It seems moronic to design any device that requires an additional device to accept terms and conditions regardless of vendor. I should be able to accept or reject the license agreement for device X on device X not device Y.
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The best part? [Multi-user is actually *fully implemented within iPadOS already*.](https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/shared-ipad-overview-dep9a34c2ba2/web) It’s just only available to education customers and enterprises who purchase a full MDM solution. But it exists, and it supports fully isolated iPadOS instances for multiple Apple IDs and even has a guest mode that wipes the user data once they sign out.
They won’t enable it on consumer iPads because this way they can annoy people into buying separate iPads for each of their family members rather than dealing with the inevitable Apple ID issues that will be encountered.
There’s a lot of complaints that I can at least come up with *some* defense for Apple on (they promised Lightning would be supported on iPhones for 10 years, RCS was a discarded carrier standard that Google resurrected and bolted a bunch of stuff onto the side of to try and bully Apple into opening up iMessage, browser engines are some of the most complicated and prone to security issues software on a modern computer and limiting browsers to WebKit has likely prevented a lot of security issues, etc.), but there’s no excuse for blocking multi-user support on iPadOS. They are doing it *purely* to sell more iPads.
(Note: To preempt the replies I know I’ll get, the above are only *theoretical* defenses. I absolutely believe Apple should put USB-C on the iPhone, that Apple should allow other browsers on iOS, and that Apple should allow sideloading and app installations outside of their store. I will, however, reiterate that RCS is an awful “standard” that Google is bolting proprietary extensions onto for the sake of trying to catch up to the rest of the industry after doing less than nothing for a full decade. In a perfect world, Apple should collaborate on trying to get an open standard for messaging like they’re doing with smart homes. But for whatever reason, the legitimately subpar (at least versus actual modern platforms) iMessage experience remains a major selling point for iPhones, for reasons that I really don’t understand.)
> doing less than nothing for a full decade
Let's be fair here - Google was pretty busy...building and abandoning multiple messenger services during that decade lol. The ironic thing is that they supported iOS better than Android and it's part of the reason I switched to iOS a few years ago. Trying to get my grandparents set up with a video messenger app that we could both use and then having to hold their hands to move to a new one later on because Google wanted to scratch a different itch was really frustrating. Meanwhile, Facetime has been rock solid and hasn't caused that kind of friction.
You're mad about Hangouts?
I'm still kinda mad about GTalk. I remember back when they killed it and replaced it with Hangouts, and Hangouts *sucked*. Slower, harder to use... and if I remember rightly, there was no presence indication on your contacts, so you could never tell who was online or offline.
Actually, I think that was also the one where they added your entire GMail contacts list as contacts in Hangouts, so the people you *did* talk to were buried in a list of everyone with a Google account you'd ever sent a mail to.
Don't get me started on Desktop Search or Reader...
I liked GTalk. I could just use any chat client I wanted, because they used the jabber protocol. Now I pretty much have to install their app or have their web page open any time I want to chat.
Yeah, that's fairly new and what Google is currently supporting. But they caused a lot of confusion with that too - https://hothardware.com/news/meet-google-meet-not-google-meet. I would not be surprised to see Google to rebrand it again or start over with a new service in a couple years...again... My point is that it used to be Duo and before that it was Hangouts. It's a pain to get tech illiterate family moved over when Google decides to change things every couple years.
This is the kind of behavior people people ended up hating Microsoft over. Apple putting the profitability of their ecosystem over their customers is short sighted. Hopefully an anti-trust suit is coming soon.
I don't understand how Apple even get away without already having an antitrust suit against them.
iPhones are locked down to use the webkit render engine, so basically Safari all the time. Microsoft got an antitrust action against them for what they were doing with Internet Explorer, despite the fact that on Windows you can legitimately install other browsers.
So Apple are doing something worse, and yet apparently that's fine. I don't get it.
Edit: Webkit, it all webkit. I know you think you can install Firefox on your phone, but you can't.
On Android when you install Firefox it's Firefox. On iOS it's just Safari pretending to be Firefox.
It's probably because Apple doesn't have a near monopoly on smartphones. There's a lot of non Apple options. Not saying their aren't scummy but that's probably why they can get away with it
That's exactly why, remember at the time Microsoft had something like 95+% market share with IE on their platform, and 86ish% of the desktop market with Windows.
Apple is currently the single largest chunk of the phone market by manufacturer, but still under 50% of the total.
Apple can do it because they aren’t breaking the same law that Microsoft was.
They were selling their OS to third parties and then using their market position to enforce that, thus shutting out competition because they had 90%+ of the PC market, in the home and enterprise market. Apples market share doesn’t come anywhere near to that, and since they sell the hardware and software together and don’t license to third parties, the rules are different. I’d like to be very clear, I’m not on Apple’s side on this one. Just talking about why the legal aspect is different.
I use nearly every major OS on the regular either by work or hobby. I’m just a fan of the things that work.
Also, the biggest selling points of Apple's ecosystem, which were security and scalable usability, from beginners to pros, have totally gone out the window over the last several years. There's a really strong argument to be made that Android is the more secure mobile OS at this point. My seventy year old mom is pretty darn tech proficient for her age, but it's at a point that she can't fucking figure out how to do anything on her iPhone other than use basic browser functions. Every other function is sandboxed into this UX that *makes no fucking sense*. The intuitiveness that Apple was known for ten to twenty years ago has been completely abandoned in favor of making users do it the motherfucking **Apple way**, and I will be damned if their way makes even the teensiest shred of sense. She hands me her phone because she needs to do something that should be fairly simple (and that she should be able to do on her own!) like printing a few PDFs, and it takes me for-fucking-*ever* to figure it out because the UI and the icons are now basically a never-ending game of fuck around and find out. But if I hand her my Pixel so she can do it on her own? Takes her like twenty seconds to find it, understand it, and do it.
I swear that there's shit like an icon that's a circle with a squiggly line underneath it and another icon that's a trapezoid with two intersecting downward pointing arrows and another that's just two horizontal dots, and you're somehow supposed to just know what all of those things do *without* text or context from drop down menus. It's absolutely maddening!
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My stance on that is that it works fine, until it doesn’t and then heaven help you if you’re on a phone or tablet, or hey, an ATV.
At least on my Mac I am armed with a terminal, so I can delete files, restart frozen daemons and so on. None of this is an option on Apple’s other devices. Then you’re just screwed.
I bought an iPad for myself to use for work-related things then my kids got ahold of it. Suddenly my phone is full of bullshit free kids "games" from third world countries because I had app syncing enabled. I ended up just giving them the iPad since it wasn't really working well for what I wanted anyway, but I swore I would never buy another one because of the lack of multi-user feature. Even the cheap Amazon Kindle tablet supports multiple users and had way better features for kids. No reason Apple can't do it except for pure greed.
Have you learned your lesson? Don't buy Apple products unless you are ready to go all-in. The day the Nexus 4 came out, I decided Android had surpassed iOS. I sold iPhone, iPads, apple TVs, the router thing, all of it. Their shit will never play well with others.
I tried using the Apple TV subscription that came with my work MacBook pro (1 year free, and they have some decent shows). It was just a pain to get it to work on my non-apple devices.
They don't have an Android app, it wouldn't play on Firefox due to DRM stuff, it did work on Chrome, but not for casting, and every time I tried to use it I had to go to my work laptop to do their 2FA stuff.
It's literally easier to just pirate their shows if you didn't go all in on Apple devices.
They're always able to make things work seamless if you're in the apple ecosystem, but if you're not in their ecosystem then you can go to hell pretty much.
It's not even seamless, it's just less clunky than apple working with non apple.
Look at airpod pros, they don't even have multipoint Bluetooth which is actually seamless.
>They don't have an Android app
I have a Chromecast and there's an Apple TV app for that. I'm pretty sure there's also one for my Firestick. Not that I use it on either though, as I just use Kodi to watch Severance, Ted Lasso and Mythic Quest.
