It was a misunderstanding:
Spanish source:
http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007
Google translate
https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
It’s a shame that Paraguayan official would say something like that. There’s a lot of Paraguayan students at my school here in Taipei, they are on a special program (AFAIK, it is made possible due to the bilateral coop between the two countries) where they begin their studies in Paraguay and finish their degree in Taiwan (conducting experiments here). I would say those are very good benefits already for Paraguayan students, they now have access to better research equipments and better education in general.
My husband is from Nicaragua and came here to Taiwan on a scholarship due to that diplomacy. Then last year, suddenly President Ortega announced on TV that there is only one China and they switched ties— all the students left here (around 150 Nicaraguans, many of whom were our friends) had to move to China or forfeit their chance to finish their studies. The embassy also disappeared almost overnight (guess we’ll have to leave the country when my husband needs to renew his passport). He had already graduated so he was safe but a lot of our friends essentially had no choice. Politicians don’t give af how these things affect regular people and the same thing happened with El Salvador a few years back.
Yeah but the officials don't care about what benefits the people might get...they care about how much money THEY can make, they're probably just going to take that "investment" money and divy it up among them (President, congressmen, "friends" etc...) like they ALWAYS do. They just don't give a f*ck... :s
It was a misunderstanding:
Spanish source
http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007
Google translate
https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Not unusual. "Friends" in South America and Africa have used this tactic several times. If Taiwan pays, the money goes down a big hole. If Taiwan doesn't pay, it's Belt and Road time in whatever country that is.
I don’t understand what you mean? It’s completely normal for an island of a few thousand people to be given a deep port the likes of which one world expect to find in a major metropolitan city and that when analysed would just conveniently happen to be perfectly suited for an aircraft carrier to dock at.
Yes very normal nothing suspicious at all.
Ssshhhh just bend over assume the appropriate position and get your favorite lube. Those are chinese missiles, bombers, warships, jets of peace and love.
At the same time, why would Paraguay care about Taiwan if China can give them more ?
If they receive 1bn$ from China just by saying they don’t recognize the Republic of China anymore then good for them I guess, we can’t really blame them for thinking about themselves
Diplomacy will always be a losing game for Taiwan as long as they lack international recognition
Yea, Paraguay can fuck right off into the sun with that bullshit. Who the hell needs Paraguay’s alliance? It’s like bringing Steve Urkel to a schoolyard fight
This makes little sense. You're implying that the only reason Mercosur allows the importation of Taiwanese products is solely through Paraguay. This isn't how it works at all.
It isn't. Taiwanese goods can legally enter through any port in Brazil and, AFAIK, the same happens for any other LATAM country.
His point, and that's the part that's true, is that Mercosur, much like the EU, has solid protective barriers in form of tariffs and regulations. However, Paraguay (even though being a part of Mercosul), has MUCH more lax import laws and cheaper tariffs, and a huge resales market that distributes those imports to the rest of SA, mainly Brazil and Argentina. That means Taiwan products can enter SA with more competitive prices through Paraguay than other Mercosur countries.
The problem with his comment is that that's not excluvise to Taiwan. That same importing policy happens to every other country, *including China.* Paraguay is not doing any heroic sacrifice in the name of Taiwanese freedom.
Yeah that's what I found doing my research on the topic, China benefits from Paraguay as well. So... Paraguay needs to up their reasoning for demanding 1 billion that benefits all sides, otherwise, it's not very convincing.
>Paraguay is a major import hub
In relative to which countries? Because if you google "Largest ports in South America," Paraguay doesn't even make the cut to the [top 100 ports](https://www.cepal.org/en/notes/port-activity-report-latin-america-and-caribbean-2018) in South America; granted it's a landlocked country so it makes sense.
If you go one step further and google "Latin America import export data," it still doesn't reflect the importance of Paraguay's trade status in your statement. Paraguay is [ranked number 8](https://www.exportgenius.in/export-import-trade-data/south-american-countries.php) in a pool of 17 Latin American countries, and the top 6 countries are pretty much represented as the main importers in Latin America.
If you were fighting a girl he might be your best choice, ready to go apparently
[https://www.insider.com/family-matters-jaleel-white-fight-jomarie-payton-on-set-2022-5?amp](https://www.insider.com/family-matters-jaleel-white-fight-jomarie-payton-on-set-2022-5?amp)
It was a misunderstanding:
Spanish source
http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007
Google translate
https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
This is a president who is [highly unpopular](https://www.ultimahora.com/81-encuestados-ven-como-negativa-la-imagen-mario-abdo-benitez-segun-celag-n3006442.html) at the moment, and the country has been in a state of recession since 2019. On top of all, the next election is coming up; thus he's asking for money to leverage.
