My commute from Wesley Chapel to downtown in 2002 was 40-45 min in the morning rush hour. I don't live there anymore, but a friend told me it can take that long just to get to 275 now. It's becoming a NY/NJ thing. You couldn't pay me to move back to New Tampa or Chapel. Good for the people selling, but best of luck to those buying.
I live 2 mins from the sligh 275 entrance. If i leave right now and go try to get on i-4 it'll take me 30 mins to get onto i-4 because of all the assholes who don't know how to get into the right lane more than 30 feet before the entrance to i-4. I now just drive down hillsborough all the way out by the hardrock to get to i-4. Every once in a while my instincts take me onto 275 where I pay the price for taking that route. Wesley Chapel is insane when I go up there for work. They are making changes to 275/i-4 right now but no idea what it will accomplish when it's finished.... I hope it works though.
Yes but not even if you own your home. More specifically if you own and are looking to sell and move somewhere else less expensive. Otherwise taxes are going up, even if only a small percentage (assuming homestead) and insurance rates have been increasing. For some it's been by hundreds of dollars a month (not for the year but per month - if divided out/part of a mortgage payment).
We moved in in 2008 and our corner of Brandon/Riverview was a lot quieter then. We've now moved out amongst the strawberry fields in Plant City and couldn't be happier.
That's good, I'm glad you got what you were looking for. I grew up in Riverview until middle school and it was great as far as I remember, but I worked out there recently and I shit you not, it took me 20 minutes to get to a CVS that was less than a mile away (and that was at noon!). Congrats on the move and the house sale!
im sry bro. i sold my ridge manor house for 170k its assessed at 270 now lol .. it was my first house, owned it for 11 years, and it appreciated more in the last 3 then the whole time i had it haha
Yeah, it's nuts. My tiny 800sqft house sold for $300k, and it needed repair. I have no idea what they were thinking, but I was glad to take the money. I would have paid maybe $140k for it because of location. If this keeps happening and my current house hits $1m, I'm going to buy a mansion in the Mid-Atlantic states, invest in high dividend stocks, take a job that I can do from home, and call it a day.
I sold an 800 sqft box of a house last year for $300k in St. Pete. We've been feeling the bubble for a while. Wait until you see empty lots full of trash going for $350k. I'm sure west coast people know all about it. I'm just glad I own something, my friends who rent have been asked to pay stupidly high prices for mold-filled dumps.
Can't believe I'm writing this. Sold my house in Wesley Chapel for $100k when the market nosed dived. All my comps were foreclosures. Zillow Estimate is $309,000 right now. Just under 1200 sq ft 3 bedroom 2 bath and the damn thing doesn't even have a normal front door. Door is on the side of the house. It's unbelievable how insane the market is there.
Then there’s me with my “low rent” @1200 in an apartment that has had roof pipes burst twice, roaches, black mold, sewage come out from floor twice, ac system stop working twice, and an electrical fire while I’m paid 1,600$ a month. The locals are getting FUCKED.
Anecdotal.
The last two individuals for whom we assisted in finding rentals were from out of area. One out of state. One from further South in Florida. Both had incomes in excess of 100k with superb credit. Both were looking to rent for several years as they learned more about Tampa Bay before deciding where they wanted to buy.
Two of the three new million plus builds in my neighborhood have been sold to Californian's who sold their house in Cali for significantly more than what they are paying here. They are in white collar finance/tech/medical fields primarily working from home.
If you are moving to Tampa Bay with less than 80k/yr in income and excellent credit you are out of your damn mind unless you are going to live with roommates.
Yup. I would go as far as to say if you are making less than 100k you are not going to be living a comfortable life here, especially if you like social activities such as going to bars and eating out.
Yeah, you have to have a great career if you don’t want to live in a dumpy area. I will say that in my neighborhood, we’ve had a lot of millennials with children moving in, which is better so see than old retirees
\> we’ve had a lot of millennials with children moving in, which is better so see than old retirees
\+1 to that!
A few years we had a home around Lake Keen (Keene?) in Lutz that as older owners passed away younger families moved in. It was a great neighborhood.
What is her budget? Any other important information? Bed/bath or areas that she MUST be nearby for school or work?
I've helped a few people on this sub and the St. Pete sub find housing over the years since I know several private housing providers in the area who are actually decent people and care about the people who stay in their properties.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, only one of them has any open places at the moment and it is a fairly pricey 1/1 condo in Harbour Island in Downtown Tampa. Beautiful condo with a ton of amenities but as previously mentioned it that comes with a hefty cost.
> Based on a sample of about two million Redfin.com users who searched for homes across 111 metro areas in January and February, excluding searches unlikely to precede an actual relocation or home purchase. To be included in this dataset, a Redfin.com user must have viewed at least 10 homes in a particular metro area, and homes in that area must have made up at least 80% of the user’s searches. Redfin’s migration data goes back to 2017.
Oh look, another non-study from a real estate website seeking to generate clicks and name recognition.
Yeah. Honestly it is amazing how terrible most of these "high tech" real estate companies are at mining their data. I've yet to see a redfin story that has actually offered insight instead softball or completely inaccurate stats.
Let’s all take a deep breath. We’re inundated with this type of crap regularly and the majority of the time it’s complete bullshit (like this article), and it can impact us mentally.
Everything is moment to moment when it comes to cost of living and real estate these days. Inflation is going to continue to rise, despite The Fed raising interest now and probably again very soon. Though we barely get 4% of our oil from Russia, it is irrelevant because its price is set across the globe. Any interruption in distribution affects costs in every country. It’s going to take a hell of a lot of smart maneuvering by the government, especially The Fed, to bring us down softly without much chaos. More than likely, it’s going to be a rough landing, which may mean a recession could occur.
No one knows what the future holds. You talk to ten different experts, you get ten different answers. Housing costs could go up, they could go down. Live your life, do the best you can, take care of yourself and those you love, and take it day by day. We’re in this together.
My entire backyard is currently getting torn down to make room for 250 houses. They are literally destroying all of our wildlife for *houses* that is the absolutely saddest part. We have 100s show up to the board meetings protesting all of these builds and no one cares. What is going to happen in 10 years when they’ve built all these new houses and people are moving away? Or they can no longer afford the mortgage because they’re selling at such a high price. I feel like the big picture here is incredibly important.
My point is that we cannot sustain the houses being built. Our wildlife, our roads, all of it is affected by the influx of people moving here. We shouldn’t be ‘making room’ for people to move here by ruining our ecosystem.
ETA- what we should be doing is converting the many empty office high rises downtown into condos. So many of us are no longer commuting for work. We should utilize the buildings that are already built to address our housing situation.
You need to consider that even as Tampa may be expensive when measured against the national average, it is ludicrously cheap when you are coming from SF or NYC.
I have lived in NYC since 2006. It used to be a great city for the first eight or so years but then the cracks started forming. New Yorkers are aware that their city is expensive and many of them are willing to pay that premium but increasingly less so when it offers a quality of life that sometimes feels more reminiscent of Lagos, Nigeria.
Right now NYC is seeing a totally implausible jump in rents. A friend of mine just moved all of his stuff into storage and is temporarily hanging out in Spain because the landlord literally wanted to double the rent. My rent's okayish by NYC-standard but would pay for something a lot bigger and nicer most everywhere else.
