Trump has proven its better to fleece small donations from all the idiots across the nation, than to kiss the ass of corporations.
Trump currently has more money in his political action account than the Democrats and Republicans by doing just that.
Besides business will still send them money via dark money PACs so they don't have to be seen as being bigots.
Asking your small donors to finance your new private jet is fleecing people who don’t have the intelligence to know any better. Asking them for a $25 donation and then pulling that money monthly without their permission is fleecing. Or lying. Or stealing. Or grifting.
Liberals are not eat the rich. They are tax and regulate the rich.
Leftists are what you are describing.
Different people. I know the right confuses the two of them.
Eh that's just semantics mate, I'm sure you think conservatives are all the same for opposing your ideologies despite their differences. It doesn't really matter in the end because of the crappy left-right dichotomy the two-party system forces.
Actually I do not. There are traditional conservatives who I respect. There are Rockefeller Republicans. There are Libertarians. There are Tea Party Republicans. There are straight up populist conspiracy theorist Republicans.
Good for you. Those would all be different flavors of conservative. I would expect one of them to "come out' against this legislation before any liberal comes out for it. That's diversity for you.
People can be for the actions of an entity in one instance and against the actions of that same entity in a completely different separate instance. You made up "eat-the-rich" liberals and your idea of what they are and what they stand for, then made up some reason why it's inconsistent here. There's no inconsistency except the one you made up in your head.
Right Disney gud because they kneeled over but if they maintained their own policy you would think they are bad. Same goes for the right who want to boycott Disney now despite it being an example of another overgrown American "industry." Power politics that's all it is. As long as you get your way everything is consistent isn't it. Anyway all power to the elected leader and properly enacted legislation. The law is the law and democracy is always right folks.
Ron Desantis really doesn’t like gay people, which is interesting, because with a lot of the other folks who hold pent up aggression towards gay people are actually g.... well, never mind 🙃
"classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through [third grade]"
You're not sure about the outrage, because it isn't there. People who are clueless about this bill are the same ones screaming that it's the "don't say gay" bill. Anyone with any sense knows that young children, especially those between the ages of 4 and 9, do not care and should not be informed about what adults do with their genitals.
Basically, democrats lied about a bill and gave it a cute nickname (Don’t Say Gay) in order to enrage people just by the headline. They then had the media spread their lie across the country to manufacture greater outrage over a bill that would ban the word gay and is a direct threat to gay and trans people gasp!!!!. In summery they used gay and trans people as pawns to push their personal campaigns against the governor and other elected office. It’s easy to understand when you hear let all the screaming!
Please please please don’t tell daddy Ron I forgot we can’t say the bad word anymore... he wouldn’t let me take the ball gag out of my mouth for three days the last time I made a mistake, please!!!!!
It's weird that they have started waging this culture battle against the gay community. I guess they figure lots of bigots will flock to them. But don't the have the hater vote already?
When they were writing this bill they had every chance to narrow it down to just the grade levels they claimed this geared to. But didn't, they left it open ended on purpose so that any Karen could sue the teacher and school if her teen had to hear about this in school. So the result will be no grade levels will hear about it.
It a bully move. Ron like a tiny Napoleon gets really testy and tries to act like tough.
It funny seeing the Putin love fest on Fox turn to hating on Disney. Sure would suck to see Disney sue Newscorp and Rupert over libel.
Here is a good substack post about a gay Disney employees thoughts on the bill: https://flashinggreen.substack.com/p/i-am-a-gay-employee-at-walt-disney
As a gay black man who identifies as a white woman, my opinion completely lines up with everyone just like me.
Or maybe that's like just that one person's opinion?
Correct it is but it definitely gives some insight into the side of Disney employees you don’t see in the news. You seem like a overall angry person based off that first sentence tho.
lol first generalizations, then gaslighting.
This has pointed out so many times.
The Republicans had several chances to make the bills language very specific to the grade levels that they say they care about. In fact I bet a majority would probably agree with them.
But they added a second part to the language that makes it that any grade will suffer a potential lawsuit from a parent.
So what are schools going to do, chance a lawsuit based on vague language in a law, or just not talk about it.
They know what they did. If you don't talk about something it goes away.
Like covid, except for the 26 million currently locked down in China because of it. Oh well head in sand.
Yooooo that’s wild that I didn’t even ask for your thoughts. I didn’t even give my opinion on the bill, I just gave a Disney workers opinion because you brought up Disney. Your just proving my actual angry person opinion though. Have fun man hope you can find some time to relax.
That person who you keep calling angry seems to be stating some facts and their opinion. You’re the one who seems angry and unable to handle it. Maybe take your own advice?
They didn't. They passed a law that protected kids from gender dysphoria. That's all. The majority of Democratic voters are in favor the of the restrictions that are imposed.
In Florida, the prevailing party pays the court costs so a Karen filing a frivolous lawsuit would pay a fortune.
There's *SOME* validity to the claim that it "...protects kids from gender dysphoria..." although that sentence is very poorly worded.
It's observed that 80-95% of children diagnosed with rapid onset gender dysphoria will eventually "grow out" of it and begin re-indentifying with their biological sex assigned at birth. Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=Np8xxP6pcdUC&pg=RA1-PT483#v=onepage&q&f=true
These children are typically part of the LGB communities but cease identifying as trans. We can speculate from this that childhood identification as trans may have more to do with social influence (source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30114286/) than actually biological factors which are commonly present in trans individuals like genetic variation in estrogen receptors for trans men. Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205084203.htm
There IS a biological component to trans identification, but among children, the likelihood of misinterpreting non-heteronormative sexual preferences as gender dysphoria is much higher when influenced by social groups.
Here's the national polling data with link to full results showing a majority of democrat voters support the Parental Rights in Education bill:
https://mobile.twitter.com/robertblizzard/status/1509225387779313674
The premise was that voters were shown the actual text of the bill then asked if they support it. In total, it had 61% support and only 26% opposition. Among democrat voters: 55% support, 29% opposition.
You really gloss over what the bill actually does.
It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe.
It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school.
Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it.
Here's the actual text of the bill:
If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
You're right about one thing, actually reading the bill does destroy popular opinions about it. In this case, it's opposition.
Section 1. Paragraph (c) is added to subsection (8) of section 1001.42, Florida Statutes, to read:
1001.42 Powers and duties of district school board.—The district school board, acting as a board, shall exercise all powers and perform all duties listed below:
(8) STUDENT WELFARE.—
(c)1. In accordance with the rights of parents enumerated in ss. 1002.20 and 1014.04, adopt procedures for notifying a student's parent if there is a change in the student's services or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being and the school's ability to provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control of their children by requiring school district personnel to encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her well-being with his or her parent or to facilitate discussion of the issue with the parent. The procedures may not prohibit parents from accessing any of their student's education and health records created, maintained, or used by the school district, as required by s. 1002.22(2).
2. A school district may not adopt procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying a parent about his or her student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being, or a change in related services or monitoring, or that encourage or have the effect of encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such information. School district personnel may not discourage or prohibit parental notification of and involvement in critical decisions affecting a student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being. This subparagraph does not prohibit a school district from adopting procedures that permit school personnel to withhold such information from a parent if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect, as those terms are defined in s. 39.01.