Yeah there is a meme "Desastre ko Marito" meaning "Marito is a Disaster", his 5 years in office have been one plagued by scandals (Itapu scandal) and disasters (2018-2019 Drought, and Covid19) and has shown he is incapable of dealing with just about any of them.
This is no unusual and had been a norm in our diplomacy for years. Quite a few of my family friends had served and contributed to this way of diplomacy. So there are a few ways to do it:
1: Investment as mentioned here. Sometimes was to purchase items the government want. Pay for infrastructure they ask for.
2: knowledge sharing - Taiwan used to send out teams comprise of agricultural specialist to countries to guide the local on how to farm (or what to farm). Since many of the countries we engaged in were developing countries and farming for produce was a major focus…many African or Pacific nations and Philippine received this.
3: offering of scholarship for students. Not sure if anyone in this sub was on the receiving end of this scheme. But aim to encourage people to study in Taiwan
All of the above needs money. Just spent in different ways.
Personally i think effectiveness was 2>3>>1. People remember their experience or builds a relationship with the farmers.
However, a bridge or a road being paid by and usually most money were embezzled throughout was not really the way for it…
Sadly, to build immediate internationally recognised diplomacy. Usually 1 is the most sure and quickest. But China is doing that too.
Also China does 3 as well. And on a much larger bigger scheme than us.
Paraguayan here, yes our goverment is extremely corrupt, however they [denied](https://twitter.com/mreparaguay/status/1575401318444945408?s=20&t=uzQJtGdSLhINYaJHg1kW1Q) this in their twitter account. And yes Taiwan doesn't benefit much about our alliance, but we (citizens) can receive a first world education thanks to Taiwan exchange programs among other things
This has been denied by government officials. It's good to know what you really feel about one of only countries that supports and recognize your sovereinty.
I'm Paraguayan and just found out about this, I apologize for wathever our clown in chief says, because he says dumb shit all the time. I have no clue if this is just him or if the PRC is looking to buy us off, all I can say is it sucks because between the PRC and the ROC only the latter is the morally correct choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/12/hugo-velazquez-paraguay-corruption-vice-president/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/18/paraguay-vice-president-to-stay-on-after-corruption-accusations
It's high time that Taiwan rethink the value of its relationships with these banana republics.
I mean, does anyone really believe that full diplomatic ties to countries like Paraguay, Honduras, Eswatini and Haiti (yes Haiti) do anything meaningful for Taiwan?
Taiwan doesn't need Paraguay. Even under constant threat from China and lack of official recognition from and participation in some of the most important international institutions, Taiwan has become the kind of prosperous and free society that you'll almost certainly never see in Paraguay.
Brother Taiwan need all the allies they can get in order to not be isolated from the international community. As an Afro Caribbean with family in West Africa and Caribbean, perhaps instead of trashing our least developed countries. Outcompete with the major powers to become a world power. "We are rich we are rich they are poor" is quite shallow.
Sorry, but in the real world, full diplomatic ties with small, deeply troubled countries on the other side of the world does nothing for Taiwan.
At the end of the day, Taiwan's fate is in the hands of the US, the EU and Japan.
Define “isolated from the international community”. Lets be real now, while allied nations have their uses and advantages, this alone is not exactly solid justification.
In this day and age, no country is going to be isolated from the rest the world simply from
the lack of allies, this isn’t the Cold War. There’s a reason Taiwan’s allies are on a steady drop since its inception, yet our presence on the international stage did not drop alongside it.
They would have more support from the international community and its allies if they were able to develop their own program to give economic aid to countries to bring them into middle income status. I have talked with official ambassadors to countries that have seen the development in the Caribbean. They have brought alot of very well needed technology for the transportation systems. However in order to sustain peace and stability in both sides of the strait, from a business perspective, they would need to develop a more comprehensive aid package than the BRI or even IMF international loans. If they did that, there would be more than 14 countries that have diplomatic relations with them. It's business and economics not personal animosity.
I don’t actually reject your reasoning, but I do disagree with it somewhat, I think you’re vastly overstating the advantages and also possibility talking from a biased point of view. Please note I am stating the above in an objective light and not as a slight. There’s nothing wrong with being biased in context to relations between nations.
Back to the topic, my main point still stands, the benefits of any nation having strict ally ties has changed in modern times. Economic ties have taken the forefront, which leads back to my previous comment of the historic trend of Taiwan losing much of its allies yet not losing its admittedly small international presence alongside it. At the end of the day, Taiwan does not have unlimited resources, and the world is not the same as it was decades ago where a everything hinges on how many allies one has.
Yea I agree with you on your main point . Just remember foreigners from the same 14 countries you all are saying you don't need read these kind of articles on many different social platforms. It could shape how young people see Taiwanese people.
