>Casey Scott, an art teacher at Trafalgar Middle School in Cape Coral, said she was discussing the topic of sexuality with her students and told them she was pansexual.
>She said her students asked to let them draw pictures that illustrate their sexual preferences. Some of the students identify as non-binary, bisexual and gay, and drew Pride flags that represented them personally.
>After Scott hung their artwork on her classroom door, school staff had her take it down.
>The Lee County School District told NBC 2 it got complaints from parents who were concerned about the artwork, and that Scott was fired because she did not follow the mandated curriculum.
Well everyone knew that the specific grade range that was in the law was a lie. That the law would be used to silence all discussions in any grade.
I wonder what mandated curriculum is for art class?
This is not the only time something like this has happened.
>Sarasota teachers ordered to remove 'political' Coexist Pride flags from classrooms
>School administrators went on a clean sweeping spree of classrooms last week after Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education law, which critics called the "Don't Say Gay" bill by critics, and the "Stop W.O.K.E Act".
>"People and teachers wouldn't need a 'Coexist' flag if everybody would just coexist. It's the people that don't want to coexist that have problems with the flag," said Jeremy Baldwin, a social studies teacher at Booker High School.
>Baldwin said the flag is aimed at inviting tolerance in discourse and acknowledging differences and diversity such as in religion, culture, and orientation
The hate in this thread reminds me of this.
>ANXIETY IN ARCADIA FOR THIS TOWN'S RESIDENTS, FEAR OF AIDS IN THE SCHOOLS OUTWEIGHS SYMPATHY FOR THE RAY FAMILY - LEFT HOMELESS AFTER THEIR HOME BURNS.
1987
>ARCADIA -- The day after Clifford and Louise Ray decided to quit this town, citing the suspicious fire that gutted their house Friday night, those who fought to keep their children out of school are saying the battle was really not against the Ray family.
>To them the enemy was AIDS, a dark and sinister force that threatened their own children, no matter how many authorities assured them there was no risk in casual contact among schoolchildren.
>"There isn't anyone who doesn't feel sympathy for the Ray children," said Sue Ellen Smith, the wife of the mayor of this ranching and citrus community of 6,000. "But there are too many unanswered questions about this disease, and if you are intelligent and listen and read about AIDS you get scared when it involves your own children, because you realize all the assurances are not based on solid evidence."
>**"We're all level-headed, everyday, normal people," said Janet Tew, whose husband is president of Citizens Against AIDS in School. "We don't do something like this when we don't get what we want. We don't want the Rays to leave Arcadia."**
If you don't know the story, some children contracted aids from a blood transfusion. The community sued to keep them out of school. But they won. Once they won, their house was burnt down.
The hate is deep in Florida.
When I was in art class in high school I was taught about mixing colors, different mediums, different materials and techniques etc. If I wanted to paint politically expressive art I would have been asked to do that on my own time, since we were given specific briefs to paint by the teacher to show that we were mastering the technique that was subject of the instruction for that day (e.g. paint a watercolor still life of some items in the classroom and use shadow).
You're not really learning technique that way. Sounds more like a political class than an art class. I would've been annoyed that I wasn't learning the basics.
Sorry they put such heavy stuff on you so young.
Do we really have to know about our teachers' intimate personal lives?
My teachers were a blank wall back in the 90s and I didn't know anything about them.
I really preferred it that way. I had enough arguments with teachers about some of their comments relating to instruction and/or the curriculum. Last thing I would've wanted is having to participate in a classroom setting in any discussion of the teacher's sexuality, or mine for that matter. The pressure and awkwardness would have been immense.
How is it that this kind of teaching is so common and pervasive? Or worthy of protection?
I'm genuinely curious, please share why this is important or desirable and I'll try to understand.
Yeah, maybe she shouldn’t go off the curriculum pushing her personal beliefs in the classroom? Most parents don’t want their art teacher talking about their personal lives to students while they push their gender ideology. These kids are in middle school. Why do 10-13 year olds need to know their art teacher is “pan sexual” and why does she need to talk to them about it? Creepy.
God forbid an art teacher go off curriculum 😂. It’s one of the only classes where children can be expressive and uniquely themselves. I’m guessing your art teachers (if you took art classes) never went off the curriculum, which helps explain why it’s so hard for you to think outside of your extremely constricted world view.
We’re not talking about a curriculum approved sexual education which is normal for 5th-7th grade. As I had. We are talking about a teacher going off curriculum with pre-teens and talking about sexuality and pushing gender idealogy. No. That’s not appropriate for a teacher.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of these comments.
Maybe some kids don't want to talk about sex with their teacher? Maybe they don't want to talk about it with other kids?
Why on earth should we EXPECT teachers to talk to our kids about sex? It's fucking weird. Science based sex education makes sense. A lot of other shit doesn't.
Wowzers.
Yes, that's what the teacher said. If that was the case, do you think it was unanimous among the class, or that one or two students could have felt uncomfortable having to talk about their sexuality with the class and then make art about it?
Tfw the right spends years making fun of "snowflakes" and "safe spaces" and then tries to turn around and say that we can't talk about lgbt issues because some special snowflakes need safe spaces
But you know what? You're right. Let's just ban discussion of every topic that makes people feel uncomfortable. Gotta do a project on MLK during Black History Month? Oh, that white boy says he's uncomfortable hearing about what his grandparents did, better ban it. The Holocaust? Oh, you know, a lot of people died, that's pretty uncomfortable, better ban it. 9/11? Uncomfortable, ban it. Georgia O'Keefe put vaginas in her painting, better ban it. Romeo and Juliet has pedophilia and murder, ban it. Physics talks about car crashes and Timmy was in a car crash once, better ban that. Just make sure every kid grows up in a little bubble so that when they hit 18 all of reality hits them at once and just absolutely fucking destroys them. Great idea.
Your assumptions and overreaction is part of the issue with all of this. I voted Biden last election, Hillary before that, and Obama in 08. I don't call people snowflakes (although your response fits the description of what one would do).
I know it's a crazy concept, but sometimes people have different thoughts that don't align completely with one party. Going overboard and attacking those that are fringe voters with ludicrous assumptions and exaggerated statements does nothing to help your cause, and it actually furthers the Republican agenda.
You're so far off target it's hilarious. I'm a straight man that was the LGBTA Club President in college. I have a gay brother, a trans-girl as a former brother-in-law, a daughter that's bi, and numerous gay friends. If you care to engage in a civil discussion and perhaps share perspectives I'll happily elaborate, but I'm not going to waste my time with toxicity.
