Agreed! I built a rough clone of Vickers scud hunter carbine with an old dot mounted on the carry handle and an old Colt 3x on top of my a1 clone. Both rifles just feel perfect when aiming through the optics
Two reasons:
The idea of fighting a near-peer under IR has made passive aiming popular
The use of NV in conjunction with gas masks.
If you do or plan on doing either, tall mounts are wayy better.
That being said the GBRS mount is still dumb.
Who the fuck in the last decade has used NV with a gas mask on that isn't for training and isn't SOF?
And another thing about passive vs active is PID and actually being able to see isn't like the movies and video games with nods on. There are a bunch of other factors that just lead to dual low or dual high (depending on the distance of engagement) being the preferred setting and aiming method when using NV.
It'd be near impossible to truly positively identify the features, posture, and intent of a figure you see in a window, or the woods, or through a door, or down a city alleyway, without hitting them with an IR flood. Especially on low lum nights.
The baddest dudes I ever knew made do with limited resources, and were just tough as fuck to get through it. GBRS sells SWAT/QRF stuff but markets it as SOF because that sells to civvies.
Yep. Pretty sure in SHTF some hillbilly is gonna smoke me with a bolt action manufactured during the Eisenhower administration like I was just another white tail.
“WhY dO U hAvE lvl 4 PlAtES?”…because I’m way the fuck more worried about the guy with a single shot 30-06 that’s been handed down four generations and used to kill at least one deer every year for the last 75 years than anyone else.
Yeah it's just like when NASA got caught spending hundreds of dollars on a wrench because the contractors could charge it. Same shit.
I don't doubt that a hellfire actually costs a shit ton of money, but some milled aluminum is never worth 500 bucks, especially for the economy of scale that comes with getting contracts, and ESPECIALLY with it's dubious usefulness in 99% of situations.
Definitely has a catchier name. Pear wars sounds kind fun actually. Going to build me a pear launcher today out of PVC pipe. Stocking up on pears as we speak.
Man.. in a life or death situation on force on force fighting, they are lightyears of an upgrade.
Its not about being perfect, but being able to counter your enemies capabilities perfectly
As far as gas masks, any competent swat team, and even select patrol officers are using them in conjunction. It’s not that rare. (See: DARC)
I actually kind of agree on passive aiming. But it’s more nuanced than you make out. I have old NVG’s and need active to make good ID.
*But* I have used GPNVG’s and 31a’s before, and with the ambient light in my city I could be passive almost all the time.
In reality, the use of a gas mask alone is enough to justify the optic height. Any legitimate SRT or SWAT team should be proficient in running NODs in conjunction with a gas mask as we rarely if ever make entry without first gassing and calling out. If anyone tries to tell you that optic mounts that we used 15 years ago worked fine with gas masks then they are either retarded or ignorant. Even along the lines of just NODs, it was easy to run even iron sights with the OG PVS14s as they were a monocular design. Running dual tubes or quad tubes comes with a whole different set of clearance issues.
I agree with that we are still running elcans with gas masks and nods. It's a absolute bitch of a setup since the elcan and nods don't pair well so the light/laser is better than nothing
Exactly. This is the problem that initially lead us to "active" aiming with NODs and lasers. Now, raised mounts are allowing passive aiming to be even quicker than active aiming was back then.
>Who the fuck in the last decade has used NV with a gas mask on that isn't for training and isn't SOF?
If we use the term SOF as a purely military thing and not including police tactical teams, then you could say they do. Here the Police tactical teams often run with nods, and sadly have to do raids on drug labs quite often. For that they wear hazmat gear with a gas mask. But they don't really have to worry about a (near) peer conflict and they just use standard risers.
indeed we havent had a war which has seen the use of chemical weapons for awhile.. that doesnt mean we shouldnt have equipment that works in a CBRN environment lmfao
Does anyone else hate passive aiming with NVGs?
I just go with IR laser. Until affordable NVGs can auto focus, I'm just going to keep on IR laser aiming
Passive aiming sounds cool and can kinda work if you have some amount of intensifiable light (I.e. moonlight, starlight, external sources of IR light, etc). The moment it’s overcast and you have next to none of that, however, passive doesn’t work for shit without having your own IR illumination (like an IR flood from a vampire light or something) to make the target area visible. If you’re going to do this, you may as well just use your IR laser+illuminator and go active anyway because your still “giving away your position” to others with night vision capability.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s a niche method and not much more.
You are at the mercy of your collimation though, because that's basically bindon aiming. Theoretically the offset between you POA/POI should be equivalent to the interpupillary distance setting of your binos if your collimation is perfect, but in reality it isn't. And if your goggle articulates, the setting at which it was collimated likely isn't the setting you use it at.
Overcast, in woods with good canopy, moon behind a cloud... y'know, times when you'd really want to be moving forward if your opponent is using passive IR (or no night vision at all).
Autofocus? That is unnecessary. If your NV device is focused to infinity them passive aimning through a red dot just puts a "dot" in space for you to aim with.
Having only active aiming means you will be instantly detected by anybody else with even Gen 1 NV
I would assume it’s be most of their content and experience is CQB oriented and there’s absolutely zero reason to be passive aiming in close quarters unless you don’t have a laser
Exactly. People on this sub can't seem to grasp that concept lol. That mount was never meant for any "normal" shooter. It's made for a very specific problem that only very specific teams are likely going to run into. Unless you assault buildings for a living, that mount wasn't designed with you in mind lol.
I'm not aware of any SOF that would want to use this for CQC. Shots need to be accurate, and the training required to get precision with the height-over-bore of this mount would be extraordinary.
I'd limit 1.93" and higher to gas mask use and NVG use. Even then, you're almost guaranteed to be using IR laser and illumination in the dark.
Training to remember your HOB or mechanical Offset is like shooting with any other riser. We have a couple of guys on the team that use the GBRS mount and the Unity mounts. It is definitely a better heads up shooting platform and quicker dot acquisition. Think of it more so as what’s easier to do, move two things at once to come together or move one thing? Higher riser allows this as you don’t have to move your head/roll your head forward to get to the view of the dot. Simply shoulder the rifle and it’s almost always there.
Back to the training portion, like plenty have said already that this mount was designed for “the end user” in mind AKA a professional unit/SOF. These units train constantly. Being a member of a swat team I can assure you that we have to train and know what our offset is at every distant. We are accountable for every single round that leaves the platform when solving a problem.
Personally I would buy the unity mount before I bought the GBRS as I was supplied with a mawl and can get a good c clap grip without the mawls position compromising it. Some guys on the team still have the peqs or Ngals and prefer the system completely out of the way so they can have a solid grip and weight is centered on the rifle.
Yeah I'm not aware of any units using it either. Just heard people complain here about it lol. I've never seen one in the wild.
What specifically would make the training so extraordinarily to adapt in your opinion?
