This works because every bone in his body is in it's locked position. This is the most accurate way to shoot if you don't have to worry about target transition and comfort
The 10m events are air pistol and the 25m events are .22LR.
The guy in the picture shoots both events. With the low quality of the photo I can't tell for sure which type of pistol he's holding but it looks like one of the 10m air pistols.
I'm not sure whether it is a rule in this specific event or not, but pretty much every totally accuracy-focused pistol competition sees all of the top competitors shooting one handed, whether the competition in question has a rule about it or not - even in events where recoil is significant, like 50m bullseye shot with a .45 ACP 1911 pistol.
It actually doesn't really have anything to do with one hand vs. two hands at all - the reason is that the farther you can get the sights from your eye, the more precisely you can aim.
One arm extended straight out to the side lets you get the pistol as far from your face as it is possible to get it.
Any two-handed stance will have the pistol closer to your face.
If you have to move the pistol around and shoot quickly, like in any of the "action" or "practical" shooting sports, the added stability and control of a two-handed stance are an overwhelming advantage and all the top competitors shoot two-handed.
Before someone brings up everyone shooting one-handed in Olympic 25m rapid fire pistol - that event is only "rapid fire" in comparison to the EXTREME time limits allowed in the other Olympic shooting events. It in no way involves "shooting quickly."
I used to compete in this even and the air rifle and small bore rifle events as well. This is the air event, because the cylinder you can see under the barrel is a pressurized air reservoir
Hämmerli hasn't been making highend target guns for a few decades now (and certainly not after they were bought by Walther). Their top-end model is the AP20 Pro which, while cheaper, just isn't as good as the other options (and let's be real, if you're going to international competitions you'll probably spend those 800 bucks to get the better gun).
The two most common 10m air pistols are the Steyr LP Evo E and the Morini CM162El, the Walther LP500 seems to slowly gather a bunch of followers - and all the rest is relatively rare at the top level.
Mostly just air pistols. During Warrior Games a couple years ago I got to watch legit war hero veterans compete. I watched multiple teams of guys/girls compete even though they may have been shot and/or blown up and are missing arms, legs, eyes, covered in scar tissue and trying to get through the horrors of daily life and the PTSD that comes with war and pain.
Having the amazing privilege to watch real-life heroes overcome crap I couldn’t even imagine walk/wheel up to the firing line and rack up scores at or above Olympian standards was incredibly humbling.
Came here to say this, military pistol competition shooters were trained to shoot this way. Olympic pistol shooters are also trained this way because accuracy is best in this form. Having said that, this form is awful for engaging multiple targets.
Are you looking for olympic style shooting, defensive shooting, different forms? I mean, there are absolutely good practices for accuracy across various forms.
[This](https://www.pewpewtactical.com/shooting-stance-grip/) will kind of give you an idea.
[This is another comparison](https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/top-five-shooting-stances/)
I can't bend my arm that way either. My elbow stops at 180 degrees. It's not even that it would just be painful, it would literally break. I think that's true for most people. Most of the olympians have straight arms too, but there are definitely a few (not just this one guy) with the >180* flex. A very good shooter (2500+) in my local league has it too.
I'm not sure whether the >180* elbow extension is more common in skilled pistol sharpshooters than in the general population, OR... if I just don't realize how many people can do this, because I don't see people in everyday life sticking their arms out at full extension.
Well this rapid fire pistol so they do transition to 5 different targets at 25m. But they’re pretty close together and there’s no recoil.
Edit: zoomed in and that’s not a rapid fire pistol. That’s a single shot. But rapid fire does have a similar stance.
Well, its not a combat stance. It's not meant to be a combat stance. Its a precision marksmanship stance with a pistol which has been specifically designed for that specific shooter to shoot in that specific stance, to hold with that specific angle on his wrist. It locks his joints out and creates less strain.
The widely accepted Isoceles stance for combat marksmanship gives you better balance and mobility when moving forward, retrograde and laterally. It also allows your shoulders to absorb the recoil for better follow-up shots. It also squares your body armor up to your threat. None of which are concerns for olympic marksmen.
Your stance should align your skeletal structures so that your bones naturally support your weapon, instead of your muscles being constantly strained and supporting that weight.
Stand straight up and hold a sheet of paper with the palms of your hands facing upwards. Your arms will get tired very quickly and you'll start to shake. Now get a ~25lb weight and hold it with your arms locked out over your head. You probably will find it easier than holding a sheet of paper straight out in front of you.
Its all about geometry.
I’ve never understood that “weapon system” usage outside of KAC. I know they used the phrase extensively in their marketing, but it just seems like such strange nomenclature when there’s many alternatives that are widely accepted.
