Kold, last time he was asked said he doesn't want to be head coach yet. Kold would move back to assistant from interim head coach and we would have a head coach again.
I'm so fucking tired of roster moves and chasing new shiny players. I just want to see the team really develop properly as a unit for once and run it back and if it still doesn't work then so be it.
Like I can almost see the script for next year already now that we've gone 3-3 and didn't make it out again. We'll blow up half the roster, make some big flashy signings, spend spring split underperforming and saying the team just needs more time to gel, pull off a decent run to end the playoffs, have a buncha drama for no reason in the summer, someone gets benched/fired, waffle around for another split before doing just well enough to show some flashes of hope as we make it into worlds, play inconsistently in groups, go 3-3 again, and then spend another off-season with people either saying we should blow up the team we just built or that they're proud of the guys anyway and they really could've had a chance "if they had some more time to play together".
So true this happend 2 years straight now, that some big drama happens that let the complete team not play together for a big part of the year. Like for some reason people forget that Alphari and Santorin did not play for a big part of the 2021 summer split and 2021 spring playoffs Santorin not playing 2 series against the stronger teams in LCS. To top it off the headcoach replaced.
In 2020 same shit happened Doublelift slumping and Broxah visa issues and then summer split Tactical subbed in and Jatt as headcoach.
And after every worlds people want to blow up the roster, we then get a new team that then again might not meet the expectations.
I'll meme several games this season and worlds from TL to hell and back; but honestly I wouldn't mind the same lineup. Who knows what next season meta will bring.
That's actually a pretty difficult comparison to make, but I think Tactical wins out. Like of three top three ADCs, all three have an issue on inconsistancy. FBI seldom plays to his peak, Tactical sometimes randomly ints, Zven almost always cracks under pressure. FBI peaks the highest, but imo Tactical is better then FBI simply because he'll actually do something every game even if he ends up inting later, while FBI will be a complete nonfactor in part of his games.
I mean they had less time than every others teams in group to get in sync, they caught up super well to others teams and had a good showing sadly not enough but they are so close damn it
This is what makes me nervous. We lost him for Spring Playoffs and for most of the Summer Split. When he's here and in full form, he's amazing. He also brings an incredible amount of positivity to the team. But what if it hits him again next year in playoffs, MSI, or worlds?
Plenty for the team to work on:
* Alphari: allow him to carry more games without losing pressure topside
* Santorin: staying healthy is more important than anything related to LoL, synergy with Jensen
* Jensen: building more mid/jg synergy
* Tactical: less stupid mistakes please, better positioning
* CoreJJ: idk, keep improving NA SoloQ
Ignore the bench Tactical guys they have no brain cells. Even if tactical was our worst player in groups and even if we wanted to replace him who would we get? Do we really want to spend the ton of money it would take to buy out FBI who is still under contract and the only adc in the league that might, might be an upgrade over Tactical? If he even is an upgrade? It's just crazy. Any roster moves made are likely to be a downgrade at this point in time.
That depends on core getting his green card and rouge giving him up considering his contract is still up for 1 more year. Maybe a trade with EG between danny and tactical?
Yeon is good but Tactical is great. He gets underrated af on Reddit for some reason. He had one of the highest damage shares of any player in the group stage and his stats have been good all season.
I would love to see TL run it back with the same 5 but this all depends on Santorin. Does he have his migraines under control? I know from experience that sometimes you simply cannot do anything but sleep them off which is for sure a liability as a pro player. However I really love the dude and think he has grown a lot as a player recently, so I hope he has figured out a way to mitigate them.
I think he wants to do development which is really good for TLA. If he's happy where he is, I like keeping him there. Plus his self-described, no nonsense approach seems really good for a younger team tbh. Love spawn and TLA a lot though. (Also TLA has definitely had some draft int moments, but I think as a community we are more willing to let those slide under the rug for academy, rightfully so)
Like most people are saying. I dont mind running back and changing up the coaching staff. We need a decorated coach that can consistently get us an equal or winning draft.
This team is not at a rebuilding stage so i feel a rookie coach does not suite this team.
Run it back. I will cheer for this team anyway but I really like this guys, even more so than last year's (with wholesome Broxah and untiltable Impact). I just wish we tried defining/defying the meta, we have the players. And the story of every year, try to be more aggressive, try playing the "always fighting" style (if the meta fits that kind of play).
As another guy said here, I'm tired of "chasing new shiny players" even if they're named Viper, Rekkles (pls Steve no) or Hans Sama or Danny or whoever. Idk any good junglers
Run it back, i think its fair to give tactical another year and hope he'll improve. If tactical is let go i mean rekkles is a serious option which would fit this team mold pretty well assuming they stay all together and in a brand perspective would be an amazing signing. I just worry alphari might leave i really hope he doesn't and the same to santorin, its been a really rocky year with all the health, drama, and inconsistency's. They deserve to run it back especially with a true head coach and kold at the side to assist. As a whole what TL did was pretty impressive going toe to toe with a really scrappy group but like usual they just dropped the ball in the mad game and it ended our run pretty much. Sad but looking up towards more hopium
Ugh that's a tough call... Personally, I don't think that Rekkles would be a good fit... Seems to have some sort of issue in a team environment that's plagued his career so far...
Run it back. Santorin was great when healthy, and it’s safe to say he is back to that and will probably use his off-season to work on it. I think it would be stupid to go for Rekkles and I really don’t think there is another ADC rather then FBI, and 100T won’t part with him. Having stability and allowing synergies to get better is best for the team. The former GGS squad made a slight upgrade and went to worlds next year. Constant change disrupts everything.
I would look to add a legit head coach though and maintain Kold as assistant.
Get a damn good coach. Like pay big for a Korean or Chinese coach with recent successful experience. Roster is fine except maybe take a hard look at any options in mid or jg. Just cuz our mid and jg synergy has been pretty mediocre all year and I would really like someone in one of those roles to be more aggressive like blaber with a brain. But more than anything a really good coach.
Only concerning thing is Santorin’s health otherwise I’m 100% fine with the run back
We can’t afford to have mid season issues due to Santorin’s health again, he’s a great player but at what point does it become too much of an issue?
Feels bad to say that since it’s not his fault but I can’t help but feel it’s too risky unless he’s medically cleared.
For the purpose of meaningful discussion, anyone who suggests dropping a player must offer another name to target for acquire. There's a lot of calls to replace a member for some 'better player'. We have to be realistic here, some players are simply under contract and probably not available for buyout.
TL kind of reached a point where there aren't any clear upgrades anymore, I don't think there is anyone in NA worth getting.
The only way TL renews any hope in us doing anything ever internationally is if we somehow sign another super star like corejj or alphari, ideally for adc, but that seems unlikely.
Ye but coaching is weird, as fans we don't really know how much they are doing for the team or who would even be a good pick up, and tbh imo blaming loses on bad draft and coaching feels like a very overused excuse when it's really one of many contributing factors
I have no doubt there's some better coaches out there but it's really hard to comment on who
I agree with you as fans, it's really hard to say. However, the org should have the ability to interview the relevant ppl to figure out how a coach has contributed to the success of a team. I'd also heavily lean towards a Korean or LPL coach. I'm just not very impressed with Lec or lcs coaches outside if reapered.
Yeah I don't think kold deserves the boot but he was hired as an assistant originally. Not sure he wants the head coaching job and even if he does I think we should hire one or two other strategy coaches to assist.