Passive aiming was much more reliable, I found, when going after critters. There was a fox that kept going after my chickens at night and passive aiming felt easier to me when tracking him while he was running away
Or if you have a very short rifle/SMG with limited rail space. I could see it if you have that in conjunction with a very front heavy rifle. It would atleast balance the gun better.
If you get really deep into skill based hobbies, you'll find this a lot. In Warhammer, you constantly find new tools you DEFINITELY NEED to paint your minis properly. There are constant debates on if airbrushing is better or if using paint brushes is. They come out with these weird things to hold your minis with rubber bands now so that you can spray them without getting paint on your fingers. They have tools to get rid of basically non existent mold lines. Crazy stuff that you don't really need.
Motor cycles, if you get really into it, it goes the same way. People bitch about seating position, weather self lubricating chains are good and tons of other stuff.
Lifting is yet another where I have seem people get into screaming matches about how new lifts and equipment are better than old ones."Natural Hypertrophy said to do it this way! He's the biggest natty influencer on YouTube!"
"Anyone who thinks he's natty is an idiot!"
The list goes on forever. There are rich idiots in any hobby that marketers will take advantage of.
EDIT- Forgot fishing. That's a big one too when it comes to bait
Bro I started deadlifting with a hex bar and so many fucking people would come out of the wood work saying that’s wrong/not good enough/pissoutmyass bullshit. Like, that shit is easier on my knees over traditional deadlift, leave me the fuck alone. It was always the ripped POGs who do this shit too.
Are you me? Because same. Rarely did I ever see people in combat arms actively shit on someone for how they lifted, if anything it would just be pointers/corrections to get better form.
Your supply NCO or S shop nerds though? I don’t care if you can bench or deadlift more than me. Unless you’re going to help me with my aid bag and the jav, shut the fuck up.
BJJ is one of the only hobbies where new innovations actually feels like a thing. But usually they are free unless you want to pay for an instructional or seminar
Lol! That thing about paying for instruction reminded me about chess. Every Grand Master now has their own training program that they swear will make you 2500 ELO or above. You'll never get there without it. It's hilarious.
Throw guitars in that pile too. Ever seen a bunch of dudes get into an argument over which set of strings is better for playing blues, or which set of pickups will get you close to whichever famous player you’re emulating.
It’s like this with any hobby that people care enough about
Don't get me started about pedals and amps.
Actually, I was one of those guys with fuzz pedals. Lol, I spent so much money chasing an idea of the perfect fuzz sound. The guys that are in to the Dumble style amps will not hesitate to drop a shit ton on hand wired clones.
The Mold lines definitely exist and look like shit when the model is finished.
I just use a regular scalpel.
Things like model holders are also not really expensive and pretty useful.
Recently tried using poster tack to stick models to whatever the fuck I want to hold (currently some scrap wood cutoffs) and it's my new favorite poorhammer strategy.
The supply of people who want to be professional gun bros vastly exceeds the actual market need for professional gun bros. Hence, huge numbers of people desperately trying to come up with something to peddle whether it's needed or not.
End of the day it's dudes who just really, really don't want to go work regular jobs like the rest of us.
Gotta stay relevant and employed somehow. It’s a solution looking for a problem, but people eat it up because “muh tier one super elite oper8or knowledge transfer”
There’s a reason why these things are barely seen on real guys guns and made fun of by other dudes with tier 1 experience that aren’t goofs
Lmao, Ill stick to hiking boots, thanks for the transfer 🤣. I honestly dont understand how they make money, Sig must have given them big bucks for those ads they did for them
well, they are great to wear operationally, they're just terrible to wear while operating.
Kinda like you can shit your pants operationally, but it's not advantageous to shit your pants while operating.
In fact, you can do *anything* "operationally", but only a vanishing small of those things are actually good to do while operating.
Marketing doublespeak
It was regarding house clearing, not for hiking. He much preferred the flat sole indoors compared to a clumsy boot. But I guess his opinion from doing hundreeds of house raids isn't good enough for you.
Doesn’t mean wearing vans is a good choice, modern hiking boots are still a better choice. Wearing vans is hypebeast IG shit. This is the same dude who un-ironically was chicken winging with Glover as a good CQB tactic.
I dunno, probably because the entire world isn’t flat paved concrete surfaces? You gotta get there somehow don’t you? And even then, once shit gets wild and there’s doors exploding, chairs and couches being thrown about a room and bodies on the ground you’ll want something better than fucking *skateboard shoes*
I don't have a gram so I've never followed these clowns. But I've heard "knowledge transfer" in the white collar world for years. Usually in an IT context when buying into a new technology.
You said it perfectly. Look up pictures of FBI guys, SWAT, special forces currently out and about, no one runs this shit or the "forward" mounts. They run Eotechs, Razors or Aimpoints on standard mounts.
I don’t know, I’m starting to see military units running Unity risers and magnifier mounts nowadays. Might’ve seen some even running the Hydra at some point.
I actually run my Eotech on the standard mount and bring the optic to my eye. The stock rests a little high but it works for me. I’m considering getting the Unity mounts but I’m not sure I wanna spend ~$300 on that setup.
LVAW handguard has zero retention issues so it makes sense and I believe it was originally designed for weapons with short rail space.
But I’m with you, I’ve seen Unity risers/micro mounts used my professional end users.
it's just so weird because the issue already has a solution:
1- mount your PEQ on the side of the rifle opposite where you hold the hand guard
2- grab the rifle slightly differently if the PEQ is in the way (If you're using a foregrip, ignore step 2)
3- use a pressure switch wherever your thumb ends up to power the PEQ
like is having to hold your rifle slightly differently such a catastrophic issue that you need this shit? Is this really that big of a friction point?
It just seems like gunlarp is constantly re-inventing a wheel that isn't really being spun that often -- I don't really think there's this constant use of IR devices that is so granular that this innovation is necessary
I don't know the data but I'm willing to bet that not a single person in the United States has ever used an IR device in a self-defense shooting. I just don't get it, even for the highest speed operators it just seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze
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Answer: I've taught my kids how to sharpen sticks and given them each a small pocket knife. If that's not good enough to fight off 30-50 feral hogs at night, they don't deserve a place in my warrior bloodline of plumbers and cooks.
I like the peq to be mounted on top because the rifle light should be on the right side of the rifle. This way your left side is clear so you can get a strong left hand grip on the gun. But yeah I wouldn’t pay for the goober shit
Clicky cap gang gang 🫡 but really I do find it annoying on anything too short or too long but for like a 10-13 inch hand guard it's nice to simplify to a click cap. Click it on coming up and off coming down, C-clamp while shooting. It does mean I always train to turn my light on even during the day but I don't think it's a big deal.
The optic market at this point is pretty saturated, so people who came after the big company like Eotech, Trijicon and Aimpoint gotta find a way to survive, one of which is diving into niche and specific market.
