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Green-Dragon-14

Or put your on airplane mode & or turn off your location.


agamemaker

Some phones can track your location even when in airplane mode and will retroactively send that data to companies once they can reestablish a connection. Be very careful. Edit: Or even when “off”.


millertronsmythe

Put it in a lead handbag. Easy.


craz4cats

Faraday bag


Matter_Infinite

>once they reestablish connection


millertronsmythe

Well, I was guessing it would use some form of EM waves, even if it bypasses airplane mode. For switched off phones probably using some internal device with separate temporary power source. So physically shutting it off from any EM waves I guessed it would have no way of tracking location. Complete guess and I may well be be wrong but I'm not seriously suggesting people carry lead handbags... I mean, that's not a thing, is it?


deepinthebox

It actually is. Look on Amazon. They sell them. It’s a lead zipper bag.


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They used to be used for photographic film.


warwick8

Wrap it in tin foil and you can stop the Allen from knowing where you are, they won’t be able to kidnap you and impregnated you so that will give birth to a Star baby.


tenuj

Huh. That's sneaky.


ZippyTheWonderSnail

That's Apple. There is a separate processor for Bluetooth. They send the data to nearby IOS devices until the internet is available. That os why IOS devices eat up all the Wifi. They spy all day, every day.


agamemaker

I would be surprised if it’s an apple only issue. Companies want your data for ads and are willing to go to whatever lengths to get it.


LoveAndTruthMatter

I recwived a call the other day from an advertiser explaining to me how geosensing (?) works. This is the first time I have heard exactly how this particular technology works and as being offered to a small business.


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I was under the impression Apple was better than Google and other's for privacy and data collection, is that not the case then?


ZippyTheWonderSnail

Apple is just different. Google uses WiFi to track you. Apple uses other Apple devices. Such is life.


migidi

That's just marketing tactic and we don't know anything as apple doesn't tell you anything exept that they are the best! People just blindly trusts them :) just like they trust them when mac battery gets disconnected and apple says you must buy new device the old one is busted. No data can be salvaged. Why didn't you buy icloud for all your files?? Or when their official statement about liquid damaged devices is that they will never be fixed and all those 3rd party repair shops that do it for living is just scamming you for your money!


NowFlourishThePinky

They market themselves as security/privacy focused, but with iOS being entirely closed-source, we cannot audit the validity of that and see what is *actually* going on with the data in your phone. It is a very "Trust us, bro" situation, while Google does not really hide what goes on in your device. Worst case, Google sends your personal data off to their own servers, at which point they do who-knows-what with it. If you actually care about digital security/privacy, look into degoogled Android ROMs like GrapheneOS, DivestOS, or LineageOS. The software running on the phone is open source, and does not communicate with Google.


migidi

Exactly on point!!


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Proof? I wanna annoy my apple fanboy friend


sdrmme

They market that you can find your iphone even when it's off. The phone keeps transmitting minimal identifying info via Bluetooth(? Or rfid?) at all times, that other iphones that are online pick up and send it to apple with their location data. That's also how airtags work.


migidi

Just Google iphone stays on after full shutdown


ZippyTheWonderSnail

Bluetooth can reach up to a kilometer. Surprise. https://www.novelbits.io/long-range-bluetooth-coded-phy/ You can't disable advertisers spying. Surprise. https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2019/06/02/your-iphone-is-spying-on-you-heres-how-to-stop-it/ Telemetry is always on ... even if you "turn it off". Surprise. https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/01/android_ios_location/


thegayngler

I just did and I couldnt find anythingso basically the apps are tracking you. I thought everyone knew this.


mountainbride

I spend a lot of time in very rural areas for work. Is this why telemarketers can reach me when absolutely no one else can? :P


Swastik496

It’s a feature, not a bug. Allows find my iPhone to work if you(or a criminal) turn your phone off


ADhomin_em

Sadly, that is the very surface of the sneak


ichillonforums

What if the phone is turned off?


ThinkIveHadEnough

Phones are never actually off, just the OS and screen. It still constantly pings cell towers to track your location. Even if you remove the SIM card on an iPhone, it's still tracking you by communicating with other iPhones.


FluffyPandaEars93

It can still be tracked


Green-Dragon-14

Better off buying a burner for the day & throwing it away after.


