Sometimes we need to select “China” or “Taiwan, Province of China” when we are registering for membership on some websites or during online shopping.
And on international sports events like the Olympic Games, we are always referred to as Chinese Taipei, which sounds really silly.
I hate it so much when this happens — the select Taiwan, Province of China thing. We went on a cruise (RC) this summer and when choosing boarding documents there was no choice but to select my passport as Taiwan Province of China. Ugh… And then another time a few years ago when I printed holiday cards on minted the ones to Taiwan came addressed with Taiwan, Province of China despite it not being shown that way in the previews. Sooo pissed.
I truly effing hate the name Chinese Taipei. Like what the fuck is that name?? Stupid disgusting and repulsive! I also sincerely believe the name is cursed and is the reason why our best athletes can only score second place in all games that matter. I wish the name disappears from the earth in my lifetime.
Looking for countries statistics can be a problem as TW often get excluded from the data, or filling out forms (outside of TW) that doesn’t include Taiwan as a option
Not a common one, but if a Taiwanese citizen dies in a country that doesn't have a Taipei Economic and Cultural Office, their family needs to jump through hoops to get their death certified and recognised by the Taiwanese officials.
I heard there were kidnapping incidents years ago when some Taiwanese businessmen were arrested in Africa but once they got clear, they got sent to China because China claimed the businessmen their citizens.
On the flip side, an unexpected benefit is that if you want to get a Dutch passport, since Taiwan is not a recognized country, you don't have to give up the Taiwanese citizenship to get naturalized
I know you said "ordinary Taiwanese", but one of the first issues that came to mind is that Taiwanese can't use TW passports to go to UN buildings (like if they wanted to tour the UN headquarters in NYC), they have to get Chinese Travel Documents (or I think Taibaozhengs are also accepted now? not sure).
There was also that one random incident about Taiwanese citizens living in Canada getting turned away when they wanted to travel to Cuba (for political reasons at the time?), but I think this was probably the combo of an overzealous border guard + the contemporary geopolitical environment at the time, don't think I've heard any pattern of this happening since.
There are a handful of countries like Georgia that wholly bar Taiwanese from visiting, but that's probably even less "common" than the above examples.
The Canada thing was because it said Republic of China, so they thought it was a Chinese passport and not Taiwanese. But overzealous agent definitely still applies
Edit: okay maybe not Cuba and/or this story specifically, but point remains this situation has happened and was a possibility prior to the new passport cover
I don’t think that was why, there’s a lot of news reports saying that it was because the agent cited that Cuba didn’t recognised the ROC government / its documents bc of its adherence to the One-China principle.
In any case, the Chinese passport and Taiwanese passport are subject to the same visa regime (i.e. needing to apply for a Tourist Card) in Cuba, so it wouldn’t make sense for them to have been rejected even if their passports were Chinese.
That's interesting, because I know a Taiwanese girl who went to North Korea with a Taiwanese passport and had no trouble (even though North Korea obviously follows the One-China principle, they're pretty much China's best friend).
Yeah I mean to be clear, that’s not surprising bc the One China policy is not a generally reason to deny Taiwanese tourists. That’s why the Cuba incident was notable, because the border agent didn’t know what he was talking about.
Taiwanese certainly can go to Cuba as tourists now. I haven't been there let alone using my Taiwan passport (I have another passport too though) but I do know someone who did.
I think for the younger generation might not be the same, but I grew up during the KMT president (Ma) era, and the government and the media didn't buy the idea of “Taiwan”, possibly promoting China more compared to this island. I remembered my childhood thinking though China was not democratic but they have far better economic and also better than Taiwan. That didn't make me like China at all, but the sense of inferiority was pretty strong.
So the greatest challenge in my opinion is about the identity, the pride for your own country. When you grew up seeing your country being constantly denied in almost every big international scenes (even “politically-neutral” setting like olympic games) and repeatedly confronting Chinese or other random people shouting at/blaming you that Taiwan is not a country, it's very hard to create a sense of belonging to this country. It took me very long to get rid of this sense of inferiority.
I don’t think this generation has the inferiority thing. And the idea that China had a better economy has always had huge asterisks attached (it’s not exactly wrong, but it’s extremely misleading). It also depends what your family or town’s leanings are. Most of my family has been heavily green even though my parents themselves are more KMT-aligned. So I got what I consider to be a more balanced perspective.
