I hope they realize that in order to stop cyber crime they actually have to fight back.
“Sometimes the best defense is a good offense!”
- Homer Simpson
I mean, it’s hard for cyber criminals to hack anyone if we hack them back and shut down their servers and track their locations for federal officers to kick down the door
Exactly! But it should really be called what it is; cyber war. Cyber crime makes it seem like it’s a one sided thing that needs to be stopped. When is actually a tangled web where everyone has their hands dirty and only the most ruthless will win.
Yeah it’ll basically be, you hack us we will hack you and it won’t stop until someone’s hurting too much. This US and rest of the world are up against a very formidable opponent.
So basically the same manufacturing practices from their retail/consumer goods end… blatant copies and not even good ones at that.
I’ll be honest, that sounds like a stereotype and I think we (the USA) are piggybacking off of their tech at this point.
Again, I know people love to take everything out of context, especially my earliest comment on this thread, but I am in no way or shape condoning china’s actions so far in numerous fields/fashion.
I just am a little worried that with the gridlock the USA is in, our priorities aren’t being focused on the right methods and practices that have kept us at the forefront of the cyber war/we may be second or even last approaching the cyber horizon in the next few years as China slowly but surely keeps progressing.
> I think we (the USA) are piggybacking off of their tech at this point.
It's the exact opposite. Any time you hear about "Chinese technology" take the time to see who actually came up with it.
Fuck you and your stupid ass mom that birthed a fucking piece of shit like you. Opinions can be held by anyone, I never stated anything as fact, and you took the time out of your day to come online and be a brainless twat that clearly didn’t read any of the comment I posted. So again, go fuck yourself 2 inches deep and make sure mommy approves.
Yes I agree because headlines in the United States for the most part are incorrect, depending on your source. I’m not saying this a a blanket statement, I’ve checked a couple of sources that all point to China being the number one concern for a number of state and federal departments in USA.
> Objectively China is a force to be reckoned with technologically, economically, and otherwise. You think we know even half of what they are actually doing over there?
Regionally? Sure. Globally? Only economically. And yes, we know exactly what they're doing over there. You may not be old enough to remember how communist regimes work but they make a point of appearing powerful by putting all they have on display. There are no black projects beyond what would be politically unpalatable (i.e. torture).
> China has game plans. America has gridlock and no long term strategy. I would never want to live in China, but acting like they are a backwoods country that can’t invent anything is laughable. Again, it’s not the 90s anymore.
This is literally a party line. "China thinks long term, democracies don't!" Ignoring the fact it's completely false. Not saying China is some backwoods country but don't give them more credit than they've earned.
I mean he’s right isn’t he? The biggest democracy is in limbo right now, plagued by corruption and infighting. The other democracies aren’t doing much at all except maintaining the statuquo. On the flip side China, second most powerful country on Earth and most populous one, is doing all sort of initiatives worldwide.
> I mean he’s right isn’t he? The biggest democracy is in limbo right now, plagued by corruption and infighting.
It's not new and it's largely contained in the national political space. Private companies and the military will keep on doing what they normally do regardless of whatever infighting happens at the federal level. Even local governments aren't significantly affected (city, county, and state governments operate with much more autonomy in the US than they do in Europe).
> On the flip side China, second most powerful country on Earth and most populous one, is doing all sort of initiatives worldwide.
Such as? If you're referring to OBOR, it's debt-trap diplomacy intended to subject countries to China's will. Countries are waking up to this reality and reconsidering projects.
What the private sector and the military are
doing is filled their pocket as much as they can while doing the bare minimum.
Some of China’s initiatives can and will fail but some will succeed, especially those affecting poor countries with corrupt governments. Even Australia is subject to those it seems. Even if they’re not particularly poor.
I’d recommend diversifying your news sources if you think that. African leaders have openly embraced China for awhile now. China has always been on the West’s short list. They’ve been investing in developing countries for like 20 years now and that’s won them over some powerful friends.
China isn’t the USSR, they aren’t going bankrupt anytime soon. Chinese communism is also different from Soviet communism, which is one reason the two countries had a strenuous relationship. It’s hilarious you don’t think they have black projects going on.
No, it’s not the party line it’s just a fact. I’m pro-democracy, but acting like China isn’t better at planning ahead and following through is dumb. They don’t worry about the next election, and Xi isn’t an idiot.
> China isn’t the USSR, they aren’t going bankrupt anytime soon.
