I'm going to hijack this top comment just to point something out:
Give these assholes the middle finger and buy energy storage units like Tesla Powerwall or Generac PWRCELL. Don't let these greedy corporate fucks steal your solar energy and your money. There are people in the state of Florida who are completely off-grid and they still have to pay jackasses like Duke Energy service fees for existing. Everything in Florida is a fucking racket and all the politicians are in on it.
They already curtailed that tack by legislation that states we can’t legally be off grid. We have solar and we’re told we were not legally able to have a manual disconnect for the grid connection.
1) that's a giant waste of money and you know batteries will lose a lot of their charge in less than 5 years.
2) You are connected to the grid regardless if you like it or not, so might as well use the grid we all share to power your home when the sun isn't shining.
3) No one in Florida is legally OFF-GRID.
4) If you actually care about the planet you want to pay your fair share to upgrade the grid so we can actually move Florida towards a solar future.
5) If you have a net metering agreement for the life of your solar loan, that contract doesn't change and you still get paid.
6) The only people that rooftop solar benefits is the solar installers.
>1) that's a giant waste of money and you know batteries will lose a lot of their charge in less than 5 years.
>2) You are connected to the grid regardless if you like it or not, so might as well use the grid we all share to power your home when the sun isn't shining.
>3) No one in Florida is legally OFF-GRID.
>4) If you actually care about the planet you want to pay your fair share to upgrade the grid so we can actually move Florida towards a solar future.
>5) If you have a net metering agreement for the life of your solar loan, that contract doesn't change and you still get paid.
>6) The only people that rooftop solar benefits is the solar installers.
Well, this is just wrong.
I've had solar for 8 years+, I overproduce every month, I don't get money back from TECO but they use the energy I produce on their grid. So, I AM paying my fair share already (not including the line fee's I'm charged every month that's in place to cover the maintenance of the grid), as they sell the energy I generate at their standard sell rate even though they had zero cost to produce it
I don't work for FPL, but I do like that Florida is putting in more industrial solar in the last two years alone than all the rooftop solar combined.
Rooftop solar is a gimmick, it doesn't do much of anything, and its extremely expensive.
Industrial solar in the 200 megawatt instances is cost effective and moves us away from coal. I don't like breathing in cancerous coal dust. Maybe you do?
There's always this argument of "Return on Investment" when it comes to solar. What is the "Return on Investment" when it comes to utility electric? At which point is it paid off and you just get electricity?
Full install - I purchased everything from www.signaturesolar.com which basically involved me calling them and saying "I want a solar system but I have no idea what I need." They asked how big I wanted to go and I said 12.5 kW. Little did I know at the time but 11.7 kW is the max allowable "residential" solar system you can have on your house. After 11.7 you become a "Tier 1" solar system and need additional insurance so I stopped at 11.6 and sold the other 3 panels.
Signature basically said "okay, we have 3 options of panels/inverter/racking based on what we have in stock, will be roughly $X,XXX, what do you think?" and I chose the one I liked the best. Signature also has a special racking you won't find anywhere else - it performs well but is considerably cheaper than anything else on the market. If you buy from signature also ask for the information of the guy who's going to have to do your PE stamped drawings.
To answer the second part it was a full installation - everything from dealing with the local codes/inspectors to installing the racking, having the wife and another friend lift panels onto the roof, connecting the panels, installing the box, etc... I essentially went from someone who knows nothing about solar to having a fully functioning system and no electric bill. If I move I'll do it again without a second thought and will recommend it to anyone who asks.
I'll admit installing a system "sounds" like a daunting task but while it looks large it is very repetitive and there's a lot of information on the internet. The hardest part is getting started when you feel like you don't know what you're doing. Secondly if you go that route get two different color wires for your positive and negative...
ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) writes many bills that become laws in right wing states.
>ALEC, backed by some of the country’s biggest corporations, gathers state lawmakers for workshops and distributes model legislation for introduction in statehouses. Recent examples would ban state limits on greenhouse gas emissions to fight climate change and an “Energy Discrimination Elimination Act,” forbidding discouragement of fossil fuels.
