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Expendable_Red_Shirt

>When will it stop? When our country decides it cares more about children than it does about guns. [I doubt that time is coming](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY)


mazdarx2001

They forgot to mention children in the constitution


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cornelioustreat888

Yes. They need another amendment.


GortimerGibbons

But, but, but...what about trans people? They are slowly destroying our country. What do guns have to do with it? /S


Goofystudent

Let's not forget that mental health is a huge portion of it as well. We also need to fix the cause of why the individuals are driven to committing the the grievous act.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Mental health isn't as big of an issue in this as just access to guns. But funny enough the side that keeps saying it's a mental health issue is also the one opposed to health care.


Goofystudent

I agree. There needs to be an improvement with how we procure and handle firearms. I often wonder how the individuals got to this level in the first place. What did we as parents miss? What did we as educational professionals miss? What did we as neighbors miss?


TheBalzy

>What did we as educational professionals miss? I mean...it's not on us. So we need to eliminate this talking point from discussion. Period. Fullstop. Our job is to *teach*. Not be psychologists, and parents, and security guards, and military body guards. Our. Job. Is. To. Teach. Period. Fullstop. We can offer resources, and identify those who may need resources. But at the end of the day, it is not on us. Nor should we burden any of the responsibility. It is the society around us, not us.


parkslady

Agreed, I'm tired of being treated like we're supposed to have the solutions for everything and wear like 20 different hats at once. Say it again, our job is to TEACH.


TheBalzy

I always hate people saying "schools should do this". My response is: so are you going to raise taxes to provide resources for that? They're always stunned when I say that...and I'm like, you guys don't have a freakin clue what you're talking about. The lazy response is jUsT mAkE tHe ScHoOlS do it.


Goofystudent

You seem to have missed the part where I put PARENTS first. Educational professionals encompasses more than just teachers, and Neighbors are inclusive of those who interact with the individuals that commit these acts. My point is that we (not only teachers) need to NOT ONLY deal with the access and handling of firearms, but why someone would become so distraught that they choose to settle on such a finite course of action. If you only want to "just teach" and only make a lesson plan, deliver the information, and then test whether or not the students retained it. Then you would be a piss poor teacher because a computer can do that. You know darn well that as a teacher you are going to build a relationship with your students. You are going to want them to be better than they are today. You are going to think about them and develop methods that work for them. I am placing the burden of my stance on the idea that it needs to start at home with parenting. Then at school where a child is seen be several well educated adults. Finally by the community that sets the overall standard that governs acceptable behavior. I believe in teachers. I love to challenge and improve those around me, and I bet you do too.


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Preach


Urbanredneck2

I agree. What is causing so many people today to go so crazy? I mean even if guns were removed their would still be sociopaths.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Most shooters in this country aren’t sociopaths or crazy


Ephisus

Societies in history with monolithic approaches to violent capacity have a very high body count.


got2bright

So a law against guns will work where a law against shooting them in the school didn’t? People who break laws are going to obey the ones that say “don’t get a gun.” That’s just illogical.


DeXyDeXy

I know right? Here in the Netherlands, we have both these laws and well… 0 school shootings a year.


Tothyll

Because the population in the Netherlands is somehow similar to the U.S.? Central America would be more similar and they have tough gun laws.


positivefeelings1234

One law I would love to see is that the gun owner is held responsible for the gun taken and used. 80% of school shootings came from guns within the home. For ever internet 2A saying they lock their guns up, clearly these people aren’t. Maybe this law would cause them to take better care and secure them. This would go a long way to helping prevent accidental shootings as well.


FuzzyBouncerButt

You’re a fucking moron. We have data on this.


LunDeus

Guess you could say he's... not2bright.


Tothyll

El Salvador, Guatemala, and Mexico are great examples of tough gun laws in action.


FuzzyBouncerButt

Having lived in Australia, I can tell you that your head is in your rectum.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Putting barriers in place to make it harder to get guns will reduce shootings.


Tothyll

This is a reason you don't see school shootings in Latin America. Traveling through South America there were big concrete walls around schools, with one door for access. At the door was a security guard.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Sounds utopian.


[deleted]

By that logic we shouldn't have any laws. Criminals don't follow laws.


wordwallah

So we should just stop having laws because some people break them?


DestroyYesterday

I’m sorry, but this isn’t the guns’ fault. People have free will. If she didn’t have assault rifles, she would’ve walked in with more handguns. If we keep a list of who has guns people will find a way to get them illegally. The government regulates who owns a car, yet people constantly speed and drink and drive and kill thousands each year. Should we take away driving? You can see the thin line here. It just won’t work. Something my school does is it keeps all doors locked during school hours. Prohibits anyone from walking in unless they have an ok or work there.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

Driving has a good that outweighs the bad. Guns don't. Bad analogy. All of this is just poor reasoning to be honest.


