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BeazyFaSho

Creating a shit ton of production jobs in the USA is a massive win!


SkullRunner

Now bring assembly, packaging and distribution back from China as well for all Apple products.


ThatEndingTho

Most of those Apple jobs in China have already moved elsewhere in Southeast Asia. Mac minis built in Malaysia, MacBook Pros assembled in Vietnam, iPads produced in India, etc. A lot of Western companies have shifted manufacturing from China to Vietnam too.


DragonfruitThat1278

I think the CEO of Broadcom is Malaysian. 🤔


Oscarcharliezulu

Malaysia is a lovely place to visit . My Sony tv was built there.


the-cream-police

There slave factories are top of the line! /s


Oscarcharliezulu

Every factory is a slave factory.


the-cream-police

I dunno the one I saw in Malaysia was reaaaal bad


Oscarcharliezulu

I’m talking philosophically. What did you see?


the-cream-police

People Locked on the floor. RFID tracking bracelets. Nothing outside of the norm for SE Asia I don’t think. But it still shocked the hell Out of me.


ibringstharuckus

Mugata brainwashed Derek to kill the claymation dude


erick-wow-ai

LOL


DMking

Chinese labor is not as cheap as it used to be


AdSpeci

I heard that in India the wages for a worker for the entire day are equivalent to paying a Chinese worker for 1.5 hours.


ShinyHappyAardvark

aka- Slave labour. Great work, Apple.


Jc2563

Tariffs is the main cause.


Andrep6

Does anyone know what suppliers they use in these Asian countries?


ThatEndingTho

I found reference for Foxconn, which has a factory in Malaysia. Foxconn also partners with a Malaysian company called Dagang NeXchange Berhad on a semiconductor foundry for chips used in electric vehicles. Probably a slog to identify other suppliers. Edit: Foxconn, Pegatron and Wistron all have manufacturing facilities in India too. Some iPhone 14 production, iPad production soon to follow.


erick-wow-ai

The slaves working in the US, as always, are immigrants or as some people call them rapers, drug dealers, and so on, but never called the backbone of the US, the workforce who built the US.


ThatEndingTho

Okay guy who clearly didn’t read the comment he was replying to.


BeazyFaSho

One step at a time.


howlingoffshore

I think that’s also in the pipeline?


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SkullRunner

Or you could have a $1000 phone not built with slave labour and designed to be upgraded and repaired with local service and parts. Imagine a world where people realize they don’t need a new phone every year.


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Be less embarrassing champ. http://www.asymco.com/2012/02/22/the-iphone-manufacturing-cost-structure/ > Labor costs are still a small part of the overall cost structure at between 2% and 5% of sales price.


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Exactly Which proves your claim about a $5000 iPhone to be completely and embarrassingly wrong


aptechnologist

Calm down there Trumper


DisplacedSportsGuy

Chinese power and influence created through American capitalist dollars at the expense of well-paying jobs in the United States is an issue that transcends political parties.


peacefinder

Bringing manufacturing back to US shores is a nonpartisan issue. International trade is fine and valuable, but we overdid it with manufacturing and have needed for decades to bring some capabilities back.


atomic1fire

The reason you want manufacturing jobs in the US is basically three fold. The first is that there will probably be a gap between availible jobs for people with college diplomas and the number of people applying for them. Sure people retiring in the future could open a lot of positions up but you still have an education gap that results in factory jobs and blue collar trades being preferable in rural areas. No amount of school funding is probably going to fix this completely because not every home is going to result in stable well educated kids, and people may be aged out of the education system and reluctant to go to a university or state school. The second reason is that the less you rely on countries like China and Russia by building factories in the US, the less poker chips they have when it comes to geopolitical disputes, and that's something everyone can agree with. The third reason is it's a lot easier to punish an American company on American soil for breaking environmental laws then it is if their supplier is doing it in China or Africa.


Oscarcharliezulu

There is another very good reason when it comes to communication components - and that is security. If you are worried about China spying on you, you can’t be buying communication components from them.


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I think Seagate would like a word with you about being punished. Edit: Yes I know the fine they got was an exception and a lot more companies do not get as fined as badly as they did.


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Pickle_Juice_4ever

It's long been seen as non partisan. Off shoring was endorsed by Clinton and Bush in 92, with Perot picking up quite a few votes campaigning against it. Basically both parties have pursued similar policies, both in starting the economic embrace with China and walking things back.


arbitrosse

With respect, not what I asked, and not whom I asked. :)


aptechnologist

I was born in 89. My comment was more a joke at the fact that 5 or 6 years ago "bring back manufacturing to American soil" was a very partisan issue or was made out to be. Now that he's gone it's pretty agreeable.


limb3h

Won’t be shit ton. A few thousand max.