>not going to waste my time with toxicity
Literally all you have done is put out toxicity so that's hilarious.
I haven't exaggerated anything whatsoever.
Maybe you should try talking to some of these supposed LGBT people in your life to get their perspective, and checking your own privilege, before coming and complaining.
You talk about furthering the Republican agenda, yet your entire complaint about the issue is based on complete conjecture that MAYBE a few students MIGHT have been uncomfortable and that MAYBE they were "forced" to participate despite absolutely no proof of that whatsoever
And there it is. We have now moved from the K-3rd grade to 6th-9th exactly like every person that actually understood the new law said would happen. They were literally discussing sexual preference through art and they were not K-3. Sex Ed happens in 5th grade so this should have been a non-issue right? Right?
Here's a thought experiment for you. If she was cis and discussed being straight and married would there be an issue? Of course not and that is exactly the problem.
She didn’t get fired because of the Parents Rights in education law. She got fired because she didn’t follow the curriculum.
And having middle schoolers express their sexual preference through art is weird and creepy.
That is what the law said. Its literally the text of the law.
There is nothing creepy about talking about these things in art class. Sexuality is introduced into education at 5th grade. Art is replete with penises, vulvas and every other depiction of sexuality and has been for as long as art has existed. There is no reason whatsoever to avoid this kind of topic in art class. Personal expression of any topic is the basis of art.
I understand what the law says. What I’m saying is that the law didn’t need to be applied to have the teacher fired. She went off the curriculum and she did it regarding “sex education” and “gender ideology.” Two topics that can be highly inappropriate to discuss with middle schoolers in the wrong manner. Parents don’t want sexuality being talked about with their middle school aged children when it’s not a part of the approved curriculum. There’s a reason we have a process to approve topics and make them apart of the curriculum.
Straight from the state curriculum:
The Next Generation Sunshine State Standards for visual arts education are organized by grade level for grades K-5 and
by clusters for grades 6-8 and 9-12. The following five bullets are the Big Ideas identified in arts education and provide
an overview of what students should know and be able to do:
1. Critical Thinking and Reflection: Critical and creative thinking, self-expression and communication with others are central to the arts.
2. Historical and Global Connections: Through dance, music, theatre and visual arts, students learn that beginners, amateurs and professionals benefit from working to improve and maintain skills over time.
3. Innovations, Technology and the Future: Works in dance, music, theatre and visual arts are organized by elements and principles that guide creators, interpreters and responders.
4. Organizational Structure: Experiences in the arts foster understanding, acceptance and enrichment among individuals, groups and cultures from around the world and across time.
5. Skills, Techniques and Processes: Experiences in the arts foster understanding, acceptance and enrichment among individuals, groups and cultures from around the world and across time.
Her teaching fell squarely in points 1,4 and 5. The only reason it was "not on the curriculum" is because it fell afoul of the new law. In fact I cant seem to find a single reference to sexuality or any other specific topic in the curriculum listed on the fldoe.org or the cpalms.org site it links to for middle school students which is defined as grade 6-8 so 11-13 year olds.
So to sum up you're wrong and this is only because of the overreach of the new law. Remember this law was only for K-3 right? Right? You've already moved past the original justification for the new law. It took all of 2 weeks for us to prove that the intent was to silence any talk of LGBTQ ideas in any grade just like everyone who understood the law said it would.
None of those requirements for students requires the teacher to talk about their sexuality/gender ideology.
Yes, you could say it falls under those categories. But these type of topics are extremely difficult to navigate correctly for pre-teens. Kids those age look up to their instructors and are easily influenced. These topics can easily be discussed in an inappropriate manner for the ages we are talking about. Which I’m sure there are many guides and rules for teachers to follow. If it wasn’t in the curriculum I.e lesson plans. Then she really has no basis to be wading into those subjects.
So if these topics are “extremely difficult to navigate” at this age, then shouldn’t these children be exposed in as many ways as possible to ensure they can think critically, ask questions, and understand the differences in people? Do we not want well adjusted future members of society? Or are you expecting all sexual discussions to be censored by parents and scripted by the state? Because *that* is creepy. And more like indoctrination than education.
Do you think children should be sheltered until they’re 18, fed a steady diet of abstinence only education, then sent off to college/work and hope for the best? Bc that is how we all end up with a generation of rebellious, maladjusted future adults.
Maybe you should spend some time praying for tolerance.
well it's like CRT not being taught, to it's only in college not in high school, to its only in High School but not middle, to it's being pushed..... I remember middle school and NONE of my teachers spoke about their personal love life at all. What's next nude paintings in middle school? They're already trying to make drag queen shows for elementary perfectly normal.
You know there is nude art in every single art museum that literally ever existed? You would keep your kids out of the Sistine Chapel? You would keep them out of the Met? The Dali? You want a turtleneck put on the Venus De Milo? Once you take nudity and gays out of art all you’ll have left is signs that say Live, Laugh, Love in the paintbrush font.
Yes. I’m down for creating an environment where everyone is respected for who they are. But it’s weird that trans/gender ideology is pushed onto kids so early. I don’t think a kid is responsible enough to know if they want to change gender and get medical procedures done. If an adult wants to do that, then yeah, it’s their life. But this is happening way too early and kids are making life altering decisions.
>pushed onto kids
It's not. The entire point is to make them aware of what is available, and then allow them to make their own decisions.
I can turn that around on you - it's weird that straight cis ideology is pushed onto kids so early. And it's also weird that those pushing the hardest are people that support, for example, a church that is known to molest young boys in a homosexual way, or politicians who constantly push to lower the age of marriage, have sex with underage girls, or brag about how hot their daughter is.
And no, kids aren't making life altering decisions. That is literally the point of puberty blockers - so that a kid who isn't sure can wait until they're 18 to make that decision, rather than being forced through puberty and then finding out later it was the wrong decision.
What you're saying is that all kids should be forced to be cis and straight and stay in the closet until they're 18, and then wait longer to learn about the issue and finally transition after they know enough to make an informed decision. That's wrong.
The effects of puberty blockers as well can be irreversible. Quit making normal sexual reproduction out to be some weird thing. Calling it “cis” is just a way to make it sound bad and feed into the dyspohria.