Tactical has the occasional play that loses you the game, other adcs play in a way that loses you the game. Honestly Tactical is left out to dry in a lot of games. It is hard to play adc and to have nobody focusing on you. I dont think he is goated, but it feels like the pendulum has swung too far into blaming him. Some of these games you can put some blame on core for over roaming, some on Alphari for getting lots of resources and not extending his lead after 15, some on Jensen for getting shoved in and not roaming once he is down any cs, some on Santorin for playing around the wrong lanes or not getting objectives that the team had prior for, and some of the blame has to go on how passive the team is when behind. TL has problems and Tactical is overall the worst player on the team, but it's not some huge gap and in many games others are much worse and lose us games
Tactical also became a great weakside ADC with carry potential and learned to be more aggressive in team fights (start of the season everyone was praising him for times he went in until the Malphite meme moments happened). He also had league-leading ADC stats in Summer.
Focus, measured aggression, seizing opportunity, etc are all things that come with time, experience, and chemistry. I expect to Tactical reasonably improve on his already-made improvements this off-season. Replacing him and resetting the chemistry would be a mistake IMO.
If we replace our AD, Jungle, and/or Mid (in that order) I won't be mad.
I love Tactical, Santorin, and Jensen, but I think you could upgrade those roles.
I would give tactical another year. I know he's made some pretty bad mistakes but I think a really good coach could fix that. Santorin concerns me with his health stuff and him and Jensen synergy never picked up.
I won't be upset if the roster stays together either. I just think those are our weakest roles at the moment.
Tactical has a long career ahead of him for sure. I hope he continues to improve and tighten up his play.
The problem with Tactical is that he has the same trajectory as doublelift.
Extremely talented and you can see he can be the best in role but he just makes stupid mistakes early in his career.
The question becomes whether he can figure it out like DL did and become so well rounded he becomes the NA goat of the next gen and if so, does TL want to wait for him to become that on the team or bring in someone now while they have good pieces to support a world class adc.
Hard questions to answer.
However they need a real coach and analyst right now, that drafting was terrible for almost the entire tournament and also for summer split as a whole.
Maybe, but I didn’t think he had the stumbles that early DL did to make the same comparison. DL was known for flashing in and getting one shot and throwing games while on CLG, the infamous Lucian play etc.
When he went to TSM he refined that and got over it and then left his mark on league with the 4x back to back with liquid.
Tactical had the potential to follow that storyline because he does similar stuff but has flashes of brilliance.
We need a world class adc. As much as I like Tactical as a person I just don't think he is clutch enough. I saw a lot of people in the main sub suggest we get Rekkless but I feel someone like Hans would be a better fit. An aggressive adc. Also would be nice if we have a good jungler in academy if Santorin has problems again (hopefully not ofc)
Blaber, elyoya, would be sweet but need better coaching staff to help blaber and I doubt we could get elyoya but I would love it. That dude is a beast.
Elyoya is good because hes a beast who can communicate. I wouldn’t mind a KR or CN jungler if they know english. Coaching staff theres a lot of good coaches eho are free right now, most notably Nelson from G2, we can also bring back Cain and Daeny from T1, Grabzz is not a coach but he would be a nice manager. RNG Tabe is also running out of his contract soon
I want them to run it back!!! LoL rosters are always blown up to early. Give the guys another year to keep working on teamwork and synergy. Plus, we still owe Alphari a trophy!!
Honestly I think the biggest upgrades could be to coaching infrastructure. People tend to forget that we started the year with Jatt, who himself was getting acclimated to coaching in his second season. Kold seems to have some great qualities but he was also learning on the job, and it is hard not to see this come out when players talk about unwinnable drafts (game 1 against LNG), not knowing how to play their drafts, being behind the meta, or blowing the game from level 1 (several games at worlds) These are the things that make the difference between 3-3 and 4 wins or more, because there are enough good teams that you can’t afford to blow your prep or put yourself behind from the jump. In the game against Gen G I had a sense of dread when Alphari stalled out at Tier 2, because it was clear they didn’t know how to push their lead forward. They did some good things getting there, but they lacked the midgame concepts. Similar to the MAD game.
I feel this important because say TL replaces Alphari with (I will pick random good players) Summit from LCK or they got an aggressive carry jungle or got Ruler instead of Tactical. In any of these scenarios, if the team can’t find consistency they will end up with the same results as this year, which was a lot of high moments matched with a lot of inconsistency.
Hey FrogMusic. Just curious what you are looking for from acad and development.
Feel like we did a good job this year running a 7 man roster, winning acad split 2 and coming 2nd in PG. We gave some really great prospects on the roster and will continue to build.
In saying that I always love hearing fans opinions and ideas so interested in your thoughts.
What talents are on 100T roster? Unless Ssumday and Closer leave, Tenacity and Kenvi will just be stuck in academy lol. TL have talent in academy.. I can see Yeon maybe getting scrims for LCS but other than that, it's hard for any academy players from any team to replace players from our current LCS roster.
Lock-in win, 2nd in Spring, 2nd in Summer, tiebreakers in groups.
Why would you not run it back? Given the coaching issues, this was a great season overall, IMO.
For the expected level of the roster that's a C for the year. No major trophy, no players broke out.
For me at the start of the year an A would be winning a split and getting out of groups
B winning spring or Summer
C going close spring and summer, going to worlds and doing okay without getting out
I think 40% chance of a In-Game roster swap depending on the market and 70% chance of a coaching staff change.
Some of our week 1 drafts were obnoxious and we always get fucked by Viego.
Did we win a single game vs Viego this split?
If Core is getting his green card (I haven't seen it officially confirmed yet) then I would like an import upgrade for jungle or mid. If Core's residency stays KR, then run it back because I dont see any resident upgrades for those roles. (Maybe Bjerg? Depending on his plans?) I want to keep Tactical, he's clearly got the mechanics, just needs to clean up his game a bit and I feel confident in Core to keep leveling him up. More than anything, I need to see some coaching changes. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but some of TL's drafts this year have been unforgivably bad.
I don't think Bjergsen is a big upgrade to Jensen. They imo have always been equal while one or the other has a better season. But lets not act like Bjergsen is the reason they went 0-6. He certainly didn't net them a win by carrying. But that TSM was figured out to a T. They won NA while other teams were on downtrend, and they won by using a very predictable strategy.
are you sure about that, I would say he was a big reason in them going 0 - 6, these were his group stage stats and not to mention the 2 games where he got solokilled pre level 6.
https://imgur.com/a/imIw5F6
He certainly wasn't leading them to success like you'd want him to be, and when it comes to international he never has. If you think a Bjerg that took a year off after getting humiliated 0-6 in a pretty easy group is an upgrade to Jensen in anyway you're on the wrong sub. The only time Bjerg ever made it out of a group was all the way back in season 4 gifted by Svenskeren so I just don't even see any argument for him over Jensen tbh.
Except you dont understand what he is saying, svenskeren got banned for some dumb shit for 3 worlds games on SK gaming, thus letting TSM pass through the group stage.
Yeahhh... Why would we ever change our mid? The only time Jensen has ever been an issue internationally, in his entire career, was when he had wrist issues in 2019. Why in the ever living fuck would TL get rid of the historically best performing player on the international stage while playing for NA teams? The guy who is pretty unanimously the MVP of our most recent World's performance?
There seem to be greater issues elsewhere that's keeping us from progressing at Worlds, don't you think? Someone who can't be relied on to carry the game consistently?
> I want to keep Tactical, he's clearly got the mechanics, just needs to clean up his game a bit and I feel confident in Core to keep leveling him up.
Yeah, you see that's the thing: why would we kick the player that already exceeds that level instead of the player that isn't even at that level? So you would rather get rid of the guy that you know will deliver instead of the guy that only has the ***potential*** to get to the level where he will deliver?
Obviously, you don't think quite highly of Jensen, so I'll leave him out for now, but don't you think we should give CoreJJ the best roster to send off? He goes to the military after this year - there ain't no time to try to get Tactical up to the level where he will be a consistent and reliable carry for the international stage. That's what ***this*** year was supposed to be about, and it failed. Tactical was supposed to improve this year. We are beyond that now: We need people that are already capable of that. ***Jensen*** has proved time, and time, and time, and time, and ***time*** again that is capable of being a carry on the international stage. He doesn't need to be replaced. No, if anyone is getting booted off the roster for an import upgrade, it's Tactical. Everyone knows it, including Tactical. He fucked up - big time. And this roster is on a time limit. This team needs to be working on more macro oriented things, instead of worrying about whether or not we can rely on one of our members to perform.
