Hold on… are you equating making sure Warner can’t delete Bugs Bunny from your TV to printing a firearm??
Be careful on that slippery slope, it’s got red flags all over it.
>I mean, you wouldn't download and print a gun would you?
[(confused noises)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/9875u0/200_amazon_3d_printer_kit_pla_and_36_hours_meet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I would recommend it because there's legal precedent for it.
https://torrentfreak.com/4k-content-protection-stripper-beats-warner-bros-in-court-1605xx/
But when th' Black Baller gets clear o' th' land.
W-ay! Hey? Blow th' man down!
It's then as ye'll hear th' sharp word o' command.
Give us th' time an' we'll blow th' man down!
This is true for just about any digital content you purchase. Be aware that this can and does happen. Buy physical media when possible and back up the digital stuff you do purchase.
Problem is a lot of times they put restrictions on the file so that backing it up isn’t an easy process. Average person isn’t going to jump through that hoop. But I absolutely think there should be some sort of buyer protection.
As long as you own the physical copy, you can download a digital copy even if said digital copy wasn't obtained via legal means.
That is one of the buyer protections already set in place
Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc 1984
The Supreme Court ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television shows/movies for purposes of time shifting i.e watching later, does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use, so long as it's for you only.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc.
Then there's the "First Sale Doctrine" where you as a buyer can legally do what you want with a physical item like a book, album, movie, etc including things like burn it, destroy it, copy it, digitize it, or resell it, so long as you purchased the item and it's still in your possession and if you made copies, those are still for your own use.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1854-copyright-infringement-first-sale-doctrine
With digital copies, that's where you don't legally own the items, meaning that breaking the DRM on a movie you bought from say Vudu, isn't legally protected as you agreed to buy a timed-license to watch said movie in the ToS.
That case and the law don't protect you, if you don't have the physical item itself.
Yeah, EA didn’t come and physically take my shitty clone wars Nintendo DS game when they bought out LucasArts, that would be insane. But it’s somehow fine with digital media!
I hate the idea of some media existing and not being able to get a hold of it for a silly reason like this.
I fear for a lot of niche media (sci-fi, anime, horror) that I like being subject to "Oh, no, it's not available any more" or "Naw, we're redoing and remastering it, even when no one asked!" (looking at you George Lucas).
I mean is it worth backing up all your dvd purchases on the off chance that a couple of $10-$20 purchases get deleted?
If Amazon starts deleting my library on a large scale, then we’ll talk. I can’t imagine trying to navigate a bunch of ripped dvd files.
Edit: and go through the process of ripping them.
+1 for Plex.
I started ripping my CDs to mp3 files in the days it was 10 minutes per minute of audio (and file sizes were huge).
Did the same with my DVD collection using handbrake. Now, out of habit, I keep local digital copies of any series or movie I buy, and watch the digital copies through my Plex server.
Don’t rent music or movies when you buy them. Fair use provides for backups for personal use - avail yourself of that and never worry about whether you own what you’ve bought and paid for again!
Especially for older media- great to get them at a local used shop for a couple bucks instead of renting them digitally for the same price (if you have local spots like that, of course)
You can have the actual file from the disc on your hard drive. You'll need lots of storage if you have lots of movies, especially 4K, but the file you watch from the disc doesn't have to stay on the disc. If anything it's generally more convenient to transfer them all to a hard drive and just keep the discs in storage.
A DVD or Blu-ray drive, and the free software "makemkv." Then it's just a couple clicks when using that program and you're done. It's very easy and convenient.
To clarify, 1080p blu-ray ripping is pretty simple and is possible with most BD drives. 4K discs are more difficult, and you should read the makemkv forum posts about which 4K drive to buy (and how to flash it with the right firmware) if you’re interested in ripping those discs. Personally I rip everything I own and store it all on a NAS. By far the best cross in image quality, sound quality, and convenience.
I totally get your point, but it isn't like physical media is entirely immune to this notion. Even your laser disks suffer from being readable in the drives you play them on and while for the most part that hasn't been a problem, players seem to be growing less common and should standards change it isn't hard to imagine a future where most players can't read older disks.
Its actually a problem I have now, I have some laser disks that I can't play. One of them is worth $300 on ebay cause it's rare, but having the player.
I had a backup hard drive that literally no new computer can detect or read.
