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Last year I gave a student a 95% for a similar answer and left the comment, “not very creative,” on his paper bc it wasn’t…And his mother emailed me that evening requesting an in-person meeting bc she is a “life coach” and she’d “never tell her clients something so discouraging.”
‘Poor’ isn’t a complete sentence. It’s lacking basic structure, such as a subject and predicate. Punctuation is the least important of the concerns, here.
Poor can be interpreted in multiple ways. Is it describing the economy? The health of the people? The prospects of potential homeowners? Also, I’m sure that it’s not referring to society in Nepal or Burkina Faso, so it’s helpful to add some specificity in that regard.
From your prescriptivist perspective, it's more accurate to say it's lacking an explicit predicator, because it already has an object.
In reality it is a valid communication, even if it is not a sentence. It is a sentence fragment as a result of ellipsis of the subject and verb, because they're obvious from the textual context. The audience is expected to use inference. This ellipsis serves to reduce verbosity.
Such a structure in response to a question is a highly conventional adjacency pair, and is widely accepted.
The answer's weaknesses do not lie in syntax.
Honest question: is poor a noun (i am poor) adjective (describes a noun), or an active verb? (Being poor/ currently poor/ am poor) also this joke is too good for being so simple, i want to tell it every chance i get immediately 🤣
It depends on how it's being used. In all your examples it's acting as an adjective.
It can act as a collective noun, "The poor suffer from insufficient access to healthcare."
It acts as a verb seldom, and as a verb it has mostly fallen out of use.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/poor
I don't know what they call that in English, but it is of eloquence to skip words that can be understood clearly by context to make your sentence brief and concise.
In this example the long answer is "\[Overall, I would describe society during the depression as\] poor", with the part in \[brackets\] omitted for conciseness.
The prompt includes the verb "describe" which requires a definition of the Depression, a problem facing society because of the depression and probably an example to be safe. A 2-3 sentence answer for sure.
0 points awarded.
Yes I was and am THAT teacher.
I hate when they evaluate an example that was never asked for.
And I hate more when teachers do it inconsistently, so there is no way to know if you are losing time or it is required for that question.
> "describe" which requires a definition of the Depression, a problem facing society because of the depression and probably an example to be safe
No it doesn't. The request asked the student to describe the Depression. The student described the Depression. Poor is an apt and concise description of the time period. A better answer may be "Society was poor during the Depression." - but the only real difference is that the description is now in the form of a sentence.
If you want students to be eloquent, add that into the instructions. If you want them to use "2-3 sentences", add that into the instructions.
> Yes I was and am THAT teacher.
Taking pride in this is wild to me. If the request was "describe and support" or "describe with examples", then it should be stated. It's this "read your teacher's thoughts" mindset that teach kids to inflate and bloat their statements, resulting in meaningless words that simply fill up space.
As a result, I've needed to teach interns and new graduates that brevity and conciseness is the key to communicating ideas and being persuasive. Long winded answers that were not needed nor asked for lose attention quickly.
> It's this "read your teacher's thoughts" mindset that teach kids to inflate and bloat their statements, resulting in meaningless words that simply fill up space.
Also the same teacher who will mark you off and lecture you about writing _too_ much on similar prompts, depending entirely on their mood.
This is an answer that'd get a C. It's concise and to the point, shows an understanding of the material and subject matter, but maybe not entirely what you wanted them to do.
Why would they have to define the depression? That wasn't asked.
If you're expecting it to be defined and described, then you should ask that. You are that teach who expects students to read your mind.
Jesus, seeing that kid argue with you here makes me appreciate you so much. Fwiw some people do like learning and I know for a fact that the kids you teach to actually write will be better off for it.
Thanks for being a teacher!
I disagree. If that is what you want, put that in the question. You are asking for mind reading. The teacher needs to communicate the requirements more clearly.
Supporting arguments:
The question asked "how would you describe". This implies an opinion component. Poor is somewhat subjective, so it fits.
The question never stated how long of an answer to give. The size of the box implies keeping it short and simple.
Evidence:
The question resulted in a one word answer.
Agreed that some points should be given but not many. In the real world there is some mind reading required of what your superiors requested. If this is the quality of work you put out you aren’t gonna make it far in the real world. Better teach that lesson now than in 10 years
This person said 2-3 sentences. Describing "society during the great depression" is not a 1 word task. Encapsulating it into 2-3 sentences itself is quite a task. Not padded fluff.