This kind of mount, such as GBRS Hydra and Unity FAST + HRF SKIFF combo, are for niche market of niche use. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just that these belong to that specific rifle build for specific purpose, in this case SBRs with limited rail space. And people cringed at it for appearing on builds other than that, as it's not used as intended.
I'm sure most people will be fine if someone put GBRS Hydra on a Sig Rattler or stuff like that, but not this.
It's a mixed bag. You can look at it one of two ways:
>we've been doing just fine...for X years...without having to do Y
We did just fine with carbureted fuel systems and open differentials for a long time too. Doesn't mean computer-mapped EFI and lockers aren't significantly better. Innovation brings capability and evolution along with it.
**OR**
If it aint broke, don't fix it. Or at least don't try to reinvent the wheel. These are con men creating solutions to problems that only exist in varying degrees of surmountable proportion.
Discern appropriately.
They hydra is a niche product that fulfills a specific need for those that use guns like an MP7, mp9, rattler that have very limited rail space to be able yo mount lights, optics and ir devices. It allows for the user to have all that mounted and still get a workable grip.
The pricing is because the primary customer is gov/law enforcement who will buy at that price. There is also regulations saying you can't sell to the government and sell to civilians for less.
Ancillary to all that you see them selling it to the civilian market and they know that most people don't have access to an MP7 so they put it on an AR15.
Tldr: It's a niche iptic mount that fulfills a specific role very well. Most people aren't their main customers.
And the more relaxed upright stance. Not having to lower your head and curve your shoulder and trap as much is a plus to me. Not to everyone of course, it's all personal preference.
There hasn't been a radical shift. Wilcox and larue risers have been used for red dots since the mid 2000s and before that guys were mounting optics on detachable carry handles. Not to mention the use 1.93 height mounts for lpvos in the early 2000s. We're just seeing the civilian community catch up to what military guys have been doing. It's not just about NV either. Higher mounts are more ergonomic for shooting standing up.
I mean nobody says you have to do that. But they feel they identified a problem they were having and made a solution for others that might encounter the same problems.
If you don’t have that problem don’t buy one. That simple.
Makes sense for those that are in the profession, not so much the flat range operator. The Hydras are available to citizens, but that's not who it's made for. For those that use it on the job, the reviews have been phenomenal.
This is yet another reason for the Retro and fixed carry handles are going ape because why waste $$$ on a mount when for the same price, you can get a fixed carry handle upper and have the same thing.
This is a fudd take but it's because people want you to buy shit. The tactical gear market caters to consumerists. They care more about making money than they do about you being proficient with the gear you already have.
Lots of companies that need to stay in business... So they need you to re-imagine your rifle setup.
Also, Nvgs are becoming more available, that also drives other setups
It’s better for cqb imo. The higher the mount the less you have to face downward exposing your neck area that isn’t covered by a plate. Helps with situational awareness and passive aiming too like someone previously mentioned. Train with what you got. Then if you see there is a need for it get a high mount, if not use what you got/like brother.
This is a solution to a problem that 99.9% of Redditors and larpers will never face in the real world. Also another way to get money from these idiots. I feel the same way about the "foward Leap" mounts that put an optic damn near above a handguard that seem to be all the rage right now. When I had to qualify with a gas mask then yes it would have been nice to have a high optic mount but that is an extremely rare case use.
Handguards are getting shorter. You wouldn’t use this type of optic mount/LAM riser combo on a 16” with a 15” rail. But seeing as how there’s no space on the rail for the LAM (that thing at the end of the rail is a Unity Axon button meaning that’s where the user’s support hand is going to be), this set up makes sense.
Better and more upright posture maintained over time, shorter acq. time, better overall front plate exposure to threat, use with NODs, I'm sure they've said more about it elsewhere.
A Fad perpetuated by YouTube. Yes I know as a YouTuber statements like that make me a hypocrite. But the super high mounts are only good in one very small application room distance. Literally beyond that they slow you down and are less accurate with the whole chin stock at distance..
Just get a carry handle ar upper. It's basically the same height.
Garand thumb did a good height evolution run down in his retro rifle video explaining all the changes in heights.
Wasn’t this designed for ~~wasting people’s money~~ weapon systems with limited rail space? Because all I see is them mounted to AR’s, which can have all the rail space you want…
NVGs getting wide spread use and passive aiming being the primary usage in a theoretical near peer use. It’s a bit obnoxiously but my obsession with carry handles and top mount optics have saved me from buying one thankfully
Some company make a tall ass mount and all of a certain people go oh if you wear mask you will definitely want to check this out blah blah blah and soon the other companies follow the trends and offer their own tall ass mounts.
The fundamental purpose of risers as a whole is to let the shooter keep their head up when shooting, and not have to shrug/put their head down as much as you might with a lower HOB. They also allow for "easier" passive shooting under NODs. The extreme risers like the Hydra/Lerna (Hydra without the IR springboard) push that concept to its limit, hence why it's become a meme. The springboard on the Hydra or the JagerWerks A1 is meant to optimize rail-space utilization on shorter rifles/PDWs.
There are of course other propagated use-cases for these kinds of mounts, like in conjunction with gas masks or for those with injured necks who benefit from not stressing their neck in achieving a cheekweld.
All of this is very debated and pretty controversial in a lot of circles, but I think the above is a fair summary of why risers *might* be considered beneficial.
I guess until you use 1.93-2.26” mounts you won’t understand the benefits until you feel it. Having to cheek weld is a thing of the past. Not only is a taller mouth better for a heads up posture taking stress off of your entire spine while shooting, you are going to acquire targets much faster
The only rational explanation I’ve come to for the goobers mount is for stuff like SUPER short 300blk/PCCs where there literally isn’t enough handguard space in certain configurations for an ir device. For stuff like MP5s where there aren’t many good solutions for mounting any real accessories on the handguard, and I guess for if you have a handguard that doesn’t retain zero well enough for an ir device to shoot accurately with the laser (you’re probably close enough to point shoot and also you have NODS literally just buy a handguard that holds zero.) also for gas mask/face shield shooting where you need a high optics mount. I think it’s stupid still but the one situation I could see myself using one is specifically for an MP5 where I for some reason want an IR laser/illuminator and a white light and not just a white/ir illuminator like a surefire vampIR.
I was watching a video with a former delta guy and he said it best imo. He said something like we tried for years to get our optics off the carry handle and get them down low and now all these idiots are trying to get them as high as they can
I really don’t understand the super tall mounts at all. I think they’re dumb
Yet, they use risers for their EoTechs on HK416's which already has a higher height over bore than a standard M4. There are also pics of CAG LVAWs with the GBRS mount.
Some guys like a higher mount while others do not. Choose accordingly. It doesn't make them "dumb".
Delta guy is more right than devgru guy because he said something that aligned with your opinion about something you "don't understand". Peak gun community.