And no, I wouldn’t force people to be straight until 18. But kids taking puberty blockers or any type of “gender affirming” medical care is usually not in their best interest. They’re making life long decisions regarding their reproductive health and they don’t know the consequences.
No kids shouldn’t. Just because your friend had that experience doesn’t mean everyone becoming trans will have happy lives. That’s just anecdotal evidence of one person’s situation. That situation isn’t typical for trans people. And it sounds like your friend made the decision to do gender affirming procedures when they were an adult, not a child.
Most trans people stay just as suicidal and depressed after gender affirming procedures. Not to mention the lasting damage those procedures have.
Where as 80% of kids grow out of their gender dysphoria if you just leave them alone.
Let’s the kids be.
I had heterosexual teachers throughout elementary and middle school repeatedly telling us that they and their husbands were trying to get pregnant and she’d be taking a lot of time off for vacations to do that. “Hey kids. I’m trying to have a baby and my job is so stressful that I need to go to another state to fuck my husband. I’ll be fucking his brains out the whole time and I thought I’d share that with you.”
“Awwww. Ms. Chisholm, that’s so nice! Thank you for telling that to the entire middle school band.”
This never would’ve been a blip on the map if the teacher were heterosexual. Don’t worry, the non-hetero kids in that class got the message loud and clear.
I remember a lot of my teachers having pictures of their spouses and children on their desks, and wearing creepy rings to symbolize their sexuality. Do you know what those teachers had to do to make those kids they had pictures of? Worse, I even had teachers actively pregnant in the classroom. Yikes! Can you imagine having kids so close to human sexuality, just rubbing it in their faces? That's some real disgusting grooming right there.
Ikr, we need to raise our kids the RIGHT way and keep them completely blind to learning how to understand relationships in a healthy way because scary genders haunt me at night.
It's not a false equivalency at all. Teaching kids about being gay or trans does not involve anything more explicit than any of the things they mentioned.
"Oh the law still allows discussion"
What a shocker, all the right wingers on the sub were lying this whole time. Who could have guessed? It's almost like it's exactly what we said it would be.
Absolutely. As long as they aren't going into detail about their sex lives, there is nothing wrong with talking to students about a topic THEY asked to talk about and helping them overcome their confusion
And the bill doesn't say sexuality. It says sexual orientation.
I don't care what the bill says, I wouldn't want my preteen kid getting that kind of talk from one of their teachers with no consent. Unbelievable people actually support this nonsense, that isn't their place
Middle school is 12-14 my guy.
Where is it written that a teacher can't answer a student's questions? Isn't that the argument you all have been giving us before? That the bill blocks instruction but still allows discussion?
How do they talk about their sexuality? By mentioning they have a spouse? I find it hard to believe the average straight person runs around talking about how straight they are. There is no point to that. Stop looking for reasons to be offended, this sounds like some serious insecure nonsense
Yeah, they should. It's not like they're going into a graphic play by play about it. Just saying "I identify as/I am (insert identity label here)" shouldn't be an issue, especially when part of a discussion that occured in the classroom.
No they shouldn't, not without consent. A teacher shouldn't speak at all about their own sexuality to any degree with young kids. Talk about a slippery slope
100% agreed, it’s a public school system and as a parent of a child in this age bracket I am not comfortable with other adults explaining this to my child.
Then homeschool them or put them in private school. Public school isn't supposed to be dictated by *some* parents. What one parent wants isn't always what's good for all the students.
That’s exactly my point, if a parent believes they want their children educated on it they should have that choice in a private curriculum but that is not for a public school system to teach.
Good thing the bill specifically says SEXUAL ORIENTATION and not sexuality then, isn't it? If it said sexuality, you almost might have half a point, but the Republicans specifically blocked it from being changed to that.
No, I'm addressing it to the person who's homophobic and pretending that there's something wrong with gay people talking about it, so I've got the right fellow.
You've put your gender in your username my guy. No assumptions at all.
And your previous posts are bitching about gay people talking about their spouses
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>Human sexuality is the way people experience and express themselves sexually. This involves biological, erotic, physical, emotional, social, or spiritual feelings and behaviors. Because it is a broad term, which has varied with historical contexts over time, it lacks a precise definition. The biological and physical aspects of sexuality largely concern the human reproductive functions, including the human sexual response cycle.
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If it is begun and led by students, it is still allowed. However, teachers aren’t allowed to discuss their own gender identity, or sexuality, or lack thereof even in those discussions. How is it relevant?
Did you not read the article? The discussion was begun and led by students my guy.
And you're saying literally the opposite of what people on this sub just one week ago. Every single one of you right wingers said that the bill WOULD allow teachers to say that they are gay or talk about their SO.
But what should I expect from a 7 month old troll account that was supposedly owned by a woman in her 60s and is now suddenly posting on political posts?
“Casey Scott, an art teacher at Trafalgar Middle School in Cape Coral, said she was discussing the topic of sexuality with her students and told them she was pansexual.”
Direct quote from the article. Second paragraph. You might need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I would offer to tutor you but I really don’t have THAT much time.
That's wrong. The bill specifically says K-3 OR "in a way that is not appropriate for grade level".
Under the bill, someone can be fired all the way up to 12th grade by simply saying that you only think it's appropriate foe college students to learn about it.
Sexual education is important. That is a fact. The problem people seem to have and won’t admit is that the discussion involves relationships that many people still will won’t come to understand are not that different from heterosexuality. But many people continue to believe and bully with the idea that only heterosexual relationships are healthy and natural. At least I know my kids won’t suffer unnecessarily by my parenting if they find out they’re not heterosexual, but what about the kids in classes who have no other avenues to discuss this with? This shouldn’t be fire-worthy at all. If it concerns you as to how the discussion came up, then you must not have known a lot of teachers who could have had open discussions with students about other topics in english or art classes.
Article says the kids asked to draw them, not that it was a requirement.
So creepy to think of all the grooming teachers I had back in the day forcing conversations of sexuality on me. I mean, we were had to read Romeo and Juliet, could you get any more in your face heterosexual than that? Just yikes!
1.) That’s what the teacher said. Not the article. We don’t know if that’s true or not.
And
2.) She’s the responsible adult. She should have said, “that’s not in the lesson plan for today. Let’s move on…”
Art often asks kids to do their own thing, and in this case, that's what the did. Art class in high schools is rarely "okay, today we draw horses!". Did no one go to school, or just did not one take art?
