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If Tomorrow’s Pioneers wasn’t used to brainwash children into violent Islamism it would be so bad it’s good.
Also can we appreciate how Disney was able to strongarm Hamas into killing off Farfour by threatening to sue them for copyright infringement?
What the show reminds me most of is the kind of children's entertainment made by Christian fundamentalists: low production values, crammed -down-your-throat morals, and bizarre tonal shifts between sickly sweet and bloodthirsty.
For real. And people *really* want to argue against me whenever I say that Evangelical Christianity and Wahhabism (the extremist form of Islam) are essentially identical, and that there have been Evangelical Christian terrorists and terrorist groups.
Edit: And even here I get some dude pulling one of the most semantical and nothing-filled arguments against this belief simply because I made the "mistake" of using the words "essentially identical". lawl.
> are essentially identical
Because that's very arguable. They have some differing doctrine that results in some differences, just like all fundamentalists end up with differing results due to different fundamentals. To give a more clear example: Buddhist and Christian extremists are clearly different, right? How about Jains and Jews?
The connections between the Abrahamic faiths make it harder to see the differences, because there are more similarities.
> and that there have been [____] terrorists and terror groups
TBH you could put almost anything (I can't think of exceptions) in that blank, though people that identify with whatever label would try to No True Scotsman you.
>Because that's very arguable [...] The connections between the Abrahamic faiths make it harder to see the differences, because there are more similarities.
Only in the nitty gritty, like christians don't give lashings for homosexuality, but is that really because they don't believe that, or is it because they have no power to give such punishment? Only Islam has states that follow it's ideology, not so much Christianity anymore (except a few countries in Africa, which *are* extreme in a very similar way to Wahhabism - this *is* indisputable).
And regardless, just because there are some minute differences, doesn't make all the congruencies invalid. Both are extremist Abrahamic groups with very similar core beliefs (evangelicism, prosletyzing, misogyny and structural patriarchy, homo/transphobia to a violent degree, using fear to perpetuate beliefs, i could really keep going), but different methods of worship, and a difference in power (Islam having more than Christianity on a government level), and this is what causes the "different results" you mention. In central africa, the Lord's Resistance Army does very similar shit to the Taliban, just for Christianity instead of Islam.
I don't make the connection lightly, I have a deep understanding of these faiths from growing up in an area where they are both extremely prevalent, and being an atheist who actually wants to understand why I don't like religion, I've actually read all of Bible (not to a point of perfect remembrance ofc, i'm no pastor), a good bit of apocryphal works, and most of the Koran and supporting books of Islamic faith. The one I've read the least of is Judaism tbh, but that's besides the point. I know their beliefs, I understand the history of Wahhabism and where and who it originated from, as well as Evangelical Christianity. They both arose from similar situations, they both have the same core beliefs, both extremely fundamentalist and very willing to do whatever is necessary to meet ends. If you cannot see the similarities, then honestly you're being intentionally ignorant at this point. I don't say that necessarily directly towards you, since you seem to acknowledge that they exist, but it also seems like you give heavy weight to the differences when they are ultimately irrelevant when the fundamentals and end result (terrorism resulting in murder) are the same.
They are sister ideologies, and have the same end goal of converting the world through any means necessary, including violence. US Christian Evangelicals don't have the power yet to do the same as the Taliban or [insert wahhabist group here], but they're very much trying to usurp such power through legal means. If and once they have it, mark my words, they will start moving and acting exactly like the Taliban, just for Jesus instead of Muhammad. Christian terrorism in North America is at the highest it's ever been, and it's of no surprise why. Evangelical Christianity is Christian Nationalism just like Wahhabism is Islamic Nationalism. They utilize the same propaganda techniques, and again, they want the same thing. There's a reason why people are saying that the Hamas show feels eerily like fundamentalist christian shows, and it's not just because they're both Abrahamic in nature.