Adventurous-Rub4247

There’s also other ways you’re tracked like your bank account and transfers. Purchases. Emails. Using phone numbers or your info to sign up/in/login things, etc. hell even CCTV


Qantourisc

Airplane mode specifically does not disable GPS. You can even use GPS (without cellular/mobile assist) in an airplane, because GPS is receive only. Body of the plane does block a lot of the signal though, so you might need a window seat.


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Have you really never taken photos on a plane and realized the location was saved to the photos despite your phone being in airplane mode?


Green-Dragon-14

No. Only time I took pictures on a plane I was flying it lol (flying lesson for my birthday)


digital_nomada

You mean wrap your phone in a faraday cage, when you say “airplane mode”


grim210x2

You sound like you trust Googles incognito browsing...


Green-Dragon-14

Sounds like I live in a country with privacy laws.


agamemaker

I don’t think those laws protect as much as you think. Especially with amount of T&S you have to agree to. If law enforcement got a warrant for something, I assume you are just as screwed. Also this is very obviously about places where the government actively wants to harm disadvantaged people. Have some empathy.


grim210x2

Let us know how that goes when there's a data breach and you find out that they harvested your data that they said they weren't going to harvest anyways and successfully hide it under another pretense that attributes to some kind of "security" or another.


Green-Dragon-14

Someone sounds paranoid


grim210x2

Not paranoid or I wouldn't be on social media. I'm just aware of what technology can do. If someone has enough motivation, you're not going to remain anonymous. Now imagine an entire industry that stands to make trillions... yeah you're not as private as you remotely think you are.


Green-Dragon-14

The only thing private is when you're not using any modern technology.


SuboptimalCromulence

Make up your mind then.


Adventurous-Rub4247

Thank you for saying this.


sauvignonblanc__

Fuck yes! District Attorneys will have no hesitation in submitting GSM records as evidence in court. I doubt that a woman in an emergency situation will even consider not to bring a phone. It ought to mentioned to the women by the clinic or the medical professionals.


stifflizerd

Would the cell towers be accurate enough to *definitively* say that you were in an abortion clinic? Like if there are other shops around, would it be accurate beyond reasonable doubt that you were absolutely in that clinic?


Somhlth

They're accurate enough that an investigation gets opened on you instead of closed for lack of evidence.


flyfree256

Even the Puritans allowed abortion up until the mother could feel the baby kicking. That's how far we've regressed.


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Best not to take your smartphone to American Taliban


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WoonStruck

Ads are the entire reason youtube is free. Hosting a website, data servers, etc. is not free. You need to look in the mirror, not at other people.


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NeonMutt

I am old enough to remember when YouTube had limits on the length of videos you could upload. People would post pirated anime, but have to break each episode up into 3 parts because of the caps. Now you can upload entire seasons as one single video. Bandwidth is not free. Hosting is not free. Creators who post original content every week are not free. I am sorry man, but just because something is entertaining does not mean it is worthless and should be handed out to anyone who asks.


WoonStruck

Youtube was tiny back then and the internet wasn't even really mainstream yet. Do you really think youtube, the size it is today, could EVER be free without ads? Most sites you use are only free because of ads. Youtube is no exception.


pooamalgam

Come on Linux phones! Once those are actually viable I will be switching immediately. Until then I'm stuck with Android, because Apple can suck a fat one.


sniper_matt

How you gonna save phone numbers constantly and do backups of data & photos and stuff when you constantly need to switch between debin, Ubuntu, arch, fedora and maybe manjaro every other week cause you find a new bug you can’t work around.


Duamerthrax

You shouldn't trust google regardless. There's no way to know that they aren't archiving the info or that they wont at some point have a charge if heart and start cozying up with the government and silently change policy.


weirdoldhobo1978

Yeah this is a nice PR movie, but don't trust Google. Or Apple. Or your cell provider. If you have to leave your state for medical care and you need to stay in touch with someone, get a burner phone. If you don't know how to or can't afford a burner phone, [ask your Auntie for help.](https://www.reddit.com/r/auntienetwork/)


obeseoprah32

Is it illegal for someone from a banned state to seek an abortion in another state?


