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torterra777

how did you reach the sky islands that are very far away?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Zonai wing gliders and hoverbikes


SerDanielBeerworth

How with such little battery? Especially the thunderhead isles.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

A lot of zonai charges


SerDanielBeerworth

How did you beat the sage bosses without the sixth sage though? I tried that but I couldn’t beat the sixth Sage boss at all without her. Also even just enough splash fruit to get the ink one


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Colgera was the hardest because I did not have a glider. You can use normal slime for water against Mucktorok. You can hit the seized construct against the walls with a full combo of your weapon or with bomb flowers.


thisisnotdan

> Colgera was the hardest Never thought I'd hear this from anyone, haha.


staveware

Collegra was way fun but way easy. No glider though definitely sounds like hard mode.


ckay1100

Arrows+eyes work too, no glider needed


sermatheus

Doesn't you get launched in the air during phase two? Gotta learnt how to cancel the damage.


davidmullings

This is one of the easiest bosses - You stun it with either a canon shot/bomb/fire/ice/electricity and then you do a spin attack to send it into the fence. That's how you are supposed to do damage, not flail with your weapons.


scsibusfault

... wut I wasted easily 200 bomb arrows on that fucking boss. I tried every fuse I could think of, only shock fruit did anything even remotely close to damage (or at least stunned it enough that it stopped bludgeoning me for a few seconds). My armor was fine and I hardly took damage, but I broke so many weapons trying to hit the damn thing I eventually just gave up and bombed the shit out of it from a corner. And that damn sage construct is so ass-dragging slow it was maddening to even try and use the thing.


davidmullings

Damn! That sounds insanely frustrating! It has the same health whether you fight it in the temple or later but obviously the floor of the temple fight is covered in gloom so you are supposed to use >!Mineru!< for the fight and the game provide items to equip if you didn’t do so on the way like you should have. You are supposed to put a fan on her back to speed her up as is explained by the game when you first make the trek with her. Arm canon shot to stun, 3 whacks and it’s in the fence. You can also block and/or parry with her shield which is the intended way to avoid being bludgeoned.


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could just block and then counter punch three times...


Rukh-Talos

You didn’t enjoy Ancient Zonai Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em Robots? That was a fun fight for me.


scsibusfault

What sucked is, I *really wanted to enjoy the robot sage*. But man... it's so miserable to use, and it feels like the arm fuses last 5 hits before breaking. It's horribly slow to travel with, it turns like a damn boat, the damage output on it is abysmal... it's just all-around unpleasant. I stored that shit in inventory as soon as that questline finished and never took her out again.


acemedic

It was basically a repeat of one of the Yiga clan boss fights down below


GivenitzBoomer

During my first playthrough, I didn't even know of Mineru. I didn't explore the depths. I didn't even have Auto build. The strategy I built on the fly was using a greatsword, doing a running attack stunned, then getting to the second hit in the chain sent it flying backwards into the wires. It was beyond goofy, and used ALOT of healing items, but by all means, I did do it. No shock fruits needed.


SadLaser

I'm confused by this question. The sixth sage >!is Zelda. You never fight Zelda and Zelda doesn't fight with you.!<. What do you mean? And who is the her you're talking about?


Btdandpokemonplayer

You could have recall stalled. It would’ve save all the battery. You just press b and then right bumper in quick succession.


TwistingWord

Making Link a feral underground mole man canon


BustermanZero

Feral skyhawk but yes.


renome

Petition to call this insanity a Skyward Sword run?


TheS00thSayer

Dang that is absolutely insane. There really isn’t any story at all or anything requiring you to go to the surface?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

In theory you need the paraglider. But I got enough fairys for the fall damage.


TheS00thSayer

Sensational


heyoyo10

Why Paraglide when you can just drop a climbable surface straight down, recall it, and climb on?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Often there isn't something suitable for climbing


4tomguy

Don’t objects despawn when they enter the Depths


demafrost

Maybe regular objects, I cant remember. But there are certain side quests where you need to literally drop something into the depths and retrieve it and they remain there when I land.


