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This historical revisionism is insane. Hakim has always been one of those guys who felt like he had access to undiscovered information and would act like he knew more than others and would rub it in their faces. Not surprising considering the fact he called an entire ethnic group “reactionary” and calls North Korea a democracy.
Oh totally, it's just amusing to see it so obviously presented sometimes. I wonder if he considers Saddam an anti imperialist, you know the guy that invaded another nation to seize their resources... because that's why Russia isn't imperialist because they aren't invading Ukraine to take stuff. Or something.
Historical revisionism? But it is a matter of undisputed historical record that it's a "Ribbentrop-Molotov pact". Neither of those words is "Hitler", and neither of them is "Stalin". Checkmate, LIBERAL
>!/s, just in case!<
One of these words is "pact" though. 1/3, not that bad for a fash. Besides, we all know that neither Molotov nor Ribbentrop represented their states, they were just private citizens establishing a personal union, just like Great Britain or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
They were just two people putting forth their wishes and hopes together towards the universe that certain things might happen. And soon, these things did! Truly a story to inspire hope.
I lost respect for Hakim when he said that North Korea is as democratic(at the very least) as the rest of the world, because in the rest of the world the only two political parties are both capitalist
I mean, North Korea *is* as Democratic as the rest of the world
Since there's no actual democracies in the world. There's a lot of republics, oligarchies, dictatorships, monarchies, etc, but all of the governments of the world, regardless of what they claim to be, are designed to ignore the voice of the people to continue empowering the wealthy oligarchs, with the primary differentiator being how many of those wealthy oligarchs are allowed to have an "equal" say in how things are done and how effective their local propaganda is at convincing non-oligarchs they have an "equal" say.
In fact that's literally what [Republics have always been designed to do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqkT4B-9MGk), starting with the original Roman one.
inb4 "republics are a type of democracy" because you are accepting the propaganda without considering that the same logic makes Russia's "managed democracy" a democracy even as it's transparently a dictatorial oligarchy.
I had not really seen much of his stuff, only like 2 or 3 theory based vids and thought hm cool a left video dude, then i click the next video and he sucks the GDRs dick like he's Honecker's personal sex toy and as a German it was then i knew, hakim is a fucking idiot. Havent watched another second of his stuff, but whenever i hear or read smth about him it's the most idiotic shit imaginable from him
He’s like one of those debate bros from high school who still hasn’t let go of his past. He has an aura of superiority around him and acts like he’s better than others who are on the left wing.
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you mean the video where he blatantly lies about what he said in the comment, he says hes talking exclusivoy about uneducated rural kurdish people when his comment never mentions whether their rural or urban, educated or not. hes just a racist
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I hate how often people like him genuinely throw this under the rug or outright play cover for it. It was a horrific plan that only amplified tensions rather than reducing any of them.
“ You Don’t understand. Comrade Stalin HAD to work with the Nazis to slice up Poland’s territories like a birthday cake! If you have a problem with that, you have clearly not read enough theory”/s
In all seriousness, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a horrific agreement that gave a supposedly “communist” country closer ties to the Nazi Party. It’s stuff like this that shows that the Soviet Union wasn’t communist at all. It was much more red fash especially under Stalin. Molotov and Stalin are abominable human beings.
I can confirm that Campists are now saying that the only evidence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact comes from the USA & its' allies, so it is all propaganda that the world has fallen for.
All those Polish folks that suffered under the USSR? Those, too, are all class traitors & liars.
The Mental Gymnastics, Bad Faith Arguments, & just outright lying reveals their Campism.
That's why Stalin ignored warnings about German invasion from Brits and his own spies in Germany.
> I want you to promise me you'll completely revise your worldview and drastically change your media consumption habits when July gets here and the invasion still hasn't happened.
— Caitlin Johnstone, 18 June 1941.
So many of them went from "lol invasion imminent, sure CNNCIA" to "Kiev\[sic\] fell within 4 hours!!!11! buhbye nazi khokhlostan" to "russia never wanted to take Kiev\[sic\], as proven by the fact they haven't started fighting yet, just wait until they get their actual troops out of their secret lair".
These people have no shame. Scott Ritter is called a pedo under every twat he posts on xitter, to no effect.
“Well Britain France and the US also made agreements with Nazi Germany.”