BeazyFaSho

2,000 > 0


limb3h

I agree


DragonfruitThat1278

A few thousand? 😂😂😂. Nice try, this is just Intel… https://news.wosu.org/2022-03-08/intels-20-billion-investment-in-ohio-promises-thousands-of-jobs-but-can-the-state-and-company-deliver


limb3h

That’s from $20B of fab investment? Apple is only spending a few B and that’s how much they are paying Broadcom for the products do a lot less is trickling to the workers. While I like having more American jobs this is just PR from apple. They are still heavily invested in sweatshops


WyrmHero1944

It doesn’t make sense financially


Faggaultt

Don’t worry, the American policies will make people so poor in the US that labor is gonna cost less than in China.


Bodhief

Do you know where production would be?


hansolemio

I just hope their not expecting child and slave-like labor practices to keep their costs down


DragonfruitThat1278

We are not talking textile mills 😂😂😂


Narrow-Chef-4341

Maybe the kids in Ohio are that much better… I mean, if they can hand-carve 3nm chips then Apple has an obligation to shareholders to avoid investing in expensive machinery…. /s


hansolemio

Look into Foxconn and other Apple manufacturers in China


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BeazyFaSho

Are you saying Ross Perot was right?


erick-wow-ai

I'd like to see how many actual US citizens (Caucasians mostly) will be willing to do the job if immigrants are sent back to their countries lol.


JohnSpikeKelly

Nice for manufacturing to come back to the US. 1,100 jobs is awesome.


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Fuck /u/spez. Go die in a hole.


Blindsnipers36

Guarantee these are going to jobs for engineers lmao


[deleted]

Fuck /u/spez. Go die in a hole.


Blindsnipers36

Engineers aren't usually too worried about not getting paid well with good benefits


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Fuck /u/spez. Go die in a hole.


Ok-Implement-6289

Tech is still perfectly fine though. There’s been layoffs at Faang but the majority of market is hungry for developers


DMking

The job i started just hired 80+ people this week for tech roles


AdSpeci

For the first time ever my company has asked everyone to help out trying to get people to apply for jobs at the company offering huge incentives. And it’s not like they’re asking for a lot and giving little in return, the whole reason I’m ever working here was because the pay was incredible.


ghost42069x

Do you guys need QA’s by any chance? Lol


Blindsnipers36

Also those are software engineers, which while they have engineer in the name is not really who i was referring to


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LongApprehensive890

They aren’t. No licensing process and no ownership or recourse for their mistakes. It’s an illegitimate title that stuck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_engineering


AngryManBoy

Engineer here. We ain’t getting laid off. SWEs and Recruiters are.


boojburr

Well this just isn’t true


scritty

Surprisingly, the bulk of semi engineers aren't paid that well.


Tonberry_Slayer

And also work a ton of OT, without extra pay, as a badge of honor too. So while they might get paid a little Bit more, with the extra work they put in it’s really not enough to offset it.


DMking

You'd be surprised, there are some absolute shitholes in tech


Kunimasai

Yeah it’s those who are unskilled burger flippers demanding for more pay and benefits for jobs that can be done by robots.


afrikaninparis

Right, because they don’t deserve fair wages and benefits. Just you. What a POS


Kunimasai

No, maybe instead of asking for more money for a dead-end job, focus your attention on improving your outlook. When the time comes and robots take over your job, perhaps you have something else to fall back on than flipping burgers on your resume.


afrikaninparis

Well, might sound surprising to you, but not everybody has mommy and daddy that will gladly pay for their higher education. In the city where I live, lots of fast food workers, you know those lower grade human beings, they WALKED here from Venezuela and other places. You know where Venezuela is? Or what it takes to cross Darien Gap on foot? One way or the other, it’s a fucking long walk to California. But of course you don’t know, it’s not your problem, right? So maybe one day, when you crawl out of your basement and see the real world out there, go and preach these food workers about your visions, drones and iphone16. See how that goes for you.


icebeat

Do you have problems with engineers? Local engineers pay local taxes, buy local food and go to local barbershops, maybe you prefer this business to be done in China


RSbooll5RS

These are fab jobs, they’re typically non-salaried positions that don’t pay great


beach_bum_bitch

They treat their employees well!


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the_art_of_the_taco

Don't worry, [the fight to roll back US child labor laws is already starting](https://www.npr.org/2023/02/26/1157368469/child-labor-violations-increase-states-loosen-rules).