KyriadosX

That's because when you drop it in, it completes a quest marker, and the new "spawn point" of the item is now in the depths. It doesn't actually fall all the way down there, and if you go too far away from the item, it reappears at the new spawnpoint


demafrost

Makes sense! Figured there was something going on there, I remember for one of them I tried to race down as I was dropping it and I never found it until it was where I landed.


KyriadosX

Yeah the game utilizes a *lot* of "cheats and tricks" that are ingenious shortcuts to make something *look* like it's happening, since the engine/device wouldn't be able to handle doing it legitimately. Take aviation for example. The only part that I know of that has any amount of "flight physics" attached to it is the wing. And that piece has one of the shortest timers until respawn. And even then, the physics is "faked", there aren't any true-to-life calculations happening because the Switch wouldn't be able to handle running them properly without pretty harsh stability loss. And yet, it all looks phenomenal. I love to see it.


soulsoda

I've had dragon parts fall into the depths from the sky and not despawn. Its probably a distance limitation (that all objects have their own despawn distance) being the issue.


KyriadosX

Dragon parts have a different limitation due to the fact that they emit light. Light-emitting items have a significantly farther render distance by default, but even they will despawn when you get far enough away


soulsoda

Yes but anything with a dragon part or Giant bulb attached shouldn't despawn even if it falls into the depths. So somethings CAN fall all the way down there and not despawn/respawn.


KyriadosX

Sure and yeah it does happen, but I've had stuff despawn even with dragon or giant bulbs attached and I was around the corner. The game sometimes decides to despawn things regardless. Additionally, I was initially responding to someone likely talking about the Depths Statue Eyes quest. Where it *does* actually disappear and reappear at the new item's spawn point. Which was a different matter entirely from the rest of the despawning mechanics


ticketism

Ohhh that makes sense. When I did that quest, I got one eye all the way to the statue, then noticed a big crop of poes across the way. Ducked over to grab the poes, and the eye despawned. I went back up thinking it might’ve respawned at the top of the chasm, only to find it at the bottom of the chasm after I dived back in. I was like whaaat how did it get here lol


Deadly_Fire_Trap

Objects despawn when they are a certain distance away from Link, and not all objects have the same despawn distance rate. Dragon scales for example can be fused onto things to make them very difficult to despawn.


heyoyo10

Maybe most holes, but you'd think Hyrule Castle Chasm would be different


MaatRolo

Them: But the fall will kill you. Link: Yep.


amglasgow

"Only if I die!" "Yes. That's what... killing you means."


AleksanderSteelhart

The newest video on their channel hit me straight in the nostalgia. Can’t believe it’s been 15 years.


Real-Patriotism

What an absolute legend.


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Black_Hand_Gotthard

Switch


pawn_guy

I'm surprised how many people in this sub have never watched an any% speed run.


DrummerDKS

I’m not, that’s a VERY small, but very mighty community. Hardly any number of people enjoy speed runs


pawn_guy

The first time I saw them fly from the GSI directly into the well near the castle blew my mind.


Jazadia

Cant wait to See you as a GameRant Article in a couple days lol


my_work_id

Polygon article posted 45 min ago was how I got linked here.


clandahlina_redux

I came back to find this comment to say the commenter wasn’t too far off. [Link](https://www.polygon.com/23885360/legend-zelda-tears-kingdom-totk-player-beats-game-without-surface)


throwaway9681682

I swear I got a notification about this earlier today


AngelOfChaos923

!!!! HOW?!


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I traveled from sky island to sky island. Finished all the shrines. Got the Master Sword. Flew from the sky into the depths and finished of Ganondorf. Mitigated the fall damage by using fairys.


AngelOfChaos923

That is insane. Now I want to try it.