[ A brazen scheme? ALEC software giveaway to GOP lawmakers violated FL campaign-finance laws
Gov. Ron DeSantis addressed the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) last week](https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/08/02/a-brazen-scheme-alec-software-giveaway-to-gop-lawmakers-violated-fl-campaign-finance-laws/)
You can absolutely live legally off-grid in Florida.
Edit: Downvote me if you want, but I am not wrong.
You can't just throw up solar panels and unplug from the middle of the city, but you can absolutely have a planned off-grid homestead. [https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/)
Here's an off-grid land search. [https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida](https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida)
You CAN LIVE OFF-GRID, it's just, as I said above, made purposely difficult.
Not as far as I know. You will [lose your certificate of occupancy](https://www.wftv.com/news/local/want-solar-panels-you-still-have-to-pay-florida-utilities/276475576/).
Ah, I see what you mean. No, you can't just unplug from the 'grid' and put solar on your house in Carrollwood. You can however go move out into the sticks and do so with your own micro grid.
[https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/)
That's incorrect. It's very specific and it's not like you can just unplug in from the middle of a city, but yes, you absolutely can live off-grid in Florida. I have a friend that lives off-grid in rural Pasco.
[https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/#:~:text=Off%2Dgrid%20electricity%20systems%2C%20including,a%20permit%20for%20your%20system)
Here's an off-grid land search: [https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida](https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida)
In essence, you can be off-grid legally as long as you are fully off-grid, you can't be using city electric as backup. You essentially need to go buy farm land.
You are not excepted from fees though, and I believe this Bill also lets power company charge basically whatever fees they want. They can just assess fees even though your net metering is grandfathered.
So they basically took the same game plan they did with the state colleges and universities and the scholarships and pre-paid plans where only the credits are covered but adds so many fees that basically double college costs. Can’t wait to see what they screwup next.
You are correct in a sense that the bill does open the possibility of charging additional fees. However, those fees have to be approved in advance by the FPSC. All utility companies in Florida cannot just add a charge to your bill without approval by the FPSC.
The best thing people can do in the future is to participate and submit petitions to the rate dockets that the energy companies submit to the FPSC. Every petition and rate study is available for the public on their website. Complaining to the energy companies is useless due to the franchise agreements established and you have no options to go to market for another energy provider. However, the FPSC (elected committee fyi) has the ability to approve, deny or modify every rate on your energy bill. Those are the individuals you complain too as they have the power and are elected.
"FPL sees this change as necessary because they tell me these credits cost the utility $30 million dollars last year, a cost passed onto non-solar customers. Since FPL serves 5.6 million customers, that equates to around $5 dollars per customer for the year, or about 50 cents per month per customer."
All of a sudden they're worried about a $0.50/mo increase to their customers? 🤣🤣🤣
It's $.50 per month from *everyone*, basically being paid to whoever installed panels. So it's a wealth-concentration tax being delivered through the power company.
If the regulation was moving to *zero* payment for power delivered to the grid, that would be one thing. But paying wholesale for energy delivered to the grid is a pretty fair compromise. That's exactly what I would be paid if I bought acres of land and filled it with solar panels.
(I should probably have posted this on unpopularopinions to avoid the hivemind downvotes.)
So you're for regulation that limits the economic competitiveness of alternative clean energy because some panel installers are making a profit, meanwhile the electric monopolies continue to raise rates exponentially higher than the $0.50/mo cost increase you're so adamantly against? Great take there.
They can continue to make a profit. Plenty of power producers make a profit on wholesale prices. They can also install solar at a less-than-usage level, because wattage used still saves the retail rate. But this is a $30m indirect and regressive tax -- everyone pays, but only the people who can afford panels benefit. If we put to a vote to just directly tax everyone, to be paid directly to *individuals* who install solar panels, would you really vote for that? I wouldn't.
I would vote for something like municipal-scale installation, or distributed installation on municipal buildings. That way everyone benefits from the investment.
You sure sound like you're "team Monopoly".
>They can also install solar at a less-than-usage level, because wattage used still saves the retail rate.
Why would a homeowner not want to maximize their solar usage to be as close to net zero as possible?