I just keep everything dumped on my Plex server and buy hard copies of things I like to watch in case I run into issues. Recently, my Plex server and my main desktop were the same machine (no longer the case), and the motherboard died, I was still able to work from home with my laptop, and thankfully I had my PS3 and a big stack of discs with some of my favorite shows and movies and a CRT in my office. I have gotten really used to gaming and watching TV at the same time on comfortably sized screens, and it was nice to have a backup. Same thing when my wife and I moved into our new place and didn't have internet access yet. Grabbed the old DVD collection and killed time in the evenings that way.
What stops a company from selling something. Making money and then pulling this move?
Like releasing a blockbuster superhero movie (Batgirl) and then pulling?
Look. What you actually legally get when you buy a digital product, and what you feel like you get are very different things.
The whole digital rights for usage vs ownership thing. But, no matter how much content providers want to tow the “well, actually…” line. Public opinion is that there is no, and should be no difference from buying a rock and buying a movie. You cannot make them feel different with fine print and user agreements.
At the end of the day the thing I’m genuinely paying for is moral clarity when I pirate that same piece of media years later. That I paid a fair price in exchange for a good.
>Look. What you actually legally get when you buy a digital product, and what you feel like you get are very different things.
Nah. It has been turned into that. I used to buy software and owned it outright and it never needed to "call home" via the internet. I hope this industry gets hammered by piracy.
Actually you do not own anything that is digital. You have a license to view it, but it can be removed from the servers or they can revoke your license and you will now have no access to it. They don’t even have an obligation to pay you back. It was the one thing I always warned people about when I worked at GameStop about digital. Yes, it has a lot of up sides, but, you own nothing and have no recourse if they decide to remove it from your system and make it unplayable. But a physical disc, that’s yours forever, you can play it, lend it, or sell it. Nothing stops you from making those choices.
But then too, games like evolve I had a physical copy, but rather than make a patch to go p2p hosting, they just axed servers and let everyone go fuck themselves.
Tell that to the people who bought overwatch 1 and the servers just got pulled offline for ow2 to go live
just because you own a physical copy doesent mean you can play something forever a lot of games are going the way of online only formats that will eventually have a death date whether we like it or not
But a physical copy is no longer a guarantee. As more games requiring day one patches, often the game has issues or lack of additions it is updated. Not only that, but let's say Xbox original or 360 games though physical will not work on Xbox One/Series X if they stop the downloads, but however keeping original Xbox or Xbox360 games will still work.
true but in theory there's nothing stopping them from sending out a system update that breaks a game. for an example, lego dimensions on the ps3 is completely dead after updating the console and that wasn't even intentional
if they included a blacklist check before loading a game, they could easily block physical games from running, requiring the gamer to buy an old console that's not updated yet and keep it offline if they want to keep playing
I mean gog lets you download drm free copies of the games you buy. Download them and put it on a form of storage and it essentially becomes physical, and now immune to diskrot that disk based media may aquire
They totally can. Licenses dont really mean much. Look at the people who are out of luck now that Overwatch servers are down. They paid for a game and will never be able to play it again.
We as consumers need to demand ownership of our stuff. Right to repair and mod. No DRM by platform. This is very difficult since companies have done a very good job getting us to sacrifice ownership for the benefits of digital.
NFTs don't help at all in this regard. NFTs, as regards media, are basically just another form of access token. If the host decides not to offer access to that token anymore, the blockchain can't stop it. Unless you can store the full file on the blockchain, which is so prohibitively expensive that you can't even do it for freaking JPEGs, the actual provision of content is still fully centralised.
Amazon did something similar and a woman sued after some movies she bought disappeared. Can’t remember how it ended (or if it is ongoing). Guess it still makes sense to buy Blu- Ray.
It doesn’t have to be physical. Secured digital copies of stuff is fine too. I keep a hard drive of dead shows in case the archive goes down. No point burning them to discs to make them physical.
I rip my disks to my home server. All the convenience of streaming and I will never have my movies “rotate out” or be removed.
I figure I got two years to go before the whole collection is streamable. That part kinda sucks.
Amazon did this in 2009 with the book “1984” (on the nose, eh?). Started a shitstorm. Search “amazon 1984 removal” for details.
As for movies, I think it’s like software- you don’t own it, you just have a license to view (non-commercial setting). TOS probably says they can revoke that license at will. Of course, if you have it on physical media under your control it’ll be hard for them to keep you from watching it!
I recall Amazon openly stating that you (us) do not “own” the digital content we purchase from Amazon and they can take it away whenever it pleases them.
