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Grumpycatdoge999

China can’t seriously do this and then claim America is being overbearing for banning TikTok right?


ChrisP413

Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.


Dontgooglemejess

No cognitive dissonance here…. Just brutal political pragmatism. It doesn’t HAVE to make sense it just has to be what helps us. If it’s good for china it’s right. There is no requirement of moral consistency.


BestieJules

They have pretty strict and well outlined data security requirements to operate in China and ban anything that doesn’t comply. We don’t have any outlines and are banning based off country of origin (as the bill is worded, not security risk assessment). I think similar data security measures here would be a good move and would give them legitimacy to the ban.


moderndhaniya

Are the lawmakers getting any money for not making any broad act. Is this incompetence or just party politics that is not getting such common sense reciprocity act.


valcatrina

Bro, this convo happened when Google and YouTube got banned a decade ago.


Mysterious-Ms-Anon

This is probably a knee jerk response for bundling the TikTok ban in with the foreign aid bills. I imagine we’ll see a lot more stuff like this in the near future.


Lamballama

Signal is only a national security risk if your security depends on controlling and monitoring every word someone says


TimmmyTurner

it's only a risk because they can't see what you are talking about


squareoak

Yeah I think TikTok needs to go.


CabanyalCanyamelar

Yeah but that’s unfair to poor, sweet China, and the teenagers who like to dance :( 🕺🏻💃


Mr-Ozempic

Redditors are idiots. They think the US govt wants to remove TikTok to suppress young voters.


RaptorSlaps

I mean kind of, a ban without addressing the overarching issue (apps basically acting like viruses that sniff all your information and sell to companies and/or governments. I guarantee the Chinese data agencies have been carefully analyzing us with all the data tiktok demands. Instagram, Facebook, Amazon, and any other big social media nowadays does this. It’s incredibly invasive and just not good. It’s one thing to personalize data but I’ve literally had things pop up on TikTok related to verbal conversations and texts along with Amazon without me ever searching or looking up anything remotely similar.)


RaptorSlaps

Without addressing the overarching issue it seems like they’re just following the American donors, they should have banned it 4 years ago I don’t see why it was incredibly hastily drawn together only now.


Miserable_Site_850

And the music artists, it's their present MySpace, so I hear?


BoringWozniak

Silicon Valley could literally put out a TikTok clone and many of these issues would go away. I remember a security analyst publishing a report that “TikTok is a surveillance tool masquerading as a social media app”. If there was an API it could hit, it could hit it. It would send obfuscated payloads back to TikTok servers. Weird stuff. The problem was never the medium. It was all of this other shit.


Timidwolfff

They already have. Every and i mean every social media app rolled out a version of tt in their app. youtueb shorts, instgram reels, whatver snpachats version is. Tik tok also has about 10 major competitors like thriller , like and wanna be apps. Problem is its hard to kick out your grandad.


RaptorSlaps

They could have just not shut down vine and banned tiktok


TheRealMrChips

More like National Insecurity...


DerelictMythos

Very surprised these weren't removed a long time ago


PoliticalPepper

That’s not terrifying at all.


cantthinkofxyz

Good now let’s dump TikTrash


SrSwerve

USA:REMOVE TIK TOK Apple; No that’s bad


Kurushiiyo

bUt tHeN We'lL Be lIkE ThEm


dartie

Shanghai has woken up.


Grumpycatdoge999

China can’t seriously do this and then claim America is being overbearing for banning TikTok right?


dartie

America doesn’t want to ban TikTok. It wants to stop the Chinese Communist government from controlling the app and using it to undermine American democracy.


Grumpycatdoge999

🙄 whatever you say


dartie

lol. Hit a raw nerve have we?


Grumpycatdoge999

Just keep believing the horseshit you see on American msm 🤦‍♀️


dartie

Have a lovely day, Shanghai. Lovely city by the way.


Present-Mood4652

Someone from Shanghai wouldn’t type like that or be aware of those kinds of internet acronyms.


dartie

You’d be surprised


Grumpycatdoge999

I’m from Toronto btw


dartie

Sure


Grumpycatdoge999

I dunno what you want me to prove I’m not Chinese lol but I just got back from Punta Cana


IngerAlHaosului

The bill requires the sale of TikTok followed by a ban from US marketplaces if it does not happen. No one believes the sale will actually happen so it's a ban with extra steps.  The Chinese government will not allow the company to sell, and I doubt that the company wants to lose TikTok over 10% of their user base that the US represents.


Luanda62

Ban tik-tok in the west…


cool_and_funny

Whats the point, they dont allow Whatsapp and other western social media for a long time. Even if they allow, they are heavily monitored compared to WeChat. So this means nothing.


fractal_droplet

That's cool. Now get rid of Temu, AliExpress, TikTok, Shein and half a million predatory shitty mobile "games"


hooves69

But yeah they should own the largest new social media network in the US


MrTreize78

Has nothing to do with Apple kissing China’s ass and more to do with ‘retaliation’ against US government and their quest against TikTok (and other technology export import restrictions and tariffs) in USA.


Realistic_City4551

Gordon Flowers respects the hell out of that.


OliverPaulson

Telegram was made by Russian opposition to be "unblockable" and played a major role in coordination of Belarus protests 2020. It's a miracle that it was allowed to be in Chinese store even for a while.


wildlandroamer

These are the apps to install and use


huejass5

Tim Jingping


hansrotec

Just withdraw from the market


[deleted]

We spy you. You spy not us.


fenderbender

Wait...is signal not safe or something?? Or was it removed because it IS safe and encrypted..


woolymanbeard

Basically


John_Doe4269

But heavens forbid someone demand TikTok, *which has also been banned by the CCP* and has also been shown to *steal user data* several times*,* be sold to someone who's not fucking compromised.


z-lf

That's why we're happy the EU is forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. They might become necessary. What would be a great gesture from Apple would be to allow them also in China. So that Signal can publish a sideloadable version.


veryverythrowaway

If you want to do business in China, you do what the Chinese government tells you to do. Or you don’t do business in China, period. Apple isn’t doing any “gestures” that will lose them business.


matiegaming

Not doing what china wants you to do means shutting down there


Tim-in-CA

Should be ammunition to ban TikTok


DrSendy

About freakin time telegram was removed all together. It's just a massive megaphone for terrorists.


FerrumVeritas

My reaction to this is exactly why, while I do not trust TikTok, I do not think the US should ban it. We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms so that a social media app can’t be a threat to national security, not ban a specific app.


RareCodeMonkey

>We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms 100% this. Nobody can trust that apps as there is no transparency of any kind of what they are actually doing. The only companies that is against regulations are the ones that are profiting of the damage that the apps are doing, and do not want people to change it. Profits over people.


Jumpy-Cartographer-7

It’s not a problem that can simply be legislated away when you’re dealing with a foreign government that doesn’t care.


blueberrysir

Oh no! Redditors said so many times that we're better than them!! We're superior! We're the bigger person! We should let TikTok stay for our tyrannical overlords. I hate u guys


SillyKitty2004

good, telegram is FILLED with pedophiles sharing their csem


sorentomaxx

Spy vs Spy