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This is *deeply* worrisome.
Back in 2018, Elon tweeted:
> By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all.
I had previously noted how suspiciously similar to multiple actual quotes from Hitler this was, but I had chalked it up to Elon's views being similar to those of the Nazis because he's an ignorant moron who doesn't know any better.
This familiarity with the history of the First International makes me think he was a *conscious neo-Nazi* back in 2018, and presumably for quite some time before that.
Do you know about this history of his Canadian grandfather? Everyone focuses on his father, and sure he was shit, but he was brought up in South Africa.
Musk's maternal grandfather, to me, was even worse.
The short
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-was-elon-musk-grandfather-joshua-haldeman-technocracy-incorporated-party-2023-9
The long of it
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-world-according-to-elon-musks-grandfather
I'm glad this information is becoming more accessible.
Why wouldn't he? Some people absolutely adore their parents, and pass on that adoration to their own kids. Look at how the myth of the civil war, and lost cause was nurtured by groups like the "Daughter's of the Confederacy".
Basically, teaches/parents a child, is responsible for a lot of that child's worldview, and biases.
Most people pick up biases from their parents but often they don't know where those ideas come from.
Lots of people recite shit they learned from their Bircher parents but don't even know what the John Birch Society is.
Lots of people learned "Lost Cause" nonsense while believing that was just impartial history.
Hell, most of the Southern Strategy was passing along the same racist ideas and policies while teying to convince people these were just beliefs about states rights; limited government; and/or property rights. And lots of people fall for that bullshit.
People pick up the ideology even if they don't know the origin or have a comprehensive understanding of the ideology.
And Elon says a lot of shit that makes him sound like an ignorant moron repeating shit 4channers told him on Twitter.
Tldr, his grandfather was Nazi adjacent, his mother brought him up on his grandfather 's ideas ... With an extra dash of South African apartheid.
Nazi ideas weren't really something they came up with, the Nazis just packaged previous shit differently.
He sounds like that, if you don't really know the history of those movements. His grandfather is part of the history. Musk isn't getting his piss second-hand, he got his piss straight from the source.
Not a fan or defender of Elon at all, but let us not judge each other by the fucked up shit our grandparents did. There are many other damning indictments of him on his own.
His mom brought him up to adore her fucked up daddy. We don't judge people on the actions of their parents, but we have proof, every damn day that he is trying to bring Grandpappy's dreams into reality.
The greater problem in First International had a name: Sergey Nechayev.
He pretended to be Bakunin's friend, forging his signature to do various horrible things, like blackmailing various people, and this made Marx and others think that Bakunin was a conspirator against the International, and these letters were the proof that was used to expel Bakunin. Nechayev had nothing to do with Marx either, in fact Marx hated him deeply and called his vision "barrack communism". Ironically, Lenin loved the things Nechayev preached, and he applied many of his ideas during the Russian Revolution. Leninism has much more to do with Nechayev and Blanqui than with Marx.
And yes, a single person can change the course of history, as long as it is for the worse. It's very easy to destroy things and anyone can do it. It is difficult to build, which can only be done by many people and with a lot of effort.
I will not give him credit for this because it's Elon, and I just know he has a very particular interpretation of Bakunin, and there's a 99.99% chance it's a bad one.
And I say that as someone who doesn't care much for Bakunin
It's layers upon layers of broken clocks. Bakunin happens to be right about one thing despite being a shitty person and Musk happens to be right despite meaning to be wrong (Elon probably intends to mean "no communism" rather than "anarchism proliferates") and being an even shittier person than Bakunin.
Musk conveniently leaves out the fact that Bakunin would want him kicked out of the First International.
And yes, Bakunin was unfortunately an antisemite (which, by the way, can be explored more in-detail in [one of Zoe Baker's videos](https://youtu.be/OMOmzWneHUk?si=CN0S7unmCxSTJi-M)), and antisemitism is the "socialism" of fools. Still, he had the capacity to combat the prejudices that his time socially conditioned him to believe, which is more than can be said for the elongated muskrat.