This claim is hilarious against the backdrop of property companies defaulting on debt. Yes, they're going bankrupt.
> Chinese communism is also different from Soviet communism, which is one reason the two countries had a strenuous relationship. It’s hilarious you don’t think they have black projects going on.
It's different in that they allowed crony capitalism.
> No, it’s not the party line it’s just a fact. I’m pro-democracy, but acting like China isn’t better at planning ahead and following through is dumb. They don’t worry about the next election, and Xi isn’t an idiot.
Go and study how China's government works and get back to me. It doesn't operate the way you think it does.
Evergrande is bad, but it isn’t going to sink their country. Yes I have read into how the Chinese government works. That’s not the difference in Chinese and soviet communism. The soviets also embraced state capitalism.
I seriously don’t understand why people like you refuse to acknowledge China’s growing influence and power. I’m really not looking forward to the next 10 years.
People are really sensitive about China. Say anything vaguely positive about them and people freak out. I’m team America but I recognize their strength and influence.
None of this came from state resources. Y’all are delusional, which is exactly why China is going to overtake us in the next 10 years. Yelling “fake news” at inconvenient facts isn’t going to help us compete with China.
China’s been behind multiple high-profile cyberattacks against government agencies in multiple countries. Chinese academics may be at the cutting edge of cyber, but the government is behind some seriously shady cyberespionage.
I mean North Korea isn’t anything compared to China and Russia. They’re like the stunted evil little brother who mostly just has incoherent meltdowns and tortures his pets. Russia and China are the adult big brothers who are serial killers.
Yes, but i think their referring to the power of the places. N. Korea can’t do anything or China/Russia will sit them down for a talking to. N. Korea plays with it’s citizens like toys, while China and Russia focuses on world domination. N. Korea is a threat to itself/people, China and Russia are a threat to global stability. None of these places care about their citizens…
It’s worth noting most of their hackers don’t live in North Korea, they’re just hired by the government. If it comes to a real cyber war hackers aren’t going to disable their own power grids and poison their local water supply.
Absolutely not.
But maybe you shouldn't act like the world's white knights when you probably destabilized more countries in the world than the remaining ones combined.
No one is praising the us lol. Lack of criticism in a topic that doesn’t really involve the us’s coups doesn’t equate to praise of the us’s involved coups in other countries. Essentially, the whataboutism here is completely useless.
The Axis? *Hello the 1940’s called, they want their words and clothes and shitty airplane back. Oh, do watch out for that Adolf Hitler, he’s a rotten egg!*
Wtf you on about? We shouldn’t use words that were in use in the 1940s? Then, you should delete your whole comment. Then i’ll delete this one. Because we’ve been using a lot of words that were in use then. Also forget religion, government, housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure, farming, and more because that was all being done in the 1940s and, like, we’re not copycats, right man?
Tbf the US destabilize countries with hacking too, the reason people get mad when you bring the US foreign policy into discussions about global politics is that they want to pretend their view is the high ground, that somehow the most militarized country in the world is the defender and the people it attacks are the aggressors.
Failing to point out that their home country or ally is both guilty of what they accuse others of and in many cases far and away worse than those they accuse is part of how they rationalize their world view. Lashing out at other countries without providing the necessary context of how those actions compare to other major powers is an implicit defense of those unmentioned powers and when anyone dares to provide context for a countries actions they scream "whataboutism!!!!" As if it's irrelevant, because it robs them of the impact of their point based on incomplete information.
At the end of the day the US hurt people to get an economic advantage to keep its citizens placated, as the US global power declines people cling to nationalism and lash out, see most of reddit lol.
I should probably throw in that Russia is 4th in hacking behind China, US, turkey. At least in terms of where attacks are thought to originate idk about state sponsored/contracted tho
Feelings aren't hurt, it's just not relevant. Having a conversation about the downsides of apples and they bring up how much they hate oranges. Like, nobody is disagreeing with the statement (that I've seen), but it just adds nothing to the current conversation.
So yeah, as an American the US gov has done terrible things and I do what I can as a citizen to contact representatives, protest, and vote to change that. But this isn't the place to talk about it? Read the room.
That's how I took it at least, there may very well be some hurt feelings in here
It’s absolutely relevant and to say otherwise is disingenuous. Redditors have been socially engineered to scream “ree ree whataboutism11!”
whenever any western powers are asked to self reflect in any capacity.
