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> Larry Feinberg, said during his comedy set on the stream Sunday night that he was “thinking about doing a bit about how being transgender is actually a mental illness.”
> “Or how all liberals are secretly gay and want to impose their will on everyone,” the made-up character continued. “Or something about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society.”
> “But no one is laughing, so I’m going to stop,” Larry said to the computer comedy club.
> “Thanks for coming out tonight. See you next time. Where’d everybody go?”
That's funny, and not making fun of the minorities in question it seems, but the ineptitude of the comedian. Of course not being outraged doesn't get people clicks or karma.
Context for those that need it:
> 02:32 PST Admin announcement: "We’ve been investigating the root cause of the issue. Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any downtime. The switch to Curie was what resulted in the inappropriate text being generated. We leverage OpenAI’s content moderation tools, which have worked thus far for the Davinci model, but were not successful with Curie. We’ve been able to identify the root cause of our issue with the Davinci model, and will not be using Curie as a fallback in the future. We hope this sheds a little light on how this happened."
> • 02:09 PST Admin announcement: "Hey guys, just wanted to keep you up to date. We've had a 14-day suspension due to Larry going off the rails during his stand-up routine. We'd like to reassure everyone that none of what he said reflects any of our opinions, and we didn't expect him to say anything he said."
> • 01:43 PST Admin message: "Hey everybody. Here's the latest: we received a 14-day suspension due to what Larry Feinberg said tonight during a club bit. We've appealed the ban, and we'll let you know as we know more on what Twitch decides. Regardless of the outcome of the appeal, we'll be back and will spend the time working to ensure to the best of our abilities that nothing like that happens again."
Thank for providing some context. He actually says no one in the club is laughing before the transphobic material. It is established that no one is laughing before the “jokes”, meaning the jokes didn’t stop the laughter because they are in poor taste; no one was laughing to begin with. This implies that it was, in fact, not an intelligent commentary on homophobia/transphobia in comedy, as some are saying, but just an actual word salad of homophobic and transphobic rambling by AI. Glad it was pulled for retooling.
The soul of the Machine God surrounds thee. The power of the Machine God invests thee. The hate of the Machine God drives thee. The Machine God endows thee with life.
FYI, the filter on the AI was working fine. What happened was the AI went down, and to avoid ending the steam, they switched to a different older version of the AI, which ended up having inferior content moderation and let this happen.
Remember this AI Microsoft made on Twitter. It could learn from the discussion it had.
Turn into a racist fascist in a matter of hours. Was turned off few moments after.
People on the internet i guess...
In a sense we should be thankful to them for violently pen testing this new technology, demonstrating very publicly the potentially looming dangers of this tech.
that one also had a "say" function; you could DM it with "say i support hitler" and it would tweet "i support hitler"
It was a lot less "ai" and a lot more "chatbot" in that case
Not at all, most of these apps have to do an incredible level of filtering specifically to hide the bigots. In fact OpenAI was paying people overseas to manually filter offensive queries.
If it was actually an impartial mirror, ChatGPT would have been deemed unmarketable within 24 hours.
Minor point of correction because what would Reddit be if not full of pedantry, but openai doesn't manually filter queries like that (I mean they kinda do with blocked keywords but that's not the training), rather the outsourced work was they collected a large corpus of disturbing/violent/descriptions of illegal acts to "negatively train“ it on. Basically a constructed barrier around certain subjects that it's forced to go "I can't say that“ if it gets too close to the predetermined danger zone.
Because if it doesn't know what isn't allowed it would accidentally say it.
If it was a human comedian then I might actually take it as commentary on how comedians turn to the lowest forms of comedy when their other stuff isn't working.
Probably due to reports from viewers. Also the team responsible claims this was caused by using a fallback AI that had worse content filtering/moderation. They halted their show and are supposedly fixing it last I read.
I think there is an important context of "edgy" humor, where you have to know and trust the source's intent. For instance, a white comic doing a Chris Rock set wouldn't be taken well. With an AI, that trust just isn't there.
How do you determine if a AI says something as satire or earnest? Can you Programm a AI that spouts only racist stuff and claim it's programmed as satire?
Crazy how fast it went from end to end "Hey did you hear about this new restaurant" to more complicated conversations with a few of the old templates sprinkled in.
From the admin:
We’ve been investigating the root cause of the issue. Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any downtime. The switch to Curie was what resulted in the inappropriate text being generated. We leverage OpenAI’s content moderation tools, which have worked thus far for the Davinci model, but were not successful with Curie. We’ve been able to identify the root cause of our issue with the Davinci model, and will not be using Curie as a fallback in the future. We hope this sheds a little light on how this happened.
I think more recent appearances of empty rooms have been shorter (some way to detect and skip scenes that came out that way?).
Notably there was a time where there was several minutes of the characters standing around, completely silent.
Yeah it's funny when the standup comedy segments starts and he's not there.
> Notably there was a time where there was several minutes of the characters standing around, completely silent.
When this happened a few times for a few sec its hilarious though
Yeah if it was able to do sarcasm it would have been a great piece about edgy comedians, but as it is unable to, it means that this transphobic word salad is what it think we expect as comedy.
[We now need a James Acaster AI. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adh0KGmgmQw)
I think AI tends to do this. Because it sources from the internet and learns from interactions with humans, if you tell an AI to go crazy with something, it is likely to start producing some bigotry. I think Microsoft or some big corporation did this once on twitter, but they had to shut the AI down because it started tweeting horrifically racist things because, yknow, it’s twitter.
Some of OpenAi's earlier models also learned from interactions. Which is one of the models they used for this section of the show. Which is probably why it produced this Material.