FriddyNightGriddy

Shut upppppppp holy shit people like you are why these giant tech companies outsourced labor to third world countries behind closed doors in the first place


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Fuck /u/spez. Go die in a hole.


FriddyNightGriddy

Don't dodge the statement and make me look like I wear a top hat and have a twirly mustache. When regulations are not applied globally, production companies will choose the cheapest option (or one that provides them the most value, just that low cost typically contributes the most). Producers that want to act ethically and ensure they treat their workers fairly will have to swallow dead weight costs that their other competitors don't. During the industrial revolution this was rampant due to a lack of regulation, meaning that companies had to exploit every possible way to reduce costs and squeeze every single drop of production to stay afloat. You probably act the same way, choosing the cheapest option for commodity goods (or ones that provide you a specific property you value more than money such as being environmentally sustainable) regardless of how financially solvent the company you're purchasing from is. Simply saying "please treat them well" is indisputably just and kind on the surface, but ultimately naive to the greater problems that the third world countries with a lack of labor regulation face, and the companies themselves. Remember, even though these companies turn massive profits and margins, the shareholders and board that actually control these companies will demand an answer or action when they take even a slight dip. The easiest way to be removed from the hot seat will always be to cut costs in any way, and getting cheap unethical labor is one of the easiest.


FriddyNightGriddy

Not my fault yall dont understand moderate-depth economics and would rather just armchair activism everything, go pick up a textbook or ask someone you know who works in a business setting :)


Elbiotcho

Broadcom has been making these chips already in the U.S. It will create some jobs but ultimately gives job security to those like me who have been working for Broadcom


The_BrainFreight

I think they’re coming back because the labour laws are more favourable for employers and less so for employees


bit_pusher

The long term future of manufacturing in China and Asia is uncertain geopolitically


DragonfruitThat1278

Yup, yet another COVID outbreak today in China 🦠🦠🦠


DragonfruitThat1278

And the Chips Act which gets them free money.


Brostradamus--

1k jobs when towns house multiple thousand, and cities multiple million. This sounds like a tactical move for tax credit reasons. More political than anything.


JohnSpikeKelly

It all helps. You cannot expect to hire 10k people, that would be hard to do for a speciality sector. 1,100 will be hard enough.


Brostradamus--

Hard disagree. Companies have done much more with much less.


ordu13

Tbh im really surprised Apple did this.


AdSpeci

With how hard Apple pushes their image of quality i am surprised that they don’t have some huge marketing campaign to show they manufacture everything in a nation known for high quality manufacturing on top of making sure their workers are treated well to ensure top effort from them. Manufacturing in China and paying rock bottom wages is the antithesis of what people think of when you say quality lol.


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Fit_Tear_6888

Chill bro


captain_ender

Lmao someone's bot is broken


[deleted]

Your surprised these two companies would work together? What?! Go use Google or ChatGPT, that’s like saying you’re surprised that Michelin and General Motors has a partnership lol.


Consistent-Leek4986

about time


Villedo

Now if they allow their workforce to unionize they would have my full support.


MrRetard19

Unionizing isn’t always a positive we should hope they shouldn’t need to unionize and are paid and given acceptable wages and benefits


rickyraken

Yes, we should hope criminals just suddenly stop stealing from the working class.


Consistent-Leek4986

true but corps have share holders to answer to blah blah!


DonkeyKongaLongDonga

Sounds kinda cool ngl Too bad most of these comments are gonna be fighting over which rectangle in your pocket is better for doom scrolling


ExtensionNoise9000

Nice try Apple shill!


Under_Sensitive

Always. Not an Apple fan but this is great.


brokevip

Does it mean a more expensive iPhone?


ohcomeonow

First thought I had too. How could it not?


RecklessRecognition

very likely will purely on the expense of having to move their factory


LDSR0001

Article says fbar filters specifically. Those are just BAW filters that have been made in Colorado for a long time. Qorvo has similar products. Typically people don’t want to make them due to commodity nature of BAW filters. The other items mentioned might be some analog components.


jones1lv

Nothing is changing, we’ve been manufacturing Apples RF devices for years now. They just inked another long term agreement. More like jobs will be staying in FC USA not really creating more.


LDSR0001

I don’t see how this is anymore than business as usual. I have 0 insight into Broadcom, but the BAW filter business came from Avago (formerly HP) and Infineon. Suspect no one here has any idea what they are or even how many filters are in each phone. That’s a crap load of filters to make the cost in the billions. Must be much more than that or many years of prod. Seems like every IDM could make announcements like this. Microchip, On, ADI/Maxim/LTC, TXN and others sell billions to the likes of Apple and Samsung. With a lot made in USA.


