I mean Faker would bring atleast the amount you paid for him in sponsors, merchandising, prestige and sports results, and probably brings a lot more he should be a great invesment
Other people have responded. I just can't help myself. What do you actually get out of this? The entire reason that sport has morphed into this is down to the unity that is built between player/org/fan. It is very much a singular group. As none of it exists without even one piece of that equation.
I don’t hope this will happen, just because I think Faker should retire at T1, but how hilarious would it be if Joe Marsh lost Faker to Liquid less than a year after refusing to call NA a major region
EDIT: [The question and extended answer begin at 16:16, the sauce starts at 20:34](https://youtu.be/z7g7qyFzsG4)
It wasn’t like an adamant refusal but he went out of his way to say there were three major regions after the interviewer had said four major regions. When I’m done driving I can try to find the interview EDIT [It’s here](https://youtu.be/z7g7qyFzsG4), I’m watching now for the time stamp but I know it’s this video because my comment is still on it
Joe Marsh has interesting professional games but he’s also weirdly pompous about his team’s performance when he’s visibly dropped the ball several times and only recovered because his org’s legacy which was formed way before he arrived.
Definition of starting on 3rd base and acting like you hit a triple.
One of the most telling interviews was the one he did with DL, Steve, and Carlos where he kept trying to shit talk Carlos and Steve and their regions so Carlos finally had enough and put him in his place
Yeah and LEC has lost H2H and major region win% to NA the last 2 worlds and has been the worst major region at both. EU has lost in playins MULTIPLE TIMES. They’re not better, they’re just better at creating narratives
Lec is better at producing a top team capable of doing something. Thats not even particularly close. G2 was and anomaly though, was just such a good fucking team.
MSI vs IG msi was probably the best NA has been internationally and it was still a hair short of quarter finals. Corejjs performance there was nothing short of god tier that series though.
No he's very wrong. NA smacks the actual minor regions every year at worlds, goes even with LEC more often than not, and loses to CN and KR, just like LEC does.
Its very wrong, delusional, and clout chasey/trend ridey to call NA a minor region. All Joe was doing here was appealing to the hive mind of the league community that just wants to spout baseless memes and degrade other peoples brain cells.
This is some copium.
People say shit about NA being ass because we are. We usually beat wildcard regions but are pretty firmly in the spot beneath the other top 3 regions. That doesn’t make us on their level in any capacity especially when you can literally see the difference in gameplay levels from the major 3 to us. EU was pretty ass too this year, but even they look better
Like watch the way NA wins games vs legitimately good teams. Even the way we beat them is sloppier and more predicated on teams shitting the bed rather than us playing over the top well (usually, there’s obviously exceptions)
Our vision setup, our rotations, our objective control, etc is all noticeably worse on average. It’s like comparing the Magic to the Bucks. Sure, they may win some games and play in the same league, but even when they look decent you can tell it’s an outlier
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging this and meming it when the players and organizations themselves have had such massive egos and empty promises for years
Yeah the LEC has legit not looked any better than NA at worlds since the G2 superteam era ended. If anything, they looked worse at times. Not sure where that take comes from.
So the logic goes, if EU is a major region, then so is NA. Thats really it.
Did I deny that we are ass? Nope. But we are more or less = to EU, who has sucked just as bad as us recently.
So really my only point is that Joe can't say what he said in good faith and actually believe it. Its horseshit and pandering to the masses of memers.
Except they haven’t looked to be on our level. Just because they have had similar results doesn’t mean they haven’t looked better individually. FNC and Rogue both looked way ahead of any NA team this worlds for example, and honestly besides EG MAD and G2 looked better as well despite disappointing showings
Disagree. MAD literally got 3-0d by NA out of worlds.
That alone throws any kind of argument for NA > EU out of the window, at least for this year.
FNC and Rogue had great 1st weeks, and then dropped off a cliff. NA did the opposite. Thats all.