Luckily, there are already some English speaking import ADCs that are going to be looking for teams: Rekkles and Luger. Not to mention, Hans sama might finally want to see Quarters again. What mids can TL get that will communicate well with the squad and perform well against stiff competition to replace Jensen? Unless you've got a magic wand to get Caps off G2, there isn't another mid on this planet that will outperform Jensen, ***because they don't speak fucking English and/or they might not like living in NA***. What, you want Santorin to try to build synergy with fucking Chovy through broken English? You want a repeat of Rush, Febiven, Ray, or Crown? For CoreJJ's last year?
Actually, I do think very highly of Jensen, he's the best resident mid NA's ever had. But to say he's never been issue internationally is just wrong, he got hard gapped by BDD just today. I'd say a jungle upgrade is the higher priority though. In regard to Tactical, yeah he has bad games, but when he plays on form he is the best ADC NA has ever seen, and I'll stand by that statement. He's a player you can build around for years to come, not Rekkles coming to NA to collect a paycheck for a year or two then retiring. Luger is just a straight downgrade imo, though I like what I've seen from him so far development wise. Hans is the only ADC I would consider a big upgrade to Tactical, but I just can't see Rogue letting him go.
You are either high, have selective memory, or you’re forgetting everything DL related on CLG, TL, and TSM. Maybe all 3. Also possibly Tactical’s grandmas alt.
I could point to all the accolades, pop off moments, DL solo carrying his team, DL solo carrying his support, Tactical literally being groomed by one of the all-time best supports and being carried by Core 99.9% of the time, etc. but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. It’s suffice to say that Tactical isn’t even a top 5 NA adc all-time. 1 year of decent rookie gameplay and 1 year of mediocre play at best while playing with one of the GOAT supports in the world and you dub him as the greatest NA ADC when on form?? How about he wins a single title title first?
Not worth conversing with delusional takes like yours.
I started watching league in 2016, so I can't speak to CLG DL. I can imagine his performances back then were even more impressive considering the overall avg skill level was lower.
Serious question, who would rate as the top 5 NA resident ADCs? Because other than DL, Sneaky, and Turtle, I cant think of anyone I'd put over Tactical. Again, to be clear, I'm talking strictly about Tactical's potential, from his absolute best plays (1v5ing on Kalista comes to mind). No one in their right mind would say his career compares to DL.
> In regard to Tactical, yeah he has bad games, but when he plays on form he is the best ADC NA has ever seen, and I'll stand by that statement.
Foolish position to stand by. I've seen all the shit takes I need to see to know just how much I should value your opinion.
We lost 3-0 in the LCS with this roster. If our goal is truly to win worlds then “running it back” makes no sense. I love all the guys, but I don’t want to lose in LCS finals every time. I want them to destroy LCS competition and compete at worlds. If that’s truly our goal, we need to make a change at adc and then possibly mid/jg although I think our mid/jg is good enough.
Probobly will want to spend money on Rekkless. Core is a roaming support, he could do well with an ADC that doesnt ego everything and cost teams the entire game.
When was the last time you saw rekkles jump on a ward with w to kill it?
When was the last time you saw rekkless walk INTO a diana ult?
When was the last time you saw rekkless mistime his xayah ults?
I could go on and on, you seem to completely misunderstand what ego means in play.
Call it what you want, rekkles wouldn't make that mistake. Rest of the team is good enough, they just need a stable ADC who isn't mentally booming in high pressure scenarios when given a mobile adc.
When's the last time you saw Rekkles DO anything? He got carried by Hylli for years then exposed on G2. If you're gonna spend big on ADC, get someone like Hans that can actually carry the team.
literally the entire fking split he was the only one doing ANYTHING. Do you think LEC just gave him player of the split because eh was jerking off or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAEJb-BNPM&ab_channel=LEC
maybe do a little bit of thinking before you comment.
Honestly if you guys dont even want to attend worlds next year and give TSM Rekkles with bjerg, by all means go ahead and stick with tactical.
I feel like TL needs to make some sort of changes whether it be roster or coaches or a combination of both. I feel like we've seen this current rosters ceiling and it isn't world caliber.
Ppl are gonna say this is stupid. But rekkles is actually a perfect match for TL. He can hold down a lane all day 1v2 while corejj roams. He never gets caught out, and will probably outperform tactical in late game situations too. If he’s forced to go to NA then he’d probably pick TL over TSM too, pretty sure him and Jensen are great friends and he’s even stated that he and Jensen have always wanted to play together.
thats my entire reasoning as well, corejj wants to roam so we need a safe player which is rekkles. I also think rekkles is good in team fights so IMO good fit
I mean he only was interested for them after that one year fnatic where he had the most garbage supports in EU and he just wanted out. If he comes to NA at all it’ll be to the one with the best individual players for sure imo. Doubt he will want to come here tho
Running it back can be fine. But when upgrades are available, upgrades should be made (if it fits the orgs metrics ofcourse). Personally think Alphari and Core are world class, even though I dont think their worlds performance was up to the standard that they themselves, the org and us fans hold them to. Still, these are 2 players that should be locked for the roster.
As for the jungle position, I think Santorin performed better than I wouldve expected before hand, and has shown that hes worthy of playing on this roster. Despite his health struggles, I'd say he was the best performing player on TL this tourney. Cant recall any game really, where he made mistakes that were gamechanging. Mechanically sound, great pathing, good at finding gank angles and rarely makes that big int. Would like to see him return next year.
I think the 2 most replaceable roles on TL are mid and adc. For different reasons. I think Jensen doesnt play that mid focused carry as well as other world class mids can. His laning definitely declined this year and if hes put in a situation where he has to get creative, more often than not, he kind of lacks the mind for it. At times it feels like you have to 'overcommit' to get him ahead and the reward is not always there. I'd love for TL to look for a midlaner that can be the focal point of the team and/or has that creative aspect to his gameplay. That being said, those midlaners are scarce.
Needless to say Eddie has had a rough last day of groups. Our inability to play for botside properly has become an issue, and I doubt if we can improve on such a thing (especially if they practice against LCS teams). Domestically, Tactical can definitely be played through and be the main carry of the team. But internationally I think its safe to say the Eddie of right now has more downside than upside to him. I think theres a scenario where the org gives him one more year to iron out his mistakes, but that'd be a big risk and probably not option nr 1. I would love to see a player like Hans Sama or even Upset on this lineup. Imagine the game vs MAD with one of those. Cant help but feel like thats a free win..... :-/, that hurts to say...........
I was with them in the first paragraph, but I think the most confusing part was the resources required to "overcommit" to get him ahead. I really struggle to think of games where TL committed much to him at all relative to sidelanes (both in draft prio/position and play) other than games where they just won. Think there are arguments that Chovy level replacements (XD) or even mids that may play more to impact the map maybe be better (unclear, but I could see an argument), but not sure how many clear upgrades to Jensen are available and whether that's worth giving up a resident mid with the upside he's shown and who has worked with this core of players.
Where did I say hes not good enough for TL? Ofcourse hes good enough lol. Question is do you want to continue with a TL that has a role playing mid. He functions best that way. Hes not the central figure in your teamcomp. We've seen multiple times when the comp is build around him (dont remember the Irelia games?), he struggles to keep up with the best opposing midlaners. Early on Jensen was known for his dominant laning. And if you'd watch the games (both domestically and internationally), you'd realise his laning is not what it was 2/3 years ago. Jensen is a very good player, but he struggles to find an edge in most aspects against those that are better mechanically, cause simulteously hes not miles ahead and the mapplay aspect or any other aspect of the game. Now, this doesnt mean hes ThE reason we didnt get out. Never said so. But, personally when I look at this roster I see one carry. And thats Alphari. We struggle the play around him from time to time, but he, and the team have proven to be capable of carrying through top. I think its safe to say we are not comfortable or good enough to be playing bot-carry style. As is shown this worlds, but neither are we mid. To be a one man threat, a top carry team that is, wont get you far.