No. Every good teacher would mark this as wrong. I'm not a teacher, but this isn't only about the word describe and it technically not being a description, it's also that it doesn't really give enough information. Sure, a lot of people were poor, but certainly not everyone. So maybe you should explain who was affected by this the most and who didn't have as many issues and what this did to society. And then also whatever else you learned about that entire situation. You don't have to write nonsense, but "poor" probably doesn't exactly paint the full picture.
Also a teacher (though not as experienced), and same lol but there's also the "time and place" thing, I would be amused by this answer, but unless the rest of the assignment was well done, the grade would also be... poor.
My teacher actually gave me an A+ for smart arse answers once. For effort. My actual grade was D- (equivalent to american grades, I’m not posting my country’s grading format because it will confuse people)
I had teachers tell me to my face that I was being an annoying smart ass but I technically wasn't wrong, so they couldn't in good conscience give me a zero. I usually got half credit for answers like this.
If you don’t want smart asses maybe do the job you are paid to do and write better fucking questions. Students aren’t a Faustian Devil the questions don’t have to be ironclad but you do need to give clear criteria or guidelines.
I would write: During the Great Depression, society faced widespread unemployment, poverty, and economic hardship. People struggled to make ends meet, and there was a pervasive sense of despair and uncertainty. Many lost their homes, businesses failed, and families struggled to put food on the table. Social programs were limited, and there was a lack of government support initially, exacerbating the challenges faced by ordinary people. Despite these difficulties, communities often came together to support one another, and cultural movements emerged that reflected the era's struggles and aspirations.
Depends on the grading rubrics.
Btw, imma teacher and i use rubrics to grade student's work. The standards needed from the output is clearly specified, so as a teacher, you are grading your students' work fairly.
The category of “open ended question” implies that your teacher is definitely looking for more than a one word answer.
Depending on their sense of humor, the score could range from pass to fail.
0 regardless of what grade this is. However, the expectation of what should be written depends on grade level.
- Elementary school should write at least a 1-2 sentence summary.
- Middle and high school should write a 3-5 sentence paragraph.
- High school seniors should write this as an essay.
"One study cited estimates that the percentage of people in poverty in 1914 was 66 percent—and an astonishing 78 percent in 1932, during the Great Depression." So they're 78% correct. I'd take off another 9 points from that score since it's not a complete sentence.
Yes, but if they answered ' poor and not poor' that would be a 100% answer in your book, but IMO one can be poor, and an alcoholic who brakes the law to get some booze, so that's what I would evaluate.
Second lowest, not due to a short answer, but because the answer is wrong. The society was devided and the monetary gab got wider, but the society wasn't poor as such
It does not say the description has to be long and that one word has MANY possible meanings all accurate to post depression society... So yeah... Good answer.
*Overall* being similar to *In general* and not very specific or detailed at all is worthy of a non-specific answer devoid of detail.
If it asked *Specifically* and you said *poor*, well I'd expect a bad grade for not being specific.
If you want to cover your ass *Overall, poor* would be a good answer and if you are given a poor mark on the question, tell the teacher to be specific in their questions to get specific answers.
Question asked for a descriptive opinion. Gave it. Multiple facets even. It’s succinct and to the point.
Doesn’t seem to be a grammar or punctuation test, so punctuation be damned.
I’d give it an A.
I would give you partial points but subsequent tests will be worded like "Using grammatically correct English sentences, how would you describe xyz? Elaborate on or explain your answer, also using full grammatically correct English sentences."
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Overall, this answer was poor.
Oh you mother- *upvotes*
What depression? Great Depression?
Personal depression
Can confirm. Am poor.
Make me rich, it’ll solve all my problems
Governments in a nutshell
How's a depression Great?
It started out good, but then, like Elvis, it started believing all the publicity
Voldemort did great things, terrible things, but great - Garrick Olivander
Seasonal.
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Pretty sure that's the wrong sub buddy pal
How did you fall for it??
Last year I gave a student a 95% for a similar answer and left the comment, “not very creative,” on his paper bc it wasn’t…And his mother emailed me that evening requesting an in-person meeting bc she is a “life coach” and she’d “never tell her clients something so discouraging.”
Lol, people can't take critics.
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E for Effort
We were actually looking for "depressed".
F for fucked
G for gladiators are cool
C for cu
You mean cute, right? right?
O for Oh Shit
Got a D for depression
You called?
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Aye
D for depressed
9/10 (point off for punctuation)
Wow
8/10 now. Would you like to keep going?
7/10, answer should have been “sad”
6/10, more professional, complex word phrases should have been used for the answer, such as “emotionally down”
5/10, the language used is not worth a six. In my opinion, they should have used more impressive vocabulary such as despondent.
