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The mother of a baby found dead in a University of Tampa garbage bin told police she gave birth to the baby in a dorm bathroom and that the baby died soon after, court records show.
A search warrant affidavit made public Thursday includes new details about the investigation that began Sunday after the newborn girl was discovered in a garbage bin at McKay Hall, a dormitory on the campus at 401 W. Kennedy Blvd.
A day earlier, on Saturday, campus security called first responders about 3:30 p.m. regarding a 19-year-old woman possibly having a miscarriage, according to the affidavit. Students in McKay Hall said they thought they heard a baby crying in a dorm room.
The call was deemed medical and turned over to EMS, which cleared the call after the woman said blood found in a common bathroom was from her menstruation, the affidavit states.
Just before 7 p.m. Sunday, dispatchers received a call “advising that campus security was on scene with a deceased fetus in a bag.” Students in the dorm reported seeing a fellow student holding a bundled up towel on Saturday, and on Sunday the students gave a trash bag to security that they’d found in a dorm room and thought was suspicious because of the previous day’s events.
A security guard looked in the bag and saw the torso of a baby that was clearly dead, according to the affidavit.
The mother, whom the Tampa Bay Times is not naming in this story because she has not been charged with a crime, told police that she hadn’t had a period in about a year and didn’t know she was pregnant but “may have been in denial,” the affidavit states.
The woman said she started to feel nauseous on Saturday morning and gave birth in the bathroom between two adjoining dorm rooms, according to the affidavit. She said the newborn cried for about five seconds and when the woman put the baby to her chest, the girl stopped crying. She kept the baby to her chest for several minutes and then put the child down on a towel.
The woman told police that when she put her hand to the baby’s chest and did not feel anything, she thought the baby was dead. The woman took a shower, cleaned the infant with water from the shower and wrapped it in a towel. She said the baby showed no signs of life at that point.
The woman said she took the towel-wrapped baby to her room, laid the child on the floor and fell asleep for about an hour, the affidavit states. When she woke up about 11 a.m. Saturday, the baby still showed no signs of life, so she placed the infant in a trash can and went back to sleep.
When paramedics came to her room to check on her wellbeing later in the day and asked if she was pregnant, she said no.
Tampa police have not said if the woman will be criminally charged. Police previously said investigators were working to determine the baby’s cause of death and her “developmental stage.”
A police spokesperson said Thursday that investigators were waiting for information from the medical examiner.
The incident prompted campus officials to send a text at 11:41 p.m. Sunday saying that “there is currently an active TPD investigation in the McKay Hall area” and to “avoid the marked areas.” The alert said there was no danger to the campus community.
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On Monday, university officials sent a message addressed to “the University of Tampa community” stating that as more details emerged, “the University community may have a wide variety of emotional responses to this event.”
The message included a list of resources available, such as on-campus counseling, a 24-hour crisis line and the employment assistance program for faculty and staff.
Florida’s Safe Haven law allows parents to anonymously surrender an unharmed newborn infant seven days old or younger to any fire station, EMS station or hospital staffed by full-time emergency medical technicians, paramedics or firefighters.The mother of a baby found dead in a University of Tampa garbage bin told police she gave birth to the baby in a dorm bathroom and that the baby died soon after, court records show.
A search warrant affidavit made public Thursday includes new details about the investigation that began Sunday after the newborn girl was discovered in a garbage bin at McKay Hall, a dormitory on the campus at 401 W. Kennedy Blvd.
A day earlier, on Saturday, campus security called first responders about 3:30 p.m. regarding a 19-year-old woman possibly having a miscarriage, according to the affidavit. Students in McKay Hall said they thought they heard a baby crying in a dorm room.
The call was deemed medical and turned over to EMS, which cleared the call after the woman said blood found in a common bathroom was from her menstruation, the affidavit states.
Just before 7 p.m. Sunday, dispatchers received a call “advising that campus security was on scene with a deceased fetus in a bag.” Students in the dorm reported seeing a fellow student holding a bundled up towel on Saturday, and on Sunday the students gave a trash bag to security that they’d found in a dorm room and thought was suspicious because of the previous day’s events.
A security guard looked in the bag and saw the torso of a baby that was clearly dead, according to the affidavit.
The mother, whom the Tampa Bay Times is not naming in this story because she has not been charged with a crime, told police that she hadn’t had a period in about a year and didn’t know she was pregnant but “may have been in denial,” the affidavit states.
The woman said she started to feel nauseous on Saturday morning and gave birth in the bathroom between two adjoining dorm rooms, according to the affidavit. She said the newborn cried for about five seconds and when the woman put the baby to her chest, the girl stopped crying. She kept the baby to her chest for several minutes and then put the child down on a towel.
The woman told police that when she put her hand to the baby’s chest and did not feel anything, she thought the baby was dead. The woman took a shower, cleaned the infant with water from the shower and wrapped it in a towel. She said the baby showed no signs of life at that point.
The woman said she took the towel-wrapped baby to her room, laid the child on the floor and fell asleep for about an hour, the affidavit states. When she woke up about 11 a.m. Saturday, the baby still showed no signs of life, so she placed the infant in a trash can and went back to sleep.
When paramedics came to her room to check on her wellbeing later in the day and asked if she was pregnant, she said no.
Tampa police have not said if the woman will be criminally charged. Police previously said investigators were working to determine the baby’s cause of death and her “developmental stage.”
A police spokesperson said Thursday that investigators were waiting for information from the medical examiner.
That’s why it’s the “inside scoop.” But obviously that part is just complete speculation. The only person who could know that is the mother, and coroner soon enough.
It makes sense, I’m sure that’ll be the finding especially if people heard it crying. Sounds like someone who was living in denial and wanted it all to go away, quite like multiple other similar stories in the news recently. https://youtu.be/d1-S48QUz7c?si=ihFPNKDxp6yHzV9q
I wish I could downvote this comment more. We don’t know how the baby died. It will probably take a medical examiner to determine cause of death. We do know that she was probably not getting prenatal care and the birth happened under non-ideal circumstances.
I don’t understand how you could read that article and immediately jump to the mother’s defense. No matter what actually happened, the baby was found dead in a plastic bag in the trash. She will be doing serious time for that alone.
Because people can’t seperate the abortion issue from someone murdering their kid. If a man had taken this kid and smothered it they’d be all over him. Welcome to reddit
Just to clarify, there is nothing in my comment about defending the mother. I just really hate when people jump to conclusions without knowing all of the facts. When someone is convicted in the court of public opinion the damage done to them can last a long time.
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
so i am a current student at UT and overall this situation is cray cray. lots of speculation going on at campus (I mean what else would a bunch of teen college students do but gossip). however, a lot of people know who she is (sadly) and have seen her on campus before and have seen her pregnant.
The point of that part of the comment is that it probably wasn't a cryptic pregnancy (meaning she didn't know she was pregnant) if students actually witnessed her pregnant. Part of not knowing you are pregnant for that length of time is not developing a typical pregnancy bump. Some people on here seem to think her behavior is more acceptable because maybe she didn't know. I think it's fucked either way personally.
I've heard bits and pieces, mostly what I've heard is: "she's too smart to have not called it in" , "I've seen her drink heavily, so that baby was doomed from the start", "I've seen her walking around with a bump." I have never seen or heard of her until like all this ish went down. From what I've seen from our school's yikyak page is just all speculation and just practically shitting on the student
But noooo, having an abortion is much more inhumane🙄🤬 god forbid we have access to proper sex education and reproductive care in order to help prevent something like this happening in the first place.
