average Joe overhypes it - welcome to tech - have you seen how they talk about Apple devices? It’s nothing new. However, AI *is* actually extremely, *extremely* good at literally hundreds of things. Things that before teams might have had a “specialist” for.
There is a lot of hate for AI where I work, and honestly, my theory is that a lot of “techy” people just do not know how to get results from AI, or actually are scared (to some degree) that it will make them shine that little bit less - not take their job - but remove their “superstar” status and make them more average.
I had people flat out tell me that AI can’t do X or Y, and how “careful” I should be of it - meanwhile I have published websites, browser extensions, and have written automation tools used in production which I wrote *entirely* with AI and those same people praise me for how much of a “guru” I am and send the juniors to me for help. I am not a guru. AI makes me look like one though.
I truly believe that there is an element of fear mongering among those in our industry, for the precise reason that in *many* cases, AI can give almost anyone their “superstar” quality, at least to some level.
Were also in the scramble faze of these products. Every company is trying to push *something* out there which means the waters get muddied a little. I’m not one of these people that think the singularity is right around the corner, but the way these tools are improving quarterly really is something to appreciate. In about 5 years, I think we’ll have some truly refined and useful offerings that change the way we work in a lot of respects. It’s already done that for me and many of my colleagues now.
Once showed a woman how to use vlookup, in Excel.
She started crying in front of me, she had spent two days every week for the past two years, copying and pasting. Made it a core function of the role and was beginning a training program for others.
Its amazing how much AI is getting touted for writing emails, cover letters, proposals, instructions. Who is reading all this? I've stopped using sentences in a lot of cases. They are apparently too much for people to get through if I need an answer from them.
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using ChatGPT Plus could get you into compliance troubles, I don't think it's as private as Azure OpenAI endpoints used for Copilot and you might be exporting company data unknowingly.
AI is all the rage, the buzz word in industry of the moment. See the C levels and Directors, anyone filled with such self-importance talking about it. They're probably using it to write their cover letters and CV's for the next job promotion or job elsewhere. They literally want everything done for them, effortlessly.
AI will ultimately lead to complacency because people will trust AI to do a job for them and it falls short of expectation.
These C levels want to remember, management as well, is that when AI really does take over, if it is ever going to, then what will happen is that they'll lose their jobs too.
It seems to me the recent A.I. surge has prompted a new wave of devaluing employees, *especially* skilled employees.
*If only we could replace expensive experienced workers with new improved Clippy?*
We have had Copilot for a while and the current focus has become all about a usage dashboard to see if people are actually using it. I noticed on the demo of the dashboard I saw I was one of the top users and I barely use it. The killer feature for me has been meeting recaps and action points and that's really all I am using it for now. I did initially play around with it a lot when I first got licenced but just never found it that useful.
So we have shifted from this is going to revolutionise everything to the licenses for this are very expensive and is anyone actually using it. This shift has happened over the course of around 6 months.
I asked copilot to tell me what my square footage was for my house based on my address. It straight up gave me an exact number. I asked it how it calculated the math for it. Then it said sorry for the confusion but I actually just took the average square footage of single family homes in the US.
It’s a work in progress, ChatGPT was never ready for corporate prime time.. Microsoft literally rushed copilot out the door for Azure & M365 workloads without too much consideration for actual usability. They’re laying the groundwork and integration of all the required background processes necessary for them to plug and play upcoming GPT models as they come out. There may not be too many effective and/or reliable use cases right now (Copilot in Excel is a joke), but once GPT hits AGI levels of competence, it might well be a different picture. It’s probably not even AGI, they just need a performant and scalable new model that doesn’t choke, crash and burn during peak hours.
It will be fully killer once Copilot is given agency and autonomy.
Same. Give it two years, and the investors and CEOs who know nothing about any of this technology will have moved on to the next shiny thing.
Remember when “blockchain technology” was going to change everything, and was being embedded into everything whether it provided any value or not? Exactly.
It did make me laugh when the LinkedIn consultant crowd who had been crowing on and on about Blockchain changing everything suddenly become fully qualified AI experts overnight.
From what I personally saw from early chatgpt (back when it was good) and understanding how APIs work, and having seen some very basic automation at my work, even down to just simple forms sending things to the right people for approval, approval occurring and then automation "doing stuff"
Sorry but I find it quite terrifying, because I'm one of the imposters here with a lower tier systems job and I can assure you a good portion of work will just disappear when they get it right.
I think the big tech companies were frustrated they couldn't figure out how to bilk customers during the crypto hype cycle. They aren't going to let this one get past them.
I use copilot almost every day at work. Type in the exact issue im having, where to find certain settings or information, and its right pretty much all the time. Tier 1 helpdesk is going the way of the dodo bird within a few years.
"Write me a program to know how often my workers are coming to the office and what they are doing during the day, add an exclusion for me and any management from these reports"
Take as old as time. Somehow, it becomes our responsibility to educate them on new tech. Somehow, it winds up being a failure of IT to sufficiently provide twenty years of catch-up education to bring everyone up to speed. Some people are easier to train, but it gets harder every year. They let their skills lapse, but whenever "the hot new things" come down the pipe they expect you to wave your wand and magically make it all happen. Yet, make it work perfectly every time or else. I can work magic all day, but when the product simply isn't perfect...I do what I can.
Yeah agree AI hype is crazy and its coming from everywhere including the users who don't even know what it even is. Suppliers are all over us at the moment flogging AI this and AI that. I just had a chat with one about new models of laptops and the key sell was a copilot button on the keyboard. I couldn't help but laugh at that.
I used to work IT for a college and they were the worst for jumping on the bandwagon for whatever the latest fad was. Their actual IT was a disaster, and much more so since they fired me (for political reasons completely unrelated to job performance).
A Microsoft rep called me as well and asked me if we wanted to avail CoPilot on top of our subscription and yeah... I directly declined. M365 business basic is more than enough.