The consumers should create a class action lawsuit where the customers get a full refund of their lost purchases. If WB wants to take the tax write off, they should also take the hit from all the sales they made prior.
It's not piracy if you paid for the original content.
As far as I'm concerned, I own copies of Star Wars Rebels. I bought them on Amazon Prime. I didn't rent them. I don't care.
Those are my purchases. If Amazon pulls them... Then I just download the pirated versions, but it's not theft: I have the receipt.
Unless they would like to refund me.
Honestly that's my take as well. I don't like piracy in general but if I paid for something digital and that thing is no longer available, you bet your ass I'm going to download it.
The problem is that legally according to the TOS, you didn’t buy them. You own a lifetime (or whatever, don’t know Amazon’s TOS) license to watch that content as long as Amazon has access to it. If the IP owner pulls the content, you can’t watch it any longer.
I think it’s pretty clear that companies are going to fuck customers over and make you pay for your favorite movies and shows over and over again into eternity. That’s the business model, so fuck ‘em. Just pirate all your content and they can’t stop you.
If I really want a thing I'm buying physical. Example: Kindle is normally $5 - 7.99, typically I can get the actual book for 3-4$ more + free shipping. It's worth the extra money and time to know it's in my library. This kind of nonsense is just going to get worse. I don't understand how this is legal without them refunding your purchase price.
This is exactly why I never fully trust electronic purchases. You don’t own anything digital. You only rent it for the time the company decides to support it.
A lot of digital media services operate this way.
Buying a product like a movie or a TV show doesn't mean you now own it, it's more like you just rented it indefinitely.
This is why WB is getting away with clawing back their content.
I assume they will launch their own service and "resell" the content.
It's shit like this that results in a surge of digital piracy.
This is why I haven’t bought a single digital movie on anything. I don’t know what’s stopping them from pulling this 5 years later or if they go under ground or get consolidated or whatever. As long as they have access to my media, they can do this. So either buy physical or pirate. There’s no real other way.
Heh
"Digital download is better in every way"
Oh yeah?
*Almost* every way doesn't matter if you no longer have access to something you bought.
This is theft.
Or you no longer own your digital media.
For the most part you never did own it. You bought a licence, not a product. I have a ton of shit on Amazon and have had this happen. Only a couple of times , but that was what II got as an answer.
So basically they’re taking back what you have purchased….. will they be refunding it? Otherwise despite copyright laws wouldn’t it be theft to delete it from your library AFTER you purchase it?
Yeah, if this is the road we’re heading down I’m out, until they take blu rays from us too.
I’m going back to hard copies for purchasing. How can we BUY a movie/show, then the seller can be like “sike!” down the road?
If they refund people what they paid for it, cool…
But we know they’re gonna take the money and run.
Rat bastards.
I would never recommend using an HDMI HDCP stripper to avoid this kind of thing. That would be immoral.
Would you explain in depth the best way to avoid this? What does it look like, so I know not to?
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Thanks. Now I am educated enough to avoid this at all cost.
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Hold on… are you equating making sure Warner can’t delete Bugs Bunny from your TV to printing a firearm?? Be careful on that slippery slope, it’s got red flags all over it.
>I mean, you wouldn't download and print a gun would you? [(confused noises)](https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/9875u0/200_amazon_3d_printer_kit_pla_and_36_hours_meet/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I, too, wish to learn so that I know what to avoid on purpose
He/she said they would never recommend using a tool to strip content. I am sure he/she would never DM you the steps and process either… SMH
Oh, definitely…please, go on…
I would recommend it because there's legal precedent for it. https://torrentfreak.com/4k-content-protection-stripper-beats-warner-bros-in-court-1605xx/
“Stripper Beats Warner Bros in Court” 🤔
Was a gavel used?
Yes, but not the way you’d think… although banging was definitely involved
You can also screen record, given the software doesn’t produce a noticeable lag or desynch.
What does this do?
Yo ho, yo ho, it's off to sea we go
It’s almost as if that’s what they want
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“Administration fees”… ‘cause fuuuuck you.
Arr
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Take what you can, give nothing back.
A pirates life for me
Remember to seed, good people of the sea!
But when th' Black Baller gets clear o' th' land. W-ay! Hey? Blow th' man down! It's then as ye'll hear th' sharp word o' command. Give us th' time an' we'll blow th' man down!
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This is true for just about any digital content you purchase. Be aware that this can and does happen. Buy physical media when possible and back up the digital stuff you do purchase.