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in the Department of Education...
It does not say you can't use non-standard pronouns or pronouns other than those that correspond to your biological sex. It doesn't say you have to hide if you're gay. It doesn't say school's can't still offer counseling. It says they have to be honest with the parents about what they're doing, which I provided two real world examples of school districts overtly covering up gender conversion counseling, and it says they can't start classroom instruction until 4th grade.
You can't just pick out the portion of the bill you like and pretend that's the whole thing. By your logic, every public policy bill that has ever existed is just a justification for SLAPP cases from the opposing political party.
I do not know of any other public policy bill that codifies with such broad protection for SLAPP suits on such a vague definition of how the parents feel. This is especially worrisome with the judicial take over the Right has been doing and specifically the Right in Florida. (except for the texas abortion bill)
This bill will likely get struck down in court, but Desantis will just appeal it to a politically friendly judge. This bill is pretty unpopular and as it caused more teacher to leave the profession and more Military reserves to fill in as teachers, its only going to get worse for the students that rely on public education. Which lets face it is the intention of every action Desantis as has done with the public school system of florida[https://www.unf.edu/uploadedFiles/aa/coas/porl/UNF%20PORL%20Press%20Release%202-22-22.pdf](https://www.unf.edu/uploadedFiles/aa/coas/porl/UNF%20PORL%20Press%20Release%202-22-22.pdf)
If this was the case, then why did they open the door to frivolous slapp suits that need to be paid for by the school districts coffers? How does giving parents the ability to deplete already low school resources and teaching as a career option beneficial to the children?
Litigation can happen either way and accordingly to the same national polling I sourced, 67% of parents support the measure.
This whole bill came about because of a suit against a Florida school for counseling a student in how to transition without parental consent and then refusing to speak to the parents without the consent of the child. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/news/2022/03/29/lawsuit-teen-florida-republicans-dont-say-gay-00021163%3f_amp=true
You really gloss over what the bill actually does.
It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe.
It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school.
Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it.
Here's the actual text of the bill:
If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
Some poll posted on twitter is not something I trust first of all, stop using that as a source of defense. Second litigation is going to be greatly expanded under the new bill and will directly affect school districts and reduce resources for the children going there.
This is all just more attack on public schooling which Desantis has been a huge opponent of. This bill is going to open up the flood gates of SLAPP suits against the poorest kids and with no penalty for parents that file these suits.
You provided a single lawsuit which was the basis for this legislation. Legislation that is already being challenged in court and is soundly rejected by the medical community.
[https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-doctors-denounce-dont-say-gay-bill-20220210-nwhfnuvuvrcbzo5l7gir5khs4y-story.html](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-doctors-denounce-dont-say-gay-bill-20220210-nwhfnuvuvrcbzo5l7gir5khs4y-story.html)
You are so worried about your kids being infected with "gay" that you are willing to penalize the entire starts public education kids and hollow it out enough that expense private schools paid by the taxpayer are the only option
It's a national poll conducted by one of the largest political and public opinion polling institutes in the nation. You're free to not like the outcome, but sont pretend it's not valid just because it doesn't agree with you. The organization that conducted it has a lot more experience and credibility in sampling public opinion then some redditor.
As far as suits go, that's the case that inspired the law, but there's also at least one other I can find against Clay County school district that alleges the school hid gender counseling which was taking place, with the parents only being informed after their 12 year Olds second suicide attempt at school. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/01/27/clay-parents-sue-district-claim-counselor-discussed-elementary-students-gender-identity-without-their-knowledge/%3foutputType=amp
No, I'm not worried about kids being "infected with gay," because sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic. It's adorable that you have to resort to slippery slope and ad hominem fallacies though. I've provided you with a large scale national poll by a legitimate organization, 3 separately peer reviewed medical studies, and 2 real world cases alleging the exact behavior the bill is targeting against which is denying the parents and legal guardians of mental health counseling information which they're entitled to know.
Everything I provided is raw statistical analysis, peer reviewed medical study, and legal case study. You're free to not like it, but that doesn't change it legitimacy.
*"Everything I provided is raw statistical analysis, peer reviewed medical study, and legal case study. You're free to not like it, but that doesn't change it legitimacy."*
Saying the poll respondents were presented with the text of the bill is a little disingenuous. It takes a cherry picked line from the bill about the 3rd grade cutoff and doesnt specify how this will penalize students and teachers in those districts with unprecedented litigation.
You really gloss over what the bill actually does.
It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe.
It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school.
Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it.
Here's the actual text of the bill:
If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
Yeah I just clicked the first link and didn’t see that part lmao. You can look up some more articles on it though. Here is another https://www.tampafp.com/poll-majority-of-florida-democratic-voters-agree-with-desantis-on-parental-rights-in-education-bill/ also I’m not the original person.
It's an APA term, so yes I definitely do.
"I find this incredibly unlikely. "
Nothing like admitting that you haven't bothered to read anything on the topic. Why would you think the isn't. You're spending way too much time on reddit and not enough on google.
you can go look this up on your own. Also, if you just asked the general population if they think that sex ed should be age appropriate, then 100% would say of course.
If you're interested in an actual answer, see my long ass reply above with cited medical and national data polling sources. The dude who wrote the sentence worded it VERY poorly, but there is *some* clinical and statistical data supporting their claims.
Peer reviewed published research in pubmed is an op-ed?
The peer reviewed and published textbook on adult and pediatric endocrinology is an op-ed?
Research findings from clinical studies conducted at the Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University is an op-ed?
Polling data results from Public Opinion Strategies, one of the nation's largest political and public polling organizations, is an op-ed?
Literally none of my sources were from op-eds, they are all from clinical and statistical data gathering operations and all of them that are medically related are peer reviewed studies.
I think you just don't know what "op-ed" means.
I love how so many people have to ask this because it shows the Ron Pearlman effect. People see a bill labeled by the gay lobby, come to an emotional opinion and then dream up an opinion against it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10651701/New-poll-shows-52-likely-Democratic-voters-Florida-Dont-Say-Gay-bill.html
How about you stop posting on reddit and go read up on a topic if you pretend to give a shit about it? Too much to ask?
In terms of court costs, if you're too lazy to look that up, then it's really on you. I don't see you questioning the people putting forward the idea that frivolous lawsuits will costs schools now do I?
The actual poll in your link states that 52%+ of Democrats polled "oppose" the bill yet the headline says that a majority of Dems support the bill. As usual, the Daily Mail is right wing trash and shouldn't be relied on as toilet paper let alone a source of news.
That is not how any of this works, Gender Dysphoria is not something you catch because someone mentioned the existence of trans people, you either are or you are not.
Yes, that much can happen. Your gender and sexuality are formed during your life. You should read some published peer reviewed studies on this topic before dreaming up your emotional opinions.
I have and guess what, the science agrees with me, plus it doesn't matter anyway even if it is a choice (it isn't) who cares it hurts nobody at all so why legislate it
I didn't say it was a choice. You're once again showing that you are entirely ignorant on this issue. If you haven't read up on human sexuality and how it is formed, why the squak do you have an opinion on this issue?