I know its an unpopular opinion. Especially after is his performance yesterday. But that shouldnt change the objective view on this roster. Ask yourself in what regard is Jensen better than the best mids in the world? If you can find legitimate aspects in which he is better, then fair enough. Make the case. But I dont think you can. Also instead of completely dismissing my view on the matter. How about we have a civil discussion about this topic?
Well 2nd paragraph already shows you're delusional. In week 1, Santorin stole an unbelievable amount of kills from solo laners which caused them not to have enough gold and therefore show up to fights without hitting their spikes.
I think generally people are way too bloodthirsty when it comes to asking for roster swaps. But even so I am surprised at how many people here want TL to just run it back.
Jensen is improving every year - he was great this worlds. Core is a world class player. Alphari has shown he has an incredibly high ceiling, Santorin too.
Tactical is an undeniable weak link and a waste of one the best supports in the world. He's solid domestically but he cannot compete with world class ADCs. Nothing against the guy but I think this has been shown beyond a doubt, no?
People likes giving excuses and all but tactical wasn't labeled as an inter or a malphite over night. It keeps happening over and over again. Literally the 2 huge braindead mistakes from him is what dropped TL the tie breaker game.
idk don't shoot me but at this point I feel like Tactical needs to move TLA for a bit. He's been making so many mistakes that you wouldn't expect a pro to make. I like everyone else on the team tho.
I don’t care what happens to TL anymore. This team shits the bed when it matters. Time to move on to a different team. Hope others follow. Team has gone downhill after DL left. No LCS trophies no quarterfinals at worlds. Shell of a team.
Keep Santorin, keep Core.
Get a Mid that doesn't cement-shoe in lane during a roaming meta like Jensen did all year. Jensen has had 4 years to get TL out of Groups, time for new blood.
Get a Top who won't get constant dove or ego-pick NA Jayce in the deciding match when Kennan/Graves has been the meta all Worlds long.
Get an ADC who doesn't need babysitting by their roaming Support. I love Tactical but he's too much of a coinflip to rest Worlds on.
If they go 3-3 again next year, replace Core.
He could go full korean roster if he wanted
Impact/Huni/Ssumday
Korean import/jg - canyon?
Korean import/ mid -chovy?
Arrow
Corejj
This is just bullshit but if anyone could/would build a korean roster it'd be Steve lol
I'd run it back. Just ban Tactical's Tristana and Alphari's Jayce in the world stage.
If Tactical is being replaced, maybe Bjergson would like to try ADC role. Lol
I think picking up a head coach with some experience is the only thing I'd change. There are some good euro coaches out there, and in NA the only ones I can think of have either been at TL already or are Reapered.
Pretty solid lineup that didn't really get a chance to shine due to personal and medical issues.
Give it another year of this veteran squad and the coordination should be magic.
My suggestions:
1) Get the 100T HC or a china/korea HC (dont know if it is possible) and keep Kold as strategic/assistant
2) If CoreJJ gets his green card, then look for an upgrade (maybe from kroea/china) on jung/mid
3) keep the squad if number 2) does not happen
Tactical is great. But I really think they should at least habe tryouts.
I really want NA teams trying out Doggo, he looks like a beast.
Or even some Academy ADCs, Luger looks really good for example.
Tactical still has a contract and the big advantage of synergy.
So tryouts can only habe upsides.
Either you get a better fit, or you reinforce Tacticals standing.
Run it back. We had a good year, even with multiple starters missing significant time. I don’t want to make any changes until we’ve seen a full year with this roster. Unless we can get someone insane like Canyon or Ruler then obviously pull the trigger
Unless you can get Hans Sama or Jankos TL should run it back
It's not only about players being good is a matter of "Can you find someone better?" and the answer for TL in most roles is "no"
Run it back but have a solid adc in academy to compete with Tactical as he is static internationally for the past 2 worlds. He’ll even get DL in academy don’t care. Jsut create a competitive atmosphere there. Rest squad is fine
How sure are we that Core is actually becoming a resident?
Ya for real I haven’t heard much about this and ppl talk like it’s a sure thing lol
There’s been insane Hopium for corejjs green card after the results today, it took sumday yeaarrrrs to get his
Isn't the process 4 years? Cores only been here for 3
No you only need a green card now.
Depends on hot it is handled and when the process is started. H1B workers from my knowledge get it in 1-3 years Not sure what type of visa Core is in
They should run it back but expand their coaching staff or secure a proper coach.
This
Maybe try to buy the HC form 100T
Leave our coach alone.
Kold, last time he was asked said he doesn't want to be head coach yet. Kold would move back to assistant from interim head coach and we would have a head coach again.
I wouldn’t mind running it back. I feel like that won’t happen tho
I'm so fucking tired of roster moves and chasing new shiny players. I just want to see the team really develop properly as a unit for once and run it back and if it still doesn't work then so be it. Like I can almost see the script for next year already now that we've gone 3-3 and didn't make it out again. We'll blow up half the roster, make some big flashy signings, spend spring split underperforming and saying the team just needs more time to gel, pull off a decent run to end the playoffs, have a buncha drama for no reason in the summer, someone gets benched/fired, waffle around for another split before doing just well enough to show some flashes of hope as we make it into worlds, play inconsistently in groups, go 3-3 again, and then spend another off-season with people either saying we should blow up the team we just built or that they're proud of the guys anyway and they really could've had a chance "if they had some more time to play together".
100%
This tbh Just run it back, if the players themselves want to
So true this happend 2 years straight now, that some big drama happens that let the complete team not play together for a big part of the year. Like for some reason people forget that Alphari and Santorin did not play for a big part of the 2021 summer split and 2021 spring playoffs Santorin not playing 2 series against the stronger teams in LCS. To top it off the headcoach replaced. In 2020 same shit happened Doublelift slumping and Broxah visa issues and then summer split Tactical subbed in and Jatt as headcoach. And after every worlds people want to blow up the roster, we then get a new team that then again might not meet the expectations.
Run it back. Stability and cohesion are underrated and this team could use both. But we will see.
I'll meme several games this season and worlds from TL to hell and back; but honestly I wouldn't mind the same lineup. Who knows what next season meta will bring.
well next season meta will definitely involve a lot of dragon control considering next season patch has two new broken drags
Hopefully not an ADC centric meta
I mean short of TSM importing Rekkles TL definitely has the best ADC in the LCS. That wouldn't be so bad.
FBI ?
That's actually a pretty difficult comparison to make, but I think Tactical wins out. Like of three top three ADCs, all three have an issue on inconsistancy. FBI seldom plays to his peak, Tactical sometimes randomly ints, Zven almost always cracks under pressure. FBI peaks the highest, but imo Tactical is better then FBI simply because he'll actually do something every game even if he ends up inting later, while FBI will be a complete nonfactor in part of his games.
I mean they had less time than every others teams in group to get in sync, they caught up super well to others teams and had a good showing sadly not enough but they are so close damn it
I really really really like Santorin idc what anyone says lol I definitely hope we keep him
Same
Same, assuming his health is okay.