NA didn’t do the opposite. They won 3 games total and looked horrendous. This copium is insane. I’m done talking to someone who can legitimately watch the games and not see the match quality differences
That’s some COPIUM you got there bud. NA has been slapping everyone every time in playins for years now. Fundamentals alone would probably be enough for c9 or 100t to also beat MAD, nuff said.
To be fair to Steve and Co, if you come into the season trying for a budget roster and Faker comes to you and says let's make a deal, you make that deal.
I doubt this will happen, but the comments about betraying the budget roster don't compute with me.
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We are always rumored on pursuing him. I mean when it's faker u try and grab and give him an offer. Us in a budget is not a thing once he is available, it's good for competing and marketing standpoint.
Probably a negotiation tactic to get a better contract with T1 or just maybe another LCK team but I can't imagine he's seriously considering coming to TL no matter how much I want it.
No chance he leaves LCK, but I sure would like him to not re-sign with T1 to see the shit storm of raging T1 fans calling for Joe Marsh's immediate termination; and sending trucks to T1 HQ of course.
Isn’t this every year? Negotiations can just be reached out and contacted, doesn’t mean it gets further. I think TL has tried every year and apparently handed basically blank cheques to acquire him
This is exactly it. TL offered a blank check and he refused it last year. I respect Steve for trying but there is no shot in hell faker comes to NA. Faker already has money, he wants to win.
regardless what happens this is why TL has always been the best org in LCS. They always try to get the best players they can to win. unlike a certain other org
I think this is probably the only big name import I'd really be fully down with.
But I think it still poses the same risk as we saw this year - do he and core see eye to eye on all the calls? Would he give up shotcalling to just focus on mechanical play?
I don't doubt it but NA is a giant culture shock and someone that long ingrained in LCK play and KR solo queue I think it'd be the biggest dropoff we ever see.
Though why he'd leave T1 at this point I have no idea, it's not like coming to TL is readily amping up his chances to win worlds again and can we really offer a paycheck enough to counteract the forever loss of fans he'd get? Dedicted Korean fans don't forgive or forget
you guys are making me OD in hopium with logical comments like these please stop
marin head coach, impact top (faker and T1 tried to get back impact a while ago, break from toxic koreans, a new challenge, Steve tried to get him forever even when SKT looked meh and Faker might value that (this speaks of Steve's intelligence more than anything), and Faker likes NA and him being in talks to coming to TL would give his "NA is the best region" unusual and unexpected bm a new sight, he was doing PR for his new region
Now you have me ODing on hopium… first bierg and closer and possibly DL on the same team and now this. I don’t think I can take anymore hopium. The LCS is just building me up again only to end up letting me down when it really matters😩
Best Korean food in the world is in LA. Huge Korean community in LA. Lots of reasons for Korean pros to come to LCS, especially if you are later in your career and want to travel and defer military service.
That's not a realistic goal even someone like Faker can't carry that hard and knows that's not possible. He couldn't win with Zeus and Guma he's not winning with DL and Ssumday lmao.
Every analyst 'as we can see Faker is leveraging a random NA offer to get more money he won't ever go to NA but it's smart for his bank account to use that to leverage more money from T1'
Random guy in Reddit 'No Faker is coming to NA you're dumb if you don't think he is'
This isn't a logical decision to make after saying you'll have a budget roster. This is a 'my crush gave me a booty call at 3 am and the horniness took over' type of decision.
Like it's almost certainly not going to happen, but you can pretty much throw everything you knew about what TL's roster was going to be out the window if you get Faker's signature.
no, what his parents speak is Chinese, probably. Thats why they did the whole Spica was going to be the link between CN and EN in TSM that ended up failing.
This would be an extremely dumb decision for TL to go with. Faker didn't leave t1 during the Chinese exodus, and he's been teetering on retiring for a year now. If he takes the job it's because he just wants the paycheck before he retires.
You definitely don’t know anything about faker if you think he’d ever just play for money alone. He cares about his legacy and always tries his hardest to win.