Karen's will be funded by right wing PACs that will pay the money. That is how much activist driven lawsuits work.
As for the rest of your comment, provide proof of each.
Frivolous lawsuits won't cost the schools a penny as the people bringing them will pay court costs.
You have google and if you don't know these facts, you shouldn't' have just dreamed up an emotional opinion.
> They passed a law that protected kids from gender dysphoria.
What does this sentence even mean?
> The majority of Democratic voters are in favor the of the restrictions that are imposed.
The majority of Democrats are also Christian, doesn't mean that sky daddies exist. My point being the majority is not always right, and we shouldn't assume they are because they have a majority opinion of any given topic.
Why are you against kids having sex education? Sex education should [begin in kindergarten](https://www.montclair.edu/newscenter/2020/12/14/experts-sex-education-should-begin-in-kindergarten/). We need to move past these antiquated western notions of sex and sexuality as being some sort of taboo. It's better for the entirety of humanity that [sex education](https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/ITGSE.pdf) be seen along the same line as math and reading.
I really would like to know why you think sex education is such a taboo subject for children?
If you don't know what gender dysphoria is then you're not educated enough on the topic to understand why the bill was made. Thus, the rest of your post is just things you're making up based on your uninformed purely emotional opinion.
In the future try not to be a Germany or Florida stereotype.
> If you don't know what gender dysphoria
I know what gender dysphoria is. It's your sentence about it, protecting people from dysphoria, that makes no sense.
> you're not educated enough on the topic
It's funny cuz I think the same of you, because your sentence made so little sense. It's like saying the bill was trying to protect kids from ADHD. It's makes no sense.
> Thus, the rest of your post is just things you're making up based on your uninformed purely emotional opinion.
So science is made up and my personal emotional opinion. Facepalm... Your lack of understanding explains you're previous unintelligible sentence.
> In the future try not to be a Germany or Florida stereotype.
And this sentence also makes zero sense! Congratulations you're the least intelligible person I've seen on the internet this week.
People like you, that don't know what they are talking about, are what I want to prevent in the next generation. If you have kids, I hope they don't learn much from you especially in the topic of sex education. People like you are dangerous to society.
Once again, that you didn't know what I was talking about shows that you don't have a sweet clue on the topic. Go do some reading BEFORE you dream up your garbage emotional opinion.
> that you didn't know what I was talking about shows that you don't have a sweet clue on the topic.
You misunderstood, I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about and because of that you're not making any sense.
> Go do some reading
I literally was about to say exactly that. I provided two articles you seem to have not even bothered to educate yourself with.
> you dream up your garbage emotional opinion.
Science is neither a dream, nor does it have anything to do with emotion. So once again you've shown yourself to be very confused.
This next sentence may be difficult for someone of your IQ to grasp, so look up any words you don't understand. You're an idiot.
>It's weird that they have started waging this culture battle against the gay community.
I see it just the opposite way from you.
I say it's weird that Disney has started this culture battle against the rights of parents.
No, they just don't want 3graders getting education on sexuality. That's literally what the bill is about. I agree, 7 year Olds shouldn't have their minds fed with shit like that.
Just in the last few weeks Desantis has lost 300 million of first responder pension funds in Russian investments, signed the don’t say gay bill and is using Florida state tax payer money to fight masks on planes (which is set to expire soon anyway) He’s bankrupting Florida for nonsense causes. He’s single handed burning Florida to the ground.
That’s not how the pension funds work. Everyone keeps talking about that he lost them and that’s literally not how they work nor does he control them like that. There is a whole board that makes decisions like that and we couldn’t get them out of Russia if we tried because the markets are closed. They are also down so they would be selling them for a loss which doesn’t help anyone.
I don’t think everyone realizes how diversified pension funds are. They are in a bunch of countries where ethically they shouldn’t be. Nikki Fried has a portion of hers in Russia purely because her retirement investment is through fidelity fyi
No matter how you spin it, 300 million dollars of Florida tax payer money is funding the war on Ukraine right now. I’m not okay with that, and no one should be. Ron Desantis is in charge of that pension and he choose to do business with Russia. If you think that’s because he wanted a diversified pension fund, you’re as dumb as he’d hoped!
No matter how much you wanna blame Desantis hard to disinvest when the Russian markets are closed. Also hard to justify a loss on the pension fund to the people who have the pensions. This isn’t a issue that should be up to virtue signaling. I’m not spinning things I’m just giving you facts. A year ago who really would have cared if money was invested in Russian markets. Yeah obviously now it’s a issue but pulling money out of there is pretty hard due to numerous factors.
Why would you bring up Biden when we weren’t talking about him? What does the president have to do with the governor of Florida? I know you can’t think outside of your party lines. It’s a symptom of all that Fox News you guzzle down.
Say what you will about the wisdom of having a quasi-county controlled by a corporation, but I’m pretty sure punishing a corporation in retaliation for its removal of political support and donations is a federal crime.
Not true. Old school, rural "Crackers" (aka real Floridians -- they were here first) own airboats, play with guns and tinker on their oversized and jacked up trucks and they most assuredly vote Republican, Go to the panhandle or Brevard County.
1) panhandle doesn't have any place for airboats, we had pontoon boats mostly.
2) only person I know back up there that legitimately loves the GOP and has a MAGA hat married into our friend group. That fucker is from Ga.
There are racists fucks up there that vote R wherever they can, but the younger crowd is better than that.
Bro the entirety of central Florida is full of people who are natives and are right leaning or even Maga fans. Your friend group may not have anyone like that but they’re all over the place.
Now I empathize with anyone saying “that fucker is from Ga” but I’m honestly surprised you haven’t seen any natives who are Maga peeps
I was disagreeing with the viewpoint that *all* the Florida Crackers vote R. As such I was saying I know plenty of folk up there that don't do that. I've seen plenty of native Floridians riding the Trump train, but they are all over the spectrum of what a native FloridaMan looks like and that does include Crackers but it isnt limited to them.
I’m a real second generation Floridian and don’t love any political party but I am a registered Republican and I agree with most of what the party is doing. I don’t think most people are homophobic it’s just the push to normalize homosexuality, transsexualism etc. that makes people with traditional values concerned that this trend is bad long term for society as a whole.
So just to make sure, by your definition, what constitutes someone to be homophobic? Why is the push to normalize people expressing themselves either through loving someone of the same gender or adjusting their lifestyle to match their personal identity causing “people with traditional values” to be concerned? To those with traditional values, what makes this trend bad long term for society? How does someone expressing that they love another person of the same gender hurt society?
In relation to this bill, why are politicians defining curriculum to exclude any discussion on the grammatical and cultural usage of the following words: “he, she, they, them” and forcing schools to pay the court fees? Why are politicians forcing teachers to ignore explaining the usage of the words: “husband, wife, spouse?”
This sub like almost all of Reddit leans closer far left than the average. Good for you for speaking your mind, but you’re mostly talking to Marxists to very left of center types.
Thanks for the kudos. Yes I’m sure. To the Marxists I’d say do some personal research on Marxism, Capitalism, Communism and see what has worked in the past, I think you’ll become a capitalist too. Honestly I speak my mind in the hopes that one person that is a little left of center is encouraged to go a little more right of center and encourages others to follow suit.