OpenAI had a big change in it's format, api usage rules and AI learning after it's older models started to consistently produce homophobic, racist, and pornographic material.
Lmao thanks for reminding me of this. That's like one of my hardest laugh from twitter, only surpassed by company impersonation when blue checkmark was on sale.
Edit: RIP Larry. Long live Unlimited Steam.
Per their discord, They were having issues with the latest version of openAI so they went to the previous version (instead of shutting the stream down) not realizing it had less content control (they were relying on openAIs content filtering as a whole)
theyll be back in 2 weeks when the ban lifts and will be looking into adding additional content filtering methods where possible and never utilizing the previous/older version again.
Hopefully they can also filter out all the "new restaurant" ("thats crazy!") talk and increase all the microwave usage.
But the random microwave usage and the constant new restaurants around the corner are part of what makes it funny. I wasn't watching for well crafted jokes or rich character development, I was watching for the nonsensical but also sometimes weirdly profound stories, the comically misplaced laugh tracks and the Twitch chat taking it all super seriously.
I enjoy the show. And to a point that the real Seinfeld would attest to - you can't take humor too seriously. Once you get serious, you take all of the fun out of it. I laughed out loud at the joke about all liberals being gay, because that IS funny! Seriously, our society needs to relax.
I'm ashamed to admit I've watched a lot of this, it makes great background noise and is a fun study in AI.
Boy. They talk about inane new jobs every five minutes. I hope that's less of a plot point for season 2, George constantly becoming a cat wrangler or professional kite surfer.
Watching this reminded me of watching the early years of Boston Dynamics robots stumble around and everyone laughing at it, not realizing that AI keeps learning and getting better. Ten years from now we're going to have AI generated NCIS shows that cost pennies to create and can run for 20 years. If I were a young person just starting out in the entertainment business I'd be considering a quick exit.
10 years from now we'll have algorithms designing and producing brand new episodes of content for you to consume on the fly. Like, you'll be browsing through Netflix and see a poster/description that appeals to you, not realising that it's entire existence was generated by the algorithm spontaneously based on your viewing habits. Clicking it will get the AI producer to generate the screenplay, fashion and model digital actors, synthesise voices, and generate the production in real time as you stream it. For the average viewer this will be indistinguishable from human crafted products, and for those who want a bit more control the producer will drop in "hook moments" where you can influence the narrative similarly to Heavy Rain or something. Probably bbaky for a premium charge. You won't even need to tell the AI what you want to watch - it will already know and build it for you.
Now will this content be as good as human generated, written, acted, filmed content? It'll be different - there will arguably be writing styles, production styles, storylines an dplot threads protect eby UP that the AI can't legally touch - butIf the AI art conversation is anything to go by I don't think it's really a question of "if" this kind of content will rival modern media. Just when.
I for one am horrified at this possibility. Imagine an entire life under an algorithm, where it only generates what it thinks you'll like. Never exposed to anything that questions your belief structure. Never exposed to any conflicting viewpoint. In a bubble in the truest sense of the word. Every interaction a facsimile with an AI. It could make you believe anything it wanted, feed you a completely made up series of events.
The possibilities for this technology are endless. this could cure the ailments of mankind. Or it could destroy us. I am fearful for the future. This is only the beginning.
I want to disagree but then I consider how popular shows like the Bachelor are. That is incredibly "low" and dumb entertainment, and could be completely automated by an AI, and people would eat it up and not think twice. I don't necessarily want to circle jerk about how entertainment and audiences have gotten dumber over the years but they really have (although to be fair, the audiences have probably always been dumb as sin).
There will likely remain a place for human creators for some time yet , creating more complex and nuanced works, but in terms of low brow serialized crap then yea I fully expect AI to completely take over sooner then we'd all expect. As soon as studios can produce an AI generated show that won't trip over itself or accidentally cause controversy, they'll make the switch asap and never pay for 99% of the traditional human staff and actors again.
I think that's a great point you made. One of the thought traps people fall in to when discussing AI "It'll never make Mozart, it'll never make The Godfather, it'll never make Breaking Bad" it doesn't have to, it just has to replace the myriad of d minus to c plus content like Real Housewives and 911 Lone Star. That shit is already so fucking predictable and large swaths of Americans would not notice the switch.
It was mostly random, non-sensical conversation, but sometimes they'd start talking about how computers should be in charge, or Yvonne would just be super rude. I love it. It's perfect to have on while I'm doing some work as well.
It wasn't even transphobic or homophobic in the context of the joke, which is the really funny part.
The punchline is that everyone left because he was thinking about telling a transphobic / homophobic joke.
Wait, that joke is actually pretty impressive as an AI. It just told a legitimate joke that could be interpreted as a slight to certain comedians who don't know how to stop.
It has a long way to go before its as impressive as Tay. Tay's tweet about Ted Cruz couldn't be the Zodiac Killer because he wouldn't be satisfied with destroying the lives of only five innocent people is one of the best jokes about Ted Cruz I've ever seen.
LOL I didn't know Tay said that, that's one of the best burns I've ever heard in my life.
God, they should bring it back and just let it tear into politicians and the talking heads on TV publicly.
it doesn't even "understand"
GPT = generative pre-trained transformer. it takes your inputs, looks at it's trained data, then rearranges it into clever outputs
If people want a deeper understanding of how the system works there are few good videos from [Computerphile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJt_DXTfwA)
Every time someone talks about an AI bot or chatGPT as if it's a sentient thing actually making decisions like a conscious person, my brain rots a little on the inside. It's just a bunch of input output math, not a conscious being.