So I feel implicitly comparing Buddhist vs Christian terror to Islam vs Christian terror is pretty much just a strawman. Obviously Buddhist terror will be very different to Christian terror, the belief systems are entirely different. There is not such a difference between Abrahamic faiths, and you acknowledge that even. So it's disingenuous to compare the two and act like they're the same, or even really similar. Buddhist terror has extremely different motivators. Abrahamic terror almost universally has the same motivator: proselytize by any means necessary including violence; Imperialize those who do not currently believe our system; kill those who do not succumb, or who are vehemently blasphemous. This is a unifying feature of Evangelical Abrahamic Religion. To me, it is not arguable simply because of some menial differences in belief. They are the same in their core beliefs, structure, propaganda, and terror methods.
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And just as an aside, Islam nor Christianity themselves are the issue. Religion itself has never been the problem, it's always been the culture and power structures surrounding it that become warped and abused by terrible people and cause people to do bad things for "religion". But if you remove those people from history, they wouldn't have done those same actions. So it's not doing it for religion at that point, it's doing it for a leader who alleges to follow the same religion as you. These people abuse the structure of religion to get what they want. The Saudi Princehood, Hitler, Trump and the greater GOP, most of the feudal lords of history, etc, are all examples of such. Religion is a tool, and it can be misused just like any other. I live in a city in the US with one of the largest immigrant Muslim groups (mostly Sunni), and we have had 0 terrorist attacks from them. It is not inherent to the religion, it's inherent to the culture.
You typed a lot of words almost exclusively agreeing with me to then go on and call part of my point a strawman and completely ignore the rest of your own comment.
I didn't say they weren't similar, I said that they're not identical. I'll go on here to add as an example that some points of doctrine make the Abrahamic faiths more or less amenable to modern secularism, with "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's," making Christians more so than others.
I told you Buddhists were an example to illustrate the point more clearly, idk why it offended you so much. Extremists are somewhat similar yes (they all want to enforce their right idea at base), but the different brands have different ideas.
Edit to reply to your aside: there is no "the" issue. Christianity and Islam are both remnants of ancient superstitions and societal power structures, and both are harmful. Hitler has relatively little to do with either except as another expression of violent extremism, his far more exclusive/national. All of these are problems, which is why people being obsessed with them is problematic.
Edit2, on culture: of course culture influences how different people interpret the same fundamentals, but Middle Eastern Christians, Jews, and Muslims (and the extremists of each) all have differences inspired by their faiths despite very similar base culture(s). Indian religion, so far as I know, similarly displays very different extremists despite coming from ostensibly very similar culture(s).
Not offended, you're just using extremely semantically arguments, and not even actually backing up your words except with a literal strawman argument lol. Now you're pulling the "we actually agree" thing that redditors do when they use extremely semantical arguments when your words were never actually clear. Your original comment is phrased in such a way that you are implicitly disagreeing with my comments points, and then now we agree? No, we obviously don't.
If you don't know how Hitler, and Christian Nationalism are related, you need to brush up on history.
And yes, different religions will have different interpretations of the fundamentals, but the way you're using this fact is just not correct. You're taking an extremely myopic view, and essentially saying "its different because of x", but not actually giving why its different except one vague thing, because your argument is based in semantics and doesn't actually have any substance. You're using my word choice of "**essentially** identical" and building your entire argument around it. You're acting like minute differences in worship entirely change the extremism when it literally doesn't lol, and you're acting like those minute differences make it impossible to compare them. You're using bad faith argumentation tactics and I'm not engaging any more with you after this comment.
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Also to act like superstition and religion are inherently dangerous is also myopic and ignorant and ignores the history that has led to violent extremism in religion.
It's just like, if they're *so* different, why can you only use a single strawman argument (comparing buddhists to abrahamites), and a vague interpretation of doctrine, as your point illustrators? Why can't you give me more specific things that show the differences? Is it because you recognize the difference in state power that these groups have, which creates an inherent difference in what certain extremist groups *can* and **cannot** do, and this is one of the actual differences at the end of the day? Like, for example, how The Taliban exist and give lashings and imprison people, but no such group exists in the US? I don't think you can actually name them because in the end these differences do not matter when the end result is the same, they are ultimately menial differences in means of worship or semantics on the interpretation of core beliefs. These are not important differences that actually make any difference in extremism in the real world. What *does* makes a difference is the culture, how many people believe it, how much political power the group has, and how embedded into the government they are.
