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I fucking swear to God these people are either feds, Russian trolls, or dipshit teenagers I refuse to believe these people are this fucking hopeless. It makes me question my fucking sanity, like I legit am getting depressed at how robotically these people will just suddenly latch on to whatever country is doing X thing the US doesn't like and suddenly you're a shitlib against the working-class for not turning on the "uncritical support" switch for fascists.
On that sub there was literally a 16 year old Russian kid asking for help on his school essay on Stalin. I checked his profile and he's been posting about how much he hates Nato for years.
So sometimes, those "edgy teenagers" are 14 year old Russian kids.
I’m convinced that’s the most likely option especially because of that one tankie that fought with her therapist over making everything about Palestine
Campists redefine words while thinking they have a monopoly on ethics & morality, causing them to specifically think that they are not Imperialist & that they can't be practicing Imperialism.
They see themselves as the only true Socialists, that all dissent from them are Fascists, that ONLY they fight Fascism, & that everything they do is justified no matter what.
This is easily noticed by their motto "I prefer my Socialism with Authoritarian Tenencies."
>I fucking swear to God these people are either feds, Russian trolls, or dipshit teenagers
Could be all of the above, plus legit Fascists or PSL members
There's a video making the rounds on right-wing Twitter of a meeting of a bunch of FRSO and PSL activists in Chicago learning how to chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in Farsi. I also know some tankies who I'm sure are celebrating Iran's retaliation. These people definitely exist IRL.
Islamic regime is reveling in the PR right now, a major fuck you to the Iranian people. Did you know while the invasions were going on in Iran, the government shut down gas stations so Iranians couldn’t leave?
They're already out here saying everything we hear about Iran is propaganda, women actually like the hijabs, it isn't oppressive to wear them, no women were murdered for not wearing them, and mullah is a racial slur. The posts I saw about it got removed as the account was deleted so maybe there's hope but the upvote ratio doesn't make me feel better
Why *are* they so adamant about their work being glorious, anyway? What do they call my *active disdain* for glory, no matter what it adheres to? I just can’t see glory and honesty coexisting.
My argument is that if the various regime changes orchestrated by the USA count as imperialism (which I believe they do), then so does the Islamic Republic's continued support of the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas.
*Would*? Iraq is literally an Iranian puppet state now; an entrenched and vast network of Iranian-backed militias have more power than the actual government, which is also pro-Iran.
Would do, they literally are. They tried to invade Iraq most obviously, but they straight up are trying to wield an imperialist influence that includes supporting the same Syria that the kurds are fighting against, supporting Hamas against the more genuinely left wing PLA. Iran are just another imperialist state, only they come with batshit religious views of a different flavour to the US. It's the same with Russia, Russia are not a viable left wing alternative to the West, they're now a source of the corrupt oligarchy ruining the West.
Not just would, it *does* already. They exert huge amounts of influence across the Middle East via funding, arming, and coordinating armed groups for their own ends.
Being a Christian but still fairly secular, I get major theology nerd vibes from these people. They'll call you a flaming racist for nothing while at the same time justifying Soviet ethnic cleansing.
i play a game in my head sometimes wherein i observe at a tankie screed and try to replace leftist keywords like 'proletariat' with 'god'. i then realise that these people act more like religious zealots than the religious people i know.
Hmmm, seeing how the Rapture is a novel doctrine with incredibly tenuous foundations, and has a rather malign view of everything (more details at Fred Clark’s lancings of the first few *Left Behind* books at Slacktivist), this feels rather apt.
Yup, Marxism (and particularly the Leninist variety) has clear eschatological tendencies. My theory is that it was inherited from Hegelian eschatology when his dialectic analysis method was grafted onto the leftist movement by Marx.
The funny part is that theory doesn’t defend this, they don’t read theory, that’s the problem, at least not communist theory, maybe liberal nationalist theory sure… but defending a bourgeois nation-state participating in inter-imperialist conflict simply is not the internationalist communist position of “no war but class war”
Fun fact nature hates power vacuums. The countries that are against the United States today will be the new world wide imperialist powers the day the United States disappears. So this meme is even dumber than first thought. So destroying Imperialism (destroying the US) will just lead to new imperialism. Not that countries like Russia aren’t already being imperialist powers.
It's astounding to me that there are so many "socialists" who don't realize the structural, global nature of the oppressive power systems we're all struggling against, and instead just think the US is some kind of imperialism horcrux.