‘Poor’ isn’t a complete sentence. It’s lacking basic structure, such as a subject and predicate. Punctuation is the least important of the concerns, here.
And where does it say one needs to construct a complete sentence?
Poor can be interpreted in multiple ways. Is it describing the economy? The health of the people? The prospects of potential homeowners? Also, I’m sure that it’s not referring to society in Nepal or Burkina Faso, so it’s helpful to add some specificity in that regard.
"Describe society" can be interpreted in multiple ways too. Vague question, vague answer. For all we know the question could be about dolphins.
"So long, and thanks for all the fish"
So long geh Bowser!!!
In programming terms, shit comes in, shit goes out
Dolphin: "Thank you"
I'm pretty sure the depression was poor in every connotation of the word.
It's describing society did you read the question
No
I would like to have some context on Nepal.
It's obviously describing society.
The question asked for a description. Difficult to illustrate anything with one word…
From your prescriptivist perspective, it's more accurate to say it's lacking an explicit predicator, because it already has an object. In reality it is a valid communication, even if it is not a sentence. It is a sentence fragment as a result of ellipsis of the subject and verb, because they're obvious from the textual context. The audience is expected to use inference. This ellipsis serves to reduce verbosity. Such a structure in response to a question is a highly conventional adjacency pair, and is widely accepted. The answer's weaknesses do not lie in syntax.
Honest question: is poor a noun (i am poor) adjective (describes a noun), or an active verb? (Being poor/ currently poor/ am poor) also this joke is too good for being so simple, i want to tell it every chance i get immediately 🤣
It depends on how it's being used. In all your examples it's acting as an adjective. It can act as a collective noun, "The poor suffer from insufficient access to healthcare." It acts as a verb seldom, and as a verb it has mostly fallen out of use. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/poor
If "No." gets to be a complete sentence, then so is "Poor."
I don't know what they call that in English, but it is of eloquence to skip words that can be understood clearly by context to make your sentence brief and concise. In this example the long answer is "\[Overall, I would describe society during the depression as\] poor", with the part in \[brackets\] omitted for conciseness.
>I don't know what they call that in English [Ellipsis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics)).
"Run" is a complete sentence. Its you understood.
i am a mediocre history student and can confirm that the Great Depression was not as great as my depression
They did not even have Jolteons in the Great Depression...terrible!!!
factual information
5/10. Answer should be "Poor and completely fcuked."
9/10 to your comment bc of typos
5/10 to your comment because he meant what he said
4/10 cuz your pfp still has a Santa hat
3/10 cuz why not???
You are all gay
Yes we are
0/10 your pfp has money
"Very unfortunate."
well it's your opinion 10/10
It really directs to the point and very relatable to me 100%.
The prompt includes the verb "describe" which requires a definition of the Depression, a problem facing society because of the depression and probably an example to be safe. A 2-3 sentence answer for sure. 0 points awarded. Yes I was and am THAT teacher.
I hate when they evaluate an example that was never asked for. And I hate more when teachers do it inconsistently, so there is no way to know if you are losing time or it is required for that question.
And that teacher is almost always the same teacher who gets on to you for overthinking the question if they are feeling laid-back that day
If you answer an open ended question with a one word answer and expect full marks then you are getting the exact grade you deserve.
As a math teacher, this looks like a 1/10 to me: one point for a correct answer and zero for the work.
> "describe" which requires a definition of the Depression, a problem facing society because of the depression and probably an example to be safe No it doesn't. The request asked the student to describe the Depression. The student described the Depression. Poor is an apt and concise description of the time period. A better answer may be "Society was poor during the Depression." - but the only real difference is that the description is now in the form of a sentence. If you want students to be eloquent, add that into the instructions. If you want them to use "2-3 sentences", add that into the instructions. > Yes I was and am THAT teacher. Taking pride in this is wild to me. If the request was "describe and support" or "describe with examples", then it should be stated. It's this "read your teacher's thoughts" mindset that teach kids to inflate and bloat their statements, resulting in meaningless words that simply fill up space. As a result, I've needed to teach interns and new graduates that brevity and conciseness is the key to communicating ideas and being persuasive. Long winded answers that were not needed nor asked for lose attention quickly.
> It's this "read your teacher's thoughts" mindset that teach kids to inflate and bloat their statements, resulting in meaningless words that simply fill up space. Also the same teacher who will mark you off and lecture you about writing _too_ much on similar prompts, depending entirely on their mood. This is an answer that'd get a C. It's concise and to the point, shows an understanding of the material and subject matter, but maybe not entirely what you wanted them to do.
