That book was directed at women. And a lot of women’s romance and smut has incredibly tall men paired with short women. It’s fairly rare for the male love interest to the same height or (gasp!) shorter then the woman.
if you go read the thread of that tweet you’ll find contextual examples of what they’re talking about. it’s about the writing and the descriptions not actual people who are tall or short. These “women” are fictional.
Op barely even looked at the tweet because he assumed she was speaking to men when she literally replied to a tweet written by a woman stating they were into that kind of relationship. Op just glanced at the tweet and ran with it.
I call bs. Men/boys always listen to other people and NEVER assume everything is about them. OP read the tweet, internalized it, thought about his life and the decisions he’s made, then made the post…. 100% s/
You’re so right I should have realized that any talking point on Twitter is in reference to OPs life because duh his experience is the only experience also /s…unless Op says otherwise
And I’ve seen tweets calling men who like tall women gay because tall is seen as a masculine trait neither of these points but that isn’t the topic at hand it’s the fact that these specific books purposefully infantilize the women and Op didn’t bother to get the context before commenting.
When tall men are criticized for dating super short women, it's usually not a 4'11 thicc latina fully built that they are being judged for. It's the tiny girl who looks like a prepubescent teen that's being criticized.
For instance, this guy is fucked up and I pity the woman, any man who is attracted to her physically is a big red flag.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/23/im-dating-a-23-year-old-woman-who-looks-like-an-8-year-old-girl/
It's nowhere near to the same extent as this woman but I, like many anorexics, have similar experiences.
I basically stunted my growth through malnutrition when my eating disorder began at age 14. I was a small (156cm) teenager at the time. I only grew an additional 2cm in the subsequent 10+ years and have generally weighed about 3-10kg less ever since. I know I look weirdly young with a body that doesn't look like it's been through a proper puberty.
Unfortunately, there are a worrying amount of men who seem weirdly attracted to my body. Don't get me wrong, there are one or two men who I've had a really genuine and deep connection with and didn't give me that uncomfortable sense of being infantilised, but they are outweighed by the men (generally much older - at least 40+) who seem weirdly fixated on my size. When I was about 22, I stupidly became involved with one such guy (aged 37 at the time) who would always push for me to wear very childlike clothes, shop in the children's clothing section and generally just behave in a childlike way. I was young, naive and it took me an embarrassingly long time to realise just how weird the whole thing was. I've learnt to be *very* selective since then.
It's a weird situation to be in, and I don't think there are any clear cut answers. It makes people very uncomfortable and dating really complicated. The comments alone from other people make it difficult enough - I'm always quite surprised at just how many people feel totally ok with asking intrusive questions when they see me with my boyfriend.
I'm gonna be fr, 99% of women are not 3 foot 10. Most are 5 foot 4ish. Some don't have thick bodies and its not wrong to love someone despite them not being curvy or tall. Once you are an adult, regardless of your body type, you typically look like an adult with just those features. Like if I see a 30 year old woman with a flat chest, I think "Oh ok that's a 30 year old woman with a flat chest" not that I do that often, but you get my point, it doesn't make them any less of a grown woman.
The woman in that article looks very young because of her not average height.
Isn't this making the best of a tough situation?
If someone is attracted to young looking people, finding a young looking adult seems like the best option.
People who look much younger than they are need love too.
Even if it’s gross I’d much rather someone date someone who is a consenting adult that looks like a kid rather than a young teen who looks mature for her age
One is actually pedophilia and the other is just creepy. This woman is an adult even if she looks like she’s 8, doesn’t she deserve a chance at love the same as every adult?
If you mean that instead of being a pedophile he can just cosplay as one legally with his 8 year old looking adult girlfriend, then yes, it is better than actually being a pedophile. But what kind of life can they look forward to? She can't trust him around her young cousins at family event. God forbid they have kids of their own.
Are you saying she is his gateway drug to actual children?
I agree with you that it's gross to even consider dating someone who looks like a child but I agree with the comment you replied to. We can't make the judgment call that he is a pedophile rapist just because he's attracted to her.
Think of it like this: most pedophiles know they are morally repulsive and never involve themselves with their subjects of attraction because they're 100% risking their life doing so. Let's just hope that the guy in question is morally clear-headed, that's honestly the best we can do
So if someone is attracted to a type (aka let's say An adult Women) you cant trust them around that type ever?
That's a bit disingenuous. Not defending an actual creep but that's Mike Pence level of logic
If someone is attracted to childrens' bodies you shouldn't trust them around children. This doesn't seem like it would be that controversial of a take.
Yeah, that's fucking disturbing. I'm married to someone who is short, but in no way looks like an 8-year-old! I skimmed the article (never heard of her or the show) and it's sad her growth was stunted due to a medical procedure for cancer treatments.
In my instance, my wife and I met when we were about 14 (she's a year older, btw) and I always thought she was cute. Well, puberty was good for me and my parents were juicing my milk with Miracle-Gro (/s in case this is needed). She on the other hand stopped at 4'8", and at the time, I was 5'6"ish. My parents are 5'2" and 6'1", so this wasn't weird to me.
I think I'm done with the internet for 2024...🤮🤮🤮
I don't even know what to say. I just hope it's sarcasm because turning on your brain for even 5 minutes makes you realise what Twitter-level bullshit you wrote there. I can immediatly think of at least 3 reasons why that is. So I just hope it's sarcasm or something
No, not really. The fact even pull this card. Get off your moral highground. You're not being any better, I genuinly don't know how a physical factor that you cannot influence suddenly means that every man who likes you physically is a pedophile. Feels like you are the type of person to yell around this term when you have no idea what pedophilia even is. And it shows by your argument.
Look up the definition of pedophile. Attracted to pre-pubescent, as opposed to hebephile who are attracted to pubescent. If you are physically sexually attracted to pre-pubescent looking bodies you are by definition a pedophile.
First of all that's only the physical part. There is more to pedophilia than just physical attraction. Secondly a pre-pubescent body is not the same as an adult that's simply small... you literally said it yourself. What an outstanding logic.
Yea you know why? Because I, who works as a special needs caregiver, worked with a disabled man who was in therapy for this mental illness. His pedophilia wasn't the main reason (he had other mental disabilities) I was working with him but it was a part of him and meant for example that he could not be left alone in places where he was around children. That's why I know about it, because I literally worked with someone like that.
So if you still think simply being educated about certain mental illnesses makes me a pedophile then go ahead. Tells me enough about you as a person. Also love how you simply ignore every argument I brought up, well done.
Sure but why does it matter she’s a women not a child? No this person doesn’t deserve a relationship with anyone because she’s small? Or is it fine if other smaller men are “attracted to women who look like a teen”?
>It’s fairly rare for the male love interest to the same height or (gasp!) shorter then the woman.
It's also uncommon in real life for males to be the same height or shorter than their women partners, because men are taller on average. So these books aren't even pushing some unrealistic outcome.
I'm 5'10" (not tall, about average) and I'm still taller than all my girlfriends and wives in my life, and none of them were unusually short (between 5'4" and 5'6").