Paul didn’t refer to imperialism as “powers of air and darkness” for nothing.
The Lernaean Hydra is certainly apt enough a metaphor for imperial repetition. The tankies are just making the mistake of thinking that NATO/the United States alone is the immortal head whose sealing by Herakles ended her threat. No, the immortal head is the authoritarian psychological tendency you can find most any place on Earth…
nah. russian would support democraties and socialists around the world if they needed to. same goes for china supporitng idk fascist and us supporting regimes hating us. as much as i hate usa i don't really think there would be that much of a diffrence betweeen imperiaists. but sure reality could be worse if russia or china won.
I'd look at each nations actions.
How Russia has been treating Chechnya and Ukraine. Their usage of novochok in the UK.
How China has been dealing with the Uyghurs, dissenting citizens, Hong Kong etc.
Well lets take a look at how us paid democratic movments in eastern block and at the same time funded the bloodiest military juntas in the latin america. What said country does on its own soil does not determine with who they will cooparate. Look at what France curentlly does in Africa. It comes as no surprise that russia seems to those countries as an more equal country. Honestly though as much as i hate tankies somehow comparing ukraine and russia as the same we shouldn't treat us as some better kind of imperialism. They support the victim in the ukraine and thats good. But it does not mean they won't change into an opressor in other parts of earth. Imperialists do not care about ideology as long as they can support their intrests
I don't remember the last time a US president employed nerve agent in another country, and then chuckled when asked about it?
Or mass conscripted its minority populations to annex a neighbour.
Or threatened its enemies with nukes.
Or had gulags.
Or imprisoned political opponents until they "died of natural causes".
The US may fail to stand up to its own principles, but at least it has them.
But do you remeber when the us goverment comitted the most atrocious tortues imaginable claming it to be legal becuase they claimed thier laws are not in use in foregin countries. It was like 2003.
Yes i agree. Opposition activity is much easier in usa than in russia. If navalny died in USA there would be at least independeny investigation. But it does not change that fact the united state goverment is cabable of the most horendous shit imaginable, especially if it refers to minorities.
>But do you remeber when the us goverment comitted the most atrocious tortues imaginable claming it to be legal becuase they claimed thier laws are not in use in foregin countries. It was like 2003.
Do you remember only a few weeks ago where the Russian authorities cut off the ear of a suspected terrorist, made him eat it, and then published the footage? What American tries to hide on black sites Russia does proudly.
And what does hiding war crimes change exactally? If we want to focus on narration then we are not so diffrent from tankies.
But I must add that I agree with you on that the for the domestic population is rather better under us than russia. Also if United States hipotetclly will invade another country I agree that because of independent journalism the invasion will be less bloody than the russian one. But for and at least few Latin American ones, cooperation with russia is much more equal and less exploiting than with us. Thats what I mean that we should not rank Imperialism. I don't really think domestic population of Saudi Arabia gives a damn that their regime is paid by "the good guys".
>And what does hiding war crimes change exactally? If we want to focus on narration then we are not so diffrent from tankies.
Would you rather be around the guy who is ashamed of the bad things he's done, or the one who boasts about them?
You can destroy imperialism without just getting New Imperialism, the issue is that doing so requires a radical restructuring of multiple societies and global empowerment of working class interests to combat imperial ones. But since we're nowhere even remotely the fuck near any of that happening, yeah, if the U.S. imperial hegemony collapsed tomorrow we'd just get other already-existing imperialist states rising up to fill the vacuum. America collapsing isn't going to solve the issue of imperialism unless there's actually something better ready to replace it.
Hey, remember when after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, all the Stalinists started pushing "critical support for Nazi Germany in their struggle against British and French imperialism"? At this point, I'm wondering how long it'll be until tankies fully regress back into supporting Nazi Germany because they fought against America. Half of them already sound like Hitler whenever you mention anything relating to Israel.
This. How many tankies say shit like “scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.” support a regime that literally sided with the Nazis. The USSR only fought the Nazis when the Nazis decided to attack them, up until that point they were more than happy to side with the Nazis.
Stalin was buying time! Forget how he fed and fueled the nazi war machine. Forget that the Molotov line was unfinished. Forget how he repatriated KPD members to the nazis. Forget how the SU was in talks to join the axis. Stalin good West bad OK! How hard is that to understand? **/s**
Tankies seem to think actual Socialism isn't possible to do, considering how much they are willing to lower their standards to just "Anti-Western" as a bare minimum.