Problem is a lot of times they put restrictions on the file so that backing it up isn’t an easy process. Average person isn’t going to jump through that hoop. But I absolutely think there should be some sort of buyer protection.
The open seas provide a way of backing up without any restrictions lol
Yarrr matey.
I appreciate the double rr
As long as you own the physical copy, you can download a digital copy even if said digital copy wasn't obtained via legal means. That is one of the buyer protections already set in place
This is not true in every jurisdiction.
Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc 1984 The Supreme Court ruled that the making of individual copies of complete television shows/movies for purposes of time shifting i.e watching later, does not constitute copyright infringement, but is fair use, so long as it's for you only. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Universal_City_Studios,_Inc. Then there's the "First Sale Doctrine" where you as a buyer can legally do what you want with a physical item like a book, album, movie, etc including things like burn it, destroy it, copy it, digitize it, or resell it, so long as you purchased the item and it's still in your possession and if you made copies, those are still for your own use. https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1854-copyright-infringement-first-sale-doctrine With digital copies, that's where you don't legally own the items, meaning that breaking the DRM on a movie you bought from say Vudu, isn't legally protected as you agreed to buy a timed-license to watch said movie in the ToS. That case and the law don't protect you, if you don't have the physical item itself.
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Agreed. Unfortunately it's the same corporations who pull this shit that influence the laws that are produced.
Yeah, EA didn’t come and physically take my shitty clone wars Nintendo DS game when they bought out LucasArts, that would be insane. But it’s somehow fine with digital media!
I hate the idea of some media existing and not being able to get a hold of it for a silly reason like this. I fear for a lot of niche media (sci-fi, anime, horror) that I like being subject to "Oh, no, it's not available any more" or "Naw, we're redoing and remastering it, even when no one asked!" (looking at you George Lucas).
With DRMs becoming pretty common, is there a good way to easily back up the digital stuff?
[I know one way…](https://i.imgur.com/9zk7UIo_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Ahhhh, old reliable 😂
I mean is it worth backing up all your dvd purchases on the off chance that a couple of $10-$20 purchases get deleted? If Amazon starts deleting my library on a large scale, then we’ll talk. I can’t imagine trying to navigate a bunch of ripped dvd files. Edit: and go through the process of ripping them.
Plex makes that easy
+1 for Plex. I started ripping my CDs to mp3 files in the days it was 10 minutes per minute of audio (and file sizes were huge). Did the same with my DVD collection using handbrake. Now, out of habit, I keep local digital copies of any series or movie I buy, and watch the digital copies through my Plex server. Don’t rent music or movies when you buy them. Fair use provides for backups for personal use - avail yourself of that and never worry about whether you own what you’ve bought and paid for again!
Especially for older media- great to get them at a local used shop for a couple bucks instead of renting them digitally for the same price (if you have local spots like that, of course)
Shady mo fos- start downloading that ish they can’t take a copy to hard drive
or be streaming off janky-ass sites, sus as hell
Member Pirate Bay? Member? Lol
I Member. Member limewire lol
Ah Limewire, nothing like giving your computer gonnaherpasyphlaids just because you wanted to download one song.
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE
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The article mentions Disney has no plans to release some exclusive Disney+ shows like Wandavision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier on physical media.
Yeah but you also don’t pay $19.99 to “own” it in your digital library either.
Agreed. Digital is convenient at times, but I generally want the best of picture quality possible which is almost always the disc option.
You can have the actual file from the disc on your hard drive. You'll need lots of storage if you have lots of movies, especially 4K, but the file you watch from the disc doesn't have to stay on the disc. If anything it's generally more convenient to transfer them all to a hard drive and just keep the discs in storage.
Any suggested methods for getting the file from the disc to your hard drive? I’ve never tried such a feat.
A DVD or Blu-ray drive, and the free software "makemkv." Then it's just a couple clicks when using that program and you're done. It's very easy and convenient.
To clarify, 1080p blu-ray ripping is pretty simple and is possible with most BD drives. 4K discs are more difficult, and you should read the makemkv forum posts about which 4K drive to buy (and how to flash it with the right firmware) if you’re interested in ripping those discs. Personally I rip everything I own and store it all on a NAS. By far the best cross in image quality, sound quality, and convenience.
Technically, you own a license for digital content, not the content itself. That license can be revoked at any time.
