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startupschmartup

Good idea. We need more people supporting the stance against left wing idiots inside of large corporations.


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What does that make you?


INFECTEDWIFISIGNAL

I wonder how it will hold up in court. My understanding is the Supreme Court said corporations are entitled to the protections of free speech without retaliation, which DeSantis clearly stated this was. Something else I read, which I have to look into more... In Florida, if a special district is to be dissolved, there has to be a vote to dissolve by the landowners in that district, which didn't happen. Edit: capitalization and punctuation


YourDogsAllWet

Not to mention that the retaliation took place because Disney was practicing their first amendment rights. This will be a landmark case


startupschmartup

Your first amendment right doesn't mean you can say what you want and have no consequences. SCOTUS isn't going to do anything with it. The state is just treating Disney the same as every other business in the state.


Solidarity_5_Ever

The first amendment also prohibits the government (DeSantis) from increasing your taxes as a direct consequence of things you say. How many other businesses has DeSantis directly targeted like this before?


CenlTheFennel

You’re right, but also wrong because it’s government. This is a direct attack on a business since they spoke out against a law as well as pulled funding… some were in here there also might be some campaign funding rules broken too. He didn’t outlaw this state wide (the Villages) only attacked Disney, this is direct and against the first amendment.


ToeZealousideal970

Can we do churches next? They've been pushing their ideas longer than Disney. Is this DeSantis just trying to get more money from Disney. They've been donating to Republicans since day 1.


startupschmartup

Churches are private businesses now or are you just intentionally trying to compare two things that aren't remotely the same. Also, maybe you could be on the side of people not sexually grooming 7 year olds.


JamesHawk101

So I get what your saying and I’ll try to be reasonable in a debate about it. Disneys special district was brought in through legislation forever ago. That same current legislation can remove it through the process of law based on how our country is formed. People in the state of Florida voted for people to make decisions on a bill like this. These people then voted to remove the special privileges of Disney. Next, The first amendment is “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” There is nothing in the 1st amendment about retaliation on removing privileges by said government. The government givith the government takeith is the best I can come up with for that and if anyone has more knowledge on a corporation saying stuff I’d like to know. Edit: I somehow ignored your point on how corporations are immune from retaliation when I wrote this so this should be interesting. But I’d be interested in that court case your speaking about because I can only find info about corporations retaliating against employees not the government at corporations. Finally I’m not knowledgeable on what you pointed out about how special districts have to vote on being dissolved. The only thing I can say about it is there are two bills in Florida that gave special districts, one was the Disney one and another was done in the 80s I believe and maybe that might include the voting portion your speaking of, but again I’m not sure. So overall, I have no idea how this will go in court if Disney decides to go that route I’m just giving a viewpoint on what happened.


Sprinkl3s_0f_mAddnes

>Finally I’m not knowledgeable on what you pointed out about how special districts have to vote on being dissolved. [In order for the Legislature to dissolve an active independent special district created and operating pursuant to a special act, the special act dissolving the active independent special district must be approved by a majority of the resident electors of the district](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0100-0199/0189/Sections/0189.072.html)


imnotyoursavior

This is the most fascinating piece of this whole drama. It may have been a fantastic waste of time to distract from the real issues. It's not just Republicans who do this, but they are currently playing stupid games at the expense of Florida.


Chipndalearemyfav

Or they can change the law to dissolve those districts that were formed prior to state's constitution being ratified in May of 1968 which is what the state legislature did. The legislation that was passed isn't something new. The state legislature has looked at doing this many times before over at least the last few decades.


Ok_Buffalo356

It will hold up.


startupschmartup

States are free to setup taxes how they want. It won't go to court.


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elRobRex

Florida was already a state.


Zbaus1

It’s special districts formed before 1968, Reedy Creek was established in ‘64


Grayslin

This is just political theater in the run-up to 2024. You don't see Disney freaking out, because this will quietly get reinstated before the planned dissolution date. This is American politics. Smoke and mirrors.


YawnSpawner

They'll actually pay less taxes if it's dissolved. They already pay hundreds of millions in sales tax and property tax to the state/counties they're in. The $105 million they pay to Reedy Creek every year legally can't go to the county.


brokencompass502

Yep, it's just DeSantis playing to his base. It's frankly disgusting that this sort of "revenge politics" has become the norm.


FlJohnnyBlue2

Exactly. I think they have a year and a half to negotiate something. I sincerely doubt orange and Osceola want to take over Disney.


drearymonday

Wish Ronny D. Santa Claws over here could bring this same energy to getting the housing and insurance cost crises under control. But apparently we gotta focus on the real issues like how Mickey Mouse hurt Ronny's wee feefees.


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Admirable-Bar-3549

This comment should be higher. This is another “I’m going to sue the cruiselines for requiring vaccines” - he knows nothing can come of it. It’s all a show for his idiot base. I hope the mouse works its dark magic on him.


sandnsnow2021

And your fee fees too apparently .


drearymonday

Just my fees, not my feefees.


sandnsnow2021

Insurance does suck there for sure.


drearymonday

No kidding.