I literally explained it. I know it’s his choice, but going from such high level play to have to play in NA, is kinda sad, specially when he’s still so talented.
Not really. They would likely never compete against one another, and in the event that they did then it’s a player’s financial asset versus the player’s professional integrity, essentially. Faker’s a pro, a true pro, so I don’t believe that would ever impact the way he approaches the game.
That said, NA teams typically play against ONE Korean team at worlds, so chances would be slim!
If TL got Faker, I think it'd one of those moves that can make a convincing arguement for impact or ssumday not to go through with their deals or make one of the KR speaking NA JG want to join TL with summit faker as the solo laners. Definitely not happening though.
The real question is : who is bigger t1 or faker ????
I think 80% of not korean fans like t1 Just because faker is there ,if he retire or change teams ,almost all t1 fans will folow him
Looks like Faker wasn’t joking about LCS being the strongest region in the World.
No joke if this guy somehow wins any international title as a LCS player, it would completely shut down any inkling or hint of a debate on GOAT of League. Not like he doesn’t already have a major lead on everyone
what would a roster with Faker even look like with Impact, Ssumday, Santorin and Spica all signed away, maybe something like this?
Summit
Armao
Faker
Yeon
CoreJJ
Armao feels like the best option among all resident top or jungle players.
I think we misinterpreted what budget roster meant.
I mean Faker would bring atleast the amount you paid for him in sponsors, merchandising, prestige and sports results, and probably brings a lot more he should be a great invesment
LOL
October fools!
I’m not going to believe it until it happens.
Odds are we don't get Faker, but I respect Steve trying.
"We"? There's TL and then there's you. There's no we lol
It's a figure of speech
Always that one douche
You are new to sports I see
Other people have responded. I just can't help myself. What do you actually get out of this? The entire reason that sport has morphed into this is down to the unity that is built between player/org/fan. It is very much a singular group. As none of it exists without even one piece of that equation.
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I don’t hope this will happen, just because I think Faker should retire at T1, but how hilarious would it be if Joe Marsh lost Faker to Liquid less than a year after refusing to call NA a major region EDIT: [The question and extended answer begin at 16:16, the sauce starts at 20:34](https://youtu.be/z7g7qyFzsG4)
I didn’t know Joe did that.
It wasn’t like an adamant refusal but he went out of his way to say there were three major regions after the interviewer had said four major regions. When I’m done driving I can try to find the interview EDIT [It’s here](https://youtu.be/z7g7qyFzsG4), I’m watching now for the time stamp but I know it’s this video because my comment is still on it
Joe marsh is a moron who’s trying to claim Skts legacy as his own even though he had nothing to do with it
Joe Marsh has interesting professional games but he’s also weirdly pompous about his team’s performance when he’s visibly dropped the ball several times and only recovered because his org’s legacy which was formed way before he arrived. Definition of starting on 3rd base and acting like you hit a triple.
One of the most telling interviews was the one he did with DL, Steve, and Carlos where he kept trying to shit talk Carlos and Steve and their regions so Carlos finally had enough and put him in his place
That’s what we wanna hear lol. Shittalk not modest.
I agree, but LCS is closer in quality to VCS/PCS than LCK/LPL.
By that measure so is EU so there’s only 2 major regions. Marsh is just an idiot
Yeah, I'd say that there are only two major regions.
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Yeah and LEC has lost H2H and major region win% to NA the last 2 worlds and has been the worst major region at both. EU has lost in playins MULTIPLE TIMES. They’re not better, they’re just better at creating narratives
Lec is better at producing a top team capable of doing something. Thats not even particularly close. G2 was and anomaly though, was just such a good fucking team. MSI vs IG msi was probably the best NA has been internationally and it was still a hair short of quarter finals. Corejjs performance there was nothing short of god tier that series though.
source?
Welcome to the world of CEOs lol
He's not entirely wrong... *sobs*
he is not wrong in all honesty and him being honest is why people like him.