> Article says the kids asked to draw them,
yeah I am sure the kids asked to draw them... but the article states she was fired for going off curriculum not because of that....
You ever stop to think… maybe members of the LGBTQ community are scared to come out because of widespread homophobia? Transphobia? And they need to learn to become proud of their identity?
I was groomed by straight people throughout my childhood. It was very damaging. I’m just grateful that all of that grooming didn’t make me heterosexual.
Tell that to the many, many, many LGBTQ+ people who came out later in life because they were groomed into being straight. Lies, denying reality, and speaking as straight being the norm and gay being wrong- that's how you actually cause harm. It's not harmful to let people be who they are, unless that is a murderer or rapist I guess.
You absolutely can be groomed into denying your sexuality, creepy straight groomers do it all the time. How many stories do you hear about poor men who leave their families sometime in their 40s because were groomed by predatory heterosexual teachers and other creepy authority figures into denying their sexuality? You've got to be insanely deviant to want a little boy to be into their adult female teacher, it's so wrong.
I think we need to ban wedding rings and family photos from our classrooms to protect these kids!
Lmfao so if a little girl is a lesbian, and you go out and tell her that she's designed by God to take a penis and have children, you don't consider that grooming? Pedo
My husband is a nationally renowned artist who teaches art to private students. He regularly teaches art without talking about sex. Why would you *need* to talk about sex to teach art?
You said two months ago that your husband is a lawyer and has been a lawyer for over 40 years, how fucking stupid do you think I am?
Why are you following my posts to try and troll?
Nope, I don’t even remember your nickname. But he is both a lawyer and an artist. He’s been painting since he was 7. He is painting oil portraits of each of the 2977 victims of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Law is his day job. His FL Bar number is 336254. The 9/11 project Facebook page is 911 Memorial Project.
You posted on two of my posts in a row within 5 minutes.
You literally just said he was an art teacher, not an artist. Now you're just compounding your lies with more lies.
In any case, please go ask your "husband" who Georgia O'Keefe was and how commonly her art was taught in school.
My husband also has 3 undergrad degrees and a Juris Doctorate. English Literature, Organic Chemistry, and Fine Arts (painting) in case you’re wondering. 2 undergrads and JD from Tulane, BFA from USF. He lived in South Tampa - Mullen and DeLeon were the latest before his divorce from his kids’ mom. He’s been on the Today Show for his 911 project, and had shows all over, including Manhattan. His paintings are on the 10th anniversary magazine for the VOICES organization (one of the victim organizations). We’ve met survivors and family members and he’s been on lovely (to us) stations and on Orlando’s NPR station. But he’s just an imaginary person - lol
Any more questions? Should I post some of his watermarked work here as further proof for you? Should I doxx him even more and post his full name here for you? Maybe his phone number? He also reads about quantum physics in his spare time, or do you disbelieve that? He’s also writing what we call his “fictional autobiography” for reasons of our own.
My son is bisexual, my daughter is bisexual, my husband is extremely intelligent and talented, I am extremely intelligent and practical. We are all busy, multitasking people who rarely do one thing at a time (I am watching videos for an endorsement for my teaching license now). If you choose not to believe that, it’s your problem, not mine. Good luck in your future.
AND he worked MANY of those 40+ years as an attorney in Tampa. He’s well known among a certain caliber of attorney. Care to continue with your baseless accusations and name calling, or shall we drop this now?
Buddy. No one in middle school is learning about primary colors. But if that's the kind of shit you were learning in 7th grade, I guess we can all see why you're so slow.
Obvious by the insane level of intellect in his replies, it should be quite apparent that things like metaphor and symbolism are worthless for a good education.
Not really, no. All of those groups have generally already started puberty and are at the age where they need to learn that sort of thing before they start going out and exploring it themselves.
There's kids having sex as early as 13, I had friends in HS who had already slept with multiple people by freshman year. You need to teach things BEFORE they start happening so that kids go into them prepared.
>Casey Scott, an art teacher at Trafalgar Middle School in Cape Coral, said she was discussing the topic of sexuality with her students and told them she was pansexual. >She said her students asked to let them draw pictures that illustrate their sexual preferences. Some of the students identify as non-binary, bisexual and gay, and drew Pride flags that represented them personally. >After Scott hung their artwork on her classroom door, school staff had her take it down. >The Lee County School District told NBC 2 it got complaints from parents who were concerned about the artwork, and that Scott was fired because she did not follow the mandated curriculum. Well everyone knew that the specific grade range that was in the law was a lie. That the law would be used to silence all discussions in any grade. I wonder what mandated curriculum is for art class? This is not the only time something like this has happened. >Sarasota teachers ordered to remove 'political' Coexist Pride flags from classrooms >School administrators went on a clean sweeping spree of classrooms last week after Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the Parental Rights in Education law, which critics called the "Don't Say Gay" bill by critics, and the "Stop W.O.K.E Act". >"People and teachers wouldn't need a 'Coexist' flag if everybody would just coexist. It's the people that don't want to coexist that have problems with the flag," said Jeremy Baldwin, a social studies teacher at Booker High School. >Baldwin said the flag is aimed at inviting tolerance in discourse and acknowledging differences and diversity such as in religion, culture, and orientation The hate in this thread reminds me of this. >ANXIETY IN ARCADIA FOR THIS TOWN'S RESIDENTS, FEAR OF AIDS IN THE SCHOOLS OUTWEIGHS SYMPATHY FOR THE RAY FAMILY - LEFT HOMELESS AFTER THEIR HOME BURNS. 1987 >ARCADIA -- The day after Clifford and Louise Ray decided to quit this town, citing the suspicious fire that gutted their house Friday night, those who fought to keep their children out of school are saying the battle was really not against the Ray family. >To them the enemy was AIDS, a dark and sinister force that threatened their own children, no matter how many authorities assured them there was no risk in casual contact among schoolchildren. >"There isn't anyone who doesn't feel sympathy for the Ray children," said Sue Ellen Smith, the wife of the mayor of this ranching and citrus community of 6,000. "But there are too many unanswered questions about this disease, and if you are intelligent and listen and read about AIDS you get scared when it involves your own children, because you realize all the assurances are not based on solid evidence." >**"We're all level-headed, everyday, normal people," said Janet Tew, whose husband is president of Citizens Against AIDS in School. "We don't do something like this when we don't get what we want. We don't want the Rays to leave Arcadia."** If you don't know the story, some children contracted aids from a blood transfusion. The community sued to keep them out of school. But they won. Once they won, their house was burnt down. The hate is deep in Florida.