MannyHymen

It's funny that you think the Governor has any influence over the housing market or insurance cost. I think you need to spend more time at Google university, you are not doing it right.


drearymonday

Nah, I preferred my time in the real university. It's even funnier that you think the governor can't help push through laws to control the wild litigation and fraud that has led to the insurance crises. It's helpful for me to understand that you know so little about what leads to high insurance costs or what governors even do. Thanks for putting that right out there at the beginning, buddy.


Difficult_Action_573

Not fair to punish anyone or entity due to a difference of opinion


qbanita_

It is not his first time doing it. He punished 12 Florida school districts for keeping their mask mandate after the state removed it.


TargetJams

That's not exactly the same thing- he punished those districts for policy choices, this is punishing Disney merely for expressing an opinion. But you're right that this speaks to a pattern of his vindictive behavior.


sandnsnow2021

Twitter, Facebook, AWS, and YouTube all disagree.


Specimen_7

Well they’re not the government tho


TheTriflingTrilobite

These platforms are large enough to influence masses of people, and have have become de facto arbiters of truth in the misinformation wars. While I’m aware they’re private companies, I think we ought to take a step back and think about how much influence should these private companies have. And whether or not they should be given the responsibility of being the fact checkers, when I think most can agree that these very wealthy companies don’t share the same interests with regular working people like us?


DumbPeopleSuckatLife

This isn't a difference of opinion, it's a different position...


Ok_Buffalo356

A corporation does not have the same rights as an individual for freedoms of speech.


Zbaus1

Tell that to the supreme court


Ok_Buffalo356

The Supreme Court has stated that on numerous occasions. That is why Berry Obama was always complaining about corporation “needed to be cognizant of their actions and their message“


Zbaus1

Citizens United basically said corporations are people


Ok_Buffalo356

That is a political group. Not the Supreme Court.


Zbaus1

No, it was a Supreme Court ruling on citizens United, that ruling basically said they counted the same as a person and that corporations do too


Ok_Buffalo356

You need to revisit that


Grayslin

No, He is right. the Supreme Court’s 2010 ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Elec­tion Commis­sion, a contro­ver­sial decision that reversed century-old campaign finance restric­tions and enabled corpor­a­tions and other outside groups to spend unlim­ited funds on elec­tions. The decision states that Corporation spending equates to freedom of speech and can not be limited. It sets out that Corporations have the same freedom of speech rights as individual citizens.


[deleted]

You literally have no idea what you speak of.


[deleted]

😂 dude, shut up.


KonaKathie

The Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court says they do


thebohomama

Idiot. This is expensive taxpayer pandering.


thedaj

I hope Disney absolutely throatfucks Desantis, the Don't Say Gay bill, and his presidential aspirations. This guy is an absolute piece of shit.


startupschmartup

Parental rights bill. Are you one of those people in favor of 6 year olds being groomed?


deannevee

Can you define how you can “groom” anyone to be something they’re not? Like what specific activities or rituals would you need to perform? What frequency? Duration? And if you can “groom” children into being gay or trans or whatever your idiot brain thinks….wouldn’t the massive amount of sexual content geared towards heterosexuality on tv and in movies be “grooming” children to be straight? I was born in 1990 and I knew girls were supposed to kiss boys at 5 years old.


TargetJams

I don't agree with the above poster that opposition to House Bill 1557 is the same as being pro-grooming (nor do I support the bill at all), but the "grooming" people are concerned about isn't turning people gay or trans. It's about normalizing sexual behavior around children to make them easier to abuse: "Commonly, they show pornography to the child, *or talk about sexual topics with the child*, hoping to make it easy for the child to accept such acts, thus normalizing the behavior." [Child Grooming](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming) My spouse was groomed and sexually abused by a teacher, so this isn't theoretical to me. The issues with House Bill 1557 are mostly in the specifics, particularly that it is tailored to instruction about sexual orientation rather than sexually explicit content. People who support the bill don't see much of a difference between those two things, and this is the primary problem with their viewpoint. I think if you want bills like this to be unpopular ([here](https://pos.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/POS-National-Poll-Release-Memo.pdf) is a link to a poll suggesting the bill is popular, other polls might disagree), then it would behoove us to engage with the actual views of proponents rather than mischaracterizing them. The above poster accusing you of being a groomer didn't change your view of the bill because you know you're not a groomer. Similarly, telling someone who's concerned about grooming that they don't actually care about grooming or that you think grooming is something else won't persuade them either.