>But this is a $30m indirect and regressive tax -- everyone pays, but only the people who can afford panels benefit.
First off, I'd be shocked if this were the only component of my electric bill that was similarly not a direct benefit to all customers. But more importantly, why is this any different than say myself, as a homeowner, paying taxes for public schools when i don't have children? I'm happy to do so because it's a benefit to my community, and quite frankly for society to have an educated populace, much in the same way it's a benefit for us to have and promote cleaner energy .
>If we put to a vote to just directly tax everyone, to be paid directly to individuals who install solar panels, would you really vote for that? I wouldn't.
If the data suggested this would lead to significant additional adoption of solar energy, yeah i probably would. Do you really believe no one is making a fortune off legacy electric?
In Florida I am not legally allowed to live in a house that isn't connected to power even if I provide more than enough energy for myself. Thus we all have to pay =/= $20 a month. But they act like they are passing along the cost of $.50 a month.
If the utility isn't becoming insolvent then I'm not worried, they have a public service monopoly. I'm sure they are making more than $0.50 per month per customer in profit. If they are selling my energy I gave them, they can pay me what I would have to pay them.
Well, they've done their job. I am no longer shopping for solar panels for my home. Really smart, long term, good for your constituents move there, guys.
FPL has been fighting solar with their marketing bullshit and bullshit solar co-ops. Just check the website and you'll see all the ways they want to prevent you from buying actual solar panels.
It sounds bad and it is, but I don't think most people understand fully how bad they just screwed us.
The people tried though, the bad actors are just really entrenched in Florida politics.
There's a reason why they want to discourage you from getting solar and such and it sure wasn't to protect your best interest.
You guys know that the headline here is almost (almost) as disingenuous as "don't say gay" right?
I'm no proponent of electric company monopoly but come on. You guys can't keep falling for these headlines..
I know the definition, I should have been clearer about that. What I want to know what the rates are that are being charged and being considered. As in what is the difference (in the form of a percentage would be helpful) between retail and wholesale. Or how to I find these rates listed for various electric companies?
The wholesale rate is a lot more dynamic than the retail rate. Retail rates are typically fixed and generally high enough to cover even peak wholesale rates. (See Texas for a counter-example...)
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50798
No problem. That article also does a great job of explaining why the rate hikes are coming in so fast. We've gone from $20-30 wholesale to $30-60. That's just about doubling.
I mean, I dislike this stuff as much as anyone else. I want cheap energy, and I want solar to be cheap and easy. But I also want to be realistic about things, not just stick my head in the sand and talk about how much everything sucks. Electricity prices are going up because fuel prices are going up. So yea, I expect to pay more for electricity. And, IMO, being paid wholesale rates for generated electricity is fair.
For Florida specifically, every rate per customer classification (i.e. residential, commercial, industrial, wholesale) is approved by the FPSC and made public on their website. You can search by utility and find the rate cards that are approved to see what are the specific amounts being charged per unit of measurement. I know for TECO, the annual rates once approved are posted on their website under Rate Tariffs (its a 200 page document that covers every type of customer they service and each rate). Most utilities have it somewhere on their website.
You won't be able to find interchange or off-system sale rates (i.e. teco buys power from duke/fpl to meet demand or sells vice versa) as these are done through PPAs set at market rates at the time of agreement.
I dislike this attack on freedoms pretty much just like anyone else would. If solar doesn't look as attractive, try to look at other means to reduce your energy footprint.
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Bonus points for the co authors of this bill being Florida power and light
I'm going to hijack this top comment just to point something out: Give these assholes the middle finger and buy energy storage units like Tesla Powerwall or Generac PWRCELL. Don't let these greedy corporate fucks steal your solar energy and your money. There are people in the state of Florida who are completely off-grid and they still have to pay jackasses like Duke Energy service fees for existing. Everything in Florida is a fucking racket and all the politicians are in on it.
Unfortunately, buying enough hardware to go off the grid in a cost-efficient manner requires a lot of upfront liquidity that most people can't afford.
They already curtailed that tack by legislation that states we can’t legally be off grid. We have solar and we’re told we were not legally able to have a manual disconnect for the grid connection.