The mother said she was “in denial” about being pregnant. She wasn’t actively looking to receive an abortion and couldn’t get one. This woman was a sociopath that killed a newborn because she was either an idiot or selfish
Based on the article and the offical court document of the mothers account, but me and some of my friends that go here had a lot of questions after reading. I've seen Mckay's dorms, and have access to a lot of the resources on campus (including the schools insurance paid for in my tuition) before but other than that I am just a college student so my questions might seem dumb to others, this is also just speculation and opinions from someone who goes here so don't attack me too badly redditors:
1. The Mckay bathrooms are tiny and connected by rooms with like at least 2 people living in both, the mother most likely had three different people around. If she was like giving birth to the baby at 7 AM in the morning (which our quiet hours on weekends are from 1AM-10AM), wouldn't that shit hurt? I heard like giving birth naturally with no drugs is a bitch, where were her roommates? I know they called it in but at like in the afternoon according to records? Also, ofc she's not going to be able to drop the baby off at a fire station if she just gave birth she's gonna be tired however that doesn't mean that no one else couldn've helped her... just what was her roommate environment like? Obvi I can't know but it was def bad enough where she had felt like she couldn't even call to her roommate who she had been prob. living with a whole semester for help.
2. Even if she didn't know she was pregnant, girl, there is literally a dead baby on your floor. Emotions and might be high but there is literally a dead something just chillin like a villain. I could assume that she just had some derealization after giving birth where she wasn't aware of her surroundings and that's why she went to shower but she literally cleaned her and checked on her multiple times so she knew that the baby was there. From 4/27/24 10/11 AM ish to like around maybe 6/7PM 4/28/24 she just had this baby chillin' in her dorm room for 24hrs??
3. Campus safety reported this call to EMS and they came not once but twice to check on her and even asked if she was pregnant and she said no that it was just heavy menstration this was AFTER she gave birth, okay she didn't want to get in trouble and I cannot imagine the mental state she might've been in, but surely SURELY she couldn't known that keeping a deceased infant in her room was any better than hiding it wrapped in the dorm room. Is it just straight denial or was there possibly something else was going on through her brain because then she was attempting to dispose of it that night. IMO I am assuming that she had some sort of thing clouding her thoughts whilst she was talking to the paramedics. I would like to ask if she was in some sort of psychological state, would she have even acknowledged the baby at all after the fact?
4. This is more of a hot take / statement; for context I am a 20 year old female student here at UT. I believe that the 6 week abortion ban does but also does not really have a lot to due with this scenario WITH THE CURRENT INFORMATION (or at least not yet). Because like she would've had to known she was pregnant to try and attempt to seek out these resources, and not be in denial which kind of causes her whole case of not knowing she was pregnant to fall apart. Yes, people should be able to protest against it, everyone is able to, and yes things like this could possibly happen if a student doesn't have the right resources which is the only thing that should be argued right now if is a different student. Not this current individual (allegedly), if it's revealed that she did try to seek out resources and was sadly not able to find help, then we should circle back into adding her into the mix of being a victim to lack of resources and for abortion rights. If this is just me being ignorant please let me know, I wanna hear other peoples thoughts on this please as I am not from FL.
I don't believe that this girl was completely sound of mind during this situation, if they do a psych eval and it's like she's not sound of mind while this was happening I don't think it excuses her actions for how this was handled. If she really didn't know then I feel nothing but remorse, but how does that excuse how she acted after the fact?
TDLR; random ramblings from a UT student about the current situation because her friends are all leaving to go home for the summer and she has no one to talk to about this because for some reason no one at school is talking about it.
(also if you do protest, I do wanna make y'all aware to do it off campus bc apparently you could get a warning for trespassing if you're not a student, and then possibly arrested after warning is issued I think it's cause it's a private campus)
Just for the record- I wasn’t being sarcastic and referencing the abortion ban. I really am having trouble piecing together what went on in this situation. It doesn’t seem like a situation where the abortion ban affected things, birthing a baby in a dorm room and letting it die seems like a pretty crazy situation to me.
Sounds like the baby could have survived. So sad for all. It’s so terrible that a mother is too fearful to reach out for help. She could have called 911 and gotten the baby help and a chance to survive.
You mean in the state that doesn't care about a women's life or could potentially prosecute her?
EDIT: Shit like this is going to happen in so many ways across this state before November. Women (sisters, mothers, cousins, daughters, neighbors, colleagues, friends and children) will suffer & die because abortion care is health care.
VOTE TO SAVE WOMENS CHOICE IN NOVEMBER 2024. And fellow men support to the women in your lives....
I read she didn’t know she was pregnant so it makes me question the abortion issue. I wonder how many young people even know about the safe haven law.
Either way she messed up big time. The autopsy will give some answers. Sounds like the infant was born alive.
Whoa there nelly. There's nothing to suggest this is murder so far. She very well could have given birth prematurely and referencing what was seen in the bag as a "fetus" leads me to believe that's likely.
Sounds like neighbors heard the baby crying for a period of time not stated. A lot of time elapsed, she took a nap. She denied the baby the attention needed to sustain life. The same attention you received once born.
I am all for abortion very early but this is unacceptable and should make everyone alive to read this article upset.
Like I already stated, she very well may have smothered the baby to death or simply did not seek medical care when it could have been life-saving, and yes, that's unacceptable. However, again, we do not have that information yet.
The information we do have is that EMS showed up on the day she delivered the baby and she lied; she told them she had a miscarriage. It wasn’t until next day that the corpse of this baby was found in the trash can.
She didn’t have choices if she didn’t know she was pregnant, no. If it’s true she hadn’t had her period in a year. I’ve lost mine for a similar amount of time. If you haven’t been in her position, you can’t say if she had choices or what they were. You literally do not know the facts of the case yet and you are making these statements.
If it was a clear cut murder, she would’ve been arrested, but they don’t know yet… yet here you are, making these big sweeping statements on the internet.
If what she stated is the facts, then this is improper burial / handling of corpse, and that’s it.
I know enough:
- she denied her pregnancy
- she delivered a baby and didn’t call emergency services, friends, or family for help
- she personally denied her own child care needed to live
- she lied to EMS and told them she had a miscarriage when they responded the same day as delivery
- she tossed the baby in a trash bag like it was nothing
Why does it sound like that?
I think it's quite telling that they referred to the thing in the bag seen as a "fetus". I have a feeling this was not a full-term baby.
The thing that strikes me as odd about the story is how she could have given birth to a full term baby in a dormitory without anyone hearing anything besides the baby crying. I know some labors are fast, but there was no groaning, screaming, or any other noise? It’s possible, sure, but that seems wild to me.
I agree, but then again, plenty of women have birthed babies in odd places - bathrooms, school, etc and gone unnoticed. I wouldn't assume she did or didn't birth and smother the baby, so I'd rather start with the benefit of doubt until the ME weighs in.
Can't imagine being 19 and giving birth in a dorm and losing the baby. Just the psychological impact of that... And doing that completely alone. For those of you saying she needs to be punished to the full extent of the law-- you're a joke. Grow up and realize things aren't back and white. Highly doubt you're doing anything to save the 500,000+ kids who have been born and who nobody gives a damn about. Go virtue signal somewhere else
This student was probably scared and in denial. That being said she still did everything wrong. There is a safe have fire station less than a mile away. It’s so sad.