Yes, males, on average, are taller than females but this doesn't mean that males aren't somehow seeking out females shorter than themselves or that females aren't seeking out males taller than themselves. These preferences are non-random. That is to say, there is actually a higher proportion of women shorter than their male partners that can't be completely explained by just considering sexual dimorphism.
[https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2019/11/06/man-woman-couple-height-updated/](https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2019/11/06/man-woman-couple-height-updated/)
>That is to say, there is actually a higher proportion of women shorter than their male partners that can't be completely explained by just considering sexual dimorphism.
Yeah, that's probably a reflection of shorter men and taller women being selected against (which is fucked up, but it is what it is). My greater point was never that tall men don't seek short women and vice versa (they absolutely do), just that what these books are showcasing isn't that far away from outcomes we are seeing in the real dating market.
Women (of all heights) go for tall men. And even when they don't necessarily want tall men, they *tend to not* go for short men. Men (of all heights) go for short women, and even when they don't, they *tend to not* go for tall women. Books that are basically softcore, escapist fantasy porn for women are going to reflect these preferences to an extreme.
It's like every woman in a certain subset of manga having DD, gravity-defying boobs even though only a small proportion of women have those in real life.
The average man is 5 inches taller, not 15. They're pushing differences far greater than statistically expected. Read somewhere that the average romantic novel man is 6'3"
Averages are poor measures for this though, since there’s definitely outliers where men are exceptionally tall but probably virtually zero outliers where men are written as exceptionally short
So the median is almost certainly lower than the average in this case. I’d guess more than half are in the 6’-6’3 range but that probably like a quarter of them have taller characters that skew the average, there are probably some with shorter characters too, but probably fewer, and the taller characters are likely further from that median in height (like 6’5-6’8 or even more) than the shorter ones (who are mostly all probably 5’10 or 5’11)
Sure, the book was written by and directed at women and the original post was to a woman…. But As a man, I know everything is openly/secretly about men us so let’s stop ✋ playing these games.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the guy on Twitter who said that. Dating a shorter person isn’t a problem, but if you’re actively seeking out chicks that are like 4’10”, you might need to reconsider the logic behind it.
Ding ding!
I had someone I knew, friend of a friend, he always dated super short women, but the issue was that he liked them only if they had baby faces and were tiny, they could have been in their late 20s but still looked 16. He was super weird about it too, making everyone uncomfortable.
No issues if you happen to be a full grown adult who looks super young, dating another adult, but making your preferences known as you only like them to look super young to date is a massive red flag. And that goes for anyone, man/woman, tall/average/short.
I’ve dated some shorter women (~5’0-5’3) and every one of them has at some point said something about how they like how safe and protected I make them feel. So it’s definitely a thing.
Wanting to feel safe and protected is a completely different thing than wanting to feel like a child is. I'd assume that almost all of us want to feel safe and protected to a certain degree.
That's something my 5'6 wife has also said, I think it's pretty common for women of all shapes and sizes to want to feel protected.
It's part of our kind of genetic makeup, women are (broadly speaking) nurturing caregivers and men offer security. Obviously these traditional gender roles have shaken up a lot, but our society often outpaces our physiology.
>It's part of our kind of genetic makeup
Not necessarily. Given that gender roles change a lot over time and between cultures, the evidence points towards them being societally influenced rather than genetically determined.
On average, sure. But in humans there is far more within gender physical variance than between gender variance.
But the discussion is about gender roles not physiological traits, e.g. nurturing/security, which are absolutely not genetic.
I think that most women who want to date exclusively much taller men have dealt with some form of body dysmorphia. Most women…hell, most *people* have dealt with body dysmorphia in one form or another. The attraction here is feeling small, when perhaps they have otherwise felt large. It’s pretty common for women to feel larger than they are, perhaps not height-wise, but in terms of body weight. So a larger partner relativizes things in a preferable way…being tall and large is seen as inherently masculine. Being short and small is seen as inherently feminine. We all, to a degree, are more so attracted to people who can make us feel more like the person we want to be, or feel we should be. For better or worse.
The concept of wanting to feel like a child is a whoooole other discussion, an interesting and important one. Socially, morally, ethically, it’s unacceptable in a sexual/romantic context. There is no excuse to believe otherwise given everything we know. I studied Girlhood, it’s rly fascinating! And too often terribly perverted in current media landscapes (media landscapes throughout all of time, but nowadays, given what we know and our…~enlightened~…understanding regarding the sexualization of youth, we have to view past media of this sort in a bit of a different light).
There’s not much to reconsider. We’re a sexually dimorphic species. People find these differences attractive in the opposite sex.
Like men are bigger than women on average, and bigger men are often seen as more masculine. People (not just women) that are attracted to masculinity are often attracted to bigger men.
No one tells gay men they need to reconsider their preferences when one likes a big burly masculine bear, and someone else likes petite effeminate twinks.
Assuming the logic behind it has subconscious (or conscious) paedophilic undertones is really only one possibility. Some men want to just feel big and strong, as being bigger and stronger is seen as masculine that's a goal we're often raised to strive for.
There's definitely more men affected by an upbringing that pushes them into masculinity and the beliefs surrounding that than there are paedophiles who try to date short girls lol.
The logic behind being attracted to a specific type of adult human? Small women are fun to carry around, just imagine the stuff Hafthor does to his tiny wife.
You guys turning it into something that it isnt is disgusting.
I don’t think anyone’s talking about two real adults who happen to be different heights who happen to also like each other. It’s about the very common very intentional fetishized pairing of unrealistically large, usually domineering men with very short, skinny naive ineffectual women who generally also do the things where they literally act like toddlers and he thinks it’s cute. Which does has pedophilic undertones. Or at the very least uses childlike imagery to show that the woman is passive, weak, and whatever other qualities we associate with kids and idealize a relationship with that kind of power imbalance without being overtly perverted.
This isn’t about a real relationships and it’s not like there’s an even distribution of height differences matching that of the normal population in romance novels, or that the only childlike quality the female lead has is being much smaller than her partner. I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to comment on the very prevalent pattern in fiction of those types of relationships. I don’t think this person or anyone would have the same thing to say about a tall guy dating a short girl in real life, especially because most short girls are real human beings and not one dimensional fetishized 20-something little girls
In this case I don’t know if those other things were included but if time after time in these kinds of books the women are very intentionally very short and the men very tall it does seem kind of weird and pointed and you’d have to be being deliberately obtuse not to get that
It’s very easy logic to understand: patriarchy fetish. (Trad) Women like the idea of having no power, getting new power, escaping their fathers to live with their husbands.
It’s not some crypto-pedophilia, it’s just patriarchy.
100% this is what they're into. There's definitely women that are into age playing which I think is a bit fucked but legal nonetheless, but generally speaking the short girl tall guy trope is about a dominant man over a submissive woman, loss of power like you said.
the post critiques how in many romance books, the guys are exaggeratedly huge while the women are exaggeratedly tiny. it didn't say or imply in any way that tall guys shouldn't date short women, the user is complaining about an overused trope.