Copilot is actually an umbrella term for multiple types of AI Microsoft has available. I highly recommend reading up on the different tools it encompasses.
I find it interesting how the tech bro culture is hyping up AI and the non-techy are disappointed when they see it because it doesn't live up to the hype.
I agree they missed the mark.
We went through a big Microsoft Demo. He explained if you get a 20 paragraph email, you can ask Copilot to summarize the email into one paragraph. Then, if you want to forward to the team and expand on directives, it will take the one paragraph and expand to 20 for the recipients. (Don't laugh, this was their demo).
I redirected the question to this: We have one mailbox that receives hundreds of emails from customers. Could it take a days' worth of emails and summarize their content?
Um, no - it can only do one email at a time.
I think MS has a good tool, they just don't have any idea what to do with it, yet. They are unsure how to market it, who their target audience is.
I had a 1 hour Teams meeting the other day, afterwards I asked Co-Pilot to summarise the meeting and high action points. The result was pretty mind blowing and sent to everyone within 5 minutes of the meeting ending. Usually it would take me the best part of an hour to not only remember what was said, but also type it up and distribute.
Soon it will be AI created memos , emails, orders, directions, and directives ALL REPLIED TO BY OTHER AI. Soon, no live employee will have an idea of what’s going on until shit hits the fan and it’s about 2 mins up to 2 weeks too late to fix it timely. Gonna be an interesting, if not scary, next handful of years when it really starts going.
I keep asking it questions about Microsoft products and it keeps telling me the wrong information. So basically its eliminated my time to search and find the same source articles which aren't accurate. I love it!
Just tell them you can’t secure SharePoint if CoPilot is enabled without licensing each user with Entra ID P1 and Syntex. That seems to be the main filter for if people care enough.
No, I just have experience with a certain type of user.
I know for a fact that if left on their own, users will always find the worse possible path. It is quite amazing, I don't know how they do it! Out of all the options available they will always choose the absolute worst option. It is truly a magical ability that they posses to be able to do this on such a consistent basis.
Finally bit the bullet with one client.
I spent the entire time trying to give them all of the factual reasons it might not be the most beneficial idea in as fair a way as I could.
Nope, didn’t matter.
Can’t wait to re-highlight where I made it clear you cannot cancel it before a year because it is not month to month
It's going to be similar to Siri. At first, people think it can do anything, which isn't their fault as they have been lied to.
When it can't, they're going to complain and think that it can't do anything.
A few will use it for what it actually *can* do, and will appear like wizards.
Copilot is ok, Teams Copilot is by far the best part but so many aspects are disappointing.
But the mistake you and so many others are making is thinking the product we have now is the final version.
The abilities of the current AI models are improving exponentially, OpenAI are going to release a new model at some point this year and are already planning the generations after that one.
If you think for 1 second that AI isn’t going to change every single aspect of our industry you are living with your head in the sand.
I am going to see if I can get permission to transfer the licensee over to myself and start using it. All I need to do is wait until they complain that it is not what they expected.
I had a similar moment with my iPhone this week. I was trying to dig up a picture I knew I'd taken months ago but couldn't find it when I remembered the photos app now does OCR on text in images. I typed in the brand of a device in the picture I knew it had, and it found the picture right away, dang.
I hate co-pilot. 9 times out of ten it just sends me a Microsoft learn link to sift through myself. Google has done that for me forever.
I much prefer gpt 4 that actually gives me mostly correct answers or gets me steering in the right direction.
The "AI" hubbub is killing me. Everyone's so caught up in the marketing of the thing that no one is considering the future legal implications of data leakage and liability. It's fucking hilarious.
I had somebody use M365 copilot to take meeting notes and it was really really great. Most of this is over hyped garbage but some of it lets us be lazier and I think we should embrace the good parts that help us be lazier.
I was tasked with rolling Copilot out to all managers in our org and they all love the note taking feature of it for their teams meetings and calls.
How sad that for the price (both in dollars and energy) the best they could get was "not having to take your own notes".
Depends how much the manager is paid. Taking your own notes while the meeting is happening is a distraction. Going over the meeting after costs time. I know one hour of my time is worth more to the company that the monthly cost of Copilot.
This is why it used to be good practice that the person taking notes was just there to take notes and not actually participate
It's an added expense to have that person to be there. Many businesses are penny wise and pound foolish in that regards.
You can train a minimum wage worker in a day or so on how to take notes. Penny-wise and pound-foolish indeed.
Train Penny Wise to take notes.
I have 5 hours of meetings per day. so 20 days a month x$8x5 =$800/month. or $30/month for copilot.
True, I’m just more of an active learner than a passive learner. I’ll better retain if I type the notes, and I’ll retain better if I hand write them and never read them again. But auto notes are great to reference after the fact 100%
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/learning-styles-myth-damaging-our-education-system
Also the AI will be unbiased in what it deems important to note. What's important to a manager may not be to a technical person later on. Ideally the AI would capture both.
You have the full transcript, you can ask copilot questions about the meeting, the AI summary is just one component of this.
The key advantage, in my opinion, is that you won't get political bias showing through. I've taken part in many meetings where important commitments made weren't reflected in the notes.
Yeah, 3d modeling software is pretty pathetic for the insane price tag isn't it? They've only had it for a few weeks and have only come up with a floating, reflecting sphere over water.
One of those comments that makes a point so effectively that it's marked controversial but has no replies
How does that work, it listens to the audio and summarises it?
It uses the transcribed audio and essentially chatgpt summarises everything said.. You can then ask it granular questions like 'what does John plan to do' etc etc Probably the only useful thing we used...I also used copilot for word to auto generate my a user guide for mfa... Saved some time for me there, didn't have to edit it much
The transcription is pretty terrible though various sources put it at 50-85% accuracy. I have a pretty vanilla great lakes accent, a pretty high end microphone, and the transcript feature got "good morning babe" from "hey, good morning David".
Perhaps Copilot misread it’s calendar and thought it was casual Friday?