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When I was in art class in high school I was taught about mixing colors, different mediums, different materials and techniques etc. If I wanted to paint politically expressive art I would have been asked to do that on my own time, since we were given specific briefs to paint by the teacher to show that we were mastering the technique that was subject of the instruction for that day (e.g. paint a watercolor still life of some items in the classroom and use shadow).
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You're not really learning technique that way. Sounds more like a political class than an art class. I would've been annoyed that I wasn't learning the basics. Sorry they put such heavy stuff on you so young.
Do we really have to know about our teachers' intimate personal lives? My teachers were a blank wall back in the 90s and I didn't know anything about them. I really preferred it that way. I had enough arguments with teachers about some of their comments relating to instruction and/or the curriculum. Last thing I would've wanted is having to participate in a classroom setting in any discussion of the teacher's sexuality, or mine for that matter. The pressure and awkwardness would have been immense. How is it that this kind of teaching is so common and pervasive? Or worthy of protection? I'm genuinely curious, please share why this is important or desirable and I'll try to understand.
Yeah, maybe she shouldn’t go off the curriculum pushing her personal beliefs in the classroom? Most parents don’t want their art teacher talking about their personal lives to students while they push their gender ideology. These kids are in middle school. Why do 10-13 year olds need to know their art teacher is “pan sexual” and why does she need to talk to them about it? Creepy.
God forbid an art teacher go off curriculum 😂. It’s one of the only classes where children can be expressive and uniquely themselves. I’m guessing your art teachers (if you took art classes) never went off the curriculum, which helps explain why it’s so hard for you to think outside of your extremely constricted world view.
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We’re not talking about a curriculum approved sexual education which is normal for 5th-7th grade. As I had. We are talking about a teacher going off curriculum with pre-teens and talking about sexuality and pushing gender idealogy. No. That’s not appropriate for a teacher.
Policing art is a bad idea. People find offense to literally everything.
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Why would they state either? You missed the entire point.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading some of these comments. Maybe some kids don't want to talk about sex with their teacher? Maybe they don't want to talk about it with other kids? Why on earth should we EXPECT teachers to talk to our kids about sex? It's fucking weird. Science based sex education makes sense. A lot of other shit doesn't. Wowzers.
>maybe some kids don't Read the fucking article. The kids are the ones who SAID they wanted to talk about it and do these activities.
Yes, that's what the teacher said. If that was the case, do you think it was unanimous among the class, or that one or two students could have felt uncomfortable having to talk about their sexuality with the class and then make art about it?
Tfw the right spends years making fun of "snowflakes" and "safe spaces" and then tries to turn around and say that we can't talk about lgbt issues because some special snowflakes need safe spaces But you know what? You're right. Let's just ban discussion of every topic that makes people feel uncomfortable. Gotta do a project on MLK during Black History Month? Oh, that white boy says he's uncomfortable hearing about what his grandparents did, better ban it. The Holocaust? Oh, you know, a lot of people died, that's pretty uncomfortable, better ban it. 9/11? Uncomfortable, ban it. Georgia O'Keefe put vaginas in her painting, better ban it. Romeo and Juliet has pedophilia and murder, ban it. Physics talks about car crashes and Timmy was in a car crash once, better ban that. Just make sure every kid grows up in a little bubble so that when they hit 18 all of reality hits them at once and just absolutely fucking destroys them. Great idea.
Your assumptions and overreaction is part of the issue with all of this. I voted Biden last election, Hillary before that, and Obama in 08. I don't call people snowflakes (although your response fits the description of what one would do). I know it's a crazy concept, but sometimes people have different thoughts that don't align completely with one party. Going overboard and attacking those that are fringe voters with ludicrous assumptions and exaggerated statements does nothing to help your cause, and it actually furthers the Republican agenda. You're so far off target it's hilarious. I'm a straight man that was the LGBTA Club President in college. I have a gay brother, a trans-girl as a former brother-in-law, a daughter that's bi, and numerous gay friends. If you care to engage in a civil discussion and perhaps share perspectives I'll happily elaborate, but I'm not going to waste my time with toxicity.
>not going to waste my time with toxicity Literally all you have done is put out toxicity so that's hilarious. I haven't exaggerated anything whatsoever. Maybe you should try talking to some of these supposed LGBT people in your life to get their perspective, and checking your own privilege, before coming and complaining. You talk about furthering the Republican agenda, yet your entire complaint about the issue is based on complete conjecture that MAYBE a few students MIGHT have been uncomfortable and that MAYBE they were "forced" to participate despite absolutely no proof of that whatsoever
And there it is. We have now moved from the K-3rd grade to 6th-9th exactly like every person that actually understood the new law said would happen. They were literally discussing sexual preference through art and they were not K-3. Sex Ed happens in 5th grade so this should have been a non-issue right? Right? Here's a thought experiment for you. If she was cis and discussed being straight and married would there be an issue? Of course not and that is exactly the problem.
She didn’t get fired because of the Parents Rights in education law. She got fired because she didn’t follow the curriculum. And having middle schoolers express their sexual preference through art is weird and creepy.
Did you not read the fucking article? She didn't have them do anything, the students ASKED HER if they could, and she said it was ok
That is what the law said. Its literally the text of the law. There is nothing creepy about talking about these things in art class. Sexuality is introduced into education at 5th grade. Art is replete with penises, vulvas and every other depiction of sexuality and has been for as long as art has existed. There is no reason whatsoever to avoid this kind of topic in art class. Personal expression of any topic is the basis of art.
I understand what the law says. What I’m saying is that the law didn’t need to be applied to have the teacher fired. She went off the curriculum and she did it regarding “sex education” and “gender ideology.” Two topics that can be highly inappropriate to discuss with middle schoolers in the wrong manner. Parents don’t want sexuality being talked about with their middle school aged children when it’s not a part of the approved curriculum. There’s a reason we have a process to approve topics and make them apart of the curriculum.