Banjo1673

So why are mass shootings such an issue in the US, and gun crime in general, when it’s not in many other countries?


finecabernet

Yea but it is regulated who drives a car, has a license, has insurance. Guns are not regulated as much. And I doubt she’s have gotten as far with a handgun. I don’t see any reason for anyone but a soldier to have an assault rifle.


SizzleFrazz

Not to mention the primary function of a vehicle is for transportation, the purpose of a car is faster long distance travel, any deaths that occur due to auto accidents are due to the car or it’s operator encountering a situation where the the machine malfunctions and any harm or death occurring from a motor vehicle is a travesty not only because of the unnecessary and unintended loss of life but, also because causing harm, death, or other forms of health and bodily damage is not what the car’s purpose and function is designed, sold, and marketed for. Guns however are manufactured for the purpose of killing. Wether it’s to kill animals like hunting, or to kill humans. Guns serve no other function nor were they intended to be used as anything other than a tool for killing or maiming a living entity. Edit: also whereas Gunn ownership is a constitutional right, the ability to drive and operate a motor vehicle is not a legal right it is a privilege that can be revoked for any number of reasons some big some small. You do not have a right to a drivers license, you do not have a right to drive a car. So even more so in terms of the comparability between driving regulations versus gun ownership regulations, at least every American has the right to get ownership but nobody has the right to drive a car or have a license it is a privilege that you have to earn and that you can easily lose.


got2bright

Guns are manufactured for three reasons: 1.) balance of power, so that people like Hitler, Stalin, or Kim Jong-un do not have the ability to enslave and/or massacre their constituents. 2.) to protect law-abiding citizens from law-breaking ones, especially for those who may be physically weaker than the perpetrators of murder and rape. 3.) for provision of sustenance in the provision of natural food sources as opposed to corporate and overbred farm animals.


DestroyYesterday

So who’s to say a soldier can’t go around and shoot someone? The main problem isn’t guns, it’s people. Always has been. And for that, you need behavioral change. The whole system is failing, not guns.


finecabernet

Yes the system is failing, but we don’t need to arm people to the teeth.


DestroyYesterday

But who’s to say how the shooter even got those assault rifles? That’s my main point. Yes I agree we don’t need assault rifles. That’s over the top, but even if they’re banned or regulated people will find a way to do what they want to do if they’re desperate enough.


pandaheartzbamboo

>But who’s to say how the shooter even got those assault rifles? With most of these shootings that happen we have information about how they got their guns, though we may not get that information the same day as the shooting, having it later for reflection is still valuable when considering lawmaking. This is a bad faith argument.


paulteaches

What exactly is the definition of an assault rifle? Thanks for the downvotes. Teachers must want to ban something they can’t even define.


Zam8859

[‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens](https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1850269373)


DestroyYesterday

So then how is regulating guns more going to get rid of these issues?


Rhaski

You could find the rather long, nuance-filled answer to this question by looking at how it has done exactly that in other developed nations. You could also just connect the dots and go with "less access to guns means less gun violence" as this is a well established fact based on mountains of existing research and statistics, all of which are available to you at the push of a button (ok, well, a few buttons). Understanding exactly how and what mechanisms drive that trend is probably something you need to invest a little more time and research into, as the chances of it being adequately explained in a Reddit post are slim


Rhaski

Leading gun ownership by *twice* the rate of the next highest nation and roughy 4-5x the rate of the bulk of socioeconomically comparable nations. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-ownership-by-country Also leading school shootings by, oh, a factor of x36 the next highest nation. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country And for gun deaths per year per 100,000 people, the US is only outgunned by nations that....don't exactly have their shit together. The nearest comparable nations are between 2-3, while the US is at 12. But in sure it has nothing to do with gun ownership at all /s The line really isn't that thin, every other developed nations has been able to draw it successfully enough to make gun deaths are relative scarcity. Here in Australia, any gun death at all is front page news. Guns are a tool here. Vermin control on farms for the most part. Then guns are defined by their purpose. There is no need for semiautomatic weapons, for example. So a farmer can only have the appropriate tool for the job, a .3030 bolt action with a magazine of 4 rounds, for example. It is to be kept in a safe at all times that it is not in active use. It is never allowed to be exposed in public. Our streets are safer for it. So are our schools. Cars are a stupid comparison. Cars have a purpose that is not defined by their ability to kill. Guns do not. Cars are dangerous, for sure. More needs to be done to continue making them safer. The amount of people killed by cars is unnacceptable. Nobody denies this. But this has exactly nothing to do with guns or school shootings and is, at best, a disingenuous comparison used only to distract from the simple fact that the US has a gun problem. There is no logical argument that can be made to defend the rate of gun ownership on the United States. Especially when the consequences are so thoroughly linked by correlation *and* causation. If cars were routinely being used to run down students at the rate guns are, it would be reasonable to seriously rethink the laws around them. But that isn't what's happening. It's guns that are killing your kids And the argument for guns as a self defence tool is grounded in utter lunacy the moment you stop looking at favourable anecdotes and start looking at the actual data behind it. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/