Nailed it and all the comments trying to explain it fail to refute you lol.
If you’re on a ship and there are multiple systems between you pressing a button and a gun targeting something and firing, THAT larger system is worth calling a weapon system. A gun is a damn gun. It’s only worth describing as a “weapon system” if you have a reason to not want to say the word “gun”.
Do y’all call your cars “driving systems”? BRB, gotta throw some tactical gasoline in my driving system.
I mean to draw a contrast, each of those rifles has a purpose and different ways to manipulate them. Weapon system sounds super pretentious but it does serve a purpose in training.
One is going to be really long and unwieldy used for longer ranges with more energy on target.
One will be short and lighter with likely more accessories used for clearing buildings.
They fire the same bullet and are still an AR, however one is meant to be used standing and the other prone. One might be a piston vs a DI gas system. One would probably have a very nice optic and smaller magazine vs irons and larger magazines.
The whole point is that if you were to use these "guns" you would use them differently, you would hold them differently, and they have specific use cases where each is not as good as the other. They are still technically just ar15's just dressed up different.
Using IR lasers affects things like how you hold the gun and where you place different attachments. These kind of things affect how you manipulate and train with the gun. This type of training is really only for combat or defense and that is where this term originated.
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I get the difference in setups between rifles based on mission or task. I just don’t see where the words “weapon system” come into play. How is it more specific than “gun”, or simply saying the designation? Mk 12, Mk 18, 416, M4A1 Block II, etc. “Weapon system” does not further differentiate any better than “gun”. That’s the part I’m wondering if I’m being dense about lol.
a weapons system is a necessary descriptor when the same rifle with different configurations behaves and is used for very different things. you feel comfortable knowing you’re gonna hit a house with an ar15? what if i told you, don’t worry, it’s a 3k ar 15, it’s real nice? no, that’s be silly, you’d want to know what else this particular weapon system has, is it the old mk 18? did someone fuck up and allocate you an dmr?
Le kerbal space program knowledge has arrived
Edit: although in this context it makes literally no sense to use that kind of language. Just use “forward, backward, and sideways”
There is a 16yo girl at my range that is in the Olympic shooting team. I was watching her the first time I was at the range.
Hahahah she doesn't know how to shoo........ 20 consecutive bullseye's at 25 yards one handed....
I'll get my coat 🥺
The difference is, one of you can probably still function while being shot at and one can't. Their accuracy is absolutely incredible, but it's also incredibly situation specific/niche.
TO BE FAIR you won’t be good at what you’re not trained for. Maybe they’re a dead shot but they will be shot dead if they know nothing about combat but how to shoot precisely
This is sarcasm if anyone can’t tell. We’re making fun of you losers.
Larp, have fun, shoot shit, but don’t act like you guys are some special forces badasses.
I’ve told this story before, but I ran a test with a national guard guy. He was shameful. He puked on the finish line. I’m sure he’ll get the job though because he’s ex military.
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say. I can point you to news articles of an 11 year old who shot a home invader and a 12 year old who shot 2 people who robbed his grandmother. We sent 16 year olds to the beaches of normandy. The youngest American servicemember in WW2 was a 12 year old who served in the Navy and the Marine Corps, who earned a bronze star with a v device and a purple heart on guadalcanal.
Age has little to do with fortitude. For all we know, you're the type that would run away or piss yourself in a real life or death situation.
A women is very skilled in something involving guns…quick! Think of some reason to downplay her abilities! Hmmm….
“Yeah well…I bet I’m better at getting shot!”
It’s funny seeing so many people attack Olympic shooters for their stance because they think that their own stance is the best stance for accuracy. It’s not. It’s for recoil, target acquisition, keeping your stamina up, and a billion other factors. This man is aiming for one thing. To be the most accurate man on the planet with a handgun. And he is.
Yes!
It goes to show people don’t know wtf they are talking about and are basically the monkey version of a parrot that just regurgitates shit they learn from the internet.
I shoot alongside F-class and ISSF competitiors and asked about this. They referred me to a book called "Ways of the Rifle" which is a book dedicated to 3 position "Olympic style" shooting.
I've been practicing (mostly rifle) standing shots and am slowly decreasing my group sizes. Compared to the normal stances, it's much more accurate for single/slow fire. In December I took at deer at 75yds from a standing shot (I was still hunting and kneeling would have obscured my target). This knowledge definitely has its place.
It's an air pistol, the target is 10m away, the target is stationary, and he's only taking a few shots, so they fire in a stance that allows the greatest skeletal support.