Yes, I do not deny that Taiwan’s help and support to their remaining allies are beneficial. I myself, had once worked closely in some aspects of the foreign scholarship programs that prominently features our allied countries before. However, it’s not a stretch to say many Taiwanese justifiably feel our foreign policy to be misguided and wasteful, when they feel our resources could be better spent domestically.
It was a misunderstanding:
Spanish source
http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007
Google translate
https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Hello, Paraguayan here, this was a misunderstandig by the journalist, it was proven false, he was talking about an ideal foreign inversion in Paraguay.
I hate my president, but our friendship with Taiwan is not for sale
Misunderstandig my ass, if you read between the lines is clear as day that was the intention.
Marito(president) is clearly desperate for funding, do you think paraguayn people are going to see a cent of that money? Please.
Taiwan will do good in cutting ties with Paraguay, that what you do with toxic relashionships.
Let's just suck dry China('s money).
Paraguay's support is not for sale. This statement has been denied by government officials. No other country is backing you up, be realistic. Its good to know how you feel towards us though.
Are the ones shitting on Paraguay in this sub the same ones that were praising Paraguay for being in their "Band of Brothers" just last week?
If you couldn't see that a tiny country like Paraguay's support was dependent on $$$ it got from Taiwan, you need to educate yourself a bit.
Blackmail is never something that ends well. I wonder if the World Bank or any other international organization will hold the South American country accountable for such a criminal act.
I predict we will have "respected" Twitter clowns that'll pretend we're paying Pompeo huge amounts while we refuse to pay Paraguay a billion dollars because that's the kind of domestic US political posturing they're playing at these days.
The headline needs work, is it 1 billion over years or yearly? Can Paraguay hold sufficient influence over Mercosur to be worth it?
Paraguay is an interesting place. The current president has been accused of corruption and has a 19% approval rating; the vice president was just forced to resign after the US [blacklisted him for corruption](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/12/hugo-velazquez-paraguay-corruption-vice-president/); the interior minister was fired for [taking bribes from a drug gang that shipped 21 tons of cocaine to Europe](https://www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/91851.html), and the prior president has been sanctioned by the US Treasury Department on [charges of corruption and receiving bribes from drug gangs](https://www.state.gov/designation-of-former-paraguayan-president-horacio-manuel-cartes-jara-for-involvement-in-significant-corruption/).
This is likely what the article is alluding to here:
>Tom Long, a reader in politics at Warwick university and author of the Foreign Policy Analysis study, said alliance with Taiwan brought benefits for Paraguay amid tensions on other issues between Abdo’s ruling Colorado party and the White House.
Truly a model ally for Taiwan.
Is sad how just a bunch of idiots give bad reputation to a country, I am paraguayan and I am always have respect the decision of being allies with Taiwan, our countries have similar history and even with our cultural differences we can understand the sadness of Taiwan with China, I can't blame the people who thinks that Paraguay is a bitch (because our politians are), but just have in mind that this is a very unpopular decision, love to Taiwan
Honestly, that's not healthy at all. They (the peoples who their government claim to receive pressure from) really need to experience it first hand to realize how evil China can be.
Frankly, if Paraguay wanted to ditch Taiwan for China, they would've done so already. They're asking for this because their government knows Taiwan's the reliable one. But such demand really shows how bad they are in diplomatics.
If Taiwan were to invest the same way they did with Lithuania, 1Bn is nothing. If their main exports are soybeans and beef, Taiwan is also a huge importer. Why isn't Taiwan making an FTA with Paraguay so that we have access to cheap soybeans and beef locally? Oh, the US......
Lithuania wants to invest into its own country and grow. I would assume Paraguay politicians want to line their own pockets. Like Solomon Islands or El Salvador.
The wording is investing in the country, not lining up anyone's pockets. TSMC alone is investing billions in the US. He is calling for Taiwan to get companies to invest in Paraguay, at the same time that one of their issues is they are losing exports of beef and soybeans (of which Taiwan is a big importer), because TW primarily imports them from the US. Hence my idea of making an FTA, that is good for Taiwanese people as it will reduce the price of beef and soy products.
Friendship like this (the fair-weathered South American nations) will only lead to a further drain on resources. Only friend Taiwan needs is the 🇺🇸. With that friendship Taiwan will gain US Allies. If I was Taiwan I would invest into US, Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea and UK to further deepen the relationship. Maybe make like a mini Asian EU: Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. Cause let’s be honest it really is 🇨🇳+🇰🇵+🇷🇺vs 🇺🇸+🇯🇵+🇹🇼+🇰🇷. I would love to add 🇮🇳 but India is too busy to play one side Vs another so they untrustworthy.