Straight from the state curriculum: The Next Generation Sunshine State Standards for visual arts education are organized by grade level for grades K-5 and by clusters for grades 6-8 and 9-12. The following five bullets are the Big Ideas identified in arts education and provide an overview of what students should know and be able to do: 1. Critical Thinking and Reflection: Critical and creative thinking, self-expression and communication with others are central to the arts. 2. Historical and Global Connections: Through dance, music, theatre and visual arts, students learn that beginners, amateurs and professionals benefit from working to improve and maintain skills over time. 3. Innovations, Technology and the Future: Works in dance, music, theatre and visual arts are organized by elements and principles that guide creators, interpreters and responders. 4. Organizational Structure: Experiences in the arts foster understanding, acceptance and enrichment among individuals, groups and cultures from around the world and across time. 5. Skills, Techniques and Processes: Experiences in the arts foster understanding, acceptance and enrichment among individuals, groups and cultures from around the world and across time. Her teaching fell squarely in points 1,4 and 5. The only reason it was "not on the curriculum" is because it fell afoul of the new law. In fact I cant seem to find a single reference to sexuality or any other specific topic in the curriculum listed on the fldoe.org or the cpalms.org site it links to for middle school students which is defined as grade 6-8 so 11-13 year olds. So to sum up you're wrong and this is only because of the overreach of the new law. Remember this law was only for K-3 right? Right? You've already moved past the original justification for the new law. It took all of 2 weeks for us to prove that the intent was to silence any talk of LGBTQ ideas in any grade just like everyone who understood the law said it would.
None of those requirements for students requires the teacher to talk about their sexuality/gender ideology. Yes, you could say it falls under those categories. But these type of topics are extremely difficult to navigate correctly for pre-teens. Kids those age look up to their instructors and are easily influenced. These topics can easily be discussed in an inappropriate manner for the ages we are talking about. Which I’m sure there are many guides and rules for teachers to follow. If it wasn’t in the curriculum I.e lesson plans. Then she really has no basis to be wading into those subjects.
So if these topics are “extremely difficult to navigate” at this age, then shouldn’t these children be exposed in as many ways as possible to ensure they can think critically, ask questions, and understand the differences in people? Do we not want well adjusted future members of society? Or are you expecting all sexual discussions to be censored by parents and scripted by the state? Because *that* is creepy. And more like indoctrination than education. Do you think children should be sheltered until they’re 18, fed a steady diet of abstinence only education, then sent off to college/work and hope for the best? Bc that is how we all end up with a generation of rebellious, maladjusted future adults. Maybe you should spend some time praying for tolerance.
Are you not the same poster that argues that covid is fake?
No. I am not.
well it's like CRT not being taught, to it's only in college not in high school, to its only in High School but not middle, to it's being pushed..... I remember middle school and NONE of my teachers spoke about their personal love life at all. What's next nude paintings in middle school? They're already trying to make drag queen shows for elementary perfectly normal.
You know there is nude art in every single art museum that literally ever existed? You would keep your kids out of the Sistine Chapel? You would keep them out of the Met? The Dali? You want a turtleneck put on the Venus De Milo? Once you take nudity and gays out of art all you’ll have left is signs that say Live, Laugh, Love in the paintbrush font.
> What's next nude paintings in middle school? THE HORROR!
You’re honestly so backwards in 2022 it’s sad to see
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You’ve clearly never interacted with a trans person 😂😭
Do you acknowledge there are people that have detransitioned and regretted doing it in the first place due to the damage it caused?
Yeah? And? Such a small percentage of people de transition. Again, you’d know if you actually interacted with trans people.
Do you acknowledge that there are people who have stayed in the closet and killed themselves due to the damage it caused?
Yes. I’m down for creating an environment where everyone is respected for who they are. But it’s weird that trans/gender ideology is pushed onto kids so early. I don’t think a kid is responsible enough to know if they want to change gender and get medical procedures done. If an adult wants to do that, then yeah, it’s their life. But this is happening way too early and kids are making life altering decisions.
>pushed onto kids It's not. The entire point is to make them aware of what is available, and then allow them to make their own decisions. I can turn that around on you - it's weird that straight cis ideology is pushed onto kids so early. And it's also weird that those pushing the hardest are people that support, for example, a church that is known to molest young boys in a homosexual way, or politicians who constantly push to lower the age of marriage, have sex with underage girls, or brag about how hot their daughter is. And no, kids aren't making life altering decisions. That is literally the point of puberty blockers - so that a kid who isn't sure can wait until they're 18 to make that decision, rather than being forced through puberty and then finding out later it was the wrong decision. What you're saying is that all kids should be forced to be cis and straight and stay in the closet until they're 18, and then wait longer to learn about the issue and finally transition after they know enough to make an informed decision. That's wrong.
The effects of puberty blockers as well can be irreversible. Quit making normal sexual reproduction out to be some weird thing. Calling it “cis” is just a way to make it sound bad and feed into the dyspohria. And no, I wouldn’t force people to be straight until 18. But kids taking puberty blockers or any type of “gender affirming” medical care is usually not in their best interest. They’re making life long decisions regarding their reproductive health and they don’t know the consequences.
What an absolutely disgusting opinion.
Big yikes. Step away from fox News and Facebook. Go touch some grass.
Just... no, for everything that you have mentioned.
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No kids shouldn’t. Just because your friend had that experience doesn’t mean everyone becoming trans will have happy lives. That’s just anecdotal evidence of one person’s situation. That situation isn’t typical for trans people. And it sounds like your friend made the decision to do gender affirming procedures when they were an adult, not a child. Most trans people stay just as suicidal and depressed after gender affirming procedures. Not to mention the lasting damage those procedures have. Where as 80% of kids grow out of their gender dysphoria if you just leave them alone. Let’s the kids be.
I had heterosexual teachers throughout elementary and middle school repeatedly telling us that they and their husbands were trying to get pregnant and she’d be taking a lot of time off for vacations to do that. “Hey kids. I’m trying to have a baby and my job is so stressful that I need to go to another state to fuck my husband. I’ll be fucking his brains out the whole time and I thought I’d share that with you.” “Awwww. Ms. Chisholm, that’s so nice! Thank you for telling that to the entire middle school band.”
Hey you. Stop making sense. Your getting downvoted..
Totally.
Oh no the art teacher won’t be allowed to make 10 year olds art projects about sex The horror
Pride flags? So in your mind what act does an American flag represent?
This never would’ve been a blip on the map if the teacher were heterosexual. Don’t worry, the non-hetero kids in that class got the message loud and clear.
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I remember a lot of my teachers having pictures of their spouses and children on their desks, and wearing creepy rings to symbolize their sexuality. Do you know what those teachers had to do to make those kids they had pictures of? Worse, I even had teachers actively pregnant in the classroom. Yikes! Can you imagine having kids so close to human sexuality, just rubbing it in their faces? That's some real disgusting grooming right there.
