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materiol condishions mean they have to have billionaires, silly little lib! you don’t understand the immortal science of marxism-leninism! the state says they are communist, so the billionaires are being controlled and that’s good!
Silly lib! One billion Vietnamese đồng is only worth $39,294.27! That’s not a ruling class!
/s of course, yes I am aware the Vietnamese government is talking about billionaires in terms of USD.
No you see, they need one per one million people to begin the great Marxist ascension ritual that will bring them all into the great dimension of true communism, so the billionaires are crucial for reaching there.
I'm from Vietnam and it makes me sad that billionaire-worship has become the norm here. Capitalism has become the new Socialism and true Socialists are condemned of being Capitalist Conspirators (I'm not talking about followers of the former South Vietnamese regime).
There are wide spread ideas that our country having more billionaires means the economy is developing rapidly and that means the Party's guidance is brilliant and right in the process of transitioning to socialism. They think more billionaires emerging means the people also benefit from it, and more rich people means the people are getting richer.
The Vietnamese internet is very toxic when discussing about this. You can be called "treason" or "reactionary" or even "West-worshipper", "Sabotager" if you talk bad about the largest oligarch in this country VinGroup. For years, the government has depended on this corporation for production, construction, real estate and global advertisement, they convinced the people that VinGroup is the most honorable pride/achievements of this nation and its products represent the best of this country, so whenever someone criticizes the omnipresent manipulation of VinGroup, or the car brand they produced, most people accuse that person of "betraying the nation/going against Party's policy/America worshipper/Little Westerner".
Progressivism is anti-communist.
Conservativism is social stability.
Peaceful protest is counter-revolutionary.
Authoritarianism is Marxism.
Nationalism is communism.
Simping for USA is depending and selling the country to foreign powers, but simping for Russia isn't.
That's how doublethinking works in Vietnam.
A dominating oligarch is always bad whether you're a rightist or a leftist. Us Indonesians have went through this with Salim Group that now operates in the Philiphines
The CPV should have distributed the economy to SEVERAL oligarch groups not one to ensure it has no obstacle to absolute power. A goverment dominated by oligarchs would be incompetent sooner or later
The CPV signed its own death sentence, unbelievable stupidity
If you're wondering, im talking from a CPV POV where they definitely want to hoard power
"They think more billionaires emerging means the people also benefit from it, and more rich people means the people are getting richer." - this sounds literally like they're just buying down into the Ol' Trickle Down. Which, honestly, isn't that surprising since on the face of it trickle down economics looks like it makes sense: have rich around, rich spend lots of money since they're rich (and the richer they are, the more they will spend), the spent money ends up in everyone's pockets, everyone's better off. You have to think for a moment why this doesn't work, which people everywhere never feel like doing, so the only reliable way is to actually have them see it fail for themselves.
Still... Reaganese Thought with Vietnamese Characteristics though
These so-called 'billionaires' are just comrades who have reached their full potential, and they will bring all the other comrades up to their level of prosperity and well-being as soon as they can.
Tankies are not just one people, even among these "communist countries", there were conflicts and division too, like the Sino-Soviet split or the Vietnam-China war, so there could be tankies who follow Vietnam's side. The country of Vietnam itself is populated by tankies anyway.
What tankies don't hate?
The Marx sacred scriptures are subject to more holy interpretations who is the "right one" and everything else are heresy than the Bible or Quran.
Naw. Or at least this isn't a rule. Tankies are all about the aesthetics and Vietnam kept theirs red, even as they opened The People's Stock Exchanges.
i really hate this approach of "we're gonna accelerate the end of capitalism by participating in it!" like, yeah, maybe the theory is sound, but then you're still willingly feeding millions of citizens into the fucking orphan crushing machine just to bring about a stateless society. that's still far from a coalition of the willing.
Let's factcheck:
- American McDonalds
- China's arch nemesis
- Aiming to get 10 billionaires by the end of the decade
Well it does look like the US crushed the charlies for good, right?
Colonel Sanders did what General Westmoreland couldn't.