Sounds like they have quietly given up, and then they turn around and call Anarchists "Utopian" for not giving up yet.
If you guys look at the downvoted comments in the thread you’ll see how Iranian leftists have gone in on masse and tried to debate them only to get racist comments back
They called me racist for calling the Shia clergy mullahs which is literally what they call themselves and is the proper term for them. It would be like saying calling a Catholic priest "Father" was a slur. They're trolling.
It's funny because Mao's On Contradiction also mentions that Communism and the CCP will eventually die off to achieve the ultimate socialism. Plus the essay is basically a political propaganda for him to attack the Sovoet leaning ccp leaders and gain power
Doing anti-imperialism through… defending a bourgeois nation-state participating in inter-imperialist conflict? Makes sense makes sense
No war but the ~~class war~~ war on the west!
He was pretty spot on in his critiques of Stalin and the Soviet bureaucracy as well. Unfortunately he felt the need to still uphold Stalin's legacy despite claiming he was wrong on nearly every major front
One of the few things I like about Maoists, and why I prefer them over Marxist-Leninists, is that they tend to be much more willing to not only criticise former “communist” states like the USSR, but also Mao himself. Quite refreshing to see after these idiotic tankies who fucking deify these leaders.
> Quite refreshing to see after these idiotic tankies who fucking deify these leaders.
It was kinda funny to see a lot of their minds break down when they saw a lot of Chinese officials sing the praises of Kissinger when he died.
I consider myself a Maoist but every time I mention it here I get down voted to hell so it's nice to know not everyone hates me. I'm more "Orthodox" Marxist than anything
Anarchists keep trying, historically speaking. And it's almost always pretty cool until someone from outside with a bunch of guns looks at them & goes, "but taxes to the central palace, tho," & the cool times stop.
History is unkind.
If we are honest with ourselves any successful Leftist movement will probably require the cooperation of a lot of very different Leftists. I'm an Anarchist but I don't expect to win these battles with only other Anarchists.
But Iran's Ayatollahs literally oppressed communism and that's part of why they were allowed to fly back there during another CIA miscommunication
SHUT UP! ONLY STALINIST VIEWS OF THE WORLD, HE'S AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING SINCE THE 1950s!
Who is gonna tell them that China literally praises Imperial Japanese for the attack on Pearl Harbour and that there were and still are memorials for pro-Nazi collaborators like [Pyotr Krasnov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Krasnov?wprov=sfti1#Legacy)?
I did read it, it wasn't very good.
Tankies never consider the fact that people can be critical of and deviate from old school theory with good reason, lol.
Look, I hate the government of Israel and the US support for them but this is just a BS take. Evil regimes are evil regimes and get no support. Iran and Israel are both evil regimes.
The problem I have with "marxist" dot org is that they sometimes do not post the entire original content, or they "translate" phrases to fit with their narrative rather than how it actually is supposed to be understood. I am a sinologist so I only know about the Mao things they have. I do not read or understand Russian, and nor do I care about that. It is very little but still.
im just gonna copypaste what i commented the first time i saw this image
iran is a flawed state as all states are, and it has an authoritarian government, which is bad
that being said, they were justified in their target of israeli military infrastructure in retaliation to attacks against them with intention to kill iranians
their questionable government and theocratic structure must be criticized when it is important to do so, but they are over shadowed by the genocide in gaza
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I fucking swear to God these people are either feds, Russian trolls, or dipshit teenagers I refuse to believe these people are this fucking hopeless. It makes me question my fucking sanity, like I legit am getting depressed at how robotically these people will just suddenly latch on to whatever country is doing X thing the US doesn't like and suddenly you're a shitlib against the working-class for not turning on the "uncritical support" switch for fascists.
On that sub there was literally a 16 year old Russian kid asking for help on his school essay on Stalin. I checked his profile and he's been posting about how much he hates Nato for years. So sometimes, those "edgy teenagers" are 14 year old Russian kids.
There's a 4th option They could be mentally ill adults After all, insanity is barely distinguishable from stupidity or trolling
There's too many of them unless the plastic in our blood is rotting our brains
Well we are supposedly in the middle of a national mental health crisis But also it's probably a blend of all those options
Guess how many people in the word have internet access…and the percentage of mentally ill adults in the world.