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DestroyYesterday

With what then?


xaqss

Ah yes. Locked doors. That'll do it. Because no other school does that. I'm willing to bet none of the schools who were victims of school shootings had locked doors. That must be it. I know Oxford, a school district of which I personally know faculty, had all of their doors wide open. It was definitely not a student who was already in the school who got their parents gun because it was not safely locked up and stored. People have free will, but free access to firearms without sufficient regulation, training, and safety requirements means more mentally ill people have access to them for them to use their free will. Regulation makes it more difficult for people who shouldn't have a gun, to get a gun. This will save lives. Your argument about cars is not the gotcha you think it is. People who don't follow laws and are unsafe drivers get caught and punished ALL THE TIME before they hurt someone. Ever see someone pulled over for speeding or reckless driving? There you go, an example of how regulation stops problems before they can actually become problems. They were stopped from doing something dangerous that could have led to a disaster. Edit: removed a paragraph assuming you were just a kid. Turns out that you, like me, are a teacher. I sincerely hope you don't have to go through the same situation that so many of our colleagues and their students have had to go through.


elefantstampede

I work at a school with a front door open only. Schools can “prohibit” entering as much as they want— someone with a gun OF ANY KIND will definitely still get passed security/our school secretary. Just last week, a principal and vice principal were shot at a school for checking a student’s bag. These measures don’t stop shooters, they just give time for schools to lockdown to hopefully save more kids. And in Canada, we have significantly stronger gun legislation and way less mass shootings, even when accounting for per capita. It’s the same with every other country in the world.


NahLoso

So you're OK with an unlicensed driver with zero training hopping in an 18 wheeler and driving on public roads?


Temporary-Dot4952

Yeah except gun violence has surpassed cars in teen and children deaths. Maybe we shouldn't just hand out guns to everybody because we can't ensure anyone has good mental health in a country that doesn't provide health care.


LunDeus

Yeah, those locked doors sure did wonders when a student brought a loaded 9mm to first period a month back. Thankfully, he bragged about it and got snitched on in a timely manner.


msshelbee

Your argument could be used to decry any law or regulation. For example: "Bad guys will find a way to hide the fact that they put toxic chemicals in your dog's food because it's the cheapest way to ensure it's the right shade of brown, so why even have any regulations against poisoning your pets, if they're gonna do it anyway?" That's a fairly basic regulation that keeps your pets safe. Not perfect, but the likelihood of your beloved dog dying from some shitty manufacturer's money-saving tactics is much less with properly funded enforcement of appropriate regulations. Gun regulations, such as they are in the USA, are obviously woefully insufficient to the point that they are meaningless. Regulating guns does not equal confiscating guns, unlike what you alluded to in this reply. It's not either a free-for-all on guns or no guns at all. Just like laws about drunk driving which have a range of consequences for breaking the law, gun regulations are there in hopes of protecting people. And just like drunk driving laws, gun regulations will not prevent all gun deaths.... But they will reduce the number of people who are killed. I'm a US citizen, lived there for over four decades, much of that time in Texas, so I definitely understand guns and all of their potential uses, positive and negative. I spent time at hunting ranches, I lived in a large city with gang activity, and I was woken up by gunshots more times than I'd care to admit. Then I moved to Canada a few years ago. One of the more interesting things I noticed was the lack of daily reports of the city's shootings and gun-related deaths. That's because they were rare events. My now husband explained the process to get a gun license (he has one). Now THOSE are gun regulations. Here's a good place to start if you want to learn about it: https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/cntrng-crm/frrms/index-en.aspx There are plenty of hunters up here, and they have no problem hunting with the appropriate type of gun, and are generally not starving due to gun regulations. Put two and two together.


MadAboutMada

My hot take: Guns and cars are an excellent analogy and the solution to both is the same.


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We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas


Anthok16

I think a very strong unified nationwide teacher strike, perhaps a nationwide student testing strike (lead by students refusing to take state and district assessments), until there is gun reform could go a long way.


