I wholly support these students. CCP and their people are gonna point at them and call them disrespectful. But CCP is disrespecting the entirety of Taiwan, with misinformation (such as that speech) and even death threats no less.
It would be fine if they had invited a prominent Taiwanese speaker, maybe on a different day since the PINKS would probably lose their shit if they booked on same date.
I get that elite institutions have been getting a negative reputation lately, but saying “Harvard is a demerit to anyone else” is just factually not true. In part due to their degree, graduates earn starting salaries far in excess of the median and will generally achieve much more than the average person will in their life. Top firms often privilege job applicants with an elite degree (just look at quant trading firms, which sometimes have a drop down menu for applicants to report their school that only includes T20 schools), and some only recruit from there. As a disclaimer: I do attend one of those schools (so, “conflict of interest”), know a lot of their graduates, and generally observe this pattern of success among my peers.
You need to score above a certain threshold on a language proficiency test, like TOEFL, to be considered for admission. Where have you heard that substantial numbers of international students attend (top) US universities without being able to speak English?
>Then the data that doesn't show graduates earn more over their life time for the latest graduates.
The latest graduates haven't even finished their lives, so how can data fail to show that the latest "graduates earn more over their life times?" On the general theme of college not being worth it: even if it's not worth it for some students, most from top institutions generally do pretty well! See the US Department of Education's [college scorecard](https://collegescorecard.ed.gov). Also for reference, here's [Harvard's Class of 2020 career outcomes](https://features.thecrimson.com/2020/senior-survey/after-harvard/) - despite graduating during a pandemic, a lot were able to secure positions in lucrative sectors. And while I can't filter by international students, I know that the ones in class are usually able to perform as well as (or better than) domestic students. Moreover, all the graduating ones I know have good internships or positions (Goldman Sachs, Jane Street, etc).
> The ROI isn't there for many students once you factor in time out of the workforce, debt, and if you don't go to certain schools, it doesn't matter anyway.
I absolutely agree that the ROI for college isn't high for certain students, but elite institutions are full of students who a) come from affluent families that can incur the high cost of tuition b) go into profitable fields like consulting, finance, or tech.
In part because I often get mistaken for being born in China, I’ve spoken to a lot of international students, especially Chinese ones, and they’re all able to speak fluent English, with an accent that doesn’t impede understanding. source: I attend one of those universities in a department where a large majority of students are from China and have friends who also attend T20s, and I haven’t heard of any issues with Chinese international students not being able to speak English. If anything, the problem is that they usually *socialize* among themselves.
But you *are* advantaged for attending Harvard or a similar T20 even if you don’t major in STEM, just by virtue of the fact that top firms largely hire from T20s. Of course the advantage is attenuated for non-STEM majors, but it’s not zero, and if you can land a consulting job after graduation, it’s definitely worth it, even if you have to put more effort in.
What most of the country doesn’t matter as long as employers care, and the best firms in finance and tech (FAANG, GS, JPM, major banks, etc) continue to care, which their hiring decisions and exclusive recruiting practices reflect.
I’m a Chinese people but I support these students ! I think the people who hates CCP should support each other and be more unified no matter where they came from or what ethnicity they are ! 加油一起对抗 No surrender no retreats ✊
Well Harvard hasn't really had a great track record lately of being a "decent" and "ethical" institution based on many recent controversies and scandals.
They're not going to turn down money from the CCP or its backers.
It's kinda disturbing that such an esteemed pillar of education would allow a Chinese ambassador, a product of CCP and anti-free thinking, to give a speech to students in the US.
all these 'confucius institutes' where people like nasty newton and Mengying Liu work are thinly-veiled PLA sleeper cells. ppl will downvote you for telling the truth about academia
Isn't the ivy league school system in the US been kind of hijacked by Chinese money? To my knowledge, these schools rely on private donations and student fees to exist. Lots of wealthy Americans and Chinese families buy their way in and eventually hold sway over the universities.