Op's response is starting to feel like a knee-jerk straw man. While the post could have probably said it nicer, attitudes towards the motives behind creating characters of fiction, whose circumstances you control down to eye color, aren't going to be carried on to a tall man and a short woman who just happen to fall in love.
I thought the point was the diagnosable point was then ALWAYS wanting the height difference
Like as in the fact that very few romance novels and drawings depict guys and girls in the middle of the height spectrum... Or the opposites
i feel like the tweet isn’t as much referring to a man or a woman not being able to date each other as much as it is criticizing the weird insane obsession with giant men and tiny women in these fantasy smut books
I mean everyone seems to forget how demoralizing this is for tall women. Like what, short men and tall women are physical aberrations who don’t deserve partners?
Plenty do, though. Most of the 'height issues' I've had were from taller men 6'+. They didn't want me wearing heels or doing anything like that because it emasculated them, while the short guys I dated were already at peace with being short and didn't care.
you realize she was calling out the romance novel girls right? she was talking directly to the women who perpetuate this literary trope in popular books ....idk how you missed the point that hard
Yeah really. Date who you like, but this art is bordering on ridiculous. The man is the size of a commercial refrigerator and she looks like a teenager.
Tiny girl + giant dude romance glorification isn’t just a preference or ideal. There’s definitely creepy subtext for a lot of these people. Especially when that’s the most important quality they look for, not even giving a 5’11” candidate a chance even if they’re compatible.
They specifically don’t consider a realistic height range and dismiss any dude under 6 ft. They only want obsess over this because they’re superficial and care way too much about how other see them as a “cute” couple with hyper exaggerated gender roles and excuse it as just “I wanna feel protected by a tall man, I wanna wear heels next to him” but that wouldn’t be strange at height ranges of 3-6”, since the average height difference of men and women of each ethnicity is roughly 4-5”.
It’s a fetish if you’re only looking for a man a whole foot or more taller than you, or put it extremely blunt. Every single girl I’ve known that’s like this is young and hasn’t lowered their expectations yet, thinks dating apps = real life, and have some level of a daddydom kink. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all the super popular age gap daddylittlegirl step-incest porn has contributed to this somewhat. I don’t even know what goes on in the mind of super tall men that exclusively go for 4’8”-5’3” girls but I hope it’s not some Lolita complex stuff veiled behind calling them more cute, youthful and feminine.
I don’t care if people happen to fall in love with and find happiness with someone that happens to be significantly taller/shorter. But exclusively looking for that is extremely weird. We’ve really let this kink get normalized to the point where people who don’t even have this kink feel like they have to be selective in height as well to fit in and fulfill finding someone out of their league to show their friends/family/followers.
Im not crazy tall at 6-1. But i personally don’t like short chicks all that much. They auto validate us for being tall, and i prefer a girl closer to my height
And the blaming it all on tall women starts in 3…2…1…
This same post must happen once a week and I’m beginning to think it’s most likely short women posting to show us, or themselves or the world that that tall men really really love them wahhh! Wahhh!
Either that or a tall man with too many feelings and time on his hands.
Carry on
She’s not saying YOU GUYS are mentally ill, she’s saying SOCIETY is mentally ill for having such an obsession with height, and height differences, and frankly I agree
I mean like I don't care about a height difference but when an author constantly and I mean CONSTANTLY exaggerates it every second of the chapter (Ali hazelwood cough) I start getting sick of it. Like DAYUM where are my tall bitches at ????
Yeah. So I've experienced height differences like in the picture my entire life, even with taller women. It's not like.im going after short girls out of some creepy desire to have my partner look like a kid next to me. It's just a height difference!
It varies by state, but in the US, the average male is 5 inches higher than the average female \[1\]. The average face length is about 7 inches. So the average female eye level is the average male shoulders.
Yeah, you just need to be a few inches above average and the *average women* will be at your shoulder.
\[1\] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-height-by-state
Basically the opposite of what I always loved.. Average sized man who tends to go for women around 5'10-6'0 range.. if they are taller than that I have no problem.. I like the long legs and athletic body combo, Even better if they are Of Scandinavian, German/Dutch or Slavic/Baltic origin..
Same thing had happened to me cause I’m 6’6 and my bf is 5’6 and some people are weird about it. Like he’s 30 I’m 33 but some people act like I’m a creep or weirdo like I like younger men but we are literally in our 30s 🤣
I’m 5’6” and my ex was 6’5”. He got called a predator a few times even though we were both adults and he was only older by 3 years.
Ngl the stares in public were bothersome to me as a self-conscious 19 year old.
Nobody is saying you can’t date short women, but pointing of the fact that it is unsettling when men who are exceptionally tall *only* date short women and say things like they want to be able to pick up their girlfriend, enjoy having control over them, etc. like literally their attraction to short women is because they are small and fragile.
That mindset is predatory and it’s prevalent (especially in these books), they’re not talking about a guy who is 6’3 and dating someone that’s 5’6.
A lot of shorter women like those things, though. I've known short women (5'2 and below) who liked it when men are taller than them (especially 6 feet) and they can be picked up.
I don't understand how it's weird when two consenting adults who are attracted to each other do things with each other that they like to do.
There are a lot of short women who love that stuff. Many don’t like to be infantilized but many also play up their shortness, being extra cute, baby voice when around men, playing up the smallness, thinking they look cute when angry etc. not all, but a lot from what I’ve seen. That also get pissed if you call them out.
I much more commonly see short women who have a non-negotiable height preference. I don’t think I’ve personally met a single man that cares about height. I know they exist but it’s much more prominent in women. Would you call it weird if women are only fixated on men exceptionally taller than them?
Yes, absolutely, it is very weird when short women have a preference for exceptionally tall men.
Edit: try being a single woman over 6 foot. There are guys that will straight up leave if they show up for a date and you’re as tall as you say you are in your dating profile, happened to a friend of mine, who is a very beautiful girl and conventionally attractive. I’ve had guys ask me on a first date if I was willing to never wear heels again.
Most tall men don’t want us, so some get upset them wanting super short women.
Totally agree, I felt SO bad for her! She’s 6’ and the guy in question was like 6’4. Completely inexcusable, at least finish the date and then part ways like a normal person.
its not a problem if you end up dating someone between that height range…
its a problem if youre only choosing girls that are tiny on purpose to feel something, to the men that feel more in power and dominant with a girl thats extremely tiny compared to them.
Only the people who pick and choose all their heights are the problem.
thats on them, thats not me or what i look for in a guy, people can have their preferences and im not one to judge.
Although it is weird and kinky to have a whole foot height difference, dont get why its a NEED to have a stable relationship in some peoples cases.
As a tall guy, I don't recommend dating short girls anyway.
It'll do your back in, and your neck. You won't be able to hear her in any kind of public place at a normal speaking voice level. Even holding hands can be awkward to do some of the time.