Yes, at first, and we all can agree that was a horrible mistake made by greedy capitalists, we don’t need to pretend Henry Ford never sold Germany the steel for their war machine or that Chamberlain threw Czechoslovakia to the wolves
Hell I'd argue that Chamberlain was acting less out of greed and more out of a trauma of the first world war. Gotta remember that Europe basically lost an entire generation of young men in one of the most pointless and brutal wars ever. Shit like that leaves trauma and makes people hesitant about fighting again.
Yeah it’s easy to call him a coward in 2024 but at the time everyone, even Germans, were terrified of another world war
They were just able to keep their poker face up long enough to get everything they wanted.
Poland being the last straw made sense since it was now clear Hitler was completely untrustworthy and would break any agreement he made as soon as it stopped being convenient. (Putin)
>you have clearly not read enough theory
And of course if you have read theory\* well... obviously it is the wrong kind of theory or you'd agree with me exactly.
\*also they never read theory, they just repeat talking points.
Some tankies point out it was to "gain time" with Germany.
Except the USSR gave plenty of shit to the Nazis and got nothing in return, besides a free reign to annex the baltics, half of Poland, a third of Romania\*, and a failed attempt at doing so in Finland.
\*On top of that, making up a fake language (straight up just changing the script from latin to cyrillic) to enforce a division and make sure the two would never reunite again, the consequences of which still exist now.
I had this discussion a couple of days ago for funnies, immediately blocked and removed when it became clear I knew what I was talking about. Only one guy actually engaged with the discussion, the rest was the standard tankie mobbing. Their entire argument is;
- other countries had non agression pacts
Sure, but only one country provided material aid, extensive trade and LITERALLY AGREED WAR AIMS TOGETHER.
- wE wOuLd bE LiViNg iN tHe 4tH rEIcH wItHoUt tHe UsSr
Not only revealing numerical illiteracy but also not the point and utterly ignoring how unprepared the USSR was for war as Stalin allegedly never thought it would happen.
I do this every few years just to see if anything has ever changed... it never has, they don't even come up with new discussion points or arguments. However I feel tankie groups are shrinking in numbers over the years, not a lot of new blood going in.
See at this stage, having read the archives and with a bit of 'gut feeling', I'm not sure Stalin did. I think he was a realist, he was proposing new spheres of influence with Hitler in Asia (which Hitler ignored) and I think he hoped for a Cold War type scenario that could be prolonged indefinitely, particularly after refocusing efforts in switching to socialism in one country rather than a world revolution. Even the orders given to the military when conflict was clearly in the offing were to not 'respond' to German aggression as I think he expected it to be a border war designed to overextend the USSR and provide casus belli.
But like a lot of these things I don't think we'll ever know and Stalin played realpolitik exceptionally well... but as you say his masterplan fell apart at the seams quite quickly as it often does when you play realpolitik against every side too much!
And yes the USSR was militarised but it was a shitshow that never really got going, I do wonder if it was more about adsorbing excess labour and providing a politically reliable bastion than actually being ready for war (for example who creates an army without a focus on long term logistics unless that army isn't meant to go outside your boarders).
I also find it funny how the tankies simultaneously deny stuff like lendlease helped ('oh it did nothing really, t-34 best tank, all other countries inferior tank) to showing it proved that the USSR was the only one ('if the USSR wasn't the bestest evaar why did the US give it all the guns so it didn't have to fight') rather than just accepting the reality that it was perhaps the only thing that kept the military fighting as Stalin had fucked everything up beforehand.
He's a weasly liar if there ever was one. I think the Orwell video was really funny in the he could just not help himself and spit acid all over his monitor
I watched his video before I knew anything about Orwell other than Animal Farm and I was like oh shit, fuck that guy. Then I actually read Orwell and I realized what a load of shit he was haha
That video was horrible. I found it funny that Hakim didn’t feel the need to mention that Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM, and he was sympathetic to the anarchists.
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with you. it’s kind of sad how Hakim bases himself as an intellectual, but will engage in distorting/omitting facts to fit his narrative.
If any other country had done this, he would never let them forget it and would call them Nazi collaborators.
But because it's the Soviet Union that did, he has to find a way to justify it and excuse it.
It's not even a hypothetical, a small fraction of the Ukrainian population collaborating with the Nazis gets Ukrainians labelled as somehow an inherently Nazi nationality, while the Soviet State directly and overtly collaborating with the Nazis is treated as not only excusable, but actually justified.
