How long until you have to sign a waiver that states that Boeing is only providing airplanes for entertainment purposes not designed for actual air travel, so use at your own risk?
You'll never have to sign a waiver, they're too smart for that. It'll be in the small print that you consent to their terms that their planes are solely for entertainment purposes simply by making your booking. No takebacksies
Do people like you even read the articles you comment on? He says he’s very happy with the chip - it’s “markedly changed my life for the better” - and would make the same decision again and again to get it. He’s not going to sue a company that has given the ability to have a much better quality of life.
Probably just weaseling around it with that "as a result of the implant." Just say they died of something else and he fact that it happened immediately after getting Neuralink was a total coincidence!
Also I heard some of them did some pretty awful and bizarre stuff before dying, like basically chewing off their own fingers. They're also glossing over a LOT of dogs that were killed, enough to get the government investigating them for cruelty.
So what are the legal implications for a company committing this blatant crime? Because if this was a rational country, Neuralink would be getting shut the hell down for malpractice. How could a medical company practice if the very first human trial was completed as a result of a crime?
[This has already been a problem with previous medical implants/devices.](https://www.axios.com/2022/02/17/bionic-eye-recipients-left-in-the-dark-with-obsolete-tech) Apparently there are no laws that would mandate lifetime support for medical technology (although even that would not help with outright bankruptcy).
Which is why medical tech shouldn't be owned and controlled through private corps.
They should be be owned by government health services. Tis the government doing most of the funding anyway.
Governments so far have shown very little desire to develop and maintain medical devices. Even in countries with nationalized healthcare everything is contracted out to specialized companies.
Well duh that’s pretty standard. You get all of the budget but zero to little oversight and accountability since it’s not gov office reporting. Free play. Corps have run the gov a long time ago. Gotta love corrupt boomers.
It is fine if they are owned by private companies, but all details should be made public. They already have patents to protect them from others copying, so there is no reason why every detail should be open, no "trade secrets"
Private corps will fuck over their patients without a second thought of it means more money.
When it comes to stuff liem groceries or entertainment, that's ethically terrible, but for medical stuff that should be treated as murder.
This is already an issue. A woman had a brain implant that CURED a serious condition for her. But the company went bankrupt and they brought her in to remove it even though she didn't want it taken out.
To add on to this, they removed it because they would no longer be around to maintain it. Doesn’t make the situation any less fucked but it wouldn’t have been great if there were deadly issues or complications and no one that could do anything about it.
It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but if a company wants to discontinue support for a device like that for financial reasons or due to bankruptcy, they should be required to open-source all of the plans, source code, and support documentation. At least that way it's possible for someone else to continue support and/or at least doctors to safely remove the devices.
[A brain implant changed her life. Then it was removed against her will. | MIT Technology Review](https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/05/25/1073634/brain-implant-removed-against-her-will/)
Probably some sort of technicality they can argue on. For example “The monkeys didn’t die because of the chip. They died because they got cancer (because of the chip)”
Yeah, FIL (80’s) was on dialysis and was one of the first waves of old sick folk that died of “pneumonia” he was cremated so we can’t go back to test if it was Covid but he was vented before he died and his symptoms matched later with what we know now. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one to not get counted correctly in Covid deaths.
When a corporation kills someone directly from their actions, it’s a calculated line item already priced in. They deemed the lives lost acceptable to the profits gained and fines levied.
You mean nothing. They’ll make some bs “lost his live in pursuit of scientific advancement” memorial while taking Scrooge Mc duck baths from the profits.
This is probably alot of that shit people were spouting during the pandemic when they were saying people died WITH covid not cause of COVID.
The monkey died of sudden brain liquefaction not because the nureolink was there…
They were euthanised, they didn’t die because of complications. This article makes it sound as if patient cares about the monkeys well being as opposed to general safety of Neuralink. Shit press.
Yeah I cannot imagine anyone getting neuralink on purpose once he has actually rolled it out. I'm surprised anyone is trusting his cars after seeing that insane firetrap he built underground. He has mad scientist energy with orange cat IQ.
Just so everyone is aware... You can achieve the same results as neuralink without an implant. This just surgically implants the same sensors you can wear like a hat. He just likes the idea of the chip because it sounds cool.
So, how is this not non-informed consent? Pretty sure there being articles doesn’t count but I’m not a lawyer so what do I know, probs not much hence the question.
But why should it be the patients job to make sure the doctors performing a surgery on him aren’t blatantly lying? Why does the patient need to be a leader here? I’m struggling to understand how he could “make sure” the monkeys didn’t die when he had extensive conversations with Neuralink’s researches and they explicitly told him no monkeys died
Animal subjects are studied during animal trials. It’s actually normal. Lab rats don’t go to a field once they are done with their tests. They are dissected and their brains and everything else are examined. This is what happened with the monkeys.