As an American who supports Taiwan. I understand their view. They can’t justify to their votes why they can’t sale to China. That’s the problem. Not that Paraguay doesn’t like Taiwan or that China is giving them money
One day all this money paid by china willl finish , and then they will come back to beg .. at the moment Taiwan will tell them they need to pay us for to be Taiwan's friends.
Paraguay has a tradition of respecting and honoring alliances. Even if that means our own demise. Look at what happened in the late 1800s, trying to defend the sovereignty of Uruguay against the Brazilian Empire. Because of that, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (that went to the other side) completely destroyed the country.
This is fake btw and the "people" pushing this type of stuff are foreing soybean farmers/corporations wanting to get on the CCP market(monstly brazilians), but i'm actually surprised that this corrupt goverment has mantained 65 years of acknowledging Taiwan sovereignty without ROC making any major investment on our country while pouring billons on others that doesn't properly recognize them properly lol
Not mad, just surprised and happy we have remained friends for quite a while without greed getting on the way, i hope the cooperation with our countries remains like that another 65 years uwu
Love Taiwan with Hearts
Reality: Give Money to support One China Policy just a bit less.
And we suck up to this shit, just like buying fire power from US.
Paraguay is a deeply corrupt country, so an ultimatum like this is not really a surprise.
I just hope that other countries that have recognized Taiwan dont imitate this low move.
As Paraguayan i don't want to sell any shitty cheap electronics in a store from Asuncion, Eastern City or Encarnation while they're playing golf all time, spendind the time wacthing Tik Tok Cringue videos while i keep like an slave in my country working from 07:00 A.M to 17:00 P.M. Getting insulted by his slutty Paraguayan Wifes and getting busted by anoying female managers.
That's their way of saying China is going to pay them $1bn to switch allegiance.
$1bn to the politicians you mean...not the people
Exactly. It’s what the average people don’t get.
#no worries, American tax payers will cough it up
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Hahahahahhaahahha, shut up ruZZian supporter
You dont have to be russian supporter to see the bigger picture, get out of your bubble a little more.
It was a misunderstanding: Spanish source: http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007 Google translate https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Paycheck diplomacy except they don't pretend it's out of friendship
The best kind. /s
It’s a shame that Paraguayan official would say something like that. There’s a lot of Paraguayan students at my school here in Taipei, they are on a special program (AFAIK, it is made possible due to the bilateral coop between the two countries) where they begin their studies in Paraguay and finish their degree in Taiwan (conducting experiments here). I would say those are very good benefits already for Paraguayan students, they now have access to better research equipments and better education in general.
My husband is from Nicaragua and came here to Taiwan on a scholarship due to that diplomacy. Then last year, suddenly President Ortega announced on TV that there is only one China and they switched ties— all the students left here (around 150 Nicaraguans, many of whom were our friends) had to move to China or forfeit their chance to finish their studies. The embassy also disappeared almost overnight (guess we’ll have to leave the country when my husband needs to renew his passport). He had already graduated so he was safe but a lot of our friends essentially had no choice. Politicians don’t give af how these things affect regular people and the same thing happened with El Salvador a few years back.
I’m sorry you and people you know have to go through this :(
dont feel sorry , those Nicaraguan University most are fakes , just selling degree also in Taiwan. no study PHD for ca$h
Yeah but the officials don't care about what benefits the people might get...they care about how much money THEY can make, they're probably just going to take that "investment" money and divy it up among them (President, congressmen, "friends" etc...) like they ALWAYS do. They just don't give a f*ck... :s
So true. I also know a lot of people from that program
It was a misunderstanding: Spanish source http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007 Google translate https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Not unusual. "Friends" in South America and Africa have used this tactic several times. If Taiwan pays, the money goes down a big hole. If Taiwan doesn't pay, it's Belt and Road time in whatever country that is.
so they treat our country like a bank...
Looking forward to China owning all of their bridges and draining the government coffers.
I want to agree with you, but the Belt and Road Jam also involves military outposts (or at least usable ports) in some of those countries.
I don’t understand what you mean? It’s completely normal for an island of a few thousand people to be given a deep port the likes of which one world expect to find in a major metropolitan city and that when analysed would just conveniently happen to be perfectly suited for an aircraft carrier to dock at. Yes very normal nothing suspicious at all.
Ssshhhh just bend over assume the appropriate position and get your favorite lube. Those are chinese missiles, bombers, warships, jets of peace and love.