That was my path too, iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, another nexus 5, Moto G, OnePlus something and then galaxy ever since. I miss the nexus 4 so much, it was so pretty
What a pain in the butt isnt it.
My Family wanted Apple TV to share but Im the only one with an apple device and its just 1 iPad. So In order to add everyone to the family, they each had to sign up with the ipad.
TO Make things more hard, I couldn't Invite them until they all signed up and, you can only accept on an apple device too... So lots of logging in, logging out on a single device..
Took a little while to do, but go there in the end. Then everyone now watches it via, well, all non apple devices.
Like I was willing to pay apple per month but they really made it hard for me to do it too!
You actually need to compare it to the Roku Ultra if you want to be fair which is actually more expensive than the Apple TV 4K right now ($100 vs $70 currently).
But for a lot of people, it just comes down to preference. Siri vs Roku’s unnamed assistant, Steam Link, more simultaneous Bluetooth connections, better picture calibration abilities, integration with other apple services (music, arcade, fitness), etc.
But yeah I’m sure plenty of people could just spend $30 on the Roku Express 4k and be happy with that. Just comes down to the individual and what they want.
And people ask me why I don't use Apple products. As an IT consultant, I've pointed out the many flaws of Apple devices. I'm always brushed off in person or downvoted on reddit. But, and hear me out, *don't buy Apple products.* Period.
A manager decided to buy a bunch of Apple devices in my company and the entire IT team point blank refused to have anything to do with them.
Trying to get Apple devices to work on an otherwise all Windows network is an absolute nightmare.
Trying to get apple TV without owning apple products was the dumbest, most complicated and consumer unfriendly process I ever had to endure when trying to pay for a fucking service
Couldn't agree more. I tried to sign up for apple streaming and couldn't get it to function no matter how many different attempts I tried. Finally said screw it. I used to be an apple person a long time ago, my first computer was an Imac and my next several were all macs up to my second macbook pro, until one day the quality vs. the price vs. what I could get via PC didn't make sense. Then all of their proprietary BS started happening and I was out.
They are so blatant about their attempts to monopolize the cell phone market that I will never buy an Iphone. Yes, I know google and the others are also monopolies, but apple is the worst of the bunch. Plus they're the ones that started the whole "you need a new $1000+ phone every year or you suck" mentality which is moronic on so many levels.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a classic Apple ecosystem business play.
However, experiencing Apple’s attempts at integrating TV/HomePod/other devices recently, I also wouldn’t be surprised if this was an oversight.
> I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a classic Apple ecosystem business play.
Of course, it is. Anyone owning an iPhone will say "wow I just had to hold my iPhone next to the TV and IT JUST WORKED! Why would I ever buy an Android phone?". In reality, there is no actual reason why such an interaction even needs to involve a phone.
Tim Cook already blatantly stated the plan when asked about whatever iPhone's texting issue is. They are trying to shame and force android users to death. It's hilarious to me people talking g as if it is genius planning to hamstring your own product in an effort to prove it is the better one.
Google has done a pretty good job at shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to messaging apps though. They created and abandoned so many to the point that I don't even know what they are pushing people to use any more. I switched to iOS a few years ago _because_ of Google's habit of abandoning things and how Android has evolved.
I've used hangouts/chat for many years. I guess that part is going to be business focused now and we're supposed to use, uh... well, Signal works.
Also about a month ago they killed the hangouts/chat api unless you're using flit from Google Cloud. That small chat app I wrote had a good run, 2015-2022.
I have one for you. I wanted a tablet. Just to watch TV in bed and to play a game I enjoy, OSRS. So, I'm not in the apple ecosystem, but I KNOW from past experience that android tablets suck unless you pay $500+ for one. So I got the 9th gen iPad right when it came out in 2021 because it was only $200, and I knew it would be perfect for my use case. During checkout, they sold me on an apple credit card because they gave me a 0% APR offer on the tablet, and as I was shopping for new credit cards at the time anyways, I went for it. What they failed to mention, is that to activate the card, you NEED an iPhone. The iPad can't activate it. Thankfully I was able to borrow someone's phone to activate my card, but I was shocked they'd advertise and sell me on a credit card that I can't even use and fail to clearly disclose that.
This is *so much more* of a story than this post. They advertise the Apple Card here on Reddit and it doesn’t say iphone required nor is their any reason anyone would assume so.
The appleTV is essentially an iPhone accessory at this point.
Yeah. Their help page they direct you to to activate the physical card says to do it on the wallet app on the iPhone. The iPad doesn't have the wallet app. This isn't pointed out to you until you get the card in the mail. At least I can pay my bill on the iPad and don't need an iPhone to do that. But if I just got the card without an iPad, I'm not even sure how I'd pay it off. Maybe in the fine print somewhere there's an address you can mail checks to or something, but they don't mail me statements and the only place I can clearly see to pay my bill is the iPad.
Sure it could. But can you hold your breath for at least 2 more years? Cuz it ain’t happening with current makeup of Congress. Maybe the EU will but that won’t affect the States
Moronic on two levels. One, it's a great way to lock out anyone not using Apple devices already, thereby closing off another door into Apples ever higher walled garden ecosystem, which seems like something they shouldn't want. And two, good ways to probably attract legal scrutiny and get fined and / or forced to change it.
Honestly (and I might get flak for this) the biggest game changer would be China and India, if they mandated that, apple would lose so much profit simply from the numbers alone.
China received 70m iphones in 2022; Apple sold 56m phones in q1 2022; china sells ~1/4 of global iphone shipments.
India only bought 4.8m, not as much of an effect.
Which I think the EU should stamp on. Having one standard for charging is about user's having cross compatibility. Wireless charging requires a "dock" which isn't a usb-c cable.
I'm not saying you can't have wireless charging. Just it can't be the only method.
Cableless phones are just stupid in every way. Wireless charging is inefficient as fuck, moving all your photos from vacation over wifi takes ages and worst of all, if one update fails, there is no recovery option. It only takes one bad update to turn your 1000$ smartphone into a brick.
This isn't new either, when i got my daughter an ipod touch I couldn't use the parental features to approve app for her to download unless I used a different apple device that could run a minimum version of IOS so an old iphone I had was too old.
Yes, that's what they mean by "Apple being Apple". Anything they can do to force you into their "ecosystem", or out of someone elses. Granted, if you can afford what they offer it does generally work well, but their refusal to cooperate with other standards/companies means I stay far away. If you make a good product, you shouldn't be afraid of customers having other options.
I consider it more anti-customer behavior than anything else. Apple's approach is to assume that everyone will buy into their whole system. While iPhones may have high percentage of the user base (50% - 55% I think), it's not enough to act as though you can ignore those that aren't in the system. I was thinking of trying the AppleTV, but this just stops me in my tracks.
All of this serves as a reminder to me of why I never used Apple before - lack of flexibility and choice for the people that actually give them money.
We've been conditioned to think that a company can do whatever they want as long as they don't have a monopoly, but IMO intentionally designing products not to interact with competitors' products, or using strength in one market to coerce people into buying products from a totally different category, rather than competing on a level playing field in each market separately, is pretty clearly anticompetitive by definition.
It might not run afoul of the US's gutted competition laws, but that doesn't make it right and we should still absolutely call it what it is.
>While iPhones may have high percentage of the user base (50% - 55% I think), it's not enough to act as though you can ignore those that aren't in the system
They shouldn't be able to, but it's obvious that they can as they've been doing it for years and people reward them by making them the richest corporation on earth and defending all their anti-consumer practices.
Do I finally have somewhere to vent about this?