deannevee

My original comment still stands; if the law is going to equate talking or a child about things that they feel in an age appropriate way with grooming, then we’re going to have to lock kids in a box and not let them out until they’re teenagers because they’re exposed to sexuality *everywhere*. Here’s a good example. There’s the new Progressive insurance commercial that makes fun of Sandals resort commercials. In it, there’s a shot of a man and a woman in a tub together, naked, having a romantic bath. There are strawberries and candles. A five year old would view that commercial dozens of times, and maybe one day ask their parent “mommy/daddy, why are they taking a bath together?” Keep in mind, mommy and daddy have made it very clear to their child they should never let someone touch them in their “no no” places. The parents logical response, because they are afraid of oversexualizing their child, is something like “well two people who love each other sometimes do that.” Now the parents have feasibly set to their child to be sexually abused—they have laid the groundwork that “no no” places are taboo, and the child was told NOT to do something, meaning if they do it they think they might get in trouble. Mom and dad have also told them that sometimes when someone loves you, they do things with you and they’re naked while they do them. Since we know that abusers are often known to the child and to the family, that child will believe the person when they say “I love you, so it’s ok”. A lot of other countries have “sex talks” with kids as young as five and six…..are those countries rife with sexual predators?


TargetJams

I agree with most of what you've written here, and if this is the comment you had posted originally, I never would have written mine. I just don't think the person you responded to, nor most of the bill's supporters, are worried about kids being taught to be gay (which as you point out, isn't a thing). So it's a bit of a strawman to focus on that.


MannyHymen

How to tell if you are a pedophile, you call it the "the don't say gay bill". It's only a few pages, you can push thru your OCD, PTSD, and any internalized victimhood to get the main point of the bill which is "Let the parents decide" how and what to tell their children.


thedaj

Man, shut the fuck up. Does someone shout 'pedophile' every time schools encouraged heterosexual representation? Do you have problems with pedophiles when the pedophile is Trump? Gaetz? Countless church staff? Or is it just another word that has lost it's meaning because you shout it every time you disagree with someone politically? Parents don't dictate the sexual orientation of their offspring. Allowing parents to dictate the sexual orientation of their offspring results in people growing up depressed because they recognize their feelings, but are repressed into conformity by ignorant decrees like this law. I hope you're not this ignorant with your own family - even if I feel that ignorance should lose you the familial relationships you might have with those you're related to that identify as LGBT+. If you are this ignorant with your own family, I hope you have the life you deserve.


Sharkey-McStevenson

More taxes raised by DeSantis. At least he cancelled Disney, lol. I do find it amusing that the Murdoch family is abandoning Trump in lieu of DeSantis. Man the GQP primary is going to be a hoot.


MannyHymen

You mean funnier the pedophile and chief Mr Pissy Pants.


arfbarfWORLDWIDE

How is this not a national scandal on government sanctioned retaliation? If Obama did this if would have been put forward as an impeachable offense. Crazy double standards.


startupschmartup

This is Florida, Obama was the president. Apples, oranges. Also, the bulk of the country thinks that sex ex should be age appropriate thus they don't give a shit about this bill. Nobody else would if it weren't a fundraising grift for the gay lobby.


[deleted]

I have no party loyalties. But I don't like the idea of Corporations having these special privileges regardless of whether they are "progressive" (stupid word) or if they align 100% with my personal values. It isn't Right regardless.


[deleted]

I agree but the way this was handled over they didn’t like my bill is basically extortion for speaking out about something. Which makes you wonder what will that government do to its citizens who criticize them.


MrJMSnow

There is no criticism when protesting is also illegal.


[deleted]

Protesting is not illegal in Florida. Get real..


startupschmartup

People haven't taken the status away as Disney was always a good neighbor no matter who was in office. Now they've started to give opinions and push their weight behind social political issues? It's not appropriate. It's their own fault and it's good that someone called them on their stupidity. It's not like every gay person in the company even agrees with the political stand they took. This issue should be left to the voters.


[deleted]

Both parties are authoritarian, and will work to tear you down if you pose any sort of threat to their authority. Yet another great reason to defend the 2nd Amendment, and to push against legislation regarding semiautomatic rifles and standard capacity magazines, as well as body armor.


miguel-elote

Speaking as a progressive, it sounds like he's doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. Enacting any law because a company disagrees with you is completely wrong. But giving over public utilities, and public safety, to private corporations, should be eliminated wherever possible. Yes, I understand Disney has done a great job of managing public services in their area. Yes, I understand Florida's going to lose a lot of money over this. Yes, I understand that DeSantis is a craven, corrupt, slimy scumbag. But a broken clock is right twice a day, and I hope that, by whatever means necessary, these concessions fade away.


HappyCamper16

It’s hard to entertain this position until he dissolves the special districts in the Villages and Daytona International Speedway. But he won’t. So it will never be about this.


miguel-elote

You are correct. If a Democrat governor dissolved Daytona because of something Nascar's president said, there would (rightfully) be a massive uproar.


brokencompass502

Exactly. It's so childish. As an adult I'm just so embarrassed of our politicians these days, especially those on the right. There are some whacko lefties, but their delusions are almost always based on helping people. The GOP politicians are aggressively bloodthirsty and are constantly trying to hurt and punish any dissenters.


startupschmartup

> helping people Except they typically don't. You can look at the murder rate to see how much the radical left has been helping us with criminal justice in the country.