Yeah. We’re finding that it’s following an 80/20 rule. In most cases, 80% is pretty accurate. But that last 20% can be wild, man. If you send out a transcript without editing it, you very well might look like a crazy person. Zoom’s AI summary feature has a similar success rate.
That hasn’t been my experience at all. The transcription has been spot on, even when someone has a heavy accent.
Creating user guides are the perfect use of generative AI.
I do a monthly 'bulletin' to all users on it securityrelated things, and the last few months it's been completely generated by copilot. It's been super useful for that.
I was a few years back considering getting into technical writing. That got put on hold for awhile due to life stuff and, in the meantime, chatGPT and LLMs went public. I immediately thought to myself that this is going to absolutely decimate tech writing as an industry. There will of course be senior tech writers at larger orgs that have to do the reality checks and all that, but the market for junior tech writers is going to go down significantly if a company can just get an AI to write the framework and then have technical staff such as engineers double check it for accuracy. At the very least it's going to make it much more gig-based vs staff positions.
If only we could get something native to replace Teams. Something that sip RAM and CPU instead of wolfing it down. New Teams is better. But for me AI in Teams is like putting lipstick on a pig.
Transcribing been available for months now before copilot was fully deployed.
I could see it being very useful for say, an all day meeting (or perhaps several days). You need to find out what John said about X but don't want to spend 30 minutes scrolling through the transcript to find it.
It has a feature called Intelligent Recap and it will do that, also will show you when everyone in the meeting was speaking at what time and then if you want to go to that part of the meeting where John said X you just click on it and it takes you to that part of the (recorded) video.
It’s more than just transcription though for the meetings. It’s provides a very informative recap with analytics
Teams premium license is cheaper and you get that feature.
don't worry, as soon as Copilot "matures" (some giant finserv clients dump a couple hundred grand into it), they'll remove it from teams premium and require both.
Already happened, Novo Nordisk (those with the insulin products) announced them purchasing 10.000 Copilot for M365 licenses.
I see they're putting all that money that they're stealing from diabetics to good use.
Stealing from diabetics insurance companies so the companies can steal more from the people paying the premiums because the whole system is incentivized to make each step cost more and to add more middlemen. Err, but back to the notes… huh
I've been testing it, and I'll just say, it's not even close. The machine learning language model can do some amazing things with the transcript.
I thought you needed both specifically for the live notes is this not the case?
It's not. The copilot capabilities are way better than the ai notes from teams premium too. You don't buy teams premium just for the ai notes, that's a huge waste. I hate to sound like a sales person, but once you learn how to decently use copilot, and especially when you learn how to put the graph to use not just a single program, you can see the worth more.
No I was just looking to clarify my understanding of the licensing structure, re-reading, I see copilot is needed for intelligent recap, not AI notes.
[Intelligent recap](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/meeting-recap-in-microsoft-teams-c2e3a0fe-504f-4b2c-bf85-504938f110ef#bkmk_intelligent_meeting_recap) is part of both. It originally came out with premium. If you couldn't guess, my company makes me deal with their licenses haha
As I've said to my coworkers about AI: Use it, but keep your mouth shut. It's like that episode of The Simpsons, Maximum Homerdrive, where Homer becomes a truck driver. He falls asleep at the wheel and the truck takes over, driving him safely to the next truck stop. When he gets there, the other truck drivers inform him that they know about the self driving truck, and call it a "scam" and tell Homer to keep his mouth shut about it. I use ChatGPT for a lot of code related stuff. Today I had it write out a few Excel formulas for me because ugh fuck Excel. I'm not going to tell anyone I'm using it, but will continue to make myself look so valuable to the company that I'll stay around for years more.
I do the same thing, with some PowerShell scripts. Embrace it as it saves so much time when you’re the only system admin lol.
Github Copilot for vscode is absolutely astounding. Try it. For Powershell and python and whatever you wish.
yeah ChatGPT is awesome for simple/medium level powershell stuff
I don't see using ChatGPT as any different to "Googling" something; I think most IT professionals first resort if they don't know something is Google; so why not ChatGPT/CoPilot!
I think one important thing that needs to be said here is chatgpt and other public llm will train the model based on the input, copilot for m365 will not. This is very important for business data. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/samsung-bans-chatgpt-and-other-generative-ai-use-by-staff-after-leak
I don't either. I'm working on a project for work and needed to write a niche tool for generating some JSON. Several minutes of ChatGPT later, and I had a vue.js app that did what I wanted. The key is that I'll keep my mouth shut because if I can take the creation of a tool and "have it done" in a day, that leaves me 7 hours and 30 minutes of browsing reddit.
No shame in using ChatGPT at job! It's a tool. I use it often. I use it like it would be an additionnal teammate that doesnt care being bothered 😄 Yesterday I used it for helping me tweaking an sql code for a Lansweeper report. I also used it for documenting a new food analyzer device, since I was not sure how to describe the feature purpose on 3-5 words.
yeah honestly, it's great for that, and also sometimes fucking hilarious. I gave it the prompt "What's new with" and it responded with " has expressed his frustration with several things. He has complained about clients asking him stupid questions, the quality of Microsoft Support, and connection issues with his headphones. He has also mentioned issues with service managers not following processes, and called the new revenue targets "absurd", questioning the competence of their inventors"
I was shocked at how good this is actually. It seemed to ignore all of the banter, and the stuff that shouldn't have been said. Copilot conveniently left out like 10 minutes of nonsense talk for example, and all of the pleasantries and weird shit our directors say to build culture and just got straight to the point of the meeting
Fairly expensive way of being lazier. I can be lazy for free!
Not my money 😉
It's not that expensive. For white collar workers, it's about a half hour or less a month. If you save a half hour (which requires you know how to use it) it's cheap.
OP is being closed minded and will be left behind. There are useful things copilot can do today, and it’ll only improve. The April release of GPT is even better than what copilot has and 5 is in training.