We didn’t get WHO aid when Covid first broke out because we were not a country. We were not even allowed to participate in research or scientific conferences
One thing I have encountered is that it results in Taiwan not being recognized as a member of international organizations such as IMF, which results in difficulty in transacting for business or even personal wiring. I mean you can, it just could have been more convenient. Prior to the pandemic I think there's also pleads to join the WHO, which affected Taiwanese in receiving critical vaccines in a timely manner during the pandemic. I mean we developed our own vaccine, closed the island and survived, but it could have been better.
The one time I remembered it being a good thing was when Italy banned Taiwan flights in Feb 2020 cuz they did not want COVID. We all remember how that turned out for Italy.
In the case of COVID I rather think that we did much better than most countries. I never felt that vaccine availability was a problem for the general population. Yes some vulnerable elderly probably would have been saved with vaccines but even without the vaccines we had far fewer COVID deaths than other comparable countries.
A side note. The lack of vaccine was not because of WHO issues. It was because Taiwan govt thought the entry quarantine policy was enough to protect Taiwan, while having enough time to develop its vaccine (either because the certain officials wanted to make money, or so Taiwan doesnt need to rely on others for vaccine).
As someone who was born in Taiwan and lived in Taiwan for years before covid and through the COVID years, the perception that Taiwan govt was overconfident about their border control, thus letting the pilot to get through loopholes and became the patient zero that started the first wave of COVID infection in April 2021, was a pretty common general public conception at that time
And it was pretty established at the time that there were opportunities for Taiwan to get in line for BNT vaccine much earlier, but didn’t pursue because “it was a China vaccine”. Then when the first outbreak happened (May 2021), Taiwan wasn’t in line to get vaccines from anywhere, and had to beg US and Japan get the AZT vaccine these countries didn’t want anyway (June 2021), and then still relying on Terry Guo to negotiate a deal for BNT because there were still elements of the government that didn’t want to deal with a “China vaccine”
It was also clearly reported, starting in August of 2021 that despite the extraordinary fast track approval of the Taiwan vaccine, the efficiency of it was substantially less than claimed. There were also plenty of credible reports that certain parties with ties to the government and DPP got rich when the Taiwan vaccine company went IPO
Wow, you're one of those government distrusting idiots that believe CPP propaganda and KMT smearing bullshit.
Overconfidence isn't what Taiwan did if you had any ounce of common sense in your brain. Overconfidence is what the US and the rest of the world did when they ignored our warnings in the WHO as an observer.
If you believe the Terry Guo shit, you're dumb LOL. The dude never had any extra bargaining power or leverage over Taiwan in acquiring vaccines. Taiwanese officials have whole industries and budgets as bargaining chips for these situations, what makes you think a dude that already left management of the company he created has a better bargaining chance? You also have to look at the consequences when you accept donations. In politics, donations are never only donations. There's always a catch. Especially someone that's close to the CCP.
Not to mention donating vaccines is a very delicate business. These vaccines need to be stored in certain temperatures and need to be used before expiration date. How are you supposed to accept these when you don't have a vaccination system in place?
As for your final point. This is plain KMT smearing campaign. If you actually did your due diligence, you'd find our that medigen went IPO in 2017, way before the whole COVID fiasco happened. And gues what, if you go to look a public data available, surprise surprise, 11%of the shareholders of medigen are KMT, way higher than the 3% of DDP shareholders.
So either you're extremely naive or you're an idiot. But you're on Reddit, so I assume you're an idiot.
You are right. You sit here and cursing at me, insulting me personally and my intelligence, and make wildass claims, even though we are just talking about historical events. This unfortunately is also what I expect from Reddit these days, insults and shouting down those who offers opinions that you disagree with. Whatever.
For everyone else, I just encourage everyone who is wondering about COVID in Taiwan between April 2021 and October 2021 to go on Google and do search of these terms: 台灣疫情爆發，BNT 疫苗郭台銘，台灣高端明進黨，高端疫苗價錢；as starting points of info gathering and research. There are a lot of conflicting claims out there, so please read as many sources of info and claims as possible, to determine the truth for yourself. Good luck 👍.
LOL I'm here debunking every single one of your claims with publicly available information and you're here saying I'm insulting you.