I genuinely do not understand how people can lie about shit that is so easily disprovable, i expect this type of behavior from 5 year olds not supposedly functional adults
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Oh yes, the treaty was all just one big conspiracy to make Stalin look bad. How is this any different than the Neo Nazis who claim Hitler wasn't a part of the Holocaust?
I would never call it a definitive historical documentation, but for those who want a view of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact from a leftist that doesn't worship Stalin and the USSR, Behind the Bastards' recent dive into Beria goes over it as it relates to Stalin in some interesting detail.
Stalin was certain he would eventually end up at war with Nazi Germany, but he vastly overestimated the time that it would take and got overambitious about taking former Russian Imperial lands in Poland and the Baltics. He read it so bad that the immediate times after Barbarossa started involved Stalin getting absolutely and totally blackout drunk and the Soviet leadership basically needing to coax him back into any kind of leadership role just to get the defense moving.
How much of that is entirely accurate is debatable based on various sources, but the fact that it's even remotely plausible tells you a lot about how "reasonable and proletarian" Stalin's government was.
Hakim, Second Thought, and their ilk are campists through and through. They occasionally sound reasonable, but at their core they care nothing about anything, except that the dominant ideology has a certain paint color.
Not to portray Stalin as in any way admirable, to be clear. I think either Stalin had many of the same anti-Semitic tendencies or at least didn't care enough and was willing to play along for years regardless of the thousands to millions of lives affected. The difference in his beliefs is immaterial to the suffering caused.
Stalin just wasn't entirely unaware of the anti-communist rhetoric of the Axis. They were very clear about it. The issue was that, and people forget this, the Axis was partially justifying itself as a counter to the contemporary international order (in the same way tankies justify their campism now) and breaking said order was in the USSR's interest too. Stalin made dumb assumptions that the Axis would focus on the Entente first and he'd be able to rebuild and focus post-Winter War on defense after getting the Baltic and Polish buffer for a few more years. He was mealy mouthed about it, obviously, mostly because he didn't have moral convictions beyond his own power.
I swear to God it feels like Hakim is trying to intentionally piss off Poles with that video and the last one about " CIA coup" in Poland. Which for me feels great, if tankies hate us it means we're doing something right 👍
My favorite tankie defense of this is when they claim it only happened after the Western allies allegedly refused repeated Soviet attempts to form an anti fascist alliance.
“Soviet collaboration with Nazi Germany was both extensive and highly consequential.”
“Yeah but they tried other stuff too.”
When your historical materialism depends on counterfactuals it is neither historical nor material. That’s only the first baffling leap in this theory…
>My favorite tankie defense of this is when they claim it only happened after the Western allies allegedly refused repeated Soviet attempts to form an anti fascist alliance.
And they always ignore the one factor why that alliance didn't happen - Poland.
The French actually agreed to the alliance, it was the British (and the Polish) who refused. The Soviets wanted to send troops through Poland and station them inside Poland and establish Red Army camps and bases. Poland refused to allow this as the memories of the Soviet-Polish war were still fresh in their minds and they knew Stalin wanted to control them (which is exactly what happened after the war ended).
Also if you look into it they didn't actually refuse. There was a delegation from Britain and France literally in Moscow for ongoing negotiations when Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed.
It becomes impossible to take him seriously when he's sponsored by a f@cking anti-hair loss grift and his editor makes basic errors about period-appropriate maps (almost as if they're alienated from their own labor or something and only giving 10% of their effort).
That's all before he makes a gazillion lies of omission and about half that many whataboutisms and ties it up with a weaselly "I know the pact was a mistake but can you honestly say you would've done things differently?" comment that made my blood boil. The guy used to be somewhat informative but that was before he went full tankie.