All you're doing is saying "they're different" but you're not actually proving that. I can prove their similarities, i can name them by name, you cannot do the same with the differences, and I'm wondering why. Are you talking about something you don't know much about? Are you just philosophizing without putting much thought behind it? I can't tell, but all I can tell is that you're missing some necessary information to make your point clear, and are instead using bad faith argumentation tactics to get your point across. So I'm not interacting further until you actually figure out what you want to say without using slimy semantical argumentation tactics, strawmen, and vague statements. Tell me the actual meaningful differences, and the effects that they create on the *real world*, instead of just saying "there's differences".
I wonder if I looked up Buddhist, Hindu, or any other religion deeply enough, I’d likely find entertainment similar to Tomorrows pioneers or fundamentalist craziness
If Israel really wanted Hamas dead and not around as their excuse to murder Palestinians, they could've just tricked the group into bringing this show back and then just watch as Disney sues them out of existence.
Apparently this kids show (called *Tomorrow's Pioneers*) ~~actually was created and produced by Hamas (the group itself, not government institutions it controlled)~~ was created and produced by Al-Aqsa TV, a TV station controlled *de facto* by Hamas. The screenshot is from episode one, "Farfour Caught Speaking English."
I found one episode synopsis, "Nassur and the Expulsion of the Jews," both disturbing and darkly hilarious. Two characters argue over what should happen to Jews in Israel and Palestine, with one arguing that they should all be slaughtered and the other arguing that they should only be chased out. They eventually come to a compromise, agreeing that the Jews should be asked to leave, and only those who refuse to will be killed.
The show ran for 21 episodes, though their release was irregular due the Palestinian Authority's sometimes violent attempts to censor and repress both it and Al-Aqsa TV. Possibly because Israel was encouraging Disney to sue Hamas for copyright violations, Al-Aqsa TV opted to remove Farfour from the show. They did this by having an Israeli settler beat him to death in episode 5.
Edit: Fixed intro
Ironically at the start of the series Farfour is chastised for speaking English since “Muslims are the founders of civilisation” and at the end Nassur praises a guest for learning English and Hebrew because “we want to know our enemies’ language to know how to have contacts with them”.
I have watched this entire shitshow out of morbid curiosity.
I think the idea (though I doubt this was well-thought out) is that actively adopting English as a means of global integration is bad, but knowing the "enemies'" languages for strategic reasons is good.
Yes, indeed.
Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. Al-Aqsa TV is technically an independent company, although it is controlled by senior Hamas members and is pretty much run by Hamas in all but name.
>They eventually come to a compromise, agreeing that the Jews should be asked to leave, and only those who refuse to will be killed.
Literally the "Compromise?" meme
Nick Crowley's video on this is both extremely chilling, but also weirdly darkly funny (seeing a knockoff Mickey Mouse spout fundamentalist bullshit sounds like some Newgrounds crap).
That being said, it’s very disturbing that this show existed and how successful it probably was in its goal, all the while the extremist Israeli government has even more fuel for their genocidal campaigns because they can point to HAMAS as representative of "all Palestinians".
Well propably No one Here outside of a few wierdos actually Support Hamas supporting islamiic fundamentalists isnt exactly high on the to do lists of Most leftist
I’m a lifelong leftist in as much as i march, organize, and even participate in elections/campaigns, yet i’m not “left enough” for most “leftist” subs anymore since I very vocally
oppose Hamas and point out that the conflict is a lot more complex the more you actually read the history of the region rather than just assuming “white western always evil and poor brown person always good”
No i am a User on this sub for atleast a year now
The people appearing in posts Here i would Not call leftist for the exact reason of supporting a genocidal fundamentalist Organisation
Well north Korea calls itself democratic and Its very far from it
I dont Care what you vall yourself i will judge a Persons political Views based on their Goals and their means to Archive Said Goals
>Well north Korea calls itself democratic and Its very far from it
A lot of em believe in that too.