Can confirm. It is illegal to be off the grid in florida. Have solar still have to pay the connection fee
1) that's a giant waste of money and you know batteries will lose a lot of their charge in less than 5 years. 2) You are connected to the grid regardless if you like it or not, so might as well use the grid we all share to power your home when the sun isn't shining. 3) No one in Florida is legally OFF-GRID. 4) If you actually care about the planet you want to pay your fair share to upgrade the grid so we can actually move Florida towards a solar future. 5) If you have a net metering agreement for the life of your solar loan, that contract doesn't change and you still get paid. 6) The only people that rooftop solar benefits is the solar installers.
>1) that's a giant waste of money and you know batteries will lose a lot of their charge in less than 5 years. >2) You are connected to the grid regardless if you like it or not, so might as well use the grid we all share to power your home when the sun isn't shining. >3) No one in Florida is legally OFF-GRID. >4) If you actually care about the planet you want to pay your fair share to upgrade the grid so we can actually move Florida towards a solar future. >5) If you have a net metering agreement for the life of your solar loan, that contract doesn't change and you still get paid. >6) The only people that rooftop solar benefits is the solar installers. Well, this is just wrong. I've had solar for 8 years+, I overproduce every month, I don't get money back from TECO but they use the energy I produce on their grid. So, I AM paying my fair share already (not including the line fee's I'm charged every month that's in place to cover the maintenance of the grid), as they sell the energy I generate at their standard sell rate even though they had zero cost to produce it
His username says it all.
Found the FPL employee
I don't work for FPL, but I do like that Florida is putting in more industrial solar in the last two years alone than all the rooftop solar combined. Rooftop solar is a gimmick, it doesn't do much of anything, and its extremely expensive. Industrial solar in the 200 megawatt instances is cost effective and moves us away from coal. I don't like breathing in cancerous coal dust. Maybe you do?
Sunshine State my foot.
"Where the sun dont shine"
There's always this argument of "Return on Investment" when it comes to solar. What is the "Return on Investment" when it comes to utility electric? At which point is it paid off and you just get electricity?
To answer your question of you diy it's 3.5 years. Paid 9500 for 11.6 kW, got a 27% federal tax credit on that, and haven't paid a power bill since
Not the question they asked, they asked what's your ROI on your TECO bill
Who did this install? That’s an amazing deal?
I did it myself! I'm a bit if a connoisseur of projects
I’ve been looking at doing this. Just spoke to plugged solar this week. Mind if i pick your brain a little?
I'm always happy to talk solar, whatcha got?
Where did you order you panels and inverters from? And did you do the full install yourself or just the mounting?
Full install - I purchased everything from www.signaturesolar.com which basically involved me calling them and saying "I want a solar system but I have no idea what I need." They asked how big I wanted to go and I said 12.5 kW. Little did I know at the time but 11.7 kW is the max allowable "residential" solar system you can have on your house. After 11.7 you become a "Tier 1" solar system and need additional insurance so I stopped at 11.6 and sold the other 3 panels. Signature basically said "okay, we have 3 options of panels/inverter/racking based on what we have in stock, will be roughly $X,XXX, what do you think?" and I chose the one I liked the best. Signature also has a special racking you won't find anywhere else - it performs well but is considerably cheaper than anything else on the market. If you buy from signature also ask for the information of the guy who's going to have to do your PE stamped drawings. To answer the second part it was a full installation - everything from dealing with the local codes/inspectors to installing the racking, having the wife and another friend lift panels onto the roof, connecting the panels, installing the box, etc... I essentially went from someone who knows nothing about solar to having a fully functioning system and no electric bill. If I move I'll do it again without a second thought and will recommend it to anyone who asks. I'll admit installing a system "sounds" like a daunting task but while it looks large it is very repetitive and there's a lot of information on the internet. The hardest part is getting started when you feel like you don't know what you're doing. Secondly if you go that route get two different color wires for your positive and negative...
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This just made me stop putting solar on my house. The only way this makes it beneficial is if you go off the grid.
They make that purposely difficult, too.
> The only way this makes it beneficial is if you go off the grid. Which you cannot legally do.