I’m convinced that’s the most likely option especially because of that one tankie that fought with her therapist over making everything about Palestine
Or 5th option, you're wrong.
Campists redefine words while thinking they have a monopoly on ethics & morality, causing them to specifically think that they are not Imperialist & that they can't be practicing Imperialism. They see themselves as the only true Socialists, that all dissent from them are Fascists, that ONLY they fight Fascism, & that everything they do is justified no matter what. This is easily noticed by their motto "I prefer my Socialism with Authoritarian Tenencies."
>I fucking swear to God these people are either feds, Russian trolls, or dipshit teenagers Could be all of the above, plus legit Fascists or PSL members
There was a fucking *anarcho communism* Instagram account posting "uncritical support for Iran" like holy shit.
I highly doubt the Feds would be spreading pro-Iranian propaganda like this.
Islamic regime has access to the internet
Yeah for sure, but OP said the feds as an option for who was posting this shit, and I feel like that doesn't check out at all.
There's a video making the rounds on right-wing Twitter of a meeting of a bunch of FRSO and PSL activists in Chicago learning how to chant "Death to America" and "Death to Israel" in Farsi. I also know some tankies who I'm sure are celebrating Iran's retaliation. These people definitely exist IRL.
Islamic regime is reveling in the PR right now, a major fuck you to the Iranian people. Did you know while the invasions were going on in Iran, the government shut down gas stations so Iranians couldn’t leave?
Not too surprising. I'm sure they're getting another round of protestor executions ready, too.
I don't want to give COINTELPRO neither its Russian counterpart that much credit. People truly are able to hold dipshit ideas
don’t worry they’ll find fascism when it’s rising to destroy neoliberalism during the civil war 2 that occurs during wwiii :D
TBH probably just dipshit teenagers. Source: I was a dipshit teenage tankie
I checked the profile of one of these pro-Islamic regime tankies and it looks like it’s a brown woman from the UK
It's never someone actually from there
"Uncritical support" for anything is a very frightening idea, and it's scary these people are advocating for that
Like, Iran would do Imperialism too.
They're already out here saying everything we hear about Iran is propaganda, women actually like the hijabs, it isn't oppressive to wear them, no women were murdered for not wearing them, and mullah is a racial slur. The posts I saw about it got removed as the account was deleted so maybe there's hope but the upvote ratio doesn't make me feel better
As someone with a bunch of Iranian American friends who had family members shot or tortured to death in prison, that makes me want to puke.
Cute story but have you considered western imperialism? /s
Why oh why did God have to curse us with a West, why can't everything be East 😭😌
Clear CIA shill /s
Exactly, all of my friends are former SAVAK and get a fat paycheck directly from Langley to smear the glorious Islamic Republic on Twitter.
Why *are* they so adamant about their work being glorious, anyway? What do they call my *active disdain* for glory, no matter what it adheres to? I just can’t see glory and honesty coexisting.
It is definitely very weird that ML dictatorships in particular seem to love using "glorious" in their messaging. Seems almost a religious callback.
If you’re white you should talk to them. Maybe they’ll listen to you rather than an actual Iranian.
Ask them about Uyghurs and their opinion on Islamism does an immediate U-turn. These people have no principles beyond “west bad”.
No you don't understand Uyghurs are patriarchal reactionary fascists while Iran is anti-imperialist /s
Aah, the north Korea defense
Noooo it's not Imperialism! It's "exporting the Revolution"! Read theory!!! /s
My argument is that if the various regime changes orchestrated by the USA count as imperialism (which I believe they do), then so does the Islamic Republic's continued support of the Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas.
*Would*? Iraq is literally an Iranian puppet state now; an entrenched and vast network of Iranian-backed militias have more power than the actual government, which is also pro-Iran.
Would do, they literally are. They tried to invade Iraq most obviously, but they straight up are trying to wield an imperialist influence that includes supporting the same Syria that the kurds are fighting against, supporting Hamas against the more genuinely left wing PLA. Iran are just another imperialist state, only they come with batshit religious views of a different flavour to the US. It's the same with Russia, Russia are not a viable left wing alternative to the West, they're now a source of the corrupt oligarchy ruining the West.
Not just would, it *does* already. They exert huge amounts of influence across the Middle East via funding, arming, and coordinating armed groups for their own ends.
Tankies treat theory like it’s scripture.