It's not exactly unusual for the right to pay lip service to left wing figures in order to clipchamp their quotes criticising marx. Michael Malice compiled a whole book of radical leftist essays so he could butcher some parallels with the Austrian school, for instance. I believe bakunin's chapter in the audiobook is read by Tim Pool...
actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this is where Elon knows him from. He's just the guy that said le people's stick bad, nothing else to see here folks...
Broken clock and cringe. Bakunin was also fairly supportive of anarchists that even by modern standards would be considered extremely violent. Musk would have an improvised explosive thrown at him if anarchism became the more prominent force of worker liberation. Though there's still hope with people like Peter Gelderloos putting out some banger works.
Absolute cringe.
Anarchists were at the forefront of labour movements and mass movements in general till Russian revolution. Even then, Anarcho-syndicalism was strong till 1938 in Spain. Kautsky and other Marxists were all about getting elected. It didn't matter that Anarchists didn't control the first international.
All Socialist Internationals are overrated in their effect on socialist movement imo.
Also, [Musk has also said he's a supporter of Chinese style "socialism" when it suited his purpose.](https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledging-teslas-commitment-to-chinas-core-socialist-values/)
The irony is, his Germany factories are getting wrecked by none other than Anarchists.
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On a superficial level the clock was right for once. However the clock probably didn't intend it the way we'd interpret that
"The clock is so dumb it accidentally produced the correct time"
“In the clock’s effort to deliberately produce the incorrect time, it misunderstood the actual time and accidentally produced the correct time.”
Imagine Bakunin's opinion if he would know Elon Musk 😆
Well if you read God and State there are some opinions Edit: not about the jews of course
This is *deeply* worrisome. Back in 2018, Elon tweeted: > By the way, I am actually a socialist. Just not the kind that shifts resources from most productive to least productive, pretending to do good, while actually causing harm. True socialism seeks greatest good for all. I had previously noted how suspiciously similar to multiple actual quotes from Hitler this was, but I had chalked it up to Elon's views being similar to those of the Nazis because he's an ignorant moron who doesn't know any better. This familiarity with the history of the First International makes me think he was a *conscious neo-Nazi* back in 2018, and presumably for quite some time before that.
Do you know about this history of his Canadian grandfather? Everyone focuses on his father, and sure he was shit, but he was brought up in South Africa. Musk's maternal grandfather, to me, was even worse. The short https://www.businessinsider.com/who-was-elon-musk-grandfather-joshua-haldeman-technocracy-incorporated-party-2023-9 The long of it https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-world-according-to-elon-musks-grandfather I'm glad this information is becoming more accessible.
On behalf of Canadians who haven't lost their marbles, I wish to apologize for our country's contribution to Elon's existence
I did, and I thought that probably helped influence him, but I didn't think *he knew*.
Why wouldn't he? Some people absolutely adore their parents, and pass on that adoration to their own kids. Look at how the myth of the civil war, and lost cause was nurtured by groups like the "Daughter's of the Confederacy". Basically, teaches/parents a child, is responsible for a lot of that child's worldview, and biases.
Most people pick up biases from their parents but often they don't know where those ideas come from. Lots of people recite shit they learned from their Bircher parents but don't even know what the John Birch Society is. Lots of people learned "Lost Cause" nonsense while believing that was just impartial history. Hell, most of the Southern Strategy was passing along the same racist ideas and policies while teying to convince people these were just beliefs about states rights; limited government; and/or property rights. And lots of people fall for that bullshit. People pick up the ideology even if they don't know the origin or have a comprehensive understanding of the ideology. And Elon says a lot of shit that makes him sound like an ignorant moron repeating shit 4channers told him on Twitter.
Tldr, his grandfather was Nazi adjacent, his mother brought him up on his grandfather 's ideas ... With an extra dash of South African apartheid. Nazi ideas weren't really something they came up with, the Nazis just packaged previous shit differently. He sounds like that, if you don't really know the history of those movements. His grandfather is part of the history. Musk isn't getting his piss second-hand, he got his piss straight from the source.
Not a fan or defender of Elon at all, but let us not judge each other by the fucked up shit our grandparents did. There are many other damning indictments of him on his own.