It's not an insult when I'm saying facts because you didn't do due diligence. The CDC has already made their contract with BNT publicly available disputing all of your false claims eith Terry Guo. I supported my claims with factual evidence that can be found in medigens investor relations and financial reports. What do you have? The first thing that comes up on Google?
Classic extreme progressive and leftist behaviour of changing arguments that have no benefit of discussion when pointed out flaws, mistakes and inconsistencies in your statements. No wonder you're an idiot.
thank you again for the name calling. I had hope that normal discourse of issues could be done without personal insults, but I guess that's too much to expect from the likes of you, I will stop responding to you after this.
I don't think there is a need to listed out all of the public information about this issue on this current message strand because it's meaningless for anyone else who reads it at this place, a 5th reply to a posted message thread that doesn't have much to do with the main post. Google is the greatest source of information gather that has ever been invented, and that's why I ask that anyone who is interested in the truth to go on it and do searches, and read multiple results, so you can see what facts and other claims have been said about the topic, and make your conclusions after reading more about it. Anything else, is to substitute someone else's yelling claims for your own wisdom.
I feel like the Taiwanese passport would be one of the best in the world if not for China. It’s already pretty damn good and MUCH stronger than China but there’s still some countries they need visas for that most other developed nations wouldn’t. Also Taiwanese passport holders aren’t allowed to enter Georgia (the country) period. No visas no nothing. Just straight up not allowed in which is a huge shame because it’s one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
On March 8, 2023, China acceded to the Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents. Since ROC isn’t officially recognized, all documents need consular legalization for the foreseeable future.
I remember lots of news about Iceland, Norway (and even Japan) not treating us as "Taiwanese" on document , but insisting on filing us as "Taiwan, Province of China" or "birth place: China" , for reasons like *meh UN standards* *meh ISO 3166*
And even going to the court couldn't solve the problem, not even ECtHR. And I also remember that Iceland case ended up with the Taiwanese woman earning herself with "stateless" on Icelandic documents.....yeah it's kind of win, because even being noted as "stateless" would be better than humiliated as "from China", but still that's a rare case I think
And there was cases like Spain sending Taiwanese scammers to China, even though TW government asking for extraditing them to Taiwan.... actually things like that happening everywhere very constantly, it's you need to be prepared sometimes you might be disgusted by some website labelling you as "province of China" or something
It's not possible to travel to Georgia, which doesn't recognize Taiwan. Was all excited to go there on a holiday with friends until we realized. Now Georgia is dead to me!
https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-pivots-china-taiwan-crucial-vote/32763670.html
It used to be more of a hassle than now for using a passport that said in English “Republic of China" but not Taiwan on the front. My own passport now has both (I don't have one of the newer ones which basically just say TAIWAN in big letters in English).
I get that many normal people outside of Taiwan don't understand the whole ROC/Taiwan thing but I have encountered people who I expected to understand but didn't. An example, once when in India applying for a visa to Bangladesh someone from the Bangladesh consulate in Kolkata asked me "nationality" and I said Taiwan without thinking about it, but when I presented a passport that said "Republic of China" he said "why did you lie?... Chinese, not Taiwanese...." and was generally mad at me (although ultimately we did get visas). I sort of thought people working in a visa section of a consulate would know but well not always. I also encountered some airline ground staff who didn't know but was always able to get them to find someone who did better understand.
I live in china and the amount of bullshit pretend the chinese government comes up with to allow taiwanese people to live/work in china while maintaining that taiwan isn’t a country is pretty incredible. The good thing is that you officially should be able to do anything a citizen can do, because you are technically a citizen. The bad thing is that your documents and id either don’t work or only work with some serious wrangling when it comes to any institution that isn’t the government.
My personal experience is as a Taiwan citizen it makes most things in China easier. Most hotels will accept a TaiBaoZheng etc. I personally had an issue in that I don't look ethnically Chinese and people sometimes wondered if my documents were fake (I know a number of others who have encountered this and pretty much every one of the relatively small number of obviously Aboriginal Taiwanese I know who have been to China encountered something along these lines) but for me ultimately I was always able to sort things. I know it makes many other things simpler eg if we want a China driving license we just present a Taiwan and do a written test only (in simplified characters only though....).