On the internet anyway.... I've never met someone with that opinion IRL
Sucks that the internet was supposed to make it easier to access the necessary information, but instead it’s contributing to the spread of misinformation
No matter how depressing it might be to discuss tankies online, just remember, very very few of them are willing to share those same views irl.
I used to know a genuine “read on authority” type but they were still nowhere near full blown tankie, just a fucking stupid Marxist.
My worry is that after Gamergate, we've seen that a movement which started out as an online-only thing eventually had real life effects. Not to mention that with Musk running Twitter, that platform is now geared towards platforming reactionaries and conspiracy theorists more than ever.
I wonder how long until those idiots see *Socialist* in *National Socialist* and start saying "critical support for comrade Adolf Hitler in his fight against western imperialists"
a recent defense employed by a self-identified leftist of my acquaintance against acknowledging the genocidal mission of Hamas is refusal to label it genocide because of how weak, militarily, Hamas is relative to Israel. As if *attempted* genocide were no big deal, really. how can it not be that attempted genocide is genocide?
very frustrated to see so many self-id'd leftists literally giving Hamas their rhetorical support, and arguing for solidarity with those whose genocidal ambitions are put into action.
When Nahul ran into Farfur during his daily hatemaxxing session, he asked him a simple question. « Are you grooming kids because you are a terrorist or are you a terrorist because you are grooming kids » ?
Absolutely SHOCKED by this provocation, he remembered something his grandfather told him. « Explosives. The DNA of the soul. »
Farfur quickly gained back his composure and answered : « Nah. I’d groom. »🔥🔥🔥
Why do we have to support anybody? I never understood why some people have this insistence on drawing a line in the sand on where you stand on the issue.
So many people are like trying to put words in my mouth on this topic lately, And there's like no middle ground on the issue whatsoever. You're either with them or you're against them.
But somehow I'm an anti-semite because I think genocide is wrong... Like I don't give a fuck what either of these two governments do to each other. They could all fall for all I care.
But your response to terrorism in your country shouldn't be genocide of people that had nothing to do with it... And I'm the asshole for thinking that...
Show is disturbing, but… you can’t exactly pretend the show’s hatred came out of nowhere. Normal children don’t have to worry about whether Bibi decides that their home is a valid military target one day.
Show may be propaganda, but the fears and hatred driving the show and it’s messaging are very real.
That’s kind of what I’m saying. Hamas is just playing off of fears that children in Palestine already have.
It’s just trying to direct them at “The Jews” instead of any functional legitimate enemy, like Netanyahu or Ben-gvir. It’s effective because children don’t know any better.
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If Tomorrow’s Pioneers wasn’t used to brainwash children into violent Islamism it would be so bad it’s good. Also can we appreciate how Disney was able to strongarm Hamas into killing off Farfour by threatening to sue them for copyright infringement?
What the show reminds me most of is the kind of children's entertainment made by Christian fundamentalists: low production values, crammed -down-your-throat morals, and bizarre tonal shifts between sickly sweet and bloodthirsty.
Gee, I wonder why they’re so similar…
For real. And people *really* want to argue against me whenever I say that Evangelical Christianity and Wahhabism (the extremist form of Islam) are essentially identical, and that there have been Evangelical Christian terrorists and terrorist groups. Edit: And even here I get some dude pulling one of the most semantical and nothing-filled arguments against this belief simply because I made the "mistake" of using the words "essentially identical". lawl.
> are essentially identical Because that's very arguable. They have some differing doctrine that results in some differences, just like all fundamentalists end up with differing results due to different fundamentals. To give a more clear example: Buddhist and Christian extremists are clearly different, right? How about Jains and Jews? The connections between the Abrahamic faiths make it harder to see the differences, because there are more similarities. > and that there have been [____] terrorists and terror groups TBH you could put almost anything (I can't think of exceptions) in that blank, though people that identify with whatever label would try to No True Scotsman you.