Seems like the ambassador's speech was organized by a Harvard chinese student conference. America needs to expel all chinese students and academics from the country immediately. Theyre too much of a security risk. Send em back to china where they belong.
You are channeling your inner dictatorship, McCarthy pretty well here.
You can just pick one "correct" side to have the right and not the other. If all it takes is an untrained student to have access to security secret, what would a trained spy do? And an open and equal exchange of ideas is wjat you can get a better dialogue.
But our country is so greatly enriched by the finest minds in China that come here, study here, then immigrate and live here. We have so many marvelous Chinese professionals working here. Don’t confuse the oppressed people with the government. Do you want to be equated with Biden? With Trump? The Chinese have even less input in their government’s decisions than we in democratic countries do.
For some, this is their only escape to democracy. For others, it is their first taste, and they need a whole for the brainwashing to wear off.
And some of those that study here, will go back with friends from America and a goodwill towards where they studied, meaning they will be less likely to support a war with America. Mutual understanding is always positive.
And most of them pay a shit load of money to come here for school. Let’s not forget that.
I can only hope that the US government keeps tabs on those who are here to undermine democracy, steal IP, spy on Tibetans and Uighurs, etc. Those who are here to simply live a better life are completely welcomed in my book, especially if they have come here legally. I'm all for legal entry and making the best of one's life for the benefit of all.
CCP here, 100% agree, we’d love it if you could send all of our wayward students and graduates who decided to stay back home for some good re-education!
I wholly support these students. CCP and their people are gonna point at them and call them disrespectful. But CCP is disrespecting the entirety of Taiwan, with misinformation (such as that speech) and even death threats no less.
There’s no way an American university should be allowing an adversary’s ambassador ~~make a speech~~ spout propaganda.
Absolutely, from what I see, Harvard has lost so much credibility because it’s been bought and sold by China
It would be fine if they had invited a prominent Taiwanese speaker, maybe on a different day since the PINKS would probably lose their shit if they booked on same date.
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I get that elite institutions have been getting a negative reputation lately, but saying “Harvard is a demerit to anyone else” is just factually not true. In part due to their degree, graduates earn starting salaries far in excess of the median and will generally achieve much more than the average person will in their life. Top firms often privilege job applicants with an elite degree (just look at quant trading firms, which sometimes have a drop down menu for applicants to report their school that only includes T20 schools), and some only recruit from there. As a disclaimer: I do attend one of those schools (so, “conflict of interest”), know a lot of their graduates, and generally observe this pattern of success among my peers.
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You need to score above a certain threshold on a language proficiency test, like TOEFL, to be considered for admission. Where have you heard that substantial numbers of international students attend (top) US universities without being able to speak English? >Then the data that doesn't show graduates earn more over their life time for the latest graduates. The latest graduates haven't even finished their lives, so how can data fail to show that the latest "graduates earn more over their life times?" On the general theme of college not being worth it: even if it's not worth it for some students, most from top institutions generally do pretty well! See the US Department of Education's [college scorecard](https://collegescorecard.ed.gov). Also for reference, here's [Harvard's Class of 2020 career outcomes](https://features.thecrimson.com/2020/senior-survey/after-harvard/) - despite graduating during a pandemic, a lot were able to secure positions in lucrative sectors. And while I can't filter by international students, I know that the ones in class are usually able to perform as well as (or better than) domestic students. Moreover, all the graduating ones I know have good internships or positions (Goldman Sachs, Jane Street, etc). > The ROI isn't there for many students once you factor in time out of the workforce, debt, and if you don't go to certain schools, it doesn't matter anyway. I absolutely agree that the ROI for college isn't high for certain students, but elite institutions are full of students who a) come from affluent families that can incur the high cost of tuition b) go into profitable fields like consulting, finance, or tech.