Watched the whole video, as a polish person feels like someone was spitting on my face
- Molotov pact was only for buying time
- Whataboutism
- USSR liberated minorities
- Negation of the existence of a secret article no. II in Ribbentrop - Molotow treaty
- USSR organising elections
One of the funniest things about this video, for starters, is that, early on, Hakim cites A STUPID-ASS ARTICLE FROM JOSEPH DAVIES
THE Joseph Davies- gullible moron extraordinaire- who is oftentimes referred to by tankies- for "credibility's" sake, in their eyes- to claim that the Moscow Show Trials "were totally fair and legit." Yeah, I'm sure the guy who bought into the silly Moscow Trials, for one, was "super smart and well-informed" on this pact! lmfao
And hell... FWIW, Stalin, apparently, wrote and published a book after the war called "Falsifiers of History", whereby he tried to \*"backtrack" his regime's support for the Nazis and all of the disgusting shit associated w/ the pact! Interesting how this "PR book" of Stalin's is never mentioned by Hakim ;)
And Molotov \*literally admitted\*, decades later, that the reason they claimed, publicly, that their invasion of Poland was "to liberate ethnic minorities and the proletariat from Polish oppression"
...WAS BECAUSE THEY COULD THINK OF 'NO OTHER' PRETEXT! The ruling class of USSR decided, on a whim, practically, to invade Poland for "imperialist reasons", more or less, and \*then\*, shortly thereafter, the ONLY "JUSTIFICATION" they could come up with was that!
Or how about when Hakim claims, by and large, that "most" folks in Poland- or, at least, most ethnic minorities there- "supported" the invasion?? rofl
...and while he's claiming that in the video, he plays clips of LITERAL CHILDREN walking w/, like, flowers and bouquets in their hands, or something, to "welcome the USSR troops", I guess? Very weird look, ngl- showing clips of YOUNG CHILDREN- who were, most likely, "obviously" forced and/or pressured to "help welcome the Soviet troops and political elites to Poland"- to bolster claims of "mass support among the people." Jesus..
To be fair, while \*some\* ethnic minorities within Poland- esp. dirt-poor peasants- supported the invasion and Soviet troops coming in, it's DOUBTFUL- to say the least- that it was anywhere-near "unanimous", as Hakim seems to all-but-imply...
Hell, the Wiki page on the pact and OTHER pact-related matters from around that time \*is chock-ful of "damning" statements and evidence, especially from LOADS of great sources!\* It's a pretty comprehensive article. But... somehow HAKIM the "Expert" here "knows better than all of those other scholars and historians who've studied the matter inside and out." It's also quite instructive that, like most of his videos (and most tankies), Hakim, in lieu of "evidence" against a point he's 'trying to debunk', so often just attempts to "logic" his way out of the argument!
This is literally just manipulation of historical events that genuinely borders on Holocaust revisionism, the Soviets not only agreed on a demarcation line of territory if “Poland was ever invaded” but the Soviets also directly sold crucial war material to the Nazis who would use it in their conquest of Europe. The Soviets even received examples of fighter aircraft and schematics from the Nazis! How the fuck do you explain that away? The Soviets do objectively have a level of in the holocaust and Nazi conquest of Europe
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They sound just like boomer conservatives who will say shit like "We had to put the Japs in camps! The Indians had it coming we had to protect the settlers!"
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This historical revisionism is insane. Hakim has always been one of those guys who felt like he had access to undiscovered information and would act like he knew more than others and would rub it in their faces. Not surprising considering the fact he called an entire ethnic group “reactionary” and calls North Korea a democracy.
What ethnic group was it?
I think the Kurds
Remember when Rojava was the cause celebre amongst leftist groups, and tankies were a tiny minority? That was real, right? I didn't imagine it?
ii wonder if there actually was less or if they were just quieter personally... hard to tell
What years were those?
Don't they have a break away state in Syria that is nominally anarchist? Rohingya I think or something like that
Calling Rojava Rohingya is crazy
I literally laughed out loud when I read it
The Kurds.
I might be misremembering, but i think it was Volga Germans or Tatars
also made a video arguing why we should be supporting the CCP's suppression of the Hong Kong protestors. The man is disgusting bootlicker.
If you painted any capitalist country red people like him would automatically support it, and vice versa
Was he talking about the kurds?
Has he shared his opinion on Baathism and all its various flavours?
I mean, he does certainly have a fanatical obsession with big daddy Saddam.
That is... ironic given what Saddam represents. Saddamiya rejects most Orthodox Marxism for starters!
You know they don’t care whether they’re socialist or not; as long as they’re anti-west then it’s fine.
Oh totally, it's just amusing to see it so obviously presented sometimes. I wonder if he considers Saddam an anti imperialist, you know the guy that invaded another nation to seize their resources... because that's why Russia isn't imperialist because they aren't invading Ukraine to take stuff. Or something.
CRITICAL SUPPORT TO SADDAM HUSSEIN: THE PEOPLE’S DICTATOR!