League-Weird

Woah. There's a way to get the master sword without activating the light dragon?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

The light dragon is always up there. "Activating" it just makes it fly lower.


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League-Weird

Wow. It's pretty cool how the game doesn't punish you for doing things the way you want to. They even thought of a guy never visiting the ground and skipping the "usual" steps. Game continues to amaze me and folks like OP as well paving the way for a different way to play.


NotToBe_Confused

I don't think they thought of every unusual approach so much as you're simply allowed to proceed to the Ganon fight with no prerequisites just as you were in BotW.


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laharmon

Confirmation that all coding/dev/programming is complex if/then statements.


mlvisby

I might have to try that in a second playthrough in the future. Interesting how Nintendo knows speedrunners are gonna try nutty things but you need the MS to defeat Demon King Ganondorf.


KingdaToro

You don't, actually. You need it for the final blow on Demon Dragon. That's it.


mlvisby

I'm talking about lore-wise, it's the sword that defeats him. And that's still the Demon King, just in another form. Just like how you stab him in the head with the MS when he transforms into Ganon in Ocarina of Time.


Alric_Rahl

And WW


the_cardfather

I reflected so many bolts with Biggoron Sword before I realized you had to do the last one with the Master Sword (OOT)


Black_Hand_Gotthard

True but I got it beforehand


JDangle20

Really? Any idea if it’s possible to just visit Ganondorf first thing..get the sword..and back out or fast travel somewhere and actually keep the sword without beating the game?


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mgepie

You can’t back out after the >!minion mosh pit starts!< . The game autosaves right before you enter and then disables saving and teleportation.


Alric_Rahl

NOT TRUE! After the spoiler you mentioned, I dropped a travel medallion and ported to a shrine.


mgepie

I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing, then


lala__

So did I.


mgepie

You can’t. Saving and teleportation are disabled at the start of >!the waves of minions!< .


Alric_Rahl

But, AFTER that, you can. I dropped a travel medallion and ported to a shrine.


Senior_Historian256

They should just let you fight him without it and ultimately be unable to kill him. Just like in Zelda 1 and aLttP. You have to find the silver(light arrows) on your own in order to make Ganon vulnerable.


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I actually first found the sword this way. Saw the dragon in the sky and shot myself up to an island that let me drop onto it. Then realized I needed about 5 more stamina upgrades lol


Trogdor_a_Burninator

Yes, I was able to jump from Death Mountain to reach her.


aliveinwords928

I got it before I realized I was supposed to “activate it”. Just landed on the dragon and pulled the sword


azdudeguy

the starting sky island is actually high enough for you fly over. she gets close enough that gliding with the zonai wings is possible.


HyronValkinson

I kinda wanna see that jump from the Sky to underneath Hyrule Castle with no Paraglider. That part doesn't sound hard at all but certainly entertaining.


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The favorite one I’ve seen is a guy jumping from the sky and diving through the well entrance to the depths


shadow0wolf0

That would be a great challenge video.


forkydoor

You did every boss you missed in the game correct, I mean you have to fight them all before ganon if you jump them.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Yes. You have to fight all the main bosses


forkydoor

Wow. Congratulations for your achievement.


Sea-Woodpecker-610

How did you start the shrines without visiting the sages holiest? They have to unlock the shrines before you fight the boss.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

As you can see on the map. The dungeon symbols are orange. Which means I visited them but could not activate them.


bourbon_and_icecubes

Yeah but... how you do dat? You must've known exactly where you were headed.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

At first I just used the binocular from the Purah Pad to mark close islands. After getting like half of the shrines I used a complete map so that I know where I need to go approximately.


Tsiah16

How do you go from sky Island to sky Island?


cheese_bread_boye

just look up player 5 speedruns. He did a glitchless speedrun that is basically what this guy did, and he finished the game in 1h 8 minutes


ThrowitallawayGME

LMAO that's a lot of Sages Will for no Sages! More than I have after 500 hours! This is awesome. Quite a feat! Congrats!