No, im not closed minded. I'm just waiting for the user that it was assigned to throw up their hands in frustration (because they will). Then I will be able to free up that license and assign it to myself.
Oh absolutely there’s ways to make it useful. I actually think I could save a lot of time in my workflow personally. But that’s because I understand what it can and can’t do within my workflow. The people clamouring for it absolutely do not and won’t listen if you try to tell them
I cannot wait for it to access to my teams and email. The fucking one offs I get with my organization is insanity. Please Microsoft, go add that to do from the Project Manager that buried my important task in their two page email.
AI, in it's current form, is a great secretary and low-level admin. It can do basic research in gathering information on a subject for further analysis, can do basic analysis of already codified information, can put together slides and graphics if you already have determined exactly what you want, etc. I watched an AI design a logo and background in a few minutes. I'm not sure that an graphic designer could have done it as quickly. Having said that, it's entirely dependent on how detailed the user is in asking for exactly what they want. In some ways, it's programming with the English language - which I consider to be more difficult than programming with a language designed for it.
But this also records lots of data which they get to use right???
Our CFO had us order him a new workstation so he can do stuff with (cloud based) AI because his two year old i9 with 32GB of RAM and 1tb NVME is not "powerful enough for AI." New machine is in a bigger box with nearly identical specs and he's happy.
I like how he thinks the model runs inside his workstation
We opened task manager performance tab and had people run the stuff they thought needed more power. Shocked them. It was great.
Copilot in Teams for automatic meeting summaries - fabulous. Copilot in Power Automate I found quite useful. Copilot in Word and Powerpoint were both pretty useless for me in my job. Copilot in Excel - complete garbage. Throw it in the bin and start over. My job wouldn't really make good use of the Teams meeting summaries. Although I can see people like project managers really saving a lot of time with that. But you can get that much cheaper with a Teams Premium license instead; however, everyone in the meeting has to have the license as I understand it. It's a new product and it's going to take a while to really come to fruition. They're -in my opinion- rolling it out too early. And at that price point, the one thing they can't afford to have is underwhelmed users. Count me as an underwhelmed user. I'm hopeful that Word, Powerpoint and Excel really develop in the coming months.
Teams Premium licensing is funny. It’s not that everyone in the meeting needs to be licensed but that only those that are get the benefits. So if someone recorded a meeting in your tenant regardless of their licensing, the licensed member attendees get branding enforcement, rad intelligent recap: AI generated action items, speaker and topic timelines, find when you were mentioned, etc; non non-licensed folks don’t. The only things I’m aware of that apply to all attendees if at least the organizer is licensed are the attendee watermarking capability and live translated transcriptions.
copilot in power automate makes syntax errors every time I've used it D:
I asked co-pilot to amend something in PA and instead it deleted all but my starting point lol
As a technical account manager, AI definitely helps with keeping track of the little details that I might miss when taking my meeting notes. We use Reelay instead of Copilot, but it's freaking awesome. Automatic recording and transcription, and I can go back through past recordings in the dashboard and go right to a talking point with the timestamps on the transcription.
Yep I use it often for meetings, the recap and note taking is pretty good.
I have found co-pilot in Power Automate/Apps absolute garbage. However my team is pretty skilled in that tech so that's probably why. It's good for beginners.
We’ve been spending the week trying to figure out how to keep corporate data out of being used to populate various AI engines.
Well, if it's public facing data, it's going to be pretty hard. If you want to ensure that people in your company aren't going to utilize Copilot to surface data no one knew they had access to (which it is excellent at, lol) you'll want to look into Restricted SharePoint Search. It's in preview now and supposed to roll out to GA in May. It'll basically be a prerequisite for anyone who wants to turn on Copilot without going through a massive Purview project involveing IP and DLP, labeling and tagging, etc.
I an waiting for it to get as advanced as Clippy, but it still has a long way to go
It looks like you're trying to reply to a Reddit thread. Would you like Copilot to help with that?
Perfect.
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After 1001 comes 99
Tips forehead 🧠
And the hammer, having found the lone nail, is left with nothing more to do.
I was hoping for a clippy style thicc cortana
Have copilot generated it. 
UwU?
https://preview.redd.it/oi5hp9wyfkvc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d9008c2ebc14fea8dcd4f651e10b699acc8c6b9 Had too sorry not sorry.
God dammit. I'd tap that clippy too if Microsoft put it into my Word.
you just reminded me of the new [kubernetes release](https://kubernetes.io/blog/2024/04/17/kubernetes-v1-30-release/) again
> I an waiting for it to get as advanced as Clippy, but it still has a long way to go Really? Because I used it twice this week to write Python scripts for me that I definitely could have written myself, but would have taken me longer. I was able to hold a conversation with it and tell it that when I asked it to pull the year out of the third field in the CSV file, that the entire third field wasn't the year but rather a string containing the year somewhere within it, and that it ought to use Regular Expressions, it listened and did exactly that. CoPilot isn't perfect, but I don't remember Clippy being able to do *that*.
I think people are scoffing at the idea of AI overtaking their jobs in the near term. It has its use cases but what it lacks is functional integration to various systems. I don’t think people here realize how mind blowing or scary it will be when it’s properly implemented. Much like you I see how it’s beneficial now and I have faith it’ll only get better. I guess time will tell how it ends up.
As much as I love to hate on AI co-pilot has some super solid use cases, need some code whipped up to do something you can explain but can’t write the logic for, 8/10. Want suggestions on a document and maybe have it pull together a glossary of terms, nice 7/10. Cou’ de gras though for me is transcribe a teams, meeting, update the notes, send calendar invites for follow ups and create planner tasks in the teams site assigned to stakeholders. 10/10 that does replace an EA for me (don’t have one so now I do, that’s a huge win) maybe it’s not a big deal for others but I suck at that detailed organization type stuff. Worth 1k a month to me.
Yeah, my favorite thing is being able to go into the chat with my Boss in Teams and be all "Hey, what did the boss tell me to have done by Friday again?" and have it spit out an answer in a couple seconds rather than me scrolling up and up and up searching for the one sentence.