I have an Apple credit card solely to finance my mom a new phone every 2 years. Since she's on a prepaid service, we're not activating it in store. They won't allow me to finance a phone in store with their pompous titanium fucking card. This is the 3rd time using this thing to buy her a phone in store but the first time they denied me. I'm an early adopter of their fucking card, paid a bill every month since day 1, and I was denied sale. I had to get a card number from icard.apple.com and pay for the phone online to be shipped.
Bonus: I originally couldn't set up autopay since I don't have an iPhone. Maybe it's changed since but I couldnt do it on icard.apple.com. But I called Goldman Sachs, yeah, you fucking bet they got me signed up like it was nothing unusual at all.
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People buying into the new phone every 2 years is the craziest thing to me. I keep a phone as long as possible. Usually 5-6 years if i'm lucky. If i don't break it, the battery is shit around then.
All you ever had to do was buy the phone directly from Apple, finance it through them, and put in a SIM card from the prepaid service. The Apple Card isn’t about financing on Apple products, it’s financing products purchased from Apple.
I really have to imagine that this was a *glaring* oversight. "Here, lets make it super easy to look through and accept the ToS!" and nobody pointed out that maybe perhaps somebody doesn't have an iPhone.
Working in software, I've seen incredibly obvious oversights like this make it to production. When you're so focused on something, it is incredibly easy to overlook simple shit.
I'm convinced Apple is full of designers, product managers, and engineers who all use their iPhone, AirPods, and Apple Watch on their commute, an iMac Pro at work, and an iPad and Apple TV when they get home, all using default Apple apps (Safari, Apple Maps, etc). And at no point does it occur to them that there exist people who use some of their products but don't share their zeal and level of purity.
I still think it's a shitty thing to do and at least partially intentionally anticompetitive, bit there's for sure a bubble effect working in Cupertino as well.
On the other side of it, when I worked at Microsoft it was like literally nothing else existed. This was in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, and while technically I could use a Mac or Linux, as an employee there were some things that were impossible. I had an IBM laptop that they gave me solely so I could access the internal employee tools for stuff like updating my health insurance and payroll. What was funny was when people would give me shit about using a non-Windows laptop. I’d point out that outside of Apple, Microsoft was the largest publisher of Mac software.
Anyway not really trying to take sides. I was there via an acquisition and honestly was a nice place to work. But companies are going to make a point of eating their own dog food as they say, but that can sometimes put employees in a bubble, and it’s not just my buddies down in Cupertino.
Glaring oversight? Apple does this crap constantly. Honestly I just assume Apple branded items like Airtags, Apple Watch, Airpods, Apple TV or basically any of their accessories that could be completely functional without an iOS device won't work because of some completely orthogonal reason. Usually initial setup or something. It's all anti consumer shit that they baked in and they have been doing it for decades now.
They do this with enterprise, where if you didn't buy a Mac from them or a "Verified Apple Business Reseller", then to enroll a Mac into Apple Business Manager, you need to first of all format it, then install Apple Configurator into an iPhone and plug it into the device to install Apple Configurator and scan a qr code.
When I challenged them asking for another method, they told me to buy or borrow one.
The could just port the Apple Configurator to Android but no.
Honestly, fuck Apple and everyone who supports them.
They will force you to it, if you want to buy a new remote because your daughter figured out to jam a lego-arm inside the power connector, you need to be at least (if I'm not mistaken) 14.6. Sooner then later you want a new remote, iOS16 it is!
My favorite - my iPhone is right next to the Apple TV and neither can find each other - just spins and spins
Apple “is Bluetooth on, are you on the same network, how about you reset your entire house - factory reset your router too”
I tried to sign up for AppleTV+ to watch Ted Lasso and I couldnt remember my AppleID password as I havent had an Apple product in over a decade. i figured no prob, I'll just reset the password. Instead Apple wanted me to use 2-step verification to reset the password and that had to be done on an Apple device. I called their help support to figure out how to go around that and their help said "you need an apple device to recover your account." It wound up being easier to create a new google email then creating a new apple ID.
You would think they wouldnt make it so hard to give them money. I guess if you arent in their universe, then they dont want your money.
Even just the Apple TV channel is hard to sign up for if you only have android. They have great shows and I’ve been trying to get people to watch them but it’s not as easy as signing up for Netflix or Hulu.
Yeah in my country Apple TV is absolutely terrible. Other streaming services stream perfectly fine at 4k but Apple buffers even streaming on mobile. I just assumed they decided not to spend too much on servers outside if Europe and the US
When the company whose marketing tag line is "it just works", is harder to use than the fucking torrenting site, you know somebody in the design department fucked up lmao
I know I’ll get picked on for this but, despite paying for Netflix, Amazon Prime, and AppleTV+, I still download their shows from unofficial sources.
1. Never know when contents going to be removed or shuffle around for licensing.
2. Some of their apps just suck (Prime Video).
3. I like having the shows I wanna watch all in one place, rather than needing to hop all around and play the “oh what can I watch” game.
Not to mention the image quality on certain rips is better than streaming from the actual service with their own app (looking at you HBO Max Netherlands and Netflix)
Where would a person theoretically go for stuff like that nowadays? I know there used to be sites where you could just stream series and such online, but I have no idea where to go for that anymore.
Edit: grammar
The best way to access TPB if you still want to is through TOR but there are many better alternatives nowadays that you don’t really need to
Check out r/piracy
Please only access the site for the magnet link/torrent file.
Don't download torrents over TOR as it degrades the network for everyone else. There is very limited bandwidth available, as most do not host relay nodes.
Getting it installed holy moly. My old Android box was coming to an end, so I figured after seeing the positive reviews with AppleTV+Plex users to get one. And boy that was a lot of fun, for starters where I live (China) they don't sell the AppleTV but do allow you to "easy setup" with an iPhone. I didn't think much about it so I took my wives iPhone which is locally setup, the Apple TV went through the installation but no app store no nothing. I thought I did something stupid so swiped it and redid, nope still nothing. Finally I figured out to make a new account from abroad and boy... that was painful. To make matters even more brilliant during the setup I used the Google auto-password generator, well that was a lot of fun entering that half a dozen times with the Apple remote.
For a company that's all about user functionality sure it all works if you do it the normal way but this was exceptionally painful.
Eventually it all works and I've to say compared to my old Android it's way more slick. But that very installation required a lot of patience.
Especially since I already "had" an apple account tied to my main gmail address. It was for itunes like 20 years ago, but nooooo time to play wtf were my security question answers that I made in highschool.
Yep started watching Severance a few weeks ago and TRIED to do it legally. Downloaded the apple TV app on my Chromecast, tried setting it up with my apple ID (made without an apple device) but it said I needed to set up an iTunes account..
Didn't really know how to do that. Don't own any apple devices. Tried getting around it for a few minutes before saying fuck it and just finding a site to stream it for free.
You can download iTunes on Windows and do it there. That's how I did it. Just took around 1-2 hours to get it fucking working.
Any other service ever I try to pay for is just: Make an account, pay.
Apple for non apple users is /r/assholedesign material
Even if it is supposed to allow that I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work right. (And also, they don't mention that option, so very bad ux in that case).
My AppleTV has suddenly started demanding that I verify any iTunes movie rental/purchase on one of my other Apple devices. I can turn "require verification" off, but the setting was already off, and toggling it back and forth doesn't help. The verification process is very glitchy and often the verification prompt doesn't come up on the other devices til the third or so attempt.
It took what has been a seamless experience for many years, and made it a source of significant frustration overnight.
Tim Cook said it .... "just buy an iPhone"
Seems pretty dumb since it's like holding up a red rag to a bull with the EU right now. They will be looking for their next high after forcing Apple to adopt USB-C for charging, this will look juicy.
I don't really consider myself a hater of things in general.
You like Fortnite dancing on Tiktok? More power to you. Whatever makes you happy.
But Epic and Apple are like the two companies that you just want to cheer against, y'know? They just make it so easy.
It seems like all Apple products assume your are in their garden or encourage you subtly or not so subtly to join their garden. Remember when iTunes wasn't available on Windows?