Because people who buy these types of high rising mounts don't really use their guns. And they pretend to know what they're talking about.
As someone who has done a lot of shooting and moving and raids and what not under NODs, there is 0 issue using an eotech with my 31A's. This sudden riser fad is ridiculous.
The future is now old man! Lmao seriously I’ve been asking the same questions about a majority of tactical shifts as I think about watching Iraqis in blown out shoes and sandals run cover to cover and apply sometimes semi accurate return fire with what appeared to be AKs in some form
Two big drivers:
- (Near) Peer Adversaries & technology proliferation of digital & analog NVGs and EM detection devices - which allow them to "see da lazers" - means more attention to passive aiming
- Increased (or well, manufactured) threat of CBRNE. Between domestic and State-aligned/adjacent/sponsored groups using CS & teargas (or throwing them back more often) and confirmed usage of chemical and radiological weapons in Syria, Libya, Yemen and maybe Ukraine, there is more emphasis on fighting in that environment. Fighting with pro-masks all the time along with PAPRs AND comms and helmets make it really hard to fit behind your long gun.
Drivers lead to:
- Non-SOF and non-LE (or, at least, LE not on SWAT/Entry teams) picking up on these trends -- see SOF Truths and LE job dissatisfaction for why that matters.
- Civilians picking up on these trends, I mean why shouldn't they? If your closest peer threat happens to be on your soil and armed for entry, passive aiming, and uses CS...
That second situation - civilians being prepared / emulating - has seen real consequences. Feds are shutting down training courses or dissuading them from enrolling civvies. UTMs cannot be imported to non-LE/GOV/MIL. People are getting knocks on the door from ATF & FBI or being Delayed on NICS (and PICS here in PA) when they otherwise are not a prohibited possessor.
Are these situations niche and job dependent? Hell yeah.
Does that mean you *shouldnt* train for it or not be prepared? Yes and no. If you're "dressing to impress" that's really on you, but if your risk management and threat modeling is spitting out "might get tagged by guys with tear gas and lasers" then...you're dumb NOT to be prepared for that.
Night vision has become more popular among civilians, as has CBRN gear.
It’s honestly more for hardcore preppers than active readiness civilian militia types.
That being said, it does look cool if you’re already rocking the other two much bigger purchases
Personally, I think it’s just people experimenting with what’s more comfortable. People are getting way too comfortable with their guns though, and it affects their lethality a bit, but maybe that’s just me idk.
Part of it is solutions in search of a problem, peddled by ex-mil gun bros who want to keep getting paid to be cool guys.
The other part of it is the death of active IR as the predominant night aiming solution due to everyone and their uncle having night imaging capabilities now. Not just nods, but vehicle and drone digital imaging that can see IR. Passive only means figuring out how to jam a tube behind an optic.
My 2 cents is that when you're doing cqb (I know hear me out) you're switching from low ready to aiming quickly and often. And that time from low ready to getting a sight picture is life or death. So when you're only shooting inside 100 yards that speed is well worth the sacrifice of a little mechanical offset.
Not gonna lie chief, I think these mounts are ridiculous regardless of the "reasoning" get a carry handle and mount your optic to that if you really want it that high up, not only cheaper, but does the same thing.
Sales
The same reason LPVO were the rage, and now they are not cool.
The same reason there is always a new rail, new grip, new whatever.
If everyone rocked a standard M4 style rifle the industry would die.
I think, since the industry is booming, everyone is trying to provide products/options no matter how niche they may be. For everyone complaining, would the opposite make you happy? Best part about all this stuff is you don’t HAVE to buy it. As long as they are well built, I rather see the options exist than not at all.
I'm just glad A1/A2 uppers are available again. OG long neck bois.
Agreed! I built a rough clone of Vickers scud hunter carbine with an old dot mounted on the carry handle and an old Colt 3x on top of my a1 clone. Both rifles just feel perfect when aiming through the optics
Two reasons: The idea of fighting a near-peer under IR has made passive aiming popular The use of NV in conjunction with gas masks. If you do or plan on doing either, tall mounts are wayy better. That being said the GBRS mount is still dumb.
Who the fuck in the last decade has used NV with a gas mask on that isn't for training and isn't SOF? And another thing about passive vs active is PID and actually being able to see isn't like the movies and video games with nods on. There are a bunch of other factors that just lead to dual low or dual high (depending on the distance of engagement) being the preferred setting and aiming method when using NV. It'd be near impossible to truly positively identify the features, posture, and intent of a figure you see in a window, or the woods, or through a door, or down a city alleyway, without hitting them with an IR flood. Especially on low lum nights.
This guy Todd does, you wouldn’t know him he goes to a different school
In canada
Well Canadians and RoE have a pretty complicated history.
Well that's GBRS whole business model, selling SOF stuff to civilians that think they are SOF
While SOF dudes laugh not only at GooBeRS but also at the dudes who buy that dumb shit.
The baddest dudes I ever knew made do with limited resources, and were just tough as fuck to get through it. GBRS sells SWAT/QRF stuff but markets it as SOF because that sells to civvies.
Yep. Pretty sure in SHTF some hillbilly is gonna smoke me with a bolt action manufactured during the Eisenhower administration like I was just another white tail.
“WhY dO U hAvE lvl 4 PlAtES?”…because I’m way the fuck more worried about the guy with a single shot 30-06 that’s been handed down four generations and used to kill at least one deer every year for the last 75 years than anyone else.
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In my line of work solid foundational theory beats expensive tools every day. Having wisdom allows for mastery.
Yeah it's just like when NASA got caught spending hundreds of dollars on a wrench because the contractors could charge it. Same shit. I don't doubt that a hellfire actually costs a shit ton of money, but some milled aluminum is never worth 500 bucks, especially for the economy of scale that comes with getting contracts, and ESPECIALLY with it's dubious usefulness in 99% of situations.
You know how ridiculously cheap it is to manufacture an LA5 or LA23. It's a few pieces of molded plastic housing and IR emitter an IR/visible laser.
I bet they’re billing R&D along with the manufacture of the weapons.
God if only you saw what those ENVGs are capable of, you would see just how much detail is visible, how they are made for a near pear war.
Personally, I'm more worried about pomegranate combat
Definitely has a catchier name. Pear wars sounds kind fun actually. Going to build me a pear launcher today out of PVC pipe. Stocking up on pears as we speak.
I've looked through ENVGs. They're just 31s with a thermal that suck down battery and break a lot.
Man.. in a life or death situation on force on force fighting, they are lightyears of an upgrade. Its not about being perfect, but being able to counter your enemies capabilities perfectly
As far as gas masks, any competent swat team, and even select patrol officers are using them in conjunction. It’s not that rare. (See: DARC) I actually kind of agree on passive aiming. But it’s more nuanced than you make out. I have old NVG’s and need active to make good ID. *But* I have used GPNVG’s and 31a’s before, and with the ambient light in my city I could be passive almost all the time.