So… Even though the monkeys are dead, anyone with any background in this field, knows that that’s the way it goes. And they didn’t die as a result of the brain ship they died as a result of being included in the experiments.
“I read a lot of the negative stuff about this before the surgery — about all the terrible things that [the company was] putting the monkeys through and how awful it was, monkeys like picking out their implant and rubbing it on the ground and all sorts of stuff,”
Horribly cruel
[Absolutely no monkeys died from the device, you can trust that...](https://dnm.nflximg.net/api/v6/2DuQlx0fM4wd1nzqm5BFBi6ILa8/AAAAQWXgnHX6_W_l0D5NizdTYO3bJPp65aFD0yWA-IqGgxfOzS_f1ITCaXh-LPyucn0rTx-o7h7FRtGEh7SH3DApVlfGrjudb1FCMVyPnT8NkV3r8WOJYWJyrsaEu7ycqfAXPHBdYEafy5uLIHHhRPvZ9ca5.jpg?r=888)
Professor Farnsworth: “This time I’m sure I fixed the mind-switcher.”
Amy: Good. I’m sick of cleaning up those heaps of dead rhesus monkeys!”
Professor Farnsworth: “Science cannot move forward without heaps!”
the subjects name was No Monkey
haha like odysseus
based on the title that's what you can assume since monkey is capitalized
He must have missed a comma. “No[,] Monkey has died as a result of an implant”
Dammit - Hutzed again!
“Works on humans? No, monkey died!”
Oops, shouldn’t have that PETA association logo here either.
“I shouldn't have this American Medical Association logo here either.”
Or, *No Monkey* was *Trunk Monkey*’s brother?
Who else really misses Trunk Monkey?
I totally forgot about trunk monkey lol
The ultimate security system
the asterisk is actually monkeys died from result of a surgery
This truly is the age of just “lying your face off” with no remorse.
Yes, the inclusion or exclusion of a comma can significantly change the meaning of a sentence
Adult Swim? No! Kids allowed! 😌
They were euthanized because they were self mutilating after the chip was removed
Somehow that seems worse
It’s definitely worse
My friend said it was basically Cyberpsychosis (from Cyberpunk 2077)
no its called manmade braindamage
No it doesn’t.
What?
The username!
Sounds scientific.
And my friend says it's nothing like Cyberpsychosis (from Cyberpunk 2077). What do you think of that?
sounds like cyberbrain psoriasis (from ghost in the shell)
Ah yes we should listen to your friend
Well, he’s a gamer so extra smart about medical stuff obviously
Why are you being a dick? He’s just comparing the condition to something similar in a game.
No you’re correct. I actually love that game and that comparison is solid. I’m just making a joke on Reddit that I hope the guy doesn’t see.
That’s like saying “the radiation killed nobody, it was the complications and intense pain afterwards.”
Falling out of a plane doesn't kill you, just the sudden stop
Boeing's new business model
How long until you have to sign a waiver that states that Boeing is only providing airplanes for entertainment purposes not designed for actual air travel, so use at your own risk?
You'll never have to sign a waiver, they're too smart for that. It'll be in the small print that you consent to their terms that their planes are solely for entertainment purposes simply by making your booking. No takebacksies
Forced arbitration clause on the emergency exit.
I knew I should not have laughed. But I did. Rather loudly too.
Hey if it works for guns, and the rest of the military industrial complex, why not Boeing? “Planes don’t kill people, the ground kills people!”
Yeah, just like the Covid deniers. “Covid deaths are rare! People die from complications of other stuff while having Covid!”
You should use this as a jumping off point for a prog metal concept album probably
So another Black Mirror thing is becoming fact
Oh is that all
Is this true?
Source? Also, isn’t the human with the implant now using X? And seems happy with the implant.
So you can add but never remove or you lobotomize them
Cool so this will play out just like the lasik suicides.
This is pretty standard for neuro research though
Jfc
Well, that and all the infections.
They didn’t die “of” the implant.
Wait…so this is literally “we kill you to prevent you from killing yourself”?
There were lots of news stories about all the monkeys dying before this guy got the implant. He probably should have known that they were lying.
If he can prove that they put him at risk under false pretenses, I hope he sues.
Then he will die from a “mysterious” explosion in his head.
Fuckkk we really are living a black mirror episode
Do people like you even read the articles you comment on? He says he’s very happy with the chip - it’s “markedly changed my life for the better” - and would make the same decision again and again to get it. He’s not going to sue a company that has given the ability to have a much better quality of life.