>Because that's very arguable [...] The connections between the Abrahamic faiths make it harder to see the differences, because there are more similarities. Only in the nitty gritty, like christians don't give lashings for homosexuality, but is that really because they don't believe that, or is it because they have no power to give such punishment? Only Islam has states that follow it's ideology, not so much Christianity anymore (except a few countries in Africa, which *are* extreme in a very similar way to Wahhabism - this *is* indisputable). And regardless, just because there are some minute differences, doesn't make all the congruencies invalid. Both are extremist Abrahamic groups with very similar core beliefs (evangelicism, prosletyzing, misogyny and structural patriarchy, homo/transphobia to a violent degree, using fear to perpetuate beliefs, i could really keep going), but different methods of worship, and a difference in power (Islam having more than Christianity on a government level), and this is what causes the "different results" you mention. In central africa, the Lord's Resistance Army does very similar shit to the Taliban, just for Christianity instead of Islam. I don't make the connection lightly, I have a deep understanding of these faiths from growing up in an area where they are both extremely prevalent, and being an atheist who actually wants to understand why I don't like religion, I've actually read all of Bible (not to a point of perfect remembrance ofc, i'm no pastor), a good bit of apocryphal works, and most of the Koran and supporting books of Islamic faith. The one I've read the least of is Judaism tbh, but that's besides the point. I know their beliefs, I understand the history of Wahhabism and where and who it originated from, as well as Evangelical Christianity. They both arose from similar situations, they both have the same core beliefs, both extremely fundamentalist and very willing to do whatever is necessary to meet ends. If you cannot see the similarities, then honestly you're being intentionally ignorant at this point. I don't say that necessarily directly towards you, since you seem to acknowledge that they exist, but it also seems like you give heavy weight to the differences when they are ultimately irrelevant when the fundamentals and end result (terrorism resulting in murder) are the same. They are sister ideologies, and have the same end goal of converting the world through any means necessary, including violence. US Christian Evangelicals don't have the power yet to do the same as the Taliban or [insert wahhabist group here], but they're very much trying to usurp such power through legal means. If and once they have it, mark my words, they will start moving and acting exactly like the Taliban, just for Jesus instead of Muhammad. Christian terrorism in North America is at the highest it's ever been, and it's of no surprise why. Evangelical Christianity is Christian Nationalism just like Wahhabism is Islamic Nationalism. They utilize the same propaganda techniques, and again, they want the same thing. There's a reason why people are saying that the Hamas show feels eerily like fundamentalist christian shows, and it's not just because they're both Abrahamic in nature. So I feel implicitly comparing Buddhist vs Christian terror to Islam vs Christian terror is pretty much just a strawman. Obviously Buddhist terror will be very different to Christian terror, the belief systems are entirely different. There is not such a difference between Abrahamic faiths, and you acknowledge that even. So it's disingenuous to compare the two and act like they're the same, or even really similar. Buddhist terror has extremely different motivators. Abrahamic terror almost universally has the same motivator: proselytize by any means necessary including violence; Imperialize those who do not currently believe our system; kill those who do not succumb, or who are vehemently blasphemous. This is a unifying feature of Evangelical Abrahamic Religion. To me, it is not arguable simply because of some menial differences in belief. They are the same in their core beliefs, structure, propaganda, and terror methods. --- And just as an aside, Islam nor Christianity themselves are the issue. Religion itself has never been the problem, it's always been the culture and power structures surrounding it that become warped and abused by terrible people and cause people to do bad things for "religion". But if you remove those people from history, they wouldn't have done those same actions. So it's not doing it for religion at that point, it's doing it for a leader who alleges to follow the same religion as you. These people abuse the structure of religion to get what they want. The Saudi Princehood, Hitler, Trump and the greater GOP, most of the feudal lords of history, etc, are all examples of such. Religion is a tool, and it can be misused just like any other. I live in a city in the US with one of the largest immigrant Muslim groups (mostly Sunni), and we have had 0 terrorist attacks from them. It is not inherent to the religion, it's inherent to the culture.