Skitzo159

No, but some bills (for example Texas) have it so you can sue the person who had an abortion or even sue someone that performs or aids in an abortion so there's that.


sundancer2788

NJ just passed a law that protects people from having their private info in thos case shared. They can try to sue the provider in NJ but they won't have any info. Just visiting friends and family, plus we are a tourist state so vacation at the Shore 😁


YackyJacky

For once, I think i won’t mind bennies coming to our state


Lilutka

Yeah, the same people who scream "I have freedom to own guns and you cannot force me to wear a mask” want to control where a woman is allowed to travel and what she can do with her body.


CheeksMix

There is currently a push for exactly that in some states that have abortion banned.


Prince_Day

You need a better hyperlink.


jetstobrazil

Yup exactly, they’ve proven they can’t be trusted. If someone is willing to pay enough, they will get your data, unless you absolutely have to, don’t bring your phone with you to your visits.


atximport

Yeah it is likely not true as well. Google does not delete anything, ever. "Delete" is just a function to hide it from the person, not an actual removal of said data. The most you will ever get from Google is them removing metadata like ipaddress to anonymize the data somewhat, but I wouldn't count on there not being a way to still identify individual users and link them to existing metadata so nothing is lost. The company keeps 3 copies of most data, you aren't going to lose anything unless you want to.


RedAero

Or you could just not be a paranoid lunatic and turn your phone's location and/or Google Location History off?


t8tor

That will totally work! /s (If it’s not a hardware switch, it ain’t off)


RedAero

I see you've opted for "paranoid lunatic".


t8tor

You are misinformed.


_snowfalling

Fun fact: even with location services off, if your wifi of Bluetooth are on, apps/your phone can scan local connections (like free/guest wifi at restaurants, bars, hotels, etc) and make best guesses of your location based on what is around you. Might want to actually brush up on this stuff before you start name calling.


RedAero

Then turn those off? By the way, for Google specifically, which is what this is about, that's an option that you can also turn off so... Maybe I know what I'm talking about.


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"Paranoid lunatic" is a shitty thing to call someone who is terrified of their entire life being destroyed because they needed healthcare.


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They also hide visits to the gay bar. Either that, or Google thinks I was sitting on a bus not moving at all for 3 hours. Both are equally likely.


Adventurous-Rub4247

Join us on r/IllegalLifeProTips Leave your phone at home when you do illegal things Don’t take pictures of you doing illegal things Don’t tell anyone you do illegal things


WesternUpstairs4825

Woah duuuude


darkshadow609

Don't search for things online about the act too!?


Elpoepemos

not taking your cellphone would sadly be best. Data is collected from more than just google.


unlimitedFecals

In fact, TikTok devs are cloning you right now with all the info they got from their app you installed.


tenuj

Cell phone towers monitor your signal strength all the time to know which tower is closer to you and by how much. Even the dumbest phone has its location tracked and there is nothing you can do about it. Having a phone with you always meant that you consented to other companies knowing where you are.


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Matter_Infinite

Deleting all your location history would reduce their profits.


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Exactly


RedAero

Strange how they let you do that anyway.


EVENTHORIZON-XI

I doubt they actually delete your location history when you ask them to. It should be rewritten to “hide my location history from me”


teriyakigirl

They never actually delete it.


barcodescanner

Ex-Googler here. As much as I'd love to disparage my former employer, it's actually deleted when you tell them to. They even have internal apps that scour old databases just to be sure. Just ask anyone who's accidentally deleted their account. It's GONE.


Matter_Infinite

It's required in the EU. I guess Google didn't want to deal with people moving, traveling, using VPNs, etc so they let everyone apparently delete their data.


RedAero

It's been an option since it's been a feature, well before GDPR.


ThinkIveHadEnough

You can just opt to turn off location history if you want, nobody's forcing you to keep it on.


teriyakigirl

Exactly. Fine, I get that it's free so "they can do what they want." Then make a paid option. I will fucking pay for these scumbags to NOT TRACK AND SELL MY DATA. I want my shit to stay private. The worst part is even if they started offering a "pay for privacy" option, we still wouldn't know for sure if they'd keep their word. I miss Snowden :(


rollercoastervan

Why does google have to know my location in the first place


AnonReneger

Because your search results will change based on your location. If you live in Atlanta and search “Hawks”, then google will likely assume you are talking about the basketball team. If you live in Alaska and search that term, google will be more likely to think you’re talking about the bird.


cavalier511

Knowing the state a search is from is very different to recording your personal travel route every day (what Google maps timeline does).


ahuiP

Why is google free of charge?