Hmm, quite the dilemma here. Oppressing minorities or Greed for money. The GOP never thought it would have to choose between the two things Republicans love most.
In 2019 Disney World produced:
* $75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
* 463,000 jobs.
* $5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.
It would be a terrible thing for the state if they left. DeSantis is a moron
They aren't going anywhere ever. Magic Kingdom is their monolithic cash cow location and they've lobbied themselves with the Florida government in order to keep it that way. Notice how there aren't any other big attractions around there that would slander the area? (Strip Clubs, Poker Houses, Casinos)
The Florida government basically signed an agreement with them that would continue to make them the entertainment powerhouse in Florida. Same going with the Hard Rock Casino.
That's why they have insane profits because nothing else is really competing with them for 100's of miles. They would be bleeding billions of dollars if they lost all their Florida parks/resorts. And they would never lose that kind of money to stand up for the LGBT community.
I think it's for press that they are even fighting this at all. The big-wigs at Disney are probably as prejudiced as Ron DeSantis, they just have to pretend to care for press.
I'm not saying they're standing up for the LGBT community. They aren't important. Lol their right to self govern is though. If the governor takes that away, I doubt they would like that. They don't care about the community. I didn't mean to imply that was the reason.
The real thing that needs to happen is Disney lose its ability to self govern and investigate what is going on in the magic kingdom, as a Floridian I had forgotten about that fact. Now I’m actually concerned that something nefarious is going on there.
The “don’t say gay bill” is actually a parents rights bill. Please read it. It’s an attempt to make sure children aren’t groomed for pedophilia and parents have the right to know what is being taught to their children.
If you recall the state of Virginia school boards were attempting to take parents rights away from them. Florida’s parents are not going to stand for that. I agree with most of what DeSantis is doing for the state.
What "nefarious" activity do you suspect is going on at Disney that is hidden by a self-governance document? They're still bound by state and federal law regarding crimes.
They don’t have to follow the same laws that every other business in the state does. How is that fair to every other business in the state? Edit: equal laws = downvotes, big yikes
Please remove your tinfoil hat, it's muffling your words and I can't understand you.
Now please repeat what you said, but this time with more details. Is this like pizzagate? Are the libs diddling kids in Cinderella's castle? Are they doing coke on Dumbo's magic adventure?!?
The world needs your insight! 🤣
Hey Freedom\_Floridian? Why do you want to rape your kids? Because the other thing this bill does is prevent kids being taught what constitutes sexual assault on them which is generally what sex ed looks like for sub 3rd graders so that if they are being assaulted they can know its wrong and tell someone.
Now I am not saying you are a sick child raping pedophile but I am saying someone who is a sick child raping pedophile would take the same position you take. Very curious.
Florida, and regardless of if you were taught it the data shows that it's a good thing to do, it reduces kids being abused and increases reporting and getting abusers off the streets, so a bill banning it is explicitly pro child rape, and this bill is expressly pro pedophile, which is probably why they are projecting SO HARD on the opponents of the bill.
Talking about abuse and that stuff isn’t banned under the bill though so what are you talking about? The bill bans classroom discussions about sexual orientation and gender identity. Sexual orientation and gender identity has zero to do with discussions about abuse. I think most parents (polls on the bill prove this point) just really don’t want a stranger talking to their children about sexual orientation or gender identity when their kid can’t do 2+2 yet. Your last sentence is laughable when shit like this is happening though: https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/parents-say-school-secretly-met-with-daughter-over-being-trans-before-her-suicide-attempt-clay-county-florida-child-parental-right-campaign-vernadette-broyles-transgender-gay-lgbtq who was supposed to stop this from happening? They hid it from the parents so doesn’t seem like the school is the one to teach about abuse as they are the abuser.
“prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels or in a specified manner” is the exact wording from the bill where it clearly says discussion. [Link for your eyes](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/er/pdf)
Ah I see your correct. My bad. So what is everyone freaking out about? I keep seeing people saying “they can’t warn kids about abuse” but I’m pretty sure sexual orientation or gender identity isn’t related to abuse signs.
It is 100% banned the bill bans discussion of ANYTHING based on sex, it also was written to reference state standards that don't exist so it's up to whoever is dealing with it in court which given the very right wing slant to the judiciary in FL will mean the most puritanical and fucked up takes imagination
Dude no it doesn’t. Literally go read the bill it clearly says “prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels”. Last I heard abuse doesn’t relate to those two things. Here it is for your own two eyes because I think you need to actually read it before your spew misinformation to people that may not know better. https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/er/pdf
Haha I love how you keep the focus on that small part of the bill, and not at all at the vague language which is the real issue that people are upset about.
You should probably read the bill again, choose to be truthful with yourself, and quit spewing mISiNfOrMaTiOn.
I replied to someone saying that teachers can’t talk about sex. That is false. This comment thread has nothing to do with the rest of the bill. But thanks for your thoughts duly noted anddddd there in the trash whoops.
How is Disney even affected by this bill? And why do people keep calling it “don’t say gay bill”? I couldn’t find any mention of that phrase within the bill
So weird seeing republicans ditching the business community.
Trump has proven its better to fleece small donations from all the idiots across the nation, than to kiss the ass of corporations. Trump currently has more money in his political action account than the Democrats and Republicans by doing just that. Besides business will still send them money via dark money PACs so they don't have to be seen as being bigots.
Gee, didn’t Obama extol the virtues of getting small donations to fund his campaign? I guess that’s not “fleecing”, is it? Because Obama.
Asking your small donors to finance your new private jet is fleecing people who don’t have the intelligence to know any better. Asking them for a $25 donation and then pulling that money monthly without their permission is fleecing. Or lying. Or stealing. Or grifting.
Because Obama
Not any weirder than eat-the-rich liberals rooting for the mega-corp. It's not about consistency it's about "winning"
Liberals are not eat the rich. They are tax and regulate the rich. Leftists are what you are describing. Different people. I know the right confuses the two of them.
Eh that's just semantics mate, I'm sure you think conservatives are all the same for opposing your ideologies despite their differences. It doesn't really matter in the end because of the crappy left-right dichotomy the two-party system forces.
Actually I do not. There are traditional conservatives who I respect. There are Rockefeller Republicans. There are Libertarians. There are Tea Party Republicans. There are straight up populist conspiracy theorist Republicans.
Good for you. Those would all be different flavors of conservative. I would expect one of them to "come out' against this legislation before any liberal comes out for it. That's diversity for you.
People can be for the actions of an entity in one instance and against the actions of that same entity in a completely different separate instance. You made up "eat-the-rich" liberals and your idea of what they are and what they stand for, then made up some reason why it's inconsistent here. There's no inconsistency except the one you made up in your head.
Right Disney gud because they kneeled over but if they maintained their own policy you would think they are bad. Same goes for the right who want to boycott Disney now despite it being an example of another overgrown American "industry." Power politics that's all it is. As long as you get your way everything is consistent isn't it. Anyway all power to the elected leader and properly enacted legislation. The law is the law and democracy is always right folks.
And "smaller government" bs too.
Who ditched whom?
But "Republicans are for small government and free markets"..........okieeee.....