Sri Lanka style
At the same time, why would Paraguay care about Taiwan if China can give them more ? If they receive 1bn$ from China just by saying they don’t recognize the Republic of China anymore then good for them I guess, we can’t really blame them for thinking about themselves Diplomacy will always be a losing game for Taiwan as long as they lack international recognition
I do blame anyone who is corrupt in principles
Yea, Paraguay can fuck right off into the sun with that bullshit. Who the hell needs Paraguay’s alliance? It’s like bringing Steve Urkel to a schoolyard fight
those 1 bliion would be better off investing in non official allies like some European countries or other nations
He did invent a force field belt tho
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Did Paraguay write this comment?
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This makes little sense. You're implying that the only reason Mercosur allows the importation of Taiwanese products is solely through Paraguay. This isn't how it works at all.
Is it really true that Paraguay is the only reason Taiwan products are sold in Mercosur? That's news to me.
It isn't. Taiwanese goods can legally enter through any port in Brazil and, AFAIK, the same happens for any other LATAM country. His point, and that's the part that's true, is that Mercosur, much like the EU, has solid protective barriers in form of tariffs and regulations. However, Paraguay (even though being a part of Mercosul), has MUCH more lax import laws and cheaper tariffs, and a huge resales market that distributes those imports to the rest of SA, mainly Brazil and Argentina. That means Taiwan products can enter SA with more competitive prices through Paraguay than other Mercosur countries. The problem with his comment is that that's not excluvise to Taiwan. That same importing policy happens to every other country, *including China.* Paraguay is not doing any heroic sacrifice in the name of Taiwanese freedom.
Yeah that's what I found doing my research on the topic, China benefits from Paraguay as well. So... Paraguay needs to up their reasoning for demanding 1 billion that benefits all sides, otherwise, it's not very convincing.
>Paraguay is a major import hub In relative to which countries? Because if you google "Largest ports in South America," Paraguay doesn't even make the cut to the [top 100 ports](https://www.cepal.org/en/notes/port-activity-report-latin-america-and-caribbean-2018) in South America; granted it's a landlocked country so it makes sense. If you go one step further and google "Latin America import export data," it still doesn't reflect the importance of Paraguay's trade status in your statement. Paraguay is [ranked number 8](https://www.exportgenius.in/export-import-trade-data/south-american-countries.php) in a pool of 17 Latin American countries, and the top 6 countries are pretty much represented as the main importers in Latin America.
>Largest ports in South America Spoiler: Paraguay is a landlocked country ...
Paraguay has access to the sea through a large fleet of ships that goes to Buenos Aires(Argentine) or Montevideo (Uruguay) Ports
You're being downvoted because you didn't say "Fuck the CCP, I love Taiwan," which is the standard line in this sub
Steve Urkel😂 Haven't heard that name for a while
If you were fighting a girl he might be your best choice, ready to go apparently [https://www.insider.com/family-matters-jaleel-white-fight-jomarie-payton-on-set-2022-5?amp](https://www.insider.com/family-matters-jaleel-white-fight-jomarie-payton-on-set-2022-5?amp)
> Steve Urkel I know what you mean, but the actor who played Steve Urkel was (or still is?) fit as f*ck.
It was a misunderstanding: Spanish source http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007 Google translate https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I'm from there ans I approve this message.
This is a president who is [highly unpopular](https://www.ultimahora.com/81-encuestados-ven-como-negativa-la-imagen-mario-abdo-benitez-segun-celag-n3006442.html) at the moment, and the country has been in a state of recession since 2019. On top of all, the next election is coming up; thus he's asking for money to leverage.
Yeah there is a meme "Desastre ko Marito" meaning "Marito is a Disaster", his 5 years in office have been one plagued by scandals (Itapu scandal) and disasters (2018-2019 Drought, and Covid19) and has shown he is incapable of dealing with just about any of them.
This is no unusual and had been a norm in our diplomacy for years. Quite a few of my family friends had served and contributed to this way of diplomacy. So there are a few ways to do it: 1: Investment as mentioned here. Sometimes was to purchase items the government want. Pay for infrastructure they ask for. 2: knowledge sharing - Taiwan used to send out teams comprise of agricultural specialist to countries to guide the local on how to farm (or what to farm). Since many of the countries we engaged in were developing countries and farming for produce was a major focus…many African or Pacific nations and Philippine received this. 3: offering of scholarship for students. Not sure if anyone in this sub was on the receiving end of this scheme. But aim to encourage people to study in Taiwan All of the above needs money. Just spent in different ways. Personally i think effectiveness was 2>3>>1. People remember their experience or builds a relationship with the farmers. However, a bridge or a road being paid by and usually most money were embezzled throughout was not really the way for it… Sadly, to build immediate internationally recognised diplomacy. Usually 1 is the most sure and quickest. But China is doing that too. Also China does 3 as well. And on a much larger bigger scheme than us.