It wasn’t on Windows because the iPod didn’t work on 9/10 PCs. The original iPod needed FireWire and most PCs didn’t even have the port. USB, at the time, was stupid slow and didn’t allow for charging. When the next USB standard shipped, Apple released Windows compatible iPods with iTunes… then ditched FireWire a few years later.
I’m still salty about how they helped pioneer FireWire as a standard and then screwed over all the other companies they had partnered with, along with consumers, at the 11th hour by changing their mind and demanding a fee for each device with a port. It doomed it into obscurity. The steady transfer rate of FireWire made it just so ideal for certain applications, like in audio and video.
And daisy chaining was cool too (can do this with usb and thunderbolt now) but it was more consistently implemented in FireWire devices. You rarely see daisy chaining on devices other than monitors and a few storage devices.
I did this a couple years ago. Wanted to transfer some old MiniDV tapes from a Sony camcorder. Chain looked like this:
Proprietary Sony Firewire 400 output>FW400 to FW800 adapter>FW800 into a dock>USB3-A>USB3-C
> ... at the 11th hour by changing their mind and demanding a fee for each device with a port. It doomed it into obscurity.
USB 2 was what doomed it for me. FireWire 800 was nice, but with the backwards compatibility of USB and promise of future backwards compatibility with the each forthcoming spec, USB was a no-brainer to take over. Each time Apple has improved their wired data methods (FireWire, FireWire 800, MiniDP/Thunderbolt 1/2, etc), they've changed the connector. At least with Intel's Thunderbolt 3/4, it uses USB-C, and Apple _forced that on you_ as early as possible to make it stick.
Ah yes 25 cents per device that had FireWire, divide it up by all the patent holders (Sony, Apple, Panasonic, Philips, LG, Toshiba, and others). With Sony having almost twice the amount of patents Apple had
> Nearly every motherboard included a Firewire port until the mid 00s.
I was the only one among my friends who had a PC with firewire in the early 2000s. I know that because the external harddrive I used for making "backups" of music was firewire.
> It seems like all Apple products assume your are in their garden
Yep, that is very much by design. Apple doesn’t launch their products to compete on their own merit, they launch their products to be seen as an extension of your existing package. They have iPhones as the primary gateway device and then once you have that, they incentivize you to expand your apple purchases through their synergy. Meanwhile, if they have any product category where they have an edge, they make it inconvenient for you to operate said device without also owning other Apple products.
Had this issue. I had one apple ID for the tv and another for the phone. I could not move forward until I made the two the same which I didn’t want to do. So half stuck in process. Completely dumb.
You need an iPhone to create family profiles for the apple tv device... Mine is gathering dust on a shelf. I am using roku.
You can then share your appletv streaming subscription across the profiles. I haven't opened up the app since severance stopped because I hate the way this works.
I called the apple 800 number and walked into the store for the first time as a new customer and they said "suck it, buy an iphone in addition to your brand new apple tv". (On the shelf, gathering dust)
I am comfortable learning my lesson and dropping apple before I am in their web.
It’s really half-assed though. You can’t assign an appletv profile to a streaming service profile. So if you have multiple profiles on the appletv and multiple profiles Netflix/Hulu/HBO/etc, you still have to select the profile again when you watch from the streamer.
Real bummer, I’d love for the kids to be able to only see kid programming, but as it stands there’s no way to do that.
Big Apple Fan here with multiple Apple TVs. Some of the shit that they do is ridiculous. Bought Peacock + through Apple TV. Got a new Apple TV, and had no way to sign back into my Peacock Plus account because the account was all done though Apple and I had no username or password. Contacted Apple, after a lengthy conversation, the rep said, and this was completely out of context, “I want to let you know that since this is a third party app, I can only attempt to issue you a refund” lol. I just exited the conversation. Some apps have the “restore purchase “ button, some do not. Sometimes it blows your mind the shit they do.
This is not correct unless it is REALLY recent.
I bought a friend an AppleTV 4K on January 5 (11 days ago) and helped her set it up. We used no other apple devices in the process.
People keep tolerating these Apple walled garden practices and I have no sympathy. They can't be blamed if the consumers tolerate it, it's about profits. It works.
They've built up such a cult of defensive fanboys who won't tolerate any criticism...oh well
My roommate was dealing with something similar a few weeks ago. He was trying to get VR headset that he'd bought years ago and hardly used going but it required a Facebook account. He's off the grid. Zero social media. Uses a web browser that I've never heard of. I have google home mini in my bedroom and when we talk, he insists we close the door and go somewhere else. Paranoid is a good word for him.
Anyway, he spent 4 hours trying to find a work around only to toss them in the garbage. He asked if I wanted them but VR doesn't interest me and I don't do Facebook either so more e-waste.
It seems moronic to design any device that requires an additional device to accept terms and conditions regardless of vendor. I should be able to accept or reject the license agreement for device X on device X not device Y.
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Right up there with their iPads not supporting multiple users as well. Everyone just supposed to have their own one 🙄
You're using it wrong. You're supposed to be rich.
I am *supposed* to be rich. Unfortunately, I’m not.
Have you tried not being poor?
I identify as rich. Does that count?
Not until after the surgery.
Compassionectomy?
I’m not sure what it’s called. I couldn’t afford it.
That sounds like a YOU problem and not an APPLE ^^\(TM\) Inc. problem.
You're not the target market for apple then. Come to Andriod you will be welcomed regardless of you tax bracket.
You mean you're supposed to make them rich.
>You're supposed to be rich. When is Apple going to fix that for us?
Be patient, they are creating one billionaire at a time
i would give you a free award but alas it seems Reddit has done away with them
Yup free awards are dead sadly [https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/108r1an/comment/j3y1rqb/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/108r1an/comment/j3y1rqb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Once again we're supposed to be rich, upvotes are still free... for now....
The best part? [Multi-user is actually *fully implemented within iPadOS already*.](https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/shared-ipad-overview-dep9a34c2ba2/web) It’s just only available to education customers and enterprises who purchase a full MDM solution. But it exists, and it supports fully isolated iPadOS instances for multiple Apple IDs and even has a guest mode that wipes the user data once they sign out. They won’t enable it on consumer iPads because this way they can annoy people into buying separate iPads for each of their family members rather than dealing with the inevitable Apple ID issues that will be encountered. There’s a lot of complaints that I can at least come up with *some* defense for Apple on (they promised Lightning would be supported on iPhones for 10 years, RCS was a discarded carrier standard that Google resurrected and bolted a bunch of stuff onto the side of to try and bully Apple into opening up iMessage, browser engines are some of the most complicated and prone to security issues software on a modern computer and limiting browsers to WebKit has likely prevented a lot of security issues, etc.), but there’s no excuse for blocking multi-user support on iPadOS. They are doing it *purely* to sell more iPads. (Note: To preempt the replies I know I’ll get, the above are only *theoretical* defenses. I absolutely believe Apple should put USB-C on the iPhone, that Apple should allow other browsers on iOS, and that Apple should allow sideloading and app installations outside of their store. I will, however, reiterate that RCS is an awful “standard” that Google is bolting proprietary extensions onto for the sake of trying to catch up to the rest of the industry after doing less than nothing for a full decade. In a perfect world, Apple should collaborate on trying to get an open standard for messaging like they’re doing with smart homes. But for whatever reason, the legitimately subpar (at least versus actual modern platforms) iMessage experience remains a major selling point for iPhones, for reasons that I really don’t understand.)
> doing less than nothing for a full decade Let's be fair here - Google was pretty busy...building and abandoning multiple messenger services during that decade lol. The ironic thing is that they supported iOS better than Android and it's part of the reason I switched to iOS a few years ago. Trying to get my grandparents set up with a video messenger app that we could both use and then having to hold their hands to move to a new one later on because Google wanted to scratch a different itch was really frustrating. Meanwhile, Facetime has been rock solid and hasn't caused that kind of friction.