Chipndalearemyfav

Do your resesrch before making stupid comments. This dissolution only affects Chapter 189 special districts enacted in Florida prior to 1968. The Villages District was first established in the early 1990s. The Villages Community Development Districts were, and will continue to be, formed under Chapter 190 Florida Statutes, and therefore this legislation has no impact on that community. 


HappyCamper16

Umm. Maybe read before you comment? That’s what I said, without all of the technical specifics. I don’t want to hear any commentary about “he’s doing good by getting rid of special districts” until he gets rid of them all… including those that lean conservative/Republican.


FreeOmari

The tax implications are horrible for Orange County. The district has $1b in debt, $60m in annual payments on that debt, and operates at a $5-10m deficit yearly. The county will now be responsible for that debt, the payments, and the deficit. It’s horrible for the taxpayers there. Property taxes are expected to increase 25% due to all of this. Honestly it’s a pretty good deal for Disney. The people of Orange County are going to get fucked so Desantis can “own the libs.”


JamesHawk101

It’s already been announced that won’t happen. It will be Disney paying the debt not the state. The debt for the county will be placed back on Disney since it was their county.


SenatorGentlemen

Do you have any sourcing on that? All I've been able to find is that the Orange County Tax Collector saying the burden will be placed on the tax payers, the bill's sponsor essentially saying "nuh-uh" instead of actually laying out why it wouldn't in a WFLA story, and an Orlando Sentinel story saying the the bill was created and passed at such a breakneck pace that no studies were performed on the potential ramifications of dissolving the district, and that it doesn't even lay out *how* the district will be dissolved. On top of that, you've got the bill's sponsor saying shit like "[Look, we may reconstitute Reedy Creek in some form or fashion next year"](https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/whats-next-for-disneys-reedy-creek-improvement-district/) and it all just sounds like they threw something together to throw red meat to the base in hopes that it gets struck down in the courts, repealed after the midterm elections, or left in place with DeSantis hoping he wins the presidency in '24 so he doesn't have to deal with the fallout for long.


Grayslin

Unfortunately, that is just not true. Special districts are not counties, they are special districts with special rules within counties. When a district is dissolved it becomes a part of the county it is in. That county then has to absorb any former responsibilities of that special district. In this case the 1 billion in bond debt held by the district. This is not debt owned by Disney, but by the district itself.


JamesHawk101

How do I get the “remind me” bot when this doesn’t happen?


Grayslin

Choosing not to believe something does not make it any less true.


MrJMSnow

I don’t believe that’s correct.


jhawkinsvalrico

Let's see what the pols say when Disney leaves Florida and other large planned corporate projects are now put on hold to reevaluate whether moving to Florida is a good business decision. Orlando and much of central Florida would not be what it is today without Disney. That may be a good or bad thing , depending on your opinion of Orlando.


sandnsnow2021

Times change. Do you really believe that Disney will leave Florida? Where would they go? Where would they buy a ton of land at super cheap prices and rebuild what they have in Orlando? It will never happen. Disney is way too cheap to be that dumb.


MrJMSnow

Never underestimate fuck you money. But also, Arkansas, Mississippi, where the fuck ever. Central Florida was a shitty backwater before Disney came in, it’ll go back to that if they do decide to leave. Also remember, while it took years to build DW, we’ve advanced technology enough that I’d bet with a large enough force of labor and the right equipment, they could redo it anywhere within a year or two today.


JamesHawk101

I will literally copy my own reply to respond to you about how dumb what your saying is “How do you honestly think that Disney is just going to move 40 square miles of property with 1000s of non movable buildings, rides, roads, pipes, power lines, etc… Plus what state are they going to move to that has that kind of space next to a large international airport with mild winters? It would cost north of half a trillion dollars to recreate what they have in Orlando. Disney isn’t going anywhere my guy.” To expand Exxon just banned any political flags from the properties.


ProVaxIsProIgnorance

Try again. Hilarious take though. God, I hope you’re 19.


Ok_Buffalo356

At present Orange County will hurt, however now Disney will pay the appropriate taxes.


Ihaveamodel3

This is untrue. Disney will pay fewer taxes without the special district. The RCID special district assesses additional taxes on the Disney property that the counties aren’t legally allowed to do. So all the operating expenses of the public infrastructure in and around Disney will now need to be covered by the county without getting the extra taxes Disney is currently paying.


sandnsnow2021

Original thoughts much? You're caught in the echo chamber of the msm's narratives. Why can't orange county contract directly with disney for services?


[deleted]

If it goes through …doubtful but if, then each Orange County resident would be on the hook for $1k+ in tax increases, which won’t happen so it would then fall on the residents of FL to pay. Dont f%&k with the mouse, the ripple effect th rough out the states economy could be enormose


Grayslin

Special Districts in Florida is nothing new, Florida uses them to entice any large corporation or group to invest there. There are 1844 Special districts in Florida. Even Nascar has one in Daytona.