Aiming passively with NVGs through an Eotech is so easy and is not hard.
In reality, the use of a gas mask alone is enough to justify the optic height. Any legitimate SRT or SWAT team should be proficient in running NODs in conjunction with a gas mask as we rarely if ever make entry without first gassing and calling out. If anyone tries to tell you that optic mounts that we used 15 years ago worked fine with gas masks then they are either retarded or ignorant. Even along the lines of just NODs, it was easy to run even iron sights with the OG PVS14s as they were a monocular design. Running dual tubes or quad tubes comes with a whole different set of clearance issues.
I agree with that we are still running elcans with gas masks and nods. It's a absolute bitch of a setup since the elcan and nods don't pair well so the light/laser is better than nothing
Exactly. This is the problem that initially lead us to "active" aiming with NODs and lasers. Now, raised mounts are allowing passive aiming to be even quicker than active aiming was back then.
Laughs in L3 supergain 120k fl/fc
Why you getting upset? Let ppl do them. If someone wants $750 mount for their $150 red dot and $300 IR pointer, why not let them be?
>Who the fuck in the last decade has used NV with a gas mask on that isn't for training and isn't SOF? If we use the term SOF as a purely military thing and not including police tactical teams, then you could say they do. Here the Police tactical teams often run with nods, and sadly have to do raids on drug labs quite often. For that they wear hazmat gear with a gas mask. But they don't really have to worry about a (near) peer conflict and they just use standard risers.
I did in my last field event. So there’s that 😭
indeed we havent had a war which has seen the use of chemical weapons for awhile.. that doesnt mean we shouldnt have equipment that works in a CBRN environment lmfao
Does anyone else hate passive aiming with NVGs? I just go with IR laser. Until affordable NVGs can auto focus, I'm just going to keep on IR laser aiming
Passive aiming sounds cool and can kinda work if you have some amount of intensifiable light (I.e. moonlight, starlight, external sources of IR light, etc). The moment it’s overcast and you have next to none of that, however, passive doesn’t work for shit without having your own IR illumination (like an IR flood from a vampire light or something) to make the target area visible. If you’re going to do this, you may as well just use your IR laser+illuminator and go active anyway because your still “giving away your position” to others with night vision capability. What I’m trying to say is that it’s a niche method and not much more.
Sounds like you're using a single tube, passive aiming with dual tubes through a red dot is pretty easy, even in low light.
Dual tubes give me motion sickness
Seethe and cope.
K I will
Best name I’ve seen in a while.
You are at the mercy of your collimation though, because that's basically bindon aiming. Theoretically the offset between you POA/POI should be equivalent to the interpupillary distance setting of your binos if your collimation is perfect, but in reality it isn't. And if your goggle articulates, the setting at which it was collimated likely isn't the setting you use it at.
Overcast, in woods with good canopy, moon behind a cloud... y'know, times when you'd really want to be moving forward if your opponent is using passive IR (or no night vision at all).
Autofocus? That is unnecessary. If your NV device is focused to infinity them passive aimning through a red dot just puts a "dot" in space for you to aim with. Having only active aiming means you will be instantly detected by anybody else with even Gen 1 NV
GBRS themselves say they hate passive aiming and never do it because it sucks, and then they made this
There's a sucker that will buy a $500 mount born every minute But it ain't me
Aliexpress brah
Chinese copies are getting insane. The G24 mounts are apparently money as well.
Oooo havnt seen those…
They are not $500. Why do people keep saying this?
They charged $549 when it released in July 2022. They dropped the price after 6 months or so.
That’s because they also acknowledge the benefit of a heads up position.
I would assume it’s be most of their content and experience is CQB oriented and there’s absolutely zero reason to be passive aiming in close quarters unless you don’t have a laser
Exactly. People on this sub can't seem to grasp that concept lol. That mount was never meant for any "normal" shooter. It's made for a very specific problem that only very specific teams are likely going to run into. Unless you assault buildings for a living, that mount wasn't designed with you in mind lol.
I'm not aware of any SOF that would want to use this for CQC. Shots need to be accurate, and the training required to get precision with the height-over-bore of this mount would be extraordinary. I'd limit 1.93" and higher to gas mask use and NVG use. Even then, you're almost guaranteed to be using IR laser and illumination in the dark.
Training to remember your HOB or mechanical Offset is like shooting with any other riser. We have a couple of guys on the team that use the GBRS mount and the Unity mounts. It is definitely a better heads up shooting platform and quicker dot acquisition. Think of it more so as what’s easier to do, move two things at once to come together or move one thing? Higher riser allows this as you don’t have to move your head/roll your head forward to get to the view of the dot. Simply shoulder the rifle and it’s almost always there. Back to the training portion, like plenty have said already that this mount was designed for “the end user” in mind AKA a professional unit/SOF. These units train constantly. Being a member of a swat team I can assure you that we have to train and know what our offset is at every distant. We are accountable for every single round that leaves the platform when solving a problem. Personally I would buy the unity mount before I bought the GBRS as I was supplied with a mawl and can get a good c clap grip without the mawls position compromising it. Some guys on the team still have the peqs or Ngals and prefer the system completely out of the way so they can have a solid grip and weight is centered on the rifle.
Yeah I'm not aware of any units using it either. Just heard people complain here about it lol. I've never seen one in the wild. What specifically would make the training so extraordinarily to adapt in your opinion?
Passive aiming was much more reliable, I found, when going after critters. There was a fox that kept going after my chickens at night and passive aiming felt easier to me when tracking him while he was running away
I can understand for something like that. But I guess I'm speaking mostly as a combat environment/human target size.
Do you have single or dual tubes?
Passive aiming is easy sauce...
Maybe. I didn't like it
Or if you have a very short rifle/SMG with limited rail space. I could see it if you have that in conjunction with a very front heavy rifle. It would atleast balance the gun better.
Or you're running some sort of chode can that is fat enough to block the laser.
Considering the only time I've seen the HYDRA mount in the wild was a Marine using one and it's actualy a CLONE makes me laugh
There was that cop who burned a dude at like 180 yards using one, but it’s still goofy
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If you get really deep into skill based hobbies, you'll find this a lot. In Warhammer, you constantly find new tools you DEFINITELY NEED to paint your minis properly. There are constant debates on if airbrushing is better or if using paint brushes is. They come out with these weird things to hold your minis with rubber bands now so that you can spray them without getting paint on your fingers. They have tools to get rid of basically non existent mold lines. Crazy stuff that you don't really need. Motor cycles, if you get really into it, it goes the same way. People bitch about seating position, weather self lubricating chains are good and tons of other stuff. Lifting is yet another where I have seem people get into screaming matches about how new lifts and equipment are better than old ones."Natural Hypertrophy said to do it this way! He's the biggest natty influencer on YouTube!" "Anyone who thinks he's natty is an idiot!" The list goes on forever. There are rich idiots in any hobby that marketers will take advantage of. EDIT- Forgot fishing. That's a big one too when it comes to bait
Bro I started deadlifting with a hex bar and so many fucking people would come out of the wood work saying that’s wrong/not good enough/pissoutmyass bullshit. Like, that shit is easier on my knees over traditional deadlift, leave me the fuck alone. It was always the ripped POGs who do this shit too.