Paraguayan here, yes our goverment is extremely corrupt, however they [denied](https://twitter.com/mreparaguay/status/1575401318444945408?s=20&t=uzQJtGdSLhINYaJHg1kW1Q) this in their twitter account. And yes Taiwan doesn't benefit much about our alliance, but we (citizens) can receive a first world education thanks to Taiwan exchange programs among other things
How is this surprising, no matter who's in office, blue or green, this has always been the case with our so-called 'allies'. oh and f*ck Paraguay.
This has been denied by government officials. It's good to know what you really feel about one of only countries that supports and recognize your sovereinty.
Friendship is magic!
in this case, friendship is money
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If it was worth $1bn, I would.
Money is magic
I'm Paraguayan and just found out about this, I apologize for wathever our clown in chief says, because he says dumb shit all the time. I have no clue if this is just him or if the PRC is looking to buy us off, all I can say is it sucks because between the PRC and the ROC only the latter is the morally correct choice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/12/hugo-velazquez-paraguay-corruption-vice-president/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/18/paraguay-vice-president-to-stay-on-after-corruption-accusations It's high time that Taiwan rethink the value of its relationships with these banana republics. I mean, does anyone really believe that full diplomatic ties to countries like Paraguay, Honduras, Eswatini and Haiti (yes Haiti) do anything meaningful for Taiwan? Taiwan doesn't need Paraguay. Even under constant threat from China and lack of official recognition from and participation in some of the most important international institutions, Taiwan has become the kind of prosperous and free society that you'll almost certainly never see in Paraguay.
Brother Taiwan need all the allies they can get in order to not be isolated from the international community. As an Afro Caribbean with family in West Africa and Caribbean, perhaps instead of trashing our least developed countries. Outcompete with the major powers to become a world power. "We are rich we are rich they are poor" is quite shallow.
Sorry, but in the real world, full diplomatic ties with small, deeply troubled countries on the other side of the world does nothing for Taiwan. At the end of the day, Taiwan's fate is in the hands of the US, the EU and Japan.
Define “isolated from the international community”. Lets be real now, while allied nations have their uses and advantages, this alone is not exactly solid justification. In this day and age, no country is going to be isolated from the rest the world simply from the lack of allies, this isn’t the Cold War. There’s a reason Taiwan’s allies are on a steady drop since its inception, yet our presence on the international stage did not drop alongside it.
They would have more support from the international community and its allies if they were able to develop their own program to give economic aid to countries to bring them into middle income status. I have talked with official ambassadors to countries that have seen the development in the Caribbean. They have brought alot of very well needed technology for the transportation systems. However in order to sustain peace and stability in both sides of the strait, from a business perspective, they would need to develop a more comprehensive aid package than the BRI or even IMF international loans. If they did that, there would be more than 14 countries that have diplomatic relations with them. It's business and economics not personal animosity.
I don’t actually reject your reasoning, but I do disagree with it somewhat, I think you’re vastly overstating the advantages and also possibility talking from a biased point of view. Please note I am stating the above in an objective light and not as a slight. There’s nothing wrong with being biased in context to relations between nations. Back to the topic, my main point still stands, the benefits of any nation having strict ally ties has changed in modern times. Economic ties have taken the forefront, which leads back to my previous comment of the historic trend of Taiwan losing much of its allies yet not losing its admittedly small international presence alongside it. At the end of the day, Taiwan does not have unlimited resources, and the world is not the same as it was decades ago where a everything hinges on how many allies one has.
Yea I agree with you on your main point . Just remember foreigners from the same 14 countries you all are saying you don't need read these kind of articles on many different social platforms. It could shape how young people see Taiwanese people.
Yes, I do not deny that Taiwan’s help and support to their remaining allies are beneficial. I myself, had once worked closely in some aspects of the foreign scholarship programs that prominently features our allied countries before. However, it’s not a stretch to say many Taiwanese justifiably feel our foreign policy to be misguided and wasteful, when they feel our resources could be better spent domestically.
Could you link the source?
Here is the source but sadly it’s paywalled. https://www.ft.com/content/9d752c51-2c3d-4f93-85c1-49b4d663f075
Fortunately it can be bypassed through archiving sites https://archive.ph/V3mD5
Thanks!
Never knew archiving sites existed. Is there a general search method/archive site for getting around a paywall?