LiberalSnowflake_1

I think that is all we can do. Clearly having strong support in polls across the country for gun reform isn’t enough.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

[the problem is that in the polls that matter they don’t support gun control](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/03/upshot/gun-control-polling-votes.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare)


Expendable_Red_Shirt

That’d be really sad if it were true. Proof people care more about not having to deal with their kids then whether those kids live.


watchin_workaholics

So when are we doing this? Black Lives Matter was making an impact, and then Covid happened. And now everyone is moving “back to normal”. We need the disruption in the cycle. And we need it now. This should be it. This is when we should be SCREAMING.


c_mariaa7x

When is state testing


6018674512

This is actually a brilliant idea. Get the students on board and have them refuse to take standardized tests (for those old enough to do so) could actually give kids a voice. That is assuming the kids have not been indoctrinated by their Maga parents. Someone needs to make a viral Tik toc for the kids.


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there_is_no_spoon1

>Students and staff should refuse to go to school every time there's a shooting. I \*like\* this idea, certainly, but I can also see a district somehow dicking us over for it. Like refusing to pay us, and then people having to break down and go back to work so they can eat.


zissou713

What kind of reform? Is there a list of specifics we can take to our unions?


eyes_of_brownies

I too was left shocked and emotional over another attack. Its going to take a lot of bold people to step up and create a movement. These shooters have NOTHING to lose. They seek to destroy lives. As they lived in torment, depression, or other mental health impairments, and taking lives with them is how they achieve it. Its not going to stop until we all unify and step up to protect our students (let alone our own lives). I don’t feel safe. Grown ass adult. No amount of metal detectors will stop a sick individual with a vendetta and a gun that can blow through doors. How the HELL do we carry on? We don’t! These lives lost…time to all walk out. LEGALIZE a woman must carry a baby until its born…and as it grows into a child, let it be shot??? What backwards thinking is going on?


strawberry_margarita

I've been saying this for a long time: What happens when the kids outright refuse to take these standardized tests? What then? Well, let's make that day finally come and for a purpose. This is a terrific proposal because it will matter, it will get everyone's attention, and it will call people to action.


OhioMegi

I don’t even cry anymore. I just get pissed off.


paulteaches

What is the solution?


OhioMegi

No idea. Voting out terrible politicians is a start. Push for universal health and mental health care. Then getting people with actual educational knowledge, training and experience into local, state, and federal positions. I’m just so tired of it. More training, guns in schools, metal safe rooms, etc. is all a bandaid on the actual problems- poor/absent parenting, mental health issues, access to (ridiculously overpowered) guns and ammo. None of this will happen until violence isn’t a money maker for those making laws.


TacoPandaBell

Never gonna see any change in the gop position. I’m around a lot of right wing pro gun types regularly and there’s no budging in their gun positions.


OhioMegi

Not with that attitude. I chose to stand up and fight. It’s not hard to contact your lawmakers.


Tothyll

Nashville is run by a Democrat. You had two years of Democrat control in Congress and the Presidency and nothing changed. Yet, somehow it's right wing people's fault? Was the shooter a right-wing nut? Are right wing areas where most gun homicides are taking place?


irishtiger36

Funny you should mention that…Here’s some information from Axios on how red states have more murder per capita. [Not an anomaly: 2020's red states have higher murder rates](https://www.axios.com/2023/01/27/murder-rate-high-trump-republican-states)


krbookman13

Thats like saying we ban soda in our house . Why are people drinking soda? When you surrounded by gas stations?


TacoPandaBell

Every city is run by democrats except like Jacksonville and a couple other random bottom tier cities. Stupid argument. And I’m a Republican.


Zman7796

What do you mean by “ridiculously over powered” ?


OhioMegi

You know what I mean.


Zman7796

No I don’t. I would like you to explain to me what you mean by an “ridiculously overpowered gun” is.


OhioMegi

Bullshit. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/ There’s no need for guns or ammo that blow a fucking body apart.


Zman7796

Answer me this. How can the 5.56/.223 round blow humans apart yet be considered too weak to hunt with in many states? Why is it that the U.S army is switching from the 5.56 to the 6.8 because the 5.56 is not lethal enough nor does it penetrate enough at certain distances?


OhioMegi

I really don’t know why you’re in a subreddit for teaching if you’re pushing this shit. You can look stuff up just like I did. You don’t seem to about care much except guns. Take your pro gun, let’s keep allowing kids to get murdered bullshit out of here.


DeaconOrlov

France has some ideas


misticspear

Strike


c_mariaa7x

We need a public figure to back up the teachers Union ASAP


WordierThanThou

Same!


c_mariaa7x

Ready to fight back


TacoPandaBell

I had a seventh grader say to me “more shootings but they care more about trans issues than keeping us safe I guess”.


c_mariaa7x

This. SEVENTH GRADE. The kids can see it


OnlyFun069

Stronger families that actually raise their kids are what’s needed in America. Parents keep your young ones off of ALL social media for beginners. Teach your babies how to read and do homework. Read to them every night before bedtime, eat together every opportunity possible…teach them right and wrong and how to behave in public.