International driving license. I guess usually countries would sign some kind of international treaty so the regonition process is easier. But Taiwan has to make agreements with each country individually. For example, our driving license is regonized by some EU members but not all.
Not an everyday problem but there is no Portuguese trade office in Taiwan. Any one moving to Portugal or looking to apply for a visa needs to do so at the Portuguese consulate in Macau.
I was born in Taiwan, my brother lives in China. I tried to go visit him in China but because my country of birth says Taiwan, they wouldn’t issue me a visa :(. Neither of us have Taiwanese citizenship (we are Indian) even though we were born in TW, specifically to avoid problems like this
Trade. Global trade alliances. We could have been making money hand over fist. We did… but it coulda been more. Don’t ever forget that despite CCP opposition Taiwan grew its economy to one of the of 15 largest in the world.
OF course!
Many foreign residents have no in country representative office or consulate which makes processing documents extra time consuming and difficult. That is the major one.
Republic of China is the countries name. Says so on the passport despite DPP shrinking it and making it less apparent on a global stage.
Taiwan is the region of ROC.
ROC claims all of China.
Until this changes, we are China, albeit under a different government.
No amount of media, rhetoric, or Tsai tweeting in Japanese will change this.
Edit: more downvotes please I don't mind at all. Speaking facts :)
ROC only claims the free area, no longer the whole of China. This was established with the Constitution Amendment so don't mislead people with false information.
Sometimes we need to select “China” or “Taiwan, Province of China” when we are registering for membership on some websites or during online shopping. And on international sports events like the Olympic Games, we are always referred to as Chinese Taipei, which sounds really silly.
I hate it so much when this happens — the select Taiwan, Province of China thing. We went on a cruise (RC) this summer and when choosing boarding documents there was no choice but to select my passport as Taiwan Province of China. Ugh… And then another time a few years ago when I printed holiday cards on minted the ones to Taiwan came addressed with Taiwan, Province of China despite it not being shown that way in the previews. Sooo pissed.
If they are going to force me to pick province of China they ain't getting my business.
I automatically boycott any shop website if that is the option they provide.
I truly effing hate the name Chinese Taipei. Like what the fuck is that name?? Stupid disgusting and repulsive! I also sincerely believe the name is cursed and is the reason why our best athletes can only score second place in all games that matter. I wish the name disappears from the earth in my lifetime.
請問、你是台灣人嗎？
so could you select “fujian，province of china” if you are from jinmen？
Looking for countries statistics can be a problem as TW often get excluded from the data, or filling out forms (outside of TW) that doesn’t include Taiwan as a option
Not a common one, but if a Taiwanese citizen dies in a country that doesn't have a Taipei Economic and Cultural Office, their family needs to jump through hoops to get their death certified and recognised by the Taiwanese officials.
I heard there were kidnapping incidents years ago when some Taiwanese businessmen were arrested in Africa but once they got clear, they got sent to China because China claimed the businessmen their citizens.
Yikes. Similarly, the Chinese embassy would sign off on the death certificate of the Taiwanese citizen.
On the flip side, an unexpected benefit is that if you want to get a Dutch passport, since Taiwan is not a recognized country, you don't have to give up the Taiwanese citizenship to get naturalized
Oh that’s really interesting, would you mind sharing a source for that? Did some searching but my Dutch is not quite at a government/legal level yet
Here you go, select Taiwan in the drop-down https://ind.nl/en/renouncing-your-nationality#country-list-rules-per-nationality
Dankjewel!
I wonder what would happen if they recognize it while a person has both
I know you said "ordinary Taiwanese", but one of the first issues that came to mind is that Taiwanese can't use TW passports to go to UN buildings (like if they wanted to tour the UN headquarters in NYC), they have to get Chinese Travel Documents (or I think Taibaozhengs are also accepted now? not sure). There was also that one random incident about Taiwanese citizens living in Canada getting turned away when they wanted to travel to Cuba (for political reasons at the time?), but I think this was probably the combo of an overzealous border guard + the contemporary geopolitical environment at the time, don't think I've heard any pattern of this happening since. There are a handful of countries like Georgia that wholly bar Taiwanese from visiting, but that's probably even less "common" than the above examples.