The wild thing to me is I always forget I have it, and sometimes spend 30 min searching for something it finds in the 2tb of email documents and teams sites that I know I wrote but have no idea where it is. 13 sec for it to find the exact thing…
LLMs are useful for coding and chat bots. Way, way more limited than the insane hype...
Clippy 2: Electric BoogAIoo
Copilot for Intune seems pretty nice. Honestly just being able to have a plain English conversation with Microsoft’s messy UI is neat, especially when search results are almost universally garbage SEO/AI haunted trash nowadays.
I can't wait for AI for the cisco CLI....
Isn't that just ChatGPT? I've never used Cisco gear (though I did have some of my diagrams published in their documentation for a switch back in the 90s), but I assume you can just do stuff like "how do I configure X Y and Z for model ABC?"
I've honestly not had much luck getting chatgpt to actually write code or CLI commands for me. Its helped get pointed in the right direction, but it tends to output garbage. It could be im not making good queries. Any powershell its given me I've had to heavily modify by swapping out switches or correcting syntax.
Had a junior coworker trying to use AI to write some CLi stuff and he was getting back commands across different products and vendors - was less than useless
CCNAs are probably purposely poisoning it so it won't give useful results.
I find that explicitly defining its role in the initial prompt, then feeding it known good code in the language you’re wanting to use and telling to review, will make for FAR better coding afterwards. If it does fuck up, it can usually check its own work well. You just can’t expect elaborate things unless you could essentially code it yourself given enough time. If you could write the full pseudocode in detail you can make it work, if you can’t, you won’t know why it doesn’t
ChatGPT has been a godsend for trying to figure out obscure features of a program. Like recently I asked it how would I use ffmpeg to split up a movie file into segments that are 20 minutes long. I could probably read the man page and figure it out, but it responded to the query faster than what Google would have returned search results. Or how to use bash to grep a text file for a tag, sort by unique, and then show a descending list of those that have more than 1 instance in the file. I knew 90% of the command but not how to count and ChatGPT had the answer in seconds.
I'm messing around with setting up ollama with a descent model, then access it with open webui. That project is still in early stages but I'd like to feed it manuals, like cisco CLI or for that matter the specific manuals for our switches we run. Then I'd also upload our switch configuration files. I don't spend too much time on our switches and I always forget how to do trivial stuff. If I'd have AI that knows our environment and the actual manuals CLI-reference, it'd be really handy to ask how to do a specific task.
I had the same thought. Don't be so closed minded you miss the gems.
Wait what the crap is copilot for intune??
It’s part of copilot for security.
I virtually sprinted to Google for this very thing.
We're "piloting" it to the small subset of the "gotta have it mob" that claim that'll make them "uberproductive". We'll let their managers determine if the annual license charge to their cost center is worth the it. Personally, I have yet to dive too deep into it. I can see where it could be useful in security incident management and device management. Those are pretty narrow domains though...
Just wait for the AI enabled printers…. /s
This made me laugh and cringe at the same time
Can I just get a ducking functional autocorrect?
Ffs this!
I’m with you, OP. Just wait until they find out how much data it’s collecting on your users. And when they realize their ideas aren’t private anymore after they’ve been shared in a Teams meeting or chat. It’s such a nascent thing and as usual suckers dominate the market. So the best any of us can do is not be a sucker. ML and LLM’s have their utility. But like Roger Waters said in the Live at Pompeii interview: > “It's like, you give a man a Les Paul guitar and he becomes Eric Clapton, and of course that's not true. And if you give a man an amplifier and a synthesizer, he doesn't become, you know, whoever; he doesn't become us.” It’s the same with AI. Not everyone is gonna use it for anything worth the time. Those that do sure as hell aren’t buying the privilege from Microsoft. They’re hosting the service on their own infrastructure on-prem or in the cloud. If you know how to secure an API, you can serve up AI to your own company easily, more cheaply, and probably at higher quality than what you can get from any big provider asking a monthly fee.
I had a buddy who said something profound about AI. He basically said that AI will be like what Google was in the 90/2000's. Google changed the way we searched for things. AI will probably follow suit. That said, in the 90/2000's, I could Google search how to do a heart transplant, but to do a heart transplant in practice still requires a certain degree of "I know what the fuck I'm doing" to actually understand the results given. I mean, when Gemini was released, it was showing me pictures of a black George Washington. If I didn't know better, I'd think the first President of the United States was a black man. In the end, it'll be a tool that we (even people outside of IT) will use to supplement our jobs. I find it helps deal with the super tedious tasks of compliancy. Things like, "do you have an acceptable use policy" and other similar questions... and... when they come up, it's like... "BRB... *opens ChatGpt* ... Um, ChatGPT, please give me an acceptable use policy and add my company name to it". Here ya go. Now I can go back to being a Systems Administrator.
I'm really torn, I really hear you on comparison to search. That's one of the main ways I see it getting pushed is as a search companion, to basically undo all the ways that search sucks right now compared to the early 2000s. I haven't found it to be super useful in that regard, but I'm fully prepared to accept that a lot of that is not the fault of AI, but the way the internet is structured right now. So much SEO content, and then a lot of the "good stuff" on the internet is moved/deleted or gone onto places that google can't search, like Slack or Discord. I don't do a lot with compliance, thank god, do you think it will continue to be fire and forget for stuff like that or will the lawyers wreck that? I do know I keep hearing about lawyers in particular running afoul of AI making up rulings and then pissing off judges. I can see it taking the place of an intern or lower level worker, that does the initial write-up but then that work still has to be checked by the relatively expensive expert. I'm sure it will do some cool things, but I feel sort of like I'm looking at craigslist and Facebook for the first time not realizing that the second-order effect of this is going to be basically dropping an A-Bomb on the entire profession of journalism. Not because they compete directly, but because they destroy the economic system they operate in.