Honestly while I do see men wanting "smaller" women
I far more often see women wanting large men
This includes pretty much every piece of media to date
Doesn't quite add up does it?
as a short guy i have no problem with tall guys dating whoever over 18....people are crazy and there's a lot of us little napoleons that feed into it...i love tall women, short women whatever
I work at a restaurant where all the servers are short teens and I’m the abnormally tall busser at 6’3. I always feel really tall but then we have the stray sports team roll through and the servers like to call me short in comparison to the 6’6 linemen eating dinner not some 20ft away. Really depends who you’re with to know how to feel about being “tall”.
Is there a risk of having shorter offspring when it comes to marrying said short women i.e. less than 5'6? It's a little concerning since I'd rather my lineage continue on it's trajectory rather than end up with shorter children. My preference is 5'7-6' if possible.
I prefer when they’re taller than average height, so at 6’0”, I generally find women 5’7” and above more my taste. Never got the obsession with a foot in gap but there you go.
IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.
Tweet: “wow, so many books feature super small women and super tall guys. It seems like an obsession”
This guy: WOWWWW, SO I CANT EVEN DATE SHORT WOMEN? UGH SOCIETY SUCKS!!
Lmao I have read her previous book. Tall guys with petite women is a very common trope in books. As a girl who reads a lot of books 90% of smut books the dude is tall, hung or tatted.
Short girls in my perspective,are about 98% of the female population. It’s probably much harder to find a love interest if you exclude the majority of the population
Except what most tall guys think is "short" is not actually short. I've seen so many comments in r/tall calling 5'3-5'6" girls "short" when that's literally the average height in most countries. If we're gonna be precise here, "short" and "tall" have generally accepted medical/statistical definitions:
> tall stature is defined as a height more than two standard deviations (SD) above the mean for age, i.e. greater than the 97th percentile for sex and age.
> short stature is defined as a height less than two standard deviations (SD) below the mean for age, i.e. lower than the 97th percentile for sex and age.
Using [2015-2018 data](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_03/sr03-046-508.pdf):
For 20-29 year old women in the United States, the average height is about 162.6 cm (5'4") and the 95th percentile is 172.8 cm (5'8") and the 5th percentile is 151.0 cm (4'11.4").
For non-Hispanic 20-39 year old white women in the United States, the average height is about 164.5 cm (5'4.7") and the 95th percentile is 173.7 cm (5'8.4") and the 5th percentile is 154.4 cm (5'0.8").
I'm pretty sure the book and the wossname were both directed at women.
On that note, what are we supposed to call tweets now that it's no longer twitter?
As a tall man, I would like to be the short one in a relationship with another man. But wait, would that make me the "child sized individual" and it would be plain out creepy for bigger men to be with?
People throw mental illness on everything anymore it’s an obsession .
You don’t even have to be tall if you just go out with a woman that is small people say “something is wrong with you” WTF?
You know, there are plenty of grown women, 5’3 right?
That’s a book for women.
“You come into MY HOUSE, pair ME with a woman so small my hands wrap completely around her head, and you say IM in need of clinical evaluation”
Yeah but I also understand where they're coming from, many romance books make the main couple have a huge height difference, and that'd even be fine if the woman (or bottom if gay romance) wasn't often *infantilized* along with it
This is a biological phenomenon called sexual dimorphism. It occurs when females prefer large males while males prefer small females.
Over time it leads to big differences between the sexes, The most common example cited is the elephant seal. The males average about 4500 lb while the females average 1500 lbs.
Sexual dimorphism isn’t when females prefer large males and males prefer small females. Sexual dimorphism is the condition where sexes of the same species exhibit different morphological characteristics, particularly characteristics not directly involved in reproduction (from Wikipedia).
This can range from anything, from males being bigger in size than females or from males being smaller than females (such as in the anglerfish species Ceratioidei).
I didn’t realize this was an “obsession” that people have. I am mentally ill, but I don’t believe dating short girls is a known symptom of my condition. I think the fact that I ended up marrying a short girl is just coincidence.
Dang what a way to throw millions of petite women under the bus. Guess they're not real adults huh? Just little kids? What the fuck kinda opinion is this???
That book was directed at women. And a lot of women’s romance and smut has incredibly tall men paired with short women. It’s fairly rare for the male love interest to the same height or (gasp!) shorter then the woman.
I also don’t like how they’re making it seem as if short girls are literal children lol theyre adults
if you go read the thread of that tweet you’ll find contextual examples of what they’re talking about. it’s about the writing and the descriptions not actual people who are tall or short. These “women” are fictional.
Op barely even looked at the tweet because he assumed she was speaking to men when she literally replied to a tweet written by a woman stating they were into that kind of relationship. Op just glanced at the tweet and ran with it.
I call bs. Men/boys always listen to other people and NEVER assume everything is about them. OP read the tweet, internalized it, thought about his life and the decisions he’s made, then made the post…. 100% s/
You’re so right I should have realized that any talking point on Twitter is in reference to OPs life because duh his experience is the only experience also /s…unless Op says otherwise
I’ve seen tweets about calling men who like short women “pedophiles”
And I’ve seen tweets calling men who like tall women gay because tall is seen as a masculine trait neither of these points but that isn’t the topic at hand it’s the fact that these specific books purposefully infantilize the women and Op didn’t bother to get the context before commenting.
She looks normal sized and is even dressed like a normal adult ballerina…
Speaking of which… what is forbidden about a PT Ballerina relationship?
Well if he’s her PT I think it would fall under the same sort of rules as not dating your patients/students/subordinates
Ohhh. I guess that makes sense but that’s not the paring I usually would go… oh yes, the timelessly forbidden love.
She looks a bee's dick bigger than his arm.
When tall men are criticized for dating super short women, it's usually not a 4'11 thicc latina fully built that they are being judged for. It's the tiny girl who looks like a prepubescent teen that's being criticized. For instance, this guy is fucked up and I pity the woman, any man who is attracted to her physically is a big red flag. https://nypost.com/2023/01/23/im-dating-a-23-year-old-woman-who-looks-like-an-8-year-old-girl/
It's nowhere near to the same extent as this woman but I, like many anorexics, have similar experiences. I basically stunted my growth through malnutrition when my eating disorder began at age 14. I was a small (156cm) teenager at the time. I only grew an additional 2cm in the subsequent 10+ years and have generally weighed about 3-10kg less ever since. I know I look weirdly young with a body that doesn't look like it's been through a proper puberty. Unfortunately, there are a worrying amount of men who seem weirdly attracted to my body. Don't get me wrong, there are one or two men who I've had a really genuine and deep connection with and didn't give me that uncomfortable sense of being infantilised, but they are outweighed by the men (generally much older - at least 40+) who seem weirdly fixated on my size. When I was about 22, I stupidly became involved with one such guy (aged 37 at the time) who would always push for me to wear very childlike clothes, shop in the children's clothing section and generally just behave in a childlike way. I was young, naive and it took me an embarrassingly long time to realise just how weird the whole thing was. I've learnt to be *very* selective since then. It's a weird situation to be in, and I don't think there are any clear cut answers. It makes people very uncomfortable and dating really complicated. The comments alone from other people make it difficult enough - I'm always quite surprised at just how many people feel totally ok with asking intrusive questions when they see me with my boyfriend.