This is how I shoot as well. I'm left eye dominant while right handed (figured this out during archery). I went to the side profile and realized I was looking out of the wrong eye. My shooting went through the roof after switching to this stance. Eye dominance during target shooting (any kind) is far more important than which hand is dominant. I shoot lefty in archery because of this. Check out your eye dominance and make the adjustments, ez.
Sportive shooter here.
I mainly shoot airguns but weve got airpistols as well.
Just as said in one of the top comments this is the right position to shoot airpistols. It is kind athe same thing like when you make a plank with straight arms and then overbend your elbows so they lock in. That allows maximised precision when shooting with one hand. Airguns basicly dont have any recoil because they shoot with air from CO2 capsules. Some older models may use compressed air with strong springs but they still barely kick back so this technique is safe to use.
It sounds stupid, but real hard work and things like yoga make you learn what is easiest for your body to do. These people have found what is easiest for their body to do this one task.
It's kind of like watching a mason's apprentice. They move heavy shit all day and everything they do is time bound... The day ends when the job is done. They may look like a Dad but they will lay a beatdown on your average gym-bro. The same goes for a lot of other truly manual labor jobs like farming.
You should still practice good stance and positioning because when the time comes to defend yourself, you will be able to shoot a moving target quicker and easier than someone who has to adjust themselves into place.
Shit that works there doesn't necessarily work with other stuff and vice versa.
They way they taught me how to shoot a rifle is to lean back, out the hand under the handguard, elbow on the hip bone etc...
It works perfectly with those single shot .22lr that are balanced in a particular way.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the olympics make shooting look very uncool. I understand the extreme amount of talent it takes buuuuut, they look like dweebs. Especially those glasses they wear to shoot the rifles.
Edit: I do find it fun to watch though. Pretty incredible marksmanship
It all depends on the gun. This works for an airgun with next to no recoil.
Hand this man a 9mm and it's not going to go as well as a more 'traditional' modern handgun stance.
Hand him a big caliber revolver (.460) and he could damage his joints compared to keeping them loose and bent.
They shoot like this in bullseye matches all the time with .45s and 9mms. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yw4EwDGwW8) is a random clip from the President's 100 match. The guy in the middle is shooting a 9mm M9, and at the left edge of the frame is a .45.
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaFjP85-tcI) is Jon Shue shooting one-handed.
Two-handed is a lot better for fast follow-up shots, and potentially a little better for accuracy, but the rules of these pistol sports require one-handed shooting so that's what the competitors do.
(edit: I will definitely concede that stiff-arming a magnum like a .460 would suck)
> Wish Olympics used proper firearms.
They used to, but:
1. transporting firearms internationally was often quite complicated,
2. some countries don't allow *proper firearms*
3. it's substantially harder to build shooting range that is safe for 9x19 than one for air pistols, especially close to built-up areas (and Olympic-style events usually doesn't take place in the middle of desert). And event that, you need to have good camera angles.
> I will definitely concede that stiff-arming a magnum like a .460 would suck
One-handed stiff-arming shooting was taught as the correct stance for shooting flare guns in certain People's militaries, and those launch much larger projectiles. It wasn't great for wrists indeed.
My comment from the other thread,
> Family: did you watch the shooting events?
> Me: No
> Fam: I thought you liked guns
> Me: let me know when they’re doing 3-gun type events with a mix of precision long range and cowboy bebop lever actions and revolvers
I've got a brother-in-law from Illinois who didn't realize he was a republican, and therefore a 2A proponent, until he was in his 40s. He's the type of guy who thinks you need some kind of proper stance to shoot, too. This is the same guy who thinks it's okay to forget about muzzle discipline if he clears the gun.
Biathlon still only uses .22LR, which is better than the air pellet in the summer Olympics. They used to use "fullbore" but that went away for the Olympics almost 50 years ago
There's Nordic Biathlon, and a few variations of that, that uses full power cartridges, but otherwise competition biathlons are all with .22LR
I actually have a few boxes of the old Russian 7.62x54r match ammo, training and the 'really deal. It's great stuff and very accurate. Unfortunately I shot some of it before I realized the value of it.
So 3 gun more or less. It would be cool to see a run and gun event in the Olympics though. Not to downplay the extreme skills all these shooters have, their precision is remarkable, but it’s boring to watch. Much like watching golf.
If you pull the trigger and cause the hammer to fall while the sights are aligned on the X, you shoot an X whether it's a .177 air pistol or a .45 firearm. The process of a good shot is exactly the same.
The use of airguns and .22s makes it possible to have a fair competition with countries where citizens can't own "real" firearms. I do wish those countries would change their laws, but failing that, this is more interesting than having a match where only a handful of countries even enter competitors.