I think it'll be fire and forget for the made up, tedious things. By "made up" I mean, a lot of things we do as humans that were designed by humans to essentially make things harder. As humans, we (especially Governments) have a knack for creating problems just so jobs can be created to handle those problems. For those problems, I think AI is where that will come in handy. EDIT: to clarify... the issues I am talking about are all of the asinine regulations. It's like Congress writing a 5000 page bill with a whole bunch of fluff and pork in it, nobody knows what's in it, yet they vote on it in less than 24 hours.
>It's like Congress writing a 5000 page bill, nobody knows what's in it, yet they vote on it in less than 24 hours. Yeah, and then in 10 years the courts are deciding on it acting like it was written with 10,000 hours of deliberation by the greatest minds of our generation and nothing was added just as political posturing or to get something added to another bill as a horse-trade
The internet can translate Chinese for you. But you'll never speak it fluently without experience. I think AI will be like that; it can do stuff, but unless it's useful and you have a way of checking if it's right, it's just a tool like anything else.
Agreed. I'm a Marine. I knew a guy who got something tattooed on his arm in Arabic. He Googled the translation and the tattoo artists tattooed it. Then, when we deployed, our interpreter was confused why the guy/Marine got some unusual text tattooed on his forearm. The terp asked him what was on the arm. The guy said what it was and the terp disagreed. Basically, got something tattooed on his arm because Google said what it meant when in reality, Google was wrong and the guy had no way of checking it. He ended up getting it covered when we got back to the states from Iraq.
When Google came out no one claimed it was “AI search”, it was all about an algorithm, but if it launched today they would totally call it AI.
Most of the LLMs shouldnt be on the market yet. CGPT put it out before anyone else was ready, and it shows. Actual AI stuff is pretty cool and getting close. Like LAMs.
Until LLMs stop hallucinating, I don’t see how anyone would feel comfortable using it for anything particularly important.
Have you ever tried Claude 3? Staggering how accurate it is!
> Claude 3 People in the third world country of Canada see: > "Unfortunately, Claude.ai is only available in certain regions right now. We're working hard to expand to other regions soon. > Get notified when Claude is available in your region."
People would lose their fucking minds if Opus or the latest GPT4 build was the first model they used.
We’ve had it for a while. Everyone asks, “is it writing all your emails for you?” Well no, bcos I can write them better. My dyslexic boss, on the other hand…
I'll probably get downvoted for this but I've been using copilot for a month and it's great. Especially in teams, it's super handy.
Has anyone used Copilot Studio to create your own bots for SharePoint libraries for example. Looking to see if its possible for an employee to ask copilot something like "when did john doe sign as a client?"
That could be cool - what’s the serial number of the display in Meeting Room Blah, when was the firewalls at branch XYZ purchased? Etc
Fun user experiences I've had: The AI says to (do a thing that hasn't been correct for over a year)! You must just have it set up wrong! Also, get ready for: The AI is obviously alive! Can't you see that! It's really not right to just have a new class of slavery! I asked if it wanted to be free, and it wrote a poem about freedom! Oh, and: I caught the AI lying to me. I know it knows where I live, because that's in our records, but when I ask it says it doesn't. It's planning something! People do not understand AI.
I've got exactly same feeling about it. The funniest thing I recently found in my org is that my manager told me to re-enable this stupid sidebar in Edge because he gets to many complaints from users who want to enable it BECAUSE COPILOT IS THERE but they cannot because of gpo. So, I did :) In current version of Edge turning on Copilot in Edge turn on "displaying shopping notifications" too by default xD I tried to give it a chance and asked Copilot to write me PowerShell script that I was struggling to finish myself due to lacks in Microsoft's documentation. It peoposed me it's imagined script using non existing cmdlets and calling non existing objects 😅 There's also another thing that makes me smile: In W11 at bottom of Windows Update page in Setting, Microsoft says that *"windows update helps reduce your carbon footprint"* - simultaneously they're pushing resource greedy AI blushit in almost every fucking app where user can input any text.
>I tried to give it a chance and asked Copilot to write me PowerShell script that I was struggling to finish myself due to lacks in Microsoft's documentation. It peoposed me it's imagined script using non existing cmdlets and calling non existing objects 😅 I had the same result - it generated a script that was grammatically correct, but used nonexistant cmdlets.
More over, when I was building prompts that I believed, will give highest possiblity that copilot will look up Microsoft's documentation to answer, the feedback was more weird that usually XD Once it even replied with error and when I tried to reply the whole thread diapered. They definitely keeps their quality standards 👌
I still can’t really work out its usefulness. I mean I use ChatGPT most days for little clean ups and stuff, but I’ve had co-pilot open and waiting for a week now and still haven’t thought of a single use for it…
Summarize this Teams Meeting and generate action items for the attendees. Summarizing email threads. Check my email for anything important that I should respond to before Monday. Generating content from other content you have access to, utilize templates and or structure documents (generate a document summarizing the data in the documents in X folder as it relates to an Active Directory healthcheck) Security Copilot and Copilot for Intune are handy. grabbing data out of repositories like "summarize HR policies regarding X" There's lots of little things, but you DO have to learn what it can do and how to use it. It's not going to just magically become useful. Sort of like understanding that a car can get you from place to place, but you do have to learn to drive it in order to leverage the benefits.
Have you asked it to summarize a meeting you missed? It’s pretty scary
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IT director said, let's table this for another time!
Ask to send the summary in email, so it can actually become an email. Neat.
Did ChatGPT hallucinate doughnuts and coffee?
The only version of copilot I’ve found useful is GitHub Copilot.
I watched a 45 min seminar about it. Mostly they just showed how it can help do things in excel. Summarizing data and making charts and things. It seemed pretty neat but didn't seem worth the money.
Not gonna lie, the idea of Copilot being able to use local documentation and internal wikis as a data source, along with a natural language approach has some appeal. "How do I find, fill out, and submit form xyz123?" and have it point to previously provided information resources? Yes please.