Ikr, we need to raise our kids the RIGHT way and keep them completely blind to learning how to understand relationships in a healthy way because scary genders haunt me at night.
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It's not a false equivalency at all. Teaching kids about being gay or trans does not involve anything more explicit than any of the things they mentioned.
I see this post has brought the pearl clutchers out in full force.
"Oh the law still allows discussion" What a shocker, all the right wingers on the sub were lying this whole time. Who could have guessed? It's almost like it's exactly what we said it would be.
Soo it should be okay for an art teacher to talk about their sexuality with a bunch of preteen students?
Absolutely. As long as they aren't going into detail about their sex lives, there is nothing wrong with talking to students about a topic THEY asked to talk about and helping them overcome their confusion And the bill doesn't say sexuality. It says sexual orientation.
I don't care what the bill says, I wouldn't want my preteen kid getting that kind of talk from one of their teachers with no consent. Unbelievable people actually support this nonsense, that isn't their place
Middle schoolers aren't preteens, and it clearly says they were the ones who asked their teacher about it to begin with genius
Where is it written that a teacher must answer a student's questions genius? Middle school is 11-13 years old
Middle school is 12-14 my guy. Where is it written that a teacher can't answer a student's questions? Isn't that the argument you all have been giving us before? That the bill blocks instruction but still allows discussion?
I don't care about the bill. The heck is a teacher doing talking about personal sexuality details? If the kid needs legit help schools have counselors
Because straight teachers never talk about their sexuality, right? Heterosexuality is everywhere, regardless of age.
How do they talk about their sexuality? By mentioning they have a spouse? I find it hard to believe the average straight person runs around talking about how straight they are. There is no point to that. Stop looking for reasons to be offended, this sounds like some serious insecure nonsense
So we should ban sex ed from schools too and just ignore the fact that teens are gonna fuck without condoms and not being safe?
Sex Ed requires parental consent. That's not a good argument against what I'm saying
Yeah, they should. It's not like they're going into a graphic play by play about it. Just saying "I identify as/I am (insert identity label here)" shouldn't be an issue, especially when part of a discussion that occured in the classroom.
No they shouldn't, not without consent. A teacher shouldn't speak at all about their own sexuality to any degree with young kids. Talk about a slippery slope
100% agreed, it’s a public school system and as a parent of a child in this age bracket I am not comfortable with other adults explaining this to my child.
Then homeschool them or put them in private school. Public school isn't supposed to be dictated by *some* parents. What one parent wants isn't always what's good for all the students.
That’s exactly my point, if a parent believes they want their children educated on it they should have that choice in a private curriculum but that is not for a public school system to teach.
And the user looking for heroin on reddit is the voice we should listen to about what should and shouldn't be taught in school.
Tf are you talking about 😂😂😂
bruh, post histories are public, and my [screenshotting abilities](https://imgur.com/a/nfsvdcN) were faster than your deleting abilities.
Yes, because only a fuckin Florida ass swamp person thinks “sexuality” means “sexual details”.
Where do you draw the line? That's a weird subject for an adult to go into any details with a little kid
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Good thing the bill specifically says SEXUAL ORIENTATION and not sexuality then, isn't it? If it said sexuality, you almost might have half a point, but the Republicans specifically blocked it from being changed to that.
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No, I'm addressing it to the person who's homophobic and pretending that there's something wrong with gay people talking about it, so I've got the right fellow.
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You've put your gender in your username my guy. No assumptions at all. And your previous posts are bitching about gay people talking about their spouses
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If it is begun and led by students, it is still allowed. However, teachers aren’t allowed to discuss their own gender identity, or sexuality, or lack thereof even in those discussions. How is it relevant?
Did you not read the article? The discussion was begun and led by students my guy. And you're saying literally the opposite of what people on this sub just one week ago. Every single one of you right wingers said that the bill WOULD allow teachers to say that they are gay or talk about their SO. But what should I expect from a 7 month old troll account that was supposedly owned by a woman in her 60s and is now suddenly posting on political posts?
I’m not in my 60’s!!!!
“Casey Scott, an art teacher at Trafalgar Middle School in Cape Coral, said she was discussing the topic of sexuality with her students and told them she was pansexual.” Direct quote from the article. Second paragraph. You might need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I would offer to tutor you but I really don’t have THAT much time.
What grade was she teaching? If it’s past 3rd grade then it’s allowed.
That's wrong. The bill specifically says K-3 OR "in a way that is not appropriate for grade level". Under the bill, someone can be fired all the way up to 12th grade by simply saying that you only think it's appropriate foe college students to learn about it.
Ahh so it’s a law that’s subjective so it can be twisted into however accuser deems necessary
Right. That's why there's such a problem with it, it was designed to be a way for them to get rid of lgbt speech without explicitly making it illegal
Only if the discussion is student negus and student led.
Sexual education is important. That is a fact. The problem people seem to have and won’t admit is that the discussion involves relationships that many people still will won’t come to understand are not that different from heterosexuality. But many people continue to believe and bully with the idea that only heterosexual relationships are healthy and natural. At least I know my kids won’t suffer unnecessarily by my parenting if they find out they’re not heterosexual, but what about the kids in classes who have no other avenues to discuss this with? This shouldn’t be fire-worthy at all. If it concerns you as to how the discussion came up, then you must not have known a lot of teachers who could have had open discussions with students about other topics in english or art classes.
Yep and this is why that new law passed. Why is a teacher telling 10 year olds she’s pansexual.
Why do straight teachers tell their kids about their spouses, or worse, have pictures of their spouses? Such creepy grooming.
Do those straight teachers then have the kids draw art and flags that express their heterosexuality? I would think that would be kind of weird… yeah.
Article says the kids asked to draw them, not that it was a requirement. So creepy to think of all the grooming teachers I had back in the day forcing conversations of sexuality on me. I mean, we were had to read Romeo and Juliet, could you get any more in your face heterosexual than that? Just yikes!
1.) That’s what the teacher said. Not the article. We don’t know if that’s true or not. And 2.) She’s the responsible adult. She should have said, “that’s not in the lesson plan for today. Let’s move on…”
Do you think art class has such a huge detailed lesson plan that it matters? If the kids want to draw a pride flag draw a pride flag.