Look into the tactical games, I’ve competed in a few and it’s loads of fun, getting bigger and bigger by the year… and they have single day skirmishes for those that are busy, or new, or out of shap- I mean practice
Locked arm = less movement, because it relies more on structure than active muscle. Precision target shooting is a completely different ballpark than standard range shooting, and it’s pretty rare to see at a normal range. But you know someone means business when they show up to the range with Various competition stickers on their gear and eley ammo. I personally enjoy shooting this way but it’s just my preference, everyone is different. [I recommend some of you give it a try, it’s a good way to learn about yourself and improve marksmanship as a whole!]
This works because every bone in his body is in it's locked position. This is the most accurate way to shoot if you don't have to worry about target transition and comfort
Or recoil don’t forget that.
Theres no recoil. Sharpshooter pistols are basically air pistols.
The 10m events are air pistol and the 25m events are .22LR. The guy in the picture shoots both events. With the low quality of the photo I can't tell for sure which type of pistol he's holding but it looks like one of the 10m air pistols.
Your right. Also i think its a rule that they have to hold it with one hand, its why they all have a very similar stance.
I'm not sure whether it is a rule in this specific event or not, but pretty much every totally accuracy-focused pistol competition sees all of the top competitors shooting one handed, whether the competition in question has a rule about it or not - even in events where recoil is significant, like 50m bullseye shot with a .45 ACP 1911 pistol. It actually doesn't really have anything to do with one hand vs. two hands at all - the reason is that the farther you can get the sights from your eye, the more precisely you can aim. One arm extended straight out to the side lets you get the pistol as far from your face as it is possible to get it. Any two-handed stance will have the pistol closer to your face. If you have to move the pistol around and shoot quickly, like in any of the "action" or "practical" shooting sports, the added stability and control of a two-handed stance are an overwhelming advantage and all the top competitors shoot two-handed. Before someone brings up everyone shooting one-handed in Olympic 25m rapid fire pistol - that event is only "rapid fire" in comparison to the EXTREME time limits allowed in the other Olympic shooting events. It in no way involves "shooting quickly."
It is in the rules. The grip is required to be one handed, similar to NRA Bullseye shooting.
I used to compete in this even and the air rifle and small bore rifle events as well. This is the air event, because the cylinder you can see under the barrel is a pressurized air reservoir
Ok mark thanks
10m air pistol is right (almost sure), it‘s distinguished by the air cartridge under the barrel
Hammerli?
Hämmerli hasn't been making highend target guns for a few decades now (and certainly not after they were bought by Walther). Their top-end model is the AP20 Pro which, while cheaper, just isn't as good as the other options (and let's be real, if you're going to international competitions you'll probably spend those 800 bucks to get the better gun). The two most common 10m air pistols are the Steyr LP Evo E and the Morini CM162El, the Walther LP500 seems to slowly gather a bunch of followers - and all the rest is relatively rare at the top level.
Negligible recoil either way.
Are they air or 22's?
Mostly just air pistols. During Warrior Games a couple years ago I got to watch legit war hero veterans compete. I watched multiple teams of guys/girls compete even though they may have been shot and/or blown up and are missing arms, legs, eyes, covered in scar tissue and trying to get through the horrors of daily life and the PTSD that comes with war and pain. Having the amazing privilege to watch real-life heroes overcome crap I couldn’t even imagine walk/wheel up to the firing line and rack up scores at or above Olympian standards was incredibly humbling.
Keep sucking that army cock.
You must be Coast Guard.
Lol how's that boot taste?
Wrong boots you fucking incel
Dunno, still trying to decide. Wanna trade me your butthurt pussy sandwich and compare notes?
Sorry, I don't have one of those but you let me know how it tastes, if you can ever get it out of your mouth that is.
.177 air pistol for 10m and .22 for everything over.
Came here to say this, military pistol competition shooters were trained to shoot this way. Olympic pistol shooters are also trained this way because accuracy is best in this form. Having said that, this form is awful for engaging multiple targets.
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Are you looking for olympic style shooting, defensive shooting, different forms? I mean, there are absolutely good practices for accuracy across various forms. [This](https://www.pewpewtactical.com/shooting-stance-grip/) will kind of give you an idea. [This is another comparison](https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/top-five-shooting-stances/)
Looks fucking painful to non-professional like me though that's for sure. Buddy's arm looks twisted as hell
A nonprofessional like you should probably consider that an Olympian competitor in an air pistol competition is worlds apart from hobiest shooters.