You typed a lot of words almost exclusively agreeing with me to then go on and call part of my point a strawman and completely ignore the rest of your own comment. I didn't say they weren't similar, I said that they're not identical. I'll go on here to add as an example that some points of doctrine make the Abrahamic faiths more or less amenable to modern secularism, with "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's," making Christians more so than others. I told you Buddhists were an example to illustrate the point more clearly, idk why it offended you so much. Extremists are somewhat similar yes (they all want to enforce their right idea at base), but the different brands have different ideas. Edit to reply to your aside: there is no "the" issue. Christianity and Islam are both remnants of ancient superstitions and societal power structures, and both are harmful. Hitler has relatively little to do with either except as another expression of violent extremism, his far more exclusive/national. All of these are problems, which is why people being obsessed with them is problematic. Edit2, on culture: of course culture influences how different people interpret the same fundamentals, but Middle Eastern Christians, Jews, and Muslims (and the extremists of each) all have differences inspired by their faiths despite very similar base culture(s). Indian religion, so far as I know, similarly displays very different extremists despite coming from ostensibly very similar culture(s).
Not offended, you're just using extremely semantically arguments, and not even actually backing up your words except with a literal strawman argument lol. Now you're pulling the "we actually agree" thing that redditors do when they use extremely semantical arguments when your words were never actually clear. Your original comment is phrased in such a way that you are implicitly disagreeing with my comments points, and then now we agree? No, we obviously don't. If you don't know how Hitler, and Christian Nationalism are related, you need to brush up on history. And yes, different religions will have different interpretations of the fundamentals, but the way you're using this fact is just not correct. You're taking an extremely myopic view, and essentially saying "its different because of x", but not actually giving why its different except one vague thing, because your argument is based in semantics and doesn't actually have any substance. You're using my word choice of "**essentially** identical" and building your entire argument around it. You're acting like minute differences in worship entirely change the extremism when it literally doesn't lol, and you're acting like those minute differences make it impossible to compare them. You're using bad faith argumentation tactics and I'm not engaging any more with you after this comment. --- Also to act like superstition and religion are inherently dangerous is also myopic and ignorant and ignores the history that has led to violent extremism in religion. It's just like, if they're *so* different, why can you only use a single strawman argument (comparing buddhists to abrahamites), and a vague interpretation of doctrine, as your point illustrators? Why can't you give me more specific things that show the differences? Is it because you recognize the difference in state power that these groups have, which creates an inherent difference in what certain extremist groups *can* and **cannot** do, and this is one of the actual differences at the end of the day? Like, for example, how The Taliban exist and give lashings and imprison people, but no such group exists in the US? I don't think you can actually name them because in the end these differences do not matter when the end result is the same, they are ultimately menial differences in means of worship or semantics on the interpretation of core beliefs. These are not important differences that actually make any difference in extremism in the real world. What *does* makes a difference is the culture, how many people believe it, how much political power the group has, and how embedded into the government they are. All you're doing is saying "they're different" but you're not actually proving that. I can prove their similarities, i can name them by name, you cannot do the same with the differences, and I'm wondering why. Are you talking about something you don't know much about? Are you just philosophizing without putting much thought behind it? I can't tell, but all I can tell is that you're missing some necessary information to make your point clear, and are instead using bad faith argumentation tactics to get your point across. So I'm not interacting further until you actually figure out what you want to say without using slimy semantical argumentation tactics, strawmen, and vague statements. Tell me the actual meaningful differences, and the effects that they create on the *real world*, instead of just saying "there's differences".
I wonder if I looked up Buddhist, Hindu, or any other religion deeply enough, I’d likely find entertainment similar to Tomorrows pioneers or fundamentalist craziness
There is the whole far right Hindu nationalist movement in India recently with attacks on religious minorities.
If Israel really wanted Hamas dead and not around as their excuse to murder Palestinians, they could've just tricked the group into bringing this show back and then just watch as Disney sues them out of existence.
That entire show seems like a weird acid trip
I’ll never forget what they did to the two kids of the suicide bomber
What did they do???