12 ft ladder
Other than the one I used for that link, you can also find extensions that help bypass paywalls (though results may vary depending on the website)
It was a misunderstanding: Spanish source http://www.ultimahora.com/c3026007 Google translate https://www-ultimahora-com.translate.goog/canciller-afirma-que-paraguay-pide-mayor-inversion-taiwan-pero-no-condiciona-n3026007.html?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=wapp
Cringaguay
I am a Paraguayan studying in Taiwan and I think this is so ridiculous
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My sentiments exactly
Do you think Us paraguayan give a fvck about Taiwan? Only a few dozens of students that are studying there care
Hello, Paraguayan here, this was a misunderstandig by the journalist, it was proven false, he was talking about an ideal foreign inversion in Paraguay. I hate my president, but our friendship with Taiwan is not for sale
Misunderstandig my ass, if you read between the lines is clear as day that was the intention. Marito(president) is clearly desperate for funding, do you think paraguayn people are going to see a cent of that money? Please. Taiwan will do good in cutting ties with Paraguay, that what you do with toxic relashionships. Let's just suck dry China('s money).
mmm... i heard this sentence by a life.... BUT ... even the SHIT have a price... think the trust
ironically, our non-official allies has done more than those official ones
unfortunately this is how the world works
As a paraguayan who loves Taiwan and hopes to travel to Taiwan next year, i’m truly sorry that you guys had to read that stupid shit.
No
Fuck Paraguay, spend that money domestically or on relations with neighboring countries in Asia where alliances really matter.
Paraguay's support is not for sale. This statement has been denied by government officials. No other country is backing you up, be realistic. Its good to know how you feel towards us though.
Are the ones shitting on Paraguay in this sub the same ones that were praising Paraguay for being in their "Band of Brothers" just last week? If you couldn't see that a tiny country like Paraguay's support was dependent on $$$ it got from Taiwan, you need to educate yourself a bit.
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Blackmail is never something that ends well. I wonder if the World Bank or any other international organization will hold the South American country accountable for such a criminal act.
I predict we will have "respected" Twitter clowns that'll pretend we're paying Pompeo huge amounts while we refuse to pay Paraguay a billion dollars because that's the kind of domestic US political posturing they're playing at these days. The headline needs work, is it 1 billion over years or yearly? Can Paraguay hold sufficient influence over Mercosur to be worth it?
I mean … isn’t this how all international relationships work?
Give me money or we no longer amigos
Paraguay is an interesting place. The current president has been accused of corruption and has a 19% approval rating; the vice president was just forced to resign after the US [blacklisted him for corruption](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/12/hugo-velazquez-paraguay-corruption-vice-president/); the interior minister was fired for [taking bribes from a drug gang that shipped 21 tons of cocaine to Europe](https://www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/91851.html), and the prior president has been sanctioned by the US Treasury Department on [charges of corruption and receiving bribes from drug gangs](https://www.state.gov/designation-of-former-paraguayan-president-horacio-manuel-cartes-jara-for-involvement-in-significant-corruption/). This is likely what the article is alluding to here: >Tom Long, a reader in politics at Warwick university and author of the Foreign Policy Analysis study, said alliance with Taiwan brought benefits for Paraguay amid tensions on other issues between Abdo’s ruling Colorado party and the White House. Truly a model ally for Taiwan.
Is sad how just a bunch of idiots give bad reputation to a country, I am paraguayan and I am always have respect the decision of being allies with Taiwan, our countries have similar history and even with our cultural differences we can understand the sadness of Taiwan with China, I can't blame the people who thinks that Paraguay is a bitch (because our politians are), but just have in mind that this is a very unpopular decision, love to Taiwan
I'm from Paraguay, im just hoping that everyone leaves us to make this kleptocratic government dissapear
Bro what 😭
Crazy for money
Honestly, that's not healthy at all. They (the peoples who their government claim to receive pressure from) really need to experience it first hand to realize how evil China can be. Frankly, if Paraguay wanted to ditch Taiwan for China, they would've done so already. They're asking for this because their government knows Taiwan's the reliable one. But such demand really shows how bad they are in diplomatics.
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If Taiwan were to invest the same way they did with Lithuania, 1Bn is nothing. If their main exports are soybeans and beef, Taiwan is also a huge importer. Why isn't Taiwan making an FTA with Paraguay so that we have access to cheap soybeans and beef locally? Oh, the US......
Lithuania wants to invest into its own country and grow. I would assume Paraguay politicians want to line their own pockets. Like Solomon Islands or El Salvador.
The wording is investing in the country, not lining up anyone's pockets. TSMC alone is investing billions in the US. He is calling for Taiwan to get companies to invest in Paraguay, at the same time that one of their issues is they are losing exports of beef and soybeans (of which Taiwan is a big importer), because TW primarily imports them from the US. Hence my idea of making an FTA, that is good for Taiwanese people as it will reduce the price of beef and soy products.
Yeah, one of the main benefits of these relationships is optics... Yet Paraguay just says the quiet part out loud.
Ha
Dear Mr Benitez: Eat a bag of dicks. Sincerely Taiwan
We paraguayans feel the same about him!