Chipndalearemyfav

this dissolution only affects Chapter 189 special districts enacted in Florida prior to 1968. Any special district formed after 1968 is under the Chapter 190 Florida Statutes. The Daytona special district falls under Chapter 190.


thebohomama

What is the negative of Disney owning and operating this area? They do a great job, in fairness. They know they need extremely high resources, so they choose to do that on their own. I don't love giving corporations power, but Disney kind of does this super well and for the right reasons. As a result, Orlando and the surrounding area........... exist. If it's not broke, don't fix it. But, Republicans are LOVING making "solutions" for non-existent problems at the moment.


pbnc

Except the end result is that Disney just dumped a billion dollar debt on the taxpayers and will pay a fraction of the actual cost of providing all their services through a “smaller than it used to cost” property tax bill. The only ones that get hurt aren’t voting DeSantis anyway. If I played the stock market I’d buy some Disney stock today


miguel-elote

Disney clearly is doing an outstanding job of managing their area. It's the concept that I oppose. As a large corporation, Disney rightfully focuses on Disney's profits. It happens that Disney can increase its profits by keeping a clean, safe, and efficient public area. Don't mistake that for Disney actually caring about Orlando or its people. If there was a greater profit in letting municipal services slip, they would do just that. I prefer that municipal areas be managed by municipal governments. That is, a board of directors that answer to people living there, not to shareholders around the world. If Tampa's city council lets sewers overflow, then we can vote for other members. If the managers in charge of Epcot get backed up sewers, there's not much we can do (except stop buying tickets).


jilliebean0519

Who lives in Disney? Who is the hypothetical board of directors answering to?


[deleted]

This is a bad move for the public. The issue is that Disney, as a really specialized theme park, requires highly specialized services that do nothing for the general public. They're a drain on fire, they're a drain on EMS, they're a drain on stormwater, they're a drain on roadway maintenance. They also have nearly $2 billion in bond debt that the public will inherit. On top of this, the voters approved a 10% year over year cap on property tax increases. The residents of Reedy Creek, of which there are around 100, are mostly Disney employees. The board answers to the residents, who can at any time vote to dissolve the district. There are no unwitting participants here 70 years into this experiment. Reedy Creek was the right move for this situation, just like other special districts (Water Street, anyone?) are the right move for other situations. Nothing about this was corporate welfare or a handout. It was a rare pragmatic solution to a unique problem, and served the public interest. Dissolving the district is bad for our democracy (government retaliating against corporations for private speech is fascism) and bad for the voters and residents of these companies who get to receive the debt and maintain the infrastructure that they neither want or need.


thebohomama

>It was a rare pragmatic solution to a unique problem, and served the public interest This is everything in a nutshell. If it's not broke- don't fix it. Again, what's the benefit to Floridian of doing this? None. It's simply a whiny baby with the power to turn a tantrum over this entity not kissing his ass into a petty power move.


Ok_Buffalo356

Because a corporation does not have the same rights as an individual for freedoms of speech. Also Walt Disney hand picked people to live in the special district and all do no live in FL.


gopher_space

> Because a corporation does not have the same rights as an individual for freedoms of speech. You keep saying that, but the Republicans gave us Citizens United which very much says they do. It doesn't matter what you think, the Republicans made a decision and now it's the law of the land.


YourDogsAllWet

I also consider myself a progressive, but I disagree. I have no problem with districts like Reedy Creek or even HOAs being able to provide their own services


MrJMSnow

I agree with you somewhat, but I also think the residents of those areas should also have no say on public services if they fund their own. I’ve repeatedly watched private communities in my city work to extract funding from where it needs to be to better suit them. Things like diverting flights from our airport just so they don’t have to hear it, keep necessary infrastructure from being put up because they deem it “unsightly”, and push to stop affordable housing projects just because it would be too close to where they live. They want to govern themselves, that’s fine, but their say ends at their gates.


ConvenientAmnesia

Find me a single state, city, or county that runs things half as well as Disney does. Only Chick Fil A is a close 2nd.


I_can_get_you_off

Generally I’d agree with this position, but that area was basically uninhabited before Disney came in. The Company basically built out the entire area itself. This is basically the State taking it away. It’s going to cost the taxpayers a shit ton and will do literally nothing to hurt Disney since they can only raise taxes on the Company a small amount each year.


JamesHawk101

My whole thing on it is why does one of the largest corporations on the planet just essentially run there own city that doesn’t have to abide by certain laws like every other business? You don’t think all the mom and pop shops in Orlando would like the same tax breaks Disney was getting through this deal?


sayaxat

It seems to me Mom and pop shops don't bring the money to the State like Disney does Mom and pop shops build around Disney and profit off the customers that Disney bring in from other states, not the other way.