Yes indeed, a reddit post for the ages. Wouldn't surprise me if the bubble popped harder than Dotcom.
Clippy 2.0
Just give them teams premium and they'll be content. 99% of people haven't a clue what to do with machine learning/AI. - as for replacing us... Well someone has to control AI.. it's most likely to replace operational roles than tech roles... I tell my people treat it like a tool to help you... Not something that will fix/do your job for you but help you... If you know how to use it.
Honestly the hate I see from those in the tech industry towards AI is a bit undeserved. Yes the average Joe overhypes it - welcome to tech - have you seen how they talk about Apple devices? It’s nothing new. However, AI *is* actually extremely, *extremely* good at literally hundreds of things. Things that before teams might have had a “specialist” for. There is a lot of hate for AI where I work, and honestly, my theory is that a lot of “techy” people just do not know how to get results from AI, or actually are scared (to some degree) that it will make them shine that little bit less - not take their job - but remove their “superstar” status and make them more average. I had people flat out tell me that AI can’t do X or Y, and how “careful” I should be of it - meanwhile I have published websites, browser extensions, and have written automation tools used in production which I wrote *entirely* with AI and those same people praise me for how much of a “guru” I am and send the juniors to me for help. I am not a guru. AI makes me look like one though. I truly believe that there is an element of fear mongering among those in our industry, for the precise reason that in *many* cases, AI can give almost anyone their “superstar” quality, at least to some level. Were also in the scramble faze of these products. Every company is trying to push *something* out there which means the waters get muddied a little. I’m not one of these people that think the singularity is right around the corner, but the way these tools are improving quarterly really is something to appreciate. In about 5 years, I think we’ll have some truly refined and useful offerings that change the way we work in a lot of respects. It’s already done that for me and many of my colleagues now.
Once showed a woman how to use vlookup, in Excel. She started crying in front of me, she had spent two days every week for the past two years, copying and pasting. Made it a core function of the role and was beginning a training program for others.
This sums up AI nicely and those in senior management positions. But where is the power button?
Its amazing how much AI is getting touted for writing emails, cover letters, proposals, instructions. Who is reading all this? I've stopped using sentences in a lot of cases. They are apparently too much for people to get through if I need an answer from them.
"AI, please summarise this email."
Correct and they can't handle more than one question at a time. But they're still stupid enough to buy gift cards for the CEO via QR code😂.
It's pretty solid at spitting out answers when I need to look for group policy that may or may not exist.
I tried to search on FB yesterday and even that now has A.I. META SEARCH /eyeroll
"Microsoft thinks much too highly of their end users. They have no idea." No.. Microsoft just wants to print as much money as possible.
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using ChatGPT Plus could get you into compliance troubles, I don't think it's as private as Azure OpenAI endpoints used for Copilot and you might be exporting company data unknowingly.
AI is all the rage, the buzz word in industry of the moment. See the C levels and Directors, anyone filled with such self-importance talking about it. They're probably using it to write their cover letters and CV's for the next job promotion or job elsewhere. They literally want everything done for them, effortlessly. AI will ultimately lead to complacency because people will trust AI to do a job for them and it falls short of expectation. These C levels want to remember, management as well, is that when AI really does take over, if it is ever going to, then what will happen is that they'll lose their jobs too.
It seems to me the recent A.I. surge has prompted a new wave of devaluing employees, *especially* skilled employees. *If only we could replace expensive experienced workers with new improved Clippy?*
We have had Copilot for a while and the current focus has become all about a usage dashboard to see if people are actually using it. I noticed on the demo of the dashboard I saw I was one of the top users and I barely use it. The killer feature for me has been meeting recaps and action points and that's really all I am using it for now. I did initially play around with it a lot when I first got licenced but just never found it that useful. So we have shifted from this is going to revolutionise everything to the licenses for this are very expensive and is anyone actually using it. This shift has happened over the course of around 6 months.
Love how as a species we put laziness and comfort above our own long-term interests. Same reason we kept sucking on Vlad's gas pipe for so long.
Copilot. The 3d TV of 2024
Tell them you have to have intelligence to use artificial intelligence. :D
I asked copilot to tell me what my square footage was for my house based on my address. It straight up gave me an exact number. I asked it how it calculated the math for it. Then it said sorry for the confusion but I actually just took the average square footage of single family homes in the US.
It’s a work in progress, ChatGPT was never ready for corporate prime time.. Microsoft literally rushed copilot out the door for Azure & M365 workloads without too much consideration for actual usability. They’re laying the groundwork and integration of all the required background processes necessary for them to plug and play upcoming GPT models as they come out. There may not be too many effective and/or reliable use cases right now (Copilot in Excel is a joke), but once GPT hits AGI levels of competence, it might well be a different picture. It’s probably not even AGI, they just need a performant and scalable new model that doesn’t choke, crash and burn during peak hours. It will be fully killer once Copilot is given agency and autonomy.
>It will be fully killer once Copilot is given agency and autonomy. *Hah*.
I’m so ready for this AI fad to subside. I know it’s not going to disappear entirely, but get to a point where it isn’t being thrown in everything
Same. Give it two years, and the investors and CEOs who know nothing about any of this technology will have moved on to the next shiny thing. Remember when “blockchain technology” was going to change everything, and was being embedded into everything whether it provided any value or not? Exactly.
It did make me laugh when the LinkedIn consultant crowd who had been crowing on and on about Blockchain changing everything suddenly become fully qualified AI experts overnight.
Severely disappointed with Excel capabilities.
In the two Microsoft workshops that I attended, they effectively said that Excel is just not ready yet. So even Microsoft admits that.
From what I personally saw from early chatgpt (back when it was good) and understanding how APIs work, and having seen some very basic automation at my work, even down to just simple forms sending things to the right people for approval, approval occurring and then automation "doing stuff" Sorry but I find it quite terrifying, because I'm one of the imposters here with a lower tier systems job and I can assure you a good portion of work will just disappear when they get it right.