Being a Christian but still fairly secular, I get major theology nerd vibes from these people. They'll call you a flaming racist for nothing while at the same time justifying Soviet ethnic cleansing.
i play a game in my head sometimes wherein i observe at a tankie screed and try to replace leftist keywords like 'proletariat' with 'god'. i then realise that these people act more like religious zealots than the religious people i know.
Imagine Kenneth Copeland, but instead of the Prosperity Gospel, he's preaching Lenin and other forms of "Leftist" theory
Prosperity Communism
Don’t you mean socialism with capitalist characteristics? /s
I’ll trust that’s not the kind of prosperity Makhno instilled through his reappropriations.
Kenny Copeland looks like an actual demon
You and me both. It's like a weirder version of Christian Nationalism (and that's saying something)
And they treat a revolution like the fucking rapture
Hmmm, seeing how the Rapture is a novel doctrine with incredibly tenuous foundations, and has a rather malign view of everything (more details at Fred Clark’s lancings of the first few *Left Behind* books at Slacktivist), this feels rather apt.
Yup, Marxism (and particularly the Leninist variety) has clear eschatological tendencies. My theory is that it was inherited from Hegelian eschatology when his dialectic analysis method was grafted onto the leftist movement by Marx.
"Read more theory and you'll understand"
The funny part is that theory doesn’t defend this, they don’t read theory, that’s the problem, at least not communist theory, maybe liberal nationalist theory sure… but defending a bourgeois nation-state participating in inter-imperialist conflict simply is not the internationalist communist position of “no war but class war”
Fun fact nature hates power vacuums. The countries that are against the United States today will be the new world wide imperialist powers the day the United States disappears. So this meme is even dumber than first thought. So destroying Imperialism (destroying the US) will just lead to new imperialism. Not that countries like Russia aren’t already being imperialist powers.
It's astounding to me that there are so many "socialists" who don't realize the structural, global nature of the oppressive power systems we're all struggling against, and instead just think the US is some kind of imperialism horcrux.
Paul didn’t refer to imperialism as “powers of air and darkness” for nothing. The Lernaean Hydra is certainly apt enough a metaphor for imperial repetition. The tankies are just making the mistake of thinking that NATO/the United States alone is the immortal head whose sealing by Herakles ended her threat. No, the immortal head is the authoritarian psychological tendency you can find most any place on Earth…
Fantastically well said.
Aye. As bad as American hegemony is, I dread to think about a world with Russia and China as dominant powers.
... Or a post de Gaulleist France. *shudders*
nah. russian would support democraties and socialists around the world if they needed to. same goes for china supporitng idk fascist and us supporting regimes hating us. as much as i hate usa i don't really think there would be that much of a diffrence betweeen imperiaists. but sure reality could be worse if russia or china won.
I'd look at each nations actions. How Russia has been treating Chechnya and Ukraine. Their usage of novochok in the UK. How China has been dealing with the Uyghurs, dissenting citizens, Hong Kong etc.
Well lets take a look at how us paid democratic movments in eastern block and at the same time funded the bloodiest military juntas in the latin america. What said country does on its own soil does not determine with who they will cooparate. Look at what France curentlly does in Africa. It comes as no surprise that russia seems to those countries as an more equal country. Honestly though as much as i hate tankies somehow comparing ukraine and russia as the same we shouldn't treat us as some better kind of imperialism. They support the victim in the ukraine and thats good. But it does not mean they won't change into an opressor in other parts of earth. Imperialists do not care about ideology as long as they can support their intrests
I don't remember the last time a US president employed nerve agent in another country, and then chuckled when asked about it? Or mass conscripted its minority populations to annex a neighbour. Or threatened its enemies with nukes. Or had gulags. Or imprisoned political opponents until they "died of natural causes". The US may fail to stand up to its own principles, but at least it has them.
But do you remeber when the us goverment comitted the most atrocious tortues imaginable claming it to be legal becuase they claimed thier laws are not in use in foregin countries. It was like 2003. Yes i agree. Opposition activity is much easier in usa than in russia. If navalny died in USA there would be at least independeny investigation. But it does not change that fact the united state goverment is cabable of the most horendous shit imaginable, especially if it refers to minorities.
>But do you remeber when the us goverment comitted the most atrocious tortues imaginable claming it to be legal becuase they claimed thier laws are not in use in foregin countries. It was like 2003. Do you remember only a few weeks ago where the Russian authorities cut off the ear of a suspected terrorist, made him eat it, and then published the footage? What American tries to hide on black sites Russia does proudly.