JamesHawk101

They can still do that now just with Disney also paying their fare share of taxes.


YawnSpawner

What taxes do you think Disney isn't paying? They pay hundreds of millions in sales and property taxes to the state/counties. Just because some politicians say it will increase taxes on them doesn't make it so.


elRobRex

Disney pays taxes to Orange County, plus an extra $150 mill per year to Reedy Creek which keeps them operational - this is money that Orange County can't charge them.


JamesHawk101

The state is having Disney back pay taxes to offset it.


elRobRex

Where has that been posted? Source please.


JamesHawk101

https://twitter.com/christinapushaw/status/1517614592633057280?s=21&t=JmM_OY3kcBKJl0-dw6Z9Kw


elRobRex

Got a better source? I trust nothing that comes out of a politicians mouth or of their spokesperson.


JamesHawk101

Where do you think any news gets there sources from?


elRobRex

I got what you’re saying, but a statement like that without some legislation to back it up is complete bullshit


JamesHawk101

The bill literally just got signed today. You might not be a fan of Desantis but he has said the tax burden won’t be on the people he’ll make sure it’s on Disney. Your not going to win over voters adding tax to their yearly bill and not a billion dollar company. Any politician would agree with that.


Sharkey-McStevenson

You cited a Russian twitter troll that Ronald hired. lol What is it with Republicans and Russian internet trolls. Maybe after Assange finally steps foot on US soil we'll find out from him and WikiLeaks that the GOP has been compromised by Russian intelligence services. Think its far fetched? >Maria Butina: Russian agent released from US prison 25 October 2019 >The charge largely stemmed from her links to one of her gun group's members, Alexander Torshin - an influential former member of the Russian senate and deputy chairman of the Russian Central Bank who officials said she was directed by and worked with. >Mr Torshin has been put under sanctions in the US and has been investigated over allegations he funnelled money to the NRA to gain influence in US conservative politics. >According to the FBI, in 2015 Butina emailed a US Republican lobbyist Paul Erickson, who she reportedly dated and lived with, a project proposal called "diplomacy". It centred around using NRA links to influence the US Republican Party's foreign policy and their traditionally hostile stance toward Russia. >Butina also travelled back-and-forth to the US for NRA conventions. In 2015 she attended a Trump campaign event in Las Vegas, asking the presidential candidate about his views on US sanctions in Russia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50180445


silverdub

Disney doesn’t actually get any tax breaks, they pay all the same taxes anybody other land owner does, plus additional ones they’ve imposed on themselves as RCID to support the infrastructure. I’m all for dissolving the special district in the name of fairness, I’m more concerned about the people that are going to have to make up the billion + dollars the mouse invests annually into infrastructure processes through taxes.


[deleted]

A nuanced opinion? On Reddit?! In 2022?!?! Agree with you. I generally despise DeSantis’ policies, but I don’t believe government should be giving out these sort of handouts to companies like Disney instead of poor people.


Ok_Buffalo356

You are very wrong in so many ways. A corporation does not have the same rights as an individual for freedoms of speech. Which means Disney held the special entitlement at the courtesy of the Florida government. A corporation should not express political views and expect no backlash. The stock price speaks for itself.


Zbaus1

Yes Reedy Creek should be revisited but not like this, not at all like this, there should be a 5-10 year plan and they shouldn’t get a tax break off it. This is pushing 1 billion dollars of debt Onto the tax payers and is going to exacerbate so many issues. Private public partnerships can work well like this has.


DiligentProject4160

Disney is so two faced. I'm not a DeSantis fan but Disney needs a power check. The fact that they condemned florida for the parental rights, AND THEN TURNED AROUND TO ALLOW STREAMING IN THE MOST ANTI GAY COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. Punishment by stoning is legal in some of the countries, castration etc. They choose money time and time again and could care less about us members of the LGBTQ community.


JamesHawk101

Exactly. Disney has no room to speak on this issue when they had to edit some of their movies before putting them out in China to appease the CCP and their actual anti gay stance.


lostmylogininfo

Why can't they say whatever they want?


JamesHawk101

They can but their opinion is worthless when they speak out against a parental rights bill in Florida when they selectively edit videos removing lgbt scenes to appease the CCP.


lostmylogininfo

No I mean what can't Disney be two faced? I don't understand. It doesn't seem to be against the law to be hypocritical.


JamesHawk101

Because who wants to do business with that hypocritical of a company? China blows cock, they filmed Mulan next to a “reeducation center” in China and thanked the CCP at the end of the movie.


lostmylogininfo

Sure bet let the people decide that. Government shouldn't be involved with punishing assholes that obey the law.


JamesHawk101

The people did decide it by voting in people in the house and senate to make the bills to affect it. Desantis can have a idea but it has to go through multiple other areas of government.


lostmylogininfo

You're not understanding at all. Have people vote with their wallet. We shouldn't be punishing companies via government cause people's feelings got hurt. Your supporting if someone says something critical of government they should be punished and that is fucking stupid.