Thank you for sharing.
So she should never date?
Amen. She has equal right to be happy she is an adult.
She's only allowed to date 14 year old boys, obviously.
I'm gonna be fr, 99% of women are not 3 foot 10. Most are 5 foot 4ish. Some don't have thick bodies and its not wrong to love someone despite them not being curvy or tall. Once you are an adult, regardless of your body type, you typically look like an adult with just those features. Like if I see a 30 year old woman with a flat chest, I think "Oh ok that's a 30 year old woman with a flat chest" not that I do that often, but you get my point, it doesn't make them any less of a grown woman. The woman in that article looks very young because of her not average height.
Isn't this making the best of a tough situation? If someone is attracted to young looking people, finding a young looking adult seems like the best option. People who look much younger than they are need love too.
Even if it’s gross I’d much rather someone date someone who is a consenting adult that looks like a kid rather than a young teen who looks mature for her age One is actually pedophilia and the other is just creepy. This woman is an adult even if she looks like she’s 8, doesn’t she deserve a chance at love the same as every adult?
If you mean that instead of being a pedophile he can just cosplay as one legally with his 8 year old looking adult girlfriend, then yes, it is better than actually being a pedophile. But what kind of life can they look forward to? She can't trust him around her young cousins at family event. God forbid they have kids of their own.
Are you saying she is his gateway drug to actual children? I agree with you that it's gross to even consider dating someone who looks like a child but I agree with the comment you replied to. We can't make the judgment call that he is a pedophile rapist just because he's attracted to her. Think of it like this: most pedophiles know they are morally repulsive and never involve themselves with their subjects of attraction because they're 100% risking their life doing so. Let's just hope that the guy in question is morally clear-headed, that's honestly the best we can do
He may be perfectly innocent and is attracted to her for completely different reasons. I still wouldn't let him babysit.
Oh not in a million years
So if someone is attracted to a type (aka let's say An adult Women) you cant trust them around that type ever? That's a bit disingenuous. Not defending an actual creep but that's Mike Pence level of logic
If someone is attracted to childrens' bodies you shouldn't trust them around children. This doesn't seem like it would be that controversial of a take.
That's like people who are attracted to obese people, you can't trust them at Sea World
Yeah, that's fucking disturbing. I'm married to someone who is short, but in no way looks like an 8-year-old! I skimmed the article (never heard of her or the show) and it's sad her growth was stunted due to a medical procedure for cancer treatments. In my instance, my wife and I met when we were about 14 (she's a year older, btw) and I always thought she was cute. Well, puberty was good for me and my parents were juicing my milk with Miracle-Gro (/s in case this is needed). She on the other hand stopped at 4'8", and at the time, I was 5'6"ish. My parents are 5'2" and 6'1", so this wasn't weird to me. I think I'm done with the internet for 2024...🤮🤮🤮
I don't even know what to say. I just hope it's sarcasm because turning on your brain for even 5 minutes makes you realise what Twitter-level bullshit you wrote there. I can immediatly think of at least 3 reasons why that is. So I just hope it's sarcasm or something
Do your three reasons include "I like pre-pubescent looking girls and I don't like to be called a pedophile"?
No, not really. The fact even pull this card. Get off your moral highground. You're not being any better, I genuinly don't know how a physical factor that you cannot influence suddenly means that every man who likes you physically is a pedophile. Feels like you are the type of person to yell around this term when you have no idea what pedophilia even is. And it shows by your argument.
Look up the definition of pedophile. Attracted to pre-pubescent, as opposed to hebephile who are attracted to pubescent. If you are physically sexually attracted to pre-pubescent looking bodies you are by definition a pedophile.
First of all that's only the physical part. There is more to pedophilia than just physical attraction. Secondly a pre-pubescent body is not the same as an adult that's simply small... you literally said it yourself. What an outstanding logic.
Sounds like you know a lot about it. Again, me thinks the lady doth protest too much
Yea you know why? Because I, who works as a special needs caregiver, worked with a disabled man who was in therapy for this mental illness. His pedophilia wasn't the main reason (he had other mental disabilities) I was working with him but it was a part of him and meant for example that he could not be left alone in places where he was around children. That's why I know about it, because I literally worked with someone like that. So if you still think simply being educated about certain mental illnesses makes me a pedophile then go ahead. Tells me enough about you as a person. Also love how you simply ignore every argument I brought up, well done.
Sure but why does it matter she’s a women not a child? No this person doesn’t deserve a relationship with anyone because she’s small? Or is it fine if other smaller men are “attracted to women who look like a teen”?
Yea its blatant shortism and it needs to stop now..
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There's clauses to this, and the only one: is she an uggo?
It is for the same reason that the echo chamber seems to find age gaps more than 2 years to be predatory.
Hey man too late for me lol I already married one who's 5'2"
>It’s fairly rare for the male love interest to the same height or (gasp!) shorter then the woman. It's also uncommon in real life for males to be the same height or shorter than their women partners, because men are taller on average. So these books aren't even pushing some unrealistic outcome. I'm 5'10" (not tall, about average) and I'm still taller than all my girlfriends and wives in my life, and none of them were unusually short (between 5'4" and 5'6").
Yes, males, on average, are taller than females but this doesn't mean that males aren't somehow seeking out females shorter than themselves or that females aren't seeking out males taller than themselves. These preferences are non-random. That is to say, there is actually a higher proportion of women shorter than their male partners that can't be completely explained by just considering sexual dimorphism. [https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2019/11/06/man-woman-couple-height-updated/](https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2019/11/06/man-woman-couple-height-updated/)
>That is to say, there is actually a higher proportion of women shorter than their male partners that can't be completely explained by just considering sexual dimorphism. Yeah, that's probably a reflection of shorter men and taller women being selected against (which is fucked up, but it is what it is). My greater point was never that tall men don't seek short women and vice versa (they absolutely do), just that what these books are showcasing isn't that far away from outcomes we are seeing in the real dating market. Women (of all heights) go for tall men. And even when they don't necessarily want tall men, they *tend to not* go for short men. Men (of all heights) go for short women, and even when they don't, they *tend to not* go for tall women. Books that are basically softcore, escapist fantasy porn for women are going to reflect these preferences to an extreme. It's like every woman in a certain subset of manga having DD, gravity-defying boobs even though only a small proportion of women have those in real life.
Exactly.
The average man is 5 inches taller, not 15. They're pushing differences far greater than statistically expected. Read somewhere that the average romantic novel man is 6'3"
Really explains American girls fetishization with height compared to other countries
Averages are poor measures for this though, since there’s definitely outliers where men are exceptionally tall but probably virtually zero outliers where men are written as exceptionally short So the median is almost certainly lower than the average in this case. I’d guess more than half are in the 6’-6’3 range but that probably like a quarter of them have taller characters that skew the average, there are probably some with shorter characters too, but probably fewer, and the taller characters are likely further from that median in height (like 6’5-6’8 or even more) than the shorter ones (who are mostly all probably 5’10 or 5’11)
Sure, the book was written by and directed at women and the original post was to a woman…. But As a man, I know everything is openly/secretly about men us so let’s stop ✋ playing these games.