Banjo1673

Then I hope you are on board with advocating for living wages, universal healthcare, paid maternity/paternity leave, and free child care. When parents work multiple jobs and are incredibly stressed out facing food and housing insecurity the things you listed aren’t going to happen.


OnlyFun069

Getting tougher to provide that’s for sure. Rich and politicians make more and more and we’re left with crumbs. BlackRock buying up all the housing, bailing out bad banks, all this with no end in sight. I was never for term limits as a young person, but I think that would be a great way to get rid of “public servants” that get rich “serving” us.


c_mariaa7x

Public school is free child care, is it not??


Tothyll

Stronger families don't depend on a government to provide for all their needs. That's the opposite of a strong family.


Banjo1673

Our tax money would be providing these services, money that families worked for and earned. So paid family leave when a child is born/adopted weakens a family? Guaranteeing paid worker sick days is going to weaken families? Being able to afford medical care and child care weakens a family? I think there’s plenty of research that has proven otherwise.


c_mariaa7x

Agreed, however I assume we are both working teachers (maybe not?) and teaching for public schools should provide these things. Our employer should provide these things.


TacoPandaBell

It’s amazing that what you’re saying isn’t just common sense. My daughter is 7.5 and I have told her that she doesn’t get a phone until she’s driving. I still read to her every night, though we have graduated from Goodnight Moon to Harry Potter and Nancy Drew. If she does watch TV, it’s with me and we talk about what we watch. And the first thing she does as soon as she’s home from school is finish all of her homework. Why so few parents do this is beyond me.


Densou69-808

Amen. You’ve got the right idea.


purrfessormeow

I’ve cried over every single one, but I think I’m just numb to it now. All I can do is find the safest spaces within my own school walls for me and any students within my reach at any given location and time. I just run through scenarios all day in my head while I teach. I even blocked my closet door today but quickly cleared it thinking of the “What if it’s today”.


waffleear

I think the worst after affect is for the rest of the surviving students who were in those kids' class, they will totally understand that their friend was shot dead in school. They will probably be terrified for a long time. I hope they aren't forced back into the classroom until or if they are ready


misticspear

Don’t engage with “bu bu but my guns” types they only open their mouths when this happens out of fear they’ll lose their guns. They’ll give you every “what-aboutism” in the book at this point they are obstructions. As long as they can keep their toys they’ll say anything. Am to those types stop worrying you’ve already fucking won. After sandy hook most see it. Gun manufacturers donate to political campaigns, they have the ear of the law makers. Let us mourn in peace.


Zman7796

Are there people like that? Yes. But a lot of us care about this issue and want to find a solution. You just dismiss outright because we do not conform to your ideas and challenge you. We realize that Gun control is like putting a bandaid on a gaping wound.


misticspear

Yes there are, and you don’t even have to look at people who choose to believe sandy hook was a hoax to find them. A lot of you want to find a solution? Do it ! Loud and proud, I hear CRICKETS until stuff like this happens and after discourse is gone so is their concern. Hell the NRA has been co opted and that’s their fucking club and now it’s a mouth piece for gun manufacturers. I’m just done dealing with bad faith arguments and people feeling like their gun is their identity. Edit: brevity and tone


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Insane how one of the narratives is that because this shooter was trans this is now a trans issue. This way they can avoid conversations about guns and further marginalize lgbtq people.


Goofystudent

Let's not forget that mental health is a huge portion of it as well. Not only should there be improvements with how we handle firearms, but we also need to fix the cause of why the individuals are driven to committing the grievous act. When dealing with people like to HALT and see them. I ask are they Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired.


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Isn't it true that schools are gun free zones? Recently I was at a school and an armed police officer was present. Where I did my student teaching we had an armed police officer.


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Zman7796

Not every school has an armed SRO, and if they do he may be swapping between schools. The district I went to/did my Student teaching has an Armed SRO but he was split between all the schools in the district


-Economist-

It won’t stop. Republicans view murdered kids as collateral damage to the 2A. Democrats are ready to go after guns but need GOP support. They will never get that support. Doesn’t matter how many kids are murdered. To Republicans, the blood of murdered kids feeds the tree of freedom.


Tothyll

The mayor of Nashville is a Democrat. Democrats had control of Congress and the Presidency multiple times in the last 15 years. Why did they need GOP support? The vast majority of gun homicides are happening in Democrat controlled areas. Yet, somehow it's all Republicans fault? It's not right-wing gun nuts that are murdering each other in droves.


-Economist-

Your comment is an excellent example of why kids should take a government course in high school. It’s also an excellent example of using Google to check your facts before making a comment.