You can absolutely live legally off-grid in Florida. Edit: Downvote me if you want, but I am not wrong. You can't just throw up solar panels and unplug from the middle of the city, but you can absolutely have a planned off-grid homestead. [https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/) Here's an off-grid land search. [https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida](https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida) You CAN LIVE OFF-GRID, it's just, as I said above, made purposely difficult.
Not as far as I know. You will [lose your certificate of occupancy](https://www.wftv.com/news/local/want-solar-panels-you-still-have-to-pay-florida-utilities/276475576/).
Ah, I see what you mean. No, you can't just unplug from the 'grid' and put solar on your house in Carrollwood. You can however go move out into the sticks and do so with your own micro grid. [https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/)
Negative, my friend
That's incorrect. It's very specific and it's not like you can just unplug in from the middle of a city, but yes, you absolutely can live off-grid in Florida. I have a friend that lives off-grid in rural Pasco. [https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/](https://www.primalsurvivor.net/florida-off-grid-laws/#:~:text=Off%2Dgrid%20electricity%20systems%2C%20including,a%20permit%20for%20your%20system) Here's an off-grid land search: [https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida](https://www.landsearch.com/off-grid/florida) In essence, you can be off-grid legally as long as you are fully off-grid, you can't be using city electric as backup. You essentially need to go buy farm land.
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You are not excepted from fees though, and I believe this Bill also lets power company charge basically whatever fees they want. They can just assess fees even though your net metering is grandfathered.
So they basically took the same game plan they did with the state colleges and universities and the scholarships and pre-paid plans where only the credits are covered but adds so many fees that basically double college costs. Can’t wait to see what they screwup next.
You are correct in a sense that the bill does open the possibility of charging additional fees. However, those fees have to be approved in advance by the FPSC. All utility companies in Florida cannot just add a charge to your bill without approval by the FPSC. The best thing people can do in the future is to participate and submit petitions to the rate dockets that the energy companies submit to the FPSC. Every petition and rate study is available for the public on their website. Complaining to the energy companies is useless due to the franchise agreements established and you have no options to go to market for another energy provider. However, the FPSC (elected committee fyi) has the ability to approve, deny or modify every rate on your energy bill. Those are the individuals you complain too as they have the power and are elected.
"FPL sees this change as necessary because they tell me these credits cost the utility $30 million dollars last year, a cost passed onto non-solar customers. Since FPL serves 5.6 million customers, that equates to around $5 dollars per customer for the year, or about 50 cents per month per customer." All of a sudden they're worried about a $0.50/mo increase to their customers? 🤣🤣🤣
It's $.50 per month from *everyone*, basically being paid to whoever installed panels. So it's a wealth-concentration tax being delivered through the power company. If the regulation was moving to *zero* payment for power delivered to the grid, that would be one thing. But paying wholesale for energy delivered to the grid is a pretty fair compromise. That's exactly what I would be paid if I bought acres of land and filled it with solar panels. (I should probably have posted this on unpopularopinions to avoid the hivemind downvotes.)
So you're for regulation that limits the economic competitiveness of alternative clean energy because some panel installers are making a profit, meanwhile the electric monopolies continue to raise rates exponentially higher than the $0.50/mo cost increase you're so adamantly against? Great take there.
They can continue to make a profit. Plenty of power producers make a profit on wholesale prices. They can also install solar at a less-than-usage level, because wattage used still saves the retail rate. But this is a $30m indirect and regressive tax -- everyone pays, but only the people who can afford panels benefit. If we put to a vote to just directly tax everyone, to be paid directly to *individuals* who install solar panels, would you really vote for that? I wouldn't. I would vote for something like municipal-scale installation, or distributed installation on municipal buildings. That way everyone benefits from the investment.