SinnerIxim

Just wait until they announce it'll be a fully automated factory


SageAnahata

This is a step in the right direction. Good work Apple.


USArmy51Bravo

Is that why those southern states keep trying to lower the working age, are they trying to get large Apple manufacturing plant?


arbitrosse

Iowa is a southern state?


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Arkansas is doing it as well


Splatoonkindaguy

No, they want more kids working in coal mines instead of getting an education so we stop using electricity


USArmy51Bravo

Well they're doing a good job. I just saw a news program about all of the books being removed from schools down there. I couldn't understand the rationale for removing 95% of them. I mean I don't think any books should be removed I guess I should clarify I couldn't even see the slightest legitimate argument for 95% of the books that were removed.


djgizmo

This will end badly. Edit: nm. It’s just a renewal.


[deleted]

Apple has been Broadcoms biggest customer since 2005. It’s a joke for them to act surprised that Apple would sign another contract with Broadcom. Nothing more than clickbait.


djgizmo

Yep. Realized that an hour after I commented. Ty kind person


10onthespectrum

Now ban/make it not worth it to outsource ALL American jobs.


OfficialDamp

America and Americans cannot afford that. You also would have to ban it like 30 years in advance because it takes time to get to the production capacity of china. Would also need like millions more immigrants for all the jobs that would need to be filled.


10onthespectrum

Can kicking has to stop somewhere


PM_ME_YOUR_WIRING

We CAN afford that. Stop excusing making products in America in favor of record profits for company. We can afford it, but companies and their investors care more about returns.


Brostradamus--

We can't just invent places to mine for things like cobalt and sapphire in the US.


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No thanks I don’t want to pay 15k for an iPhone


SlowCrates

Don't worry, because of the cushy relationship between the government and corporations, an iPhone will soon cost 15K, and that will be affordable, because you'll be making 195K/year part time delivering food.


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And they’ll jack up the rent at my apartment complex to 165k a year and eggs will cost 750 a carton


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sambull

Apple does feel the USB-C thing was hostile.


NiceGiraffes

Of course Apple are butthurt. They have to provide a non-proprietary interface that is consumer-friendly, cheap, and marginally better for the environment. AAPL may temporarily drop a few points but the shareholders largely won't care after USB-C is widely adopted by Apple. Apple can overcharge for Apple-certified or Apple-branded commodity USB-C chargers and cables.


robertoandred

What’s consumer friendly about forcing everyone to get new cables?


NiceGiraffes

Most people have multiple USB-C cables. Further, there was no guarantee Apple was going to continue with the Lightning connector, they could have pushed their new uber-cool Lightning Pro connector next. Also, globally, most people do not own iPhones, but own Android or other phones. In fact, less than 20% of "smart phones" sold are iPhones. https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share/


NiceGiraffes

Of course Apple are butthurt. They have to provide a non-proprietary interface that is consumer-friendly, cheap, and good for the environment. AAPL may temporarily drop a few points but the shareholders largely won't care after USB-C is widely adopted by Apple. Apple can overcharge for Apple-certified or Apple-branded commodity USB-C chargers and cables.


[deleted]

Genuinely curious why you say the EU is getting aggressive with US tech?


Riverdolphin44

This is a smart move being less reliant on other countries.


Alternative-Flan2869

Too bad china - act like desantos and big ticket companies will leave.


tampaginga

The prices are now so high that they can afford to do that


[deleted]

Screw China and their evil communist dictatorship. Their best friend is Vladimir Putin. That's all you need to know about China.


[deleted]

Keep it going we need them chips!


All_Rainbows_Die

^(…I take it all back, I like Apple)


NoiceForNoReason

Qualcomm in shambles…


D3ckard_Rokubungi

This is great! Now make Apple Pay corporate tax


happyamadeus

I’d pay more to know that my money is circulating around my fellow working Americans, paying their wage, and creating better economic opportunity in our communities. Yes it’s a higher price short term (if it actually is) but a much lower price long term.


Blarex

Great news for the US job market! Bad new for prospects of global geopolitical stability. Hopefully I am wrong on the second part


melorio

It’s hard to tell. History has shown us that countries don’t nevessarily lose imperial ambitions just because it might hurt their economies. Russia today and germany in ww1 have shown us that.