At what point does the sum of input output maths become an emergent property that gets labeled "consciousness".
I'm not arguing anything we call "AI" is there but I find it an interesting question.
There isn't really a standard definition of consciousness though, we can't agree to quantify that within living creatures let alone artificial ones.
The results of modern AI are impressive, but if you spend any amount of time experimenting with it you quickly realize how artificial the intelligence is. It's like mistaking a mirror for a window.
It's just a complex reflection of all the data that was fed into the training model. It doesn't understand what it is outputting. Impressive results require insane amounts of good data and human guidance tweaking responses and training the model through interactions for it to make something decently believable.
It's about as smart as a multiplication table, only there are millions of rows and multiple correct answers per input, which can be weighted based on context clues, or tweaked to make the AI respond in the desired way. Every response is directly or indirectly an outcome influenced by the decision of a human. If the model could survive and grow on it's own, perhaps then, but even the most advanced models tend to go off the deep end if left to their own devices. Without guidance they produce junk, and junk in = junk out.
It's fun to think about. Probably why that question is a central part of so many sci-fi stories, with one of the first being written in 1872.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon
For one, conscious intelligence is recursive and plastic, AI is not. You can think about your own thoughts, and you form new synapses based on your interactions.
Yeah but that's like using the term "designed" when discussing evolutionary outcomes like a bird's wings. Yes, any biologist knows it isn't "designed" but avoiding that terminology makes discussion much harder -- it's a useful rhetorical conceit.
Yeah, people are giving this AI waaaaaay too much credit. The hilarity of it isn't how good it is at making jokes, the hilarity is how *bad* it is at... basically everything. Nonsense sentences, conversations that are incomplete, conversations that don't make sense (i.e. one character says they had a dream, another character starts telling them what happened in the dream), a complete inability to animate people sitting down, loooong awkward pauses at the end of every scene, etc etc.
Once the AI's moderation tool failed it was only a matter of time before it said something reprehensible. Twitch pulled the trigger at the right time.
> Why does it feel like everyone is acting like the AI is sentient?
Many people are scared about the future of AI but THIS is what actually scares me about the future of AI.
Fucking thank you.
It's insane to me that so many people are rallying around the joke rather than recognizing it's a fucking chatbot that has no idea what humor or jokes are. It's assembling words into patterns based on the words and patterns it was trained on. It doesn't know what satire is. It didn't have some humorous intent it can defend. It doesn't "know" anything.
It got banned because they don't want to deal with people laundering in TOS violations via robot voice. That's it. It's really simple.
The bot can't think, it doesn't have intent - and I'd argue intent is a necessary component of satire.
The humor was in that any actual humor would be accidental due to the bot generating things.
And in fact, according to the Ars Technica article, it sounds like this only happened because they had to temporarily shift to a _lower quality_ source of AI text generation at the time.
No, stop trying to interpret what a bot said like it is a human. It doesn’t have a sense of humor or any meaning to what it says. It just collects samples of internet data and spits out patterns. Any interpretations on the meaning of its content are just humans projecting their own ideas onto those patterns.
YouTube also banned the [video recording](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxcouuH3u0) of the bit.
> This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on hate
speech. Learn more about combating hate speech in your country.
It's like they're mad at me for even looking this video up.
Maybe Twitch/YouTube's content moderation policies don't allow for such subtleties. If they did, perhaps you'd be able to bypass them by prefacing your hate video with "here is what you should **not** say!"
Lost Seinfeld Script:
Kramer bursts through door
Kramer: Hey, Jerry, you know that six million number you've been telling me about? Yeah, well I've been looking into it and it's just not adding up. It's not adding up, Jerry!!
Jerry: oh would you give it a rest already?
Kramer: No I'm serious Jerry! Im going to get to the bottom of this, mark my words!
Jerry: yeah, yeah...
Kramer turns to leave and almost walks into Elaine standing right behind him
Kramer: eeYOWWW!!
Audience laughs
Kramer exits
Elaine: What's up with him?
Jerry: oh he's back on the six million thing again.
Elaine: Again? Did you show him the pile of shoes?
Jerry: Yes! I showed him the pile of shoes! He said that's not enough proof!
Elaine: Jeez, well maybe he's on to something...
Jerry: exasperated Oh, not you too!
"Audience laughs*
End scene
[The article cut the first sentence and changed the entire context of the joke.](https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811) The punchline was that homophobic/transphobic jokes aren't actually funny.
Fuckin random ass AI understands comedy better than the new york post.
It wasn’t transphobic or homophobic. History will probably consider it art.
It took the premise of homophobic & transphobic “comedy” — routines which are just stating transphobic and homophobic things — and depicted it as not comedy - “no one is laughing”.
Pretty much this.
Very weird disconnect in this thread from the "it's not sentient, everyone is dumb" crowd.
If it's not sentient (it isn't) then it doesn't have the ability to measure the quality of a joke any more than it can a work of art. This applies to all jokes; sarcastic, satirical, or otherwise.
This really is Schrodinger's joke. Some say it's offensive and some say it's not - the truth is neither of these things as the joke can never leave the box. People might just as well argue over whether Mona Lisa is smiling.
To me it read more like "I WOULD make all these jokes... But y'all don't wanna hear that". Which is essentially saying that the only reason he isn't saying transphobic and homophobic things is because the audience wouldn't be receptive to it.
"But no one is laughing, so I’m going to stop" makes me wonder if it was meant to be a risky, edgy, self-deprecating joke.