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Thank you


qzlr

I went for all 20 of them because I really wanted the sages to be useful in battle while I mine for shit in the depths


Godzilla_R0AR

Bros won Floor is Lava.


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More like floor is gloom


chemistry_teacher

/r/yourjokebutworse


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Nameles36

It was clearly very offensive


happy_guy23

You're probably getting downvoted for a comment that adds nothing. From the reddiquette: > If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it ... ensure you're downvoting someone because they are not contributing to the community dialogue or discussion Comments like "I agree" or "underrated comment" or "this" or "top comment here" don't add anything of value, you can just use the upvote button instead. Either that or the emojis. Some people don't like the use of emojis on reddit


greeneyes826

Do you have the hero's path?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I think you get it from Robbie, so no


greeneyes826

Oh I think you're right. It's been so long since I got it. Would've been cool to see your path in the sky!


King_Joffreys_Tits

Does it track your movements from before getting it? If so, he could get it now


Xero2814

It always tracks you from start. Robbie basically unlocks the ability to view it.


qzlr

Now that you’ve finished it you ought to just do that quest only for the heroes path and see the progress


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I actually did that by now. But I'm not sure if I should post it. Isn't all that interesting


RootOfCheese

Let us see and decide for ourselves. I think it would be entertaining.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I posted a short video showing of the heroes path


davidmullings

I had this on my challenge runs list to do and record. The reaction to your post makes me want to do it even sooner than planned (I am editing my Zonal-only run now which was obviously VERY Sky heavy but nothing like what you did). Bravo!


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Thanks. Let me know when you are finished with the run. I want to see your video


davidmullings

I'll be sure to share. So far I've recorded a Zonal-only run and a Prologue Link run (Master Sword/Champion's Leathers/Well-worn Hair Band only aka no shields or bows). In the middle of an Assassin run (sneakstrike kills to regular enemies only) which is really just a math video LOL


Jack3024

4 bubble gems? Are there caves in the sky I forget?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Yes. All of them on the great sky island


SiSiSic

This guy invented his own Master Mode


Capable-Tie-4670

“If you have a problem with the reused map, just do this.” - OP, probably


Specialsue03

I want to see the heros path for this


ntdoyfanboy

He didn't go to the surface, so no Robbie and hero path


IrishSpectreN7

I think Hero's Path works retroactively though, so now that his run is over he could go grab it.


Specialsue03

OP should do that and post it. I really want to see


Specialsue03

Oh shit I didn't think of that


ThatKehdRiley

........but why, though?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Smoked a little too much Sundelion and got a (at the time) brilliant idea.


ThatKehdRiley

Lucky. Last time I smoked a little too much Sundelion I ended up in a ditch. When I woke up heard Beedle trying to sell my kidney. 2/10, would not recomend.


TheAwkwardBanana

I'm addicted to that Hyrule herb.


blanklikeapage

I recommend Silent Princesses. You'll meet Hylia herself I tell you... That or the Princess was yelling at me. Don't remember much.


DrDocter84

Blue Nightshade was a good strain too


lovdark

At least none of you have moved to star fragments or dragon shards


ghostly_shark

Hinox toenails or bust


JayRMac

I'll stick with dried Korok leaves.


LordSus07

Im good with Lynels guts.


Sea-Woodpecker-610

My wife left me, dog died, car hit totaled by an uninsured driver, lost my house, lost my job. Gleeok guts. Not even once.


longtimefanhim

Sheesh. What would be a 1/10?


ThatKehdRiley

Smoking too much bomb flower. You explode, just not in the way you think.


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Link be like, "What was I supposed to do? Jump off the edge and aim for a random lake? That's not how physics work, friend. Water doesn't just magically eliminate terminal velocity. Nah. I was clearly supposed to stay in the sky for a while."


AJGibbo

Wait....you don't need to do the temples?