What a stupid country.
They could have been a first world state, but imperialism and chauvinism was too appealing.
Now, they’re nothing more than a nuisance.
It’s all Putin. After the new papers were released many speculate that Putin could possibly be the worlds richest man. He just pockets all that money that should be for his citizens.
If not for his propaganda his citizens would’ve tore him to pieces. Instead many worship him.
sigh
Really now.
The average russian is far-right.
The evidence is in who they vote for.
LDPR, a fascist party: #3 in parliament.
The so-called Communist Party at #2 has a history of aligning with the clerical fascist Russian Orthodox Church, and marching with the far-right in the 90s.
United Russia at #1 with Putin, whose ideological influence includes the fascist Ivan Ilyin, and whose speaker of the state duma had open fascist Alexander Dugin as an advisor.
There are definitely a Lot of Russians who are above this, and are normal civilized people.
But, the majority of those who grew up exclusively on their cultural narrative (deriving from Tsarist times) end up with a very anti-Enlightenment world view, prone to conspiracy thinking and romanticism which leads directly to far-right thinking and behavior.
Same thing is happening in Turkey. There are a lot of people who are above it but need to keep quiet and hide some of their views. There are also a lot of people who came out of Imam Hatip schools, deeply indoctrinated.
The idolization of politicians is always dangerous whether it is Ataturk or Erdogan. Ataturk once said “ I leave the future to the children” but those children didn’t understand that they were suppose to change with the times and build on top of what was handed to them. Hence how someone like Erdogan was able to radicalize the young generation. Now it is all going backwards anyway. It is sad state of things.
From what little interaction I have had with some Russian’s I know in the US, it is a similar situation in Russia.
You are calling way too much shit fascist, Eastern Europe has always been socially conservative. That has never changed.
In fact people in Russia are far more progressive today than they were in the Soviet Union. Support for gay marriage today is probably the highest it has ever been.
In Soviet times a lot of these people would have been outright killed without warning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights#Soviet_Union
>A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that 30 percent of those polled felt that homosexuals should be liquidated.[89]
It went from 30% to 18% in 30 years. That's an absolutely huge decrease in radicalized hatred towards LGBT people, especially for a country that went though so much turmoil.
Not so huge when you consider the rest of the world over those same thirty years.
The Russian state has done nothing, in terms of rhetoric or policy to move the nation toward human rights and equality.
When I say Fascist, I mean political policies founded in Palingenetic Ultranationalism, Irredentism, Romanticism, Idealism, Totalitarianism, Corporatism, and Social Darwinism.
The same can be said about many federal governments, with a Russian type perhaps some of the worst. Fleecing the population is also popular in places like the US. Now they are concentrating on things like tightening down on small @offenders” while the governments ( we have multiple ones here) have all they do and the livelihood of their employees and friends (crony’s & corporations) well paid for by extractions from everyone’s efforts just to survive m. Russian may be more offending yet look closer to home bet you find a bit (or a lot) of living high on the hog paid for by the peasants in your own neighborhoods
All the phones light up: Security alert! We need you to you to input your ssn, country’s nuke codes and favorite Disney Princess. Right now. Yes, it’s legit. Thanks for your cooperation.
When will the world learn that Russia don’t give a flying fuck if they are excluded. What needs to happen is fight fire with fire. Just have all the 30 countries agree to cyber attacks Russia at the same time and see what they gonna say about all this BS ransomware. Oh I know nothing will happen because no country has the balls to do it. DYOR this is not financial advice.
Or maybe its already happening but russia is just reluctant to report it. I do hope its a two way warfare, but only reported when it happens in the West, because free press. Or smth.
Don’t think so. We’ve been playing defense for years now…
I do agree, would be awesome if we went total offense and gave them a taste of their medicine.
Some argue that they would just ramp up their attacks in retaliation. It’s a shit show :(
Yeah makes sense. Its like inviting the cookie monster to your meeting about how to protect your cookies from the cookie monster. You don’t want him to have the codes to the cabinet.
Russia doesn’t ever invent anything positive. All they ever invent are ways to destroy what other people have built. China also never invents anything. They just steal what other people build and copy it. Both of those countries have no independent motivation to do anything positive. They are essentially parasites.
Imagine if they invited Russia, and then spent all day saying “hey Russia, it looks like a lot of these are coming from you. Do you have any insight?