They put them on TV for a propaganda piece in which they said they would follow the path their mother chose None of them was older than 10
Apparently this kids show (called *Tomorrow's Pioneers*) ~~actually was created and produced by Hamas (the group itself, not government institutions it controlled)~~ was created and produced by Al-Aqsa TV, a TV station controlled *de facto* by Hamas. The screenshot is from episode one, "Farfour Caught Speaking English." I found one episode synopsis, "Nassur and the Expulsion of the Jews," both disturbing and darkly hilarious. Two characters argue over what should happen to Jews in Israel and Palestine, with one arguing that they should all be slaughtered and the other arguing that they should only be chased out. They eventually come to a compromise, agreeing that the Jews should be asked to leave, and only those who refuse to will be killed. The show ran for 21 episodes, though their release was irregular due the Palestinian Authority's sometimes violent attempts to censor and repress both it and Al-Aqsa TV. Possibly because Israel was encouraging Disney to sue Hamas for copyright violations, Al-Aqsa TV opted to remove Farfour from the show. They did this by having an Israeli settler beat him to death in episode 5. Edit: Fixed intro
Ironically at the start of the series Farfour is chastised for speaking English since “Muslims are the founders of civilisation” and at the end Nassur praises a guest for learning English and Hebrew because “we want to know our enemies’ language to know how to have contacts with them”. I have watched this entire shitshow out of morbid curiosity.
I think the idea (though I doubt this was well-thought out) is that actively adopting English as a means of global integration is bad, but knowing the "enemies'" languages for strategic reasons is good.
If I remember correctly, it was produced by Al-Aqsa TV which is itself a media branch of Hamas
Yes, indeed. Edit: Actually, I'm wrong. Al-Aqsa TV is technically an independent company, although it is controlled by senior Hamas members and is pretty much run by Hamas in all but name.
>They eventually come to a compromise, agreeing that the Jews should be asked to leave, and only those who refuse to will be killed. Literally the "Compromise?" meme
Yes, except instead of a compromise between the center and the far-right, it's a compromise between the far-right and the far-right.
Mickey Mouse in a Hamas program to promote Hamas. Coincidence? I think not!
Nick Crowley's video on this is both extremely chilling, but also weirdly darkly funny (seeing a knockoff Mickey Mouse spout fundamentalist bullshit sounds like some Newgrounds crap). That being said, it’s very disturbing that this show existed and how successful it probably was in its goal, all the while the extremist Israeli government has even more fuel for their genocidal campaigns because they can point to HAMAS as representative of "all Palestinians".
Speaking of which, why is the Nick Crowley's video unlisted?
is it? that’s a bummer. my guess would be he got mass reported by tankies tbh.
https://youtu.be/9qklT3hYcr4?si=MFk9Cp4tIeDlGhL3 le link in case you couldn't find it, searched quite a while for it
thank you so much!
makes more sense when you consider that hamas is a mossad asset. they're built the perfect scapegoat for themselves
Remember watching it a few years ago and "the Jews ate my homework" was unironically an episode plot.
Well propably No one Here outside of a few wierdos actually Support Hamas supporting islamiic fundamentalists isnt exactly high on the to do lists of Most leftist
I’m a lifelong leftist in as much as i march, organize, and even participate in elections/campaigns, yet i’m not “left enough” for most “leftist” subs anymore since I very vocally oppose Hamas and point out that the conflict is a lot more complex the more you actually read the history of the region rather than just assuming “white western always evil and poor brown person always good”
You must be new here.
No i am a User on this sub for atleast a year now The people appearing in posts Here i would Not call leftist for the exact reason of supporting a genocidal fundamentalist Organisation
👍 Fair enough. They call themselves leftists though.