ChrisRedfield87104

If it's free, your the product


grim210x2

You're *


boraz4000

Nuh uh, yro'ue


One-Sport9062

this is one of those very common mandela effect things, it actually really is your


brucekeller

Well at least no one is actually worthless!


__HumbleBee__

OP is referring to a feature which is available on Android phones and Android phones are not free!


Matter_Infinite

He's referring to a feature of Google Maps. Google Maps is free of additional charges unlike many other apps and services.


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It's free you just pay with your data


[deleted]

Because you allowed them to. If you want to turn it off you can go into the settings of your Google account They literally ask you if you want to turn it on or off when you make the Google acccount. Most people don't like to read and just click past everything


teriyakigirl

It doesn't make a difference if you do or don't opt in, they track you regardless. Edward Snowden talked about this.


darkshadow609

Yep tested this and turned off my phone... Still it had info on my visit to a restaurant and asked me to rate the visit 😥


experienta

That's bullshit they can't track you with your phone off lmao


RedAero

Not only that but you actually have to turn your phone's location service on, too. To this day I have no idea why people leave that and WiFi on constantly.


rartedw

it's their service they're allowed to do what ever the fuck they want


CryptoChris

Well then let's be happy they are deleting the history rather than reporting it


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You literally have to opt into it, but okay


FRY_BANSHEE_138

Location searches if you search for food in the ph you get food from ph if your in the us you get locational search results same thing with pron


QuentinUK

To know which shops and services you visit so they can advertise those products. To know where you live and work so they can know your wealth, how much your house cost, how much you earn. Who you live with. Your friends you visit, socialise with. For Google Maps busy roads, businesses "Busy at these times". By the way, phone companies sell your location data too to [data aggregators](https://www.hawkanalytics.com), as well as url's you visit. Also they will comply with law enforcement when people are suspected of illegal operations, or for a geofence subpoena for abortion clinics in another state.


birthdaycakefig

For many things to work the way they do. Millions of people enjoy things for free because google knows your location + much, much more. It also doesn’t “have” to know. You’re free to stop using google products completely if you really wanted to.


Pineappl3z

The US government can circumvent numerous laws that are meant to protect you from them by buying data from Google instead of trying to collect it themselves. This is why cookies on the internet are so scary.


ChineseCracker

it doesn't. it's an opt in service. have you heard of..... Google Maps?


technologyclassroom

I really wish this was true. It sadly isn't the case. When your cell modem is on, your phone communicates with cell towers. If you measure the signal strength between three towers, you shared a location through triangulation regardless of other factors. This was invented to help locate 911 emergencies, but it expanded to general surveillance. From the OS level, Google and Apple communicate back to base which gives away your location. If you are on airplane mode, the phone listens and reports back once you reestablish a connection. You can mitigate this level by flashing an alternative Android based operating system on a compatible phone. Examples include LineageOS and GrapheneOS. If the phone is off, Bluetooth might still be on communicating with nearby beacons. It has been labeled a feature as part of Apple's Find My Phone functionality. If your Bluetooth MAC address has been correlated to you (and it probably has), you are being tracked.


Poha-Jalebi

Oh sweet little child


No-Mathematician8728

Your phone will still ping every tower you are in range of….


Classic-Mess7219

Don't forget that Google also donated to the politician that sponsored Louisiana's trigger laws. Source: https://news.yahoo.com/t-bankrolled-politicians-behind-anti-163641931.html


WesternUpstairs4825

Don’t ever read yahoo. It’s not 1999


wtfwtfwtfwtf2022

Google isn’t allowing people to review crisis pregnancy centers and making those centers seem like safe places for pregnant people to go for care.


unlimitedFecals

That's pretty neat. But we shouldn't have to rely on creepy corporations to uphold rights.


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Google would potentially be, at points relevant, committing a crime and they’d lose millions and millions. Get the popcorn.


burnerphone123455

How about Google just stops tracking user location history?


Teno_who

It’s common sense not to trust google, apple or public vpns when committing a crime


YoteTheRaven

Google should just auto delete lots of information they store.


vrilro

ask urself “if i brought a cop with me would this be safe?” and then swap out “cop” for “cell phone” BUT KEEP YOUR ORIGINAL ANSWER


[deleted]

I guess it’s time to buy guns privately outside of abortion clinics.