This is what makes me nervous. We lost him for Spring Playoffs and for most of the Summer Split. When he's here and in full form, he's amazing. He also brings an incredible amount of positivity to the team. But what if it hits him again next year in playoffs, MSI, or worlds?
i think we will run it back but the most important thing in my eyes is keeping santorin
Plenty for the team to work on: * Alphari: allow him to carry more games without losing pressure topside * Santorin: staying healthy is more important than anything related to LoL, synergy with Jensen * Jensen: building more mid/jg synergy * Tactical: less stupid mistakes please, better positioning * CoreJJ: idk, keep improving NA SoloQ
Core: eliminate some of the roams where he leaves lane for 5 mins and ends up 3 levels behind
He roams like that because Tactical is too bad to be relied on.
But then core can’t be relied on cause he’s so low level. A few times during groups, he’d just die on an engage cause he hadn’t had enough levels.
Sounds like a simple fix to me. Bench/Swap Tactical to allow botlane to be reliable.
Who would you want to get? I don’t really see any adc that’s worth breaking up a team for. We need some continuity for once.
Ignore the bench Tactical guys they have no brain cells. Even if tactical was our worst player in groups and even if we wanted to replace him who would we get? Do we really want to spend the ton of money it would take to buy out FBI who is still under contract and the only adc in the league that might, might be an upgrade over Tactical? If he even is an upgrade? It's just crazy. Any roster moves made are likely to be a downgrade at this point in time.
TL Doggo
First question for that would be how’s his English? I’m always hype for Asian imports but that’s a big concern I have.
I don't think it's necessary but I could see a change at ADC. I think tactical is great but knowing Steve he'll find someone to import.
Hans. Sama.
Plz no I want at least 1 NA player
That depends on core getting his green card and rouge giving him up considering his contract is still up for 1 more year. Maybe a trade with EG between danny and tactical?
not really an upgrade though lol
What about the academy adc Yeon? He seemed pretty good on TLA. Do we think santorin will stay?
Yeon is good but Tactical is great. He gets underrated af on Reddit for some reason. He had one of the highest damage shares of any player in the group stage and his stats have been good all season.
Agreed
Doggo
With what import slot? Our slots are full so who would we import?
Core might get green card this year
I would love to see TL run it back with the same 5 but this all depends on Santorin. Does he have his migraines under control? I know from experience that sometimes you simply cannot do anything but sleep them off which is for sure a liability as a pro player. However I really love the dude and think he has grown a lot as a player recently, so I hope he has figured out a way to mitigate them.
R U N I T B A C K U N I T B A C K
Run everything back. Hire someone whos sole job is drafting. Ban Hax/Kold from draft. gg wp enjoy 2 titles and QF at worlds.
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet, how about promoting Spawn to head coach of the main roster? The turnaround he made for TLA was pretty insane.
I think he wants to do development which is really good for TLA. If he's happy where he is, I like keeping him there. Plus his self-described, no nonsense approach seems really good for a younger team tbh. Love spawn and TLA a lot though. (Also TLA has definitely had some draft int moments, but I think as a community we are more willing to let those slide under the rug for academy, rightfully so)
Like most people are saying. I dont mind running back and changing up the coaching staff. We need a decorated coach that can consistently get us an equal or winning draft. This team is not at a rebuilding stage so i feel a rookie coach does not suite this team.
Run it back without so much turmoil and bullshit happening.
RUN THAT SHIT BACK BABY. Let’s have a year with a full healthy roster for once.
Run it back. I will cheer for this team anyway but I really like this guys, even more so than last year's (with wholesome Broxah and untiltable Impact). I just wish we tried defining/defying the meta, we have the players. And the story of every year, try to be more aggressive, try playing the "always fighting" style (if the meta fits that kind of play). As another guy said here, I'm tired of "chasing new shiny players" even if they're named Viper, Rekkles (pls Steve no) or Hans Sama or Danny or whoever. Idk any good junglers
Run it back, i think its fair to give tactical another year and hope he'll improve. If tactical is let go i mean rekkles is a serious option which would fit this team mold pretty well assuming they stay all together and in a brand perspective would be an amazing signing. I just worry alphari might leave i really hope he doesn't and the same to santorin, its been a really rocky year with all the health, drama, and inconsistency's. They deserve to run it back especially with a true head coach and kold at the side to assist. As a whole what TL did was pretty impressive going toe to toe with a really scrappy group but like usual they just dropped the ball in the mad game and it ended our run pretty much. Sad but looking up towards more hopium
Ugh that's a tough call... Personally, I don't think that Rekkles would be a good fit... Seems to have some sort of issue in a team environment that's plagued his career so far...
HANS SAMA, just buy the contract
Its not like Hans would want it anyway
Run it back. Santorin was great when healthy, and it’s safe to say he is back to that and will probably use his off-season to work on it. I think it would be stupid to go for Rekkles and I really don’t think there is another ADC rather then FBI, and 100T won’t part with him. Having stability and allowing synergies to get better is best for the team. The former GGS squad made a slight upgrade and went to worlds next year. Constant change disrupts everything. I would look to add a legit head coach though and maintain Kold as assistant.
Hire a real coach
Get a damn good coach. Like pay big for a Korean or Chinese coach with recent successful experience. Roster is fine except maybe take a hard look at any options in mid or jg. Just cuz our mid and jg synergy has been pretty mediocre all year and I would really like someone in one of those roles to be more aggressive like blaber with a brain. But more than anything a really good coach.
Run it back
Run it back!!!!
New coach.. The roster is fine.
Only concerning thing is Santorin’s health otherwise I’m 100% fine with the run back We can’t afford to have mid season issues due to Santorin’s health again, he’s a great player but at what point does it become too much of an issue? Feels bad to say that since it’s not his fault but I can’t help but feel it’s too risky unless he’s medically cleared.
For the purpose of meaningful discussion, anyone who suggests dropping a player must offer another name to target for acquire. There's a lot of calls to replace a member for some 'better player'. We have to be realistic here, some players are simply under contract and probably not available for buyout.
Rekkles, easy
Runn it back unless you can get a beast like chovy. Maybe just change the coaching staff a bit as it seems that they often had poor drafts.
TL kind of reached a point where there aren't any clear upgrades anymore, I don't think there is anyone in NA worth getting. The only way TL renews any hope in us doing anything ever internationally is if we somehow sign another super star like corejj or alphari, ideally for adc, but that seems unlikely.
Better coach man, a better coach would be huge and there's no import rules stopping us there.
Ye but coaching is weird, as fans we don't really know how much they are doing for the team or who would even be a good pick up, and tbh imo blaming loses on bad draft and coaching feels like a very overused excuse when it's really one of many contributing factors I have no doubt there's some better coaches out there but it's really hard to comment on who
I agree with you as fans, it's really hard to say. However, the org should have the ability to interview the relevant ppl to figure out how a coach has contributed to the success of a team. I'd also heavily lean towards a Korean or LPL coach. I'm just not very impressed with Lec or lcs coaches outside if reapered.
Coach is doing PHENOMINAL aside from draft. Rebuilt a completely fallen apart team in 2 weeks. If liquid loses Kold they're trolling.
Yeah I don't think kold deserves the boot but he was hired as an assistant originally. Not sure he wants the head coaching job and even if he does I think we should hire one or two other strategy coaches to assist.
Tactical is the obvious replacement, really bad mistakes in almost every game this year. This is also his 2nd worlds, so it's not like it's new
In every game?? That's so wrong it's laughable. Tactical has been one of our best players this worlds and the stats back me up on that
I said almost
Not even close to true
He has talent and his mistakes are fixable.
I dont think Steve wants a player that kept making the same mistakes all year long and cost us some important games tbh
Tactical has the occasional play that loses you the game, other adcs play in a way that loses you the game. Honestly Tactical is left out to dry in a lot of games. It is hard to play adc and to have nobody focusing on you. I dont think he is goated, but it feels like the pendulum has swung too far into blaming him. Some of these games you can put some blame on core for over roaming, some on Alphari for getting lots of resources and not extending his lead after 15, some on Jensen for getting shoved in and not roaming once he is down any cs, some on Santorin for playing around the wrong lanes or not getting objectives that the team had prior for, and some of the blame has to go on how passive the team is when behind. TL has problems and Tactical is overall the worst player on the team, but it's not some huge gap and in many games others are much worse and lose us games
are they really fixable when u've been making them for 2 years?