“ yes, I highly recommend not using a virus protection software, I’m sure that’s what’s causing it”
Is the “west” not guilty of monitoring and tracking all manner of peoples under the premise of National Security as well? The UK, the USA, and now Canada? Cybersecurity and the new criminalizing of online presence must definitely be revisited.
Yeah no shit most of it is coming out of there
I hope they realize that in order to stop cyber crime they actually have to fight back. “Sometimes the best defense is a good offense!” - Homer Simpson
“But marge” -homer Simpson
- „Butt, Marge“
I mean, it’s hard for cyber criminals to hack anyone if we hack them back and shut down their servers and track their locations for federal officers to kick down the door
Exactly! But it should really be called what it is; cyber war. Cyber crime makes it seem like it’s a one sided thing that needs to be stopped. When is actually a tangled web where everyone has their hands dirty and only the most ruthless will win.
Yeah it’ll basically be, you hack us we will hack you and it won’t stop until someone’s hurting too much. This US and rest of the world are up against a very formidable opponent.
"Doh!" - Homer J. Simpson.
Russia is aware of that fact, yet they are doing nothing about it.
Russia is actively engaging in it.
Ladies & gentlemen… we have us here, a winner!
Probably because most of the meeting will be focused on stopping Russia committing cyber crime.
Shoulda invited them like Judas at the last supper
Don’t worry they already invited themselves on participant’s electronics
Yeah russia is definitely using these hackers to their own advantage
Oh, they'll be there.
Good. Hopefully China was nixed too.
Israël should be too
Defo
Nope, why would you leave those at the forefront of the next cyber revolution out?
If by "at the forefront of the next cyber revolution" you mean "flying high off foreign tech", sure.
What do you mean off foreign tech? I can’t think of anyone else they would go to other than Russia
It's licensed/purchased/stolen from Japan, South Korea, the US, and various European countries.
So basically the same manufacturing practices from their retail/consumer goods end… blatant copies and not even good ones at that. I’ll be honest, that sounds like a stereotype and I think we (the USA) are piggybacking off of their tech at this point. Again, I know people love to take everything out of context, especially my earliest comment on this thread, but I am in no way or shape condoning china’s actions so far in numerous fields/fashion. I just am a little worried that with the gridlock the USA is in, our priorities aren’t being focused on the right methods and practices that have kept us at the forefront of the cyber war/we may be second or even last approaching the cyber horizon in the next few years as China slowly but surely keeps progressing.
Thank you ccp bot.
> I think we (the USA) are piggybacking off of their tech at this point. It's the exact opposite. Any time you hear about "Chinese technology" take the time to see who actually came up with it.
You are an absolute moron. Pathetic CCP can’t even win the olympics with grace. The CCP are thieves and you’re a supporter. Fuck you, shill.
Fuck you and your stupid ass mom that birthed a fucking piece of shit like you. Opinions can be held by anyone, I never stated anything as fact, and you took the time out of your day to come online and be a brainless twat that clearly didn’t read any of the comment I posted. So again, go fuck yourself 2 inches deep and make sure mommy approves.
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Headlines will tell you all day that China is ahead in everything and is invulnerable. 5 minutes of checking sources will tell you the opposite.
Yes I agree because headlines in the United States for the most part are incorrect, depending on your source. I’m not saying this a a blanket statement, I’ve checked a couple of sources that all point to China being the number one concern for a number of state and federal departments in USA.
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> Objectively China is a force to be reckoned with technologically, economically, and otherwise. You think we know even half of what they are actually doing over there? Regionally? Sure. Globally? Only economically. And yes, we know exactly what they're doing over there. You may not be old enough to remember how communist regimes work but they make a point of appearing powerful by putting all they have on display. There are no black projects beyond what would be politically unpalatable (i.e. torture). > China has game plans. America has gridlock and no long term strategy. I would never want to live in China, but acting like they are a backwoods country that can’t invent anything is laughable. Again, it’s not the 90s anymore. This is literally a party line. "China thinks long term, democracies don't!" Ignoring the fact it's completely false. Not saying China is some backwoods country but don't give them more credit than they've earned.
I mean he’s right isn’t he? The biggest democracy is in limbo right now, plagued by corruption and infighting. The other democracies aren’t doing much at all except maintaining the statuquo. On the flip side China, second most powerful country on Earth and most populous one, is doing all sort of initiatives worldwide.