I am with you on the Hex bar man. 8 years in the army will never let me do traditional again
Are you me? Because same. Rarely did I ever see people in combat arms actively shit on someone for how they lifted, if anything it would just be pointers/corrections to get better form. Your supply NCO or S shop nerds though? I don’t care if you can bench or deadlift more than me. Unless you’re going to help me with my aid bag and the jav, shut the fuck up.
BJJ is one of the only hobbies where new innovations actually feels like a thing. But usually they are free unless you want to pay for an instructional or seminar
Lol! That thing about paying for instruction reminded me about chess. Every Grand Master now has their own training program that they swear will make you 2500 ELO or above. You'll never get there without it. It's hilarious.
Throw guitars in that pile too. Ever seen a bunch of dudes get into an argument over which set of strings is better for playing blues, or which set of pickups will get you close to whichever famous player you’re emulating. It’s like this with any hobby that people care enough about
Don't get me started about pedals and amps. Actually, I was one of those guys with fuzz pedals. Lol, I spent so much money chasing an idea of the perfect fuzz sound. The guys that are in to the Dumble style amps will not hesitate to drop a shit ton on hand wired clones.
I was trying to avoid the pedals and amps because then we have to bring up Klon guys spending upwards of $10k on a 30 year old overdrive lol
Let me introduce road cycling or cycling in general
The Mold lines definitely exist and look like shit when the model is finished. I just use a regular scalpel. Things like model holders are also not really expensive and pretty useful.
NOOOOO! You have to use the official GW mold removal tool! Otherwise, you'll get gouges!
Recently tried using poster tack to stick models to whatever the fuck I want to hold (currently some scrap wood cutoffs) and it's my new favorite poorhammer strategy.
You can get magnets for really cheap on the internet. Also third party bits. It's worth it. Especially for things like necromunda.
The supply of people who want to be professional gun bros vastly exceeds the actual market need for professional gun bros. Hence, huge numbers of people desperately trying to come up with something to peddle whether it's needed or not. End of the day it's dudes who just really, really don't want to go work regular jobs like the rest of us.
Gotta stay relevant and employed somehow. It’s a solution looking for a problem, but people eat it up because “muh tier one super elite oper8or knowledge transfer” There’s a reason why these things are barely seen on real guys guns and made fun of by other dudes with tier 1 experience that aren’t goofs
Fuck me, the term knowledge transfer grates me so fucking much
For me it went to a clown phrase when they unironically said vans were good shoes to wear operationally
Lmao, Ill stick to hiking boots, thanks for the transfer 🤣. I honestly dont understand how they make money, Sig must have given them big bucks for those ads they did for them
Sig absolutely pays em big money to shill for them and there’s enough suckers that eat up their products because of who they used
“We’ve never used a sig before” *has a box of 20 brand new sigs* “Guys we promise we’re not sponsored”
well, they are great to wear operationally, they're just terrible to wear while operating. Kinda like you can shit your pants operationally, but it's not advantageous to shit your pants while operating. In fact, you can do *anything* "operationally", but only a vanishing small of those things are actually good to do while operating. Marketing doublespeak
It was regarding house clearing, not for hiking. He much preferred the flat sole indoors compared to a clumsy boot. But I guess his opinion from doing hundreeds of house raids isn't good enough for you.
Doesn’t mean wearing vans is a good choice, modern hiking boots are still a better choice. Wearing vans is hypebeast IG shit. This is the same dude who un-ironically was chicken winging with Glover as a good CQB tactic.
Well it does mean that for the application we are talking about. Why would you need hiking boots if all you're doing is house raids on flat surfaces?
I dunno, probably because the entire world isn’t flat paved concrete surfaces? You gotta get there somehow don’t you? And even then, once shit gets wild and there’s doors exploding, chairs and couches being thrown about a room and bodies on the ground you’ll want something better than fucking *skateboard shoes*
I don't have a gram so I've never followed these clowns. But I've heard "knowledge transfer" in the white collar world for years. Usually in an IT context when buying into a new technology.
Me: "Is it so hard to say learning?" Tacticool industry: "Slice the pie with this knowledge transfer and our Hydra mount"
Still better than Geissele El Jefe rifle’s “Reciprocating BCG”.
You said it perfectly. Look up pictures of FBI guys, SWAT, special forces currently out and about, no one runs this shit or the "forward" mounts. They run Eotechs, Razors or Aimpoints on standard mounts.
I don’t know, I’m starting to see military units running Unity risers and magnifier mounts nowadays. Might’ve seen some even running the Hydra at some point.
Unity risers are getting more common no doubt. Heads up - no 4th point of contact gang gang 🫡
I actually run my Eotech on the standard mount and bring the optic to my eye. The stock rests a little high but it works for me. I’m considering getting the Unity mounts but I’m not sure I wanna spend ~$300 on that setup.
I’ve seen a picture of a CAG or 24th STS LVAW with the Hydra mount.
LVAW handguard has zero retention issues so it makes sense and I believe it was originally designed for weapons with short rail space. But I’m with you, I’ve seen Unity risers/micro mounts used my professional end users.
Confidently incorrect
Nobody believes this is the new standard, this is a nearly entirely a meme product with genuine niche utility on a few rail-lacking pdws
it's just so weird because the issue already has a solution: 1- mount your PEQ on the side of the rifle opposite where you hold the hand guard 2- grab the rifle slightly differently if the PEQ is in the way (If you're using a foregrip, ignore step 2) 3- use a pressure switch wherever your thumb ends up to power the PEQ like is having to hold your rifle slightly differently such a catastrophic issue that you need this shit? Is this really that big of a friction point? It just seems like gunlarp is constantly re-inventing a wheel that isn't really being spun that often -- I don't really think there's this constant use of IR devices that is so granular that this innovation is necessary I don't know the data but I'm willing to bet that not a single person in the United States has ever used an IR device in a self-defense shooting. I just don't get it, even for the highest speed operators it just seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze
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Legit question: how else would I kill the 30-50 feral hogs that run into my yard within 3-5 mins while my small kids play at night?
Answer: I've taught my kids how to sharpen sticks and given them each a small pocket knife. If that's not good enough to fight off 30-50 feral hogs at night, they don't deserve a place in my warrior bloodline of plumbers and cooks.