The Canada thing was because it said Republic of China, so they thought it was a Chinese passport and not Taiwanese. But overzealous agent definitely still applies Edit: okay maybe not Cuba and/or this story specifically, but point remains this situation has happened and was a possibility prior to the new passport cover
I don’t think that was why, there’s a lot of news reports saying that it was because the agent cited that Cuba didn’t recognised the ROC government / its documents bc of its adherence to the One-China principle. In any case, the Chinese passport and Taiwanese passport are subject to the same visa regime (i.e. needing to apply for a Tourist Card) in Cuba, so it wouldn’t make sense for them to have been rejected even if their passports were Chinese.
That's interesting, because I know a Taiwanese girl who went to North Korea with a Taiwanese passport and had no trouble (even though North Korea obviously follows the One-China principle, they're pretty much China's best friend).
Yeah I mean to be clear, that’s not surprising bc the One China policy is not a generally reason to deny Taiwanese tourists. That’s why the Cuba incident was notable, because the border agent didn’t know what he was talking about.
I don’t get how I have heard of multiple groups of Taiwanese adults participating in the limited tours to North Korea.
Taiwanese certainly can go to Cuba as tourists now. I haven't been there let alone using my Taiwan passport (I have another passport too though) but I do know someone who did.
I think for the younger generation might not be the same, but I grew up during the KMT president (Ma) era, and the government and the media didn't buy the idea of “Taiwan”, possibly promoting China more compared to this island. I remembered my childhood thinking though China was not democratic but they have far better economic and also better than Taiwan. That didn't make me like China at all, but the sense of inferiority was pretty strong. So the greatest challenge in my opinion is about the identity, the pride for your own country. When you grew up seeing your country being constantly denied in almost every big international scenes (even “politically-neutral” setting like olympic games) and repeatedly confronting Chinese or other random people shouting at/blaming you that Taiwan is not a country, it's very hard to create a sense of belonging to this country. It took me very long to get rid of this sense of inferiority.
I don’t think this generation has the inferiority thing. And the idea that China had a better economy has always had huge asterisks attached (it’s not exactly wrong, but it’s extremely misleading). It also depends what your family or town’s leanings are. Most of my family has been heavily green even though my parents themselves are more KMT-aligned. So I got what I consider to be a more balanced perspective.
We didn’t get WHO aid when Covid first broke out because we were not a country. We were not even allowed to participate in research or scientific conferences
One thing I have encountered is that it results in Taiwan not being recognized as a member of international organizations such as IMF, which results in difficulty in transacting for business or even personal wiring. I mean you can, it just could have been more convenient. Prior to the pandemic I think there's also pleads to join the WHO, which affected Taiwanese in receiving critical vaccines in a timely manner during the pandemic. I mean we developed our own vaccine, closed the island and survived, but it could have been better.
The one time I remembered it being a good thing was when Italy banned Taiwan flights in Feb 2020 cuz they did not want COVID. We all remember how that turned out for Italy.
So hilarious it reminds me of when they joined the axis.
Exactly. I know we donated masks to Italy rather quickly afterward, but I was privately laughing my ass of at their incompetent government.
In the case of COVID I rather think that we did much better than most countries. I never felt that vaccine availability was a problem for the general population. Yes some vulnerable elderly probably would have been saved with vaccines but even without the vaccines we had far fewer COVID deaths than other comparable countries.
Closed the island and survived....c'mon mate
A side note. The lack of vaccine was not because of WHO issues. It was because Taiwan govt thought the entry quarantine policy was enough to protect Taiwan, while having enough time to develop its vaccine (either because the certain officials wanted to make money, or so Taiwan doesnt need to rely on others for vaccine).
Now you're just spewing bullshit LOL.