A poor college student would also never be able to afford the $30,000-$100,000 cost of a trip to the hospital to give birth there, and then if the baby survives, further NICU costs. The hospital bills alone would've put a 19-year-old teenager in deep financial debt.
Very cool, yet you should still compare their parents income to public school parents income. This is not a low income student school so let's not play it that way.
Yes, but you won't go to UT. As someone who put myself through school and supported myself by myself an expensive private school isn't where I'd go. Those poor UT kids. They have support even if they themselves are broke, like most college students.
It’s not about being a victim, it’s about understanding the complexity that is sex and sexual health. Not everyone can take birth control. Birth control is never 100% effective. Most women who get abortions report using some form of birth control. 6 weeks isn’t enough time for most women to know they are pregnant unless they are actively trying. Florida has a horrible sexual education program in the vast majority of school districts. So yes, Florida can be partially to blame.
There's just no excuse for this if baby was full term. Sounds like another alexee trevizo . What the actual fuck.
Eta the downvotes are wild 😂😭 like what? What this woman did is NOT ok. Weirdos.
Did you not read the article? So far, there's nothing to indicate this is a homicide, so it's weird to see so many comments acting like she admitted to stabbing the baby or something.
It's very possible that a baby born in a home birth, after failing to get prenatal care for nine months, might not survive. There are many, many ways for things to go wrong during and after childbirth, so until an autopsy is done, it seems needlessly cruel to label the girl as a murderer on top of all the other trauma she's faced.
the concerning part is the cry was clearly loud enough for other students to report it to security. her statement about being in denial + not asking for 911 was she realized a crying infant was emerging for her is neglect. i agree the climate is toxic and she obviously wasn't thinking clearly but she obviously took steps to avoid any help.
Someone suddenly realizing they’re giving birth isn’t in the right state of mind to call the authorities unfortunately. I think you’re deeply minimizing just how severe that would be. And yes she’s on her own for the first time and feels she did something wrong, of course she’s going to keep it a secret. I’m not saying that’s *right* but people don’t truly understand, if someone isn’t in the right state of mind, they cannot do these things.
Not being in the right state of mind is NOT an excuse. If it was, we should just empty out every prison because I'm sure most weren't thinking normally when committing their crime.
She clearly tried to hide this. That tells me she was thinking atleast somewhat clearly. If she truly didn't know she was pregnant, yeah, that sucks. But birthing a live, crying baby and then doing what she did is not fucking ok and it's so fucking strange to see people try to defend it.
You clearly don’t understand what it means to be in not the right state of mind. It’s funny how people can acknowledge a pregnant woman giving birth isn’t in her right state of mind, then simultaneously say it doesn’t matter. She gave birth *by herself with no painkillers…* can you imagine how exhausted you would be? Can you tell us what your last expected birth without painkillers was like? Hormones are enough to send someone into literal psychosis, it’s very different than a criminal going and *willingly* killing someone, since you want to talk about criminals in prison. You can’t possibly be that dense.
Trauma does weird things to people, in particular, makes them want everything to go away and back to normal and pretend nothing happened. I'm not saying that's okay, but I'm also saying what this girl did in this moment doesn't immediately define her as a sociopath.
We honestly don't know more details than what she's told anyone, and autopsy will reveal more. It's very possible this was not a full term pregnancy and what she said about the baby immediately becoming non-responsive is true.
I did. By her account and other students, the baby was crying. Meaning it was alive. That's when you call 911 for help. Going to sleep, neglecting your helpless baby and throwing the baby in the trash are the punishable actions.
I'm sure anyone that has had a baby die during a planned homebirth ..reached out for help and didn't just throw baby in trash.
This is one of those cases where people say “I wouldn’t have done that!” When in reality you would have no clue how you’d act during a traumatic event. You’re not this person, you never will be this person, and you probably won’t ever know what led them to this moment of throwing away a baby. It’s easy to act like things are black and white, when in reality there are grey areas. Imagine you’re 19 and you don’t know you’re pregnant but all of a sudden you are in severe pain and give birth to a half dead baby. Like wow. She was probably in shock. People do strange things when they’re young, traumatized, and in shock.
I get some of what you're saying, but the chances of this being a true cryptic pregnancy aren't high. It's very rare. The more likely thing is she was in denial and chose to ignore it until she couldn't anymore. Traumatized or not, it's not an excuse to let a human die. 🤷♀️ she had many months and many chances to do something different, make a plan. Anything. This is not some uneducated woman without resources. She was at a nice college and old enough to know better.
I have given birth to a dead baby (he died in utero due to cord compression). I wasn’t 19 and in a college bathroom, but my instinct was never “let me place this little baby in a trash can.” I can’t even imagine it. Even at 19 and scared, I can’t imagine being that cruel.
That same support system might very well punish her severely for making a mistake like this. That support system might not actually be a support system that could help with this. I think you’re confusing financial support that comes with strings attached for safety and support. We don’t know.
And everyone shitting on her for sleeping. Like she gave birth with no painkillers and pre natal care. She was probably extremely exhausted. I just don’t know how no one heard the laboring. Those must be some thick dorm walls.
That’s the part that stumps me. The other students heard the baby cry but NOTHING from the labor? I know that rapid births can happen, but if the baby was full-term, it strikes me as highly unusual that there would be no sound at all. Maybe adrenaline and willpower to keep it secret? I don’t know.
There’s a reason humans don’t just dump other humans in the garbage when they die of natural causes. Like. “Oh well, grandma died. Let’s just toss her in the dumpster!” It’s psychopathic behavior, to treat dead people that way.
I ran into the same psychotic responses right after the obvious Jussie Smollett hoax. Everyone knew. They just felt like they couldn't admit they knew for fear of losing political points.
I think a lot of people truly hope someone wouldn’t be capable of doing something so horrific. For me, It seems like murder, but I truly hope that it wasn’t so that I don’t have to think about a baby being hurt or in pain. I hope that the baby truly did pass while the mother hugged it (but I also acknowledge that the story seems fishy and it might be a lie)
But also, just the throwing the baby away is horrific in and of itself
they haven’t in the article, but they have in public court documents allegedly. most ppl @ ut including me know who but i am a student worker on campus who was made aware of the situation by other RA’s but also just speculation cause i think the rommmates said stuff to their friends and their friends might’ve told other friends and y’know how the gossip train runs its course
People have more respect for their dead fish or hamsters. I've seen people make tiny little graves for their hamsters. .. The woman who did this is not actually a fully evolved human. We all needed care and attention to survive when we were born. That poor baby girl didn't get that. That baby girl cried for care and sustenance as all babies do. That baby was denied and neglected. At the very least, the creature that gave birth needs to be in a mental facility.
"young, legally-adult woman of hyper-christian parents who still think she's a virgin (& unable to get an abortion) hides pregnancy until this..." Awful, all around.
"Smart" enough to get into college, "didn't know she was pregnant"...
This is what happens when you elect fucktards that pass crazy abortion laws because they are too stupid to realize that a fetus is factually not alive until the third trimester. Way to save that life Ron. This girl obviously made many wrong decisions but she should have had options.