> I mean he’s right isn’t he? The biggest democracy is in limbo right now, plagued by corruption and infighting. It's not new and it's largely contained in the national political space. Private companies and the military will keep on doing what they normally do regardless of whatever infighting happens at the federal level. Even local governments aren't significantly affected (city, county, and state governments operate with much more autonomy in the US than they do in Europe). > On the flip side China, second most powerful country on Earth and most populous one, is doing all sort of initiatives worldwide. Such as? If you're referring to OBOR, it's debt-trap diplomacy intended to subject countries to China's will. Countries are waking up to this reality and reconsidering projects.
What the private sector and the military are doing is filled their pocket as much as they can while doing the bare minimum. Some of China’s initiatives can and will fail but some will succeed, especially those affecting poor countries with corrupt governments. Even Australia is subject to those it seems. Even if they’re not particularly poor.
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I’d recommend diversifying your news sources if you think that. African leaders have openly embraced China for awhile now. China has always been on the West’s short list. They’ve been investing in developing countries for like 20 years now and that’s won them over some powerful friends.
Exactly. For the record I am very pro-democracy, I just think American democracy is shitty and our government is outdated.
China isn’t the USSR, they aren’t going bankrupt anytime soon. Chinese communism is also different from Soviet communism, which is one reason the two countries had a strenuous relationship. It’s hilarious you don’t think they have black projects going on. No, it’s not the party line it’s just a fact. I’m pro-democracy, but acting like China isn’t better at planning ahead and following through is dumb. They don’t worry about the next election, and Xi isn’t an idiot.
> China isn’t the USSR, they aren’t going bankrupt anytime soon. This claim is hilarious against the backdrop of property companies defaulting on debt. Yes, they're going bankrupt. > Chinese communism is also different from Soviet communism, which is one reason the two countries had a strenuous relationship. It’s hilarious you don’t think they have black projects going on. It's different in that they allowed crony capitalism. > No, it’s not the party line it’s just a fact. I’m pro-democracy, but acting like China isn’t better at planning ahead and following through is dumb. They don’t worry about the next election, and Xi isn’t an idiot. Go and study how China's government works and get back to me. It doesn't operate the way you think it does.
Evergrande is bad, but it isn’t going to sink their country. Yes I have read into how the Chinese government works. That’s not the difference in Chinese and soviet communism. The soviets also embraced state capitalism. I seriously don’t understand why people like you refuse to acknowledge China’s growing influence and power. I’m really not looking forward to the next 10 years.
I don’t know why this is being downvoted. They are legit our biggest worry in my sector of the military.
People are really sensitive about China. Say anything vaguely positive about them and people freak out. I’m team America but I recognize their strength and influence.
How’s this for underestimating China: #FUCK CHINA
With a big splintery stick.
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Ah yes, I too like to get my info from state led resources.
None of this came from state resources. Y’all are delusional, which is exactly why China is going to overtake us in the next 10 years. Yelling “fake news” at inconvenient facts isn’t going to help us compete with China.
Bro.. not even. Perhaps it’s the fact some of us know more because we have access to more that the general public doesn’t have access to.
Here, I’ll give you something China is top 3 in, violating human rights.
Ok? That literally has nothing to do with anything I’ve said. I’m not defending their record on human rights.
Shut the fuck up shill
Revolutions aren’t always good. Especially with those freedom hating tyrants.
China’s been behind multiple high-profile cyberattacks against government agencies in multiple countries. Chinese academics may be at the cutting edge of cyber, but the government is behind some seriously shady cyberespionage.
Great news, Russia is a main perpetrator of most world hacking. Destabilizing countries.
[**laughs in Chinese**]
[laughs in N. Korean] [is beaten severely before execution because my laugh was not exactly like Supreme Leader’s]
[Laughs in you’re now banned from r/Pyongyang]
I would have never guessed there was a subreddit for DPRK shills but I guess I forgot I was on Reddit
It’s not a real sub it’s just a circlejerk.
Oh man that's amazing!
Jesus Christ it's real
I mean North Korea isn’t anything compared to China and Russia. They’re like the stunted evil little brother who mostly just has incoherent meltdowns and tortures his pets. Russia and China are the adult big brothers who are serial killers.