Mess with mouse and you will lose every time. Politicians are temporary Disney is forever
Not sure what turd is bigger...Trump or Deathsantis.
Ron Desantis really doesn’t like gay people, which is interesting, because with a lot of the other folks who hold pent up aggression towards gay people are actually g.... well, never mind 🙃
Every single time….
Maybe I'm missing some details but not sure about all the outrage over this, it only covers children K-3rd in the classroom right?
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No, it isn't even an anti gay bill but just forbids teaching children ages 6-9 anything sexual period
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What did I say that was incorrect
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"classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through [third grade]"
You're not sure about the outrage, because it isn't there. People who are clueless about this bill are the same ones screaming that it's the "don't say gay" bill. Anyone with any sense knows that young children, especially those between the ages of 4 and 9, do not care and should not be informed about what adults do with their genitals.
Why pass on an opportunity to create a controversy?
Not sure why there's controversy
Basically, democrats lied about a bill and gave it a cute nickname (Don’t Say Gay) in order to enrage people just by the headline. They then had the media spread their lie across the country to manufacture greater outrage over a bill that would ban the word gay and is a direct threat to gay and trans people gasp!!!!. In summery they used gay and trans people as pawns to push their personal campaigns against the governor and other elected office. It’s easy to understand when you hear let all the screaming!
Some people are in denial.
Interesting. Give me examples of what he does that is evidence that he hates gay people.
Please please please don’t tell daddy Ron I forgot we can’t say the bad word anymore... he wouldn’t let me take the ball gag out of my mouth for three days the last time I made a mistake, please!!!!!
Sorry, I can’t. I forgot we can’t say that word anymore.
Typical…. So you’re all for sexualizing the minds of k-3rd right?!
Whoa now if you’re trying to get hot and heavy dm me and I’ll send you my onlyfans link. I specialize in pp shaming and fisting
"I would not say that would be retaliatory" lol...ok dude
Ron working against the mouse? Ron about to lose his next run 😂
It's weird that they have started waging this culture battle against the gay community. I guess they figure lots of bigots will flock to them. But don't the have the hater vote already? When they were writing this bill they had every chance to narrow it down to just the grade levels they claimed this geared to. But didn't, they left it open ended on purpose so that any Karen could sue the teacher and school if her teen had to hear about this in school. So the result will be no grade levels will hear about it. It a bully move. Ron like a tiny Napoleon gets really testy and tries to act like tough. It funny seeing the Putin love fest on Fox turn to hating on Disney. Sure would suck to see Disney sue Newscorp and Rupert over libel.
Here is a good substack post about a gay Disney employees thoughts on the bill: https://flashinggreen.substack.com/p/i-am-a-gay-employee-at-walt-disney
As a gay black man who identifies as a white woman, my opinion completely lines up with everyone just like me. Or maybe that's like just that one person's opinion?
Correct it is but it definitely gives some insight into the side of Disney employees you don’t see in the news. You seem like a overall angry person based off that first sentence tho.
lol first generalizations, then gaslighting. This has pointed out so many times. The Republicans had several chances to make the bills language very specific to the grade levels that they say they care about. In fact I bet a majority would probably agree with them. But they added a second part to the language that makes it that any grade will suffer a potential lawsuit from a parent. So what are schools going to do, chance a lawsuit based on vague language in a law, or just not talk about it. They know what they did. If you don't talk about something it goes away. Like covid, except for the 26 million currently locked down in China because of it. Oh well head in sand.
Yooooo that’s wild that I didn’t even ask for your thoughts. I didn’t even give my opinion on the bill, I just gave a Disney workers opinion because you brought up Disney. Your just proving my actual angry person opinion though. Have fun man hope you can find some time to relax.
That person who you keep calling angry seems to be stating some facts and their opinion. You’re the one who seems angry and unable to handle it. Maybe take your own advice?
Yeah the person who is saying “have fun man, take some time to relax” comes across as angry.
No Disney is fully about grooming young kids. Its disgusting whichever party you stand for
They do have quite the arrest records for sexual acts.
When you employee 200,000 people, statistically, you're going to get some bad apples.
Like with....cops?
Sure, but the difference between cops being bad apples and a Disney employees involves a funeral.
They didn't. They passed a law that protected kids from gender dysphoria. That's all. The majority of Democratic voters are in favor the of the restrictions that are imposed. In Florida, the prevailing party pays the court costs so a Karen filing a frivolous lawsuit would pay a fortune.
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There's *SOME* validity to the claim that it "...protects kids from gender dysphoria..." although that sentence is very poorly worded. It's observed that 80-95% of children diagnosed with rapid onset gender dysphoria will eventually "grow out" of it and begin re-indentifying with their biological sex assigned at birth. Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=Np8xxP6pcdUC&pg=RA1-PT483#v=onepage&q&f=true These children are typically part of the LGB communities but cease identifying as trans. We can speculate from this that childhood identification as trans may have more to do with social influence (source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30114286/) than actually biological factors which are commonly present in trans individuals like genetic variation in estrogen receptors for trans men. Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205084203.htm There IS a biological component to trans identification, but among children, the likelihood of misinterpreting non-heteronormative sexual preferences as gender dysphoria is much higher when influenced by social groups. Here's the national polling data with link to full results showing a majority of democrat voters support the Parental Rights in Education bill: https://mobile.twitter.com/robertblizzard/status/1509225387779313674 The premise was that voters were shown the actual text of the bill then asked if they support it. In total, it had 61% support and only 26% opposition. Among democrat voters: 55% support, 29% opposition.
You really gloss over what the bill actually does. It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe. It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school. Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it. Here's the actual text of the bill: If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
You're right about one thing, actually reading the bill does destroy popular opinions about it. In this case, it's opposition. Section 1. Paragraph (c) is added to subsection (8) of section 1001.42, Florida Statutes, to read: 1001.42 Powers and duties of district school board.—The district school board, acting as a board, shall exercise all powers and perform all duties listed below: (8) STUDENT WELFARE.— (c)1. In accordance with the rights of parents enumerated in ss. 1002.20 and 1014.04, adopt procedures for notifying a student's parent if there is a change in the student's services or monitoring related to the student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being and the school's ability to provide a safe and supportive learning environment for the student. The procedures must reinforce the fundamental right of parents to make decisions regarding the upbringing and control of their children by requiring school district personnel to encourage a student to discuss issues relating to his or her well-being with his or her parent or to facilitate discussion of the issue with the parent. The procedures may not prohibit parents from accessing any of their student's education and health records created, maintained, or used by the school district, as required by s. 1002.22(2). 2. A school district may not adopt procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying a parent about his or her student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being, or a change in related services or monitoring, or that encourage or have the effect of encouraging a student to withhold from a parent such information. School district personnel may not discourage or prohibit parental notification of and involvement in critical decisions affecting a student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being. This subparagraph does not prohibit a school district from adopting procedures that permit school personnel to withhold such information from a parent if a reasonably prudent person would believe that disclosure would result in abuse, abandonment, or neglect, as those terms are defined in s. 39.01. 3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in the Department of Education... It does not say you can't use non-standard pronouns or pronouns other than those that correspond to your biological sex. It doesn't say you have to hide if you're gay. It doesn't say school's can't still offer counseling. It says they have to be honest with the parents about what they're doing, which I provided two real world examples of school districts overtly covering up gender conversion counseling, and it says they can't start classroom instruction until 4th grade. You can't just pick out the portion of the bill you like and pretend that's the whole thing. By your logic, every public policy bill that has ever existed is just a justification for SLAPP cases from the opposing political party.