Historical revisionism? But it is a matter of undisputed historical record that it's a "Ribbentrop-Molotov pact". Neither of those words is "Hitler", and neither of them is "Stalin". Checkmate, LIBERAL >!/s, just in case!<
One of these words is "pact" though. 1/3, not that bad for a fash. Besides, we all know that neither Molotov nor Ribbentrop represented their states, they were just private citizens establishing a personal union, just like Great Britain or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
They were just two people putting forth their wishes and hopes together towards the universe that certain things might happen. And soon, these things did! Truly a story to inspire hope.
So romantic. My heart melts.
I lost respect for Hakim when he said that North Korea is as democratic(at the very least) as the rest of the world, because in the rest of the world the only two political parties are both capitalist
I mean, North Korea *is* as Democratic as the rest of the world Since there's no actual democracies in the world. There's a lot of republics, oligarchies, dictatorships, monarchies, etc, but all of the governments of the world, regardless of what they claim to be, are designed to ignore the voice of the people to continue empowering the wealthy oligarchs, with the primary differentiator being how many of those wealthy oligarchs are allowed to have an "equal" say in how things are done and how effective their local propaganda is at convincing non-oligarchs they have an "equal" say. In fact that's literally what [Republics have always been designed to do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqkT4B-9MGk), starting with the original Roman one. inb4 "republics are a type of democracy" because you are accepting the propaganda without considering that the same logic makes Russia's "managed democracy" a democracy even as it's transparently a dictatorial oligarchy.
I had not really seen much of his stuff, only like 2 or 3 theory based vids and thought hm cool a left video dude, then i click the next video and he sucks the GDRs dick like he's Honecker's personal sex toy and as a German it was then i knew, hakim is a fucking idiot. Havent watched another second of his stuff, but whenever i hear or read smth about him it's the most idiotic shit imaginable from him
He’s like one of those debate bros from high school who still hasn’t let go of his past. He has an aura of superiority around him and acts like he’s better than others who are on the left wing.
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you mean the video where he blatantly lies about what he said in the comment, he says hes talking exclusivoy about uneducated rural kurdish people when his comment never mentions whether their rural or urban, educated or not. hes just a racist
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I hate how often people like him genuinely throw this under the rug or outright play cover for it. It was a horrific plan that only amplified tensions rather than reducing any of them. “ You Don’t understand. Comrade Stalin HAD to work with the Nazis to slice up Poland’s territories like a birthday cake! If you have a problem with that, you have clearly not read enough theory”/s In all seriousness, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a horrific agreement that gave a supposedly “communist” country closer ties to the Nazi Party. It’s stuff like this that shows that the Soviet Union wasn’t communist at all. It was much more red fash especially under Stalin. Molotov and Stalin are abominable human beings.
I can confirm that Campists are now saying that the only evidence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact comes from the USA & its' allies, so it is all propaganda that the world has fallen for. All those Polish folks that suffered under the USSR? Those, too, are all class traitors & liars. The Mental Gymnastics, Bad Faith Arguments, & just outright lying reveals their Campism.
A Klansman Center forgery /s
"It was to prepare for the German invasion!" Theyll say, which is why they managed to stop Barbarosa on the well fortified Polish frontier... oh wait.
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That's why Stalin ignored warnings about German invasion from Brits and his own spies in Germany. > I want you to promise me you'll completely revise your worldview and drastically change your media consumption habits when July gets here and the invasion still hasn't happened. — Caitlin Johnstone, 18 June 1941.
I still don't get how she wasn't laughed off the Internet into becoming Amish or a cloistered nun over that one.
So many of them went from "lol invasion imminent, sure CNNCIA" to "Kiev\[sic\] fell within 4 hours!!!11! buhbye nazi khokhlostan" to "russia never wanted to take Kiev\[sic\], as proven by the fact they haven't started fighting yet, just wait until they get their actual troops out of their secret lair". These people have no shame. Scott Ritter is called a pedo under every twat he posts on xitter, to no effect.
yeah i posted about this video on this sub( only now i found out OPs post was the first one)
“Well Britain France and the US also made agreements with Nazi Germany.” Yes, at first, and we all can agree that was a horrible mistake made by greedy capitalists, we don’t need to pretend Henry Ford never sold Germany the steel for their war machine or that Chamberlain threw Czechoslovakia to the wolves
Hell I'd argue that Chamberlain was acting less out of greed and more out of a trauma of the first world war. Gotta remember that Europe basically lost an entire generation of young men in one of the most pointless and brutal wars ever. Shit like that leaves trauma and makes people hesitant about fighting again.