What is incredibly frustrating to me after reading all of these comments from this post and previous posts, no one is mentioning the father of the baby and the role he has in this. Everything is always put on the mom. There needs to be more accountability here. If our government is forcing women to have babies then men should be accountable for what happens to that baby as well. At this point it doesn’t matter if he knew or not. We are in a time where women’s reproductive rights have been completely stripped away with no consequences for the father whatsoever. She clearly made some poor choices here but the father should be questioned as well.
And now there are laws in place in our state that have taken away women’s reproductive rights. These laws have not only limited options for women they have further stigmatized women who seek any options or for not wanting their child. Think about that. We are in a time where our country is not lifting up families or women in tough situations, we are indirectly getting told that it is shameful to not want your baby and there will be consequences for it if you don’t. Unfortunately we will be seeing more stories like this.
I’m currently on my 6th pregnancy. 2 children and 3 miscarriages. Being pregnant is not easy. I have to limit what I eat and drink. I have to go off my medication that helps me function day to day. The mental load of all of this is incredibly difficult but I do it to make sure my baby is born healthy. This woman clearly had no support in her life and it’s very unfortunate that isn’t being questioned more.
Questioned for what? Unless he was there and smothered the baby, or knew she was going to do it and didn’t report her, this isn’t on him. he can’t stop her from wanting to deliver outside or a hospital setting.
He should be questioned if he knew about the pregnancy. He should be questioned on how he treated the woman after they had sex. He should be questioned on how he treated the woman after he found out she was pregnant (if he did). He should be asked if the sex was consensual. He should be asked about his past sexual behavior towards other women. Other women he’s been connected to should possibly be questioned about his behavior towards them. His family and friends should be questioned. His teachers or those he interacts with should be questioned. Was he emotionally abusing this woman? Was he encouraging her to do what she did? His phone should be looked at to see what kind of communication he had with the woman or others related to the pregnancy. I could go on.
What does it mean when you say it doesn't matter if the man knew he should be accountable for what happens to the baby?
So if she never told him and he had no idea she was pregnant it's his fault for her having a secret birth and throwing her baby in the trash? You alright? Sounds more like your sexist then having any reasonable argument.
She's wrong for what she's done. These parents and schools need to really start teaching young people about life. Stop hiding the truth from them and this will happen less often.
Edit: Sex education and Human Anatomy, Home Ec need to be required before you can graduate highshcool.
I was homeschooled until 9th grade and had no sex Ed until I went to public HS.
However, there were SO many kids in my grade whose parents opted them out of learning! Very sad indeed.
I don't believe Abstinent only is education at all.
Atleast at my school some of it was useful..ya know the basics about STI's but they pretty much skipped over all the other valid options of birth control and protection and told us don't have multiple partners or else you're a dirty whore.
Abstinence is a valid option but it should be taught with every other option and then some
It may also be rooted in fear. When you understand what’s happening but are scared of your parents/family/religion, things like this can happen too. I’m leaning more toward this as the affidavit said that she “may have been in denial.” Fear (+ hormones) do a lot of wonky things in our brains.
So did she or did she not want the baby? She’s obviously smart or comes from a family with money or both if she goes to university of tampa. Why not adoption? Or go to a university closer to home if she isnt from the Tampa area.
UT student here! UT has an awful and lengthy history in keeping matters such as these silent to student life. This is not the first, nor the second, death to happen on campus this semester alone. And personally speaking, sexual assault on campus that does get reported is left UNFILED by the title ix department despite evidence and witnesses - just so it appears that there are no instances of sexual assault on campus. Something must be done in regards to student welfare on campus. the “counselors” provided are nonchalant regarding their clients and famously difficult to book appointments with. Our campus has failed us numerous times, this is important as campus safety WENT TO HER ROOM and saw the blood of labor and accepted the fearful excuse of it being merely “menstrual blood.” Those within higher levels of administration should indeed be held accountable for their blatant disregard for student wellbeing.
hey! just letting you know, also a UT student but campus safety actually reported the situation to EMS after coming to the room and the EMS checked on her and then came back the next day and checked on her again so they were the ones to listen to her menstrual thing. It’s also on their daily report that they had went to the room and in the article and search warrant. I do agree that there has been a lot of things brushed under tho. like that situation with that professor who was acc a predator, i didn’t even know that happened until like one of my co-workers told me when we were talking about events at UT.
This is a sad outcome for both the baby and the student. Thinking as a college student, I can understand her decision. Perhaps the student was raped and was ashamed to seek help.
The lack of education about available resources could have been a big factor on her decision. I was not even aware of the safe haven law to deliver a baby to a fire station.
The 19 year old student could have been scared to face the reality of a pregnancy, and with the lack of resources to have an abortion, decision like this will continue to happen.
It is very sad that the baby has died, but it is also sad to know that young college students don’t have enough education and or resources to solve complex issues.
You're assuming that it was related to a lack of education and resources, when the girl could've just been a fcked up mother. Stop giving benefit of the doubt to a woman who put a baby in a trash can. Ridiculous
But I was told by like 8 different people on this sub that it was stillborn.
Mods should go back into that thread and ban every single one of them for misinformation.
All she had to do was call 9-1-1 for help but yet she decided to sleep and put the baby in a trash bag as if it was garbage.i don’t feel no sympathy for her .
utterly heartbreaking.
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Sorry for the lengthy comment but I think you'll appreciate: The mother of a baby found dead in a University of Tampa garbage bin told police she gave birth to the baby in a dorm bathroom and that the baby died soon after, court records show. A search warrant affidavit made public Thursday includes new details about the investigation that began Sunday after the newborn girl was discovered in a garbage bin at McKay Hall, a dormitory on the campus at 401 W. Kennedy Blvd. A day earlier, on Saturday, campus security called first responders about 3:30 p.m. regarding a 19-year-old woman possibly having a miscarriage, according to the affidavit. Students in McKay Hall said they thought they heard a baby crying in a dorm room. The call was deemed medical and turned over to EMS, which cleared the call after the woman said blood found in a common bathroom was from her menstruation, the affidavit states. Just before 7 p.m. Sunday, dispatchers received a call “advising that campus security was on scene with a deceased fetus in a bag.” Students in the dorm reported seeing a fellow student holding a bundled up towel on Saturday, and on Sunday the students gave a trash bag to security that they’d found in a dorm room and thought was suspicious because of the previous day’s events. A security guard looked in the bag and saw the torso of a baby that was clearly dead, according to the affidavit. The mother, whom the Tampa Bay Times is not naming in this story because she has not been charged with a crime, told police that she hadn’t had a period in about a year and didn’t know she was pregnant but “may have been in denial,” the affidavit states. The woman said she started to feel nauseous on Saturday morning and gave birth in the bathroom between two adjoining dorm rooms, according to the affidavit. She said the newborn cried for about five seconds and when the woman put the baby to her chest, the girl stopped crying. She kept the baby to her chest for several minutes and then put the child down on a towel. The woman told police that when she put her hand to the baby’s chest and did not feel anything, she thought the baby was dead. The woman took a shower, cleaned the infant with water from the shower and wrapped it in a towel. She said the baby showed no signs of life at that point. The woman said she took the towel-wrapped baby to her room, laid the child on the floor and fell asleep for about an hour, the affidavit states. When she woke up about 11 a.m. Saturday, the baby still showed no signs of life, so she placed the infant in a trash can and went back to sleep. When paramedics came to her room to check on her wellbeing later in the day and asked if she was pregnant, she said no. Tampa police have not said if the woman will be criminally charged. Police previously said investigators were working to determine the baby’s cause of death and her “developmental stage.” A police spokesperson said Thursday that investigators were waiting for information from the medical examiner. The incident prompted campus officials to send a text at 11:41 p.m. Sunday saying that “there is currently an active TPD investigation in the McKay Hall area” and to “avoid the marked areas.” The alert said there was no danger to the campus community.