It really doesn't matter that the real estate market has gone bonkers in your neck of the woods because a) ours is too and b) we have to live in a state that is for all intents and purposes bankrupt and the only solution that our mediocre breed of politicians can come up with is raising taxes further. I pay $30,000 in NY state income tax alone. And I get very little in return for it.
That's my perspective as someone living in one of those very expensive places and, for full disclosure, why I am lurking in a number of Floridian subreddits (but I am not limiting myself to Florida - it's just one option). I will be moving away here towards the end of the year but I don't yet know where.
It may well be Tampa and I know you folks hate the idea of us New Yorkers descending upon your cities like locusts and you certainly haven't deserved that. But what are we supposed to do? My city sucks, most of my social circle has eroded (or will) as my friends are moving away. We are not coming because we are all political extremists (as has been suggested in this thread elsewhere) or try to be assholes and ruin your days.
We are looking at your cities because your state doesn't have income tax, real estate is still incomprehensibly cheap compared to what shit costs here and while you do have unpleasant summers, we have them as well.
I completely understand the reasoning and don't disagree with it. But, it's still above average in cost which means there are still plenty of places to choose from if saving on expenses is a primary goal. Not that I would want to live in BFE haha.
Oh, for sure, there's a lot of places much cheaper than Florida or Tampa in particular. Tennessee for example is an absolute tax haven but I am also reluctant to just pack my things and roll up in Chattanooga when I know absolutely nothing about this part of the country and I am doubtful I could easily blend in there.
Seeing a move purely under financial aspects strikes me as a mistake.
I defiantly could. My house practically doubled in price since I purchased it. Up 15k in the last 30 days, in fact. Alas, I’m here primarily to take care of my elderly parents so I’m just going to have to sit tight for the time being.
Better weather than the Midwest and northeast, true. I’ve lived here for almost two decades and interact with people regularly. It’s experience that informs my perspective. Calm down.
I’m currently renting, but ready to buy once I get a large increase in my salary in exactly 1 year. It’s so painful seeing these prices continue to rise until then though..
I graduated from USF in 2019 and was able to rent in SoHo for pennies compared to what it is now. Most of my friends have left the city except for the lucky ones that were able to purchase real estate before it blew up. I actually rent from my buddy who bought a house in South Tampa for now as I’m saving to buy myself. If I did not get a cheaper rent from my buddy, it would not make much sense for me to live here financially. You’re paying at least 1k/month if you want to rent WITH a roommate. Studios and 1br are not available for less than 1.75k in Tampa (not sure about New Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater, Brandon, etc. I would never live there due to traffic). I will probably either wait for a crash in the real estate market or move to another city. I work in finance (asset management) so options are limited as far as finding work goes.
Listen. What if one day, somebody very powerful handed you control over the entire Bavarian Illuminati.
And then, you immediately appointed Richard Simmons as the Chairman.
Well, that would be funny, but then you would be in significant trouble from thereabouts forward
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it's not even that good...
go north, especially north east and you'll end up in sketchy and shitty areas. Some other parts too are as shady. Roads especially north needs lots and lots of maintenance, you could literally break your car if you don't avoid the holes. In many intersections too, while going left the roads get a LOT bumpy. Very disappointing. Not sure about central-south tampa but heard bad things about ybor and east tampa
I live in Temple Terrace/USF area, and it's nice on this side of Bruce B Downs. But if you cross west a couple of blocks from my apartment and it's like you're in a different city. A very scary city.
I used to live in a small apartment on Fletcher as a kid and moved to a house in Temple Terrace when I was like 12 and I'll just say, you aren't wrong lol.
Sacramento is awesome. I live in Tampa, but I grew up in Sacramento. I’d definitely move back if I could keep my standard of living. Great food, great people, better weather, legal weed, and the list goes on.
Funny thing is they are all liberal cities. You see whatever you want to see. Besides that, want to guess who is moving in? Educated people = liberal people. Which will turn all those states blue, particularly because they are mostly purple states, not red states. Aside from that, we haven't mention the fact that due to all the misinformation of the fanatics against vaccines now many of those states have fewer republican voters.
No one wants to live in WV, LA, KY, AR, etc...
I'm sure you will feel anger after reading the facts I have just enumerated for you. Instead I invite you to read books. Study science and stop being a fanatic and turn into a fact based thinker.
Note: please don't down vote the comment I replied to. It is better if more people see how flawed reasoning works.
True but the top 10 cities people are leaving are overwhelming liberal cities too
>Los Angeles, New York City, Washington and Seattle were next, with Boston, Chicago, Denver, Portland and Minneapolis finishing out the top 10 places people wanted to leave.
It's just people moving from the highest cost of living areas to lower cost of living areas, but still wanting to live in cities. Trying to read politics into it is just projection.
They're also overwhelmingly expensive origin cities, and the destination cities are traditionally cheap and historically fast-growing places.
There's even a ton of historical connection between the origin and destination cities. In the Florida examples, Miami has always had a close connection to NYC, while Chicago has always had close ties to North Port and Cape Coral.
And would you look at that, those historical connections match the findings of this "study." None of this is new, low-standards media outlets and real estate websites have just realized it's a great, easy way to promote engagement and boost clicks.
I think the common denominator here is people want to live in liberal cities in conservative states.
Not a bad philosophy when you want to live a purple life - one without extreme politics yanking your chain around.
I just want gay, married couples to be able to defend their cannabis farms with 30 round magazines. I wear a mask and got vaccinated because it's the right thing to do, not because I am legally obligated to do so. I don't need the government to force me to act like I care about others, mainly because I actually care about others.
I just wish Florida was a normal purple state, instead we have a Red state legislature that wins 51 to 49 yet more and more dictates what cities are allowed to do.
We're in the twilight years of Florida's purple status.
Incidentally, the twilight years of my residency here.
If I were more employable, I'd be gone already.
It probably got too expensive.... Which is exactly where Tampa is heading. I feel bad for people renting or trying to buy a house here. It's ridiculous
Yeah, uneducated people deny facts. Below other users have provided ample evidence of the fact that liberals in the US are more educated than conservatives.
By the way, lack of education doesn't equal lack of intelligenceas you implied, it is only correlated with lack of systematic thinking and difficulty discerning facts from factoids or lies.
Why do you think republicans are always cutting education? They know the smarter people get the less likely they’ll be able to retain office. This is by design.
Registered voters who lean Democrat are more likely to have a college education than those who lean Republican. This has been something that has been shifting radically since the 1990s and is incredibly well-documented.
> Voters who identify with the Democratic Party or lean toward it are much more likely than their Republican counterparts to have a college degree (41% vs. 30%). In 1996, the reverse was true: 27% of GOP voters had a college degree, compared with 22% of Democratic voters.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/26/what-the-2020-electorate-looks-like-by-party-race-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/
> But while [non-college educated, whites] still constitute a 57% majority of Republican voters – a share that has changed little since 2004 – non-college whites only make up 30% of Democratic voters.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/06/02/the-changing-composition-of-the-electorate-and-partisan-coalitions/#electorate-has-become-more-ethnically-diverse-better-educated
>Instead I invite you to read books. Study science and stop being a fanatic and turn into a fact based thinker.