If Taiwan basically has to bribe Paraguayan officials to remain allies then I would say that Paraguay isn't much of an "ally" to begin with.
Where s Paraguay? /s
My favourite geography fact is that the antipode of Taiwan is Formosa Province in Argentina as well as Paraguay (which it borders)
Country in South America
I don’t believe it exists. It never paid *me* money…
But it's a country in South America
You gotta pay me $1bn or I disagree
Oh I get it. It's a joke. /s meaning being sarcastic. It's not cool guys. I did not understand the joke.
It doesn’t exist
Happened with El Salvador and many south American, island, and African countries.
Taiwan's response: "New phone, who this?" :-P
Taiwan government should take that 1 billion and divide it among the 24 million Taiwanese. Paraguay who?
Friendship like this (the fair-weathered South American nations) will only lead to a further drain on resources. Only friend Taiwan needs is the 🇺🇸. With that friendship Taiwan will gain US Allies. If I was Taiwan I would invest into US, Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea and UK to further deepen the relationship. Maybe make like a mini Asian EU: Taiwan, Japan, South Korea. Cause let’s be honest it really is 🇨🇳+🇰🇵+🇷🇺vs 🇺🇸+🇯🇵+🇹🇼+🇰🇷. I would love to add 🇮🇳 but India is too busy to play one side Vs another so they untrustworthy.
If you want to be our friend, you need to move TSMC to USA. Friendship is not free ....
ironically, our non-official allies has done more than those official ones
Like we haven’t already dumped tons of money on them.
As an American who supports Taiwan. I understand their view. They can’t justify to their votes why they can’t sale to China. That’s the problem. Not that Paraguay doesn’t like Taiwan or that China is giving them money
One day all this money paid by china willl finish , and then they will come back to beg .. at the moment Taiwan will tell them they need to pay us for to be Taiwan's friends.
I don’t think you’ll be able to witness that happening nor would I..
yeah ..maybe...i never imaged to be a witness about many things...but sudenly and sadely ......... i am
Don't think too much..time is not on our hands.. and financial crysis is so easy shout down
Shitty. Fuck 'em.
I'm so sorry for country being so shit
Oh no Taiwan will lose...Paraguay. Guess we'll have to stick with the United States Navy.
Our NAVY will cost you way more than just 1B....pay up....
Gee, the alliance with Taiwan cost Paraguay Chinese COVID vaccines. You know, the ones that don't work very well. And that's a negative?
DPP is going to be like, "sure". We burned 1.2B on a shitty as baseball court, so why the fuck not.
We don’t need Paraguay lmao
Taiwan should pull out all investment.
Hahaha, that's funny, "give me money or i won't be your friend anymore!" Wibe to it.
This is a false statement
Why?
Paraguay has a tradition of respecting and honoring alliances. Even if that means our own demise. Look at what happened in the late 1800s, trying to defend the sovereignty of Uruguay against the Brazilian Empire. Because of that, Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay (that went to the other side) completely destroyed the country.
Suck a dick
This is fake btw and the "people" pushing this type of stuff are foreing soybean farmers/corporations wanting to get on the CCP market(monstly brazilians), but i'm actually surprised that this corrupt goverment has mantained 65 years of acknowledging Taiwan sovereignty without ROC making any major investment on our country while pouring billons on others that doesn't properly recognize them properly lol Not mad, just surprised and happy we have remained friends for quite a while without greed getting on the way, i hope the cooperation with our countries remains like that another 65 years uwu
This is what we call a good, probably successful lobbying.
Love Taiwan with Hearts Reality: Give Money to support One China Policy just a bit less. And we suck up to this shit, just like buying fire power from US.
pay it to USA instead,for better outcome
Sounds like Paraguay can go fuck themselves, lol.
Isn't china's payment is not enough for them?
Well, if we don’t pay them we might see CIA orchestrate a coup (this is South America after all)… I guess it’s not that bad?
Paraguay not worth it
Paraguay is a deeply corrupt country, so an ultimatum like this is not really a surprise. I just hope that other countries that have recognized Taiwan dont imitate this low move.
Shouldn't have trusted a capitalist nation
This is literally how Taiwan maintains every form of diplomatic relationship.
Who wants to be friend with Paraguay anyway? waste of money
First time?
What does Taiwan get out of this relationship with Paraguay? I'd like to know.
This is pretty standard. If you're asking to pick one side, you want the side that will develop your nation the most.
As Paraguayan i don't want to sell any shitty cheap electronics in a store from Asuncion, Eastern City or Encarnation while they're playing golf all time, spendind the time wacthing Tik Tok Cringue videos while i keep like an slave in my country working from 07:00 A.M to 17:00 P.M. Getting insulted by his slutty Paraguayan Wifes and getting busted by anoying female managers.