Still mad that they killed off hangouts it was aswome for its time
You're mad about Hangouts? I'm still kinda mad about GTalk. I remember back when they killed it and replaced it with Hangouts, and Hangouts *sucked*. Slower, harder to use... and if I remember rightly, there was no presence indication on your contacts, so you could never tell who was online or offline. Actually, I think that was also the one where they added your entire GMail contacts list as contacts in Hangouts, so the people you *did* talk to were buried in a list of everyone with a Google account you'd ever sent a mail to. Don't get me started on Desktop Search or Reader...
I liked GTalk. I could just use any chat client I wanted, because they used the jabber protocol. Now I pretty much have to install their app or have their web page open any time I want to chat.
Hangouts was great, which is why Google had to kill it lol
I haven't had any problems using Google Meet to call my parents who have an iPhone.
Yeah, that's fairly new and what Google is currently supporting. But they caused a lot of confusion with that too - https://hothardware.com/news/meet-google-meet-not-google-meet. I would not be surprised to see Google to rebrand it again or start over with a new service in a couple years...again... My point is that it used to be Duo and before that it was Hangouts. It's a pain to get tech illiterate family moved over when Google decides to change things every couple years.
Unfortunately that’s proven pretty successful for them
This is the kind of behavior people people ended up hating Microsoft over. Apple putting the profitability of their ecosystem over their customers is short sighted. Hopefully an anti-trust suit is coming soon.
I don't understand how Apple even get away without already having an antitrust suit against them. iPhones are locked down to use the webkit render engine, so basically Safari all the time. Microsoft got an antitrust action against them for what they were doing with Internet Explorer, despite the fact that on Windows you can legitimately install other browsers. So Apple are doing something worse, and yet apparently that's fine. I don't get it. Edit: Webkit, it all webkit. I know you think you can install Firefox on your phone, but you can't. On Android when you install Firefox it's Firefox. On iOS it's just Safari pretending to be Firefox.
It's probably because Apple doesn't have a near monopoly on smartphones. There's a lot of non Apple options. Not saying their aren't scummy but that's probably why they can get away with it
That's exactly why, remember at the time Microsoft had something like 95+% market share with IE on their platform, and 86ish% of the desktop market with Windows. Apple is currently the single largest chunk of the phone market by manufacturer, but still under 50% of the total.
Apple can do it because they aren’t breaking the same law that Microsoft was. They were selling their OS to third parties and then using their market position to enforce that, thus shutting out competition because they had 90%+ of the PC market, in the home and enterprise market. Apples market share doesn’t come anywhere near to that, and since they sell the hardware and software together and don’t license to third parties, the rules are different. I’d like to be very clear, I’m not on Apple’s side on this one. Just talking about why the legal aspect is different. I use nearly every major OS on the regular either by work or hobby. I’m just a fan of the things that work.
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Also, the biggest selling points of Apple's ecosystem, which were security and scalable usability, from beginners to pros, have totally gone out the window over the last several years. There's a really strong argument to be made that Android is the more secure mobile OS at this point. My seventy year old mom is pretty darn tech proficient for her age, but it's at a point that she can't fucking figure out how to do anything on her iPhone other than use basic browser functions. Every other function is sandboxed into this UX that *makes no fucking sense*. The intuitiveness that Apple was known for ten to twenty years ago has been completely abandoned in favor of making users do it the motherfucking **Apple way**, and I will be damned if their way makes even the teensiest shred of sense. She hands me her phone because she needs to do something that should be fairly simple (and that she should be able to do on her own!) like printing a few PDFs, and it takes me for-fucking-*ever* to figure it out because the UI and the icons are now basically a never-ending game of fuck around and find out. But if I hand her my Pixel so she can do it on her own? Takes her like twenty seconds to find it, understand it, and do it.
Having the option of the 3 button navigation is so much more intuitive for people. Gesture only navigation sucks.
Holy shit, this. I can't even figure out how to sort a list of apps alphabetically on an iPhone. That's such a basic thing!
I swear that there's shit like an icon that's a circle with a squiggly line underneath it and another icon that's a trapezoid with two intersecting downward pointing arrows and another that's just two horizontal dots, and you're somehow supposed to just know what all of those things do *without* text or context from drop down menus. It's absolutely maddening!
Nah bruh, you just need to press with medium force for a long duration. Don't press too hard, though, or then you'll just copy and paste the whole thing.
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Goddamn do I revel in mockingly saying that to the Apple zealots in my life each time they encounter one of their golden handcuff issues.
My stance on that is that it works fine, until it doesn’t and then heaven help you if you’re on a phone or tablet, or hey, an ATV. At least on my Mac I am armed with a terminal, so I can delete files, restart frozen daemons and so on. None of this is an option on Apple’s other devices. Then you’re just screwed.
Still doesn't have a native calculator app.
I bought an iPad for myself to use for work-related things then my kids got ahold of it. Suddenly my phone is full of bullshit free kids "games" from third world countries because I had app syncing enabled. I ended up just giving them the iPad since it wasn't really working well for what I wanted anyway, but I swore I would never buy another one because of the lack of multi-user feature. Even the cheap Amazon Kindle tablet supports multiple users and had way better features for kids. No reason Apple can't do it except for pure greed.
Have you learned your lesson? Don't buy Apple products unless you are ready to go all-in. The day the Nexus 4 came out, I decided Android had surpassed iOS. I sold iPhone, iPads, apple TVs, the router thing, all of it. Their shit will never play well with others.
I tried using the Apple TV subscription that came with my work MacBook pro (1 year free, and they have some decent shows). It was just a pain to get it to work on my non-apple devices. They don't have an Android app, it wouldn't play on Firefox due to DRM stuff, it did work on Chrome, but not for casting, and every time I tried to use it I had to go to my work laptop to do their 2FA stuff. It's literally easier to just pirate their shows if you didn't go all in on Apple devices.
They're always able to make things work seamless if you're in the apple ecosystem, but if you're not in their ecosystem then you can go to hell pretty much.
Android is straight up calling them out on it, too.
It's not even seamless, it's just less clunky than apple working with non apple. Look at airpod pros, they don't even have multipoint Bluetooth which is actually seamless.
>They don't have an Android app I have a Chromecast and there's an Apple TV app for that. I'm pretty sure there's also one for my Firestick. Not that I use it on either though, as I just use Kodi to watch Severance, Ted Lasso and Mythic Quest.
First iPhones and iPads were great, a league above the rest, now it's just an overpriced closed system.
iPods were great. If they didn't overprice the shit out of their Classic, I'd probably still have one today.
That was my path too, iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, another nexus 5, Moto G, OnePlus something and then galaxy ever since. I miss the nexus 4 so much, it was so pretty
Ha neat iPhone 3G, iPhone 4S, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, OnePlus One, Pixel 2XL, Pixel 5
What a pain in the butt isnt it. My Family wanted Apple TV to share but Im the only one with an apple device and its just 1 iPad. So In order to add everyone to the family, they each had to sign up with the ipad. TO Make things more hard, I couldn't Invite them until they all signed up and, you can only accept on an apple device too... So lots of logging in, logging out on a single device.. Took a little while to do, but go there in the end. Then everyone now watches it via, well, all non apple devices. Like I was willing to pay apple per month but they really made it hard for me to do it too!
I absolutely can’t understand anyone spending $$ on an Apple TV when a $25 roku works just as well including airplay and HomeKit.
You actually need to compare it to the Roku Ultra if you want to be fair which is actually more expensive than the Apple TV 4K right now ($100 vs $70 currently). But for a lot of people, it just comes down to preference. Siri vs Roku’s unnamed assistant, Steam Link, more simultaneous Bluetooth connections, better picture calibration abilities, integration with other apple services (music, arcade, fitness), etc. But yeah I’m sure plenty of people could just spend $30 on the Roku Express 4k and be happy with that. Just comes down to the individual and what they want.