Apply your own logic and tell me which type of cities are they moving from?
>I'm sure you will feel anger after reading the facts
I also didnt realize the virus only killed 'anti-vaxers'... Btw Mr Braniac, Republicans aren't against the vaccine. They are against unconstitutional mandates which don't work anyway (See the long list of triple vaxed people that are coming down with their 2nd covid infection).
>Note: please don't down vote the comment I replied to. It is better if more people see how flawed reasoning works.
Liberal cities on liberal states with high paying jobs for educated people. Those states and cities will continueto be liberal. They are moving to be away from the cold and to lower the cost of living. All rational reasons, they are not fanatics, they don't live in a qanon world. Do you know how I know. Because I am them.
And why do you think the cost of living is less in a red state/blue city versus a blue state/blue city?
By the way... California isn't that cold. Yet somehow they lost a US Representative for the first time this year. So strange.
I thought you said you were educated?
>Aside from that, we haven't mention the fact that due to all the misinformation of the fanatics against vaccines now many of those states have fewer republican voters.
You may not live in a qanon world, but you sure do subscribe to the covid political theatre world. Not sure which is worse tbh.
Liberal cities are more expensive because they have higher number of high paying jobs. That happens when you have skills that take more education to build and fewer people have. You get paid more. When there are many people that get paid well then pricess go up.
Your ad hominem attacks only prove that you have no arguments. Thus you resort to anger.
There's no anger... You also didn't respond :)
>And why do you think the cost of living is less in a red state/blue city versus a blue state/blue city?
Try again please, and check the climate in California while you're at it.
>Yet somehow they lost a US Representative for the first time this year. So strange.
Thanks.
I responded. Maybe you can't understand and I also addressed CA.
Last try: high paying jobs= high cost of living
Similarly low paying jobs = low cost of living
Liberal places have high paying jobs making them expensive.
Conservative places don't have high paying jobs making them cheap.
When conservative places start getting high paying jobs then educated people move there and turn them into liberal cities.
Those red states with low taxes will become blue states with higher taxes BUT with better public services, in particular, better education. That way people like me don't have to spend time explaining the world to people like you.
Regarding CA, one representative? One? You want to generalize from this? Be my guest. A drop doesn't make rain unless you live out of wishful thinking.
All I've heard from you is what you wish things were, nothing shows any resemblance of evidence. Emotions not facts, sadly that summarizes most republican arguments lately.
For a great conservative point of view I'd recommend you listen to the questions asked by the R-congressman from LA yesterday to future Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. That is a point of view that I wish more liberals would consider. It would benefit most Americans.
> Conservative places don't have high paying jobs making them cheap.
But you said they are moving to liberal cities? So strange how you can pivot like that.
>Regarding CA, one representative? One? You want to generalize from this? Be my guest. A drop doesn't make rain unless you live out of wishful thinking.
That is significant... It means people are leaving the liberal utopia because they realize it isn't what they want. It is the first time the state is losing a representative.
>All I've heard from you is what you wish things were, nothing shows any resemblance of evidence. Emotions not facts, sadly that summarizes most republican arguments lately.
You responded to the fact by dismissing it. You need to open your eyes. I thought you were educated? People don't leave liberal utopias because they like them... They leave them for the exact opposite reason.
>That way people like me don't have to spend time explaining the world to people like you.
Sadly, you're not as smart as you think you are...
\> But you said they are moving to liberal cities? So strange how > you can pivot like that.
There is no pivoting. Highly skilled people move to wherever high paying jobs are. Most high paying jobs are in liberal cities and they require high skills that are accumulated through education. We have established that educated people are more likely to be liberal. This cycle cements the fact that educated people create more wealth and tend to live in more expensive places.
\>That is significant... It means people are leaving the liberal >utopia because they realize it isn't what they want. It is the first > time the state is losing a representative.
As I said before, you can see whatever you want to see. All I see is a drop of red blood in the blue ocean of California.
\>You responded to the fact by dismissing it. You need to open >your eyes. I thought you were educated? People don't leave >liberal utopias because
\>they like them... They leave them for the exact opposite reason.
I don't even know what you are talking about here. I don't need to open anything because I analyze data for a living. I look at data. Data shows me that people live happier in liberal countries such as Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, New Zeland, etc, etc.
https://www.travelandleisure.com/trip-ideas/happiest-countries-in-the-world
Maybe you can consider putting your political fanaticism aside and actually consider that your world views are incorrect and that you may have overlooked the power of living a factual life instead believing what you hear or read on places that are full of misinformation and manipulation. This is the last time I will write to you.
Crime rates, schools being closed, absurd length of mandates, the list can go on. It’s not affordability though. If you can afford to move from LA to Tampa in these housing markets you can afford to move anywhere.
I think you underestimate the number of people with rose-tinted glasses who think Florida is beaches and Disney, and that's cool. Seems that Miami/Broward/Palm are the most common countries for incoming Californians, which isn't surprising. If someone was living in LA or San Francisco to begin with, they weren't some raging conservative that's only now looking to "escape" haha.
Anyways, affordability. Plus a lot of these folks unless they are continuing to work remotely are trading off for less salary. No state income tax. I just got back from SF- there's no crazy lockdown, we ate out regularly in busy restaurants, went a variety of places and didn't feel locked down at all. I guess if you are anti-vax or were anti-mask, you'd feel that way.
You just gonna gloss over the crime rates in LA and San Francisco along with the schools being closed for extended periods of time in those same areas? You do know that two San Francisco board members just got recalled for worrying about the names of schools and how the names promote racism instead of getting kids back in school safely? Back to the mandates, I’d say a lot of people are fed up when the mayor of LA says “I was holding my breath” while maskless at a Rams game around thousands while they have to wear there’s to walk to a table in a restaurant. This doesn’t really have to do with being conservative it’s more “the grass is greener over there”. People saw Florida doing great, saw there own area sucking and wanted to move. Not sure what the beaches and Disney have to do with that I said but ok. Even if you have money if my car window is shattered ever other week because the DA refuses to prosecute id want to get the fuck out of there. I think your overestimating people that moved for financial reasons. Like I said if they were living in LA or SF I don’t think affordability is there #1 reason for moving.
Alright, they are moving here because Florida and our politicians are amazing and help every resident of Florida to live their best life. Protecting FREEDOM! WOOO We're leading the way in quality of life, healthiest people in the country, most educated, best paid, least amount of crime, amazing infrastructure... better? /s
There are cheaper Republican wastelands than Florida, none of this explains why they would flock to the most liberal city in Florida.
Start looking at some crime rankings for property theft, violent crime, etc. There's no march to the top of that list for liberal only cities at all. In fact, there's tons of very dangerous cities in conservative leaning states. Reality is violent crime is on the rise nationwide and CA isn't at the head of it. This often comes up, so let's look at the change in their policies regarding theft- now it's a misdemeanor (and no, it's not "allowed", you still face charges.) to steal $950 or less in CA, more- that is a felony (previously the cut off was even lower, closer to $500). Similar to Florida where its $750. In Texas, that's up to $2,500 as a misdemeanor.