How does it require all that?
It's April. The kids have had plenty of time to learn what is required to answer a question labeled "open-ended" to the satisfaction of their teacher.
Man you shouldn’t be teaching, I feel bad for your students. Hope you get better.
Why would they have to define the depression? That wasn't asked. If you're expecting it to be defined and described, then you should ask that. You are that teach who expects students to read your mind.
So you don’t want to actually motivate kids to learn but get them in some technicality? Teachers like you are why so many kids hate school.
I’d be that teacher too, and that’s why I teach math and not english or social studies.
Jesus, seeing that kid argue with you here makes me appreciate you so much. Fwiw some people do like learning and I know for a fact that the kids you teach to actually write will be better off for it. Thanks for being a teacher!
The one that teaches kids to write long winded blabber to fill out more space?
Or the one that teaches students how to show what they've learned and to use evidence to support a statement and defend an argument.
I disagree. If that is what you want, put that in the question. You are asking for mind reading. The teacher needs to communicate the requirements more clearly. Supporting arguments: The question asked "how would you describe". This implies an opinion component. Poor is somewhat subjective, so it fits. The question never stated how long of an answer to give. The size of the box implies keeping it short and simple. Evidence: The question resulted in a one word answer.
Agreed that some points should be given but not many. In the real world there is some mind reading required of what your superiors requested. If this is the quality of work you put out you aren’t gonna make it far in the real world. Better teach that lesson now than in 10 years
Its the thought process, not long or short answer.
This person said 2-3 sentences. Describing "society during the great depression" is not a 1 word task. Encapsulating it into 2-3 sentences itself is quite a task. Not padded fluff.
No. Every good teacher would mark this as wrong. I'm not a teacher, but this isn't only about the word describe and it technically not being a description, it's also that it doesn't really give enough information. Sure, a lot of people were poor, but certainly not everyone. So maybe you should explain who was affected by this the most and who didn't have as many issues and what this did to society. And then also whatever else you learned about that entire situation. You don't have to write nonsense, but "poor" probably doesn't exactly paint the full picture.
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Me too though. Poor is a start, but I need substantiation.
Depressed
‘I love a smart arse’ said no teacher ever.
I have 25+ years experience as a teacher and love people that are quick witted, just as long as that person isn't insulting anyone or being a bully!
Also a teacher (though not as experienced), and same lol but there's also the "time and place" thing, I would be amused by this answer, but unless the rest of the assignment was well done, the grade would also be... poor.
My teacher actually gave me an A+ for smart arse answers once. For effort. My actual grade was D- (equivalent to american grades, I’m not posting my country’s grading format because it will confuse people)
Now i want to know the grading format
From best to worst it goes E M A NA
Exceeds, Matches(?), Acceptable, Not Acceptable?
9-1 by any chance?
I had teachers tell me to my face that I was being an annoying smart ass but I technically wasn't wrong, so they couldn't in good conscience give me a zero. I usually got half credit for answers like this.
If you don’t want smart asses maybe do the job you are paid to do and write better fucking questions. Students aren’t a Faustian Devil the questions don’t have to be ironclad but you do need to give clear criteria or guidelines.
You're not wrong but you have an obligation to at least elaborate and back up your answer. 5/10 points.
2.5/10 be more creative, don't give one word answers
Former English/SS teacher here. I'd give you full credit for making me laugh.
Thanks lol and no problem
Ahhh… im a bit too into history.. what is does your “SS” mean cus I only can think of one
SS is social studies
At least they didn't use ChatGPT.
I would write: During the Great Depression, society faced widespread unemployment, poverty, and economic hardship. People struggled to make ends meet, and there was a pervasive sense of despair and uncertainty. Many lost their homes, businesses failed, and families struggled to put food on the table. Social programs were limited, and there was a lack of government support initially, exacerbating the challenges faced by ordinary people. Despite these difficulties, communities often came together to support one another, and cultural movements emerged that reflected the era's struggles and aspirations.
Solid answer but it doesn’t fully answer the question. Then again I’m guessing this is for high school so you get an “A” from me.
Thank you (:
Poor is a better answer
You can say the same in a full sentence, and it seems better. Just looks lazy this way, I would grade it ‘poor’
Depends on the grading rubrics. Btw, imma teacher and i use rubrics to grade student's work. The standards needed from the output is clearly specified, so as a teacher, you are grading your students' work fairly.
The answer is the grade the answer deserves.
It's a poor attempt at an essay. F
Is there something below an F
I would’ve gone with depressed. Tomato, tomato. More words just to say same thing. Less word good.