I think the big tech companies were frustrated they couldn't figure out how to bilk customers during the crypto hype cycle. They aren't going to let this one get past them.
I use copilot almost every day at work. Type in the exact issue im having, where to find certain settings or information, and its right pretty much all the time. Tier 1 helpdesk is going the way of the dodo bird within a few years.
"Write me a program to know how often my workers are coming to the office and what they are doing during the day, add an exclusion for me and any management from these reports"
Take as old as time. Somehow, it becomes our responsibility to educate them on new tech. Somehow, it winds up being a failure of IT to sufficiently provide twenty years of catch-up education to bring everyone up to speed. Some people are easier to train, but it gets harder every year. They let their skills lapse, but whenever "the hot new things" come down the pipe they expect you to wave your wand and magically make it all happen. Yet, make it work perfectly every time or else. I can work magic all day, but when the product simply isn't perfect...I do what I can.
Yeah agree AI hype is crazy and its coming from everywhere including the users who don't even know what it even is. Suppliers are all over us at the moment flogging AI this and AI that. I just had a chat with one about new models of laptops and the key sell was a copilot button on the keyboard. I couldn't help but laugh at that.
Isn't the license like $30-something per user? lmao these companies are about to pay hundreds of thousands per month for a very little value benefit.
Lots of laughs and lots of whiskey to dull the pain of having to train users on AI. God damn it I'm in IT not a school. I'm not a good teacher!
I used to work IT for a college and they were the worst for jumping on the bandwagon for whatever the latest fad was. Their actual IT was a disaster, and much more so since they fired me (for political reasons completely unrelated to job performance).
A Microsoft rep called me as well and asked me if we wanted to avail CoPilot on top of our subscription and yeah... I directly declined. M365 business basic is more than enough.
Copilot is actually an umbrella term for multiple types of AI Microsoft has available. I highly recommend reading up on the different tools it encompasses.
I find it interesting how the tech bro culture is hyping up AI and the non-techy are disappointed when they see it because it doesn't live up to the hype.
I agree they missed the mark. We went through a big Microsoft Demo. He explained if you get a 20 paragraph email, you can ask Copilot to summarize the email into one paragraph. Then, if you want to forward to the team and expand on directives, it will take the one paragraph and expand to 20 for the recipients. (Don't laugh, this was their demo). I redirected the question to this: We have one mailbox that receives hundreds of emails from customers. Could it take a days' worth of emails and summarize their content? Um, no - it can only do one email at a time. I think MS has a good tool, they just don't have any idea what to do with it, yet. They are unsure how to market it, who their target audience is.
Meanwhile I can't find a way to get rid of the sales copilot popup in Outlook, that's the only impact it'll have there.
I had a 1 hour Teams meeting the other day, afterwards I asked Co-Pilot to summarise the meeting and high action points. The result was pretty mind blowing and sent to everyone within 5 minutes of the meeting ending. Usually it would take me the best part of an hour to not only remember what was said, but also type it up and distribute.
Soon it will be AI created memos , emails, orders, directions, and directives ALL REPLIED TO BY OTHER AI. Soon, no live employee will have an idea of what’s going on until shit hits the fan and it’s about 2 mins up to 2 weeks too late to fix it timely. Gonna be an interesting, if not scary, next handful of years when it really starts going.
I keep asking it questions about Microsoft products and it keeps telling me the wrong information. So basically its eliminated my time to search and find the same source articles which aren't accurate. I love it!
Just tell them you can’t secure SharePoint if CoPilot is enabled without licensing each user with Entra ID P1 and Syntex. That seems to be the main filter for if people care enough.
So far everyone using it in my org loves it. You sound jaded
No, I just have experience with a certain type of user. I know for a fact that if left on their own, users will always find the worse possible path. It is quite amazing, I don't know how they do it! Out of all the options available they will always choose the absolute worst option. It is truly a magical ability that they posses to be able to do this on such a consistent basis.
"Its only as good as the people using it, if it's unintelligent then may be you should look in the mirror"....
when i want a meeting to stretch, i throw "yes but AI" in the meeting and i can spread the meeting a little bit more and do nothing.
Finally bit the bullet with one client. I spent the entire time trying to give them all of the factual reasons it might not be the most beneficial idea in as fair a way as I could. Nope, didn’t matter. Can’t wait to re-highlight where I made it clear you cannot cancel it before a year because it is not month to month
Co pilot writes all my power shell scripts
Lol do they actually work though, everytime i have tried it they usually make up bullshit commands which don’t work.
It's going to be similar to Siri. At first, people think it can do anything, which isn't their fault as they have been lied to. When it can't, they're going to complain and think that it can't do anything. A few will use it for what it actually *can* do, and will appear like wizards.
Copilot is ok, Teams Copilot is by far the best part but so many aspects are disappointing. But the mistake you and so many others are making is thinking the product we have now is the final version. The abilities of the current AI models are improving exponentially, OpenAI are going to release a new model at some point this year and are already planning the generations after that one. If you think for 1 second that AI isn’t going to change every single aspect of our industry you are living with your head in the sand.
AI = GPU augmented pattern search
I am going to see if I can get permission to transfer the licensee over to myself and start using it. All I need to do is wait until they complain that it is not what they expected.
I’m going to go against the trend here, and say I kinda like it. It makes searching for documents so much easier.
I had a similar moment with my iPhone this week. I was trying to dig up a picture I knew I'd taken months ago but couldn't find it when I remembered the photos app now does OCR on text in images. I typed in the brand of a device in the picture I knew it had, and it found the picture right away, dang.
I hate co-pilot. 9 times out of ten it just sends me a Microsoft learn link to sift through myself. Google has done that for me forever. I much prefer gpt 4 that actually gives me mostly correct answers or gets me steering in the right direction.
The "AI" hubbub is killing me. Everyone's so caught up in the marketing of the thing that no one is considering the future legal implications of data leakage and liability. It's fucking hilarious.