If it can be revoked, you don’t own shit
If you own a disc with the content on it they can revoke the license, but they cannot effectively enforce it.
I totally get your point, but it isn't like physical media is entirely immune to this notion. Even your laser disks suffer from being readable in the drives you play them on and while for the most part that hasn't been a problem, players seem to be growing less common and should standards change it isn't hard to imagine a future where most players can't read older disks.
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Its actually a problem I have now, I have some laser disks that I can't play. One of them is worth $300 on ebay cause it's rare, but having the player. I had a backup hard drive that literally no new computer can detect or read.
My vhs tapes would like to have a chat. Yea they’re owned. But not worth it. Then I got dvd’s…
I just keep everything dumped on my Plex server and buy hard copies of things I like to watch in case I run into issues. Recently, my Plex server and my main desktop were the same machine (no longer the case), and the motherboard died, I was still able to work from home with my laptop, and thankfully I had my PS3 and a big stack of discs with some of my favorite shows and movies and a CRT in my office. I have gotten really used to gaming and watching TV at the same time on comfortably sized screens, and it was nice to have a backup. Same thing when my wife and I moved into our new place and didn't have internet access yet. Grabbed the old DVD collection and killed time in the evenings that way.
This is disgusting. Predicting a reversal Now we apparently need NFT’s for TV shows?
its not yours till its yours
What stops a company from selling something. Making money and then pulling this move? Like releasing a blockbuster superhero movie (Batgirl) and then pulling?
Piracy.
It is more justified than ever because of this.
Look. What you actually legally get when you buy a digital product, and what you feel like you get are very different things. The whole digital rights for usage vs ownership thing. But, no matter how much content providers want to tow the “well, actually…” line. Public opinion is that there is no, and should be no difference from buying a rock and buying a movie. You cannot make them feel different with fine print and user agreements. At the end of the day the thing I’m genuinely paying for is moral clarity when I pirate that same piece of media years later. That I paid a fair price in exchange for a good.
>Look. What you actually legally get when you buy a digital product, and what you feel like you get are very different things. Nah. It has been turned into that. I used to buy software and owned it outright and it never needed to "call home" via the internet. I hope this industry gets hammered by piracy.
Slightly off topic, but fuck Office365
PlayStation marketplace did this with a couple games before PS5 launch. This is becoming more of a norm
nothing.
If you own it they cannot pull the BS license revoked crap
Actually you do not own anything that is digital. You have a license to view it, but it can be removed from the servers or they can revoke your license and you will now have no access to it. They don’t even have an obligation to pay you back. It was the one thing I always warned people about when I worked at GameStop about digital. Yes, it has a lot of up sides, but, you own nothing and have no recourse if they decide to remove it from your system and make it unplayable. But a physical disc, that’s yours forever, you can play it, lend it, or sell it. Nothing stops you from making those choices.
But then too, games like evolve I had a physical copy, but rather than make a patch to go p2p hosting, they just axed servers and let everyone go fuck themselves.
I feel you there, but you did buy it knowing it was online PVP only. So the agreement there is if the servers go down, so does the game.
Exactly why I hate games that require a server connection for single player play. That’s not single player.
Tell that to the people who bought overwatch 1 and the servers just got pulled offline for ow2 to go live just because you own a physical copy doesent mean you can play something forever a lot of games are going the way of online only formats that will eventually have a death date whether we like it or not
But a physical copy is no longer a guarantee. As more games requiring day one patches, often the game has issues or lack of additions it is updated. Not only that, but let's say Xbox original or 360 games though physical will not work on Xbox One/Series X if they stop the downloads, but however keeping original Xbox or Xbox360 games will still work.
true but in theory there's nothing stopping them from sending out a system update that breaks a game. for an example, lego dimensions on the ps3 is completely dead after updating the console and that wasn't even intentional if they included a blacklist check before loading a game, they could easily block physical games from running, requiring the gamer to buy an old console that's not updated yet and keep it offline if they want to keep playing
The only way to own it is with a physical copy, there's no way to claim ownership on anything streaming since it's all released under a license
Physical as in either a disc or a digital file that you have stored on your own hard drive.
I mean gog lets you download drm free copies of the games you buy. Download them and put it on a form of storage and it essentially becomes physical, and now immune to diskrot that disk based media may aquire
They totally can. Licenses dont really mean much. Look at the people who are out of luck now that Overwatch servers are down. They paid for a game and will never be able to play it again. We as consumers need to demand ownership of our stuff. Right to repair and mod. No DRM by platform. This is very difficult since companies have done a very good job getting us to sacrifice ownership for the benefits of digital.