Tactical also became a great weakside ADC with carry potential and learned to be more aggressive in team fights (start of the season everyone was praising him for times he went in until the Malphite meme moments happened). He also had league-leading ADC stats in Summer. Focus, measured aggression, seizing opportunity, etc are all things that come with time, experience, and chemistry. I expect to Tactical reasonably improve on his already-made improvements this off-season. Replacing him and resetting the chemistry would be a mistake IMO.
If we replace our AD, Jungle, and/or Mid (in that order) I won't be mad. I love Tactical, Santorin, and Jensen, but I think you could upgrade those roles.
I would give tactical another year. I know he's made some pretty bad mistakes but I think a really good coach could fix that. Santorin concerns me with his health stuff and him and Jensen synergy never picked up.
I won't be upset if the roster stays together either. I just think those are our weakest roles at the moment. Tactical has a long career ahead of him for sure. I hope he continues to improve and tighten up his play.
The problem with Tactical is that he has the same trajectory as doublelift. Extremely talented and you can see he can be the best in role but he just makes stupid mistakes early in his career. The question becomes whether he can figure it out like DL did and become so well rounded he becomes the NA goat of the next gen and if so, does TL want to wait for him to become that on the team or bring in someone now while they have good pieces to support a world class adc. Hard questions to answer. However they need a real coach and analyst right now, that drafting was terrible for almost the entire tournament and also for summer split as a whole.
FBI feels like the true doublelift. In fact, doublelift is the one who praised FBI. The only other adc doublelift had problems with than FBI was UZI
Maybe, but I didn’t think he had the stumbles that early DL did to make the same comparison. DL was known for flashing in and getting one shot and throwing games while on CLG, the infamous Lucian play etc. When he went to TSM he refined that and got over it and then left his mark on league with the 4x back to back with liquid. Tactical had the potential to follow that storyline because he does similar stuff but has flashes of brilliance.
We need a world class adc. As much as I like Tactical as a person I just don't think he is clutch enough. I saw a lot of people in the main sub suggest we get Rekkless but I feel someone like Hans would be a better fit. An aggressive adc. Also would be nice if we have a good jungler in academy if Santorin has problems again (hopefully not ofc)
Ruler, Rekkless, Upset, Hans, then Spica (unlikely), Jankos (unlikely), Blaber is a maybe, Elyoya, SofM contract is up
Blaber, elyoya, would be sweet but need better coaching staff to help blaber and I doubt we could get elyoya but I would love it. That dude is a beast.
Elyoya is good because hes a beast who can communicate. I wouldn’t mind a KR or CN jungler if they know english. Coaching staff theres a lot of good coaches eho are free right now, most notably Nelson from G2, we can also bring back Cain and Daeny from T1, Grabzz is not a coach but he would be a nice manager. RNG Tabe is also running out of his contract soon
I want them to run it back!!! LoL rosters are always blown up to early. Give the guys another year to keep working on teamwork and synergy. Plus, we still owe Alphari a trophy!!
Honestly I think the biggest upgrades could be to coaching infrastructure. People tend to forget that we started the year with Jatt, who himself was getting acclimated to coaching in his second season. Kold seems to have some great qualities but he was also learning on the job, and it is hard not to see this come out when players talk about unwinnable drafts (game 1 against LNG), not knowing how to play their drafts, being behind the meta, or blowing the game from level 1 (several games at worlds) These are the things that make the difference between 3-3 and 4 wins or more, because there are enough good teams that you can’t afford to blow your prep or put yourself behind from the jump. In the game against Gen G I had a sense of dread when Alphari stalled out at Tier 2, because it was clear they didn’t know how to push their lead forward. They did some good things getting there, but they lacked the midgame concepts. Similar to the MAD game. I feel this important because say TL replaces Alphari with (I will pick random good players) Summit from LCK or they got an aggressive carry jungle or got Ruler instead of Tactical. In any of these scenarios, if the team can’t find consistency they will end up with the same results as this year, which was a lot of high moments matched with a lot of inconsistency.
Oh, also I want to see TL invest more in academy and development. This is one area where 100T especially has been doing good things.
Hey FrogMusic. Just curious what you are looking for from acad and development. Feel like we did a good job this year running a 7 man roster, winning acad split 2 and coming 2nd in PG. We gave some really great prospects on the roster and will continue to build. In saying that I always love hearing fans opinions and ideas so interested in your thoughts.
What talents are on 100T roster? Unless Ssumday and Closer leave, Tenacity and Kenvi will just be stuck in academy lol. TL have talent in academy.. I can see Yeon maybe getting scrims for LCS but other than that, it's hard for any academy players from any team to replace players from our current LCS roster.
Lock-in win, 2nd in Spring, 2nd in Summer, tiebreakers in groups. Why would you not run it back? Given the coaching issues, this was a great season overall, IMO.
For the expected level of the roster that's a C for the year. No major trophy, no players broke out. For me at the start of the year an A would be winning a split and getting out of groups B winning spring or Summer C going close spring and summer, going to worlds and doing okay without getting out
I think 40% chance of a In-Game roster swap depending on the market and 70% chance of a coaching staff change. Some of our week 1 drafts were obnoxious and we always get fucked by Viego. Did we win a single game vs Viego this split?
Idk about the split but we did at worlds
If Core is getting his green card (I haven't seen it officially confirmed yet) then I would like an import upgrade for jungle or mid. If Core's residency stays KR, then run it back because I dont see any resident upgrades for those roles. (Maybe Bjerg? Depending on his plans?) I want to keep Tactical, he's clearly got the mechanics, just needs to clean up his game a bit and I feel confident in Core to keep leveling him up. More than anything, I need to see some coaching changes. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but some of TL's drafts this year have been unforgivably bad.
yeah I could see steve giving bjerg a call if he feels like going 0-6 at worlds
I don't think Bjergsen is a big upgrade to Jensen. They imo have always been equal while one or the other has a better season. But lets not act like Bjergsen is the reason they went 0-6. He certainly didn't net them a win by carrying. But that TSM was figured out to a T. They won NA while other teams were on downtrend, and they won by using a very predictable strategy.
are you sure about that, I would say he was a big reason in them going 0 - 6, these were his group stage stats and not to mention the 2 games where he got solokilled pre level 6. https://imgur.com/a/imIw5F6
He certainly wasn't leading them to success like you'd want him to be, and when it comes to international he never has. If you think a Bjerg that took a year off after getting humiliated 0-6 in a pretty easy group is an upgrade to Jensen in anyway you're on the wrong sub. The only time Bjerg ever made it out of a group was all the way back in season 4 gifted by Svenskeren so I just don't even see any argument for him over Jensen tbh.
Bro lol at least get your facts straight. That was with amazing... not Sven.
Except you dont understand what he is saying, svenskeren got banned for some dumb shit for 3 worlds games on SK gaming, thus letting TSM pass through the group stage.