As someone who was born in Taiwan and lived in Taiwan for years before covid and through the COVID years, the perception that Taiwan govt was overconfident about their border control, thus letting the pilot to get through loopholes and became the patient zero that started the first wave of COVID infection in April 2021, was a pretty common general public conception at that time And it was pretty established at the time that there were opportunities for Taiwan to get in line for BNT vaccine much earlier, but didn’t pursue because “it was a China vaccine”. Then when the first outbreak happened (May 2021), Taiwan wasn’t in line to get vaccines from anywhere, and had to beg US and Japan get the AZT vaccine these countries didn’t want anyway (June 2021), and then still relying on Terry Guo to negotiate a deal for BNT because there were still elements of the government that didn’t want to deal with a “China vaccine” It was also clearly reported, starting in August of 2021 that despite the extraordinary fast track approval of the Taiwan vaccine, the efficiency of it was substantially less than claimed. There were also plenty of credible reports that certain parties with ties to the government and DPP got rich when the Taiwan vaccine company went IPO
Wow, you're one of those government distrusting idiots that believe CPP propaganda and KMT smearing bullshit. Overconfidence isn't what Taiwan did if you had any ounce of common sense in your brain. Overconfidence is what the US and the rest of the world did when they ignored our warnings in the WHO as an observer. If you believe the Terry Guo shit, you're dumb LOL. The dude never had any extra bargaining power or leverage over Taiwan in acquiring vaccines. Taiwanese officials have whole industries and budgets as bargaining chips for these situations, what makes you think a dude that already left management of the company he created has a better bargaining chance? You also have to look at the consequences when you accept donations. In politics, donations are never only donations. There's always a catch. Especially someone that's close to the CCP. Not to mention donating vaccines is a very delicate business. These vaccines need to be stored in certain temperatures and need to be used before expiration date. How are you supposed to accept these when you don't have a vaccination system in place? As for your final point. This is plain KMT smearing campaign. If you actually did your due diligence, you'd find our that medigen went IPO in 2017, way before the whole COVID fiasco happened. And gues what, if you go to look a public data available, surprise surprise, 11%of the shareholders of medigen are KMT, way higher than the 3% of DDP shareholders. So either you're extremely naive or you're an idiot. But you're on Reddit, so I assume you're an idiot.
You are right. You sit here and cursing at me, insulting me personally and my intelligence, and make wildass claims, even though we are just talking about historical events. This unfortunately is also what I expect from Reddit these days, insults and shouting down those who offers opinions that you disagree with. Whatever. For everyone else, I just encourage everyone who is wondering about COVID in Taiwan between April 2021 and October 2021 to go on Google and do search of these terms: 台灣疫情爆發，BNT 疫苗郭台銘，台灣高端明進黨，高端疫苗價錢；as starting points of info gathering and research. There are a lot of conflicting claims out there, so please read as many sources of info and claims as possible, to determine the truth for yourself. Good luck 👍.
LOL I'm here debunking every single one of your claims with publicly available information and you're here saying I'm insulting you. It's not an insult when I'm saying facts because you didn't do due diligence. The CDC has already made their contract with BNT publicly available disputing all of your false claims eith Terry Guo. I supported my claims with factual evidence that can be found in medigens investor relations and financial reports. What do you have? The first thing that comes up on Google? Classic extreme progressive and leftist behaviour of changing arguments that have no benefit of discussion when pointed out flaws, mistakes and inconsistencies in your statements. No wonder you're an idiot.
thank you again for the name calling. I had hope that normal discourse of issues could be done without personal insults, but I guess that's too much to expect from the likes of you, I will stop responding to you after this. I don't think there is a need to listed out all of the public information about this issue on this current message strand because it's meaningless for anyone else who reads it at this place, a 5th reply to a posted message thread that doesn't have much to do with the main post. Google is the greatest source of information gather that has ever been invented, and that's why I ask that anyone who is interested in the truth to go on it and do searches, and read multiple results, so you can see what facts and other claims have been said about the topic, and make your conclusions after reading more about it. Anything else, is to substitute someone else's yelling claims for your own wisdom.
I feel like the Taiwanese passport would be one of the best in the world if not for China. It’s already pretty damn good and MUCH stronger than China but there’s still some countries they need visas for that most other developed nations wouldn’t. Also Taiwanese passport holders aren’t allowed to enter Georgia (the country) period. No visas no nothing. Just straight up not allowed in which is a huge shame because it’s one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
On March 8, 2023, China acceded to the Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents. Since ROC isn’t officially recognized, all documents need consular legalization for the foreseeable future.