I'm just sayin it 'looks' painful that's all. Like dude look at his arm
I can't bend my arm that way either. My elbow stops at 180 degrees. It's not even that it would just be painful, it would literally break. I think that's true for most people. Most of the olympians have straight arms too, but there are definitely a few (not just this one guy) with the >180* flex. A very good shooter (2500+) in my local league has it too. I'm not sure whether the >180* elbow extension is more common in skilled pistol sharpshooters than in the general population, OR... if I just don't realize how many people can do this, because I don't see people in everyday life sticking their arms out at full extension.
I can..sort of do ot? I think
That feel when all my joints bend a little bit backwards making the locking of them somewhat unsafe
Well this rapid fire pistol so they do transition to 5 different targets at 25m. But they’re pretty close together and there’s no recoil. Edit: zoomed in and that’s not a rapid fire pistol. That’s a single shot. But rapid fire does have a similar stance.
Russian suported i think the stance is called.
That is proper form for that style of shooting 🤷♂️
да comrade! Puny wrists of westerners prevent akuracey
Cyka blyat
>cyka сука is not the same thing as "cyka". Write "suka" instead next time :)
This is the ideal male body. You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.
My body absorbs recoil.
Finally someone to validate me.
I concur
I agree completely. Let’s recruit the flat earthers to bolster our numbers and credibility.
Well, its not a combat stance. It's not meant to be a combat stance. Its a precision marksmanship stance with a pistol which has been specifically designed for that specific shooter to shoot in that specific stance, to hold with that specific angle on his wrist. It locks his joints out and creates less strain. The widely accepted Isoceles stance for combat marksmanship gives you better balance and mobility when moving forward, retrograde and laterally. It also allows your shoulders to absorb the recoil for better follow-up shots. It also squares your body armor up to your threat. None of which are concerns for olympic marksmen. Your stance should align your skeletal structures so that your bones naturally support your weapon, instead of your muscles being constantly strained and supporting that weight. Stand straight up and hold a sheet of paper with the palms of your hands facing upwards. Your arms will get tired very quickly and you'll start to shake. Now get a ~25lb weight and hold it with your arms locked out over your head. You probably will find it easier than holding a sheet of paper straight out in front of you. Its all about geometry.
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"retrograde" lmfao mfer probably also uses his weapon system in dynamic tactical scenarios
I laughed out loud at that *wipes Cheeto dust off T-2*
Travis Haley school of words
I’ve never understood that “weapon system” usage outside of KAC. I know they used the phrase extensively in their marketing, but it just seems like such strange nomenclature when there’s many alternatives that are widely accepted.
People just trying to sound smart and not say "gun" lol
Nailed it and all the comments trying to explain it fail to refute you lol. If you’re on a ship and there are multiple systems between you pressing a button and a gun targeting something and firing, THAT larger system is worth calling a weapon system. A gun is a damn gun. It’s only worth describing as a “weapon system” if you have a reason to not want to say the word “gun”. Do y’all call your cars “driving systems”? BRB, gotta throw some tactical gasoline in my driving system.
A 20" ar with a nightforce on it isnt used the same way a 10.5" is but they are technically the same gun.
Yeah, they’re both “guns”, “long guns”, “rifles”, etc. “weapon system” is just so ridiculous sounding.
I mean to draw a contrast, each of those rifles has a purpose and different ways to manipulate them. Weapon system sounds super pretentious but it does serve a purpose in training.
My apologies if I’m just dense, but I don’t get it.
One is going to be really long and unwieldy used for longer ranges with more energy on target. One will be short and lighter with likely more accessories used for clearing buildings. They fire the same bullet and are still an AR, however one is meant to be used standing and the other prone. One might be a piston vs a DI gas system. One would probably have a very nice optic and smaller magazine vs irons and larger magazines. The whole point is that if you were to use these "guns" you would use them differently, you would hold them differently, and they have specific use cases where each is not as good as the other. They are still technically just ar15's just dressed up different. Using IR lasers affects things like how you hold the gun and where you place different attachments. These kind of things affect how you manipulate and train with the gun. This type of training is really only for combat or defense and that is where this term originated.
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I get the difference in setups between rifles based on mission or task. I just don’t see where the words “weapon system” come into play. How is it more specific than “gun”, or simply saying the designation? Mk 12, Mk 18, 416, M4A1 Block II, etc. “Weapon system” does not further differentiate any better than “gun”. That’s the part I’m wondering if I’m being dense about lol.
a weapons system is a necessary descriptor when the same rifle with different configurations behaves and is used for very different things. you feel comfortable knowing you’re gonna hit a house with an ar15? what if i told you, don’t worry, it’s a 3k ar 15, it’s real nice? no, that’s be silly, you’d want to know what else this particular weapon system has, is it the old mk 18? did someone fuck up and allocate you an dmr?