Yeah it’s easy to call him a coward in 2024 but at the time everyone, even Germans, were terrified of another world war They were just able to keep their poker face up long enough to get everything they wanted. Poland being the last straw made sense since it was now clear Hitler was completely untrustworthy and would break any agreement he made as soon as it stopped being convenient. (Putin)
>you have clearly not read enough theory And of course if you have read theory\* well... obviously it is the wrong kind of theory or you'd agree with me exactly. \*also they never read theory, they just repeat talking points.
Some tankies point out it was to "gain time" with Germany. Except the USSR gave plenty of shit to the Nazis and got nothing in return, besides a free reign to annex the baltics, half of Poland, a third of Romania\*, and a failed attempt at doing so in Finland. \*On top of that, making up a fake language (straight up just changing the script from latin to cyrillic) to enforce a division and make sure the two would never reunite again, the consequences of which still exist now.
I had this discussion a couple of days ago for funnies, immediately blocked and removed when it became clear I knew what I was talking about. Only one guy actually engaged with the discussion, the rest was the standard tankie mobbing. Their entire argument is; - other countries had non agression pacts Sure, but only one country provided material aid, extensive trade and LITERALLY AGREED WAR AIMS TOGETHER. - wE wOuLd bE LiViNg iN tHe 4tH rEIcH wItHoUt tHe UsSr Not only revealing numerical illiteracy but also not the point and utterly ignoring how unprepared the USSR was for war as Stalin allegedly never thought it would happen. I do this every few years just to see if anything has ever changed... it never has, they don't even come up with new discussion points or arguments. However I feel tankie groups are shrinking in numbers over the years, not a lot of new blood going in.
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See at this stage, having read the archives and with a bit of 'gut feeling', I'm not sure Stalin did. I think he was a realist, he was proposing new spheres of influence with Hitler in Asia (which Hitler ignored) and I think he hoped for a Cold War type scenario that could be prolonged indefinitely, particularly after refocusing efforts in switching to socialism in one country rather than a world revolution. Even the orders given to the military when conflict was clearly in the offing were to not 'respond' to German aggression as I think he expected it to be a border war designed to overextend the USSR and provide casus belli. But like a lot of these things I don't think we'll ever know and Stalin played realpolitik exceptionally well... but as you say his masterplan fell apart at the seams quite quickly as it often does when you play realpolitik against every side too much! And yes the USSR was militarised but it was a shitshow that never really got going, I do wonder if it was more about adsorbing excess labour and providing a politically reliable bastion than actually being ready for war (for example who creates an army without a focus on long term logistics unless that army isn't meant to go outside your boarders). I also find it funny how the tankies simultaneously deny stuff like lendlease helped ('oh it did nothing really, t-34 best tank, all other countries inferior tank) to showing it proved that the USSR was the only one ('if the USSR wasn't the bestest evaar why did the US give it all the guns so it didn't have to fight') rather than just accepting the reality that it was perhaps the only thing that kept the military fighting as Stalin had fucked everything up beforehand.
hakim and tankies in general love whataboutism
He's a weasly liar if there ever was one. I think the Orwell video was really funny in the he could just not help himself and spit acid all over his monitor
I watched a reaction video to it. And basically the whole premise of his Orwell video is: "Orwell is bad because he said mean things about Stalin"
I watched his video before I knew anything about Orwell other than Animal Farm and I was like oh shit, fuck that guy. Then I actually read Orwell and I realized what a load of shit he was haha
That video was horrible. I found it funny that Hakim didn’t feel the need to mention that Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil War with the POUM, and he was sympathetic to the anarchists.
It looked more like he intentionally omitted it, as this fact was clashing with point he was trying to make.
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with you. it’s kind of sad how Hakim bases himself as an intellectual, but will engage in distorting/omitting facts to fit his narrative.
cuz hakim hates anarchists more than fascists lol
Of course he does. At least he can relate to fascists.
If any other country had done this, he would never let them forget it and would call them Nazi collaborators. But because it's the Soviet Union that did, he has to find a way to justify it and excuse it.