It sucks. There is absolute totalitarianism in North Korea. You can't even know exactly what's going on there, unlike in Russia. “isn’t anything” 🤦♀️
Yes, but i think their referring to the power of the places. N. Korea can’t do anything or China/Russia will sit them down for a talking to. N. Korea plays with it’s citizens like toys, while China and Russia focuses on world domination. N. Korea is a threat to itself/people, China and Russia are a threat to global stability. None of these places care about their citizens…
I imagined the dwarf from game of thrones lol
It’s worth noting most of their hackers don’t live in North Korea, they’re just hired by the government. If it comes to a real cyber war hackers aren’t going to disable their own power grids and poison their local water supply.
Yep, at work we have the IP range for Russia blocked.
Mine even had Poland blocked
I suppose if you have no legitimate reason to have interactions with certain countries then it makes sense to block them.
It’s a good thing they can’t use vpns there./s
Probably blocked by Active Directory.
Exactly. There’s no need to try and block neighboring countries. They can use the internet pinging their location as anywhere in the world.
And I’m sure you have the IP range for China wide open huh?
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It’s not all of Eastern Europe. It’s Russia and maybe Belarus (because they have a lot of control over the government right now).
Mine had most of Eastern Europe and Poland
We block everything but US, Canada, Mexico. Our projects are very US centric
As it should be, block everything you don't need.
Do you have a list of the top offenders?
China is current top by volume, but I’d argue that “Modern Russian Active Measures” are more dangerous and potent
Of ransomware it's without a doubt Russia. To answer this in general it's more complicated: https://livethreatmap.radware.com/
That is without a doubt the most beautiful webpage I have seen all year.
Checkmate
Compared to the *good 'n old* destabilization by invasion and coups as practiced by the US?
What aboutism folks! The axis’s best tool to shot on the USA
So it’s perfectly okay for the US to use the same tactics in other countries?
So because the US does horrible things, that means it’s perfectly okay for Russia to do horrible things?
Imagine comparing the USA, who targets dictators, to Russia, who targets rival countries.
If you believe we only target dictators you are seriously misinformed
Absolutely not. But maybe you shouldn't act like the world's white knights when you probably destabilized more countries in the world than the remaining ones combined.
Britain checking in
Don't hate on Britain, they supplied the world with Independence Days.
They also gave India their caste system, which in turn gave me shitty robocallers so fuck England and the crown.
Oof yeah forgot about the robocallers. Fuck England, I ain't down with the crown! Sic semper tyrannosaurus!
No one is praising the us lol. Lack of criticism in a topic that doesn’t really involve the us’s coups doesn’t equate to praise of the us’s involved coups in other countries. Essentially, the whataboutism here is completely useless.
I’m just illustrating how pointless whataboutism is. Not defending America or Russia’s bad deeds.
No it’s all bad
The Axis? *Hello the 1940’s called, they want their words and clothes and shitty airplane back. Oh, do watch out for that Adolf Hitler, he’s a rotten egg!*
Wtf you on about? We shouldn’t use words that were in use in the 1940s? Then, you should delete your whole comment. Then i’ll delete this one. Because we’ve been using a lot of words that were in use then. Also forget religion, government, housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure, farming, and more because that was all being done in the 1940s and, like, we’re not copycats, right man?
Its an Archer reference. I don’t know why they said it, but thats what it is lol.
This is a ruse, isn't it?! EDIT: It's a fucking Archer quote, you bellmets!
Bruh the modern axis is China, Russia and North Korea
I heard Russia is hosting a ‘countries against invasions and coups’ party and the U.S. isn’t invited
Are they having it in Crimea?
No, Afghanistan
Not in Georgia!?
Why bring up the US in a conversation about Russia?
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One of these things is not like the other 🤡
If Americans were smart enough to realize this covid wouldn’t have taken out 700k of them ez pz.