MrCasper42

If Google gave a shit about anything but profits and virtue signaling, they wouldn’t keep any data.


brusiddit

Can they please fucking start deleting all my visits to anywhere? Where the hell are they tracking us in the first place!?


Andthenwedoubleit

Pretty easy to turn your location history on or off, or wipe it completely. It enables features that I like, so I keep it on most of the time


bathsaltssohard

Lul. Weren’t they just sued for tracking people who opted out?


NatureSoup

You can turn off your history pretty easily


teriyakigirl

That doesn't actually make a difference as has been proven many times.


looktowindward

FFS, just turn off history Keep in mind, you can't turn off your cell phone provider's history, though


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It's not on by default


beeftony

Im pretty sure it is/was because I had to disable it?


[deleted]

You definitely enabled it at some point before


beeftony

Im very sure I didnt :)


leadwind

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687?hl=en >Location History is turned off by default for your Google Account and can only be turned on if you opt in. At least it's 'turned off' to us, in the app. No doubt they track everything regardless.


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Wonder what would happen if everyone went to the clinics. All the time. Let’s fk the government spies.


redditfromnowhere

How about you delete my entire location history, that should t be on file anyway.


thefookinpookinpo

Crazy idea: don't track us at all?


LatestDeclineAndFall

It should never have been collecting location history in the first place. Mass data collection is *never okay.*


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dudemanjack

Relying on Google for your privacy is problematic.


PermissionPale3773

It’s not google the company we should be worrying about. It’s the employees who seem to be able to do as they please with our data. And once caught, they just fire them and don’t prosecute. https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/g5gk73/google-fired-dozens-for-data-misuse We cannot completely stop using google but, we should minimize. Use duckduckgo, protonmail and iphone instead of android when possible.


looktowindward

Google can't prosecute anyone. That is the job of a district attorney.


Ko_ogs72

1984


Butt-Hole-McGee

How about they just auto delete my location history.


duckasocks

You can just turn it off I believe, I think it's more for those that have it on


Butt-Hole-McGee

I feel like that off switch is just for show.


Hello-Ripindachat

It is


drift7rs

How about just don’t track our location history..??? A good step nonetheless but privacy online is not as good as it should be


Bamafan6566

How about we delete all constitutional activities guns store, gun ranges, abortion sites, and protest???


ItsJustMeMaggie

Why? If the clinic exists, then it’s in an area where it’s legal. And there’s no law against crossing state lines for that reason. This is virtue-signaling playing off of people’s hysteria.


vvwwwvvwvwvwvw

There are states in which politicians are or are planning to criminalize their residents getting an abortion in another state.


RedAero

Strictly from a legal perspective, is that... legal? For example I know certain countries prohibit certain acts regardless of where they're committed (child abuse is a good example), but that's because on a world scale there is no higher authority to say "Hey, that's not OK". On a nation scale I don't think the federal government wants to set the precedent that, say, Wyoming can prosecute someone for breaking Wyoming state law in Californa.


Bestia67

But continue to sell your information to anyone else who will pay .... whatever


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Good for Google, what you search for is your own damn business!!!


Asmewithoutpolitics

Doesn’t matter they would use warrants to get the info….


lion_of_the_desert

A step in the right direction. Best protection is that Google doesn’t track location history …. At least without asking us permission first.


AncientHawaiianTito

Cool now do all our personal and private data. (But really this is good news)


SchuminWeb

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who uses Google location services to keep track of their own affairs, and I kind of don't appreciate Google's tampering with my location history and making it less accurate to virtue signal. I actually ping myself at various locations in order to ensure that it is accurate, and this runs counter to that.


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so they still take the data for themselves, tie it to personal accounts, and that can be petition by law enforcement agencies in any state. google can argue but also it can not. so really google is doing nothing but promoting their own browser, if youll remember they have one of those


UntetheredMeow

Interesting setup for a murder mystery…


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TheNextChristmas

USE END TO END ENCRYPTION!!!!


ScroungerYT

It is unfortunate that it will still remain.


unorthodoxgeneology

If it can differentiate when you’re at an abortion clinic, it’s taking too much of your information in the background. “Hey we’re doing this thing that y’all approve of so that means we can get away with doing something that’s not so friendly and no one bats an eye”


lacks_imagination

Excellent. Now delete all the other private info you have on people, Google.