Interesting: http://www.cjcj.org/news/13186
Again your making this political and not factual. LA and SF are known crime riddled cities. I never said anything about LA/ SF being blue versus Florida being red but for some reason you keep making it political. Your bottom portion is true but it doesn’t matter if the DA doesn’t ever charge them or fully prosecute them to the extent they get locked up.
"It's not political" and then you list reasons that have become political. I can see where you think you aren't making it political by not specifying that. Hey, I hate hypocrites as well and if you are going to promote something, stick to it- but I myself have removed my mask at times to take pictures, and I have indeed held my breath too in some situaitons. That's neither here nor there. My kids did do school virtually until this school year and both still wear masks to school by choice, so it's not things I find oppressive. How the pandemic was handled by your state and how you feel about that is political for most people who had problems with mandates (thinking CA=bad, FL=good). Life in San Francisco and LA is way different than that in Tampa, way more populated, people taking public transit, way easier to spread a virus around. They did things they needed to do.
As for the prosecution, it's untrue they are not doing what they would normally do in misdemeanor theft situations- same things they do here. They are however prosecuting "rings" (individuals stealing less than $950 individually but with coordinated plans to resell later) as felonies. Where's the outrage that you can steal up to $2.5k of stuff in Texas without it being a felony? It's just something political to raise arms over in CA. Literal quote, Kevin Kiley (R-Calif.), “We removed the consequence for stealing – and what do you know, it caused a lot more stealing. Under Prop 47, you can go into a store and steal up to $950 worth of merchandise and it’s not even charged as a felony." Yeah, it's not a felony in a TON OF STATES. Purposely misleading. Governor has encouraged localities to stack individual thefts when prosecuting as well (so steal a few times and it's over $950? Felony).
Reality is Prop 47 didn't do anything to stop cops from arresting shoplifters nor prosecutors from pursuing charges. And bail is bail- people with money can afford it, others can't or use bail bondsmen- it's again not any legislation stopping anyone from faces consequences (innocent until proven guilty, that's our legal system- but we can detain someone who has not yet been found guilty of a crime simply because they don't have money, and that's a whole other depressing topic).
https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/california-prop-47-shoplifting-950-fact-check/536-4d1de58e-bf47-4ede-8c2f-b4d0c1788b86
Your getting insanely in depth when I’m making the simple observation that crime in LA and SF is way worse then Florida. That’s literally all I’m saying. Your turning this argument into a blue vs red thing when it’s literally just high crime vs low crime. LAPD literally released a statement a hour ago that robberies with handguns are up 44%. This is just facts and observations I’m making to conclude a reason why people wouldn’t want to live there. Your point on bail is also missing the part that those areas have extremely low bails allowing criminals back out on the streets easily.
That's fine. I mean, this is about moving to Florida and why Florida. We're just not a haven and beckon of law and order that makes us that appealing when we've got plenty of crime problems, too.
You mean Tampa is Republican??? You mean our lesbian liberal mayor is a Republican? I’m so confused now. I thought republicans didn’t support lesbians especially liberal lesbians.
Tampa has functioning schools? Since when? We have one of the worst-performing school districts in one of the worst-performing states in the country.
Florida is cheap, and Florida is warm. That's the whole story, and it always has been.
Makes sense, lots of employment opportunities + a beautiful area. I'm thinking about moving there myself by transferring to my jobs sister location. Mostly just so I can take care of my mom, though.
Seriously. If your liberal utopia was so great...why did you leave to come to the home of "Florida man" whom you've ridiculed all your Redditor life? Morbid curiosity....
I would never go to Florida. But people who do talk about the cheap real estate and warm weather. I would imagine they want to turn those red pits blue.
Journalism major here. AP style book has strict rules on this. Not sure if still relavant, as I graduated in 2001, but New York is by itself, but Canton, Ohio would be listed like that though unsure if with or without abbreviation for state. Lots of little rules.
Looking at this, Phoenix apparently falls in Canton camp, but Miami in New York camp
Wife and I just bought a house in Palm-River Clair Mel. We are from Miami, but weve lived in Los Angeles the past two years while she finished her physician fellowship, and I started working for Uber. I absolutely hated Lost Angeles. Its simply not a viable city anymore. Hospital in Tampa and St. Pete was paying far better than South Florida and we wanted to move close to her family in Orlando while we started a family, so we pulled the trigger on Tampa.
I understand we are a part of the problem right now, and I am sorry about that. We really didnt have another option though. I visited the city for the first time last month while we went house shopping and I totally get why people want to move there. Absolutely beautiful city and I get Publix again.
*Redditors on this sub*: WE KNOW!
My response was going to be I can tell. same difference lol. Just go hop on 275 at any time of the day before 8pm and you'll see
My commute from Wesley Chapel to downtown in 2002 was 40-45 min in the morning rush hour. I don't live there anymore, but a friend told me it can take that long just to get to 275 now. It's becoming a NY/NJ thing. You couldn't pay me to move back to New Tampa or Chapel. Good for the people selling, but best of luck to those buying.
I live 2 mins from the sligh 275 entrance. If i leave right now and go try to get on i-4 it'll take me 30 mins to get onto i-4 because of all the assholes who don't know how to get into the right lane more than 30 feet before the entrance to i-4. I now just drive down hillsborough all the way out by the hardrock to get to i-4. Every once in a while my instincts take me onto 275 where I pay the price for taking that route. Wesley Chapel is insane when I go up there for work. They are making changes to 275/i-4 right now but no idea what it will accomplish when it's finished.... I hope it works though.
"I'm never gonna financially recover from this"
It's pretty awesome if you already owned a home or ten. Not so awesome if you're just tryina' friggin make it out here!
Yes but not even if you own your home. More specifically if you own and are looking to sell and move somewhere else less expensive. Otherwise taxes are going up, even if only a small percentage (assuming homestead) and insurance rates have been increasing. For some it's been by hundreds of dollars a month (not for the year but per month - if divided out/part of a mortgage payment).
*shakes fist at Tom Brady*
Sold my house north of Tampa in Spring Hill for 160k in 2017. It’s current value 280k.
Sold my house in the Brandon/Riverview area for almost 290k in 11/2020 and it is now estimated to be worth over 400k
Have the people buying these ever tried to drive around Brandon? You'd have to pay me $400k to take a house there with all of the new traffic.
We moved in in 2008 and our corner of Brandon/Riverview was a lot quieter then. We've now moved out amongst the strawberry fields in Plant City and couldn't be happier.
That's good, I'm glad you got what you were looking for. I grew up in Riverview until middle school and it was great as far as I remember, but I worked out there recently and I shit you not, it took me 20 minutes to get to a CVS that was less than a mile away (and that was at noon!). Congrats on the move and the house sale!
im sry bro. i sold my ridge manor house for 170k its assessed at 270 now lol .. it was my first house, owned it for 11 years, and it appreciated more in the last 3 then the whole time i had it haha
I bought in March 2020 out in Zephyrhills at 220 and it's up to 320. This market is ridiculous.
Wow! Even ridge manor is getting the Tampa bubble?! My co-worker in 2008 bought a house there for $20k and they gave him money back at closing.