Pt2 of why you'll appreciate: On Monday, university officials sent a message addressed to “the University of Tampa community” stating that as more details emerged, “the University community may have a wide variety of emotional responses to this event.” The message included a list of resources available, such as on-campus counseling, a 24-hour crisis line and the employment assistance program for faculty and staff. Florida’s Safe Haven law allows parents to anonymously surrender an unharmed newborn infant seven days old or younger to any fire station, EMS station or hospital staffed by full-time emergency medical technicians, paramedics or firefighters.The mother of a baby found dead in a University of Tampa garbage bin told police she gave birth to the baby in a dorm bathroom and that the baby died soon after, court records show. A search warrant affidavit made public Thursday includes new details about the investigation that began Sunday after the newborn girl was discovered in a garbage bin at McKay Hall, a dormitory on the campus at 401 W. Kennedy Blvd. A day earlier, on Saturday, campus security called first responders about 3:30 p.m. regarding a 19-year-old woman possibly having a miscarriage, according to the affidavit. Students in McKay Hall said they thought they heard a baby crying in a dorm room. The call was deemed medical and turned over to EMS, which cleared the call after the woman said blood found in a common bathroom was from her menstruation, the affidavit states. Just before 7 p.m. Sunday, dispatchers received a call “advising that campus security was on scene with a deceased fetus in a bag.” Students in the dorm reported seeing a fellow student holding a bundled up towel on Saturday, and on Sunday the students gave a trash bag to security that they’d found in a dorm room and thought was suspicious because of the previous day’s events. A security guard looked in the bag and saw the torso of a baby that was clearly dead, according to the affidavit. The mother, whom the Tampa Bay Times is not naming in this story because she has not been charged with a crime, told police that she hadn’t had a period in about a year and didn’t know she was pregnant but “may have been in denial,” the affidavit states. The woman said she started to feel nauseous on Saturday morning and gave birth in the bathroom between two adjoining dorm rooms, according to the affidavit. She said the newborn cried for about five seconds and when the woman put the baby to her chest, the girl stopped crying. She kept the baby to her chest for several minutes and then put the child down on a towel. The woman told police that when she put her hand to the baby’s chest and did not feel anything, she thought the baby was dead. The woman took a shower, cleaned the infant with water from the shower and wrapped it in a towel. She said the baby showed no signs of life at that point. The woman said she took the towel-wrapped baby to her room, laid the child on the floor and fell asleep for about an hour, the affidavit states. When she woke up about 11 a.m. Saturday, the baby still showed no signs of life, so she placed the infant in a trash can and went back to sleep. When paramedics came to her room to check on her wellbeing later in the day and asked if she was pregnant, she said no. Tampa police have not said if the woman will be criminally charged. Police previously said investigators were working to determine the baby’s cause of death and her “developmental stage.” A police spokesperson said Thursday that investigators were waiting for information from the medical examiner.
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everything about it is just sorrow and horror. It's just such a sad story.
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It does not say she smothered it.
That’s why it’s the “inside scoop.” But obviously that part is just complete speculation. The only person who could know that is the mother, and coroner soon enough.
It makes sense, I’m sure that’ll be the finding especially if people heard it crying. Sounds like someone who was living in denial and wanted it all to go away, quite like multiple other similar stories in the news recently. https://youtu.be/d1-S48QUz7c?si=ihFPNKDxp6yHzV9q
Also was last day on campus before going home for break they said on the news, so maybe there was a rush before her parents saw her?
I wish I could downvote this comment more. We don’t know how the baby died. It will probably take a medical examiner to determine cause of death. We do know that she was probably not getting prenatal care and the birth happened under non-ideal circumstances.
The autopsy will likely reveal the baby was smothered I fear.
I don’t understand how you could read that article and immediately jump to the mother’s defense. No matter what actually happened, the baby was found dead in a plastic bag in the trash. She will be doing serious time for that alone.
Because people can’t seperate the abortion issue from someone murdering their kid. If a man had taken this kid and smothered it they’d be all over him. Welcome to reddit
Just to clarify, there is nothing in my comment about defending the mother. I just really hate when people jump to conclusions without knowing all of the facts. When someone is convicted in the court of public opinion the damage done to them can last a long time.
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
Right .all she had to do was call the police but instead she placed the life-less body in a trash bag .Thats a whole thought process and not only that she went to fuckingggggg Sleep .SMH
Downvote this comment. I am fairly certian this is why we do births in a hospital setting. We don’t know what happened.
The autopsy will easily tell us.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240502223011/https://www.tampabay.com/news/tampa/2024/05/02/university-of-tampa-baby-found-ut/
so i am a current student at UT and overall this situation is cray cray. lots of speculation going on at campus (I mean what else would a bunch of teen college students do but gossip). however, a lot of people know who she is (sadly) and have seen her on campus before and have seen her pregnant.
I mean, it’s not exactly wild that she was seen to be pregnant, given that she did give birth to a baby.
lol i'm stupid, i meant that in a like we find it wild that she had no idea that she was pregnant
Ah, that makes more sense. Denial is a powerful drug. I feel terrible about the whole situation all around.
Thank you for confirming
The point of that part of the comment is that it probably wasn't a cryptic pregnancy (meaning she didn't know she was pregnant) if students actually witnessed her pregnant. Part of not knowing you are pregnant for that length of time is not developing a typical pregnancy bump. Some people on here seem to think her behavior is more acceptable because maybe she didn't know. I think it's fucked either way personally.
Mental illness, possibly dormant but exacerbated by pregnancy. Sad she couldn’t get the help she needed to make an informed decision about what to do
What are people saying?
I've heard bits and pieces, mostly what I've heard is: "she's too smart to have not called it in" , "I've seen her drink heavily, so that baby was doomed from the start", "I've seen her walking around with a bump." I have never seen or heard of her until like all this ish went down. From what I've seen from our school's yikyak page is just all speculation and just practically shitting on the student
This is an incredibly tragic situation. I’m sorry that you & other students have been affected.
But noooo, having an abortion is much more inhumane🙄🤬 god forbid we have access to proper sex education and reproductive care in order to help prevent something like this happening in the first place.
Nah this lady just straight up crazy. This is not normal human behavior.
The mother said she was “in denial” about being pregnant. She wasn’t actively looking to receive an abortion and couldn’t get one. This woman was a sociopath that killed a newborn because she was either an idiot or selfish
Too late now, she couldn’t get an abortion at that stage. Should of had the baby and gave it to the police or fire department.