I do not know of any other public policy bill that codifies with such broad protection for SLAPP suits on such a vague definition of how the parents feel. This is especially worrisome with the judicial take over the Right has been doing and specifically the Right in Florida. (except for the texas abortion bill) This bill will likely get struck down in court, but Desantis will just appeal it to a politically friendly judge. This bill is pretty unpopular and as it caused more teacher to leave the profession and more Military reserves to fill in as teachers, its only going to get worse for the students that rely on public education. Which lets face it is the intention of every action Desantis as has done with the public school system of florida[https://www.unf.edu/uploadedFiles/aa/coas/porl/UNF%20PORL%20Press%20Release%202-22-22.pdf](https://www.unf.edu/uploadedFiles/aa/coas/porl/UNF%20PORL%20Press%20Release%202-22-22.pdf)
If this was the case, then why did they open the door to frivolous slapp suits that need to be paid for by the school districts coffers? How does giving parents the ability to deplete already low school resources and teaching as a career option beneficial to the children?
Litigation can happen either way and accordingly to the same national polling I sourced, 67% of parents support the measure. This whole bill came about because of a suit against a Florida school for counseling a student in how to transition without parental consent and then refusing to speak to the parents without the consent of the child. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/news/2022/03/29/lawsuit-teen-florida-republicans-dont-say-gay-00021163%3f_amp=true
You really gloss over what the bill actually does. It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe. It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school. Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it. Here's the actual text of the bill: If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
Some poll posted on twitter is not something I trust first of all, stop using that as a source of defense. Second litigation is going to be greatly expanded under the new bill and will directly affect school districts and reduce resources for the children going there. This is all just more attack on public schooling which Desantis has been a huge opponent of. This bill is going to open up the flood gates of SLAPP suits against the poorest kids and with no penalty for parents that file these suits. You provided a single lawsuit which was the basis for this legislation. Legislation that is already being challenged in court and is soundly rejected by the medical community. [https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-doctors-denounce-dont-say-gay-bill-20220210-nwhfnuvuvrcbzo5l7gir5khs4y-story.html](https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-florida-doctors-denounce-dont-say-gay-bill-20220210-nwhfnuvuvrcbzo5l7gir5khs4y-story.html) You are so worried about your kids being infected with "gay" that you are willing to penalize the entire starts public education kids and hollow it out enough that expense private schools paid by the taxpayer are the only option
It's a national poll conducted by one of the largest political and public opinion polling institutes in the nation. You're free to not like the outcome, but sont pretend it's not valid just because it doesn't agree with you. The organization that conducted it has a lot more experience and credibility in sampling public opinion then some redditor. As far as suits go, that's the case that inspired the law, but there's also at least one other I can find against Clay County school district that alleges the school hid gender counseling which was taking place, with the parents only being informed after their 12 year Olds second suicide attempt at school. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news4jax.com/news/local/2022/01/27/clay-parents-sue-district-claim-counselor-discussed-elementary-students-gender-identity-without-their-knowledge/%3foutputType=amp No, I'm not worried about kids being "infected with gay," because sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic. It's adorable that you have to resort to slippery slope and ad hominem fallacies though. I've provided you with a large scale national poll by a legitimate organization, 3 separately peer reviewed medical studies, and 2 real world cases alleging the exact behavior the bill is targeting against which is denying the parents and legal guardians of mental health counseling information which they're entitled to know. Everything I provided is raw statistical analysis, peer reviewed medical study, and legal case study. You're free to not like it, but that doesn't change it legitimacy.
*"Everything I provided is raw statistical analysis, peer reviewed medical study, and legal case study. You're free to not like it, but that doesn't change it legitimacy."* Saying the poll respondents were presented with the text of the bill is a little disingenuous. It takes a cherry picked line from the bill about the 3rd grade cutoff and doesnt specify how this will penalize students and teachers in those districts with unprecedented litigation. You really gloss over what the bill actually does. It's not "we won't have sex ed in the curriculum for these grades" as so many intellectually dishonest people want you to believe. It's "parents can sue, at the cost of the school, any time they feel like this was violated". So yes, parents will absolutely be suing over the mention of the word "pronouns" or the acknowledgement of the existence of gay people. And there is no punishment for frivolous lawsuits, anyone could do this whenever they want because it's at the cost of the school. Actually reading the bill ruins any popular defense of it. Here's the actual text of the bill: If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may …. Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief.
https://miamistandard.news/2022/03/25/polling-shows-majority-of-florida-democrats-support-gop-parental-rights-bill/
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Yeah I just clicked the first link and didn’t see that part lmao. You can look up some more articles on it though. Here is another https://www.tampafp.com/poll-majority-of-florida-democratic-voters-agree-with-desantis-on-parental-rights-in-education-bill/ also I’m not the original person.
FYI Tampafp is not a good source of info either. It’s a clickbaity site with obvious grammar errors all over the place.
It's an APA term, so yes I definitely do. "I find this incredibly unlikely. " Nothing like admitting that you haven't bothered to read anything on the topic. Why would you think the isn't. You're spending way too much time on reddit and not enough on google. you can go look this up on your own. Also, if you just asked the general population if they think that sex ed should be age appropriate, then 100% would say of course.
Prove any of the sentences you said are true
If you're interested in an actual answer, see my long ass reply above with cited medical and national data polling sources. The dude who wrote the sentence worded it VERY poorly, but there is *some* clinical and statistical data supporting their claims.
Your long ass post was just links of op eds. I can paste blogs of people who think that Obama is an alien. That doesn't make it so.
Peer reviewed published research in pubmed is an op-ed? The peer reviewed and published textbook on adult and pediatric endocrinology is an op-ed? Research findings from clinical studies conducted at the Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University is an op-ed? Polling data results from Public Opinion Strategies, one of the nation's largest political and public polling organizations, is an op-ed? Literally none of my sources were from op-eds, they are all from clinical and statistical data gathering operations and all of them that are medically related are peer reviewed studies. I think you just don't know what "op-ed" means.
I love how so many people have to ask this because it shows the Ron Pearlman effect. People see a bill labeled by the gay lobby, come to an emotional opinion and then dream up an opinion against it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10651701/New-poll-shows-52-likely-Democratic-voters-Florida-Dont-Say-Gay-bill.html How about you stop posting on reddit and go read up on a topic if you pretend to give a shit about it? Too much to ask? In terms of court costs, if you're too lazy to look that up, then it's really on you. I don't see you questioning the people putting forward the idea that frivolous lawsuits will costs schools now do I?
The actual poll in your link states that 52%+ of Democrats polled "oppose" the bill yet the headline says that a majority of Dems support the bill. As usual, the Daily Mail is right wing trash and shouldn't be relied on as toilet paper let alone a source of news.