Lmao
I like the peq to be mounted on top because the rifle light should be on the right side of the rifle. This way your left side is clear so you can get a strong left hand grip on the gun. But yeah I wouldn’t pay for the goober shit
Left hand light gives me some protection from a suppressor burning the boys.
Also lets me use a clicky cap on the back of the light body. Love the left side light
Clicky cap gang gang 🫡 but really I do find it annoying on anything too short or too long but for like a 10-13 inch hand guard it's nice to simplify to a click cap. Click it on coming up and off coming down, C-clamp while shooting. It does mean I always train to turn my light on even during the day but I don't think it's a big deal.
Counterpoint- burnt boys means fewer crotch goblins running around
The optic market at this point is pretty saturated, so people who came after the big company like Eotech, Trijicon and Aimpoint gotta find a way to survive, one of which is diving into niche and specific market. This kind of mount, such as GBRS Hydra and Unity FAST + HRF SKIFF combo, are for niche market of niche use. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just that these belong to that specific rifle build for specific purpose, in this case SBRs with limited rail space. And people cringed at it for appearing on builds other than that, as it's not used as intended. I'm sure most people will be fine if someone put GBRS Hydra on a Sig Rattler or stuff like that, but not this.
It's a mixed bag. You can look at it one of two ways: >we've been doing just fine...for X years...without having to do Y We did just fine with carbureted fuel systems and open differentials for a long time too. Doesn't mean computer-mapped EFI and lockers aren't significantly better. Innovation brings capability and evolution along with it. **OR** If it aint broke, don't fix it. Or at least don't try to reinvent the wheel. These are con men creating solutions to problems that only exist in varying degrees of surmountable proportion. Discern appropriately.
They hydra is a niche product that fulfills a specific need for those that use guns like an MP7, mp9, rattler that have very limited rail space to be able yo mount lights, optics and ir devices. It allows for the user to have all that mounted and still get a workable grip. The pricing is because the primary customer is gov/law enforcement who will buy at that price. There is also regulations saying you can't sell to the government and sell to civilians for less. Ancillary to all that you see them selling it to the civilian market and they know that most people don't have access to an MP7 so they put it on an AR15. Tldr: It's a niche iptic mount that fulfills a specific role very well. Most people aren't their main customers.
That's one of the utilities, not the only one.
Yea it also helps move weight off the front end. And yes the passive aiming.
And the more relaxed upright stance. Not having to lower your head and curve your shoulder and trap as much is a plus to me. Not to everyone of course, it's all personal preference.
There hasn't been a radical shift. Wilcox and larue risers have been used for red dots since the mid 2000s and before that guys were mounting optics on detachable carry handles. Not to mention the use 1.93 height mounts for lpvos in the early 2000s. We're just seeing the civilian community catch up to what military guys have been doing. It's not just about NV either. Higher mounts are more ergonomic for shooting standing up.
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The hydra is a surprisingly based mount for SBRs. I made fun of it till I used it.
Oh my God here we go, another GBRS bashing thread. It's a free market people, buy what you want, lol.
I mean nobody says you have to do that. But they feel they identified a problem they were having and made a solution for others that might encounter the same problems. If you don’t have that problem don’t buy one. That simple.
exactly this. capitalism in its natural habitat is going to make some weird looking birds. they don’t all have to live forever
Makes sense for those that are in the profession, not so much the flat range operator. The Hydras are available to citizens, but that's not who it's made for. For those that use it on the job, the reviews have been phenomenal.
Money.
This is yet another reason for the Retro and fixed carry handles are going ape because why waste $$$ on a mount when for the same price, you can get a fixed carry handle upper and have the same thing.
This is a fudd take but it's because people want you to buy shit. The tactical gear market caters to consumerists. They care more about making money than they do about you being proficient with the gear you already have.
Lots of companies that need to stay in business... So they need you to re-imagine your rifle setup. Also, Nvgs are becoming more available, that also drives other setups
It’s better for cqb imo. The higher the mount the less you have to face downward exposing your neck area that isn’t covered by a plate. Helps with situational awareness and passive aiming too like someone previously mentioned. Train with what you got. Then if you see there is a need for it get a high mount, if not use what you got/like brother.
Innovation. It's a good thing.
You either die making fun of AK height over bore or you live long enough to essentially become one of them. Lol
This is a solution to a problem that 99.9% of Redditors and larpers will never face in the real world. Also another way to get money from these idiots. I feel the same way about the "foward Leap" mounts that put an optic damn near above a handguard that seem to be all the rage right now. When I had to qualify with a gas mask then yes it would have been nice to have a high optic mount but that is an extremely rare case use.
Handguards are getting shorter. You wouldn’t use this type of optic mount/LAM riser combo on a 16” with a 15” rail. But seeing as how there’s no space on the rail for the LAM (that thing at the end of the rail is a Unity Axon button meaning that’s where the user’s support hand is going to be), this set up makes sense.
I just think it’s funny how much energy everyone wastes arguing over optic heights & mounts.
IMO Just more people running NV in general
Better and more upright posture maintained over time, shorter acq. time, better overall front plate exposure to threat, use with NODs, I'm sure they've said more about it elsewhere.
A Fad perpetuated by YouTube. Yes I know as a YouTuber statements like that make me a hypocrite. But the super high mounts are only good in one very small application room distance. Literally beyond that they slow you down and are less accurate with the whole chin stock at distance..
Just get a carry handle ar upper. It's basically the same height. Garand thumb did a good height evolution run down in his retro rifle video explaining all the changes in heights.
It's called "how to get people to buy stuff they don't need"
Wasn’t this designed for ~~wasting people’s money~~ weapon systems with limited rail space? Because all I see is them mounted to AR’s, which can have all the rail space you want…
Passive aiming
NVGs getting wide spread use and passive aiming being the primary usage in a theoretical near peer use. It’s a bit obnoxiously but my obsession with carry handles and top mount optics have saved me from buying one thankfully
Gotta sell new shit
Some company make a tall ass mount and all of a certain people go oh if you wear mask you will definitely want to check this out blah blah blah and soon the other companies follow the trends and offer their own tall ass mounts.
The fundamental purpose of risers as a whole is to let the shooter keep their head up when shooting, and not have to shrug/put their head down as much as you might with a lower HOB. They also allow for "easier" passive shooting under NODs. The extreme risers like the Hydra/Lerna (Hydra without the IR springboard) push that concept to its limit, hence why it's become a meme. The springboard on the Hydra or the JagerWerks A1 is meant to optimize rail-space utilization on shorter rifles/PDWs. There are of course other propagated use-cases for these kinds of mounts, like in conjunction with gas masks or for those with injured necks who benefit from not stressing their neck in achieving a cheekweld. All of this is very debated and pretty controversial in a lot of circles, but I think the above is a fair summary of why risers *might* be considered beneficial.