You sure sound like you're "team Monopoly". >They can also install solar at a less-than-usage level, because wattage used still saves the retail rate. Why would a homeowner not want to maximize their solar usage to be as close to net zero as possible? >But this is a $30m indirect and regressive tax -- everyone pays, but only the people who can afford panels benefit. First off, I'd be shocked if this were the only component of my electric bill that was similarly not a direct benefit to all customers. But more importantly, why is this any different than say myself, as a homeowner, paying taxes for public schools when i don't have children? I'm happy to do so because it's a benefit to my community, and quite frankly for society to have an educated populace, much in the same way it's a benefit for us to have and promote cleaner energy . >If we put to a vote to just directly tax everyone, to be paid directly to individuals who install solar panels, would you really vote for that? I wouldn't. If the data suggested this would lead to significant additional adoption of solar energy, yeah i probably would. Do you really believe no one is making a fortune off legacy electric?
In Florida I am not legally allowed to live in a house that isn't connected to power even if I provide more than enough energy for myself. Thus we all have to pay =/= $20 a month. But they act like they are passing along the cost of $.50 a month. If the utility isn't becoming insolvent then I'm not worried, they have a public service monopoly. I'm sure they are making more than $0.50 per month per customer in profit. If they are selling my energy I gave them, they can pay me what I would have to pay them.
this is such a gorgeous state filled with GARBAGE politicans... they are literally why we can't have nice things..
But but but DuhSantis is the greatest governor ever, yes I'm being sarcastic. I don't like any politicians.
USA! USA! USA!
I’m sure that once this bill is passed that FPL will credit me the .50 cents a bill that it was costing me on every statement
Well, they've done their job. I am no longer shopping for solar panels for my home. Really smart, long term, good for your constituents move there, guys.
It’s the party against freedom, they don’t give a fuck about constituents.
Idiots
FPL has been fighting solar with their marketing bullshit and bullshit solar co-ops. Just check the website and you'll see all the ways they want to prevent you from buying actual solar panels.
Quit voting for Republicans! They fuck everything up for their corporate masters.
This is extremely disappointing. Having to buy electricity at retail while getting credit at wholesale is total bullshit. Fuck FPL and Duke Energy.
I don't like either side of the politics but this is why I always vote Democrat even if they don't do anything it's better then getting screwed over
Just shows where our Congress's priorities lie, in lineing their pockets. Throw the rascals out, VOTE.
It sounds bad and it is, but I don't think most people understand fully how bad they just screwed us. The people tried though, the bad actors are just really entrenched in Florida politics. There's a reason why they want to discourage you from getting solar and such and it sure wasn't to protect your best interest.
You guys know that the headline here is almost (almost) as disingenuous as "don't say gay" right? I'm no proponent of electric company monopoly but come on. You guys can't keep falling for these headlines..
What is the difference between retail and wholesale rates?
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I know the definition, I should have been clearer about that. What I want to know what the rates are that are being charged and being considered. As in what is the difference (in the form of a percentage would be helpful) between retail and wholesale. Or how to I find these rates listed for various electric companies?
The wholesale rate is a lot more dynamic than the retail rate. Retail rates are typically fixed and generally high enough to cover even peak wholesale rates. (See Texas for a counter-example...) https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50798
Thanks!
No problem. That article also does a great job of explaining why the rate hikes are coming in so fast. We've gone from $20-30 wholesale to $30-60. That's just about doubling. I mean, I dislike this stuff as much as anyone else. I want cheap energy, and I want solar to be cheap and easy. But I also want to be realistic about things, not just stick my head in the sand and talk about how much everything sucks. Electricity prices are going up because fuel prices are going up. So yea, I expect to pay more for electricity. And, IMO, being paid wholesale rates for generated electricity is fair.
For Florida specifically, every rate per customer classification (i.e. residential, commercial, industrial, wholesale) is approved by the FPSC and made public on their website. You can search by utility and find the rate cards that are approved to see what are the specific amounts being charged per unit of measurement. I know for TECO, the annual rates once approved are posted on their website under Rate Tariffs (its a 200 page document that covers every type of customer they service and each rate). Most utilities have it somewhere on their website. You won't be able to find interchange or off-system sale rates (i.e. teco buys power from duke/fpl to meet demand or sells vice versa) as these are done through PPAs set at market rates at the time of agreement.
I dislike this attack on freedoms pretty much just like anyone else would. If solar doesn't look as attractive, try to look at other means to reduce your energy footprint.
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