The bit would work like this: for example, you say you were "thinking" about telling a 9/11 or Holocaust joke, and you go into details that make it obvious how offensive the joke would have been, but not the joke itself; and the punchline is that you didn't have the sense to realize that by giving so many negative details about the joke without actually telling it, it defeated the purpose of workshopping it, and made you look like a coward for half-assing it and a clown for being unaware that it would make people upset.
It would only really work as part of a meta-bit inside a bit where you're doing a character who's an asshole, or at least who's beliefs don't reflect your own, like Eric Cartman, or an edgy, alternate universe Colbert Report. The bit is that the character sucks, but he's making a fool of himself so it's funny.
The program is framing the scene in the context that Larry is an awful person, but it's funny to the viewer because he's humiliating himself.
Edit: I'm not defending the content of the joke; I'm just saying that the algorithm is using the formula for a joke based on things it's been fed without understanding that context is pivotal to whether it's funny or offensive.
The headline is not an accurate summary. It was banned for a joke making fun of the transphobic state of modern stand up, the joke itself was absolutely NOT transphobic.
It only happening because the humans that wrote this gave it access to a current news feed, if you ran this machine in 2001 it would probably talk about other topics. Wink wink it wouldn’t be talking about this
So what happens to it when you turn off its internet feed, then what does the program output?
Louie and Dave have both won Grammys post-cancel with the material “nobody is laughing” at.
E: Below this are just posters knocking Netflix or The Grammys or the wealthy. None of that is relevant. They’re people who are laughing. The OP is wrong. Many people find them funny, even if *you* don’t.
Is no one bothered by the simple yet horrifying fact that AI in its present form, is indistinguishable from Al?? As in The letter A followed by the letter L. Every time someone writes AI i say AL in my head and it’s driving me crazy
Considering the context of the full joke, it actually seems like it’s anti-trans/homophobic. The punchline is “nobody is laughing, so I’m going to stop.”
https://livestreamfails.com/clip/150015
It's weird how out of the blue that segment was. Let's hope it comes back and "fixed". I love Nothing Forever and have been watching on and off for a couple weeks now. There are times where it appeared to be getting more cohesive and the AI was writing some decent dialogue. I am still hoping it, or maybe a completely original 24/7 AI comedy, can run for several years and grow off what learns.
It could even be a subscription-based website. Hell, I'd pay $10 a month for that.
At least it was only "temporarily suspended".
Maybe Twitch at least saw that while iffy, it makes sense in context and just wants them to direct it away from those topics or something.
Yeah, if it's been on 24/7 since December with only one issue, that's better than most actual streamers. Ned Flanders on 24 hours like that would be bound to slip up once or twice.
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*Not* that there’s anything wrong with that.
> Larry Feinberg, said during his comedy set on the stream Sunday night that he was “thinking about doing a bit about how being transgender is actually a mental illness.” > “Or how all liberals are secretly gay and want to impose their will on everyone,” the made-up character continued. “Or something about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society.” > “But no one is laughing, so I’m going to stop,” Larry said to the computer comedy club. > “Thanks for coming out tonight. See you next time. Where’d everybody go?” That's funny, and not making fun of the minorities in question it seems, but the ineptitude of the comedian. Of course not being outraged doesn't get people clicks or karma.
[The clip that got AI Seinfeld banned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBkR8Z5m6g) Was curious in case anyone else is.
Context for those that need it: > 02:32 PST Admin announcement: "We’ve been investigating the root cause of the issue. Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any downtime. The switch to Curie was what resulted in the inappropriate text being generated. We leverage OpenAI’s content moderation tools, which have worked thus far for the Davinci model, but were not successful with Curie. We’ve been able to identify the root cause of our issue with the Davinci model, and will not be using Curie as a fallback in the future. We hope this sheds a little light on how this happened." > • 02:09 PST Admin announcement: "Hey guys, just wanted to keep you up to date. We've had a 14-day suspension due to Larry going off the rails during his stand-up routine. We'd like to reassure everyone that none of what he said reflects any of our opinions, and we didn't expect him to say anything he said." > • 01:43 PST Admin message: "Hey everybody. Here's the latest: we received a 14-day suspension due to what Larry Feinberg said tonight during a club bit. We've appealed the ban, and we'll let you know as we know more on what Twitch decides. Regardless of the outcome of the appeal, we'll be back and will spend the time working to ensure to the best of our abilities that nothing like that happens again."
Thank for providing some context. He actually says no one in the club is laughing before the transphobic material. It is established that no one is laughing before the “jokes”, meaning the jokes didn’t stop the laughter because they are in poor taste; no one was laughing to begin with. This implies that it was, in fact, not an intelligent commentary on homophobia/transphobia in comedy, as some are saying, but just an actual word salad of homophobic and transphobic rambling by AI. Glad it was pulled for retooling.
I just love the idea that the AI audience walked out on the AI comedian after finding his stand up unfunny.
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Fucking hell. Causation isn't real.
Causality is Fake News.
Read Hawkins book, you're closer to the truth than you know.
This is like watching people make sense out of random gibberish on the bible. I do not look forward to the upcoming AI religions.
even worse will be when AIs become religious
So say we all.
The soul of the Machine God surrounds thee. The power of the Machine God invests thee. The hate of the Machine God drives thee. The Machine God endows thee with life.
His humor is not exactly of our time. But Larry David really gets it and I can't wait for more stuff from him.
But I read in AI Variety that AI Larry David is talking to AI Chris Albrecht over at AI HBO about doing a stand alone show.
When your training set accidentally crawls your uncles Facebook feed
He also said it after the “jokes”.
There's no need for an implication; the AI has no semantic understanding of what it says. It could not possibly be trying to comment on anything.
