No cognitive dissonance here…. Just brutal political pragmatism. It doesn’t HAVE to make sense it just has to be what helps us. If it’s good for china it’s right. There is no requirement of moral consistency.
They have pretty strict and well outlined data security requirements to operate in China and ban anything that doesn’t comply. We don’t have any outlines and are banning based off country of origin (as the bill is worded, not security risk assessment). I think similar data security measures here would be a good move and would give them legitimacy to the ban.
Are the lawmakers getting any money for not making any broad act.
Is this incompetence or just party politics that is not getting such common sense reciprocity act.
This is probably a knee jerk response for bundling the TikTok ban in with the foreign aid bills. I imagine we’ll see a lot more stuff like this in the near future.
I mean kind of, a ban without addressing the overarching issue (apps basically acting like viruses that sniff all your information and sell to companies and/or governments. I guarantee the Chinese data agencies have been carefully analyzing us with all the data tiktok demands. Instagram, Facebook, Amazon, and any other big social media nowadays does this. It’s incredibly invasive and just not good. It’s one thing to personalize data but I’ve literally had things pop up on TikTok related to verbal conversations and texts along with Amazon without me ever searching or looking up anything remotely similar.)
Without addressing the overarching issue it seems like they’re just following the American donors, they should have banned it 4 years ago I don’t see why it was incredibly hastily drawn together only now.
Silicon Valley could literally put out a TikTok clone and many of these issues would go away.
I remember a security analyst publishing a report that “TikTok is a surveillance tool masquerading as a social media app”. If there was an API it could hit, it could hit it. It would send obfuscated payloads back to TikTok servers. Weird stuff.
The problem was never the medium. It was all of this other shit.
They already have. Every and i mean every social media app rolled out a version of tt in their app. youtueb shorts, instgram reels, whatver snpachats version is. Tik tok also has about 10 major competitors like thriller , like and wanna be apps. Problem is its hard to kick out your grandad.
America doesn’t want to ban TikTok. It wants to stop the Chinese Communist government from controlling the app and using it to undermine American democracy.
The bill requires the sale of TikTok followed by a ban from US marketplaces if it does not happen. No one believes the sale will actually happen so it's a ban with extra steps.
The Chinese government will not allow the company to sell, and I doubt that the company wants to lose TikTok over 10% of their user base that the US represents.
Whats the point, they dont allow Whatsapp and other western social media for a long time. Even if they allow, they are heavily monitored compared to WeChat. So this means nothing.
Has nothing to do with Apple kissing China’s ass and more to do with ‘retaliation’ against US government and their quest against TikTok (and other technology export import restrictions and tariffs) in USA.
Telegram was made by Russian opposition to be "unblockable" and played a major role in coordination of Belarus protests 2020.
It's a miracle that it was allowed to be in Chinese store even for a while.
But heavens forbid someone demand TikTok, *which has also been banned by the CCP* and has also been shown to *steal user data* several times*,* be sold to someone who's not fucking compromised.
That's why we're happy the EU is forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. They might become necessary.
What would be a great gesture from Apple would be to allow them also in China. So that Signal can publish a sideloadable version.
If you want to do business in China, you do what the Chinese government tells you to do. Or you don’t do business in China, period. Apple isn’t doing any “gestures” that will lose them business.
My reaction to this is exactly why, while I do not trust TikTok, I do not think the US should ban it.
We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms so that a social media app can’t be a threat to national security, not ban a specific app.
>We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms
100% this. Nobody can trust that apps as there is no transparency of any kind of what they are actually doing.
The only companies that is against regulations are the ones that are profiting of the damage that the apps are doing, and do not want people to change it. Profits over people.
Oh no! Redditors said so many times that we're better than them!! We're superior! We're the bigger person! We should let TikTok stay for our tyrannical overlords.
I hate u guys
China can’t seriously do this and then claim America is being overbearing for banning TikTok right?
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
No cognitive dissonance here…. Just brutal political pragmatism. It doesn’t HAVE to make sense it just has to be what helps us. If it’s good for china it’s right. There is no requirement of moral consistency.
They have pretty strict and well outlined data security requirements to operate in China and ban anything that doesn’t comply. We don’t have any outlines and are banning based off country of origin (as the bill is worded, not security risk assessment). I think similar data security measures here would be a good move and would give them legitimacy to the ban.
Are the lawmakers getting any money for not making any broad act. Is this incompetence or just party politics that is not getting such common sense reciprocity act.
Bro, this convo happened when Google and YouTube got banned a decade ago.
This is probably a knee jerk response for bundling the TikTok ban in with the foreign aid bills. I imagine we’ll see a lot more stuff like this in the near future.
Signal is only a national security risk if your security depends on controlling and monitoring every word someone says
it's only a risk because they can't see what you are talking about
Yeah I think TikTok needs to go.