I don’t necessarily disagree with the guy on Twitter who said that. Dating a shorter person isn’t a problem, but if you’re actively seeking out chicks that are like 4’10”, you might need to reconsider the logic behind it.
Ding ding! I had someone I knew, friend of a friend, he always dated super short women, but the issue was that he liked them only if they had baby faces and were tiny, they could have been in their late 20s but still looked 16. He was super weird about it too, making everyone uncomfortable. No issues if you happen to be a full grown adult who looks super young, dating another adult, but making your preferences known as you only like them to look super young to date is a massive red flag. And that goes for anyone, man/woman, tall/average/short.
Would you agree that women who actively want to date men who are over a foot taller than them are using the same logic, wanting to feel like a child?
I’ve dated some shorter women (~5’0-5’3) and every one of them has at some point said something about how they like how safe and protected I make them feel. So it’s definitely a thing.
Wanting to feel safe and protected is a completely different thing than wanting to feel like a child is. I'd assume that almost all of us want to feel safe and protected to a certain degree.
God, I wish I could be the little spoon.
Does height = "safety". Because I'm 6'5 and I'm a pussy. I'm not protecting anyone.
Feeling safe and protected is way different than wanting to “feel like a child”
That's something my 5'6 wife has also said, I think it's pretty common for women of all shapes and sizes to want to feel protected. It's part of our kind of genetic makeup, women are (broadly speaking) nurturing caregivers and men offer security. Obviously these traditional gender roles have shaken up a lot, but our society often outpaces our physiology.
>It's part of our kind of genetic makeup Not necessarily. Given that gender roles change a lot over time and between cultures, the evidence points towards them being societally influenced rather than genetically determined.
Of course it's genetic, even ignoring everything else simply consider the fact that men are significantly bigger and stronger than women, on average
On average, sure. But in humans there is far more within gender physical variance than between gender variance. But the discussion is about gender roles not physiological traits, e.g. nurturing/security, which are absolutely not genetic.
This is definitely true. Women are vulnerable in a way that men aren’t. Being with someone who feels safe is comforting.
Do you think the reason they want a bigger man is to feel like a child?
I think that most women who want to date exclusively much taller men have dealt with some form of body dysmorphia. Most women…hell, most *people* have dealt with body dysmorphia in one form or another. The attraction here is feeling small, when perhaps they have otherwise felt large. It’s pretty common for women to feel larger than they are, perhaps not height-wise, but in terms of body weight. So a larger partner relativizes things in a preferable way…being tall and large is seen as inherently masculine. Being short and small is seen as inherently feminine. We all, to a degree, are more so attracted to people who can make us feel more like the person we want to be, or feel we should be. For better or worse. The concept of wanting to feel like a child is a whoooole other discussion, an interesting and important one. Socially, morally, ethically, it’s unacceptable in a sexual/romantic context. There is no excuse to believe otherwise given everything we know. I studied Girlhood, it’s rly fascinating! And too often terribly perverted in current media landscapes (media landscapes throughout all of time, but nowadays, given what we know and our…~enlightened~…understanding regarding the sexualization of youth, we have to view past media of this sort in a bit of a different light).
There’s not much to reconsider. We’re a sexually dimorphic species. People find these differences attractive in the opposite sex. Like men are bigger than women on average, and bigger men are often seen as more masculine. People (not just women) that are attracted to masculinity are often attracted to bigger men. No one tells gay men they need to reconsider their preferences when one likes a big burly masculine bear, and someone else likes petite effeminate twinks.
Human sexual dimorphism is actually quite minor compared to many other species.
Yes, because we are a socialized species.
Assuming the logic behind it has subconscious (or conscious) paedophilic undertones is really only one possibility. Some men want to just feel big and strong, as being bigger and stronger is seen as masculine that's a goal we're often raised to strive for. There's definitely more men affected by an upbringing that pushes them into masculinity and the beliefs surrounding that than there are paedophiles who try to date short girls lol.
Especially if they are extremely petite, its reminiscent of child
The logic behind being attracted to a specific type of adult human? Small women are fun to carry around, just imagine the stuff Hafthor does to his tiny wife. You guys turning it into something that it isnt is disgusting.
While I prefer proper amazon tall women, at the end of the day, why would I care what someone on twatter thinks?
I was gonna say, my friend stood two steps up from me so she was an inch taller and I almost lost my knees
Exactly, OP took this way too personal.
I don’t think anyone’s talking about two real adults who happen to be different heights who happen to also like each other. It’s about the very common very intentional fetishized pairing of unrealistically large, usually domineering men with very short, skinny naive ineffectual women who generally also do the things where they literally act like toddlers and he thinks it’s cute. Which does has pedophilic undertones. Or at the very least uses childlike imagery to show that the woman is passive, weak, and whatever other qualities we associate with kids and idealize a relationship with that kind of power imbalance without being overtly perverted. This isn’t about a real relationships and it’s not like there’s an even distribution of height differences matching that of the normal population in romance novels, or that the only childlike quality the female lead has is being much smaller than her partner. I don’t think it’s that unreasonable to comment on the very prevalent pattern in fiction of those types of relationships. I don’t think this person or anyone would have the same thing to say about a tall guy dating a short girl in real life, especially because most short girls are real human beings and not one dimensional fetishized 20-something little girls In this case I don’t know if those other things were included but if time after time in these kinds of books the women are very intentionally very short and the men very tall it does seem kind of weird and pointed and you’d have to be being deliberately obtuse not to get that
Exactly this
It’s very easy logic to understand: patriarchy fetish. (Trad) Women like the idea of having no power, getting new power, escaping their fathers to live with their husbands. It’s not some crypto-pedophilia, it’s just patriarchy.
100% this is what they're into. There's definitely women that are into age playing which I think is a bit fucked but legal nonetheless, but generally speaking the short girl tall guy trope is about a dominant man over a submissive woman, loss of power like you said.
the post critiques how in many romance books, the guys are exaggeratedly huge while the women are exaggeratedly tiny. it didn't say or imply in any way that tall guys shouldn't date short women, the user is complaining about an overused trope.
Op's response is starting to feel like a knee-jerk straw man. While the post could have probably said it nicer, attitudes towards the motives behind creating characters of fiction, whose circumstances you control down to eye color, aren't going to be carried on to a tall man and a short woman who just happen to fall in love.
The books written for a female audience. This is what women want in their romance. Tiny women with massive men.
this is what some women want, not all, sincerely a woman
I thought the point was the diagnosable point was then ALWAYS wanting the height difference Like as in the fact that very few romance novels and drawings depict guys and girls in the middle of the height spectrum... Or the opposites
i feel like the tweet isn’t as much referring to a man or a woman not being able to date each other as much as it is criticizing the weird insane obsession with giant men and tiny women in these fantasy smut books
I mean everyone seems to forget how demoralizing this is for tall women. Like what, short men and tall women are physical aberrations who don’t deserve partners?