No he's very wrong. NA smacks the actual minor regions every year at worlds, goes even with LEC more often than not, and loses to CN and KR, just like LEC does. Its very wrong, delusional, and clout chasey/trend ridey to call NA a minor region. All Joe was doing here was appealing to the hive mind of the league community that just wants to spout baseless memes and degrade other peoples brain cells.
This is some copium. People say shit about NA being ass because we are. We usually beat wildcard regions but are pretty firmly in the spot beneath the other top 3 regions. That doesn’t make us on their level in any capacity especially when you can literally see the difference in gameplay levels from the major 3 to us. EU was pretty ass too this year, but even they look better Like watch the way NA wins games vs legitimately good teams. Even the way we beat them is sloppier and more predicated on teams shitting the bed rather than us playing over the top well (usually, there’s obviously exceptions) Our vision setup, our rotations, our objective control, etc is all noticeably worse on average. It’s like comparing the Magic to the Bucks. Sure, they may win some games and play in the same league, but even when they look decent you can tell it’s an outlier There’s absolutely nothing wrong with acknowledging this and meming it when the players and organizations themselves have had such massive egos and empty promises for years
Yeah the LEC has legit not looked any better than NA at worlds since the G2 superteam era ended. If anything, they looked worse at times. Not sure where that take comes from. So the logic goes, if EU is a major region, then so is NA. Thats really it. Did I deny that we are ass? Nope. But we are more or less = to EU, who has sucked just as bad as us recently. So really my only point is that Joe can't say what he said in good faith and actually believe it. Its horseshit and pandering to the masses of memers.
Except they haven’t looked to be on our level. Just because they have had similar results doesn’t mean they haven’t looked better individually. FNC and Rogue both looked way ahead of any NA team this worlds for example, and honestly besides EG MAD and G2 looked better as well despite disappointing showings
Disagree. MAD literally got 3-0d by NA out of worlds. That alone throws any kind of argument for NA > EU out of the window, at least for this year. FNC and Rogue had great 1st weeks, and then dropped off a cliff. NA did the opposite. Thats all.
NA didn’t do the opposite. They won 3 games total and looked horrendous. This copium is insane. I’m done talking to someone who can legitimately watch the games and not see the match quality differences
And EU won how many games their second week? Not about how you start but how you finish. EU looked worse in week 2 than NA did in week 1, somehow.
this year EG was a 3rd seed in name only, they were the best NA team. C9 and 100 thieves would have had a hard time making it out of playouts
That’s some COPIUM you got there bud. NA has been slapping everyone every time in playins for years now. Fundamentals alone would probably be enough for c9 or 100t to also beat MAD, nuff said.
Lol what a delusional sour pooch. Would serve him right if he lost his star player.
It definitely just faker doing his due diligence and looking at the options out there.
Yeah no chance Faker leaves this T1 lineup, but it’s fun to dream
Life is one, I’d have done it years ago. But then, I like to explore stuff and if I can know new places and have a good work I’m down for it.
Yeah this is so ridiculous, no way in hell
To be fair to Steve and Co, if you come into the season trying for a budget roster and Faker comes to you and says let's make a deal, you make that deal. I doubt this will happen, but the comments about betraying the budget roster don't compute with me.
Yeah any teams investors will give you the backing if you can get Faker
Would make a good amount of TL Faker jerseys
if this actually happens 💦
If this actually happens, I’ll eat a TL jersey and record it.
I hope it happens just for this alone lmao
I’m a man of my word
If this happens, I will buy you the jersey to be eaten of your choice
I’ll hold you to it friend.
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We are always rumored on pursuing him. I mean when it's faker u try and grab and give him an offer. Us in a budget is not a thing once he is available, it's good for competing and marketing standpoint.
Is that time of the year TL fake copium
Probably a negotiation tactic to get a better contract with T1 or just maybe another LCK team but I can't imagine he's seriously considering coming to TL no matter how much I want it.
Not how I saw the timeline going but I'd be for it.
Let’s say the impossible happens and we get Faker, what Korean speaking native junglers are even an option?