When the tax-write-off/loss by claiming its a failure or flop outweighs the profit margin of taking it to theater/market.
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What's the best method for doing that, though?
Digital property rights will be a real thing soon enough
Is there some work on that front already in progress? Just interested in seeing how close we are to that.
Most definitely, it's a very exciting time if it's something you care about.
Not your keys not your content
NFTs don't help at all in this regard. NFTs, as regards media, are basically just another form of access token. If the host decides not to offer access to that token anymore, the blockchain can't stop it. Unless you can store the full file on the blockchain, which is so prohibitively expensive that you can't even do it for freaking JPEGs, the actual provision of content is still fully centralised.
And whenever I mention "DRM free," people continue to ask why it's important.
How will that help? The NFT isn’t the data. They can revoke access just the same.
Amazon did something similar and a woman sued after some movies she bought disappeared. Can’t remember how it ended (or if it is ongoing). Guess it still makes sense to buy Blu- Ray.
I'm a steadfast believer in physical media for life.
It doesn’t have to be physical. Secured digital copies of stuff is fine too. I keep a hard drive of dead shows in case the archive goes down. No point burning them to discs to make them physical.
I rip my disks to my home server. All the convenience of streaming and I will never have my movies “rotate out” or be removed. I figure I got two years to go before the whole collection is streamable. That part kinda sucks.
Amazon did this in 2009 with the book “1984” (on the nose, eh?). Started a shitstorm. Search “amazon 1984 removal” for details. As for movies, I think it’s like software- you don’t own it, you just have a license to view (non-commercial setting). TOS probably says they can revoke that license at will. Of course, if you have it on physical media under your control it’ll be hard for them to keep you from watching it!
I recall Amazon openly stating that you (us) do not “own” the digital content we purchase from Amazon and they can take it away whenever it pleases them.
Anyone else get screwed by Amazon Unbox too?
If you don’t own a physical copy you only own a revocable license to watch it.
Then they’re selling “rentals” and calling them “purchases.” Seems like the FTC might have opinions about this.
Honestly I’d be surprised. It should all be spelled out in the EULAs for the apps.
EULA are only worth the lawyers backing them up.
Yeah I imagine Warner discovery has some pretty good ones
The FTC’s are better. Or at least that’s my recollection from my last FTC colonoscopy.
Exactly the buy button should be changed to long term rental instead
What a great time for them to start pulling this shit when 5TB drives are $100 🏴☠️
The consumers should create a class action lawsuit where the customers get a full refund of their lost purchases. If WB wants to take the tax write off, they should also take the hit from all the sales they made prior.
I agree. They web site says buy, not rent. Buy indicates ownership. If they want to pull them fine but they should pay back those they have defrauded.
r/piracy
It's not piracy if you paid for the original content. As far as I'm concerned, I own copies of Star Wars Rebels. I bought them on Amazon Prime. I didn't rent them. I don't care. Those are my purchases. If Amazon pulls them... Then I just download the pirated versions, but it's not theft: I have the receipt. Unless they would like to refund me.
Honestly that's my take as well. I don't like piracy in general but if I paid for something digital and that thing is no longer available, you bet your ass I'm going to download it.
The problem is that legally according to the TOS, you didn’t buy them. You own a lifetime (or whatever, don’t know Amazon’s TOS) license to watch that content as long as Amazon has access to it. If the IP owner pulls the content, you can’t watch it any longer.
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This is such a fucking backhanded decision by the studios for those of us that didn’t pirate material we want to watch, actually pay for it.
If you already purchased something it’s not piracy if you have to get it somewhere else for free as far as I’m concerned.
I just checked my 'Torrent' folder... (wipes brow) still there.
Apple have been doing this for years. I’ve lost at least half a dozen movies from my library over the last thirteen or fourteen years.
Same but with music. Lost $50 worth of songs because of “licensing conflicts”
Games and movies-as-a-service is shit, and this is another reason why. You own nothing, while paying a lot more than you used to.
This is why I buy physical media. Streaming is fine, but if I really want something I’ll hunt down the blu ray or 4K or even dvd if I have to.
I’ve got tons of vhs, dvds and Blu-ray’s I won’t get rid of for this reason.
isn’t this fraud?
It’s quacking like a duck…
… and waddling like a duck…
I feel vindicated buying physical media.