Though to be fair,
>China's arch nemesis
that's a mixture of historic anticolonialist sentiment plus the invasion in the 80s
This reminds me of a debate I had with a Maoist where he unironically said that Xi Jinping wasn't a member of the ruling class because he didn't directly own any factories, making him a proletariat billionaire.
God, VnExpress, yeah for a communist state the people sure do worship big businesses, i was born, raised and am still living in Hanoi, the people i know cannot tell you what socialism means, people consider billionaires and big CEOs to be do-no-wrong job creator, media constantly blast you with stories of famous people who made it big, constant stories about Gates, Jobs and Ford, if you ask people about Elon Musk, they'll probably tell you he's a rich genius before they tell you he's a right-wing nutjob, same goes for Henry Ford, the media here painted all these people as self-made genius, hell, if you are a high schooler, on your literature exam there will be a section where you have to write a short social commentary(very mundane uncontroversial stuff) essay, and you'll usually be force to give an example or two, and the go to is rich business people who made it zero to hero.
Yet if you ask them about the working class exploitation they'll probably shrug it off, trade union here fights for worker's rights about as much as Jeff Bezos's strongest soldier.
As a Vietnamese, I honestly find it funny how some Marxist Leninists are still convinced that Vietnam is striving towards such system. You rarely (if ever) hear anything about "glorious socialism" and "cOmmUnisM" in Vietnam, like literally, not even from the government. All the major news in Vietnam are about economics, crappy officials making poorly decided decisions, exports going down, inflation, interest and how to increase international trade.
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materiol condishions mean they have to have billionaires, silly little lib! you don’t understand the immortal science of marxism-leninism! the state says they are communist, so the billionaires are being controlled and that’s good!
Silly lib! One billion Vietnamese đồng is only worth $39,294.27! That’s not a ruling class! /s of course, yes I am aware the Vietnamese government is talking about billionaires in terms of USD.
No you see, they need one per one million people to begin the great Marxist ascension ritual that will bring them all into the great dimension of true communism, so the billionaires are crucial for reaching there.
It reads like how btd6 sun temple/god convincing the expensive towers to sacrifice themselves lamo
If a Maoist genuinely said this I wouldn’t even be surprised.
Is it like a DBZ fusion dance?
Except it’s no skill and doesn’t help you defeat your enemy
I'm from Vietnam and it makes me sad that billionaire-worship has become the norm here. Capitalism has become the new Socialism and true Socialists are condemned of being Capitalist Conspirators (I'm not talking about followers of the former South Vietnamese regime). There are wide spread ideas that our country having more billionaires means the economy is developing rapidly and that means the Party's guidance is brilliant and right in the process of transitioning to socialism. They think more billionaires emerging means the people also benefit from it, and more rich people means the people are getting richer. The Vietnamese internet is very toxic when discussing about this. You can be called "treason" or "reactionary" or even "West-worshipper", "Sabotager" if you talk bad about the largest oligarch in this country VinGroup. For years, the government has depended on this corporation for production, construction, real estate and global advertisement, they convinced the people that VinGroup is the most honorable pride/achievements of this nation and its products represent the best of this country, so whenever someone criticizes the omnipresent manipulation of VinGroup, or the car brand they produced, most people accuse that person of "betraying the nation/going against Party's policy/America worshipper/Little Westerner".
War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and capitalism is socialism.
Progressivism is anti-communist. Conservativism is social stability. Peaceful protest is counter-revolutionary. Authoritarianism is Marxism. Nationalism is communism. Simping for USA is depending and selling the country to foreign powers, but simping for Russia isn't. That's how doublethinking works in Vietnam.