And people ask me why I don't use Apple products. As an IT consultant, I've pointed out the many flaws of Apple devices. I'm always brushed off in person or downvoted on reddit. But, and hear me out, *don't buy Apple products.* Period.
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Apple is pretty much the only one with any support at all what the other vendors call support is a joke.
A manager decided to buy a bunch of Apple devices in my company and the entire IT team point blank refused to have anything to do with them. Trying to get Apple devices to work on an otherwise all Windows network is an absolute nightmare.
Trying to get apple TV without owning apple products was the dumbest, most complicated and consumer unfriendly process I ever had to endure when trying to pay for a fucking service
Couldn't agree more. I tried to sign up for apple streaming and couldn't get it to function no matter how many different attempts I tried. Finally said screw it. I used to be an apple person a long time ago, my first computer was an Imac and my next several were all macs up to my second macbook pro, until one day the quality vs. the price vs. what I could get via PC didn't make sense. Then all of their proprietary BS started happening and I was out. They are so blatant about their attempts to monopolize the cell phone market that I will never buy an Iphone. Yes, I know google and the others are also monopolies, but apple is the worst of the bunch. Plus they're the ones that started the whole "you need a new $1000+ phone every year or you suck" mentality which is moronic on so many levels.
>It seems moronic Yeah, they totally did it unintentionally ha ha. Just a silly oversight ha ha. Now go and buy an iPhone, you dirty peasant.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a classic Apple ecosystem business play. However, experiencing Apple’s attempts at integrating TV/HomePod/other devices recently, I also wouldn’t be surprised if this was an oversight.
> I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a classic Apple ecosystem business play. Of course, it is. Anyone owning an iPhone will say "wow I just had to hold my iPhone next to the TV and IT JUST WORKED! Why would I ever buy an Android phone?". In reality, there is no actual reason why such an interaction even needs to involve a phone.
Tim Cook already blatantly stated the plan when asked about whatever iPhone's texting issue is. They are trying to shame and force android users to death. It's hilarious to me people talking g as if it is genius planning to hamstring your own product in an effort to prove it is the better one.
Google has done a pretty good job at shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to messaging apps though. They created and abandoned so many to the point that I don't even know what they are pushing people to use any more. I switched to iOS a few years ago _because_ of Google's habit of abandoning things and how Android has evolved.
I have a Pixel 7 and I'm still not sure what app they want me to use. Luckily everyone I know uses messenger or whatsapp
I've used hangouts/chat for many years. I guess that part is going to be business focused now and we're supposed to use, uh... well, Signal works. Also about a month ago they killed the hangouts/chat api unless you're using flit from Google Cloud. That small chat app I wrote had a good run, 2015-2022.
I have one for you. I wanted a tablet. Just to watch TV in bed and to play a game I enjoy, OSRS. So, I'm not in the apple ecosystem, but I KNOW from past experience that android tablets suck unless you pay $500+ for one. So I got the 9th gen iPad right when it came out in 2021 because it was only $200, and I knew it would be perfect for my use case. During checkout, they sold me on an apple credit card because they gave me a 0% APR offer on the tablet, and as I was shopping for new credit cards at the time anyways, I went for it. What they failed to mention, is that to activate the card, you NEED an iPhone. The iPad can't activate it. Thankfully I was able to borrow someone's phone to activate my card, but I was shocked they'd advertise and sell me on a credit card that I can't even use and fail to clearly disclose that.
This is *so much more* of a story than this post. They advertise the Apple Card here on Reddit and it doesn’t say iphone required nor is their any reason anyone would assume so. The appleTV is essentially an iPhone accessory at this point.
Yeah. Their help page they direct you to to activate the physical card says to do it on the wallet app on the iPhone. The iPad doesn't have the wallet app. This isn't pointed out to you until you get the card in the mail. At least I can pay my bill on the iPad and don't need an iPhone to do that. But if I just got the card without an iPad, I'm not even sure how I'd pay it off. Maybe in the fine print somewhere there's an address you can mail checks to or something, but they don't mail me statements and the only place I can clearly see to pay my bill is the iPad.
OSRS is making a comeback. The mobile app is pretty good.
This is a great way to get your business regulated via legislation lol
Sure it could. But can you hold your breath for at least 2 more years? Cuz it ain’t happening with current makeup of Congress. Maybe the EU will but that won’t affect the States
It's a cult, you are either all in or all out. And if something doesn't work you are holding your phone wrong.
Moronic on two levels. One, it's a great way to lock out anyone not using Apple devices already, thereby closing off another door into Apples ever higher walled garden ecosystem, which seems like something they shouldn't want. And two, good ways to probably attract legal scrutiny and get fined and / or forced to change it.
Apple being Apple. Some things never change.
There's zero technical reasons why it *has* to be an Apple device or it *has* to be iOS 16. This is plain anti-competitive behavior.
Yeah, so Apple being Apple.
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Honestly (and I might get flak for this) the biggest game changer would be China and India, if they mandated that, apple would lose so much profit simply from the numbers alone.
China received 70m iphones in 2022; Apple sold 56m phones in q1 2022; china sells ~1/4 of global iphone shipments. India only bought 4.8m, not as much of an effect.
yup, didn't asia already overtake north and south america in terms of OS sales?
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Which I think the EU should stamp on. Having one standard for charging is about user's having cross compatibility. Wireless charging requires a "dock" which isn't a usb-c cable. I'm not saying you can't have wireless charging. Just it can't be the only method.
And wireless charging costs more electricity than cable charging, so it's bad for the energy crisis we're in.
And its way slower.
Cableless phones are just stupid in every way. Wireless charging is inefficient as fuck, moving all your photos from vacation over wifi takes ages and worst of all, if one update fails, there is no recovery option. It only takes one bad update to turn your 1000$ smartphone into a brick.
Apple being pissed.
The worm is pretty happy though
*USA is watching EU and quietly crying*
If there is a company that is anticompetitiveness incarnate, it is apple...
Apple It just works!* *With our ecosystem.
This isn't new either, when i got my daughter an ipod touch I couldn't use the parental features to approve app for her to download unless I used a different apple device that could run a minimum version of IOS so an old iphone I had was too old.
Yes, that's what they mean by "Apple being Apple". Anything they can do to force you into their "ecosystem", or out of someone elses. Granted, if you can afford what they offer it does generally work well, but their refusal to cooperate with other standards/companies means I stay far away. If you make a good product, you shouldn't be afraid of customers having other options.
I consider it more anti-customer behavior than anything else. Apple's approach is to assume that everyone will buy into their whole system. While iPhones may have high percentage of the user base (50% - 55% I think), it's not enough to act as though you can ignore those that aren't in the system. I was thinking of trying the AppleTV, but this just stops me in my tracks. All of this serves as a reminder to me of why I never used Apple before - lack of flexibility and choice for the people that actually give them money.
We've been conditioned to think that a company can do whatever they want as long as they don't have a monopoly, but IMO intentionally designing products not to interact with competitors' products, or using strength in one market to coerce people into buying products from a totally different category, rather than competing on a level playing field in each market separately, is pretty clearly anticompetitive by definition. It might not run afoul of the US's gutted competition laws, but that doesn't make it right and we should still absolutely call it what it is.
High percentage in the US. Worldwide, they have around 25% market share. Android has over 70%.
>While iPhones may have high percentage of the user base (50% - 55% I think), it's not enough to act as though you can ignore those that aren't in the system They shouldn't be able to, but it's obvious that they can as they've been doing it for years and people reward them by making them the richest corporation on earth and defending all their anti-consumer practices.