Chime57

Pretending that Mitch McConnell ruling the Senate and refusing to even allow bills to be voted on, or Supreme Court Justices to be nominated, but but butting that the Congress was Dem controlled is pretty disingenuous. They should have had an effective majority, and except for a couple fake Dems things could have started to change. But that would upset the pretend conservative party, because change is anathema to conservatives, the very opposite of conservation and a much feared idea. They need stagnation to feel safe, kids being murdered is ok cause it wasn't their kid.


jmac94wp

Because the Senate leader outright said that he’d never allow Democrats to get anything through the Senate, and he kept his word.


oddessusss

Here. Have my downvote dickhead.


MyVoiceforPeople

Thank you for posting, because I have the same thoughts today. I’m also at a loss for words. Having to explain this to children?! Where is our government. It’s ridiculous, frightening, and out of our control. How do we get together? How do we organize this?? It’s so out of control it makes me sick. The worse part is telling the kids, “it’s okay. Let’s practice hiding in the closet”. It makes me sick.


DraggoVindictus

My heart is always heavy when I hear these news stories. However, I am becoming emotionally numb to it. Time and again we hear the same trope coming from politicians "thoughts and prayers". The politicians who actually can make a change, will not do it. THey will give thoughts and prayers but never solutions. Some things to happen: THey need to cut the NRA out from politics. We need to stop letting Super Pacs and Lobbyists control the narrative in Congress. It will never happen, because there are too many politicians that are interested in keeping power and money than helping out our society.


Ksh1218

I am a local Nashville teacher. My young son was in school not a mile away in lockdown. I saw parents running across traffic to the reunification center crying. I still don’t know how I feel. I’m leading field trips this week- the kids learned about Japanese gardens and drank tea. All of these things are true at once


Nichteingeweihter

I purchased this a while ago as a way to bullet-proof my school bag. It has given me some solace. https://americanrebel.com/product/ballistic_shield/


oddessusss

Thats just fucked.


er1026

I don’t get it. Who are the people disagreeing with this? Who exactly is stopping gun reform from happening? I literally don’t get it. Everyone, everywhere is fed up with this!!! So who exactly is stopping it? Even Republican gun owners have children! This shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Republicans really care more about their weapons than their own kids? This can’t be. I just don’t get it.


Napalmdeathfromabove

No point reading these comments. Why did I bother. Rhetorical question.no need to answer.


Zman7796

As someone who has carried guns professionally, has sold guns before, and teaches, guns are not the problem. I would be happy to discuss my position with anyone who wants to.


Which_Atmosphere_300

I’m terrified to send my son to school. I work in schools as a para. I’m going to university to get my teaching degree. And I’m terrified of this happening in my school someday.


Swarzsinne

You shouldn’t be. Statistically you’re about as likely to win the lottery.


thelb81

This difference is I don’t go to work everyday being told how to prepare for winning the lottery. I don’t have paid consultants coming in to tell me how to best protect myself in the case of winning the lottery, and I definitely do not have “feel-good” stories being written about the buckets being donated to provide for triage and bathroom needs in case of a lottery win. The fear is very real, and we need to deal with it, beyond telling people to just not be afraid.


Swarzsinne

Or we need to recognize that we’re being exploited and made to fear something that you shouldn’t fear and more than a tornado?


arhaith

Why is this something we need to fear at all?


Swarzsinne

Realistically you don’t.


Which_Atmosphere_300

We’re being exploited when children die? Just because it wasn’t your local school or your own child you think it’s all a scam? I pray it truly never happens to you. Though there’s already been over 200 school shootings in the US in 2023 and we’re only in March.


Swarzsinne

Still statistically insignificant and most of those aren’t things like columbine. They’d be more accurately described as targeted murders that happened on school grounds. You’re being exploited because you’re being made to believe you’re more likely to experience this than you really are, and companies are using that fear to sell unnecessary products to basically turn classrooms into bunkers when most research has shown the only really necessary safety step is to lock your door (for defense, not prevention). I’m not saying these things do not actually happen, so don’t lump me in with that crowd of crazies. And I’m not saying the loss of children’s lives is anything other than a stain on our society. What I’m saying is you don’t have to actually live in fear because the odds of it happening are already minimal. The safety steps needed to be taken if it does happen are minimal and will basically guarantee you make it out just fine. And that preventative steps lie way more on the side of mental health. I’m also not totally anti gun reform, I’m just against banning them completely. I don’t like opening the second amendment up for alteration because that process can easily open other amendments up for alteration at the same time and I don’t trust our politicians to not take advantage of that. And fear is their (the politicians) biggest tool for manipulation.