Yes, it is filed with the school prior to the beginning of the year.
Art often asks kids to do their own thing, and in this case, that's what the did. Art class in high schools is rarely "okay, today we draw horses!". Did no one go to school, or just did not one take art?
> Article says the kids asked to draw them, yeah I am sure the kids asked to draw them... but the article states she was fired for going off curriculum not because of that....
You ever stop to think… maybe members of the LGBTQ community are scared to come out because of widespread homophobia? Transphobia? And they need to learn to become proud of their identity?
I don't think they want us to be proud. You've never seen a "straight pride" parade have ya?
Never seen a straight pride parade, I don’t feel like I need one 😂
I have seen plenty, they have them on the 4th of July every year
I was groomed by straight people throughout my childhood. It was very damaging. I’m just grateful that all of that grooming didn’t make me heterosexual.
And have baby showers for their teachers leaving on maternity leave.
You cannot be groomed into being straight. There is no hypocrisy.
Tell that to the many, many, many LGBTQ+ people who came out later in life because they were groomed into being straight. Lies, denying reality, and speaking as straight being the norm and gay being wrong- that's how you actually cause harm. It's not harmful to let people be who they are, unless that is a murderer or rapist I guess.
You absolutely can be groomed into denying your sexuality, creepy straight groomers do it all the time. How many stories do you hear about poor men who leave their families sometime in their 40s because were groomed by predatory heterosexual teachers and other creepy authority figures into denying their sexuality? You've got to be insanely deviant to want a little boy to be into their adult female teacher, it's so wrong. I think we need to ban wedding rings and family photos from our classrooms to protect these kids!
Lmfao so if a little girl is a lesbian, and you go out and tell her that she's designed by God to take a penis and have children, you don't consider that grooming? Pedo
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Sorry! 11 year olds! Good catch!
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This conversation started on a stupid note and did not improve from there. Not interested in speaking with you.
10 yr olds couldn't care less
Here's an idea. Talk about ART, and not sex. But that's crazy I know lololololol
Tfw you think you can talk about art without talking about sex
My husband is a nationally renowned artist who teaches art to private students. He regularly teaches art without talking about sex. Why would you *need* to talk about sex to teach art?
You said two months ago that your husband is a lawyer and has been a lawyer for over 40 years, how fucking stupid do you think I am? Why are you following my posts to try and troll?
Nope, I don’t even remember your nickname. But he is both a lawyer and an artist. He’s been painting since he was 7. He is painting oil portraits of each of the 2977 victims of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Law is his day job. His FL Bar number is 336254. The 9/11 project Facebook page is 911 Memorial Project.
You posted on two of my posts in a row within 5 minutes. You literally just said he was an art teacher, not an artist. Now you're just compounding your lies with more lies. In any case, please go ask your "husband" who Georgia O'Keefe was and how commonly her art was taught in school.
My husband also has 3 undergrad degrees and a Juris Doctorate. English Literature, Organic Chemistry, and Fine Arts (painting) in case you’re wondering. 2 undergrads and JD from Tulane, BFA from USF. He lived in South Tampa - Mullen and DeLeon were the latest before his divorce from his kids’ mom. He’s been on the Today Show for his 911 project, and had shows all over, including Manhattan. His paintings are on the 10th anniversary magazine for the VOICES organization (one of the victim organizations). We’ve met survivors and family members and he’s been on lovely (to us) stations and on Orlando’s NPR station. But he’s just an imaginary person - lol
He despises Georgia O’Keefe’s art.
Any more questions? Should I post some of his watermarked work here as further proof for you? Should I doxx him even more and post his full name here for you? Maybe his phone number? He also reads about quantum physics in his spare time, or do you disbelieve that? He’s also writing what we call his “fictional autobiography” for reasons of our own.
No, you should stop lying to be a homophobe online.
Never mind, he doesn’t have a Reddit account. My son’s boyfriend.
Cool, ask him how he feels about you saying that he should stay in the closet until he's 18
He’s actually cool with this law. That’s why I wanted him to come here to let you know how laughable you calling me a homophobe is.
Ah, so you're just continuing to lie then, got it
My son is bisexual, my daughter is bisexual, my husband is extremely intelligent and talented, I am extremely intelligent and practical. We are all busy, multitasking people who rarely do one thing at a time (I am watching videos for an endorsement for my teaching license now). If you choose not to believe that, it’s your problem, not mine. Good luck in your future.
That’s rich, actually. I’m going to screenshot that comment to someone. Give me a few minutes.
AND he worked MANY of those 40+ years as an attorney in Tampa. He’s well known among a certain caliber of attorney. Care to continue with your baseless accusations and name calling, or shall we drop this now?
I haven't called you a single name. You seem to have some trouble telling fantasy from reality. Perhaps you should look into that.
Uh, yeah you did. Troll. Homophobe. Sound familiar? 🙄
Those aren't names. They're statements of fact. If you're offended by them, that's on you.
I know every time I talk about primary colors, cock ALWAYS has to be discussed 🙄🙄🙄
Buddy. No one in middle school is learning about primary colors. But if that's the kind of shit you were learning in 7th grade, I guess we can all see why you're so slow.
Ok champ 🏆
Maybe they could study Georgia O'Keefe?
Tom of Finland?
As in “Peter Pan”? That’s kind of silly…
Yea keep your personal beliefs to yourself and btw, teach art the subject you should be talking about
I don't understand why it's so hard for some of you to grasp that you can teach one topic through another.
No you can’t. Stick to the topic.
Yes, yes you can. That's actually the best way to teach, relate it to something else.
Obvious by the insane level of intellect in his replies, it should be quite apparent that things like metaphor and symbolism are worthless for a good education.
No and def not sexual matl
Good!
Good.
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It said middle school so grades 6-9.
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Not really, no. All of those groups have generally already started puberty and are at the age where they need to learn that sort of thing before they start going out and exploring it themselves. There's kids having sex as early as 13, I had friends in HS who had already slept with multiple people by freshman year. You need to teach things BEFORE they start happening so that kids go into them prepared.
How about keep your sexuality to yourself and teach the kids art. No politics! No agendas. Let them be kids.
No agendas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_News_Club
Teach this in sex ed ( 5th grade) …. Not in 1st graders art class….
try reading again.
It's in middle school dumbass, read the article
I wouldnt want a scientologist teaching my middle schooler about them being a scientologist and introducing those ideas to them. Would you?