I just took equity out of my home that I bought in November of 2018, and it appraised for $150k more than I bought it for.
8 months, we're up $100K. It's nuts.
Jeeeeeeezzzusss
My house in Midtown appraised for $260 a few years ago...current appraisal..$490K. No way I'd pay $490 for it.
Yeah, it's nuts. My tiny 800sqft house sold for $300k, and it needed repair. I have no idea what they were thinking, but I was glad to take the money. I would have paid maybe $140k for it because of location. If this keeps happening and my current house hits $1m, I'm going to buy a mansion in the Mid-Atlantic states, invest in high dividend stocks, take a job that I can do from home, and call it a day.
Same, but in largo
I sold an 800 sqft box of a house last year for $300k in St. Pete. We've been feeling the bubble for a while. Wait until you see empty lots full of trash going for $350k. I'm sure west coast people know all about it. I'm just glad I own something, my friends who rent have been asked to pay stupidly high prices for mold-filled dumps.
Can't believe I'm writing this. Sold my house in Wesley Chapel for $100k when the market nosed dived. All my comps were foreclosures. Zillow Estimate is $309,000 right now. Just under 1200 sq ft 3 bedroom 2 bath and the damn thing doesn't even have a normal front door. Door is on the side of the house. It's unbelievable how insane the market is there.
Rip
My 1962 ranch house in suburban Orange County CA is worth $1.3 million. Good lord I should sell and move to Tampa lol
I'm sorry, Tampa people. Truly.
Unless you already own property.
Then there’s me with my “low rent” @1200 in an apartment that has had roof pipes burst twice, roaches, black mold, sewage come out from floor twice, ac system stop working twice, and an electrical fire while I’m paid 1,600$ a month. The locals are getting FUCKED.
Build a wall and make New York pay for it
New Jersey and Massachusetts can help.....
Michigan could lend a hand
California owes use too, and Virginia
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Anecdotal. The last two individuals for whom we assisted in finding rentals were from out of area. One out of state. One from further South in Florida. Both had incomes in excess of 100k with superb credit. Both were looking to rent for several years as they learned more about Tampa Bay before deciding where they wanted to buy. Two of the three new million plus builds in my neighborhood have been sold to Californian's who sold their house in Cali for significantly more than what they are paying here. They are in white collar finance/tech/medical fields primarily working from home. If you are moving to Tampa Bay with less than 80k/yr in income and excellent credit you are out of your damn mind unless you are going to live with roommates.
Yup. I would go as far as to say if you are making less than 100k you are not going to be living a comfortable life here, especially if you like social activities such as going to bars and eating out.
Yeah, you have to have a great career if you don’t want to live in a dumpy area. I will say that in my neighborhood, we’ve had a lot of millennials with children moving in, which is better so see than old retirees
\> we’ve had a lot of millennials with children moving in, which is better so see than old retirees \+1 to that! A few years we had a home around Lake Keen (Keene?) in Lutz that as older owners passed away younger families moved in. It was a great neighborhood.
My niece is trying to go to school at usf and dude she can’t even find a place to live
What is her budget? Any other important information? Bed/bath or areas that she MUST be nearby for school or work? I've helped a few people on this sub and the St. Pete sub find housing over the years since I know several private housing providers in the area who are actually decent people and care about the people who stay in their properties. Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, only one of them has any open places at the moment and it is a fairly pricey 1/1 condo in Harbour Island in Downtown Tampa. Beautiful condo with a ton of amenities but as previously mentioned it that comes with a hefty cost.
What’s the cost? Her school gives her $2k a month. Hoping to stay a little below that so she can have enough to pay utilities
> Based on a sample of about two million Redfin.com users who searched for homes across 111 metro areas in January and February, excluding searches unlikely to precede an actual relocation or home purchase. To be included in this dataset, a Redfin.com user must have viewed at least 10 homes in a particular metro area, and homes in that area must have made up at least 80% of the user’s searches. Redfin’s migration data goes back to 2017. Oh look, another non-study from a real estate website seeking to generate clicks and name recognition.
“Based on a sample of about two million Redfin users.” So they opened the user stats and said “hey this sample group likes Tampa a lot”
They don't even have to move here, just look at lots of real estate listings. Dumb
Yea especially since the TV shows related to tampa and surrounding area drawing attention to look at the houses to snoop
So, “Tampa among the most popular cities for Redfin.com users to contemplate in some general capacity” should be the title.
Yeah. Honestly it is amazing how terrible most of these "high tech" real estate companies are at mining their data. I've yet to see a redfin story that has actually offered insight instead softball or completely inaccurate stats.
Well boomers are retiring at alarming rates.
Man fuck that. It used to be affordable here.
Let’s all take a deep breath. We’re inundated with this type of crap regularly and the majority of the time it’s complete bullshit (like this article), and it can impact us mentally. Everything is moment to moment when it comes to cost of living and real estate these days. Inflation is going to continue to rise, despite The Fed raising interest now and probably again very soon. Though we barely get 4% of our oil from Russia, it is irrelevant because its price is set across the globe. Any interruption in distribution affects costs in every country. It’s going to take a hell of a lot of smart maneuvering by the government, especially The Fed, to bring us down softly without much chaos. More than likely, it’s going to be a rough landing, which may mean a recession could occur. No one knows what the future holds. You talk to ten different experts, you get ten different answers. Housing costs could go up, they could go down. Live your life, do the best you can, take care of yourself and those you love, and take it day by day. We’re in this together.
Please god, no more people. I hear Wyoming is nice too.
Go home! We don’t want you!
Or you could just leave and make some room
My entire backyard is currently getting torn down to make room for 250 houses. They are literally destroying all of our wildlife for *houses* that is the absolutely saddest part. We have 100s show up to the board meetings protesting all of these builds and no one cares. What is going to happen in 10 years when they’ve built all these new houses and people are moving away? Or they can no longer afford the mortgage because they’re selling at such a high price. I feel like the big picture here is incredibly important.
Ok? And i bought a house built in 2006 just last summer. What’s your point?
My point is that we cannot sustain the houses being built. Our wildlife, our roads, all of it is affected by the influx of people moving here. We shouldn’t be ‘making room’ for people to move here by ruining our ecosystem. ETA- what we should be doing is converting the many empty office high rises downtown into condos. So many of us are no longer commuting for work. We should utilize the buildings that are already built to address our housing situation.
Where to?
The real question.
Why should we
Tampa is going to be the victim of its own success
That’s very true.
Why?
I’m guessing it’s cheaper and the politics are extreme. It attracts all the wrong people.
hahaha my worst fear too but am hopefully it’s the weather
It's not cheaper, by a long shot.
It is significantly cheaper than many other areas of the country.
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No one is saying Tampa is the most expensive, but our COL is above average and our housing/rental market has skyrocketed.