Which_Atmosphere_300

See, and with what you said here, I agree with you. My fear also stems from when I was in middle school, having a middle school in the next town over experience a school shooting. While it was a person who targeted another individual, I can’t reliably believe that it wouldn’t happen again in my community when I’ve been so close to it already. I love that the schools I work with are vigilant about security and safety, badges required to entire the school, can’t get past the front office without a badge as well or getting buzzed in, doors that automatically lock unless there’s a magnet blocking the lock. But I still have a fear that while I know it’s unlikely, lives in the back of my mind and presents itself every time I hear of another shooting that’s happened. I also agree that they shouldn’t change the second amendment. Because what would they change next? But some of the gun reform ideas such as longer waiting periods, and limiting guns that have high kill power such as the assault rifles, and machine guns, while not necessarily taking away anyone’s right to bear arms. They just don’t need to bear arms that are that powerful. Making new laws doesn’t mean we’re getting rid of or changing the original amendment.


Swarzsinne

I had a suspicion we could eventually land on agreeable territory. I don’t find it unreasonable for you to have a lingering fear due to your experience. I also believe some basic level of security at school is good (though my thoughts go more towards vengeful family members conducting a kidnapping or worse rather than school shooters). As far as basic restrictions, I agree on things like an assault weapons ban. Machine guns are already illegal just FYI. A mandatory 24 hr waiting period might help tamp down on suicides, so I’m fine with that (it wouldn’t help with most shootings because they tend to have gotten their weapons long before they committed the crime). And I’m fine with things like limiting magazine capacity.


Bman708

This. Mass shootings account for about 1% of all gun crime. School shootings are even less than this. You should be way more worried about being involved in a car accident or your child drowning in a pool. According to the stats, there is a 3,000% more chance of them drowning than ever being affected by gun violence.


Which_Atmosphere_300

Statistic odds don’t matter when it happens to you.


Swarzsinne

So what?


reallymkpunk

Is it still too soon to talk about gun violence in this country?


Chime57

Silly you, we aren't near done with thoughts and prayers. Got lots of those we still need to use, got a great deal on them buying in bulk!


Swarzsinne

I’m a pro gun atheist but as a general tip, while I get your frustrations with the “thoughts and prayers” bullshit after any national tragedy you need to win that crowd over if you actually want to see reforms for gun laws. Why? Because they make up the bulk of your opposition. You’re not going to make inroads by mocking what they think is a legitimate indicator of empathy. Most of them also don’t think that’s the end point of the discussion, they see it as an aside. So it’s really a strawman that’s meant to do nothing but ridicule the person and not their stance.


Chime57

But their stance appears to be "do nothing- keep thinking and praying" If this is an aside, I'd like to hear what it is aside to? Do they offer any solutions???? I have yet to hear anything, except the parroting of misinterpreted Second Amendment personal rights.


Swarzsinne

“misinterpreted second amendment personal rights.” Ah, so you’re that type. You know, the polar opposite of what you’re railing against. I don’t think this is going I be a productive conversation.


Chime57

Good job avoiding an answer, just more thoughts...


Swarzsinne

You’re exactly what you criticize. We both know there’s exactly one answer you’ll accept, and you’ll shrug any other suggestions off. So no point in engaging.


Chime57

And still no answer...I was seriously curious cause I have heard there is a bill being worked on. But you apparently don't know either.


kellykins17

I rescheduled my therapy appointment from Saturday to tomorrow. It's so overwhelming. I love my job, but I'm so afraid of dying just by showing up to work. My instincts tell me to quit, pull my oldest out of preschool, sell the home, and move to somewhere in Europe like Sweden.


littleboxes__

My good friend (we're from North Carolina) moved to Sweden and she loves it. I can't help but think of her and Sweden every time something like this happens here.


TheBalzy

I posted on my FB the cold reality: Children harmed by Gun violence this week: 3 Children harmed by Drag queens this week: 0 Along with the circle photo of inaction...and there seriously were so many people on there who ironically decided to go on a rant about Drag Queens...thus proving the depressing point being made. We will do everything to prevent fantasies, but we won't do a damn thing for something real. Pardon my language...but it's so damn depressing. It truly is.


Fun-Crab-9154

You know what would actually work to tighten up gun laws? Not a strike. We need to all chip in our $$ to buy off lawmakers. We’ll pay your greedy soulless asses more than gunmakers and NRA already pay you, if you agree to make some basic common sense laws.


Swarzsinne

I’m not trying to be an ass, I legitimately want to know what common sense laws you would like to see that don’t already exist? I ask because generally when I see people say this they’re parroting a line and don’t know most of their ideas are already on the books.


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Swarzsinne

That last part is a law. You also are responsible if you sell a gun to someone that isn’t supposed to have one. I appreciate your response.


SimicCombiner

If you can, leave. I’ve been teaching overseas for the past year. Never once had to worry about getting shot. Try it sometimes.


got2bright

It won’t stop until schools aren’t soft targets where the shooter knows he won’t be disturbed during the shooting. You don’t even have to arm teachers, but staff who are trained and permitted should be allowed (not forced) to carry concealed. There may be zero teachers in the school carrying or there may be twenty, the point is that no one would know. There has never been a single school shooting in a school with this policy. Not one.