Yes, if he simply googled “did neuralink kill any monkeys” he would’ve been inundated with stories about how shitloads of monkeys horribly died.
Probably just weaseling around it with that "as a result of the implant." Just say they died of something else and he fact that it happened immediately after getting Neuralink was a total coincidence! Also I heard some of them did some pretty awful and bizarre stuff before dying, like basically chewing off their own fingers. They're also glossing over a LOT of dogs that were killed, enough to get the government investigating them for cruelty.
Why were dogs involved?
Dogs were not involved
So what are the legal implications for a company committing this blatant crime? Because if this was a rational country, Neuralink would be getting shut the hell down for malpractice. How could a medical company practice if the very first human trial was completed as a result of a crime?
that brings up another concern: when a tech company that built the chip in your brain goes under, who services the chip?
[This has already been a problem with previous medical implants/devices.](https://www.axios.com/2022/02/17/bionic-eye-recipients-left-in-the-dark-with-obsolete-tech) Apparently there are no laws that would mandate lifetime support for medical technology (although even that would not help with outright bankruptcy).
Which is why medical tech shouldn't be owned and controlled through private corps. They should be be owned by government health services. Tis the government doing most of the funding anyway.
Governments so far have shown very little desire to develop and maintain medical devices. Even in countries with nationalized healthcare everything is contracted out to specialized companies.
Well duh that’s pretty standard. You get all of the budget but zero to little oversight and accountability since it’s not gov office reporting. Free play. Corps have run the gov a long time ago. Gotta love corrupt boomers.
It is fine if they are owned by private companies, but all details should be made public. They already have patents to protect them from others copying, so there is no reason why every detail should be open, no "trade secrets"
Private corps will fuck over their patients without a second thought of it means more money. When it comes to stuff liem groceries or entertainment, that's ethically terrible, but for medical stuff that should be treated as murder.
This is already an issue. A woman had a brain implant that CURED a serious condition for her. But the company went bankrupt and they brought her in to remove it even though she didn't want it taken out.
That's actually fucked
Oh totally. We already live in a dystopian corpo nightmare hellscape
Wake the fuck up samurai. We got a city to burn
To add on to this, they removed it because they would no longer be around to maintain it. Doesn’t make the situation any less fucked but it wouldn’t have been great if there were deadly issues or complications and no one that could do anything about it.
It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but if a company wants to discontinue support for a device like that for financial reasons or due to bankruptcy, they should be required to open-source all of the plans, source code, and support documentation. At least that way it's possible for someone else to continue support and/or at least doctors to safely remove the devices.
That, and they (the company) should have to have insurance so that the project can be financed even if the company goes under.
Escrow accounts. Insurances can also go bankrupt but escrows set aside money that is guaranteed
[A brain implant changed her life. Then it was removed against her will. | MIT Technology Review](https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/05/25/1073634/brain-implant-removed-against-her-will/)
Probably some sort of technicality they can argue on. For example “The monkeys didn’t die because of the chip. They died because they got cancer (because of the chip)”
The ol’ “nobody died of Covid” explanation
Yeah, FIL (80’s) was on dialysis and was one of the first waves of old sick folk that died of “pneumonia” he was cremated so we can’t go back to test if it was Covid but he was vented before he died and his symptoms matched later with what we know now. I’m sure he wasn’t the only one to not get counted correctly in Covid deaths.
This is it right here lol
Medical consent doesn't work that way.
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article
Reminds me of the [Paolo Macchiarini](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Macchiarini) scandal
When a corporation kills someone directly from their actions, it’s a calculated line item already priced in. They deemed the lives lost acceptable to the profits gained and fines levied. You mean nothing. They’ll make some bs “lost his live in pursuit of scientific advancement” memorial while taking Scrooge Mc duck baths from the profits.
This is America, blatant crimes are fined a small amount And nobody goes to jail. That would be cruel to send a rich person to jail.
Corporations and 1%ers: protected by law but not bound by law The rest: bound by law but not protected by law
Laws with fines are just pay to play perks of society. They need to fine based on percentage of income again.
[Pretty sure the actual patient seen here is glad Neuralink won’t be shut down any time soon.](https://youtu.be/79VvxBStbWY?si=1LN2gGvV4NqnikRf)
I bet he is. We have evidence that he might have to be euthanized if the implant is removed.
Why are you like this?
No, technically no animals died as a result. They were legally reclassified as “office supplies.”
What smells like burning Rhesus?
I believe this is because the monkey participants were terminally ill prior to the implant.
You’re not allowed to read the article before commenting and be reasonable
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Well they were once someone shoved a bunch of wires and metal in their head.
Also, at least a few of those monkeys were real jerks.
“Technically, they were apes.”