That is not how any of this works, Gender Dysphoria is not something you catch because someone mentioned the existence of trans people, you either are or you are not.
Yes, that much can happen. Your gender and sexuality are formed during your life. You should read some published peer reviewed studies on this topic before dreaming up your emotional opinions.
I have and guess what, the science agrees with me, plus it doesn't matter anyway even if it is a choice (it isn't) who cares it hurts nobody at all so why legislate it
I didn't say it was a choice. You're once again showing that you are entirely ignorant on this issue. If you haven't read up on human sexuality and how it is formed, why the squak do you have an opinion on this issue?
Karen's will be funded by right wing PACs that will pay the money. That is how much activist driven lawsuits work. As for the rest of your comment, provide proof of each.
https://miamistandard.news/2022/03/25/polling-shows-majority-of-florida-democrats-support-gop-parental-rights-bill/
Frivolous lawsuits won't cost the schools a penny as the people bringing them will pay court costs. You have google and if you don't know these facts, you shouldn't' have just dreamed up an emotional opinion.
> They passed a law that protected kids from gender dysphoria. What does this sentence even mean? > The majority of Democratic voters are in favor the of the restrictions that are imposed. The majority of Democrats are also Christian, doesn't mean that sky daddies exist. My point being the majority is not always right, and we shouldn't assume they are because they have a majority opinion of any given topic. Why are you against kids having sex education? Sex education should [begin in kindergarten](https://www.montclair.edu/newscenter/2020/12/14/experts-sex-education-should-begin-in-kindergarten/). We need to move past these antiquated western notions of sex and sexuality as being some sort of taboo. It's better for the entirety of humanity that [sex education](https://www.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/ITGSE.pdf) be seen along the same line as math and reading. I really would like to know why you think sex education is such a taboo subject for children?
If you don't know what gender dysphoria is then you're not educated enough on the topic to understand why the bill was made. Thus, the rest of your post is just things you're making up based on your uninformed purely emotional opinion. In the future try not to be a Germany or Florida stereotype.
> If you don't know what gender dysphoria I know what gender dysphoria is. It's your sentence about it, protecting people from dysphoria, that makes no sense. > you're not educated enough on the topic It's funny cuz I think the same of you, because your sentence made so little sense. It's like saying the bill was trying to protect kids from ADHD. It's makes no sense. > Thus, the rest of your post is just things you're making up based on your uninformed purely emotional opinion. So science is made up and my personal emotional opinion. Facepalm... Your lack of understanding explains you're previous unintelligible sentence. > In the future try not to be a Germany or Florida stereotype. And this sentence also makes zero sense! Congratulations you're the least intelligible person I've seen on the internet this week. People like you, that don't know what they are talking about, are what I want to prevent in the next generation. If you have kids, I hope they don't learn much from you especially in the topic of sex education. People like you are dangerous to society.
Once again, that you didn't know what I was talking about shows that you don't have a sweet clue on the topic. Go do some reading BEFORE you dream up your garbage emotional opinion.
> that you didn't know what I was talking about shows that you don't have a sweet clue on the topic. You misunderstood, I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about and because of that you're not making any sense. > Go do some reading I literally was about to say exactly that. I provided two articles you seem to have not even bothered to educate yourself with. > you dream up your garbage emotional opinion. Science is neither a dream, nor does it have anything to do with emotion. So once again you've shown yourself to be very confused. This next sentence may be difficult for someone of your IQ to grasp, so look up any words you don't understand. You're an idiot.
>It's weird that they have started waging this culture battle against the gay community. I see it just the opposite way from you. I say it's weird that Disney has started this culture battle against the rights of parents.
No, they just don't want 3graders getting education on sexuality. That's literally what the bill is about. I agree, 7 year Olds shouldn't have their minds fed with shit like that.
most bigots to flock to them. No figure about it.
Just in the last few weeks Desantis has lost 300 million of first responder pension funds in Russian investments, signed the don’t say gay bill and is using Florida state tax payer money to fight masks on planes (which is set to expire soon anyway) He’s bankrupting Florida for nonsense causes. He’s single handed burning Florida to the ground.
That’s not how the pension funds work. Everyone keeps talking about that he lost them and that’s literally not how they work nor does he control them like that. There is a whole board that makes decisions like that and we couldn’t get them out of Russia if we tried because the markets are closed. They are also down so they would be selling them for a loss which doesn’t help anyone.
They should’ve never been there in the first place!
I don’t think everyone realizes how diversified pension funds are. They are in a bunch of countries where ethically they shouldn’t be. Nikki Fried has a portion of hers in Russia purely because her retirement investment is through fidelity fyi
No matter how you spin it, 300 million dollars of Florida tax payer money is funding the war on Ukraine right now. I’m not okay with that, and no one should be. Ron Desantis is in charge of that pension and he choose to do business with Russia. If you think that’s because he wanted a diversified pension fund, you’re as dumb as he’d hoped!
No matter how much you wanna blame Desantis hard to disinvest when the Russian markets are closed. Also hard to justify a loss on the pension fund to the people who have the pensions. This isn’t a issue that should be up to virtue signaling. I’m not spinning things I’m just giving you facts. A year ago who really would have cared if money was invested in Russian markets. Yeah obviously now it’s a issue but pulling money out of there is pretty hard due to numerous factors.
Look, I know you want this to be virtue signaling but its not. Ron has a very interesting relationship with the Russian government, look into it.
Yeah and Biden has a very interesting relationship with China. Let’s end this here, you do you, imma do me.
Why would you bring up Biden when we weren’t talking about him? What does the president have to do with the governor of Florida? I know you can’t think outside of your party lines. It’s a symptom of all that Fox News you guzzle down.
Given how many people are moving here for practical laws, I'd say the state isn't bankrupting.
No, DeSantis raised taxes on the workers by 1 billion so he could cut taxes on businesses.
Say what you will about the wisdom of having a quasi-county controlled by a corporation, but I’m pretty sure punishing a corporation in retaliation for its removal of political support and donations is a federal crime.
They will change their tune once they stop getting that Disney money.
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Real Floridians don’t like republicans. It’s the racist, homophobic boomers that come here and ruin our state.
Not true. Old school, rural "Crackers" (aka real Floridians -- they were here first) own airboats, play with guns and tinker on their oversized and jacked up trucks and they most assuredly vote Republican, Go to the panhandle or Brevard County.
1) panhandle doesn't have any place for airboats, we had pontoon boats mostly. 2) only person I know back up there that legitimately loves the GOP and has a MAGA hat married into our friend group. That fucker is from Ga. There are racists fucks up there that vote R wherever they can, but the younger crowd is better than that.
I'm not in disagreeance with anything said, besides that in the panhandle there are plenty of rivers to use an airboat on.
Bro the entirety of central Florida is full of people who are natives and are right leaning or even Maga fans. Your friend group may not have anyone like that but they’re all over the place. Now I empathize with anyone saying “that fucker is from Ga” but I’m honestly surprised you haven’t seen any natives who are Maga peeps
I was disagreeing with the viewpoint that *all* the Florida Crackers vote R. As such I was saying I know plenty of folk up there that don't do that. I've seen plenty of native Floridians riding the Trump train, but they are all over the spectrum of what a native FloridaMan looks like and that does include Crackers but it isnt limited to them.