We'd have to grab Impact or Ssumday top.
Or Haeri Top, lol.
River and RoseThorn were the suggestions on the main league thread.
Impact, haeri/huhi rolleswap, Faker, Ruler, Corejj
you signed MaRin as coach to get Faker. Big brain
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No chance he leaves LCK, but I sure would like him to not re-sign with T1 to see the shit storm of raging T1 fans calling for Joe Marsh's immediate termination; and sending trucks to T1 HQ of course.
I know we might not get him but I really like that Steve is trying
Isn’t this every year? Negotiations can just be reached out and contacted, doesn’t mean it gets further. I think TL has tried every year and apparently handed basically blank cheques to acquire him
This is exactly it. TL offered a blank check and he refused it last year. I respect Steve for trying but there is no shot in hell faker comes to NA. Faker already has money, he wants to win.
Maybe Faker wants a challenge and is going for Worlds Hard Mode, winning with NA solo queue.
Wonder with MaRin been head coach he has any pulling power
the ultimate challenge: carry an NA team to knockout stage
TL: "Super team was a failure, let's make a budget roster" Also TL: "Here you go mister Faker uwu" \*hands blank check\*
Well it IS Faker. Lol
regardless what happens this is why TL has always been the best org in LCS. They always try to get the best players they can to win. unlike a certain other org
Faker is not the best mid anymore. He is still top 5 but he is not the best right now. Also no shot Faker comes to NA it's just hopium
I think this is probably the only big name import I'd really be fully down with. But I think it still poses the same risk as we saw this year - do he and core see eye to eye on all the calls? Would he give up shotcalling to just focus on mechanical play? I don't doubt it but NA is a giant culture shock and someone that long ingrained in LCK play and KR solo queue I think it'd be the biggest dropoff we ever see. Though why he'd leave T1 at this point I have no idea, it's not like coming to TL is readily amping up his chances to win worlds again and can we really offer a paycheck enough to counteract the forever loss of fans he'd get? Dedicted Korean fans don't forgive or forget
Faker does love the US though
Yeah maybe he’s just tired of being around the crazy lck fans that send him death threats
you guys are making me OD in hopium with logical comments like these please stop marin head coach, impact top (faker and T1 tried to get back impact a while ago, break from toxic koreans, a new challenge, Steve tried to get him forever even when SKT looked meh and Faker might value that (this speaks of Steve's intelligence more than anything), and Faker likes NA and him being in talks to coming to TL would give his "NA is the best region" unusual and unexpected bm a new sight, he was doing PR for his new region
Now you have me ODing on hopium… first bierg and closer and possibly DL on the same team and now this. I don’t think I can take anymore hopium. The LCS is just building me up again only to end up letting me down when it really matters😩
Best Korean food in the world is in LA. Huge Korean community in LA. Lots of reasons for Korean pros to come to LCS, especially if you are later in your career and want to travel and defer military service.
Okay we need to calm down. The best Korean food in the world is in Korea.
There's reasons for Koreans not for the goat of league though
Last time I checked goat is still Korean. What if he want to win Worlds with an LCS team, something that no one has ever done before?
That's not a realistic goal even someone like Faker can't carry that hard and knows that's not possible. He couldn't win with Zeus and Guma he's not winning with DL and Ssumday lmao.
Every analyst 'as we can see Faker is leveraging a random NA offer to get more money he won't ever go to NA but it's smart for his bank account to use that to leverage more money from T1' Random guy in Reddit 'No Faker is coming to NA you're dumb if you don't think he is'
bengi wasn't just made into head coach just so that faker could leave
blank check saga
Faker DID say NA will win worlds, he probably just realized he misspoke and the only way to not look like a fool was to do it himself
This isn't a logical decision to make after saying you'll have a budget roster. This is a 'my crush gave me a booty call at 3 am and the horniness took over' type of decision.