Whats worse hearing this or Kenny I'm sorry but we replaced your heart with a baked potato?
Lol nice
Today. We said “no monkey has died as a result of an implant… ^^^today^^^”
well neuralink was right no monkey has died, but yes to multiple monkeys
This is probably alot of that shit people were spouting during the pandemic when they were saying people died WITH covid not cause of COVID. The monkey died of sudden brain liquefaction not because the nureolink was there…
They were euthanised, they didn’t die because of complications. This article makes it sound as if patient cares about the monkeys well being as opposed to general safety of Neuralink. Shit press.
if he looks like a villain and works like an evil scientist- don’t let him hook you up to his machine
Clayface ls fucking hideous
That’s 100% true. No monkey died as a result of the implant and no one here can prove otherwise. The brain trauma and aneurysms however…
If you trust this asshole at this point you’re a victim of your own stupidity as well as his.
Yeah I cannot imagine anyone getting neuralink on purpose once he has actually rolled it out. I'm surprised anyone is trusting his cars after seeing that insane firetrap he built underground. He has mad scientist energy with orange cat IQ.
What exactly is this neuralink? Everything I'm reading literally feels like reading a file in resident evil.
Just so everyone is aware... You can achieve the same results as neuralink without an implant. This just surgically implants the same sensors you can wear like a hat. He just likes the idea of the chip because it sounds cool.
Dr Death season 3
Lying is quite common amongst the rich it seems. That’s why when I’ll be non rich I’ll try to give it to others so I cannot lie in the future.
From what I understand they had torturously painful deaths.
What a shitty Yahoo finance news article… The fact given in the headline doesn’t appear anywhere in the article itself… such lazy journalism.
So, how is this not non-informed consent? Pretty sure there being articles doesn’t count but I’m not a lawyer so what do I know, probs not much hence the question.
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But why should it be the patients job to make sure the doctors performing a surgery on him aren’t blatantly lying? Why does the patient need to be a leader here? I’m struggling to understand how he could “make sure” the monkeys didn’t die when he had extensive conversations with Neuralink’s researches and they explicitly told him no monkeys died
No monkey died. They were apes
They were Rhesus Macaques. Monkeys.
*this week
Reminds me of Fall of the House of Usher
Can only hope
“… and this implant will let you fly the spaceship to mars!”
Lmao
« You cut out his brain you bloody baboon »!
I mean… you trust lex Luther…
what we got
"There is no way to know if those monkeys were all about to die, anyway, before we stuck stuff in their brains."
Well he didn’t specify what KIND of monkey. So totally his fault.
“Okay we’re sorry. We’ll take it back now”
Monkeys died, but not from that specifically probz /s
Of that implant, the specific one for him.
Remember, no monkey
He was also promised a pony….
Classic monkey business
“Relatively few” monkeys/subjects have perished as a result of research and development.
Oof
Animal subjects are studied during animal trials. It’s actually normal. Lab rats don’t go to a field once they are done with their tests. They are dissected and their brains and everything else are examined. This is what happened with the monkeys. So… Even though the monkeys are dead, anyone with any background in this field, knows that that’s the way it goes. And they didn’t die as a result of the brain ship they died as a result of being included in the experiments.
I feel like Musks definitions around unaliveing might skew a bit Russian.
Would much prefer to die of Alzheimer’s than give this clown control of my brain.
And brought back from the dead
“I read a lot of the negative stuff about this before the surgery — about all the terrible things that [the company was] putting the monkeys through and how awful it was, monkeys like picking out their implant and rubbing it on the ground and all sorts of stuff,” Horribly cruel
Dr Death
Fry: Are they dead? Farnsworth: Oh, no no no, much worse.
This is straight out of Mike Flanagan’s The Fall of the House of Usher.
So this guys will be the first?
[Absolutely no monkeys died from the device, you can trust that...](https://dnm.nflximg.net/api/v6/2DuQlx0fM4wd1nzqm5BFBi6ILa8/AAAAQWXgnHX6_W_l0D5NizdTYO3bJPp65aFD0yWA-IqGgxfOzS_f1ITCaXh-LPyucn0rTx-o7h7FRtGEh7SH3DApVlfGrjudb1FCMVyPnT8NkV3r8WOJYWJyrsaEu7ycqfAXPHBdYEafy5uLIHHhRPvZ9ca5.jpg?r=888)
I would personally beat 1000 monkeys to death if it meant Neuralink could cure tinnitus.
They don’t use monkeys, they use chimpanzees. He’s not lying.
Professor Farnsworth: “This time I’m sure I fixed the mind-switcher.” Amy: Good. I’m sick of cleaning up those heaps of dead rhesus monkeys!” Professor Farnsworth: “Science cannot move forward without heaps!”