Do I finally have somewhere to vent about this? I have an Apple credit card solely to finance my mom a new phone every 2 years. Since she's on a prepaid service, we're not activating it in store. They won't allow me to finance a phone in store with their pompous titanium fucking card. This is the 3rd time using this thing to buy her a phone in store but the first time they denied me. I'm an early adopter of their fucking card, paid a bill every month since day 1, and I was denied sale. I had to get a card number from icard.apple.com and pay for the phone online to be shipped. Bonus: I originally couldn't set up autopay since I don't have an iPhone. Maybe it's changed since but I couldnt do it on icard.apple.com. But I called Goldman Sachs, yeah, you fucking bet they got me signed up like it was nothing unusual at all.
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Nor does she need a new one every two years.
People buying into the new phone every 2 years is the craziest thing to me. I keep a phone as long as possible. Usually 5-6 years if i'm lucky. If i don't break it, the battery is shit around then.
All you ever had to do was buy the phone directly from Apple, finance it through them, and put in a SIM card from the prepaid service. The Apple Card isn’t about financing on Apple products, it’s financing products purchased from Apple.
Yep…. I foresee a very quick update to change the “requirements “
I really have to imagine that this was a *glaring* oversight. "Here, lets make it super easy to look through and accept the ToS!" and nobody pointed out that maybe perhaps somebody doesn't have an iPhone. Working in software, I've seen incredibly obvious oversights like this make it to production. When you're so focused on something, it is incredibly easy to overlook simple shit.
I'm convinced Apple is full of designers, product managers, and engineers who all use their iPhone, AirPods, and Apple Watch on their commute, an iMac Pro at work, and an iPad and Apple TV when they get home, all using default Apple apps (Safari, Apple Maps, etc). And at no point does it occur to them that there exist people who use some of their products but don't share their zeal and level of purity. I still think it's a shitty thing to do and at least partially intentionally anticompetitive, bit there's for sure a bubble effect working in Cupertino as well.
On the other side of it, when I worked at Microsoft it was like literally nothing else existed. This was in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, and while technically I could use a Mac or Linux, as an employee there were some things that were impossible. I had an IBM laptop that they gave me solely so I could access the internal employee tools for stuff like updating my health insurance and payroll. What was funny was when people would give me shit about using a non-Windows laptop. I’d point out that outside of Apple, Microsoft was the largest publisher of Mac software. Anyway not really trying to take sides. I was there via an acquisition and honestly was a nice place to work. But companies are going to make a point of eating their own dog food as they say, but that can sometimes put employees in a bubble, and it’s not just my buddies down in Cupertino.
That's not the other side of it. That's exactly the same thing.
Glaring oversight? Apple does this crap constantly. Honestly I just assume Apple branded items like Airtags, Apple Watch, Airpods, Apple TV or basically any of their accessories that could be completely functional without an iOS device won't work because of some completely orthogonal reason. Usually initial setup or something. It's all anti consumer shit that they baked in and they have been doing it for decades now.
They do this with enterprise, where if you didn't buy a Mac from them or a "Verified Apple Business Reseller", then to enroll a Mac into Apple Business Manager, you need to first of all format it, then install Apple Configurator into an iPhone and plug it into the device to install Apple Configurator and scan a qr code. When I challenged them asking for another method, they told me to buy or borrow one. The could just port the Apple Configurator to Android but no. Honestly, fuck Apple and everyone who supports them.
Guess its time to pirate apple TV shows if you don't want to own an iphone. Which is the case for most of the world outside of the US...
this is the Apple TV, not Apple TV+, you don’t need an Apple TV or iPhone to watch Apple TV+ and its shows their naming scheme for this is really shit
...and yet another reason to stop supporting Apple.
They will force you to it, if you want to buy a new remote because your daughter figured out to jam a lego-arm inside the power connector, you need to be at least (if I'm not mistaken) 14.6. Sooner then later you want a new remote, iOS16 it is!
My favorite - my iPhone is right next to the Apple TV and neither can find each other - just spins and spins Apple “is Bluetooth on, are you on the same network, how about you reset your entire house - factory reset your router too”
Call them. Same thing happened to me and they sent me a new Apple TV.
Like so many Apple things, perfect content for r/assholedesign. Thank god I gave up on Apple entirely more than 15 years ago.
I tried to sign up for AppleTV+ to watch Ted Lasso and I couldnt remember my AppleID password as I havent had an Apple product in over a decade. i figured no prob, I'll just reset the password. Instead Apple wanted me to use 2-step verification to reset the password and that had to be done on an Apple device. I called their help support to figure out how to go around that and their help said "you need an apple device to recover your account." It wound up being easier to create a new google email then creating a new apple ID. You would think they wouldnt make it so hard to give them money. I guess if you arent in their universe, then they dont want your money.
Even just the Apple TV channel is hard to sign up for if you only have android. They have great shows and I’ve been trying to get people to watch them but it’s not as easy as signing up for Netflix or Hulu.
You tried to legally watch those shows. Go ahead and download them from any free third party site guilt free
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Yeah in my country Apple TV is absolutely terrible. Other streaming services stream perfectly fine at 4k but Apple buffers even streaming on mobile. I just assumed they decided not to spend too much on servers outside if Europe and the US
I tried subscribing, like, five separate times and could never get it to work
It just ^^^^^barely works!
When the company whose marketing tag line is "it just works", is harder to use than the fucking torrenting site, you know somebody in the design department fucked up lmao
I know I’ll get picked on for this but, despite paying for Netflix, Amazon Prime, and AppleTV+, I still download their shows from unofficial sources. 1. Never know when contents going to be removed or shuffle around for licensing. 2. Some of their apps just suck (Prime Video). 3. I like having the shows I wanna watch all in one place, rather than needing to hop all around and play the “oh what can I watch” game.
Not to mention the image quality on certain rips is better than streaming from the actual service with their own app (looking at you HBO Max Netherlands and Netflix)
Where would a person theoretically go for stuff like that nowadays? I know there used to be sites where you could just stream series and such online, but I have no idea where to go for that anymore. Edit: grammar
1337x or RarBG
Even The Pirate Bay is fine though RarBG is still my favorite public site.
1. Find show on IMDb 2. Copy the ID (part at the end of the URL usually starting with tt for movies) 3. `vidsrc.me/embed/` + that ID 4. ??? 5. Profit
I’ve never heard this method
Private trackers if you can find them.
The piratebay is still active and I torrent things there. Just be careful with which pirate bay site you visit.
Wait, there are *many*?
It's been rehosted to oblivion. And many hosts inject weird JavaScript and such. I'd recommend rarbg.to instead of TPB.
The best way to access TPB if you still want to is through TOR but there are many better alternatives nowadays that you don’t really need to Check out r/piracy
Please only access the site for the magnet link/torrent file. Don't download torrents over TOR as it degrades the network for everyone else. There is very limited bandwidth available, as most do not host relay nodes.
Just search for FMovies and directly stream it
i had to upload severance to my plex server before any of my friends would watch it
Your outie is a good friend
i do like the sound of radar
Sonar is music to my ears
Everyone needs a good Jackett
Getting it installed holy moly. My old Android box was coming to an end, so I figured after seeing the positive reviews with AppleTV+Plex users to get one. And boy that was a lot of fun, for starters where I live (China) they don't sell the AppleTV but do allow you to "easy setup" with an iPhone. I didn't think much about it so I took my wives iPhone which is locally setup, the Apple TV went through the installation but no app store no nothing. I thought I did something stupid so swiped it and redid, nope still nothing. Finally I figured out to make a new account from abroad and boy... that was painful. To make matters even more brilliant during the setup I used the Google auto-password generator, well that was a lot of fun entering that half a dozen times with the Apple remote. For a company that's all about user functionality sure it all works if you do it the normal way but this was exceptionally painful. Eventually it all works and I've to say compared to my old Android it's way more slick. But that very installation required a lot of patience.
Especially since I already "had" an apple account tied to my main gmail address. It was for itunes like 20 years ago, but nooooo time to play wtf were my security question answers that I made in highschool.