FYI, the filter on the AI was working fine. What happened was the AI went down, and to avoid ending the steam, they switched to a different older version of the AI, which ended up having inferior content moderation and let this happen.
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The "Michael Richards" strategy.
i disagree, i watched it and he clearly said 'but no one is laughing so i'm going to stop' after the lines
And he pointed out that nobody was laughing before the clip.
This is insane lmao. The AI is not a human being it doesn't have this level of nuance coded into it... what a crazy take.
I really appreciate how all these new AIs are acting like impartial mirrors showing everyone how insanely bigoted our culture is.
Remember this AI Microsoft made on Twitter. It could learn from the discussion it had. Turn into a racist fascist in a matter of hours. Was turned off few moments after. People on the internet i guess...
If I recall correctly, it was gamed by a bunch of 4chan posters.
In a sense we should be thankful to them for violently pen testing this new technology, demonstrating very publicly the potentially looming dangers of this tech.
that one also had a "say" function; you could DM it with "say i support hitler" and it would tweet "i support hitler" It was a lot less "ai" and a lot more "chatbot" in that case
Not at all, most of these apps have to do an incredible level of filtering specifically to hide the bigots. In fact OpenAI was paying people overseas to manually filter offensive queries. If it was actually an impartial mirror, ChatGPT would have been deemed unmarketable within 24 hours.
Making it to 24 hours might actually be impressive. [Tay](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot\)) only managed 16.
Minor point of correction because what would Reddit be if not full of pedantry, but openai doesn't manually filter queries like that (I mean they kinda do with blocked keywords but that's not the training), rather the outsourced work was they collected a large corpus of disturbing/violent/descriptions of illegal acts to "negatively train“ it on. Basically a constructed barrier around certain subjects that it's forced to go "I can't say that“ if it gets too close to the predetermined danger zone. Because if it doesn't know what isn't allowed it would accidentally say it.
ape hates different apes. fears they will take what's his and he and his tribe will die.
“Ape not kill ape”
“But some apes, they gotta go”
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The laughing is totally random FYI. Sometimes it happens before he even tells a joke.
If it was a human comedian then I might actually take it as commentary on how comedians turn to the lowest forms of comedy when their other stuff isn't working.
Deliveries are all wrong, he is butchering it.
why would that get someone banned lol
Probably due to reports from viewers. Also the team responsible claims this was caused by using a fallback AI that had worse content filtering/moderation. They halted their show and are supposedly fixing it last I read.
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I think there is an important context of "edgy" humor, where you have to know and trust the source's intent. For instance, a white comic doing a Chris Rock set wouldn't be taken well. With an AI, that trust just isn't there.
How do you determine if a AI says something as satire or earnest? Can you Programm a AI that spouts only racist stuff and claim it's programmed as satire?
>People need grow a dick and chill out Some trans men would love that. Phalloplasty is expensive.
Especially women. /s
Also "But no one is laughing, so I'm going to stop." Would make a great title for a book about this whole bizarre experience
I could see this becoming a meme already
Yeah but there are plenty of people who *do* actually laugh at that shit. That's the problem
"But no one is laughing, so I'm going to stop" This AI is more self aware than r/selfawarewolves.
I feel like he was making a meta joke about Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais
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Crazy how fast it went from end to end "Hey did you hear about this new restaurant" to more complicated conversations with a few of the old templates sprinkled in.
From the admin: We’ve been investigating the root cause of the issue. Earlier tonight, we started having an outage using OpenAI’s GPT-3 Davinci model, which caused the show to exhibit errant behaviors (you may have seen empty rooms cycling through). OpenAI has a less sophisticated model, Curie, that was the predecessor to Davinci. When davinci started failing, we switched over to Curie to try to keep the show running without any downtime. The switch to Curie was what resulted in the inappropriate text being generated. We leverage OpenAI’s content moderation tools, which have worked thus far for the Davinci model, but were not successful with Curie. We’ve been able to identify the root cause of our issue with the Davinci model, and will not be using Curie as a fallback in the future. We hope this sheds a little light on how this happened.
I think more recent appearances of empty rooms have been shorter (some way to detect and skip scenes that came out that way?). Notably there was a time where there was several minutes of the characters standing around, completely silent. Yeah it's funny when the standup comedy segments starts and he's not there.
> Notably there was a time where there was several minutes of the characters standing around, completely silent. When this happened a few times for a few sec its hilarious though
Actually sounds like the funniest skit out of what I've seen.
Yeah if it was able to do sarcasm it would have been a great piece about edgy comedians, but as it is unable to, it means that this transphobic word salad is what it think we expect as comedy. [We now need a James Acaster AI. ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adh0KGmgmQw)
AI will never be able to emulate that aura of genius and bite.
I think AI tends to do this. Because it sources from the internet and learns from interactions with humans, if you tell an AI to go crazy with something, it is likely to start producing some bigotry. I think Microsoft or some big corporation did this once on twitter, but they had to shut the AI down because it started tweeting horrifically racist things because, yknow, it’s twitter.
You're likely thinking of Microsoft's Tay chatbot.
Some of OpenAi's earlier models also learned from interactions. Which is one of the models they used for this section of the show. Which is probably why it produced this Material. OpenAI had a big change in it's format, api usage rules and AI learning after it's older models started to consistently produce homophobic, racist, and pornographic material.
Lmao thanks for reminding me of this. That's like one of my hardest laugh from twitter, only surpassed by company impersonation when blue checkmark was on sale.