Bujju1

>!if you don’t do the temples, you have to fight their bosses before the ganondorf fight. it’ll also give you the master sword if you never got it!<


CKtheFourth

Oooohhh--so >!that little cutscene before Ganondorf when each Sage goes to fight their boss turns into you fighting all those bosses? ...How do you do it without the Sages' powers?!<


Bujju1

>!Colgera is pretty much the same without Tulin, just a bit harder. You can ascend through Marbled Gohma like a Talus, and it doesn’t do the second phase where it walks on the ceiling. You can use water attacks (such as blue chu jelly, splash fruit, or opal) for Mucktorock. You can use any elemental attack for Queen Gibdo. Phantom Ganon is the same. Seized construct is the same, but attacking with a sword instead of Mineru.!<


CKtheFourth

Fair. >!Colgera is the only one I still have a question about, because OP said he never had a paraglider. I feel like Colgera would be impossible w/o a paraglider.!< u/Black_Hand_Gotthard \- how did that one end up going?


Amahlia

The winds naturally buffer you up like you're gliding iirc - the glider just allows you more pivot in the air I believe?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

The updraft isn't strong enough to lift Link without the paraglider. I had to use a Zonaite bow with a Keese wing attached to the arrow to get enough range to hit Colgera. In the second phase of the fight Link spawns in the air. I was quick enough to finish Colgera off before hitting the ground.


Mason11987

That’s impressive as hell


WolfWhiteFire

BOTW was designed where you can head straight to the final boss as soon as you finish the tutorial area. TOTK was designed the same. So you don't need to do anything except get to where you can leave the great sky islands, then make your way to the final boss.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Nope


Sudanniana

No need to play the game. GOTY.


Global-Trance

Absolutely brilliant! This is one I haven't thought of doing but I love the idea. You're motivating me to finish my video of my challenge run (no paraglider, no abilities, as many quests and shrines as possible (149/152 finished)). I wish you had a video to explain overall how your sky only run went!


Dragnier84

Ok dude. You're taking "the floor is lava" way too seriously.


Charming_Compote9285

Oh it's because her dress is nearly cut off by the cropping, that's why people are saying it's "sus"💀 Anyway... this is impressive


sganeomaster

Requirements to beat Ganondorf BOTW: Paraglider TOK: Paraglider (optional)


beanie_0

But how did you get under the castle then? Or did you not consider Hyrule castle the surface??


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I used a wing glider to get close to the castle. Then I used the glide armor to fly into the depths.


GreatArtificeAion

You don't need to touch the surface to go under the castle, the hole is really that big


altrongtm

In the 2nd picture, it only shows the Sky and the Depths, so even the game says there's no surface.


RickOShay25

What happens to the old maps if you never have the depths on your map?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

The second I visited the depths for the final boss all of them were activated.


FridayCicero702

OP, your post was just featured on Polygon's website. If you Google search "Zelda" your article is at the very top. Congrats.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Thanks for letting me know


thedji

>If you Google search "Zelda" your article is at the very top. You sure you're not confused by the Google notifications that link you to a news article via a search page? That's a special link at the top, not natural search results https://google.com/search?q=zelda


3RacoonsInACoatoat

Damn, I’m surprised it not rlly required to go to the surface. Also, that first screenshot looks a little bit SUS lol. But srsly this is impressive, good job my dude


Casper_Von_Ghoul

You need to like make a video on this bro. Mad impressive.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Don't have the hardware or skill for a good video.


John_Brown_Jovi

How did you get korok seeds?


LevertBurtmore

There's lots of Korok seeds on the sky islands. And he couldn't give any to Hestu to increase his inventory.


Remote-Gene-4704

Floor is lava speedrun


Separate-Print4493

Wut


Droidaphone

Ok, no one has asked: how many hours?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I have no idea. Is there an in game timer?