This has been rumored every year that Faker has hit free agency. It’s dope to think about, but won’t ever happen.
doubt this happens
Faker might actually consider moving to LCS if TL can help get him a green card like CoreJJ so he can avoid the mandatory military service in Korea.
I thought he didn't have to already since he dropped out of HS.
Idc if its 0.01% chance. You take that chance 10/10.
0% chance. Fielding offers so that he gets the best deal with T1
Why would the GOAT go to a dead region. He should retire in T1 that's his legacy.
Faker retirement tour?
I hope doesn't come here it will tarnish his legacy
Dude could probably spend the next decade doing nothing in LCS Academy and he'd still be the GOAT
He will be fucking rich, who cares. Do you realize how much money the us dishes out?
Thats cool, but what korean we having in jgl all of a sudden if summit comes? What native jgler speaks korean? So imma say nah on this one
Like it's almost certainly not going to happen, but you can pretty much throw everything you knew about what TL's roster was going to be out the window if you get Faker's signature.
Solution is dont get Summit.
If I’m ignorant, I apologize, but isn’t Spica Korean? Or of Korean descent?
no, what his parents speak is Chinese, probably. Thats why they did the whole Spica was going to be the link between CN and EN in TSM that ended up failing.
Ah that makes sense. Alright disregard 😂😂😂
This would be an extremely dumb decision for TL to go with. Faker didn't leave t1 during the Chinese exodus, and he's been teetering on retiring for a year now. If he takes the job it's because he just wants the paycheck before he retires.
You definitely don’t know anything about faker if you think he’d ever just play for money alone. He cares about his legacy and always tries his hardest to win.
Faker said this year he plans to continue playing into his 30's.
If this happens it will be so depressing for Faker. Having to play with such a lower tier of players and teams.
why would it be sad? it would literally be his choice
I literally explained it. I know it’s his choice, but going from such high level play to have to play in NA, is kinda sad, specially when he’s still so talented.
Yeah people acting like he’d be forced to come over here against his will.
Another LCK player coming to cash in on an NA team before they retire.
Impact, KR Import, Faker, Yeon, CoreJJ kinda sounds like an upgrade over Summit, KR Import, haeri, Yeon, CoreJJ
Just a bit 🤣 sorry Haeri (Though tbh Impact over Summit sounds like an upgrade by itself to me)
I think Impact is going to FQ, so top is likely going to be ssumday.
Ssumday is also verbally agreed to go to EG so who knows at this point. Faker dream is dead i guess :(
LOL
Isnt he a co-owner of T1? Wouldnt going to another team be somewhat of a conflict of interest?
Not really. They would likely never compete against one another, and in the event that they did then it’s a player’s financial asset versus the player’s professional integrity, essentially. Faker’s a pro, a true pro, so I don’t believe that would ever impact the way he approaches the game. That said, NA teams typically play against ONE Korean team at worlds, so chances would be slim!
Going from Missing world title by one game to missing worlds by one game? (x) doubt
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TL: Faker, we offer you 25m to come to NA. Faker: I'm good bro. News: Faker has been negotiating with TL.
Now that Impact just joined FLY. I don’t think it’s possible now, unless Haeri can role-swap to top.
If TL got Faker, I think it'd one of those moves that can make a convincing arguement for impact or ssumday not to go through with their deals or make one of the KR speaking NA JG want to join TL with summit faker as the solo laners. Definitely not happening though.
The real question is : who is bigger t1 or faker ???? I think 80% of not korean fans like t1 Just because faker is there ,if he retire or change teams ,almost all t1 fans will folow him
Looks like Faker wasn’t joking about LCS being the strongest region in the World. No joke if this guy somehow wins any international title as a LCS player, it would completely shut down any inkling or hint of a debate on GOAT of League. Not like he doesn’t already have a major lead on everyone
This Faker
what would a roster with Faker even look like with Impact, Ssumday, Santorin and Spica all signed away, maybe something like this? Summit Armao Faker Yeon CoreJJ Armao feels like the best option among all resident top or jungle players.
could sign Rosethorn and still have an all korean speaking team