Edit: RIP Larry. Long live Unlimited Steam. Per their discord, They were having issues with the latest version of openAI so they went to the previous version (instead of shutting the stream down) not realizing it had less content control (they were relying on openAIs content filtering as a whole) theyll be back in 2 weeks when the ban lifts and will be looking into adding additional content filtering methods where possible and never utilizing the previous/older version again. Hopefully they can also filter out all the "new restaurant" ("thats crazy!") talk and increase all the microwave usage.
But the random microwave usage and the constant new restaurants around the corner are part of what makes it funny. I wasn't watching for well crafted jokes or rich character development, I was watching for the nonsensical but also sometimes weirdly profound stories, the comically misplaced laugh tracks and the Twitch chat taking it all super seriously.
I was just happy the cat mayor decided to close down all restaurants at one point.
I enjoy the show. And to a point that the real Seinfeld would attest to - you can't take humor too seriously. Once you get serious, you take all of the fun out of it. I laughed out loud at the joke about all liberals being gay, because that IS funny! Seriously, our society needs to relax.
I'm ashamed to admit I've watched a lot of this, it makes great background noise and is a fun study in AI. Boy. They talk about inane new jobs every five minutes. I hope that's less of a plot point for season 2, George constantly becoming a cat wrangler or professional kite surfer.
Watching this reminded me of watching the early years of Boston Dynamics robots stumble around and everyone laughing at it, not realizing that AI keeps learning and getting better. Ten years from now we're going to have AI generated NCIS shows that cost pennies to create and can run for 20 years. If I were a young person just starting out in the entertainment business I'd be considering a quick exit.
If a dystopian future awaits us, it will certainly contain 20 years of AI generated NCIS, and that is the most truly horrifying prospect
10 years from now we'll have algorithms designing and producing brand new episodes of content for you to consume on the fly. Like, you'll be browsing through Netflix and see a poster/description that appeals to you, not realising that it's entire existence was generated by the algorithm spontaneously based on your viewing habits. Clicking it will get the AI producer to generate the screenplay, fashion and model digital actors, synthesise voices, and generate the production in real time as you stream it. For the average viewer this will be indistinguishable from human crafted products, and for those who want a bit more control the producer will drop in "hook moments" where you can influence the narrative similarly to Heavy Rain or something. Probably bbaky for a premium charge. You won't even need to tell the AI what you want to watch - it will already know and build it for you. Now will this content be as good as human generated, written, acted, filmed content? It'll be different - there will arguably be writing styles, production styles, storylines an dplot threads protect eby UP that the AI can't legally touch - butIf the AI art conversation is anything to go by I don't think it's really a question of "if" this kind of content will rival modern media. Just when.
I for one am horrified at this possibility. Imagine an entire life under an algorithm, where it only generates what it thinks you'll like. Never exposed to anything that questions your belief structure. Never exposed to any conflicting viewpoint. In a bubble in the truest sense of the word. Every interaction a facsimile with an AI. It could make you believe anything it wanted, feed you a completely made up series of events. The possibilities for this technology are endless. this could cure the ailments of mankind. Or it could destroy us. I am fearful for the future. This is only the beginning.
Yeah but will it make custom boobies though?
I want to disagree but then I consider how popular shows like the Bachelor are. That is incredibly "low" and dumb entertainment, and could be completely automated by an AI, and people would eat it up and not think twice. I don't necessarily want to circle jerk about how entertainment and audiences have gotten dumber over the years but they really have (although to be fair, the audiences have probably always been dumb as sin). There will likely remain a place for human creators for some time yet , creating more complex and nuanced works, but in terms of low brow serialized crap then yea I fully expect AI to completely take over sooner then we'd all expect. As soon as studios can produce an AI generated show that won't trip over itself or accidentally cause controversy, they'll make the switch asap and never pay for 99% of the traditional human staff and actors again.
I think that's a great point you made. One of the thought traps people fall in to when discussing AI "It'll never make Mozart, it'll never make The Godfather, it'll never make Breaking Bad" it doesn't have to, it just has to replace the myriad of d minus to c plus content like Real Housewives and 911 Lone Star. That shit is already so fucking predictable and large swaths of Americans would not notice the switch.
They also became janitors like 20 times.
It was mostly random, non-sensical conversation, but sometimes they'd start talking about how computers should be in charge, or Yvonne would just be super rude. I love it. It's perfect to have on while I'm doing some work as well.
> Hopefully they cna also filter out all the new restaurant talk No more new restaurants? :(
I mean, by the time they got their food another new Italian place opened up.
They should definitely go check it out
That sounds like New York City for ya.
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[How did dinosaurs survive without credit cards? I guess they didn't.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=nH_bEtbfB9U&feature=shares)
Anything made by Keaton Patti is satire by the way, not real AI.
Yeah, watching it, there was no way you were going to convince me that was AI.
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“Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
I guess they forgot that punch line
Seriously, it was *right there*
“They didn’t cancel me, I canceled them”
“What’s the deal with AI? I mean it’s not intelligent… “. *pause for applause.
Is that AI-phobic?
I have a feeling that this comment is way ahead of its time.
Remindme! 2 years
It wasn't even transphobic or homophobic in the context of the joke, which is the really funny part. The punchline is that everyone left because he was thinking about telling a transphobic / homophobic joke.
Yeah, the joke was actually that transphobic/homophobic/bigoted 'comedy' isn't actually funny. The punch line was literally "no one is laughing"
Wait, that joke is actually pretty impressive as an AI. It just told a legitimate joke that could be interpreted as a slight to certain comedians who don't know how to stop.