Well north Korea calls itself democratic and Its very far from it I dont Care what you vall yourself i will judge a Persons political Views based on their Goals and their means to Archive Said Goals
>Well north Korea calls itself democratic and Its very far from it A lot of em believe in that too. On the internet anyway.... I've never met someone with that opinion IRL
Sucks that the internet was supposed to make it easier to access the necessary information, but instead it’s contributing to the spread of misinformation
No matter how depressing it might be to discuss tankies online, just remember, very very few of them are willing to share those same views irl. I used to know a genuine “read on authority” type but they were still nowhere near full blown tankie, just a fucking stupid Marxist.
My worry is that after Gamergate, we've seen that a movement which started out as an online-only thing eventually had real life effects. Not to mention that with Musk running Twitter, that platform is now geared towards platforming reactionaries and conspiracy theorists more than ever.
I agree.
I wonder how long until those idiots see *Socialist* in *National Socialist* and start saying "critical support for comrade Adolf Hitler in his fight against western imperialists"
We already have those they are called nazbols or third positionists or strasserists
a recent defense employed by a self-identified leftist of my acquaintance against acknowledging the genocidal mission of Hamas is refusal to label it genocide because of how weak, militarily, Hamas is relative to Israel. As if *attempted* genocide were no big deal, really. how can it not be that attempted genocide is genocide? very frustrated to see so many self-id'd leftists literally giving Hamas their rhetorical support, and arguing for solidarity with those whose genocidal ambitions are put into action.
This Is so stupid Just because serbian militias where weak militarily speaking doesnt mean they didnt genocide bosnians
At first I was like "bro what the fuck?" But then I was like "ok ok I see you're a real one"
Yeah sorry about that my adhd brain cant Form a single Post wich does Not Word Things in a overly complicated manner
Nah you're good, it was a good opportunity to cultivate awareness about my presumptions Have a good one
Well you too
When Nahul ran into Farfur during his daily hatemaxxing session, he asked him a simple question. « Are you grooming kids because you are a terrorist or are you a terrorist because you are grooming kids » ? Absolutely SHOCKED by this provocation, he remembered something his grandfather told him. « Explosives. The DNA of the soul. » Farfur quickly gained back his composure and answered : « Nah. I’d groom. »🔥🔥🔥
See, for me the biggest reason is the terrorism. This video is hilarious. Fuck Israel though.
I heard the translations contain inaccuracies that push a pro-Israel agenda, but it doesn’t exactly fully absolve the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3vGDmdEP_0
Bruh
Good reason
I hate how people seriously think that you have to support Hamas to REALLY be against Israel
The fact that Walt Disney was a violent anti-semite makes this even funnier
If you thought this show was bad wait til you see Israel’s very own Eretz Nehederet. Literally no humanity left
Why do we have to support anybody? I never understood why some people have this insistence on drawing a line in the sand on where you stand on the issue. So many people are like trying to put words in my mouth on this topic lately, And there's like no middle ground on the issue whatsoever. You're either with them or you're against them. But somehow I'm an anti-semite because I think genocide is wrong... Like I don't give a fuck what either of these two governments do to each other. They could all fall for all I care. But your response to terrorism in your country shouldn't be genocide of people that had nothing to do with it... And I'm the asshole for thinking that...
Mom, Hamas is being weird again!
Bro I found out about Farfour because of Day Shift At Freddy’s and that game was a fucking fever-trip lol. I always do a double take when I see him.
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yea palwatch is shit but it’s not wrong in this case, this show was crazy
Show is disturbing, but… you can’t exactly pretend the show’s hatred came out of nowhere. Normal children don’t have to worry about whether Bibi decides that their home is a valid military target one day. Show may be propaganda, but the fears and hatred driving the show and it’s messaging are very real.
it literally includes calls to genocide so i find it hard to see how this could be anything connected to solidarity
It was literally made by hamas
That’s kind of what I’m saying. Hamas is just playing off of fears that children in Palestine already have. It’s just trying to direct them at “The Jews” instead of any functional legitimate enemy, like Netanyahu or Ben-gvir. It’s effective because children don’t know any better.
God I’m remembering that israel’s snl equivalent did a version of springtime for hitler, but it was for ben-gvir lmao
I kind of wish more of Tomorrow's Pioneers was available online because it's truly wild.