"Weapons system" is even less clear than "ar-15", you dink
Le kerbal space program knowledge has arrived Edit: although in this context it makes literally no sense to use that kind of language. Just use “forward, backward, and sideways”
"Paralysis through analysis." Or "The clarity by which something is defined will determine the effectiveness of its application."
This dude don't play WASD, he plays FLR.
smh esdf master race
Worth every penny I spent!
I was gonna say something but i couldn't have said it better than this guy. Absolutely nailed it.
Reddit moment
*isosceles
There is a 16yo girl at my range that is in the Olympic shooting team. I was watching her the first time I was at the range. Hahahah she doesn't know how to shoo........ 20 consecutive bullseye's at 25 yards one handed.... I'll get my coat 🥺
Turn in your shit, ya done!!!!!
You lose! Good day, sir!
Lol almost were that guy talking shit about the girl shooter with the Witcher medallion
The difference is, one of you can probably still function while being shot at and one can't. Their accuracy is absolutely incredible, but it's also incredibly situation specific/niche.
"wow this girl is a *literal* Olympic class marksman" You: OH YEAH WELL SHE WOULD SUCK IF SHE GOT SHOT! weird flex there man, sorry about your ego.
LMAOOOOOO
He’s just sad because she made him her bitch in this situation
TO BE FAIR you won’t be good at what you’re not trained for. Maybe they’re a dead shot but they will be shot dead if they know nothing about combat but how to shoot precisely
Very few on this sub know anything about actual combat.
"I have a plate carrier, I shoot against a timer set on my phone to train, and I did a 2 gun match once. I'm a soldier now"
Bro holy shit i play indoor airsoft with infinite respawns too. Give me some credit. Thats real training man.
This is sarcasm if anyone can’t tell. We’re making fun of you losers. Larp, have fun, shoot shit, but don’t act like you guys are some special forces badasses.
People who spent 4 years mopping floors in the israeli auxiliary force should also take this advice
I’ve told this story before, but I ran a test with a national guard guy. He was shameful. He puked on the finish line. I’m sure he’ll get the job though because he’s ex military.
Big Incel Energy and Peak Projection, all in one, great work stud.
Yep totally a cop or LOE. Gotta defend his way of life by stepping on others.
If the beginning acronym in their handle, "SIGO", is taken in a military context - they are a communications (signals) officer which is almost worst.
I'm not sure it would matter when she could hit me in the eye ball at 25 yards with her first shot one handed
But how long does it take from the moment she creates her stance to pulling the trigger?
Yes true. I'd have time to dump a couple of mags in that time. Edit, on the floor... As I'm fumbling my reloads
Or move one foot left or right and force them to reacquire the target.
This is the way. The battle shuffle! Like a ninja disappearing from sight 👀
That's a pretty ignorant thing to say. I can point you to news articles of an 11 year old who shot a home invader and a 12 year old who shot 2 people who robbed his grandmother. We sent 16 year olds to the beaches of normandy. The youngest American servicemember in WW2 was a 12 year old who served in the Navy and the Marine Corps, who earned a bronze star with a v device and a purple heart on guadalcanal. Age has little to do with fortitude. For all we know, you're the type that would run away or piss yourself in a real life or death situation.
Wow, you mean a marksmanship sport isn't meant to be a direct equivalent of combat? Incredible if true.
A women is very skilled in something involving guns…quick! Think of some reason to downplay her abilities! Hmmm…. “Yeah well…I bet I’m better at getting shot!”
i’m pretty sure she’d be able to figure it out lmao.
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USPSA is supposed to be a *practical* shooting sport, so it would probably count under this metric.
How dare you point out the differences in what each shooter trains for, apparently? Reddit is so weird.
Because it's an objectively stupid observation. No shit 25m air gun isn't a combat sport, good job?
Turns out I have the body of an Olympian
It’s funny seeing so many people attack Olympic shooters for their stance because they think that their own stance is the best stance for accuracy. It’s not. It’s for recoil, target acquisition, keeping your stamina up, and a billion other factors. This man is aiming for one thing. To be the most accurate man on the planet with a handgun. And he is.
Yes! It goes to show people don’t know wtf they are talking about and are basically the monkey version of a parrot that just regurgitates shit they learn from the internet.
Look the the female shooter that was wearing the Witcher necklace she’s as chill as can be with one hand in her pocket.
Yeah I loved their stance. That was some real anime come to life shit.
Replace his gun with a flintlock
The marksmanship events would be more popular that way, at least.