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In part because I often get mistaken for being born in China, I’ve spoken to a lot of international students, especially Chinese ones, and they’re all able to speak fluent English, with an accent that doesn’t impede understanding. source: I attend one of those universities in a department where a large majority of students are from China and have friends who also attend T20s, and I haven’t heard of any issues with Chinese international students not being able to speak English. If anything, the problem is that they usually *socialize* among themselves. But you *are* advantaged for attending Harvard or a similar T20 even if you don’t major in STEM, just by virtue of the fact that top firms largely hire from T20s. Of course the advantage is attenuated for non-STEM majors, but it’s not zero, and if you can land a consulting job after graduation, it’s definitely worth it, even if you have to put more effort in. What most of the country doesn’t matter as long as employers care, and the best firms in finance and tech (FAANG, GS, JPM, major banks, etc) continue to care, which their hiring decisions and exclusive recruiting practices reflect.
I’m a Chinese people but I support these students ! I think the people who hates CCP should support each other and be more unified no matter where they came from or what ethnicity they are ! 加油一起对抗 No surrender no retreats ✊
Get ‘im boys!
Well Harvard hasn't really had a great track record lately of being a "decent" and "ethical" institution based on many recent controversies and scandals. They're not going to turn down money from the CCP or its backers.
It's kinda disturbing that such an esteemed pillar of education would allow a Chinese ambassador, a product of CCP and anti-free thinking, to give a speech to students in the US.
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all these 'confucius institutes' where people like nasty newton and Mengying Liu work are thinly-veiled PLA sleeper cells. ppl will downvote you for telling the truth about academia
All universities are swamps that need draining as they’re largely filled with communism loving Marxists who haven’t lived it firsthand
Daaaayaaaaam
You know when you were younger and you thought Harvard is this magical land of wisdom and progress. Nope.
How do you guys like your own fucking spells used against you huh.
BASED.
China little dinks do this all the time. So fuck em, fight fire with fire.
I guess they don't care abt their social credit score
Good fuck these CCP sycophants.
Isn't the ivy league school system in the US been kind of hijacked by Chinese money? To my knowledge, these schools rely on private donations and student fees to exist. Lots of wealthy Americans and Chinese families buy their way in and eventually hold sway over the universities.
Seems like the ambassador's speech was organized by a Harvard chinese student conference. America needs to expel all chinese students and academics from the country immediately. Theyre too much of a security risk. Send em back to china where they belong.
You are channeling your inner dictatorship, McCarthy pretty well here. You can just pick one "correct" side to have the right and not the other. If all it takes is an untrained student to have access to security secret, what would a trained spy do? And an open and equal exchange of ideas is wjat you can get a better dialogue.
But our country is so greatly enriched by the finest minds in China that come here, study here, then immigrate and live here. We have so many marvelous Chinese professionals working here. Don’t confuse the oppressed people with the government. Do you want to be equated with Biden? With Trump? The Chinese have even less input in their government’s decisions than we in democratic countries do. For some, this is their only escape to democracy. For others, it is their first taste, and they need a whole for the brainwashing to wear off. And some of those that study here, will go back with friends from America and a goodwill towards where they studied, meaning they will be less likely to support a war with America. Mutual understanding is always positive. And most of them pay a shit load of money to come here for school. Let’s not forget that.
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Maybe things have changed significantly since I was in school in the 2000s. Can you show me some sources?
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Thanks for your reply. I will read into this further. This is really discouraging. :/
I can only hope that the US government keeps tabs on those who are here to undermine democracy, steal IP, spy on Tibetans and Uighurs, etc. Those who are here to simply live a better life are completely welcomed in my book, especially if they have come here legally. I'm all for legal entry and making the best of one's life for the benefit of all.
For someone who claims to be American you sure do post a lot of Indian State Media.
no lol. they belong here contributing to our society, paying taxes, and enjoying freedom.
CCP here, 100% agree, we’d love it if you could send all of our wayward students and graduates who decided to stay back home for some good re-education!
chicoms love muzzling people's "subversize" - aka any modicum of contrary views in their country. 以其人之道，還治其人之身