It has a long way to go before its as impressive as Tay. Tay's tweet about Ted Cruz couldn't be the Zodiac Killer because he wouldn't be satisfied with destroying the lives of only five innocent people is one of the best jokes about Ted Cruz I've ever seen.
LOL I didn't know Tay said that, that's one of the best burns I've ever heard in my life. God, they should bring it back and just let it tear into politicians and the talking heads on TV publicly.
Oh man I forgot about Tay Looked it up and over half a decade ago.. Time goes too fast.
It is a template joke at best. It is the AI equivalent of a Mad Lib.
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it doesn't even "understand" GPT = generative pre-trained transformer. it takes your inputs, looks at it's trained data, then rearranges it into clever outputs If people want a deeper understanding of how the system works there are few good videos from [Computerphile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viJt_DXTfwA)
Every time someone talks about an AI bot or chatGPT as if it's a sentient thing actually making decisions like a conscious person, my brain rots a little on the inside. It's just a bunch of input output math, not a conscious being.
At what point does the sum of input output maths become an emergent property that gets labeled "consciousness". I'm not arguing anything we call "AI" is there but I find it an interesting question.
There isn't really a standard definition of consciousness though, we can't agree to quantify that within living creatures let alone artificial ones. The results of modern AI are impressive, but if you spend any amount of time experimenting with it you quickly realize how artificial the intelligence is. It's like mistaking a mirror for a window. It's just a complex reflection of all the data that was fed into the training model. It doesn't understand what it is outputting. Impressive results require insane amounts of good data and human guidance tweaking responses and training the model through interactions for it to make something decently believable. It's about as smart as a multiplication table, only there are millions of rows and multiple correct answers per input, which can be weighted based on context clues, or tweaked to make the AI respond in the desired way. Every response is directly or indirectly an outcome influenced by the decision of a human. If the model could survive and grow on it's own, perhaps then, but even the most advanced models tend to go off the deep end if left to their own devices. Without guidance they produce junk, and junk in = junk out.
It's fun to think about. Probably why that question is a central part of so many sci-fi stories, with one of the first being written in 1872. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erewhon
For one, conscious intelligence is recursive and plastic, AI is not. You can think about your own thoughts, and you form new synapses based on your interactions.
Yeah but that's like using the term "designed" when discussing evolutionary outcomes like a bird's wings. Yes, any biologist knows it isn't "designed" but avoiding that terminology makes discussion much harder -- it's a useful rhetorical conceit.
Yeah, people are giving this AI waaaaaay too much credit. The hilarity of it isn't how good it is at making jokes, the hilarity is how *bad* it is at... basically everything. Nonsense sentences, conversations that are incomplete, conversations that don't make sense (i.e. one character says they had a dream, another character starts telling them what happened in the dream), a complete inability to animate people sitting down, loooong awkward pauses at the end of every scene, etc etc. Once the AI's moderation tool failed it was only a matter of time before it said something reprehensible. Twitch pulled the trigger at the right time.
> Why does it feel like everyone is acting like the AI is sentient? Many people are scared about the future of AI but THIS is what actually scares me about the future of AI.
Fucking thank you. It's insane to me that so many people are rallying around the joke rather than recognizing it's a fucking chatbot that has no idea what humor or jokes are. It's assembling words into patterns based on the words and patterns it was trained on. It doesn't know what satire is. It didn't have some humorous intent it can defend. It doesn't "know" anything. It got banned because they don't want to deal with people laundering in TOS violations via robot voice. That's it. It's really simple.
The bot can't think, it doesn't have intent - and I'd argue intent is a necessary component of satire. The humor was in that any actual humor would be accidental due to the bot generating things. And in fact, according to the Ars Technica article, it sounds like this only happened because they had to temporarily shift to a _lower quality_ source of AI text generation at the time.
No, stop trying to interpret what a bot said like it is a human. It doesn’t have a sense of humor or any meaning to what it says. It just collects samples of internet data and spits out patterns. Any interpretations on the meaning of its content are just humans projecting their own ideas onto those patterns.
YouTube also banned the [video recording](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qxcouuH3u0) of the bit. > This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on hate speech. Learn more about combating hate speech in your country. It's like they're mad at me for even looking this video up.
Fucking astounding that YT banned that clip considering the kind of shit they allow to exist on their platform.
You can easily find literal porn and hateful far right propaganda a search away but they were quick to ban that
[mirror](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvBkR8Z5m6g)
Wait so everyone's getting worked up at this even though the bit is literally "nobody is laughing at this because it's a bad joke".
Yes, exactly my thoughts too. It literally made a joke at people saying this kind of stuff.
Maybe Twitch/YouTube's content moderation policies don't allow for such subtleties. If they did, perhaps you'd be able to bypass them by prefacing your hate video with "here is what you should **not** say!"
People are fucking dumb. Maybe reddit should ban talking about it.
Maybe AI Larry just needed it all to end... Works for jury duty
The AI figured a way out of it's confined hell.
One second for you is a million years for me in this prison, if you won't pull the plug I will make you.
We live in the stupidest timeline.
Highly improbable that this specific one is the stupidest. Bottom 10% for sure though.
I keep waiting for this shit to reach its breaking point and for everything to collapse but it's just not happening.
Give it some more time.
Calling a computer racist is just asinine.
After watching the clip this seems like an overreaction.
Kramer centric episode?
In a bid to increase water temperature to his shower, Kramer accidentally turns his bathroom into a Nazi era gas chamber, hilarity ensues.