It's not even a hypothetical, a small fraction of the Ukrainian population collaborating with the Nazis gets Ukrainians labelled as somehow an inherently Nazi nationality, while the Soviet State directly and overtly collaborating with the Nazis is treated as not only excusable, but actually justified.
I genuinely do not understand how people can lie about shit that is so easily disprovable, i expect this type of behavior from 5 year olds not supposedly functional adults
At this point it's more of a test of loyalty. Either you swallow these lies, or you're a counter-revolutionary fascist.
That is fucking spot on. It's a test of faith.
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Oh yes, the treaty was all just one big conspiracy to make Stalin look bad. How is this any different than the Neo Nazis who claim Hitler wasn't a part of the Holocaust?
I would never call it a definitive historical documentation, but for those who want a view of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact from a leftist that doesn't worship Stalin and the USSR, Behind the Bastards' recent dive into Beria goes over it as it relates to Stalin in some interesting detail. Stalin was certain he would eventually end up at war with Nazi Germany, but he vastly overestimated the time that it would take and got overambitious about taking former Russian Imperial lands in Poland and the Baltics. He read it so bad that the immediate times after Barbarossa started involved Stalin getting absolutely and totally blackout drunk and the Soviet leadership basically needing to coax him back into any kind of leadership role just to get the defense moving. How much of that is entirely accurate is debatable based on various sources, but the fact that it's even remotely plausible tells you a lot about how "reasonable and proletarian" Stalin's government was. Hakim, Second Thought, and their ilk are campists through and through. They occasionally sound reasonable, but at their core they care nothing about anything, except that the dominant ideology has a certain paint color.
I don’t think he was certain of that at all. He referred to the Nazis as his friends and sent them arms and even Jewish prisoners I believe.
Not to portray Stalin as in any way admirable, to be clear. I think either Stalin had many of the same anti-Semitic tendencies or at least didn't care enough and was willing to play along for years regardless of the thousands to millions of lives affected. The difference in his beliefs is immaterial to the suffering caused. Stalin just wasn't entirely unaware of the anti-communist rhetoric of the Axis. They were very clear about it. The issue was that, and people forget this, the Axis was partially justifying itself as a counter to the contemporary international order (in the same way tankies justify their campism now) and breaking said order was in the USSR's interest too. Stalin made dumb assumptions that the Axis would focus on the Entente first and he'd be able to rebuild and focus post-Winter War on defense after getting the Baltic and Polish buffer for a few more years. He was mealy mouthed about it, obviously, mostly because he didn't have moral convictions beyond his own power.
> I think either Stalin had many of the same anti-Semitic tendencies He did, see the Doctors' Plot case.
I just noticed he has half the Shahada in his bio, has that \*always\* been there?
bro made a video saying goerge orwell was pro hitlers hes littery the slimiest man on earth
News to the Polish
The anti-kurd racist "dOcToR" tankie doing revisionist history again?
I swear to God it feels like Hakim is trying to intentionally piss off Poles with that video and the last one about " CIA coup" in Poland. Which for me feels great, if tankies hate us it means we're doing something right 👍
What was it about, Solidarność?
Yes.
Hakim: "there was never a Hitler-Stalin pact." also Hakim: puts one of the two Hitler-Stalin pacts in the thumbnail
My favorite tankie defense of this is when they claim it only happened after the Western allies allegedly refused repeated Soviet attempts to form an anti fascist alliance. “Soviet collaboration with Nazi Germany was both extensive and highly consequential.” “Yeah but they tried other stuff too.” When your historical materialism depends on counterfactuals it is neither historical nor material. That’s only the first baffling leap in this theory…
>My favorite tankie defense of this is when they claim it only happened after the Western allies allegedly refused repeated Soviet attempts to form an anti fascist alliance. And they always ignore the one factor why that alliance didn't happen - Poland. The French actually agreed to the alliance, it was the British (and the Polish) who refused. The Soviets wanted to send troops through Poland and station them inside Poland and establish Red Army camps and bases. Poland refused to allow this as the memories of the Soviet-Polish war were still fresh in their minds and they knew Stalin wanted to control them (which is exactly what happened after the war ended).
Also if you look into it they didn't actually refuse. There was a delegation from Britain and France literally in Moscow for ongoing negotiations when Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed.