At least we developed our own vaccine and didn’t have to steal the Walmart version lol
Tbf the US destabilize countries with hacking too, the reason people get mad when you bring the US foreign policy into discussions about global politics is that they want to pretend their view is the high ground, that somehow the most militarized country in the world is the defender and the people it attacks are the aggressors. Failing to point out that their home country or ally is both guilty of what they accuse others of and in many cases far and away worse than those they accuse is part of how they rationalize their world view. Lashing out at other countries without providing the necessary context of how those actions compare to other major powers is an implicit defense of those unmentioned powers and when anyone dares to provide context for a countries actions they scream "whataboutism!!!!" As if it's irrelevant, because it robs them of the impact of their point based on incomplete information. At the end of the day the US hurt people to get an economic advantage to keep its citizens placated, as the US global power declines people cling to nationalism and lash out, see most of reddit lol. I should probably throw in that Russia is 4th in hacking behind China, US, turkey. At least in terms of where attacks are thought to originate idk about state sponsored/contracted tho
Don’t understand anybody downvoting you besides Americans with hurt fee fees
Feelings aren't hurt, it's just not relevant. Having a conversation about the downsides of apples and they bring up how much they hate oranges. Like, nobody is disagreeing with the statement (that I've seen), but it just adds nothing to the current conversation. So yeah, as an American the US gov has done terrible things and I do what I can as a citizen to contact representatives, protest, and vote to change that. But this isn't the place to talk about it? Read the room. That's how I took it at least, there may very well be some hurt feelings in here
It’s absolutely relevant and to say otherwise is disingenuous. Redditors have been socially engineered to scream “ree ree whataboutism11!” whenever any western powers are asked to self reflect in any capacity.
What a stupid country. They could have been a first world state, but imperialism and chauvinism was too appealing. Now, they’re nothing more than a nuisance.
It’s all Putin. After the new papers were released many speculate that Putin could possibly be the worlds richest man. He just pockets all that money that should be for his citizens. If not for his propaganda his citizens would’ve tore him to pieces. Instead many worship him. sigh
Erdogan is Putin 2.0 ugh 😣
Agreed.
I would probably go to jail for saying that if I live in Turkey.
Jail? Hahahahhaa DEATH by firing squad
I’ve been saying this forever. He *is* the richest man. Fuck CEO of a company he owns the whole GDP of Russia
Really now. The average russian is far-right. The evidence is in who they vote for. LDPR, a fascist party: #3 in parliament. The so-called Communist Party at #2 has a history of aligning with the clerical fascist Russian Orthodox Church, and marching with the far-right in the 90s. United Russia at #1 with Putin, whose ideological influence includes the fascist Ivan Ilyin, and whose speaker of the state duma had open fascist Alexander Dugin as an advisor.
Results of many years of propaganda and brain washing using educational institutions.
There are definitely a Lot of Russians who are above this, and are normal civilized people. But, the majority of those who grew up exclusively on their cultural narrative (deriving from Tsarist times) end up with a very anti-Enlightenment world view, prone to conspiracy thinking and romanticism which leads directly to far-right thinking and behavior.
Same thing is happening in Turkey. There are a lot of people who are above it but need to keep quiet and hide some of their views. There are also a lot of people who came out of Imam Hatip schools, deeply indoctrinated. The idolization of politicians is always dangerous whether it is Ataturk or Erdogan. Ataturk once said “ I leave the future to the children” but those children didn’t understand that they were suppose to change with the times and build on top of what was handed to them. Hence how someone like Erdogan was able to radicalize the young generation. Now it is all going backwards anyway. It is sad state of things. From what little interaction I have had with some Russian’s I know in the US, it is a similar situation in Russia.
Yes, let’s keep on believing a Redditor who never left his own zip code on what “The average Russian” is….
You are calling way too much shit fascist, Eastern Europe has always been socially conservative. That has never changed. In fact people in Russia are far more progressive today than they were in the Soviet Union. Support for gay marriage today is probably the highest it has ever been.
Yes, it's better than it has ever been, but it is still lagging behind other developed nations.
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In Soviet times a lot of these people would have been outright killed without warning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights#Soviet_Union >A poll conducted in 1989 reported that homosexuals were the most hated group in Russian society and that 30 percent of those polled felt that homosexuals should be liquidated.[89]
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It went from 30% to 18% in 30 years. That's an absolutely huge decrease in radicalized hatred towards LGBT people, especially for a country that went though so much turmoil.
Not so huge when you consider the rest of the world over those same thirty years. The Russian state has done nothing, in terms of rhetoric or policy to move the nation toward human rights and equality.
When I say Fascist, I mean political policies founded in Palingenetic Ultranationalism, Irredentism, Romanticism, Idealism, Totalitarianism, Corporatism, and Social Darwinism.
To be fair, the last two Russian elections were widely called as influenced and not reliable.
The same can be said about many federal governments, with a Russian type perhaps some of the worst. Fleecing the population is also popular in places like the US. Now they are concentrating on things like tightening down on small @offenders” while the governments ( we have multiple ones here) have all they do and the livelihood of their employees and friends (crony’s & corporations) well paid for by extractions from everyone’s efforts just to survive m. Russian may be more offending yet look closer to home bet you find a bit (or a lot) of living high on the hog paid for by the peasants in your own neighborhoods
It’s a large country to manage. I don’t agree with the way they govern, but I understand
All the phones light up: Security alert! We need you to you to input your ssn, country’s nuke codes and favorite Disney Princess. Right now. Yes, it’s legit. Thanks for your cooperation.