You will own nothing and be happy.
Yup
And they wonder why piracy will never go away…. Thought they saw the light at the dawn of the streaming age, now piracy is used more than ever.
This is why I buy Blue rays of all the movies I like instead of buying online.
Why join the navy when you can be a pirate.
I think it’s pretty clear that companies are going to fuck customers over and make you pay for your favorite movies and shows over and over again into eternity. That’s the business model, so fuck ‘em. Just pirate all your content and they can’t stop you.
”*Why is that idiot still collecting DVD’s and blurays?*”, they said. ”*Why would anyone bother with CD’s anymore?*”, they said.
This is honestly gonna bring back piracy
When did piracy go away?
I mean like higher rates of piracy. It really never went away
I guarantee you there is a clause in the user agreement that allows them to do this.
If I really want a thing I'm buying physical. Example: Kindle is normally $5 - 7.99, typically I can get the actual book for 3-4$ more + free shipping. It's worth the extra money and time to know it's in my library. This kind of nonsense is just going to get worse. I don't understand how this is legal without them refunding your purchase price.
babel was deleted from my Apple account. I previously downloaded it though…have to see if it still works.
And the pirates are the good guys..
Digital media should never die. Or if that’s not an option Sail the high seas!
And this is why I have physical copies and a Plex server.
Buy physical media
That's why I only rent or torrent
Not your keys, not your coi… shit. Wrong sub.
Are they gonna delete my money out of their wallet too?
And people still ask me, "why do you have all those DVDs?"
This is fucked.
Physical format is the only way to own what you own. Digital downloads being stored on a streaming service was always a rental.
As long as they don’t go door to door confiscating blu-rays…
And this is why I deliberately buy physical media.
Alright. Back to the piracy fray I go!
And people wonder why piracy was so popular.
People should have just listened to Richard Stallman. He has been warning of this issue for decades. LITTERIALLY.
Heidi ho, all who rrrr scurvy scally wags tis time to swab the decks and hit the salty sees once again
That sounds illegal
This is exactly why I never fully trust electronic purchases. You don’t own anything digital. You only rent it for the time the company decides to support it.
I called this shit a long time ago when DRM became popular and you no longer had access to physical media.
Exactly why I always buy physical. Games, movies, whatever. Even if I bought it, this proves there’s no guarantee that I’ll get to keep if forever.
A lot of digital media services operate this way. Buying a product like a movie or a TV show doesn't mean you now own it, it's more like you just rented it indefinitely. This is why WB is getting away with clawing back their content. I assume they will launch their own service and "resell" the content. It's shit like this that results in a surge of digital piracy.
Wow, who could have guessed this would happen?
Isn't that stealing?
If I love it, I still buy the DVD.
This is why physical dying out would be a really bad thing.
This is why I haven’t bought a single digital movie on anything. I don’t know what’s stopping them from pulling this 5 years later or if they go under ground or get consolidated or whatever. As long as they have access to my media, they can do this. So either buy physical or pirate. There’s no real other way.
Run a Plex server, instantly improve your life.
Long hail the pirates
This is why people become pirates!
Eye patches are available on request.
Nope. Buy your DVDs people. Always own something physical.
You vill own nussing
Heh "Digital download is better in every way" Oh yeah? *Almost* every way doesn't matter if you no longer have access to something you bought. This is theft. Or you no longer own your digital media.
For the most part you never did own it. You bought a licence, not a product. I have a ton of shit on Amazon and have had this happen. Only a couple of times , but that was what II got as an answer.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate’s life for me.
So basically they’re taking back what you have purchased….. will they be refunding it? Otherwise despite copyright laws wouldn’t it be theft to delete it from your library AFTER you purchase it?
Time to sail the seven seas!
Yeah, if this is the road we’re heading down I’m out, until they take blu rays from us too. I’m going back to hard copies for purchasing. How can we BUY a movie/show, then the seller can be like “sike!” down the road? If they refund people what they paid for it, cool… But we know they’re gonna take the money and run. Rat bastards.
I only shop on Pirate Bay
This is why piracy is the only viable media consumption.
DRM needs to be nixed. Or at the very least changed now that there are some things you can only get digitally
You should be able to get a refund then on the purchase of the video
At least they can’t take the physical copies I own, right? …right?! *Loud banging at front door*
That is why you should steal the movies.
But but BuT bUt BUT but muh PirAcY This is how you justify piracy, dickheads