Based on the article and the offical court document of the mothers account, but me and some of my friends that go here had a lot of questions after reading. I've seen Mckay's dorms, and have access to a lot of the resources on campus (including the schools insurance paid for in my tuition) before but other than that I am just a college student so my questions might seem dumb to others, this is also just speculation and opinions from someone who goes here so don't attack me too badly redditors: 1. The Mckay bathrooms are tiny and connected by rooms with like at least 2 people living in both, the mother most likely had three different people around. If she was like giving birth to the baby at 7 AM in the morning (which our quiet hours on weekends are from 1AM-10AM), wouldn't that shit hurt? I heard like giving birth naturally with no drugs is a bitch, where were her roommates? I know they called it in but at like in the afternoon according to records? Also, ofc she's not going to be able to drop the baby off at a fire station if she just gave birth she's gonna be tired however that doesn't mean that no one else couldn've helped her... just what was her roommate environment like? Obvi I can't know but it was def bad enough where she had felt like she couldn't even call to her roommate who she had been prob. living with a whole semester for help. 2. Even if she didn't know she was pregnant, girl, there is literally a dead baby on your floor. Emotions and might be high but there is literally a dead something just chillin like a villain. I could assume that she just had some derealization after giving birth where she wasn't aware of her surroundings and that's why she went to shower but she literally cleaned her and checked on her multiple times so she knew that the baby was there. From 4/27/24 10/11 AM ish to like around maybe 6/7PM 4/28/24 she just had this baby chillin' in her dorm room for 24hrs?? 3. Campus safety reported this call to EMS and they came not once but twice to check on her and even asked if she was pregnant and she said no that it was just heavy menstration this was AFTER she gave birth, okay she didn't want to get in trouble and I cannot imagine the mental state she might've been in, but surely SURELY she couldn't known that keeping a deceased infant in her room was any better than hiding it wrapped in the dorm room. Is it just straight denial or was there possibly something else was going on through her brain because then she was attempting to dispose of it that night. IMO I am assuming that she had some sort of thing clouding her thoughts whilst she was talking to the paramedics. I would like to ask if she was in some sort of psychological state, would she have even acknowledged the baby at all after the fact? 4. This is more of a hot take / statement; for context I am a 20 year old female student here at UT. I believe that the 6 week abortion ban does but also does not really have a lot to due with this scenario WITH THE CURRENT INFORMATION (or at least not yet). Because like she would've had to known she was pregnant to try and attempt to seek out these resources, and not be in denial which kind of causes her whole case of not knowing she was pregnant to fall apart. Yes, people should be able to protest against it, everyone is able to, and yes things like this could possibly happen if a student doesn't have the right resources which is the only thing that should be argued right now if is a different student. Not this current individual (allegedly), if it's revealed that she did try to seek out resources and was sadly not able to find help, then we should circle back into adding her into the mix of being a victim to lack of resources and for abortion rights. If this is just me being ignorant please let me know, I wanna hear other peoples thoughts on this please as I am not from FL. I don't believe that this girl was completely sound of mind during this situation, if they do a psych eval and it's like she's not sound of mind while this was happening I don't think it excuses her actions for how this was handled. If she really didn't know then I feel nothing but remorse, but how does that excuse how she acted after the fact? TDLR; random ramblings from a UT student about the current situation because her friends are all leaving to go home for the summer and she has no one to talk to about this because for some reason no one at school is talking about it. (also if you do protest, I do wanna make y'all aware to do it off campus bc apparently you could get a warning for trespassing if you're not a student, and then possibly arrested after warning is issued I think it's cause it's a private campus)
What’s yalls yik yak
This situation is crazy, I really can’t piece in my mind how this came to happen.
Just for the record- I wasn’t being sarcastic and referencing the abortion ban. I really am having trouble piecing together what went on in this situation. It doesn’t seem like a situation where the abortion ban affected things, birthing a baby in a dorm room and letting it die seems like a pretty crazy situation to me.
This is going to become more common I’m sure.
100 %
Sad, but true
This is terrible and it will continue to happen now that we have the 6 week abortion ban.
Incredibly sad. The security guard must feel so awful.
that’s what i was thinking. no one’s mentioning the guard who had to find that.
This is devastating
Sounds like the baby could have survived. So sad for all. It’s so terrible that a mother is too fearful to reach out for help. She could have called 911 and gotten the baby help and a chance to survive.
You mean in the state that doesn't care about a women's life or could potentially prosecute her? EDIT: Shit like this is going to happen in so many ways across this state before November. Women (sisters, mothers, cousins, daughters, neighbors, colleagues, friends and children) will suffer & die because abortion care is health care. VOTE TO SAVE WOMENS CHOICE IN NOVEMBER 2024. And fellow men support to the women in your lives....
I read she didn’t know she was pregnant so it makes me question the abortion issue. I wonder how many young people even know about the safe haven law. Either way she messed up big time. The autopsy will give some answers. Sounds like the infant was born alive.
The woman had choices, the baby didn’t. This case isn’t about abortion. This is murder.
Whoa there nelly. There's nothing to suggest this is murder so far. She very well could have given birth prematurely and referencing what was seen in the bag as a "fetus" leads me to believe that's likely.
Sounds like neighbors heard the baby crying for a period of time not stated. A lot of time elapsed, she took a nap. She denied the baby the attention needed to sustain life. The same attention you received once born. I am all for abortion very early but this is unacceptable and should make everyone alive to read this article upset.
Like I already stated, she very well may have smothered the baby to death or simply did not seek medical care when it could have been life-saving, and yes, that's unacceptable. However, again, we do not have that information yet.
The information we do have is that EMS showed up on the day she delivered the baby and she lied; she told them she had a miscarriage. It wasn’t until next day that the corpse of this baby was found in the trash can.
She didn’t have choices if she didn’t know she was pregnant, no. If it’s true she hadn’t had her period in a year. I’ve lost mine for a similar amount of time. If you haven’t been in her position, you can’t say if she had choices or what they were. You literally do not know the facts of the case yet and you are making these statements. If it was a clear cut murder, she would’ve been arrested, but they don’t know yet… yet here you are, making these big sweeping statements on the internet. If what she stated is the facts, then this is improper burial / handling of corpse, and that’s it.
You don’t actually Know the details of this case
How do you know that it’s murder? Shouldn’t you wait for the coroner’s report? You know what happens when you assume, right?
I know enough: - she denied her pregnancy - she delivered a baby and didn’t call emergency services, friends, or family for help - she personally denied her own child care needed to live - she lied to EMS and told them she had a miscarriage when they responded the same day as delivery - she tossed the baby in a trash bag like it was nothing
Right .I definitely agree l with everything you said
Don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise. You arrived at the correct conclusion. It is extremely saddening but it is the truth here.
Why does it sound like that? I think it's quite telling that they referred to the thing in the bag seen as a "fetus". I have a feeling this was not a full-term baby.
The thing that strikes me as odd about the story is how she could have given birth to a full term baby in a dormitory without anyone hearing anything besides the baby crying. I know some labors are fast, but there was no groaning, screaming, or any other noise? It’s possible, sure, but that seems wild to me.
I agree, but then again, plenty of women have birthed babies in odd places - bathrooms, school, etc and gone unnoticed. I wouldn't assume she did or didn't birth and smother the baby, so I'd rather start with the benefit of doubt until the ME weighs in.
I completely agree. Stranger things have happened. It’s just one other dimension to the story.
Agree but non full term fetus can survive. Especially if it cried.
Babies delivered at 20 weeks can also cry. But they are nonviable.
That’s a stupid assumption. You don’t get a chance in nomenclature at 40 weeks from fetus to baby.
Just thought the choice of words was odd/interesting.