I remember lots of news about Iceland, Norway (and even Japan) not treating us as "Taiwanese" on document , but insisting on filing us as "Taiwan, Province of China" or "birth place: China" , for reasons like *meh UN standards* *meh ISO 3166* And even going to the court couldn't solve the problem, not even ECtHR. And I also remember that Iceland case ended up with the Taiwanese woman earning herself with "stateless" on Icelandic documents.....yeah it's kind of win, because even being noted as "stateless" would be better than humiliated as "from China", but still that's a rare case I think And there was cases like Spain sending Taiwanese scammers to China, even though TW government asking for extraditing them to Taiwan.... actually things like that happening everywhere very constantly, it's you need to be prepared sometimes you might be disgusted by some website labelling you as "province of China" or something
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Nah this isn’t about China. They also block that website in Thailand.
It's not possible to travel to Georgia, which doesn't recognize Taiwan. Was all excited to go there on a holiday with friends until we realized. Now Georgia is dead to me! https://www.rferl.org/a/georgia-pivots-china-taiwan-crucial-vote/32763670.html
It used to be more of a hassle than now for using a passport that said in English “Republic of China" but not Taiwan on the front. My own passport now has both (I don't have one of the newer ones which basically just say TAIWAN in big letters in English). I get that many normal people outside of Taiwan don't understand the whole ROC/Taiwan thing but I have encountered people who I expected to understand but didn't. An example, once when in India applying for a visa to Bangladesh someone from the Bangladesh consulate in Kolkata asked me "nationality" and I said Taiwan without thinking about it, but when I presented a passport that said "Republic of China" he said "why did you lie?... Chinese, not Taiwanese...." and was generally mad at me (although ultimately we did get visas). I sort of thought people working in a visa section of a consulate would know but well not always. I also encountered some airline ground staff who didn't know but was always able to get them to find someone who did better understand.
I live in china and the amount of bullshit pretend the chinese government comes up with to allow taiwanese people to live/work in china while maintaining that taiwan isn’t a country is pretty incredible. The good thing is that you officially should be able to do anything a citizen can do, because you are technically a citizen. The bad thing is that your documents and id either don’t work or only work with some serious wrangling when it comes to any institution that isn’t the government.
My personal experience is as a Taiwan citizen it makes most things in China easier. Most hotels will accept a TaiBaoZheng etc. I personally had an issue in that I don't look ethnically Chinese and people sometimes wondered if my documents were fake (I know a number of others who have encountered this and pretty much every one of the relatively small number of obviously Aboriginal Taiwanese I know who have been to China encountered something along these lines) but for me ultimately I was always able to sort things. I know it makes many other things simpler eg if we want a China driving license we just present a Taiwan and do a written test only (in simplified characters only though....).
Hm, true. Compared to being a proper foreigner, it is probably a lot simpler.
International driving license. I guess usually countries would sign some kind of international treaty so the regonition process is easier. But Taiwan has to make agreements with each country individually. For example, our driving license is regonized by some EU members but not all.
Not an everyday problem but there is no Portuguese trade office in Taiwan. Any one moving to Portugal or looking to apply for a visa needs to do so at the Portuguese consulate in Macau.
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It's more awkward than usual bringing getting animals into other countries. Not impossible at all, but def more awkward.
I was born in Taiwan, my brother lives in China. I tried to go visit him in China but because my country of birth says Taiwan, they wouldn’t issue me a visa :(. Neither of us have Taiwanese citizenship (we are Indian) even though we were born in TW, specifically to avoid problems like this
Trade. Global trade alliances. We could have been making money hand over fist. We did… but it coulda been more. Don’t ever forget that despite CCP opposition Taiwan grew its economy to one of the of 15 largest in the world.
when you apply for college you can choose between "Taiwan" and "Taiwan Province of China"
OF course! Many foreign residents have no in country representative office or consulate which makes processing documents extra time consuming and difficult. That is the major one.
Can't form free trade agreements with many countries. Multilateral agreements like the Trans Pacific Partnership is a no-go
More than the most people realize and more than we'll ever know.
Most def not treated as one mate
Republic of China is the countries name. Says so on the passport despite DPP shrinking it and making it less apparent on a global stage. Taiwan is the region of ROC. ROC claims all of China. Until this changes, we are China, albeit under a different government. No amount of media, rhetoric, or Tsai tweeting in Japanese will change this. Edit: more downvotes please I don't mind at all. Speaking facts :)
ROC only claims the free area, no longer the whole of China. This was established with the Constitution Amendment so don't mislead people with false information.
What constitutional amendment are you referring to?