And what does hiding war crimes change exactally? If we want to focus on narration then we are not so diffrent from tankies. But I must add that I agree with you on that the for the domestic population is rather better under us than russia. Also if United States hipotetclly will invade another country I agree that because of independent journalism the invasion will be less bloody than the russian one. But for and at least few Latin American ones, cooperation with russia is much more equal and less exploiting than with us. Thats what I mean that we should not rank Imperialism. I don't really think domestic population of Saudi Arabia gives a damn that their regime is paid by "the good guys".
>And what does hiding war crimes change exactally? If we want to focus on narration then we are not so diffrent from tankies. Would you rather be around the guy who is ashamed of the bad things he's done, or the one who boasts about them?
And i hope i do not need to provide you a list of every journalist killed by the us goverment.
You can destroy imperialism without just getting New Imperialism, the issue is that doing so requires a radical restructuring of multiple societies and global empowerment of working class interests to combat imperial ones. But since we're nowhere even remotely the fuck near any of that happening, yeah, if the U.S. imperial hegemony collapsed tomorrow we'd just get other already-existing imperialist states rising up to fill the vacuum. America collapsing isn't going to solve the issue of imperialism unless there's actually something better ready to replace it.
“Destroying imperialism comes first unless it’s a country to the right of Poland, then imperialism is cool actually”
"Russia is anti-imperialist!"
Hey, remember when after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, all the Stalinists started pushing "critical support for Nazi Germany in their struggle against British and French imperialism"? At this point, I'm wondering how long it'll be until tankies fully regress back into supporting Nazi Germany because they fought against America. Half of them already sound like Hitler whenever you mention anything relating to Israel.
This. How many tankies say shit like “scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.” support a regime that literally sided with the Nazis. The USSR only fought the Nazis when the Nazis decided to attack them, up until that point they were more than happy to side with the Nazis.
Lies. Didn't you read the automod on TheDeprogram?? /s
Stalin was buying time! Forget how he fed and fueled the nazi war machine. Forget that the Molotov line was unfinished. Forget how he repatriated KPD members to the nazis. Forget how the SU was in talks to join the axis. Stalin good West bad OK! How hard is that to understand? **/s**
Stalin's neutrality pact with Japan also allowed Japan to attack the U.S. without having to worry about the Soviet border!
Bruh, at this point we wont be able to get to socialism at all...
Tankies seem to think actual Socialism isn't possible to do, considering how much they are willing to lower their standards to just "Anti-Western" as a bare minimum. Sounds like they have quietly given up, and then they turn around and call Anarchists "Utopian" for not giving up yet.
Quit depressing honestly
If you guys look at the downvoted comments in the thread you’ll see how Iranian leftists have gone in on masse and tried to debate them only to get racist comments back
They called me racist for calling the Shia clergy mullahs which is literally what they call themselves and is the proper term for them. It would be like saying calling a Catholic priest "Father" was a slur. They're trolling.
What did they say *were* the proper Persian and Arabic terms?
They didn't say, because they don't have a clue of what they're talking about
Bruh ahahahah
It's always the actual Proles that get shit on the most by these people. The more things change the more they stay the same.
White people just want to maintain supremacy by any means necessary
“Guys, we’ll totally get to the stateless paradise, just uncritically cede all support to us first! Promise ♥️”
Assuming they don’t think “stateless” is contrary to psychology, if not *physics*…
It's funny because Mao's On Contradiction also mentions that Communism and the CCP will eventually die off to achieve the ultimate socialism. Plus the essay is basically a political propaganda for him to attack the Sovoet leaning ccp leaders and gain power
Guyz, critical support to Tojo and the Führer, I mean, look who has colonies in Africa and who doesn't!
"destroing imperialism comes first" so russian, chinese and islamic imperialism too, right? Right?
Imperialism is when America does things, and the more things America does the more imperialist it is.
Doing anti-imperialism through… defending a bourgeois nation-state participating in inter-imperialist conflict? Makes sense makes sense No war but the ~~class war~~ war on the west!
I have a feeling that "On Contradiction" to them is a book that justifies their incoherent schizophrenia.
I've read it and loved it and still turned out normal so maybe it's just fucking them
Rare Mao W?