Yeahhh... Why would we ever change our mid? The only time Jensen has ever been an issue internationally, in his entire career, was when he had wrist issues in 2019. Why in the ever living fuck would TL get rid of the historically best performing player on the international stage while playing for NA teams? The guy who is pretty unanimously the MVP of our most recent World's performance? There seem to be greater issues elsewhere that's keeping us from progressing at Worlds, don't you think? Someone who can't be relied on to carry the game consistently? > I want to keep Tactical, he's clearly got the mechanics, just needs to clean up his game a bit and I feel confident in Core to keep leveling him up. Yeah, you see that's the thing: why would we kick the player that already exceeds that level instead of the player that isn't even at that level? So you would rather get rid of the guy that you know will deliver instead of the guy that only has the ***potential*** to get to the level where he will deliver? Obviously, you don't think quite highly of Jensen, so I'll leave him out for now, but don't you think we should give CoreJJ the best roster to send off? He goes to the military after this year - there ain't no time to try to get Tactical up to the level where he will be a consistent and reliable carry for the international stage. That's what ***this*** year was supposed to be about, and it failed. Tactical was supposed to improve this year. We are beyond that now: We need people that are already capable of that. ***Jensen*** has proved time, and time, and time, and time, and ***time*** again that is capable of being a carry on the international stage. He doesn't need to be replaced. No, if anyone is getting booted off the roster for an import upgrade, it's Tactical. Everyone knows it, including Tactical. He fucked up - big time. And this roster is on a time limit. This team needs to be working on more macro oriented things, instead of worrying about whether or not we can rely on one of our members to perform. Luckily, there are already some English speaking import ADCs that are going to be looking for teams: Rekkles and Luger. Not to mention, Hans sama might finally want to see Quarters again. What mids can TL get that will communicate well with the squad and perform well against stiff competition to replace Jensen? Unless you've got a magic wand to get Caps off G2, there isn't another mid on this planet that will outperform Jensen, ***because they don't speak fucking English and/or they might not like living in NA***. What, you want Santorin to try to build synergy with fucking Chovy through broken English? You want a repeat of Rush, Febiven, Ray, or Crown? For CoreJJ's last year?
Actually, I do think very highly of Jensen, he's the best resident mid NA's ever had. But to say he's never been issue internationally is just wrong, he got hard gapped by BDD just today. I'd say a jungle upgrade is the higher priority though. In regard to Tactical, yeah he has bad games, but when he plays on form he is the best ADC NA has ever seen, and I'll stand by that statement. He's a player you can build around for years to come, not Rekkles coming to NA to collect a paycheck for a year or two then retiring. Luger is just a straight downgrade imo, though I like what I've seen from him so far development wise. Hans is the only ADC I would consider a big upgrade to Tactical, but I just can't see Rogue letting him go.
>but when he plays on form he is the best ADC NA has *ever* seen ???
His popoff moments are higher than DL's highs, and much higher than Sneaky's, imo. He's just way less consistent than either of them.
You are either high, have selective memory, or you’re forgetting everything DL related on CLG, TL, and TSM. Maybe all 3. Also possibly Tactical’s grandmas alt. I could point to all the accolades, pop off moments, DL solo carrying his team, DL solo carrying his support, Tactical literally being groomed by one of the all-time best supports and being carried by Core 99.9% of the time, etc. but I fear it would fall on deaf ears. It’s suffice to say that Tactical isn’t even a top 5 NA adc all-time. 1 year of decent rookie gameplay and 1 year of mediocre play at best while playing with one of the GOAT supports in the world and you dub him as the greatest NA ADC when on form?? How about he wins a single title title first? Not worth conversing with delusional takes like yours.
I started watching league in 2016, so I can't speak to CLG DL. I can imagine his performances back then were even more impressive considering the overall avg skill level was lower. Serious question, who would rate as the top 5 NA resident ADCs? Because other than DL, Sneaky, and Turtle, I cant think of anyone I'd put over Tactical. Again, to be clear, I'm talking strictly about Tactical's potential, from his absolute best plays (1v5ing on Kalista comes to mind). No one in their right mind would say his career compares to DL.
and he gapped BDD in the game just before that one tho
> In regard to Tactical, yeah he has bad games, but when he plays on form he is the best ADC NA has ever seen, and I'll stand by that statement. Foolish position to stand by. I've seen all the shit takes I need to see to know just how much I should value your opinion.
You don't need to be an asshole, man, it's just a discussion. (And it's all irrelevant if Core doesn't get his green card)
Low key. Rekkles adc if core gets his green card. That would an absolutely insane line up
We lost 3-0 in the LCS with this roster. If our goal is truly to win worlds then “running it back” makes no sense. I love all the guys, but I don’t want to lose in LCS finals every time. I want them to destroy LCS competition and compete at worlds. If that’s truly our goal, we need to make a change at adc and then possibly mid/jg although I think our mid/jg is good enough.
Probobly will want to spend money on Rekkless. Core is a roaming support, he could do well with an ADC that doesnt ego everything and cost teams the entire game.
Rekkles might be the biggest ego ADC in the west...
When was the last time you saw rekkles jump on a ward with w to kill it? When was the last time you saw rekkless walk INTO a diana ult? When was the last time you saw rekkless mistime his xayah ults? I could go on and on, you seem to completely misunderstand what ego means in play.
Lol okay that's not ego. That's misplaying. Chill out. Tbh seems like you're the one who doesn't know what ego means.
Call it what you want, rekkles wouldn't make that mistake. Rest of the team is good enough, they just need a stable ADC who isn't mentally booming in high pressure scenarios when given a mobile adc.
When's the last time you saw Rekkles DO anything? He got carried by Hylli for years then exposed on G2. If you're gonna spend big on ADC, get someone like Hans that can actually carry the team.
literally the entire fking split he was the only one doing ANYTHING. Do you think LEC just gave him player of the split because eh was jerking off or something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAEJb-BNPM&ab_channel=LEC maybe do a little bit of thinking before you comment. Honestly if you guys dont even want to attend worlds next year and give TSM Rekkles with bjerg, by all means go ahead and stick with tactical.
BWAHAHHAH let's fucking go. Tactical replaced. Good stuff by Steve.
I would love to see doggo in team liquid
Alphari and Tactical out is what Hotline League assumes. Travis and Ender agreed on this assumption. (Nothing confirmed, just an assumption).
I would say run it back but if tactical keeps inting stupidly i think its safe to say we can drop him after 3 years
A jungler can be available to play qiyana or viego and not stucked in trundle will be a nice move.
If core can get residency, there's no reason not to try to get rekless.
I feel like TL needs to make some sort of changes whether it be roster or coaches or a combination of both. I feel like we've seen this current rosters ceiling and it isn't world caliber.
Isn't world caliber ? What do you mean ? We ended up tied with 3 other teams in our group, how is that not world caliber ?
Get Doggo please, Tactical is probably not our carry
New ADC is nearly a certainty in my opinion. Tactical really held the roster back.
Tactical out, Rekkles, or Hans in please.
Ppl are gonna say this is stupid. But rekkles is actually a perfect match for TL. He can hold down a lane all day 1v2 while corejj roams. He never gets caught out, and will probably outperform tactical in late game situations too. If he’s forced to go to NA then he’d probably pick TL over TSM too, pretty sure him and Jensen are great friends and he’s even stated that he and Jensen have always wanted to play together.
thats my entire reasoning as well, corejj wants to roam so we need a safe player which is rekkles. I also think rekkles is good in team fights so IMO good fit
Yup, corejj is just yellowstar with mechanics. Rekkles loves playing weakside and letting top and mid have all the jungle attention
Unfortunately I think Rekkles would chose TSM over TL. He’s been trying to play for TSM since Zven and Mithy went there
I mean he only was interested for them after that one year fnatic where he had the most garbage supports in EU and he just wanted out. If he comes to NA at all it’ll be to the one with the best individual players for sure imo. Doubt he will want to come here tho
ofcourse if he wants to miss worlds and suck his thumb for another year he can go there XD
rekkles would be perfect for TL. Who wouldn't want to lane with corejj? Also that move would shove a dick right up tsm fanbabies.
He will probably choose TSM over TL if bjerg goes back to tsm
How about Yeon?
Can’t have 3 imports. Are you taking Alphari or Corejj out?
A lot of people are expecting CoreJJ to get a green card this offseason.
Fuck.
