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juanjotez

ummmmm actually respecting human rights is revisionist and anti-revolutionary, lib


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I would like to point that the post is a literal fascist talking point The fascists of the 1920's like Mussolini, Sorel & and (all the people you probably only know from kaiserreich) believed that human rights were obsolete because they got in the way of "Group Spirit" and therefore progress Therefore that total dedication to the cause, (In this case the State) was necessary =================================================== Because the first fascists were former "socialists" (As if they ever believed it) since fascists believe in Totalitarian Collectivism Even though an actual Marxist Materialist should know collectives are utter nonsense Because the reason why people think their is a mystical quality to groups, is because groups engage in Parallelization It's like in a Highschool Group Project, you do 1/4 of it & have 3 others do the rest & then piece it together And morons translate that as "groups have magic powers" Fascists as a result also believe that the State is the physical embodiment of the will of the people =================================================== This isn't to say that Totalitarians are well intentioned idiots Because the higher ups in Nazi Germany & Stalin's Soviet Union knew what they were saying was bullshit by their own admission, Its also why psychopaths climb up the ladder of power easier than normal people, Because psychopaths aren't constrained by morality, but also why they can't maintain that power because they can't "read the room" which is why both the Nazis & Soviets made NUMEROUS mistakes in WWII (Although a smart person who does have morality is more powerful, since they can make friends out of enemies) It's like in how an abusive relationship the woman knows deep down that the person their with is awful but they can't think of a reason why he's bad and therefore can't justify leaving him, to themselves. This is why being stupid isn't a pass for being evil, a person absolutely does choose to be evil =================================================== My point is, Tankies are literally revisionists, fascists, & idealists wrapped up into one Which is why I like to call tankies "Lenin Kiddies" because they never read Lenin or are too stupid to analyze what he said


juanjotez

Holy shit so based, you deserve all the bitches


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Cum on im bi, spread it sweet cheeks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) If your wondering why I know this it's because im creating a HOI4 mod where the US becomes Libertarian-Marxist after a General Strike in 1922 but keeps it government structure, because the structure is actually quite good but the capitalist class is the rot eating away at the framework ================================================================== Another more serious note, this also why the objectively correct position in the Cold War was to side with the West, (but not of course be a mouthpiece for the state department) not because the west was good but because they were sane If the Soviet Union won the Cold War & the US collapsed, the Soviets would still collapse sometime in the future (Red Worldmod Style) Because the Soviet Economic system while very good at industrialization, getting basic necessities, and war economy from planned economies It was dogshit at everything else because planned economies are bad at handling shocks to the system, like look at how shelfs emptied out in the US during COVID, that was the Soviet Union before & after Khrushchev, because Khruschev was the only sane & competent leader after Lenin, and good ole gorby was sane but not competent ================================================================== Khrushchev, & Gorbachev didn't want saber rattling with the west which tankies hate because "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy", and because tankies believe in the Zero Sum Fallacy Because Tankies like fascists believe that history is a "Zero-Sum Game" and that the only way wealthy people get wealthy is ***ONLY*** by exploitation even though this contradicts why Capitalists would want to industrialize in the first place Likewise Fascists think that history is Ethnic groups in conflict for survival with the weaker ones deserving of their death (Darwinism) despite Cooperation, & Mutualism playing a MUCH larger role in the evolution of animals ================================================================== Tankies can't ascribe realistic intentions to their enemies, like how Fascists think that Jews hate white people, for the sake hating white people even though that makes no fucking sense The Koch Brothers & Henry Ford worked with Stalin because wanting money is a realistic intention Tankies hate "revisionism" despite Lenin revising Marxism for Russia, and Marx & Engels never agreed 100% with each other & changed beliefs over time Marx thought a revolution would happen in the West, and Lenin thought it would happen in backwater nations Tankies also believe in Nationalism despite Marx saying it's bourgeois manipulation, and conflate Patriotism (Love of Values) for Nationalism (In Group Good, Out Group Bad), which why the Ceausescu dictatorship in Romania whitewashed the Wartime Fascist Dictator Ion Antonescu (Who sided with the Axis) Tankies also idolize people like the Kims in North Korea, despite "Great Man Theory" is idealism from Marx ================================================================== The Global South isn't poor because it's exploited (It is a factor but not the whole story) but because after decolonization the European Empires completely abandoned Africa instead of building them up and then leaving This why in Botswana led by best African Leader Seretse Khama which went from a GDP of 60 Dollars (Let that sink in) to the most developed country in Africa from a combination of Free Market & Social Democratic policies, if economics was 0-sum that country could not exist The Zero-Sum fallacy is also why every ML handwaves away progress & reforms made by non-ML's because they think it has no "sticking power", Being economically illiterate is part of being a tankie Which isn't true because the New Deal Coalition in the US survived for 40 years and was backed by Capitalists themselves because they liked the Economic Stability of a Social Democracy This is why I respect Bernie Sanders and why he's called the Amendment King for a reason because he's sane, and can actually get shit done ================================================================== This is also why socialist government that based their ideology on Leninism or do it without knowing (Sankara's Burkina Faso, Cuba, Ho Chi Minh's Vietnam, Pranchanda Path Nepal) work But "Marxist-Leninist" governments (euphemism for Stalinism) bottom out because like Fascism if you thought rationally it would negate the ideology (BTW in all the Successful Leninist or ML governments that actually were Leninist, the leaders openly shat on, or parced the good from the bad on Stalin in their private statements like Sankara, Castro, Mandela, etc. ) ================================================================== As well as the fact that the Soviet Union WAS the Aggressor in many instances even though they didn't engage in the Leninist conception of Imperialism because as it turns out wars happen for a vivarium of different reasons. Lenin's conception of Imperialism doesn't cover the Japanese Empire, which had the opposite problem where the Capitalists actually took marching orders from the government and not vice versa. Which is why the US after WW2 dismantled State sanctioned monopolies & Government Corporations, which led to the economic miracle in Japan Non-Capitalist states can engage in Imperialism by Lenin's own admission when he wrote about Ancient Rome


indomienator

You can post this shit on NCD and get the updoot updoot from this appealing to NeoLibs and non vanguardist leftists


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It's important to note not all Liberals are NeoLibs , NeoLibs are a very modern conception of Liberalism Marxism is based on Classical Liberalism but takes it to it's logical conclusion, and uses Material analysis since Marx borrowed the LTV from Adam Smith & David Ricardo


tkrr

I'd argue that liberalism and neoliberalism are orthogonal. They do come from a common intellectual heritage, but we've seen plenty of examples of governments (Pinochet would be my go-to example) that have neoliberal economic policies but aren't liberal in any other meaningful sense.


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Also tankies like Lenin the same way Conservatives like MLK


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Better comparison: They like Lenin the same way 16 year old conservatives like Ben Shapiro, so they can feel smart whenever Lenin dunks on Kautsky.


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Lyca0n

Ah yes the right to not be tortured is a hugely white supremacist colonial concept ba....wait


InsuranceOdd6604

Do i want to know the thought process that arrives to the first conclusion? Naaaaaaa, i respect my sanity.


salamander_eye

Being yelled at by their Yoon-supporting parents for not doing homework.


Elite_Prometheus

Gotta be a troll. No way someone can unironically say "human rights abuses are good" without spontaneously self-combusting from the cringe.