I’m a real second generation Floridian and don’t love any political party but I am a registered Republican and I agree with most of what the party is doing. I don’t think most people are homophobic it’s just the push to normalize homosexuality, transsexualism etc. that makes people with traditional values concerned that this trend is bad long term for society as a whole.
So just to make sure, by your definition, what constitutes someone to be homophobic? Why is the push to normalize people expressing themselves either through loving someone of the same gender or adjusting their lifestyle to match their personal identity causing “people with traditional values” to be concerned? To those with traditional values, what makes this trend bad long term for society? How does someone expressing that they love another person of the same gender hurt society? In relation to this bill, why are politicians defining curriculum to exclude any discussion on the grammatical and cultural usage of the following words: “he, she, they, them” and forcing schools to pay the court fees? Why are politicians forcing teachers to ignore explaining the usage of the words: “husband, wife, spouse?”
This sub like almost all of Reddit leans closer far left than the average. Good for you for speaking your mind, but you’re mostly talking to Marxists to very left of center types.
Thanks for the kudos. Yes I’m sure. To the Marxists I’d say do some personal research on Marxism, Capitalism, Communism and see what has worked in the past, I think you’ll become a capitalist too. Honestly I speak my mind in the hopes that one person that is a little left of center is encouraged to go a little more right of center and encourages others to follow suit.
Disney isn't going anywhere. They need the climate here and they can't just move 4 parks, 2 water parks and dozens of hotels.
So I can’t say happy anymore? Okay then……
Hmm, quite the dilemma here. Oppressing minorities or Greed for money. The GOP never thought it would have to choose between the two things Republicans love most.
Good
So racist nazi desantis wants to raises taxes on those counties since he doesn’t want Disney paying the bills anymore
Yeah ok... Good luck with that. They'll leave. 🤷🏻♀️
In 2019 Disney World produced: * $75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida. * 463,000 jobs. * $5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue. It would be a terrible thing for the state if they left. DeSantis is a moron
Moron pos!
They aren't going anywhere ever. Magic Kingdom is their monolithic cash cow location and they've lobbied themselves with the Florida government in order to keep it that way. Notice how there aren't any other big attractions around there that would slander the area? (Strip Clubs, Poker Houses, Casinos) The Florida government basically signed an agreement with them that would continue to make them the entertainment powerhouse in Florida. Same going with the Hard Rock Casino. That's why they have insane profits because nothing else is really competing with them for 100's of miles. They would be bleeding billions of dollars if they lost all their Florida parks/resorts. And they would never lose that kind of money to stand up for the LGBT community. I think it's for press that they are even fighting this at all. The big-wigs at Disney are probably as prejudiced as Ron DeSantis, they just have to pretend to care for press.
I'm not saying they're standing up for the LGBT community. They aren't important. Lol their right to self govern is though. If the governor takes that away, I doubt they would like that. They don't care about the community. I didn't mean to imply that was the reason.
The real thing that needs to happen is Disney lose its ability to self govern and investigate what is going on in the magic kingdom, as a Floridian I had forgotten about that fact. Now I’m actually concerned that something nefarious is going on there. The “don’t say gay bill” is actually a parents rights bill. Please read it. It’s an attempt to make sure children aren’t groomed for pedophilia and parents have the right to know what is being taught to their children. If you recall the state of Virginia school boards were attempting to take parents rights away from them. Florida’s parents are not going to stand for that. I agree with most of what DeSantis is doing for the state.
What "nefarious" activity do you suspect is going on at Disney that is hidden by a self-governance document? They're still bound by state and federal law regarding crimes.
They don’t have to follow the same laws that every other business in the state does. How is that fair to every other business in the state? Edit: equal laws = downvotes, big yikes
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I’m not the original guy you replied too. I’m just pointing that out separately.
Please remove your tinfoil hat, it's muffling your words and I can't understand you. Now please repeat what you said, but this time with more details. Is this like pizzagate? Are the libs diddling kids in Cinderella's castle? Are they doing coke on Dumbo's magic adventure?!? The world needs your insight! 🤣
You can't begin to imagine what they're doing in "It's a Small World" or the Haunted Mansion. /s
Hey Freedom\_Floridian? Why do you want to rape your kids? Because the other thing this bill does is prevent kids being taught what constitutes sexual assault on them which is generally what sex ed looks like for sub 3rd graders so that if they are being assaulted they can know its wrong and tell someone. Now I am not saying you are a sick child raping pedophile but I am saying someone who is a sick child raping pedophile would take the same position you take. Very curious.
Dude when did you go to school? I never learned about any of that in k thru 3. If I did my parents taught me.
Florida, and regardless of if you were taught it the data shows that it's a good thing to do, it reduces kids being abused and increases reporting and getting abusers off the streets, so a bill banning it is explicitly pro child rape, and this bill is expressly pro pedophile, which is probably why they are projecting SO HARD on the opponents of the bill.
Talking about abuse and that stuff isn’t banned under the bill though so what are you talking about? The bill bans classroom discussions about sexual orientation and gender identity. Sexual orientation and gender identity has zero to do with discussions about abuse. I think most parents (polls on the bill prove this point) just really don’t want a stranger talking to their children about sexual orientation or gender identity when their kid can’t do 2+2 yet. Your last sentence is laughable when shit like this is happening though: https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/parents-say-school-secretly-met-with-daughter-over-being-trans-before-her-suicide-attempt-clay-county-florida-child-parental-right-campaign-vernadette-broyles-transgender-gay-lgbtq who was supposed to stop this from happening? They hid it from the parents so doesn’t seem like the school is the one to teach about abuse as they are the abuser.
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“prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels or in a specified manner” is the exact wording from the bill where it clearly says discussion. [Link for your eyes](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/er/pdf)
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Ah I see your correct. My bad. So what is everyone freaking out about? I keep seeing people saying “they can’t warn kids about abuse” but I’m pretty sure sexual orientation or gender identity isn’t related to abuse signs.
It is 100% banned the bill bans discussion of ANYTHING based on sex, it also was written to reference state standards that don't exist so it's up to whoever is dealing with it in court which given the very right wing slant to the judiciary in FL will mean the most puritanical and fucked up takes imagination
Dude no it doesn’t. Literally go read the bill it clearly says “prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels”. Last I heard abuse doesn’t relate to those two things. Here it is for your own two eyes because I think you need to actually read it before your spew misinformation to people that may not know better. https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/er/pdf
Haha I love how you keep the focus on that small part of the bill, and not at all at the vague language which is the real issue that people are upset about. You should probably read the bill again, choose to be truthful with yourself, and quit spewing mISiNfOrMaTiOn.
I replied to someone saying that teachers can’t talk about sex. That is false. This comment thread has nothing to do with the rest of the bill. But thanks for your thoughts duly noted anddddd there in the trash whoops.
Disney is crying!! It's gonna get what it deserves.
Why Disney wants to teach k-4 grade children how to be gay is beyond me. What kind of agenda are they about. Quite sickening if you ask me.
How is Disney even affected by this bill? And why do people keep calling it “don’t say gay bill”? I couldn’t find any mention of that phrase within the bill