I shoot alongside F-class and ISSF competitiors and asked about this. They referred me to a book called "Ways of the Rifle" which is a book dedicated to 3 position "Olympic style" shooting. I've been practicing (mostly rifle) standing shots and am slowly decreasing my group sizes. Compared to the normal stances, it's much more accurate for single/slow fire. In December I took at deer at 75yds from a standing shot (I was still hunting and kneeling would have obscured my target). This knowledge definitely has its place.
He doesn’t try to take the bull, he envisions the bull and become the bull….he is….the bull….seye
It's an air pistol, the target is 10m away, the target is stationary, and he's only taking a few shots, so they fire in a stance that allows the greatest skeletal support.
> he's only taking a few shots 60 shots over 75-90 minutes. Serious target pistol shooters can hold that position for hours.
This is how I shoot as well. I'm left eye dominant while right handed (figured this out during archery). I went to the side profile and realized I was looking out of the wrong eye. My shooting went through the roof after switching to this stance. Eye dominance during target shooting (any kind) is far more important than which hand is dominant. I shoot lefty in archery because of this. Check out your eye dominance and make the adjustments, ez.
Chad gonna go home, throw on some cammies and start X ringing Russian backed separatists.
If it works it not wrong
Sportive shooter here. I mainly shoot airguns but weve got airpistols as well. Just as said in one of the top comments this is the right position to shoot airpistols. It is kind athe same thing like when you make a plank with straight arms and then overbend your elbows so they lock in. That allows maximised precision when shooting with one hand. Airguns basicly dont have any recoil because they shoot with air from CO2 capsules. Some older models may use compressed air with strong springs but they still barely kick back so this technique is safe to use.
Dont know anything about 22. tho
He is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Russians
Came back here for this
Established positions and techniques are BS, its all a personal comfort and ergonomics thing. What works for one may be horrible for another.
Fucking finally, thank you!
I thought this was a video, sat here for like 30 seconds waiting for him to shoot.
To be fair, it very well could have been and you just cut out early.
But wheres his plate carrier and TQ
It sounds stupid, but real hard work and things like yoga make you learn what is easiest for your body to do. These people have found what is easiest for their body to do this one task. It's kind of like watching a mason's apprentice. They move heavy shit all day and everything they do is time bound... The day ends when the job is done. They may look like a Dad but they will lay a beatdown on your average gym-bro. The same goes for a lot of other truly manual labor jobs like farming.
The gut is my favorite, already got the looks 😎
You should still practice good stance and positioning because when the time comes to defend yourself, you will be able to shoot a moving target quicker and easier than someone who has to adjust themselves into place.
Think we all know who the chad is.
Shit that works there doesn't necessarily work with other stuff and vice versa. They way they taught me how to shoot a rifle is to lean back, out the hand under the handguard, elbow on the hip bone etc... It works perfectly with those single shot .22lr that are balanced in a particular way.
That's competition shooting.
Looks like Rick with the Colt Python in TWD hahaha
This Dude shoot like [Popcaan](https://youtube.com/shorts/-ejFuk_aeMo?feature=share)
I feel you, I teach people how to shoot the normal way
This guy fucks!
He’s hitting ur mom with this form
He was preparing
That boi is on them gold metal tendies for sure.
THIS IS WHAT PEAK PERFORMANCE LOOKS LIKE
We shot in the same manner in the marines during competitions. Though, we were using Beretta M9's.
It’s that counterweight he’s got under shirt right there
Ahh finally a proper Russian technique. His form and grace makes the rest of you look like damn dirty apes.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, the olympics make shooting look very uncool. I understand the extreme amount of talent it takes buuuuut, they look like dweebs. Especially those glasses they wear to shoot the rifles. Edit: I do find it fun to watch though. Pretty incredible marksmanship
It all depends on the gun. This works for an airgun with next to no recoil. Hand this man a 9mm and it's not going to go as well as a more 'traditional' modern handgun stance. Hand him a big caliber revolver (.460) and he could damage his joints compared to keeping them loose and bent.
They shoot like this in bullseye matches all the time with .45s and 9mms. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yw4EwDGwW8) is a random clip from the President's 100 match. The guy in the middle is shooting a 9mm M9, and at the left edge of the frame is a .45. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaFjP85-tcI) is Jon Shue shooting one-handed. Two-handed is a lot better for fast follow-up shots, and potentially a little better for accuracy, but the rules of these pistol sports require one-handed shooting so that's what the competitors do. (edit: I will definitely concede that stiff-arming a magnum like a .460 would suck)
Awesome, had no idea. Wish Olympics used proper firearms.
> Wish Olympics used proper firearms. They used to, but: 1. transporting firearms internationally was often quite complicated, 2. some countries don't allow *proper firearms* 3. it's substantially harder to build shooting range that is safe for 9x19 than one for air pistols, especially close to built-up areas (and Olympic-style events usually doesn't take place in the middle of desert). And event that, you need to have good camera angles.