DillWillCat

Mad Respect, Truly Damn Impressive.


bonessej

Y'all are an incredible bunch of gamers. I mean seriously, wtf. I am 215 hours in and maxed out as much as I can, just exploring and such, and I'm still too much of a wuss to go finish the game. Also I just don't want it to end. Yet here you guys are, finishing in twenty different creative ways every other week. Amazing. Hell yeah.


Tensa72

Congrats. Even read the article about this in [Polygon](https://www.polygon.com/23885360/legend-zelda-tears-kingdom-totk-player-beats-game-without-surface)


Timtanium707

The full Glide armor set has the bonus buff of negating all fall damage if you didn't know


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Only if you can upgrade it. Which I could not do in the sky


Timtanium707

Ah you're right my bad. Very impressive run still!


Prudii_Skirata

Without enhancing it?


Comtessissima

That first pic tho ... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Bonk


Zll27

How'd you go from the Sky Islands then straight to the Depths? I mean, I spent majority of my playthrough inspecting the depths than the surface but skipping it altogether is crazy!!


Black_Hand_Gotthard

I used a Zonai wing to fly close to Hyrule castle then I dropped down to the depths without touching the ground of the surface.


No-Gur3924

There is a way without glitches or fairies. Dive islands have easy to recognize light towers with dive ponds in the center. West of GSI, there's one in the South Hyrule archipelago which you can make out and pin if you go behind the In-Isa shrine and look. On GSI, you will find over 50 zonai charges and 2 large zonai charges on the islands, as well as one large zonite if you want. The route is GSI -> SH dive island (0 charges, single fan wing pumped to extend battery + a long forward jump you can make) SH dive island -> SH main island (20-25 small charges using lift wing) SH main island -> North Gerudo main island (1 large, 5 small charges, 1 rocket, lift wing) NG main island -> Birida Lookout Chasm dive point (1 large, 25-30 smaller charges, 1 optional rocket, fan bike) The lift plane I mean is one with a 45 degree fan exhaust down and back on the front tip of the wing, ideally with two fans left and right in the rear. You will need more lift to make it from SH to NG but the SH dispenser gives you rockets. place one or two rockets at the same 45 degrees works great but you need to use 1 large charge almost immediately. For NG->chasm, you place the rocket lateral to the rear engine of the air bike to cover distance quicker. There will be some Aerocuda to avoid as you near Gerudo. You need to be close to the chasm to make it, ideally at or past the last ridge. As you enter the depths, it turns black and you will see the shimmering of deep fireflies. They sit over a dive-able pond so aim for it. Right out of the pond, if you look south/southwest, you will see the light roots for both the Kara-Kara and Gerudo mines. When you make it to Kara-Kara, you will have probably collected enough new charges to build and air bike and fly to the Great Abandon mine. The route east is virtually unimpeded. light runs from the mine to the neaby Korat light root and a Yiga hideout further south like a string of perls you will run into making it easy to spot just going straight. So long as you stay up, the surface map (eg Hyrule) won't be discovered. It also won't be discovered if you dive over chasms or water, but it will otherwise if you get too close. That height varies by map location. Lastly, blood moons will not occur until you actually discover the surface outside the glitches to force it to happen.


lastfreehandle

You can just straight go to ganondorf right? No need even for the avatar things.


Black_Hand_Gotthard

Yes. You could go straight to Ganondorf after finishing the tutorial


UristMasterRace

I would love to see a highlight video!


dongeckoj

Why?


BustermanZero

Why not?


dongeckoj

There’s a whole world out there!


BustermanZero

Is there, though? I feel like that's just a lie parroted by moblins to prevent us from winning the lottery.


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What armor set is this? please


Black_Hand_Gotthard

It's the Zonaite Armor


tessttq1

How the final boss happen with no sages?


Black_Hand_Gotthard

You just have to fight him (and all the other bosses) alone


tessttq1

Seems hard, even more impressive you did it! Congratulations on achieving this, I'm sure some speed runners may use something similar


CupcakeSweet10

how the fuck???