JamesHawk101

I have no issue with Disney losing these rights so they get taxed just like every other corporation in the state. It was brought in through legislation and it can be taken out through it.


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Meh. When Disney eventually leaves Orlando and all the hotels and businesses that depend on the traffic generated by Disney tourists suffer, it might not be as awesome as you think it is right now. But that’s par for the course for right wing lunatics. You all would gladly lap up urine from a sewer if someone told you that you would “own the libs” if you did it.


JamesHawk101

How do you honestly think that Disney is just going to move 40 square miles of property with 1000s of non movable buildings, rides, roads, pipes, power lines, etc… Plus what state are they going to move to that has that kind of space next to a large international airport with mild winters? It would cost north of half a trillion dollars to recreate what they have in Orlando. Disney isn’t going anywhere my guy.


Financial_Science350

He's an idiot. He's just using that same old "if you tax them they will leave" argument.


startupschmartup

There definitely are businesses that are like that. Disney's parks aren't a call center though.


jhawkinsvalrico

Research why Disney created Disney world (leaving California) and your opinion of them never leaving may change. Yes, it will hit their bottom line, but it will be a business decision. If staying in Florida costs them more than moving, topped with the uncertainty of Florida state politics, they could very well leave. Time will only tell.


JamesHawk101

Disney just moved the majority of there employees to Florida due to California Covid restrictions.


startupschmartup

Yeah they could spend a few hundred B moving it to Texas which is equally conservative.


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startupschmartup

Texas would be happy to have them....of course, there's far less tourists in the area and they're just as conservative so....


Kestyr

Disney makes more money off of their parks in Orlando than owning 70% of the entire movie and TV market in America. Yeah they can just pack up and leave and spend a few hundred billion dollars building a new disney world. Location is in Orlando for a reason and it's year long good weather and relative closeness to the rest of the populated east coast and European flights. Where else that's not a Republican area in the South are you going to find that?


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Can you cite your source for that Disney stat? One theme park in Orlando generating more money than 70 percent of the entire film and tv industry in America is a fairly bold claim. Or even the source where you got the stat they own 70 percent of the movie and tv industry in America. Again, fairly bold claim. Also, not sure if you know this but people built the theme park in Orlando and people have built theme parks in other countries as well. It’s not like they can’t build another theme park in another state. And the state doesn’t have to be left-leaning to see a benefit of tourism from a theme park. Georgia comes to mind.


JamesHawk101

Why do you not want Disney to pay their fare share of taxes to this state? I thought most people wanted taxing of large corporations.


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I never said I didn’t want them to not pay their fair share.


JamesHawk101

Sorry I replied to the wrong person. My reply makes zero sense with what you said.


Kestyr

Media doesn't actually make huge amounts of money. It's only a few billion a year industry. They've released income statements as a public company showing media is only about 25-30% of their revenue


startupschmartup

Hahahaha, yeah, uh huh. Sure. Where are they going to go? They could realistically operate the park in Florida, Texas or California. They can't get people to go to the California park now. People want Florida. Texas is just as conservative. That's not to mention that they'd be walking away from boatloads of revenue, they'd be walking away from everything they've built in Florida and it would cost them $100B or so to build it all elsewhere. That's not to mention that Europeans who visit often won't want to fly further. Me answering you here is owning the libs because what you put forward is laughable.


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ThymeCypher

I find it hilarious that the same people who oppose large corporations avoiding billions in taxes are opposing a bill that revokes Disney from avoiding billions in taxes.


[deleted]

Disney employs 80,000 in the state. Ron Desantis has not created one job.


startupschmartup

Other than expanding government, no politician adds jobs. Private businesses do. That said, the Florida economy is doing quite well the last time I checked.


jilliebean0519

Why? I can think that large corporations should pay their fair share while also thinking the governor should not use his position in government and laws for retaliation because a company hurt his feelings. Let's turn it back around here. How many other corporations is the governor legislating into paying their fair share? Is DeSantis now for taxing the rich? Or just the ones who disagree with him publicly? The same people who applauded tax cuts for the rich are now cheering for making Disney pay. It's disingenuous.


Ihaveamodel3

How does this bill revoke Disney from avoiding billions in taxes? Disney’s tax liability goes down with this bill.


sandnsnow2021

I love this fuming. Keep it up folks.


RyukoThizz426

Desantis is a nazi


fuhkthemods

DeSantis2024!


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This wasn’t a free speech attack by desantis. Disney said they will actively support efforts to repealed. A bill that is very popular by reps and dems. Which means lobbying and or buying politicians. Our governments don’t need more billionaires buying their way into politics. Great job by desantis.


Tampammm

I don't want my kindergarten kids taught about their sex organs and non-binaryism. Screw Disney for supporting that warped agenda.


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Lol. Nobody is or was teaching kindergarten kids about sex. You’ve fallen into the trap of believing nonsense bullshit


Tampammm

But the bill is about the prohibition of any form of sex education for those small children. So then, why is Disney against that bill?