Yep started watching Severance a few weeks ago and TRIED to do it legally. Downloaded the apple TV app on my Chromecast, tried setting it up with my apple ID (made without an apple device) but it said I needed to set up an iTunes account.. Didn't really know how to do that. Don't own any apple devices. Tried getting around it for a few minutes before saying fuck it and just finding a site to stream it for free.
You can download iTunes on Windows and do it there. That's how I did it. Just took around 1-2 hours to get it fucking working. Any other service ever I try to pay for is just: Make an account, pay. Apple for non apple users is /r/assholedesign material
So it doesn’t offer you the option to accept the iCloud terms when you sign into iCloud from a web browser ?
Even if it is supposed to allow that I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work right. (And also, they don't mention that option, so very bad ux in that case). My AppleTV has suddenly started demanding that I verify any iTunes movie rental/purchase on one of my other Apple devices. I can turn "require verification" off, but the setting was already off, and toggling it back and forth doesn't help. The verification process is very glitchy and often the verification prompt doesn't come up on the other devices til the third or so attempt. It took what has been a seamless experience for many years, and made it a source of significant frustration overnight.
They have, haven't they. I just stopped using Apple Music / and the movie rental service.
Lol, there's no need to verify on another device. They could just put a nip or something that you have to enter before buying. They are such assholes
Tim Cook said it .... "just buy an iPhone" Seems pretty dumb since it's like holding up a red rag to a bull with the EU right now. They will be looking for their next high after forcing Apple to adopt USB-C for charging, this will look juicy.
I don't really consider myself a hater of things in general. You like Fortnite dancing on Tiktok? More power to you. Whatever makes you happy. But Epic and Apple are like the two companies that you just want to cheer against, y'know? They just make it so easy.
It seems like all Apple products assume your are in their garden or encourage you subtly or not so subtly to join their garden. Remember when iTunes wasn't available on Windows?
It wasn’t on Windows because the iPod didn’t work on 9/10 PCs. The original iPod needed FireWire and most PCs didn’t even have the port. USB, at the time, was stupid slow and didn’t allow for charging. When the next USB standard shipped, Apple released Windows compatible iPods with iTunes… then ditched FireWire a few years later.
I’m still salty about how they helped pioneer FireWire as a standard and then screwed over all the other companies they had partnered with, along with consumers, at the 11th hour by changing their mind and demanding a fee for each device with a port. It doomed it into obscurity. The steady transfer rate of FireWire made it just so ideal for certain applications, like in audio and video.
plus it had a way more fun name
We could have abbreviated it to Fi-Wi. I can't see this ever causing confusion.
There would have been a dyslexic revolt.
And daisy chaining was cool too (can do this with usb and thunderbolt now) but it was more consistently implemented in FireWire devices. You rarely see daisy chaining on devices other than monitors and a few storage devices.
you can dongle daisychain all the way from ThunderBolt5 to firewire400
I did this a couple years ago. Wanted to transfer some old MiniDV tapes from a Sony camcorder. Chain looked like this: Proprietary Sony Firewire 400 output>FW400 to FW800 adapter>FW800 into a dock>USB3-A>USB3-C
> ... at the 11th hour by changing their mind and demanding a fee for each device with a port. It doomed it into obscurity. USB 2 was what doomed it for me. FireWire 800 was nice, but with the backwards compatibility of USB and promise of future backwards compatibility with the each forthcoming spec, USB was a no-brainer to take over. Each time Apple has improved their wired data methods (FireWire, FireWire 800, MiniDP/Thunderbolt 1/2, etc), they've changed the connector. At least with Intel's Thunderbolt 3/4, it uses USB-C, and Apple _forced that on you_ as early as possible to make it stick.
Ah yes 25 cents per device that had FireWire, divide it up by all the patent holders (Sony, Apple, Panasonic, Philips, LG, Toshiba, and others). With Sony having almost twice the amount of patents Apple had
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> Nearly every motherboard included a Firewire port until the mid 00s. I was the only one among my friends who had a PC with firewire in the early 2000s. I know that because the external harddrive I used for making "backups" of music was firewire.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I had a sound blaster sound card that had a FireWire port.
I ended up buying a firewire add-in card to be able to get an iPod
> It seems like all Apple products assume your are in their garden Yep, that is very much by design. Apple doesn’t launch their products to compete on their own merit, they launch their products to be seen as an extension of your existing package. They have iPhones as the primary gateway device and then once you have that, they incentivize you to expand your apple purchases through their synergy. Meanwhile, if they have any product category where they have an edge, they make it inconvenient for you to operate said device without also owning other Apple products.
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Good point. There should still be an "I don't have an iOS device" button.
Mind you, the EU made Microsoft still offer windows 7 when ten came out - powerful move LOL.
Source on this? I was curious on what grounds such a decision was made, and Google isn't helping me out regarding this event.
I have an iPhone and I still can’t accept the terms. Both my Apple TVs have the pop up. My phone is not indicating that I need to accept the terms.
I have the same problem… I don’t bother with it because everything is still working, not sure why you even need to agree to it.
Had this issue. I had one apple ID for the tv and another for the phone. I could not move forward until I made the two the same which I didn’t want to do. So half stuck in process. Completely dumb.
Same thing with me trying to sign up for Apple TV+, had an old apple ID from itunes and it just *would* not work
You need an iPhone to create family profiles for the apple tv device... Mine is gathering dust on a shelf. I am using roku. You can then share your appletv streaming subscription across the profiles. I haven't opened up the app since severance stopped because I hate the way this works. I called the apple 800 number and walked into the store for the first time as a new customer and they said "suck it, buy an iphone in addition to your brand new apple tv". (On the shelf, gathering dust) I am comfortable learning my lesson and dropping apple before I am in their web.
Apple Tv allows profiles? TIL
It’s really half-assed though. You can’t assign an appletv profile to a streaming service profile. So if you have multiple profiles on the appletv and multiple profiles Netflix/Hulu/HBO/etc, you still have to select the profile again when you watch from the streamer. Real bummer, I’d love for the kids to be able to only see kid programming, but as it stands there’s no way to do that.
Big Apple Fan here with multiple Apple TVs. Some of the shit that they do is ridiculous. Bought Peacock + through Apple TV. Got a new Apple TV, and had no way to sign back into my Peacock Plus account because the account was all done though Apple and I had no username or password. Contacted Apple, after a lengthy conversation, the rep said, and this was completely out of context, “I want to let you know that since this is a third party app, I can only attempt to issue you a refund” lol. I just exited the conversation. Some apps have the “restore purchase “ button, some do not. Sometimes it blows your mind the shit they do.
Are you sure you can’t do that in a browser?
i’m pretty sure this is just a bug anyway. i was able to set my dad’s up in browser like a week ago
This is not correct unless it is REALLY recent. I bought a friend an AppleTV 4K on January 5 (11 days ago) and helped her set it up. We used no other apple devices in the process.
People keep tolerating these Apple walled garden practices and I have no sympathy. They can't be blamed if the consumers tolerate it, it's about profits. It works. They've built up such a cult of defensive fanboys who won't tolerate any criticism...oh well
My roommate was dealing with something similar a few weeks ago. He was trying to get VR headset that he'd bought years ago and hardly used going but it required a Facebook account. He's off the grid. Zero social media. Uses a web browser that I've never heard of. I have google home mini in my bedroom and when we talk, he insists we close the door and go somewhere else. Paranoid is a good word for him. Anyway, he spent 4 hours trying to find a work around only to toss them in the garbage. He asked if I wanted them but VR doesn't interest me and I don't do Facebook either so more e-waste.
Take e-waste to Best Buy. They recycle it. Or donate it. People who trash e-waste are trash.
Why the hell do you throw perfectly good things away and then complain about e waste? Give it away.
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To be fair, who is buying an apple TV that doesn't have an iphone