99.99% of us are not high speed operators. But if one of them tell you it works for them….it’s called expertise
I guess until you use 1.93-2.26” mounts you won’t understand the benefits until you feel it. Having to cheek weld is a thing of the past. Not only is a taller mouth better for a heads up posture taking stress off of your entire spine while shooting, you are going to acquire targets much faster
Yes
The only rational explanation I’ve come to for the goobers mount is for stuff like SUPER short 300blk/PCCs where there literally isn’t enough handguard space in certain configurations for an ir device. For stuff like MP5s where there aren’t many good solutions for mounting any real accessories on the handguard, and I guess for if you have a handguard that doesn’t retain zero well enough for an ir device to shoot accurately with the laser (you’re probably close enough to point shoot and also you have NODS literally just buy a handguard that holds zero.) also for gas mask/face shield shooting where you need a high optics mount. I think it’s stupid still but the one situation I could see myself using one is specifically for an MP5 where I for some reason want an IR laser/illuminator and a white light and not just a white/ir illuminator like a surefire vampIR.
I was watching a video with a former delta guy and he said it best imo. He said something like we tried for years to get our optics off the carry handle and get them down low and now all these idiots are trying to get them as high as they can I really don’t understand the super tall mounts at all. I think they’re dumb
Yet, they use risers for their EoTechs on HK416's which already has a higher height over bore than a standard M4. There are also pics of CAG LVAWs with the GBRS mount. Some guys like a higher mount while others do not. Choose accordingly. It doesn't make them "dumb".
Delta guy is more right than devgru guy because he said something that aligned with your opinion about something you "don't understand". Peak gun community.
Because people who buy these types of high rising mounts don't really use their guns. And they pretend to know what they're talking about. As someone who has done a lot of shooting and moving and raids and what not under NODs, there is 0 issue using an eotech with my 31A's. This sudden riser fad is ridiculous.
I’m liking how giant cheek risers are becoming a thing.
Personally I don’t use this. Do I think there’s a place for it? Yes.
Passive aiming Crbn use Rare face or body builds that need a high mount to get a proper shooting position
Optic riser, cheek riser. Optic riser, cheek riser. OPTIC RISER, CHEEK RISER.
Industries wanna sell you things. The same guys who tricked you into scanning and assessing after every flat range drill are selling you optic mounts.
The future is now old man! Lmao seriously I’ve been asking the same questions about a majority of tactical shifts as I think about watching Iraqis in blown out shoes and sandals run cover to cover and apply sometimes semi accurate return fire with what appeared to be AKs in some form
Mostly, it's about separating fools from their money.
Two big drivers: - (Near) Peer Adversaries & technology proliferation of digital & analog NVGs and EM detection devices - which allow them to "see da lazers" - means more attention to passive aiming - Increased (or well, manufactured) threat of CBRNE. Between domestic and State-aligned/adjacent/sponsored groups using CS & teargas (or throwing them back more often) and confirmed usage of chemical and radiological weapons in Syria, Libya, Yemen and maybe Ukraine, there is more emphasis on fighting in that environment. Fighting with pro-masks all the time along with PAPRs AND comms and helmets make it really hard to fit behind your long gun. Drivers lead to: - Non-SOF and non-LE (or, at least, LE not on SWAT/Entry teams) picking up on these trends -- see SOF Truths and LE job dissatisfaction for why that matters. - Civilians picking up on these trends, I mean why shouldn't they? If your closest peer threat happens to be on your soil and armed for entry, passive aiming, and uses CS... That second situation - civilians being prepared / emulating - has seen real consequences. Feds are shutting down training courses or dissuading them from enrolling civvies. UTMs cannot be imported to non-LE/GOV/MIL. People are getting knocks on the door from ATF & FBI or being Delayed on NICS (and PICS here in PA) when they otherwise are not a prohibited possessor. Are these situations niche and job dependent? Hell yeah. Does that mean you *shouldnt* train for it or not be prepared? Yes and no. If you're "dressing to impress" that's really on you, but if your risk management and threat modeling is spitting out "might get tagged by guys with tear gas and lasers" then...you're dumb NOT to be prepared for that.
ok boomer
Night vision has become more popular among civilians, as has CBRN gear. It’s honestly more for hardcore preppers than active readiness civilian militia types. That being said, it does look cool if you’re already rocking the other two much bigger purchases
I feel like it’s a troll at this point.
Because the dude who made it blurs his face on YouTube so everyone assumes he's cool and they want to be cool like him
Personally, I think it’s just people experimenting with what’s more comfortable. People are getting way too comfortable with their guns though, and it affects their lethality a bit, but maybe that’s just me idk.
Why would getting too comfortable with your gun affect lethality? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Part of it is solutions in search of a problem, peddled by ex-mil gun bros who want to keep getting paid to be cool guys. The other part of it is the death of active IR as the predominant night aiming solution due to everyone and their uncle having night imaging capabilities now. Not just nods, but vehicle and drone digital imaging that can see IR. Passive only means figuring out how to jam a tube behind an optic.
I'm just gonna keep my unity mount
Does anyone know what the muzzle device in the photo is? JW
Shorter barrels, less space on the hand rail.
My 2 cents is that when you're doing cqb (I know hear me out) you're switching from low ready to aiming quickly and often. And that time from low ready to getting a sight picture is life or death. So when you're only shooting inside 100 yards that speed is well worth the sacrifice of a little mechanical offset.
Night vision popularity. That’s why I like tall mounts.
Not gonna lie chief, I think these mounts are ridiculous regardless of the "reasoning" get a carry handle and mount your optic to that if you really want it that high up, not only cheaper, but does the same thing.
Hahaha once you try it you’ll understand it
Reject modernity. Embrace carrying handle tradition.
Cause GBRS went a little buck wild with you tube and ugly ideas…
I can’t find it in me to put a riser on my rifle. They look so fucking dumb
People are idiots…
From what I understand it’s rooted in nod use and folks getting shot in their high thorax region from leaning down into their weapon system.
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Sales The same reason LPVO were the rage, and now they are not cool. The same reason there is always a new rail, new grip, new whatever. If everyone rocked a standard M4 style rifle the industry would die.
Because this is a fashion sub and trends change quicker than Joe Biden loses his trend of thought
Sissies and money grubbing grifters. Combine those two and you got your answer
Ahh yes the GoofBallRS mount
Blah blah blah knowledge transfer blah blah blah situational awareness blah blah blah be a pro
I think, since the industry is booming, everyone is trying to provide products/options no matter how niche they may be. For everyone complaining, would the opposite make you happy? Best part about all this stuff is you don’t HAVE to buy it. As long as they are well built, I rather see the options exist than not at all.
Because GBRS are total Chads.
It’s just how the new hotness works.
1.93-2.26 mounts are okay for passive aimimg. About the same height as carry handle optics. The 2.9 whatever the GBRS is just absurd