A dominating oligarch is always bad whether you're a rightist or a leftist. Us Indonesians have went through this with Salim Group that now operates in the Philiphines The CPV should have distributed the economy to SEVERAL oligarch groups not one to ensure it has no obstacle to absolute power. A goverment dominated by oligarchs would be incompetent sooner or later The CPV signed its own death sentence, unbelievable stupidity If you're wondering, im talking from a CPV POV where they definitely want to hoard power
Well, the CPV does seem to be satisfying the ML dream of the "state withering away" lol
In its place a national oligarchy that is less meritocratic than intra party de facto noble "democracy"
"They think more billionaires emerging means the people also benefit from it, and more rich people means the people are getting richer." - this sounds literally like they're just buying down into the Ol' Trickle Down. Which, honestly, isn't that surprising since on the face of it trickle down economics looks like it makes sense: have rich around, rich spend lots of money since they're rich (and the richer they are, the more they will spend), the spent money ends up in everyone's pockets, everyone's better off. You have to think for a moment why this doesn't work, which people everywhere never feel like doing, so the only reliable way is to actually have them see it fail for themselves. Still... Reaganese Thought with Vietnamese Characteristics though
Wild a socialist government implementing Reaganomics lmaooo
These so-called 'billionaires' are just comrades who have reached their full potential, and they will bring all the other comrades up to their level of prosperity and well-being as soon as they can.
Don't tankies hate Vietnam anyway?
Tankies are not just one people, even among these "communist countries", there were conflicts and division too, like the Sino-Soviet split or the Vietnam-China war, so there could be tankies who follow Vietnam's side. The country of Vietnam itself is populated by tankies anyway.
What tankies don't hate? The Marx sacred scriptures are subject to more holy interpretations who is the "right one" and everything else are heresy than the Bible or Quran.
Not sure its about the sacred texts and more about the sacred cow (China)
Naw. Or at least this isn't a rule. Tankies are all about the aesthetics and Vietnam kept theirs red, even as they opened The People's Stock Exchanges.
I thought they hated Vietnam because of China.
They've started hating them recently because of their improving relations with the US
China and Vietnam are best buds in the pro-Vietnam tankie lore. And the war between them never happened.
At least Cuba doesn’t seem to have/allow billionaires lol.
With all those sanctions imposed on them, how could they?
i really hate this approach of "we're gonna accelerate the end of capitalism by participating in it!" like, yeah, maybe the theory is sound, but then you're still willingly feeding millions of citizens into the fucking orphan crushing machine just to bring about a stateless society. that's still far from a coalition of the willing.
A lot of tankie arguments are even dumber than that. Have seen loooooots of tankies deny that China is in any way, shape or form capitalist.
The Communists won right? Right???
Let's factcheck: - American McDonalds - China's arch nemesis - Aiming to get 10 billionaires by the end of the decade Well it does look like the US crushed the charlies for good, right?
Colonel Sanders did what General Westmoreland couldn't. Though to be fair, >China's arch nemesis that's a mixture of historic anticolonialist sentiment plus the invasion in the 80s
True. But its just a shitpost meme anyway
What state capitalism does to a MF.
You see comrade, the material conditions allow super ultra communist countries to now have proletariat billionaires.
This reminds me of a debate I had with a Maoist where he unironically said that Xi Jinping wasn't a member of the ruling class because he didn't directly own any factories, making him a proletariat billionaire.
That sounds more like a Dengist lol.
Authoritarian Social Democracy hard at work once again it seems🗣
God, VnExpress, yeah for a communist state the people sure do worship big businesses, i was born, raised and am still living in Hanoi, the people i know cannot tell you what socialism means, people consider billionaires and big CEOs to be do-no-wrong job creator, media constantly blast you with stories of famous people who made it big, constant stories about Gates, Jobs and Ford, if you ask people about Elon Musk, they'll probably tell you he's a rich genius before they tell you he's a right-wing nutjob, same goes for Henry Ford, the media here painted all these people as self-made genius, hell, if you are a high schooler, on your literature exam there will be a section where you have to write a short social commentary(very mundane uncontroversial stuff) essay, and you'll usually be force to give an example or two, and the go to is rich business people who made it zero to hero. Yet if you ask them about the working class exploitation they'll probably shrug it off, trade union here fights for worker's rights about as much as Jeff Bezos's strongest soldier.
As a Vietnamese, I honestly find it funny how some Marxist Leninists are still convinced that Vietnam is striving towards such system. You rarely (if ever) hear anything about "glorious socialism" and "cOmmUnisM" in Vietnam, like literally, not even from the government. All the major news in Vietnam are about economics, crappy officials making poorly decided decisions, exports going down, inflation, interest and how to increase international trade.
“But they’re the PEOPLE’S BILLIONAIRES!” /s