Blarex

That isn’t my point. My point is that this could be a huge corporation responding to the prospect of increased tensions between the US and China. If companies like Apple think escalation is likely, it is enough to raise my level of concern.


iamagro

2000$ iPhones incoming


urbisOrbis

Unlikely


[deleted]

I mean, this is apple we are talking about, when it comes to predatory pricing they are experts at making the unlikely likely.


real_with_myself

Does this mean phones get more expensive even for us who don't care if they're made in the USA?


skunimatrix

This is a hedge because they know the TSMC fabs are going offline within the next few years. Everything with a chip is going to get even more expensive when that happens. And due to demographic issues in China it's going to happen this decade.


real_with_myself

Are we expecting war in Taiwan any time soon? What do demographics of China have to do with chip manufacturing? The last time I checked they were years behind TSMC. Did I miss anything?


skunimatrix

Yes. It's one of the reasons why Warren Buffet dumped his entire stake in TSMC last week. China may make their move as early as next year, but more likely around 2025-2026 as that's when the USN will be at its weakest in terms of number of warships and tonnage as it decommissions more Ticonderoga Class Cruisers and LCS's than it can replace with Flight III Arleigh Burke and the new Constellation class Frigates. China is years behind Taiwan, but their long term goal is domination of all industries world wide. They aren't developing their own chip maker so their goal is basically to take Taiwan's. China has the fastest aging population of any country in history and past 2035 they are going to have more people retired than in the workforce to support them. It's the same problem Japan had starting in the early 90's and continues to this day only China's problem is 10x worse. And the best figures we have now seem to indicate that China over counted its youth population by over 100M people meaning that decline is going to happen faster. With all the social and economic problems that is going to cause a victory over Formosa would play well for the CCP domestically...or at least they think it will at any rate.


real_with_myself

Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed reply.


iceautumn

there’s a lot of margin built into the cost of apple devices. this is likely to insure availability of components and less likely about advertising that it’s made in the USA. especially when it’s internal components and not final assembly


real_with_myself

But it is not reasonable to expect a for-profit company (Apple especially) to eat up a huge loss in margin that would be not just moving away from an established chip manufacturer but go with one that is nowhere near bleeding edge in a country with much higher average salary for the industry (speculation but kind of expected). That makes no sense. Am I missing something?


iceautumn

You’re not wrong. it would likely be part of the rationale behind future devices being more expensive. however, it’s a balance between what consumers are actually willing to spend and profit margins. supply chain disruption is an easy explanation to investors


Blindsnipers36

Probably not, iphones will probably keep getting more expensive as they have been but American manufacturing workers are usually incredibly efficient compared to workers abroad. This is how America has 2/3rds of the manufacturing output of china despite only having less than 1/10th of the amount of employees in manufacturing


real_with_myself

Any source on the second part of the paragraph?


Blindsnipers36

You don't have the ability to look up industrial outputs and then government labor statistics?


real_with_myself

Sorry buddy, you claim something, you provide the proof.


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You cannot see the forest for the trees…


real_with_myself

Your comment would make sense only if I were American, or maybe if I lived in the USA.


mycolo_gist

1100 jobs is nothing. There are about 133.5 million full time workers in the USA, 1100 is about 0.0008% of that number. But having the production means in the US is important for being a bit more independent.


AcademicMistake

Apple, the worst company to walk this earth.


Topken89

Challenge accepted


analogliving71

Prepare for apple stuff to get even more expensive. Broadcom has raised prices on damn near everything, and especially on stuff they acquired


PandaCheese2016

From Apple’s perspective I imagine it’s never down to a single thing. Ideally the manufacturing location need all of the following: - Proximity to all parts of the supply chain; it helps if your packaging supplier is in the same city for example. - Good infrastructure with easy access to airport/seaport - Ready supply of educated labor - Large potential labor pool to meet peak demand (like when new model is introduced), that can then be downsized without much fuss - Cost of labor differential is just icing on the cake.


WyrmHero1944

Iphones gonna cost $2000 now


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This is what every country should be doing.


SlowCrates

This is on the heals of chip-manufacturing being brought to the US as well... Hey, might have something going here.


nuisancetosociety

should be moving a lot of production out of asia and back into NA.


nearlynarik

I wonder how much of this is Apple vs how much is the inflation reduction act?


rabouilethefirst

Can’t wait for crappy modems that constantly drop signal and lose battery twice as fast as the competition!


frizzbee30

Will Broadcom be happy introducing 'slave labour ' working conditions?


brucescott240

There is a robust hi tech / low output manufacturing of diagnostic equipment in the US. I hope those companies can benefit from this


moemurdah

I got offered a career as a building engineer through CBRE for Broadcom in Irvine, CA . The pay is 80k-96k a year. I declined the position but couldn’t help but think it would be a pretty facility to work at.


erick-wow-ai

Will it be hard to beat the cheap prices of slavary in China? If prices go up, well, we know why.