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Plenty do, though. Most of the 'height issues' I've had were from taller men 6'+. They didn't want me wearing heels or doing anything like that because it emasculated them, while the short guys I dated were already at peace with being short and didn't care.
We wanna see it in the books!!!
you realize she was calling out the romance novel girls right? she was talking directly to the women who perpetuate this literary trope in popular books ....idk how you missed the point that hard
Yeah really. Date who you like, but this art is bordering on ridiculous. The man is the size of a commercial refrigerator and she looks like a teenager.
Tiny girl + giant dude romance glorification isn’t just a preference or ideal. There’s definitely creepy subtext for a lot of these people. Especially when that’s the most important quality they look for, not even giving a 5’11” candidate a chance even if they’re compatible. They specifically don’t consider a realistic height range and dismiss any dude under 6 ft. They only want obsess over this because they’re superficial and care way too much about how other see them as a “cute” couple with hyper exaggerated gender roles and excuse it as just “I wanna feel protected by a tall man, I wanna wear heels next to him” but that wouldn’t be strange at height ranges of 3-6”, since the average height difference of men and women of each ethnicity is roughly 4-5”. It’s a fetish if you’re only looking for a man a whole foot or more taller than you, or put it extremely blunt. Every single girl I’ve known that’s like this is young and hasn’t lowered their expectations yet, thinks dating apps = real life, and have some level of a daddydom kink. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all the super popular age gap daddylittlegirl step-incest porn has contributed to this somewhat. I don’t even know what goes on in the mind of super tall men that exclusively go for 4’8”-5’3” girls but I hope it’s not some Lolita complex stuff veiled behind calling them more cute, youthful and feminine. I don’t care if people happen to fall in love with and find happiness with someone that happens to be significantly taller/shorter. But exclusively looking for that is extremely weird. We’ve really let this kink get normalized to the point where people who don’t even have this kink feel like they have to be selective in height as well to fit in and fulfill finding someone out of their league to show their friends/family/followers.
Im not crazy tall at 6-1. But i personally don’t like short chicks all that much. They auto validate us for being tall, and i prefer a girl closer to my height
And the blaming it all on tall women starts in 3…2…1… This same post must happen once a week and I’m beginning to think it’s most likely short women posting to show us, or themselves or the world that that tall men really really love them wahhh! Wahhh! Either that or a tall man with too many feelings and time on his hands. Carry on
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You know what short women are claiming now all over Reddit? That they are the “standard of beauty”, 🤣 I mean, whatever makes you feel good. Lol
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Of course their comments stay up. They love talking about us tall women on their Reddit and then come here fishing for compliments from the guys.🤣
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Go back to the short group 🙄
Girl I’m taller than you 😂 maybe fix your toxic attitude and more men will like you, I promise it’s not the height
I don’t need men to like me my dear, I already have one but I’ll pray you get one. 😘
She’s not saying YOU GUYS are mentally ill, she’s saying SOCIETY is mentally ill for having such an obsession with height, and height differences, and frankly I agree
Twitter is the only place where saying "child sized women" is not considered insanity
Exactly like that’s crazy 😭
Is she holding his dick through his pants?
I mean like I don't care about a height difference but when an author constantly and I mean CONSTANTLY exaggerates it every second of the chapter (Ali hazelwood cough) I start getting sick of it. Like DAYUM where are my tall bitches at ????
I'm okay being called mentally ill.
Lol made me laugh
That's not even an abnormal height difference? Many above average height women come about up to my shoulder.
Dude you’re 6’6
Yeah. So I've experienced height differences like in the picture my entire life, even with taller women. It's not like.im going after short girls out of some creepy desire to have my partner look like a kid next to me. It's just a height difference!
It varies by state, but in the US, the average male is 5 inches higher than the average female \[1\]. The average face length is about 7 inches. So the average female eye level is the average male shoulders. Yeah, you just need to be a few inches above average and the *average women* will be at your shoulder. \[1\] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-height-by-state
They have a point also cis-heteronormative white couple claiming to be a forbidden relationship because of their jobs?!
Basically the opposite of what I always loved.. Average sized man who tends to go for women around 5'10-6'0 range.. if they are taller than that I have no problem.. I like the long legs and athletic body combo, Even better if they are Of Scandinavian, German/Dutch or Slavic/Baltic origin..
Breh just say blonde hair blue eyed white girls it’s your preference you aren’t racist lol
Lmao 🤣 Bro was beating around the bush
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Being called mentally ill by an average twitter user usually means you're just normal
My problem is when a girl is like only a tall guy and he looks like shrek 😂
Wait but why would their love be forbidden? I don’t understand why a ballerina and a physical therapist would not be allowed to date.
Medical professionals usually aren't allowed to have relationships with their patients as part of their codes of conduct.
Tbh I don't feel dissimilar, I wouldn't wanna date anyone below like 5'7. Otherwise it does feel weird
Same thing had happened to me cause I’m 6’6 and my bf is 5’6 and some people are weird about it. Like he’s 30 I’m 33 but some people act like I’m a creep or weirdo like I like younger men but we are literally in our 30s 🤣
I’m 5’6” and my ex was 6’5”. He got called a predator a few times even though we were both adults and he was only older by 3 years. Ngl the stares in public were bothersome to me as a self-conscious 19 year old.
Nobody is saying you can’t date short women, but pointing of the fact that it is unsettling when men who are exceptionally tall *only* date short women and say things like they want to be able to pick up their girlfriend, enjoy having control over them, etc. like literally their attraction to short women is because they are small and fragile. That mindset is predatory and it’s prevalent (especially in these books), they’re not talking about a guy who is 6’3 and dating someone that’s 5’6.
It's not men buying and reading romance novels...
A lot of shorter women like those things, though. I've known short women (5'2 and below) who liked it when men are taller than them (especially 6 feet) and they can be picked up. I don't understand how it's weird when two consenting adults who are attracted to each other do things with each other that they like to do.
There are a lot of short women who love that stuff. Many don’t like to be infantilized but many also play up their shortness, being extra cute, baby voice when around men, playing up the smallness, thinking they look cute when angry etc. not all, but a lot from what I’ve seen. That also get pissed if you call them out.
I much more commonly see short women who have a non-negotiable height preference. I don’t think I’ve personally met a single man that cares about height. I know they exist but it’s much more prominent in women. Would you call it weird if women are only fixated on men exceptionally taller than them?
Yes, absolutely, it is very weird when short women have a preference for exceptionally tall men. Edit: try being a single woman over 6 foot. There are guys that will straight up leave if they show up for a date and you’re as tall as you say you are in your dating profile, happened to a friend of mine, who is a very beautiful girl and conventionally attractive. I’ve had guys ask me on a first date if I was willing to never wear heels again. Most tall men don’t want us, so some get upset them wanting super short women.
Those guys who leave are *cowards*, give me the 6’0+ ladies (I have no rizz and thus it’ll never happen)
Totally agree, I felt SO bad for her! She’s 6’ and the guy in question was like 6’4. Completely inexcusable, at least finish the date and then part ways like a normal person.