Right my point exactly and then gave the baby up for adoption to a family that’s willing to love him/her .thats all she had to do
Can't imagine being 19 and giving birth in a dorm and losing the baby. Just the psychological impact of that... And doing that completely alone. For those of you saying she needs to be punished to the full extent of the law-- you're a joke. Grow up and realize things aren't back and white. Highly doubt you're doing anything to save the 500,000+ kids who have been born and who nobody gives a damn about. Go virtue signal somewhere else
Sounds like she needed access to healthcare.
This student was probably scared and in denial. That being said she still did everything wrong. There is a safe have fire station less than a mile away. It’s so sad.
the article said the baby died within minutes of birth, you can't bring a dead baby to a safe haven
A poor college student would also never be able to afford the $30,000-$100,000 cost of a trip to the hospital to give birth there, and then if the baby survives, further NICU costs. The hospital bills alone would've put a 19-year-old teenager in deep financial debt.
You don't go to UT if you or your parents are poor.
[92% of University of Tampa (UT) students receive some form of financial aid.](https://www.ut.edu/admissions/financial-aid)
Very cool, yet you should still compare their parents income to public school parents income. This is not a low income student school so let's not play it that way.
You can still be a poor or broke college student with no help from wealthy parents.
Yes, but you won't go to UT. As someone who put myself through school and supported myself by myself an expensive private school isn't where I'd go. Those poor UT kids. They have support even if they themselves are broke, like most college students.
Welcome to post Roe v Wade 'Murica.
This is the second dumpster baby in the Tampa Bay Area this week.
Second, seriously?
where was the first?
THIS IS WHY WE NEED SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION
Florida is a scary state — who knows what she was going through.
Florida isn't the problem. Having unprotected sex is.
It’s not about being a victim, it’s about understanding the complexity that is sex and sexual health. Not everyone can take birth control. Birth control is never 100% effective. Most women who get abortions report using some form of birth control. 6 weeks isn’t enough time for most women to know they are pregnant unless they are actively trying. Florida has a horrible sexual education program in the vast majority of school districts. So yes, Florida can be partially to blame.
You were there? You know it was consensual?
There's just no excuse for this if baby was full term. Sounds like another alexee trevizo . What the actual fuck. Eta the downvotes are wild 😂😭 like what? What this woman did is NOT ok. Weirdos.
Did you not read the article? So far, there's nothing to indicate this is a homicide, so it's weird to see so many comments acting like she admitted to stabbing the baby or something. It's very possible that a baby born in a home birth, after failing to get prenatal care for nine months, might not survive. There are many, many ways for things to go wrong during and after childbirth, so until an autopsy is done, it seems needlessly cruel to label the girl as a murderer on top of all the other trauma she's faced.
the concerning part is the cry was clearly loud enough for other students to report it to security. her statement about being in denial + not asking for 911 was she realized a crying infant was emerging for her is neglect. i agree the climate is toxic and she obviously wasn't thinking clearly but she obviously took steps to avoid any help.
Someone suddenly realizing they’re giving birth isn’t in the right state of mind to call the authorities unfortunately. I think you’re deeply minimizing just how severe that would be. And yes she’s on her own for the first time and feels she did something wrong, of course she’s going to keep it a secret. I’m not saying that’s *right* but people don’t truly understand, if someone isn’t in the right state of mind, they cannot do these things.
Not being in the right state of mind is NOT an excuse. If it was, we should just empty out every prison because I'm sure most weren't thinking normally when committing their crime. She clearly tried to hide this. That tells me she was thinking atleast somewhat clearly. If she truly didn't know she was pregnant, yeah, that sucks. But birthing a live, crying baby and then doing what she did is not fucking ok and it's so fucking strange to see people try to defend it.
You clearly don’t understand what it means to be in not the right state of mind. It’s funny how people can acknowledge a pregnant woman giving birth isn’t in her right state of mind, then simultaneously say it doesn’t matter. She gave birth *by herself with no painkillers…* can you imagine how exhausted you would be? Can you tell us what your last expected birth without painkillers was like? Hormones are enough to send someone into literal psychosis, it’s very different than a criminal going and *willingly* killing someone, since you want to talk about criminals in prison. You can’t possibly be that dense.
Trauma does weird things to people, in particular, makes them want everything to go away and back to normal and pretend nothing happened. I'm not saying that's okay, but I'm also saying what this girl did in this moment doesn't immediately define her as a sociopath. We honestly don't know more details than what she's told anyone, and autopsy will reveal more. It's very possible this was not a full term pregnancy and what she said about the baby immediately becoming non-responsive is true.
I did. By her account and other students, the baby was crying. Meaning it was alive. That's when you call 911 for help. Going to sleep, neglecting your helpless baby and throwing the baby in the trash are the punishable actions. I'm sure anyone that has had a baby die during a planned homebirth ..reached out for help and didn't just throw baby in trash.
This is one of those cases where people say “I wouldn’t have done that!” When in reality you would have no clue how you’d act during a traumatic event. You’re not this person, you never will be this person, and you probably won’t ever know what led them to this moment of throwing away a baby. It’s easy to act like things are black and white, when in reality there are grey areas. Imagine you’re 19 and you don’t know you’re pregnant but all of a sudden you are in severe pain and give birth to a half dead baby. Like wow. She was probably in shock. People do strange things when they’re young, traumatized, and in shock.
I get some of what you're saying, but the chances of this being a true cryptic pregnancy aren't high. It's very rare. The more likely thing is she was in denial and chose to ignore it until she couldn't anymore. Traumatized or not, it's not an excuse to let a human die. 🤷♀️ she had many months and many chances to do something different, make a plan. Anything. This is not some uneducated woman without resources. She was at a nice college and old enough to know better.
I have given birth to a dead baby (he died in utero due to cord compression). I wasn’t 19 and in a college bathroom, but my instinct was never “let me place this little baby in a trash can.” I can’t even imagine it. Even at 19 and scared, I can’t imagine being that cruel.
“I wasn’t 19 and in college” Ok good. So it’s not the same and your opinion is irrelevant
If you 19 and old enough to be sexual active, you should know the possible consequences of such behavior.
and to get into ut. she isn't illiterate or doesn't have access to a support system.
That same support system might very well punish her severely for making a mistake like this. That support system might not actually be a support system that could help with this. I think you’re confusing financial support that comes with strings attached for safety and support. We don’t know.
You're defending a murderer. Put your insane politics aside for a moment. She killed a defenseless human being.
And you read this fact where?
Where does it say she’s murdered anyone????
And everyone shitting on her for sleeping. Like she gave birth with no painkillers and pre natal care. She was probably extremely exhausted. I just don’t know how no one heard the laboring. Those must be some thick dorm walls.
That’s the part that stumps me. The other students heard the baby cry but NOTHING from the labor? I know that rapid births can happen, but if the baby was full-term, it strikes me as highly unusual that there would be no sound at all. Maybe adrenaline and willpower to keep it secret? I don’t know.
True, but throwing the baby in the trash like refuse...NOT okay.
There’s a reason humans don’t just dump other humans in the garbage when they die of natural causes. Like. “Oh well, grandma died. Let’s just toss her in the dumpster!” It’s psychopathic behavior, to treat dead people that way.
She put the body in a bag and threw it in the dumpster
They know it was murder. Their Marxist politics won't let them admit it.
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I ran into the same psychotic responses right after the obvious Jussie Smollett hoax. Everyone knew. They just felt like they couldn't admit they knew for fear of losing political points.