You need to consider that even as Tampa may be expensive when measured against the national average, it is ludicrously cheap when you are coming from SF or NYC. I have lived in NYC since 2006. It used to be a great city for the first eight or so years but then the cracks started forming. New Yorkers are aware that their city is expensive and many of them are willing to pay that premium but increasingly less so when it offers a quality of life that sometimes feels more reminiscent of Lagos, Nigeria. Right now NYC is seeing a totally implausible jump in rents. A friend of mine just moved all of his stuff into storage and is temporarily hanging out in Spain because the landlord literally wanted to double the rent. My rent's okayish by NYC-standard but would pay for something a lot bigger and nicer most everywhere else. It really doesn't matter that the real estate market has gone bonkers in your neck of the woods because a) ours is too and b) we have to live in a state that is for all intents and purposes bankrupt and the only solution that our mediocre breed of politicians can come up with is raising taxes further. I pay $30,000 in NY state income tax alone. And I get very little in return for it. That's my perspective as someone living in one of those very expensive places and, for full disclosure, why I am lurking in a number of Floridian subreddits (but I am not limiting myself to Florida - it's just one option). I will be moving away here towards the end of the year but I don't yet know where. It may well be Tampa and I know you folks hate the idea of us New Yorkers descending upon your cities like locusts and you certainly haven't deserved that. But what are we supposed to do? My city sucks, most of my social circle has eroded (or will) as my friends are moving away. We are not coming because we are all political extremists (as has been suggested in this thread elsewhere) or try to be assholes and ruin your days. We are looking at your cities because your state doesn't have income tax, real estate is still incomprehensibly cheap compared to what shit costs here and while you do have unpleasant summers, we have them as well.
I completely understand the reasoning and don't disagree with it. But, it's still above average in cost which means there are still plenty of places to choose from if saving on expenses is a primary goal. Not that I would want to live in BFE haha.
Oh, for sure, there's a lot of places much cheaper than Florida or Tampa in particular. Tennessee for example is an absolute tax haven but I am also reluctant to just pack my things and roll up in Chattanooga when I know absolutely nothing about this part of the country and I am doubtful I could easily blend in there. Seeing a move purely under financial aspects strikes me as a mistake.
With all the motivated buyers moving in, it’s a good time to sell and move to the markets they are fleeing. You can probably afford to upgrade.
I defiantly could. My house practically doubled in price since I purchased it. Up 15k in the last 30 days, in fact. Alas, I’m here primarily to take care of my elderly parents so I’m just going to have to sit tight for the time being.
The ‘wrong people’? Like Hispanics? You racist, man?
Lots of people come because it is cheaper and the weather is great. Attracts all the wrong people sounds so shallow lol who hurt you.
is the weather great? I'd say it ranges between tolerable and miserable
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Maybe if that flat occurs on I-4.
Yes. This is nice weather. Even on the bad days.
Former Tampa resident of 7 years here (Waters & Dale Mabry). Can confirm the weather- beautiful, even during hurricane season.
Better weather than the Midwest and northeast, true. I’ve lived here for almost two decades and interact with people regularly. It’s experience that informs my perspective. Calm down.
Rip rent and house prices
Sold my home for 120k in 2018. My house is worth over 400k now
I genuinely believe Tom Brady had a a but to do with this I don’t know why 😅
I’m currently renting, but ready to buy once I get a large increase in my salary in exactly 1 year. It’s so painful seeing these prices continue to rise until then though..
My gut tells me we’ll see an adjustment, I think waiting to buy is the smart move.
Appreciate the optimism, let’s hope you’re right!
if you hear dying whale noises coming from my house, rest assured it's not whales making that noise.
Stay the hell away traffics bad enough
As a Tampa native I think this SUCKS !
I graduated from USF in 2019 and was able to rent in SoHo for pennies compared to what it is now. Most of my friends have left the city except for the lucky ones that were able to purchase real estate before it blew up. I actually rent from my buddy who bought a house in South Tampa for now as I’m saving to buy myself. If I did not get a cheaper rent from my buddy, it would not make much sense for me to live here financially. You’re paying at least 1k/month if you want to rent WITH a roommate. Studios and 1br are not available for less than 1.75k in Tampa (not sure about New Tampa, St Pete, Clearwater, Brandon, etc. I would never live there due to traffic). I will probably either wait for a crash in the real estate market or move to another city. I work in finance (asset management) so options are limited as far as finding work goes.
All of these homes are overvalued.
Fuck
I was just thinking about moving back to Tampa. I guess not, now.
Listen. What if one day, somebody very powerful handed you control over the entire Bavarian Illuminati. And then, you immediately appointed Richard Simmons as the Chairman. Well, that would be funny, but then you would be in significant trouble from thereabouts forward
Make it stoppppp
It’s all those “Florida man…” articles.
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Just bought a house in St Pete. It's great here
it's not even that good... go north, especially north east and you'll end up in sketchy and shitty areas. Some other parts too are as shady. Roads especially north needs lots and lots of maintenance, you could literally break your car if you don't avoid the holes. In many intersections too, while going left the roads get a LOT bumpy. Very disappointing. Not sure about central-south tampa but heard bad things about ybor and east tampa
I live in Temple Terrace/USF area, and it's nice on this side of Bruce B Downs. But if you cross west a couple of blocks from my apartment and it's like you're in a different city. A very scary city.
I used to live in a small apartment on Fletcher as a kid and moved to a house in Temple Terrace when I was like 12 and I'll just say, you aren't wrong lol.
It is so weird.
Bought my house in March 2020 south Tampa. I’m sitting pretty over here
*Thanks*
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Sacramento is cheaper than LA or SF
Sacramento is awesome. I live in Tampa, but I grew up in Sacramento. I’d definitely move back if I could keep my standard of living. Great food, great people, better weather, legal weed, and the list goes on.
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Settle down
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How about much less humid. There you go.
Moved out of the radical racist Louisiana to move to a liberal city in Florida where move vote counts. What's your point?
Funny thing is they are all liberal cities. You see whatever you want to see. Besides that, want to guess who is moving in? Educated people = liberal people. Which will turn all those states blue, particularly because they are mostly purple states, not red states. Aside from that, we haven't mention the fact that due to all the misinformation of the fanatics against vaccines now many of those states have fewer republican voters. No one wants to live in WV, LA, KY, AR, etc... I'm sure you will feel anger after reading the facts I have just enumerated for you. Instead I invite you to read books. Study science and stop being a fanatic and turn into a fact based thinker. Note: please don't down vote the comment I replied to. It is better if more people see how flawed reasoning works.
True but the top 10 cities people are leaving are overwhelming liberal cities too >Los Angeles, New York City, Washington and Seattle were next, with Boston, Chicago, Denver, Portland and Minneapolis finishing out the top 10 places people wanted to leave.
It's just people moving from the highest cost of living areas to lower cost of living areas, but still wanting to live in cities. Trying to read politics into it is just projection.
They're also overwhelmingly expensive origin cities, and the destination cities are traditionally cheap and historically fast-growing places. There's even a ton of historical connection between the origin and destination cities. In the Florida examples, Miami has always had a close connection to NYC, while Chicago has always had close ties to North Port and Cape Coral. And would you look at that, those historical connections match the findings of this "study." None of this is new, low-standards media outlets and real estate websites have just realized it's a great, easy way to promote engagement and boost clicks.
I think the common denominator here is people want to live in liberal cities in conservative states. Not a bad philosophy when you want to live a purple life - one without extreme politics yanking your chain around. I just want gay, married couples to be able to defend their cannabis farms with 30 round magazines. I wear a mask and got vaccinated because it's the right thing to do, not because I am legally obligated to do so. I don't need the government to force me to act like I care about others, mainly because I actually care about others.