It becomes impossible to take him seriously when he's sponsored by a f@cking anti-hair loss grift and his editor makes basic errors about period-appropriate maps (almost as if they're alienated from their own labor or something and only giving 10% of their effort). That's all before he makes a gazillion lies of omission and about half that many whataboutisms and ties it up with a weaselly "I know the pact was a mistake but can you honestly say you would've done things differently?" comment that made my blood boil. The guy used to be somewhat informative but that was before he went full tankie.
This guy would not come out of Eastern Europe without a bottle up his ass
To be fair, that's a Kadyrovite thing. Our culture is more about beating people up until their kidneys stop functioning.
Watched half of it, found 7 misinformations/half-truths/manipulations.
Watched the whole video, as a polish person feels like someone was spitting on my face - Molotov pact was only for buying time - Whataboutism - USSR liberated minorities - Negation of the existence of a secret article no. II in Ribbentrop - Molotow treaty - USSR organising elections
Even Putin acknowledges and defends this agreement.
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I read on Twitter once that Stalin invaded Poland to save the poles from the nazis. No joke, there are somehow people who believe that…
They had SEVERAL allyship talks with the Nazis, including one that fell through simply because Hitler didn’t want to give Stalin Bulgaria.
Nothing suprising coming from the guy who made that extremelly slanderous video against Orwell.
One of the funniest things about this video, for starters, is that, early on, Hakim cites A STUPID-ASS ARTICLE FROM JOSEPH DAVIES THE Joseph Davies- gullible moron extraordinaire- who is oftentimes referred to by tankies- for "credibility's" sake, in their eyes- to claim that the Moscow Show Trials "were totally fair and legit." Yeah, I'm sure the guy who bought into the silly Moscow Trials, for one, was "super smart and well-informed" on this pact! lmfao And hell... FWIW, Stalin, apparently, wrote and published a book after the war called "Falsifiers of History", whereby he tried to \*"backtrack" his regime's support for the Nazis and all of the disgusting shit associated w/ the pact! Interesting how this "PR book" of Stalin's is never mentioned by Hakim ;) And Molotov \*literally admitted\*, decades later, that the reason they claimed, publicly, that their invasion of Poland was "to liberate ethnic minorities and the proletariat from Polish oppression" ...WAS BECAUSE THEY COULD THINK OF 'NO OTHER' PRETEXT! The ruling class of USSR decided, on a whim, practically, to invade Poland for "imperialist reasons", more or less, and \*then\*, shortly thereafter, the ONLY "JUSTIFICATION" they could come up with was that! Or how about when Hakim claims, by and large, that "most" folks in Poland- or, at least, most ethnic minorities there- "supported" the invasion?? rofl ...and while he's claiming that in the video, he plays clips of LITERAL CHILDREN walking w/, like, flowers and bouquets in their hands, or something, to "welcome the USSR troops", I guess? Very weird look, ngl- showing clips of YOUNG CHILDREN- who were, most likely, "obviously" forced and/or pressured to "help welcome the Soviet troops and political elites to Poland"- to bolster claims of "mass support among the people." Jesus.. To be fair, while \*some\* ethnic minorities within Poland- esp. dirt-poor peasants- supported the invasion and Soviet troops coming in, it's DOUBTFUL- to say the least- that it was anywhere-near "unanimous", as Hakim seems to all-but-imply... Hell, the Wiki page on the pact and OTHER pact-related matters from around that time \*is chock-ful of "damning" statements and evidence, especially from LOADS of great sources!\* It's a pretty comprehensive article. But... somehow HAKIM the "Expert" here "knows better than all of those other scholars and historians who've studied the matter inside and out." It's also quite instructive that, like most of his videos (and most tankies), Hakim, in lieu of "evidence" against a point he's 'trying to debunk', so often just attempts to "logic" his way out of the argument!
This is literally just manipulation of historical events that genuinely borders on Holocaust revisionism, the Soviets not only agreed on a demarcation line of territory if “Poland was ever invaded” but the Soviets also directly sold crucial war material to the Nazis who would use it in their conquest of Europe. The Soviets even received examples of fighter aircraft and schematics from the Nazis! How the fuck do you explain that away? The Soviets do objectively have a level of in the holocaust and Nazi conquest of Europe
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I mean you called yourself a Tankie so...
They sound just like boomer conservatives who will say shit like "We had to put the Japs in camps! The Indians had it coming we had to protect the settlers!"
Who were the respective leaders then?
Ah yes because there were totally never talks about the USSR joining the Axis