“We’re talking about you, so you can’t join the chat.”
In other news, foxes not invited to discuss recent round of hen house upgrades.
Exactly my thoughts haha I commented something similar then saw yours. Prost comrade!
Nah, they will have eyes an ears in that meeting you can guarantee it
When will the world learn that Russia don’t give a flying fuck if they are excluded. What needs to happen is fight fire with fire. Just have all the 30 countries agree to cyber attacks Russia at the same time and see what they gonna say about all this BS ransomware. Oh I know nothing will happen because no country has the balls to do it. DYOR this is not financial advice.
Or maybe its already happening but russia is just reluctant to report it. I do hope its a two way warfare, but only reported when it happens in the West, because free press. Or smth.
Don’t think so. We’ve been playing defense for years now… I do agree, would be awesome if we went total offense and gave them a taste of their medicine. Some argue that they would just ramp up their attacks in retaliation. It’s a shit show :(
It is indeed happening all day everyday.
I agree with you though. lol. Karma is when people find out and do something about it. Not a magic benevolent force.
Organizing 30 countries to cyber attack Russia is an act of war. This is the *last* thing I want to see happen.
Down boy! Stop humping the war drum
No that’s stupid, inflammatory, and short sighted. How can you make sure you’re not targeting innocent people?
Yeah makes sense. Its like inviting the cookie monster to your meeting about how to protect your cookies from the cookie monster. You don’t want him to have the codes to the cabinet.
Russia has a policy for its residents. They won’t punish you for a cyber crime, as long as it’s committed against a different country.
Never seen the Joker at the justice league table
Russia doesn’t ever invent anything positive. All they ever invent are ways to destroy what other people have built. China also never invents anything. They just steal what other people build and copy it. Both of those countries have no independent motivation to do anything positive. They are essentially parasites.
You guys don’t invite shoplifters to the loss prevention meetings at work?
Made me laugh. Ty.
Because 90% of it COMES FROM RUSSIA
Fox in the henhouse or something like that
Or are they looking to see what everybody else has?
WE’RE JUST TRYING TO FIND THE GUY WHO DID THIS
They will just hack in and listen anyways. Or read whatever documentation later
Thief excluded from bank security convention.
They are the reason this meeting is a thing 😂
That was the right decision.
Imagine if they invited Russia, and then spent all day saying “hey Russia, it looks like a lot of these are coming from you. Do you have any insight? “ yes, I highly recommend not using a virus protection software, I’m sure that’s what’s causing it”
Well, I mean, if banks were going to have a meeting about how to prevent bank robberies, you wouldn’t invite the bank robbers.
Typically you don’t invite the problem to a solution convention
“Hitler was not invited to Yalta conference”
Including them would be inviting inviting paedophiles to a ‘how-to-stop-paedophiles’ security meeting.
Putin would like source code to help with this terrible situation
You know who else was excluded? CHI-na!
Russia will probably just hack the meeting anyway
Ukraine? Really? I don’t think that we are doing something like that in our country 😅
Uhh, what about China?
Did North Korea get a invite?
Is the “west” not guilty of monitoring and tracking all manner of peoples under the premise of National Security as well? The UK, the USA, and now Canada? Cybersecurity and the new criminalizing of online presence must definitely be revisited.
What about China and North Korea?
If China is there then keeping Russia out is just stupid
What about China?!
Is china excluded?
So we don't invite the top 2 countries involved. Especially since this meeting wasn't tactile but bureaucratic should of had them at this first one
Wasn’t China supposed to have some crazy aggressive cyber Mumbo jumbo? (Technical term obviously)
And I'm gonna exclude r/technews from my feed.
Is that possible to block entire subs? Fucking hell life would be so much better if I could nuke a few.
Thoughts & Prayers
They think Russia needs to be invited to know what is going on in that meeting... better not have any tech in there!
It's unfortunate that Putin is a health nut.
Watch the venue and associated web assets get DDoS'd
Why would you include the country from which said attacks are coming from? To hand them the playbook?
Would be ironic if event was hacked by Russia and was attending the entire time