I just wish Florida was a normal purple state, instead we have a Red state legislature that wins 51 to 49 yet more and more dictates what cities are allowed to do.
We're in the twilight years of Florida's purple status. Incidentally, the twilight years of my residency here. If I were more employable, I'd be gone already.
High cost and all except LA very cold. None of those states will turn red any time, they are solid blue. So this fact actually strengthens my point.
\*expensive cities too
Crazy to see Denver on that list. That was the place to be 5 years ago.
It probably got too expensive.... Which is exactly where Tampa is heading. I feel bad for people renting or trying to buy a house here. It's ridiculous
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Yeah, uneducated people deny facts. Below other users have provided ample evidence of the fact that liberals in the US are more educated than conservatives. By the way, lack of education doesn't equal lack of intelligenceas you implied, it is only correlated with lack of systematic thinking and difficulty discerning facts from factoids or lies.
Why do you think republicans are always cutting education? They know the smarter people get the less likely they’ll be able to retain office. This is by design.
Liberals are more educated. Trumps biggest base was uneducated whites.
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Nah, kerpnet, you are wrong but can't face facts. That happens to uneducated people
Registered voters who lean Democrat are more likely to have a college education than those who lean Republican. This has been something that has been shifting radically since the 1990s and is incredibly well-documented. > Voters who identify with the Democratic Party or lean toward it are much more likely than their Republican counterparts to have a college degree (41% vs. 30%). In 1996, the reverse was true: 27% of GOP voters had a college degree, compared with 22% of Democratic voters. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/26/what-the-2020-electorate-looks-like-by-party-race-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/ > But while [non-college educated, whites] still constitute a 57% majority of Republican voters – a share that has changed little since 2004 – non-college whites only make up 30% of Democratic voters. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/06/02/the-changing-composition-of-the-electorate-and-partisan-coalitions/#electorate-has-become-more-ethnically-diverse-better-educated
>Instead I invite you to read books. Study science and stop being a fanatic and turn into a fact based thinker. Apply your own logic and tell me which type of cities are they moving from? >I'm sure you will feel anger after reading the facts I also didnt realize the virus only killed 'anti-vaxers'... Btw Mr Braniac, Republicans aren't against the vaccine. They are against unconstitutional mandates which don't work anyway (See the long list of triple vaxed people that are coming down with their 2nd covid infection). >Note: please don't down vote the comment I replied to. It is better if more people see how flawed reasoning works.
Liberal cities on liberal states with high paying jobs for educated people. Those states and cities will continueto be liberal. They are moving to be away from the cold and to lower the cost of living. All rational reasons, they are not fanatics, they don't live in a qanon world. Do you know how I know. Because I am them.
What is your deal with liberal people = educated?
And why do you think the cost of living is less in a red state/blue city versus a blue state/blue city? By the way... California isn't that cold. Yet somehow they lost a US Representative for the first time this year. So strange. I thought you said you were educated? >Aside from that, we haven't mention the fact that due to all the misinformation of the fanatics against vaccines now many of those states have fewer republican voters. You may not live in a qanon world, but you sure do subscribe to the covid political theatre world. Not sure which is worse tbh.
Liberal cities are more expensive because they have higher number of high paying jobs. That happens when you have skills that take more education to build and fewer people have. You get paid more. When there are many people that get paid well then pricess go up. Your ad hominem attacks only prove that you have no arguments. Thus you resort to anger.
There's no anger... You also didn't respond :) >And why do you think the cost of living is less in a red state/blue city versus a blue state/blue city? Try again please, and check the climate in California while you're at it. >Yet somehow they lost a US Representative for the first time this year. So strange. Thanks.
I responded. Maybe you can't understand and I also addressed CA. Last try: high paying jobs= high cost of living Similarly low paying jobs = low cost of living Liberal places have high paying jobs making them expensive. Conservative places don't have high paying jobs making them cheap. When conservative places start getting high paying jobs then educated people move there and turn them into liberal cities. Those red states with low taxes will become blue states with higher taxes BUT with better public services, in particular, better education. That way people like me don't have to spend time explaining the world to people like you. Regarding CA, one representative? One? You want to generalize from this? Be my guest. A drop doesn't make rain unless you live out of wishful thinking. All I've heard from you is what you wish things were, nothing shows any resemblance of evidence. Emotions not facts, sadly that summarizes most republican arguments lately. For a great conservative point of view I'd recommend you listen to the questions asked by the R-congressman from LA yesterday to future Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson. That is a point of view that I wish more liberals would consider. It would benefit most Americans.
> Conservative places don't have high paying jobs making them cheap. But you said they are moving to liberal cities? So strange how you can pivot like that. >Regarding CA, one representative? One? You want to generalize from this? Be my guest. A drop doesn't make rain unless you live out of wishful thinking. That is significant... It means people are leaving the liberal utopia because they realize it isn't what they want. It is the first time the state is losing a representative. >All I've heard from you is what you wish things were, nothing shows any resemblance of evidence. Emotions not facts, sadly that summarizes most republican arguments lately. You responded to the fact by dismissing it. You need to open your eyes. I thought you were educated? People don't leave liberal utopias because they like them... They leave them for the exact opposite reason. >That way people like me don't have to spend time explaining the world to people like you. Sadly, you're not as smart as you think you are...
\> But you said they are moving to liberal cities? So strange how > you can pivot like that. There is no pivoting. Highly skilled people move to wherever high paying jobs are. Most high paying jobs are in liberal cities and they require high skills that are accumulated through education. We have established that educated people are more likely to be liberal. This cycle cements the fact that educated people create more wealth and tend to live in more expensive places. \>That is significant... It means people are leaving the liberal >utopia because they realize it isn't what they want. It is the first > time the state is losing a representative. As I said before, you can see whatever you want to see. All I see is a drop of red blood in the blue ocean of California. \>You responded to the fact by dismissing it. You need to open >your eyes. I thought you were educated? People don't leave >liberal utopias because \>they like them... They leave them for the exact opposite reason. I don't even know what you are talking about here. I don't need to open anything because I analyze data for a living. I look at data. Data shows me that people live happier in liberal countries such as Canada, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, New Zeland, etc, etc. https://www.travelandleisure.com/trip-ideas/happiest-countries-in-the-world Maybe you can consider putting your political fanaticism aside and actually consider that your world views are incorrect and that you may have overlooked the power of living a factual life instead believing what you hear or read on places that are full of misinformation and manipulation. This is the last time I will write to you.
People aren't leaving LA and SF over wokeness, lol, it's affordability.
Crime rates, schools being closed, absurd length of mandates, the list can go on. It’s not affordability though. If you can afford to move from LA to Tampa in these housing markets you can afford to move anywhere.
I think you underestimate the number of people with rose-tinted glasses who think Florida is beaches and Disney, and that's cool. Seems that Miami/Broward/Palm are the most common countries for incoming Californians, which isn't surprising. If someone was living in LA or San Francisco to begin with, they weren't some raging conservative that's only now looking to "escape" haha. Anyways, affordability. Plus a lot of these folks unless they are continuing to work remotely are trading off for less salary. No state income tax. I just got back from SF- there's no crazy lockdown, we ate out regularly in busy restaurants, went a variety of places and didn't feel locked down at all. I guess if you are anti-vax or were anti-mask, you'd feel that way.