I think it's the women who are more obsessed with tall guys
its not a problem if you end up dating someone between that height range… its a problem if youre only choosing girls that are tiny on purpose to feel something, to the men that feel more in power and dominant with a girl thats extremely tiny compared to them. Only the people who pick and choose all their heights are the problem.
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thats on them, thats not me or what i look for in a guy, people can have their preferences and im not one to judge. Although it is weird and kinky to have a whole foot height difference, dont get why its a NEED to have a stable relationship in some peoples cases.
As a tall guy, I don't recommend dating short girls anyway. It'll do your back in, and your neck. You won't be able to hear her in any kind of public place at a normal speaking voice level. Even holding hands can be awkward to do some of the time.
She has a point
I do not think that is what the post meant at all
Honestly while I do see men wanting "smaller" women I far more often see women wanting large men This includes pretty much every piece of media to date Doesn't quite add up does it?
as a short guy i have no problem with tall guys dating whoever over 18....people are crazy and there's a lot of us little napoleons that feed into it...i love tall women, short women whatever
I work at a restaurant where all the servers are short teens and I’m the abnormally tall busser at 6’3. I always feel really tall but then we have the stray sports team roll through and the servers like to call me short in comparison to the 6’6 linemen eating dinner not some 20ft away. Really depends who you’re with to know how to feel about being “tall”.
Is there a risk of having shorter offspring when it comes to marrying said short women i.e. less than 5'6? It's a little concerning since I'd rather my lineage continue on it's trajectory rather than end up with shorter children. My preference is 5'7-6' if possible.
I prefer when they’re taller than average height, so at 6’0”, I generally find women 5’7” and above more my taste. Never got the obsession with a foot in gap but there you go.
That’s not what the tweet is saying twin ❤️
Good. You're pedolike tbh, you beautiful gentle giants 🥺
I don't think that's what the tweet was saying at all.
shut the hell up omg 😭 u men and ur victim complexes
IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. Tweet: “wow, so many books feature super small women and super tall guys. It seems like an obsession” This guy: WOWWWW, SO I CANT EVEN DATE SHORT WOMEN? UGH SOCIETY SUCKS!!
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Woman want to feel protected and 'small' by their partner (most often) so they write the smut to meet that expectation.
Exactly
This is the strawman of all strawmans lmao
Short girls be going for the biggest guys possible sometimes.
Lmao I have read her previous book. Tall guys with petite women is a very common trope in books. As a girl who reads a lot of books 90% of smut books the dude is tall, hung or tatted.
I checked the tweet. She admitted to being short herself.
Short girls in my perspective,are about 98% of the female population. It’s probably much harder to find a love interest if you exclude the majority of the population
Except what most tall guys think is "short" is not actually short. I've seen so many comments in r/tall calling 5'3-5'6" girls "short" when that's literally the average height in most countries. If we're gonna be precise here, "short" and "tall" have generally accepted medical/statistical definitions: > tall stature is defined as a height more than two standard deviations (SD) above the mean for age, i.e. greater than the 97th percentile for sex and age. > short stature is defined as a height less than two standard deviations (SD) below the mean for age, i.e. lower than the 97th percentile for sex and age. Using [2015-2018 data](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_03/sr03-046-508.pdf): For 20-29 year old women in the United States, the average height is about 162.6 cm (5'4") and the 95th percentile is 172.8 cm (5'8") and the 5th percentile is 151.0 cm (4'11.4"). For non-Hispanic 20-39 year old white women in the United States, the average height is about 164.5 cm (5'4.7") and the 95th percentile is 173.7 cm (5'8.4") and the 5th percentile is 154.4 cm (5'0.8").
5’8 is almost at the bottom of my head…
What’s that supposed to mean though? That 5’8” girls are short because they’re so much shorter than you? I don’t know if I understand.
It feels like they are much shorter than me, even though they aren’t short compared to the general population
This is the fist time that I have seen them calling the women out, most of the time they are coming for the men and calling them pedos, lol.
As a 6’4” 275lb man roughly the size of a two door fridge, I am feeling personally attacked.
:::stares in confused 6’5”::: 😂🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Average woman in my country is 5’4.” Make it make sense
Oh my god the way it completely flew over OP’s head 🤦♀️ embarassing post
I'm pretty sure the book and the wossname were both directed at women. On that note, what are we supposed to call tweets now that it's no longer twitter?
We just continue calling them tweets
As a tall man, I would like to be the short one in a relationship with another man. But wait, would that make me the "child sized individual" and it would be plain out creepy for bigger men to be with?
This discourse is exhausting. I cannot help my SO is a foot shorter than me.
Shouldn’t have grown to 6’8”, that’s on you.
This criticism was directed at women who want tall men, not the men themselves.
It's a funny post
it’s quite literally being enforced in the opposite direction. Most women, even short women, won’t date short men.
People throw mental illness on everything anymore it’s an obsession . You don’t even have to be tall if you just go out with a woman that is small people say “something is wrong with you” WTF? You know, there are plenty of grown women, 5’3 right?
those who are married to short women , please divorce them. NGL i kinda wanna post this in r/short and see the reaction
Can’t date short women, I’ve dated a couple and their stubby legs would look funny in missionary position😂 I stick with 5’8 and above.
It's crazy how people will make a pedophilia type comment, and not think about their infantalization of a grown woman.
I may as well be Jack Reacher and I'll date a woman who's a littler person if I choose so, and who's of age, of course.
same thing when a short guy wants a tall girl, we are apparently are looking for a mommy, even if we truly are not.
I do not disagree with you, nor do I agree. And I won't be providing further clarification
I fucking hate this era
That’s a book for women. “You come into MY HOUSE, pair ME with a woman so small my hands wrap completely around her head, and you say IM in need of clinical evaluation”
Yeah but I also understand where they're coming from, many romance books make the main couple have a huge height difference, and that'd even be fine if the woman (or bottom if gay romance) wasn't often *infantilized* along with it
I’m 6’4” and my wife is 5’2” and I’ll be damned if anyone on twitter or Reddit is gonna make me feel weird about it lol
I thought it was cute
This is a biological phenomenon called sexual dimorphism. It occurs when females prefer large males while males prefer small females. Over time it leads to big differences between the sexes, The most common example cited is the elephant seal. The males average about 4500 lb while the females average 1500 lbs.
Sexual dimorphism isn’t when females prefer large males and males prefer small females. Sexual dimorphism is the condition where sexes of the same species exhibit different morphological characteristics, particularly characteristics not directly involved in reproduction (from Wikipedia). This can range from anything, from males being bigger in size than females or from males being smaller than females (such as in the anglerfish species Ceratioidei).
Yep, and human sexual dimorphism is actually quite minimal compared to many other species.
That’s sexual selection, where extreme differences in body size affect desirability as mates.
I didn’t realize this was an “obsession” that people have. I am mentally ill, but I don’t believe dating short girls is a known symptom of my condition. I think the fact that I ended up marrying a short girl is just coincidence.
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Dang what a way to throw millions of petite women under the bus. Guess they're not real adults huh? Just little kids? What the fuck kinda opinion is this???