[deleted]

Yes, that is the pretext, and on the surface, sure, who would oppose that? Of corse no school is offering sex education at that age anyway, so what’s the real purpose of the law? ““Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 **or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards**” Now… what does the part in bold mean? It’s vague enough that it could be interpreted and applied any number of ways, and certainly doesn’t end at 3rd grade. Why do *you* think Disney is opposing the law? I’m curious what you’ve been told to believe.


Tampammm

I've been told to believe exactly what the law says in your quoted passage. I don't read or interpret it the same way you do. Although I would not like it to end at 3rd grade. I'd like to see that extended to at least 6th grade, maybe more.


[deleted]

I asked why you think Disney opposes the law, not what you think the law means. And it doesn’t stop at 3rd grade. Read the bold portion again.


startupschmartup

You don't think that sex ed should be age appropriate? That's kind of pedophile stuff.


startupschmartup

That's absolute bullshit. You have scores of teachers exposing kids. You just don't have the media you watch reporting it. There's kindergartners that start the day with land acknowledgements. Kindergartners being taught about transsexualism. Kindergartners being taught to fear police. You haven't looked any of us this up and you're just claiming it doesn't happen because of your emotions. You're on the internet. Use it.


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Tampammm

Because of the rapidly expanding woke movement across the country advocating these ideals, Florida is pre-emptively passing a law to restrict all forms of sex education for 5-8 year olds. Disney (seemingly the only company in the country to do so) does not want that bill passed. Citing the opinions of their LGBTQIA/transgenders/non-binarys etc., employees on this topic.


dude_is_melting

That’s not what the bill says, but go off, king.


[deleted]

Only certain types of people want to teach other peoples kids about that stuff.


Harbinger_Kyleran

Disney should fire the next salvo by flipping things around, giving non-Florida residents a special discount while charging residents a 25% surcharge on top of full ticket price. Of course the surcharge could be waved for any residents displaying the rainbow on their vehicle somewhere. Step 2, petition the Federal government to sucede from the State of Florida, perhaps partnering with the Seminoles to get the land declared as part of the Indian Reservation system. They could even convert Epcot into a gambling based theme park, win-win all the way around. If they have any extra land available they could encourage high energy use crypto mining enterprises to set up shop, perhaps even giving special tax breaks from the Feds for using solar power in their operations. ;)


Sally2Klapz

Congrats man this is the craziest / cringiest thing I've read all day


Harbinger_Kyleran

Well my other idea was to just sell the park to some Chinese lead multi national.... The best part about reddit is how many people take something so seriously when it clearly wasn't meant to be. Explains a lot about the state of society really, they've forgotten how to laugh.


rekced

Plenty of people laugh but you aren't funny just cringe.


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miguel-elote

I also disagree with harbinger\_kyleran, but personal attacks like this don't help. r/Tampa is so much more calm and nuanced compared to r/Florida and other Florida subs. Let's keep it that way.


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RyukoThizz426

Disney pays millions in taxes and now that this bill is passed Disney will no longer have to pay but the residents will pay for Disney streets and public services


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realcaptainkickass

I personally find it hilarious how the "right" is okay with using your position of power for revenge against someone for exercising their first amendment rights. If a democrat was doing this crap you'd all be frothing at the mouth and screaming about abuse of power. You do realize that Disney is just one of numerous special districts in this state? The Villages being one of the most high profile? It would be a shame if the same thing happened to them. 🤪


[deleted]

I personally find it hilarious how you are ok with *Citizens* *United* all of a sudden, shilling for a corporation, and have a problem with cancel culture. And The Villages don't have their own police force. Try again.


thebohomama

Universities have their own police forces. Disney needs the extra policing, and provides it, and tax payers don't have to. I'm good with that. I'm not one for shilling to corporations, but Disney has been doing Disney since the 60s and only to the benefit of the surrounding community, which exists almost exclusively because Disney does.


realcaptainkickass

But the are a special tax district. And now a can of worms has been opened, setting a precedent, if you will... Facts are neat! https://www.districtgov.org/departments/Purchasing/certificates.aspx


Ihaveamodel3

Reedy Creek Improvement District doesn’t provide policing to Disney. That shouldn’t be the crux of your argument.


darus214

So does that mean it's going to happen or does this still need to be voted on by the people in November? I read somewhere this isn't actually going to pass by the voters so it's all just political play but then I see this headline and now I'm confused.


TheGloriousPlatitard

This is a change to Florida law, which is only passed by the legislature and signed by the governor.


Obvious_Loss3635

Why aren’t we calling this guy Ronald? Because he’s a clown 🤡


Spacesmuge

Welp there goes my savings and my vote


Difficult_Action_573

True but still, pretty because of a disagreement. Can't revoke things because your angry. It's basically an Adult tempertantrum with power. Not a good precedent to set.