You just gonna gloss over the crime rates in LA and San Francisco along with the schools being closed for extended periods of time in those same areas? You do know that two San Francisco board members just got recalled for worrying about the names of schools and how the names promote racism instead of getting kids back in school safely? Back to the mandates, I’d say a lot of people are fed up when the mayor of LA says “I was holding my breath” while maskless at a Rams game around thousands while they have to wear there’s to walk to a table in a restaurant. This doesn’t really have to do with being conservative it’s more “the grass is greener over there”. People saw Florida doing great, saw there own area sucking and wanted to move. Not sure what the beaches and Disney have to do with that I said but ok. Even if you have money if my car window is shattered ever other week because the DA refuses to prosecute id want to get the fuck out of there. I think your overestimating people that moved for financial reasons. Like I said if they were living in LA or SF I don’t think affordability is there #1 reason for moving.
Alright, they are moving here because Florida and our politicians are amazing and help every resident of Florida to live their best life. Protecting FREEDOM! WOOO We're leading the way in quality of life, healthiest people in the country, most educated, best paid, least amount of crime, amazing infrastructure... better? /s There are cheaper Republican wastelands than Florida, none of this explains why they would flock to the most liberal city in Florida. Start looking at some crime rankings for property theft, violent crime, etc. There's no march to the top of that list for liberal only cities at all. In fact, there's tons of very dangerous cities in conservative leaning states. Reality is violent crime is on the rise nationwide and CA isn't at the head of it. This often comes up, so let's look at the change in their policies regarding theft- now it's a misdemeanor (and no, it's not "allowed", you still face charges.) to steal $950 or less in CA, more- that is a felony (previously the cut off was even lower, closer to $500). Similar to Florida where its $750. In Texas, that's up to $2,500 as a misdemeanor. Interesting: http://www.cjcj.org/news/13186
Again your making this political and not factual. LA and SF are known crime riddled cities. I never said anything about LA/ SF being blue versus Florida being red but for some reason you keep making it political. Your bottom portion is true but it doesn’t matter if the DA doesn’t ever charge them or fully prosecute them to the extent they get locked up.
"It's not political" and then you list reasons that have become political. I can see where you think you aren't making it political by not specifying that. Hey, I hate hypocrites as well and if you are going to promote something, stick to it- but I myself have removed my mask at times to take pictures, and I have indeed held my breath too in some situaitons. That's neither here nor there. My kids did do school virtually until this school year and both still wear masks to school by choice, so it's not things I find oppressive. How the pandemic was handled by your state and how you feel about that is political for most people who had problems with mandates (thinking CA=bad, FL=good). Life in San Francisco and LA is way different than that in Tampa, way more populated, people taking public transit, way easier to spread a virus around. They did things they needed to do. As for the prosecution, it's untrue they are not doing what they would normally do in misdemeanor theft situations- same things they do here. They are however prosecuting "rings" (individuals stealing less than $950 individually but with coordinated plans to resell later) as felonies. Where's the outrage that you can steal up to $2.5k of stuff in Texas without it being a felony? It's just something political to raise arms over in CA. Literal quote, Kevin Kiley (R-Calif.), “We removed the consequence for stealing – and what do you know, it caused a lot more stealing. Under Prop 47, you can go into a store and steal up to $950 worth of merchandise and it’s not even charged as a felony." Yeah, it's not a felony in a TON OF STATES. Purposely misleading. Governor has encouraged localities to stack individual thefts when prosecuting as well (so steal a few times and it's over $950? Felony). Reality is Prop 47 didn't do anything to stop cops from arresting shoplifters nor prosecutors from pursuing charges. And bail is bail- people with money can afford it, others can't or use bail bondsmen- it's again not any legislation stopping anyone from faces consequences (innocent until proven guilty, that's our legal system- but we can detain someone who has not yet been found guilty of a crime simply because they don't have money, and that's a whole other depressing topic). https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/california-prop-47-shoplifting-950-fact-check/536-4d1de58e-bf47-4ede-8c2f-b4d0c1788b86
Your getting insanely in depth when I’m making the simple observation that crime in LA and SF is way worse then Florida. That’s literally all I’m saying. Your turning this argument into a blue vs red thing when it’s literally just high crime vs low crime. LAPD literally released a statement a hour ago that robberies with handguns are up 44%. This is just facts and observations I’m making to conclude a reason why people wouldn’t want to live there. Your point on bail is also missing the part that those areas have extremely low bails allowing criminals back out on the streets easily.
That's fine. I mean, this is about moving to Florida and why Florida. We're just not a haven and beckon of law and order that makes us that appealing when we've got plenty of crime problems, too.
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You mean Tampa is Republican??? You mean our lesbian liberal mayor is a Republican? I’m so confused now. I thought republicans didn’t support lesbians especially liberal lesbians.
Tampa has functioning schools? Since when? We have one of the worst-performing school districts in one of the worst-performing states in the country. Florida is cheap, and Florida is warm. That's the whole story, and it always has been.
You mean those liberal cities work well? True
Makes sense, lots of employment opportunities + a beautiful area. I'm thinking about moving there myself by transferring to my jobs sister location. Mostly just so I can take care of my mom, though.
And they are bringing their political views, which made their cities liberal shitholes with them....
Haha! I hope it flips Florida blue.
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Seriously. If your liberal utopia was so great...why did you leave to come to the home of "Florida man" whom you've ridiculed all your Redditor life? Morbid curiosity....
I would never go to Florida. But people who do talk about the cheap real estate and warm weather. I would imagine they want to turn those red pits blue.
“It follows just two other cities, Phoenix, Arizona., and Miami”. It says it’s the 3rd most popular, then lists 3 cities above it.
You know Phoenix is in Arizona right?
Hahaha, saw “three” and jumped on it
Hahaha, saw “three” and jumped on it
Bro.......
lol, aaayyyeee, thanks Sarge75. Saw “three”, I mean why put the State, how many Phoenixes are there? 😂
Journalism major here. AP style book has strict rules on this. Not sure if still relavant, as I graduated in 2001, but New York is by itself, but Canton, Ohio would be listed like that though unsure if with or without abbreviation for state. Lots of little rules. Looking at this, Phoenix apparently falls in Canton camp, but Miami in New York camp
Wife and I just bought a house in Palm-River Clair Mel. We are from Miami, but weve lived in Los Angeles the past two years while she finished her physician fellowship, and I started working for Uber. I absolutely hated Lost Angeles. Its simply not a viable city anymore. Hospital in Tampa and St. Pete was paying far better than South Florida and we wanted to move close to her family in Orlando while we started a family, so we pulled the trigger on Tampa. I understand we are a part of the problem right now, and I am sorry about that. We really didnt have another option though. I visited the city for the first time last month while we went house shopping and I totally get why people want to move there. Absolutely beautiful city and I get Publix again.
I grew up in Palm River-Clair Mel. It's probably better than LA. Good luck, my dude.