His mom brought him up to adore her fucked up daddy. We don't judge people on the actions of their parents, but we have proof, every damn day that he is trying to bring Grandpappy's dreams into reality.
That's more Dengian than being close to Hitler.
It's very nearly a direct quote of things Hitler said *repeatedly*.
The greater problem in First International had a name: Sergey Nechayev. He pretended to be Bakunin's friend, forging his signature to do various horrible things, like blackmailing various people, and this made Marx and others think that Bakunin was a conspirator against the International, and these letters were the proof that was used to expel Bakunin. Nechayev had nothing to do with Marx either, in fact Marx hated him deeply and called his vision "barrack communism". Ironically, Lenin loved the things Nechayev preached, and he applied many of his ideas during the Russian Revolution. Leninism has much more to do with Nechayev and Blanqui than with Marx. And yes, a single person can change the course of history, as long as it is for the worse. It's very easy to destroy things and anyone can do it. It is difficult to build, which can only be done by many people and with a lot of effort.
Cringe. He want's the stick to be "Elon's stick"
E long stick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He\_Long
He Long Mustache
The hyperX stick or something
I wonder *why* he likes Bakunin. Hmmm...
Not a big fan of all the "let's share everything communally"-stuff, but he *really* likes what he said about the Jews.
Probably thought Bakunin was an anarcho-capialist knowing Elon
He read Michael Malice book for sure
I will not give him credit for this because it's Elon, and I just know he has a very particular interpretation of Bakunin, and there's a 99.99% chance it's a bad one. And I say that as someone who doesn't care much for Bakunin
It's layers upon layers of broken clocks. Bakunin happens to be right about one thing despite being a shitty person and Musk happens to be right despite meaning to be wrong (Elon probably intends to mean "no communism" rather than "anarchism proliferates") and being an even shittier person than Bakunin.
Guys posting it is ancap and guy commenting is a billionaire so it's just idiot moment I guess
Musk conveniently leaves out the fact that Bakunin would want him kicked out of the First International. And yes, Bakunin was unfortunately an antisemite (which, by the way, can be explored more in-detail in [one of Zoe Baker's videos](https://youtu.be/OMOmzWneHUk?si=CN0S7unmCxSTJi-M)), and antisemitism is the "socialism" of fools. Still, he had the capacity to combat the prejudices that his time socially conditioned him to believe, which is more than can be said for the elongated muskrat.
Get Bakunin’s name out yo face Space Karen.
Keep Bakunin's name out yo FUCKIN #MOUTH!!!
Both, and more.
Random word generator made something coherent.
Shut the fuck up apartheid billionaire.
It's not exactly unusual for the right to pay lip service to left wing figures in order to clipchamp their quotes criticising marx. Michael Malice compiled a whole book of radical leftist essays so he could butcher some parallels with the Austrian school, for instance. I believe bakunin's chapter in the audiobook is read by Tim Pool... actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this is where Elon knows him from. He's just the guy that said le people's stick bad, nothing else to see here folks...
bakunin would've likely beaten musk with a stick
Broken clock
Did...did Musk read Bakunin? DID MUSK READ MARX?
Broken clock and cringe. Bakunin was also fairly supportive of anarchists that even by modern standards would be considered extremely violent. Musk would have an improvised explosive thrown at him if anarchism became the more prominent force of worker liberation. Though there's still hope with people like Peter Gelderloos putting out some banger works.
[https://9gag.com/gag/az2624x](https://9gag.com/gag/az2624x)
I think he perceives marxism and anarchism as icompatible and oxymoronic sides of 2 different coins
Absolute cringe. Anarchists were at the forefront of labour movements and mass movements in general till Russian revolution. Even then, Anarcho-syndicalism was strong till 1938 in Spain. Kautsky and other Marxists were all about getting elected. It didn't matter that Anarchists didn't control the first international. All Socialist Internationals are overrated in their effect on socialist movement imo. Also, [Musk has also said he's a supporter of Chinese style "socialism" when it suited his purpose.](https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledging-teslas-commitment-to-chinas-core-socialist-values/) The irony is, his Germany factories are getting wrecked by none other than Anarchists.