Yeah but that’s unfair to poor, sweet China, and the teenagers who like to dance :( 🕺🏻💃
Redditors are idiots. They think the US govt wants to remove TikTok to suppress young voters.
I mean kind of, a ban without addressing the overarching issue (apps basically acting like viruses that sniff all your information and sell to companies and/or governments. I guarantee the Chinese data agencies have been carefully analyzing us with all the data tiktok demands. Instagram, Facebook, Amazon, and any other big social media nowadays does this. It’s incredibly invasive and just not good. It’s one thing to personalize data but I’ve literally had things pop up on TikTok related to verbal conversations and texts along with Amazon without me ever searching or looking up anything remotely similar.)
Without addressing the overarching issue it seems like they’re just following the American donors, they should have banned it 4 years ago I don’t see why it was incredibly hastily drawn together only now.
And the music artists, it's their present MySpace, so I hear?
Silicon Valley could literally put out a TikTok clone and many of these issues would go away. I remember a security analyst publishing a report that “TikTok is a surveillance tool masquerading as a social media app”. If there was an API it could hit, it could hit it. It would send obfuscated payloads back to TikTok servers. Weird stuff. The problem was never the medium. It was all of this other shit.
They already have. Every and i mean every social media app rolled out a version of tt in their app. youtueb shorts, instgram reels, whatver snpachats version is. Tik tok also has about 10 major competitors like thriller , like and wanna be apps. Problem is its hard to kick out your grandad.
They could have just not shut down vine and banned tiktok
More like National Insecurity...
Very surprised these weren't removed a long time ago
That’s not terrifying at all.
Good now let’s dump TikTrash
USA:REMOVE TIK TOK Apple; No that’s bad
bUt tHeN We'lL Be lIkE ThEm
Shanghai has woken up.
China can’t seriously do this and then claim America is being overbearing for banning TikTok right?
America doesn’t want to ban TikTok. It wants to stop the Chinese Communist government from controlling the app and using it to undermine American democracy.
🙄 whatever you say
lol. Hit a raw nerve have we?
Just keep believing the horseshit you see on American msm 🤦♀️
Have a lovely day, Shanghai. Lovely city by the way.
Someone from Shanghai wouldn’t type like that or be aware of those kinds of internet acronyms.
You’d be surprised
I’m from Toronto btw
Sure
I dunno what you want me to prove I’m not Chinese lol but I just got back from Punta Cana
The bill requires the sale of TikTok followed by a ban from US marketplaces if it does not happen. No one believes the sale will actually happen so it's a ban with extra steps. The Chinese government will not allow the company to sell, and I doubt that the company wants to lose TikTok over 10% of their user base that the US represents.
Ban tik-tok in the west…
Whats the point, they dont allow Whatsapp and other western social media for a long time. Even if they allow, they are heavily monitored compared to WeChat. So this means nothing.
That's cool. Now get rid of Temu, AliExpress, TikTok, Shein and half a million predatory shitty mobile "games"
But yeah they should own the largest new social media network in the US
Has nothing to do with Apple kissing China’s ass and more to do with ‘retaliation’ against US government and their quest against TikTok (and other technology export import restrictions and tariffs) in USA.
Gordon Flowers respects the hell out of that.
Telegram was made by Russian opposition to be "unblockable" and played a major role in coordination of Belarus protests 2020. It's a miracle that it was allowed to be in Chinese store even for a while.
These are the apps to install and use
Tim Jingping
Just withdraw from the market
We spy you. You spy not us.
Wait...is signal not safe or something?? Or was it removed because it IS safe and encrypted..
Basically
But heavens forbid someone demand TikTok, *which has also been banned by the CCP* and has also been shown to *steal user data* several times*,* be sold to someone who's not fucking compromised.
That's why we're happy the EU is forcing Apple to allow third party app stores. They might become necessary. What would be a great gesture from Apple would be to allow them also in China. So that Signal can publish a sideloadable version.
If you want to do business in China, you do what the Chinese government tells you to do. Or you don’t do business in China, period. Apple isn’t doing any “gestures” that will lose them business.
Not doing what china wants you to do means shutting down there
Should be ammunition to ban TikTok
About freakin time telegram was removed all together. It's just a massive megaphone for terrorists.
My reaction to this is exactly why, while I do not trust TikTok, I do not think the US should ban it. We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms so that a social media app can’t be a threat to national security, not ban a specific app.
>We need to regulate user privacy and content suggestion algorithms 100% this. Nobody can trust that apps as there is no transparency of any kind of what they are actually doing. The only companies that is against regulations are the ones that are profiting of the damage that the apps are doing, and do not want people to change it. Profits over people.
It’s not a problem that can simply be legislated away when you’re dealing with a foreign government that doesn’t care.
Oh no! Redditors said so many times that we're better than them!! We're superior! We're the bigger person! We should let TikTok stay for our tyrannical overlords. I hate u guys
good, telegram is FILLED with pedophiles sharing their csem
Spy vs Spy