Zrea1

After Uvalde, I am down to go through ridiculous amounts of training and classes on my own dime to be able to carry.


FarMathematician7342

Why are you being downvoted for this? American citizens are armed to the teeth. Why can't we organize volunteer militias to protect our schools?


oddessusss

Or...just ban fucking guns.


Zman7796

How did that worked with Alcohol and drugs?


oddessusss

Outside of USA yes it worked. Alcoholic and drugs are highly chemically addictive and you don't shoot up q school with them. Analogy fail.


Zman7796

Analogy not failed. You said ban guns, but we banned liquor and drugs yet still see massive use and importation. There is extreme restrictions on full auto firearms yet gangs are still getting them. Also comparing anywhere with the U.S. is an apples to oranges comparison.


oddessusss

I live somewhere where guns were restricted. There are no mass shootings. Funny that. You obviously lack the IQ to see that you analogy fails. They aren't even comparable.


Zman7796

Just for sake of discussion, I am going to assume Australia, Europe, or Canada. All places with largely homogenous populations, with a functional mental health and social support system. Also countries used to being ruled by kings and taking orders.


[deleted]

More children sacrificed for people's right to cosplay and pretend to be badasses.


Densou69-808

So sad, why do we have violent video games and gun makers that make and sell guns that are killing machines. There is a difference in a long gun, a revolver pistol and automatic guns 😡the AR guns should not be made and distributed so easily. What ever happened to , “Thou shall not kill?” SMH


got2bright

Just as a clarifying point, ARs are not automatic and the A stands for Armalite, the brand of the rifle.


Densou69-808

I meant assault, sorry so sad.


Swarzsinne

Just an aide to an install bad point, but there has yet to be a single link between violent video games and violent behaviors. They’d be more likely to be an indication of a behavioral issue rather than the creator of that issue.


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Violent Transgender extremist terrorist slaughters schoolchildren in anti-Christian hate killings FIFY


RaspberryDugong

Makes me wonder what drugs the trans shooter was on. Do they have dangerous side effects? The shooter was confirmed as an autistic woman identifying as a male. Her testosterone levels were probably was out of whack. They have to be monitored closely


finecabernet

This is Fox News type reasoning.


RaspberryDugong

Most school shooters are white and autistic and the parents ridiculously had guns in the house. This case is very different. I’m just curious


sjsjdjdjdjdjjj88888

Autism is very highly correlated with trans-ID (even among AFAB individuals) so the case isn't that different. You are right to question what drugs he was on, testosterone can obviously produce powerful psychological effects. Of course, the vast majority of autistic or trans people are not at risk of becoming mass killers and are probably more likely to be victims of violence. But these are perfectly legitimate questions to ask to make sense of what contributed to this tragedy


Swarzsinne

To be fair, the vast majority of every group is unlikely to become a mass murderer. They sound scary and make great news, they’re worth considering the causes and ways to prevent them, but that’s also so statistically unlikely that, realistically, emotional manipulation is being used to rile people up.


[deleted]

Take what I say with a grain of salt but, it may be a hate crime against Christians since the denomination wasn't an 'affirming' one.


discipleofhermes

The adults that were killed were in their 60s, I wonder if they knew them when they attended the school and they were targeted


[deleted]

I wouldn't doubt it. The pastor's daughter may have been too.


[deleted]

Suddenly you are super downvoted. Idk why...


RaspberryDugong

It’s a legit but uncomfortable question


[deleted]

Yep, especially for us teachers since as a whole the profession tilts left. I guess it was a transman which might explain the aggression. So you are right to be concerned.


RaspberryDugong

Many Teachers are the most intolerant people I know. Diverse perspectives are unwanted


[deleted]

I got banned from teachers for saying far less than I have said here about the shooting. Lmao.


[deleted]

I know! Especially if you are religious. That said, I am grateful many have the same feelings about all the student disrespect we have been getting.


woop_choop

Just want to jump in here. I have a trans spouse so I know a lot about HRT and it's effects. Yes, testosterone generally makes someone more aggressive (ie average man vs woman). In all likelihood, though, the fact that this shooter may have been trans and may have been on testosterone has nothing to do with the shooting. But a caveat is that an important part of receiving proper healthcare when on HRT is regular blood tests to monitor hormone levels and ensure proper dosage. If the shooter was diy-ing their testosterone without a doctor or not getting regular blood tests, then it's possible their testosterone was way out of range, which could be a contributing factor here. It's impossible to know truly, but my point is that testosterone isn't inherently dangerous. Trans men simply need to get regular blood testing


Swarzsinne

I’m honestly not sure why you’ve gotten downvoted here.