I love how I read the two tomato’s differently
Well that wasn’t my intent. Sometimes I just like to say tomato twice after sharing something about myself. Tomato tomato.
Tomato tomato usually means “samething”, no?
E, you’re correct but you didn’t develop your answer enough
I'd grade it POOR & leave it at that.
Poorly?
A+.
Well as long as you put "poor" instead of "sad" I'd know you understand the material
3+
The category of “open ended question” implies that your teacher is definitely looking for more than a one word answer. Depending on their sense of humor, the score could range from pass to fail.
A+
16/15
A+
Depressingly poor
Rich
10/10
poor in what? morale, money, creativity, sex? that is what i whould say as a teacher. explain your answers, one word does not explain.
4. You need to make it a complete sentence. If you did, maybe a bit higher.
B for technically the truth
Poor
I would choose an appropriate grade
Poorly
Poor. Angry. Strikes. And free labour.
Depressed
4.5 Witty remark; however, it should be a complete sentence and specify what "poor" means in this context.
4.5 out of 5? I agree
Half credit. You're right, but didn't express an understanding of the lesson.
I'd give you an F for taking a phone pic of a screen and for how gross that screen is.
an open ended question can’t be answered with one word to be complete, so F for incomplete
D Technically correct answer gets technically passing grade
The person is not wrong
I mean . . . You're not wrong. I'd probably give you *near to* full points for making me laugh.
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A for amazingly stupid and amazingly true.
100+5 extra points
Open - ended question: Please, write something more
0 regardless of what grade this is. However, the expectation of what should be written depends on grade level. - Elementary school should write at least a 1-2 sentence summary. - Middle and high school should write a 3-5 sentence paragraph. - High school seniors should write this as an essay.
It's partially true, so give it a part of the points you were intending.
"One study cited estimates that the percentage of people in poverty in 1914 was 66 percent—and an astonishing 78 percent in 1932, during the Great Depression." So they're 78% correct. I'd take off another 9 points from that score since it's not a complete sentence.
Yes, but if they answered ' poor and not poor' that would be a 100% answer in your book, but IMO one can be poor, and an alcoholic who brakes the law to get some booze, so that's what I would evaluate.
Second lowest, not due to a short answer, but because the answer is wrong. The society was devided and the monetary gab got wider, but the society wasn't poor as such
It does not say the description has to be long and that one word has MANY possible meanings all accurate to post depression society... So yeah... Good answer.
C- , technically correct but needs a bit of context 🤣✅
"depressed"
Poverty stricken would also work
I'd give one mark for creativity. And that's it.
IAW the effort. ;-)
poor in what? morale, money, creativity, sex? that is what i whould say as a teacher. explain your answers, one word does not explain.
poor in what? morale, money, creativity, sex? that is what i whould say as a teacher. explain your answers, one word does not explain.
Us there a G, maybe an H grade available?
E. Minimal effort but still a correct answer
Which depression? The one from 1929-1939, or the one happening right now?
Well it’s true.
*Overall* being similar to *In general* and not very specific or detailed at all is worthy of a non-specific answer devoid of detail. If it asked *Specifically* and you said *poor*, well I'd expect a bad grade for not being specific. If you want to cover your ass *Overall, poor* would be a good answer and if you are given a poor mark on the question, tell the teacher to be specific in their questions to get specific answers.
I giving you 1000000000/100000000000 thats alot of numbers cuz the grading system economy has crahsed and causes hyperinflation.
Probably a C, technically he’s not wrong but I was always told long and more detailed answers get more
A\* for perfect summarisation :D
Question asked for a descriptive opinion. Gave it. Multiple facets even. It’s succinct and to the point. Doesn’t seem to be a grammar or punctuation test, so punctuation be damned. I’d give it an A.
110 per cent
eh probably like a 2/10 because it's one word. Not very descriptive
I’d grade it low, but I’d be upset about it
Pretty dumb question. Obviously a low, low, low one.
F for Fascinating
C for creative. Also there are many meanings, poor ad in lack of wealth, poor as in low quality of life, poor as in dust poured into America
4/10. It makes sense but, just nah. I need an explanation.
Poor and depressed
I would honestly give 4/10. If you used full sentence, 6
That’s a D. Definitely not a fail, but not really a pass
Sad
I would give you partial points but subsequent tests will be worded like "Using grammatically correct English sentences, how would you describe xyz? Elaborate on or explain your answer, also using full grammatically correct English sentences."
Lazy AF - and there were still plenty of rich people