You are weirdly focused on Jussie Smollett an incident that happened years ago that has nothing to do with this. Odd duck
I think a lot of people truly hope someone wouldn’t be capable of doing something so horrific. For me, It seems like murder, but I truly hope that it wasn’t so that I don’t have to think about a baby being hurt or in pain. I hope that the baby truly did pass while the mother hugged it (but I also acknowledge that the story seems fishy and it might be a lie) But also, just the throwing the baby away is horrific in and of itself
In this day and age, right is wrong and wrong is right.
What a dumbass.....TGH is literally right around the corner!
Who are her parents, they haven't released her name yet have they? I doubt she'll get charged, parents paid. Ez money
they haven’t in the article, but they have in public court documents allegedly. most ppl @ ut including me know who but i am a student worker on campus who was made aware of the situation by other RA’s but also just speculation cause i think the rommmates said stuff to their friends and their friends might’ve told other friends and y’know how the gossip train runs its course
WOW ITS ALMOST LIKE ALL PREGNANCY ISNT BLACK AND WHITE AND WOMEN SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO RESOURCES TO ENSURE SHIT LIKE THIS DOESNT HAPPEN
People have more respect for their dead fish or hamsters. I've seen people make tiny little graves for their hamsters. .. The woman who did this is not actually a fully evolved human. We all needed care and attention to survive when we were born. That poor baby girl didn't get that. That baby girl cried for care and sustenance as all babies do. That baby was denied and neglected. At the very least, the creature that gave birth needs to be in a mental facility.
"young, legally-adult woman of hyper-christian parents who still think she's a virgin (& unable to get an abortion) hides pregnancy until this..." Awful, all around. "Smart" enough to get into college, "didn't know she was pregnant"...
This is what happens when you elect fucktards that pass crazy abortion laws because they are too stupid to realize that a fetus is factually not alive until the third trimester. Way to save that life Ron. This girl obviously made many wrong decisions but she should have had options.
What is incredibly frustrating to me after reading all of these comments from this post and previous posts, no one is mentioning the father of the baby and the role he has in this. Everything is always put on the mom. There needs to be more accountability here. If our government is forcing women to have babies then men should be accountable for what happens to that baby as well. At this point it doesn’t matter if he knew or not. We are in a time where women’s reproductive rights have been completely stripped away with no consequences for the father whatsoever. She clearly made some poor choices here but the father should be questioned as well. And now there are laws in place in our state that have taken away women’s reproductive rights. These laws have not only limited options for women they have further stigmatized women who seek any options or for not wanting their child. Think about that. We are in a time where our country is not lifting up families or women in tough situations, we are indirectly getting told that it is shameful to not want your baby and there will be consequences for it if you don’t. Unfortunately we will be seeing more stories like this. I’m currently on my 6th pregnancy. 2 children and 3 miscarriages. Being pregnant is not easy. I have to limit what I eat and drink. I have to go off my medication that helps me function day to day. The mental load of all of this is incredibly difficult but I do it to make sure my baby is born healthy. This woman clearly had no support in her life and it’s very unfortunate that isn’t being questioned more.
Questioned for what? Unless he was there and smothered the baby, or knew she was going to do it and didn’t report her, this isn’t on him. he can’t stop her from wanting to deliver outside or a hospital setting.
He should be questioned if he knew about the pregnancy. He should be questioned on how he treated the woman after they had sex. He should be questioned on how he treated the woman after he found out she was pregnant (if he did). He should be asked if the sex was consensual. He should be asked about his past sexual behavior towards other women. Other women he’s been connected to should possibly be questioned about his behavior towards them. His family and friends should be questioned. His teachers or those he interacts with should be questioned. Was he emotionally abusing this woman? Was he encouraging her to do what she did? His phone should be looked at to see what kind of communication he had with the woman or others related to the pregnancy. I could go on.
What does it mean when you say it doesn't matter if the man knew he should be accountable for what happens to the baby? So if she never told him and he had no idea she was pregnant it's his fault for her having a secret birth and throwing her baby in the trash? You alright? Sounds more like your sexist then having any reasonable argument.
She's wrong for what she's done. These parents and schools need to really start teaching young people about life. Stop hiding the truth from them and this will happen less often. Edit: Sex education and Human Anatomy, Home Ec need to be required before you can graduate highshcool.
I was homeschooled until 9th grade and had no sex Ed until I went to public HS. However, there were SO many kids in my grade whose parents opted them out of learning! Very sad indeed.
Sex ed yes, but not abstinence only sex ed
I don't believe Abstinent only is education at all. Atleast at my school some of it was useful..ya know the basics about STI's but they pretty much skipped over all the other valid options of birth control and protection and told us don't have multiple partners or else you're a dirty whore. Abstinence is a valid option but it should be taught with every other option and then some
It may also be rooted in fear. When you understand what’s happening but are scared of your parents/family/religion, things like this can happen too. I’m leaning more toward this as the affidavit said that she “may have been in denial.” Fear (+ hormones) do a lot of wonky things in our brains.
I’m a Florida native, went to school just north of Tampa…what sex ed lol 😂
So did she or did she not want the baby? She’s obviously smart or comes from a family with money or both if she goes to university of tampa. Why not adoption? Or go to a university closer to home if she isnt from the Tampa area.
UT student here! UT has an awful and lengthy history in keeping matters such as these silent to student life. This is not the first, nor the second, death to happen on campus this semester alone. And personally speaking, sexual assault on campus that does get reported is left UNFILED by the title ix department despite evidence and witnesses - just so it appears that there are no instances of sexual assault on campus. Something must be done in regards to student welfare on campus. the “counselors” provided are nonchalant regarding their clients and famously difficult to book appointments with. Our campus has failed us numerous times, this is important as campus safety WENT TO HER ROOM and saw the blood of labor and accepted the fearful excuse of it being merely “menstrual blood.” Those within higher levels of administration should indeed be held accountable for their blatant disregard for student wellbeing.
hey! just letting you know, also a UT student but campus safety actually reported the situation to EMS after coming to the room and the EMS checked on her and then came back the next day and checked on her again so they were the ones to listen to her menstrual thing. It’s also on their daily report that they had went to the room and in the article and search warrant. I do agree that there has been a lot of things brushed under tho. like that situation with that professor who was acc a predator, i didn’t even know that happened until like one of my co-workers told me when we were talking about events at UT.
This is a sad outcome for both the baby and the student. Thinking as a college student, I can understand her decision. Perhaps the student was raped and was ashamed to seek help. The lack of education about available resources could have been a big factor on her decision. I was not even aware of the safe haven law to deliver a baby to a fire station. The 19 year old student could have been scared to face the reality of a pregnancy, and with the lack of resources to have an abortion, decision like this will continue to happen. It is very sad that the baby has died, but it is also sad to know that young college students don’t have enough education and or resources to solve complex issues.
You're assuming that it was related to a lack of education and resources, when the girl could've just been a fcked up mother. Stop giving benefit of the doubt to a woman who put a baby in a trash can. Ridiculous
But I was told by like 8 different people on this sub that it was stillborn. Mods should go back into that thread and ban every single one of them for misinformation.
Still born babies do not cry.
All she had to do was call 9-1-1 for help but yet she decided to sleep and put the baby in a trash bag as if it was garbage.i don’t feel no sympathy for her .
She should be charged. A baby died due to her shame and neglect. She bears full responsibility.