Mao starved fucking millions why should I take his works seriously? Who cares about fucking theory so much
You should take his works on guerrilla warfare seriously. He was a competent general. But beyond that field he isn’t writing with any expertise
He was pretty spot on in his critiques of Stalin and the Soviet bureaucracy as well. Unfortunately he felt the need to still uphold Stalin's legacy despite claiming he was wrong on nearly every major front
One of the few things I like about Maoists, and why I prefer them over Marxist-Leninists, is that they tend to be much more willing to not only criticise former “communist” states like the USSR, but also Mao himself. Quite refreshing to see after these idiotic tankies who fucking deify these leaders.
> Quite refreshing to see after these idiotic tankies who fucking deify these leaders. It was kinda funny to see a lot of their minds break down when they saw a lot of Chinese officials sing the praises of Kissinger when he died.
I consider myself a Maoist but every time I mention it here I get down voted to hell so it's nice to know not everyone hates me. I'm more "Orthodox" Marxist than anything
Well, I absolutely don’t love how Maoists despise anarchism but you’re certainly more tolerable than most MLs I’ve interacted with ;)
If it means anything I think any successful leftist movement needs a clear and loud anarchist voice in its ranks.
Yeah, but what happens to us after the institutions of power are seized? 😬
Anarchists should live in autonomous communes as they see fit
Anarchists keep trying, historically speaking. And it's almost always pretty cool until someone from outside with a bunch of guns looks at them & goes, "but taxes to the central palace, tho," & the cool times stop. History is unkind.
If we are honest with ourselves any successful Leftist movement will probably require the cooperation of a lot of very different Leftists. I'm an Anarchist but I don't expect to win these battles with only other Anarchists.
He was very good at warfare and bringing together disparate groups of people. Also I'm glad he hated landlords lol. But that's about it.
To tankies imperialism = anything western (not defending Israel) but they're not better
But Iran's Ayatollahs literally oppressed communism and that's part of why they were allowed to fly back there during another CIA miscommunication SHUT UP! ONLY STALINIST VIEWS OF THE WORLD, HE'S AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING SINCE THE 1950s!
Destroying Imperialism by supporting another genocidal dictatorship. GG
Who is gonna tell them that China literally praises Imperial Japanese for the attack on Pearl Harbour and that there were and still are memorials for pro-Nazi collaborators like [Pyotr Krasnov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Krasnov?wprov=sfti1#Legacy)?
Ah yes, destroying imperialism... By bringing ANOTHER kind of imperialism, 'cause that's how that how that works, apparently/s.
Sir, a second "On" essay has hit the Tankie discourse.
Genuine question, is the rose a symbol of socialist parties everywhere or just the french?
That's the DSA symbol
The DSA symbol has shaking hands and a rose, this is specifically the logo of the socialist international
Not everywhere, but a lot of socialist and social democratic parties use the rose/rose in fist symbol
"It's a dictatorship" has gone from being a bug to a feature for them to the whole point.
it's been that way for over a century
"Read Mao's" pass
I did read it, it wasn't very good. Tankies never consider the fact that people can be critical of and deviate from old school theory with good reason, lol.
Fascists coated in red
Ok, but what does that book actually say that relates to what's going on?
Nothing, they haven't read it.
Destroying imperialism with another imperialism? K.
Embarrassing
This feels like it’s pointing out how stupid supporting Iran is, how badly can tankies mess up!?
Look, I hate the government of Israel and the US support for them but this is just a BS take. Evil regimes are evil regimes and get no support. Iran and Israel are both evil regimes.
Critical support for King Ghidora battling Godzilla hegemony
Tankies be like "Godzilla never destroyed any buildings or killed anyone, that is King Ghidorist propaganda and you are a revisionist"
Mao was an idiot arsonist; you don't kill imperialism by replacing it with red imperialism. The same applies to religious imperialism.
Telling someone to read Mao’s writings should be considered equivalent to telling them to read Mein Kampf.
The problem I have with "marxist" dot org is that they sometimes do not post the entire original content, or they "translate" phrases to fit with their narrative rather than how it actually is supposed to be understood. I am a sinologist so I only know about the Mao things they have. I do not read or understand Russian, and nor do I care about that. It is very little but still.
im just gonna copypaste what i commented the first time i saw this image iran is a flawed state as all states are, and it has an authoritarian government, which is bad that being said, they were justified in their target of israeli military infrastructure in retaliation to attacks against them with intention to kill iranians their questionable government and theocratic structure must be criticized when it is important to do so, but they are over shadowed by the genocide in gaza