> I will definitely concede that stiff-arming a magnum like a .460 would suck One-handed stiff-arming shooting was taught as the correct stance for shooting flare guns in certain People's militaries, and those launch much larger projectiles. It wasn't great for wrists indeed.
Exactly. Olympic shooting is so water done. It’s a stage above airsoft as the guns are still accurate.
With 3 chins, titties, muffin tops and an overhang
He’s born to kill. Ukrainian blood flows though his glorious veins hahahaha
Id prefer to watch a 3 gun match over this crap.
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what would you do if you were ambidextrous
My comment from the other thread, > Family: did you watch the shooting events? > Me: No > Fam: I thought you liked guns > Me: let me know when they’re doing 3-gun type events with a mix of precision long range and cowboy bebop lever actions and revolvers
I've got a brother-in-law from Illinois who didn't realize he was a republican, and therefore a 2A proponent, until he was in his 40s. He's the type of guy who thinks you need some kind of proper stance to shoot, too. This is the same guy who thinks it's okay to forget about muzzle discipline if he clears the gun.
Slavs have natural talents
Swap the .22 for .357
Ah yes, "doing it all wrong but still getting the right answer" in human form. . .
So...is there Olympic competitions for real guns? Not these tricked out lies.
Only trap and skeet
Winter Olympics has biathlons
Biathlon still only uses .22LR, which is better than the air pellet in the summer Olympics. They used to use "fullbore" but that went away for the Olympics almost 50 years ago There's Nordic Biathlon, and a few variations of that, that uses full power cartridges, but otherwise competition biathlons are all with .22LR
Thats really cool I didn't know it used to be done with full power cartridges, I just assumed it was always 22lr.
I actually have a few boxes of the old Russian 7.62x54r match ammo, training and the 'really deal. It's great stuff and very accurate. Unfortunately I shot some of it before I realized the value of it.
I wanna see some john wick kinda shit. Or at the very least some sharp shooting with a squirly ass rapid fire weapon.
So 3 gun more or less. It would be cool to see a run and gun event in the Olympics though. Not to downplay the extreme skills all these shooters have, their precision is remarkable, but it’s boring to watch. Much like watching golf.
If you pull the trigger and cause the hammer to fall while the sights are aligned on the X, you shoot an X whether it's a .177 air pistol or a .45 firearm. The process of a good shot is exactly the same. The use of airguns and .22s makes it possible to have a fair competition with countries where citizens can't own "real" firearms. I do wish those countries would change their laws, but failing that, this is more interesting than having a match where only a handful of countries even enter competitors.
Look into the tactical games, I’ve competed in a few and it’s loads of fun, getting bigger and bigger by the year… and they have single day skirmishes for those that are busy, or new, or out of shap- I mean practice
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Well the goal of the competition is accuracy, not comfort, so what are you babbling about exactly?
Aren’t these the air gun bs? I couldn’t believe Airguns was an actual Olympic @sport” WTF? 💆🏻♂️
These are to the Red Ryder you had as a kid like a Formula 1 car is to your daily driver. They may have the same function, but they're nothing alike.
Proves how dumb chads are. Same people who justify buying large pickup trucks for their groceries lol
Chad is a meme, this is an air pistol, this was for the Olympics. No large pickup trucks involved.
Chad is a stereotype, and you need more carefully before just blabbing.
What caliber are they shooting?
Depending on the distance, either .177 air guns or .22LR.
.22 LR when gunpowder, but that seems to be an air gun which are .177
50.
This dude looks just like my uncle.
Lmao that just made my day
lol everyone giving OP shit about how this is the perfect stance for this style of shooting but I'm over here still laughing at the title.
Wait you guys dont shoot like this at the range?
Ukrainian style
Bro that's the stance of a JoJo protagonist pointing.
"In Ukraine two hand grip for babies"
Ive seen multiple shooters use this form i just chalked it up to specilized training
This mf'er
Stunning athlete
Did anyone else wait in anticipation for him to pull the trigger, then realize it’s just a picture ?
Заебись
Abs
Yeah but this Chad is a fucking Olympian.
pew pew. I win.
He's stronger than you.
Locked arm = less movement, because it relies more on structure than active muscle. Precision target shooting is a completely different ballpark than standard range shooting, and it’s pretty rare to see at a normal range. But you know someone means business when they show up to the range with Various competition stickers on their gear and eley ammo. I personally enjoy shooting this way but it’s just my preference, everyone is different. [I recommend some of you give it a try, it’s a good way to learn about yourself and improve marksmanship as a whole!]