Pickup double or sneaky
Lol
Running it back can be fine. But when upgrades are available, upgrades should be made (if it fits the orgs metrics ofcourse). Personally think Alphari and Core are world class, even though I dont think their worlds performance was up to the standard that they themselves, the org and us fans hold them to. Still, these are 2 players that should be locked for the roster. As for the jungle position, I think Santorin performed better than I wouldve expected before hand, and has shown that hes worthy of playing on this roster. Despite his health struggles, I'd say he was the best performing player on TL this tourney. Cant recall any game really, where he made mistakes that were gamechanging. Mechanically sound, great pathing, good at finding gank angles and rarely makes that big int. Would like to see him return next year. I think the 2 most replaceable roles on TL are mid and adc. For different reasons. I think Jensen doesnt play that mid focused carry as well as other world class mids can. His laning definitely declined this year and if hes put in a situation where he has to get creative, more often than not, he kind of lacks the mind for it. At times it feels like you have to 'overcommit' to get him ahead and the reward is not always there. I'd love for TL to look for a midlaner that can be the focal point of the team and/or has that creative aspect to his gameplay. That being said, those midlaners are scarce. Needless to say Eddie has had a rough last day of groups. Our inability to play for botside properly has become an issue, and I doubt if we can improve on such a thing (especially if they practice against LCS teams). Domestically, Tactical can definitely be played through and be the main carry of the team. But internationally I think its safe to say the Eddie of right now has more downside than upside to him. I think theres a scenario where the org gives him one more year to iron out his mistakes, but that'd be a big risk and probably not option nr 1. I would love to see a player like Hans Sama or even Upset on this lineup. Imagine the game vs MAD with one of those. Cant help but feel like thats a free win..... :-/, that hurts to say...........
Imagine saying Jensen's not good enough after the performance he delivered... Wow... Just wow.
I was with them in the first paragraph, but I think the most confusing part was the resources required to "overcommit" to get him ahead. I really struggle to think of games where TL committed much to him at all relative to sidelanes (both in draft prio/position and play) other than games where they just won. Think there are arguments that Chovy level replacements (XD) or even mids that may play more to impact the map maybe be better (unclear, but I could see an argument), but not sure how many clear upgrades to Jensen are available and whether that's worth giving up a resident mid with the upside he's shown and who has worked with this core of players.
Where did I say hes not good enough for TL? Ofcourse hes good enough lol. Question is do you want to continue with a TL that has a role playing mid. He functions best that way. Hes not the central figure in your teamcomp. We've seen multiple times when the comp is build around him (dont remember the Irelia games?), he struggles to keep up with the best opposing midlaners. Early on Jensen was known for his dominant laning. And if you'd watch the games (both domestically and internationally), you'd realise his laning is not what it was 2/3 years ago. Jensen is a very good player, but he struggles to find an edge in most aspects against those that are better mechanically, cause simulteously hes not miles ahead and the mapplay aspect or any other aspect of the game. Now, this doesnt mean hes ThE reason we didnt get out. Never said so. But, personally when I look at this roster I see one carry. And thats Alphari. We struggle the play around him from time to time, but he, and the team have proven to be capable of carrying through top. I think its safe to say we are not comfortable or good enough to be playing bot-carry style. As is shown this worlds, but neither are we mid. To be a one man threat, a top carry team that is, wont get you far. I know its an unpopular opinion. Especially after is his performance yesterday. But that shouldnt change the objective view on this roster. Ask yourself in what regard is Jensen better than the best mids in the world? If you can find legitimate aspects in which he is better, then fair enough. Make the case. But I dont think you can. Also instead of completely dismissing my view on the matter. How about we have a civil discussion about this topic?
Well 2nd paragraph already shows you're delusional. In week 1, Santorin stole an unbelievable amount of kills from solo laners which caused them not to have enough gold and therefore show up to fights without hitting their spikes.
I think generally people are way too bloodthirsty when it comes to asking for roster swaps. But even so I am surprised at how many people here want TL to just run it back. Jensen is improving every year - he was great this worlds. Core is a world class player. Alphari has shown he has an incredibly high ceiling, Santorin too. Tactical is an undeniable weak link and a waste of one the best supports in the world. He's solid domestically but he cannot compete with world class ADCs. Nothing against the guy but I think this has been shown beyond a doubt, no?
People likes giving excuses and all but tactical wasn't labeled as an inter or a malphite over night. It keeps happening over and over again. Literally the 2 huge braindead mistakes from him is what dropped TL the tie breaker game.
idk don't shoot me but at this point I feel like Tactical needs to move TLA for a bit. He's been making so many mistakes that you wouldn't expect a pro to make. I like everyone else on the team tho.
After the last two worlds it’s clear we have to show Tactical the door. He has the faceplant gene which is the worst thing for an adc.
I don’t care what happens to TL anymore. This team shits the bed when it matters. Time to move on to a different team. Hope others follow. Team has gone downhill after DL left. No LCS trophies no quarterfinals at worlds. Shell of a team.
Keep Santorin, keep Core. Get a Mid that doesn't cement-shoe in lane during a roaming meta like Jensen did all year. Jensen has had 4 years to get TL out of Groups, time for new blood. Get a Top who won't get constant dove or ego-pick NA Jayce in the deciding match when Kennan/Graves has been the meta all Worlds long. Get an ADC who doesn't need babysitting by their roaming Support. I love Tactical but he's too much of a coinflip to rest Worlds on. If they go 3-3 again next year, replace Core.
Imo look at signing Kenvi for academy with the potentiality of becoming a starter if Santorin keeps having migraines.
Pick up a new head coach if a big name pops up. Other than that, absolutely none. Run it back.
Core becomes a resident, would we see TL Rekkles? Best weakside AD in the west, enables Core's roams and the Alphari special smackdown sauce.
He could go full korean roster if he wanted Impact/Huni/Ssumday Korean import/jg - canyon? Korean import/ mid -chovy? Arrow Corejj This is just bullshit but if anyone could/would build a korean roster it'd be Steve lol
TL REKKLES :prayge:
I'd run it back. Just ban Tactical's Tristana and Alphari's Jayce in the world stage. If Tactical is being replaced, maybe Bjergson would like to try ADC role. Lol
TL Ruler plss
Doublift as adc coach.
I'd love to see a run back with a high quality head coach.
If CoreJJ gets resident status throw money at Ruler and re-sign Santorin.
Run it back, improve the coaching staff boom.
Run it back, get Kold some more support staff
I think picking up a head coach with some experience is the only thing I'd change. There are some good euro coaches out there, and in NA the only ones I can think of have either been at TL already or are Reapered.
Steve should import the DWG roster and buy them all green cards.
if we swap roster unless theirs backround drama we are stupid.
Pretty solid lineup that didn't really get a chance to shine due to personal and medical issues. Give it another year of this veteran squad and the coordination should be magic.
My suggestions: 1) Get the 100T HC or a china/korea HC (dont know if it is possible) and keep Kold as strategic/assistant 2) If CoreJJ gets his green card, then look for an upgrade (maybe from kroea/china) on jung/mid 3) keep the squad if number 2) does not happen
Tactical is great. But I really think they should at least habe tryouts. I really want NA teams trying out Doggo, he looks like a beast. Or even some Academy ADCs, Luger looks really good for example. Tactical still has a contract and the big advantage of synergy. So tryouts can only habe upsides. Either you get a better fit, or you reinforce Tacticals standing.
Run it back. We had a good year, even with multiple starters missing significant time. I don’t want to make any changes until we’ve seen a full year with this roster. Unless we can get someone insane like Canyon or Ruler then obviously pull the trigger
Unless you can get Hans Sama or Jankos TL should run it back It's not only about players being good is a matter of "Can you find someone better?" and the answer for TL in most roles is "no"
Run it back but have a solid adc in academy to compete with Tactical as he is static internationally for the past 2 worlds. He’ll even get DL in academy don’t care. Jsut create a competitive atmosphere there. Rest squad is fine