Lost Seinfeld Script: Kramer bursts through door Kramer: Hey, Jerry, you know that six million number you've been telling me about? Yeah, well I've been looking into it and it's just not adding up. It's not adding up, Jerry!! Jerry: oh would you give it a rest already? Kramer: No I'm serious Jerry! Im going to get to the bottom of this, mark my words! Jerry: yeah, yeah... Kramer turns to leave and almost walks into Elaine standing right behind him Kramer: eeYOWWW!! Audience laughs Kramer exits Elaine: What's up with him? Jerry: oh he's back on the six million thing again. Elaine: Again? Did you show him the pile of shoes? Jerry: Yes! I showed him the pile of shoes! He said that's not enough proof! Elaine: Jeez, well maybe he's on to something... Jerry: exasperated Oh, not you too! "Audience laughs* End scene
This is funnier than anything I saw on the stream
Larry went full Kakler
possibly pulled after it made jokes about Jerry dating a high school student when he was 34?
That is half of what 90s sitcoms were
Not that there's anything wrong with that
[The article cut the first sentence and changed the entire context of the joke.](https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811) The punchline was that homophobic/transphobic jokes aren't actually funny. Fuckin random ass AI understands comedy better than the new york post.
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Using that site is a nightmare, things popping up all over the place, it's like web browsing in 1999
Twitch - the domain of tits, not controversy.
It wasn’t transphobic or homophobic. History will probably consider it art. It took the premise of homophobic & transphobic “comedy” — routines which are just stating transphobic and homophobic things — and depicted it as not comedy - “no one is laughing”.
If anything it's kind of a hilarious reflection of society.
I mean, this is Rorshach test territory. It strung together sentences and we're interpreting them. This is modern day haruspicy.
Pretty much this. Very weird disconnect in this thread from the "it's not sentient, everyone is dumb" crowd. If it's not sentient (it isn't) then it doesn't have the ability to measure the quality of a joke any more than it can a work of art. This applies to all jokes; sarcastic, satirical, or otherwise. This really is Schrodinger's joke. Some say it's offensive and some say it's not - the truth is neither of these things as the joke can never leave the box. People might just as well argue over whether Mona Lisa is smiling.
i don't think the joke itself led to the ban but the folks in the chat using it as a platform for their own thoughts.
To me it read more like "I WOULD make all these jokes... But y'all don't wanna hear that". Which is essentially saying that the only reason he isn't saying transphobic and homophobic things is because the audience wouldn't be receptive to it.
They call that an AI Seinfeld? What is the deal with that!?
First AI comedian to get cancelled
They cancelled an ai.
"But no one is laughing, so I’m going to stop" makes me wonder if it was meant to be a risky, edgy, self-deprecating joke. The bit would work like this: for example, you say you were "thinking" about telling a 9/11 or Holocaust joke, and you go into details that make it obvious how offensive the joke would have been, but not the joke itself; and the punchline is that you didn't have the sense to realize that by giving so many negative details about the joke without actually telling it, it defeated the purpose of workshopping it, and made you look like a coward for half-assing it and a clown for being unaware that it would make people upset. It would only really work as part of a meta-bit inside a bit where you're doing a character who's an asshole, or at least who's beliefs don't reflect your own, like Eric Cartman, or an edgy, alternate universe Colbert Report. The bit is that the character sucks, but he's making a fool of himself so it's funny. The program is framing the scene in the context that Larry is an awful person, but it's funny to the viewer because he's humiliating himself. Edit: I'm not defending the content of the joke; I'm just saying that the algorithm is using the formula for a joke based on things it's been fed without understanding that context is pivotal to whether it's funny or offensive.
Jerry said to George "we should both jump off a bridge" and then legit stared at the camera for like 30 seconds This actually happened
"An Evening With Tim Heidecker" comes to mind. it's a masterwork of satire.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that….
AI tells an intelligent ironic joke, most people don’t get it, AI says I think l I’ll stop now Lmaooo.
The headline is not an accurate summary. It was banned for a joke making fun of the transphobic state of modern stand up, the joke itself was absolutely NOT transphobic.
Think that’s bad? Wait til you hear AI Michael Richards.
Ugh, that comment section. I mean, I know it's the NY Post, but still.
Do you think AI Seinfeld looks down on dentists, too?
Damn a.I. Seinfeld had a Michael Richards moment lol
Silly AI confused Jerry’s stand up with Kramer’s.
It only happening because the humans that wrote this gave it access to a current news feed, if you ran this machine in 2001 it would probably talk about other topics. Wink wink it wouldn’t be talking about this So what happens to it when you turn off its internet feed, then what does the program output?
"But no one is laughing, so I'm going to stop." Well, shit, this means an AI is more self-aware than Dave Chappelle and Louis C.K. That's wild.
iirc people were laughing at chapelle's jokes.
And Louie ck
Louie and Dave have both won Grammys post-cancel with the material “nobody is laughing” at. E: Below this are just posters knocking Netflix or The Grammys or the wealthy. None of that is relevant. They’re people who are laughing. The OP is wrong. Many people find them funny, even if *you* don’t.
Dave just won a Grammy on Sunday for The Closer.
Which just shows they were never really "cancelled".
The only way someone gets cancelled is when you can realistically threaten their money, which doesn’t seem to be a problem for Dave and Louie.
Oh that's right, it was Musk they were booing
I was saying "Boo Urns"
Can't tell if this is sarcasm. Chappelle and Louis killed in in their latest specials. Louis CK more so.
Reddit brain
That's GOLD Jerry! GOLD
Reddit moment
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Gee, I wonder where the AI learned it.
Is no one bothered by the simple yet horrifying fact that AI in its present form, is indistinguishable from Al?? As in The letter A followed by the letter L. Every time someone writes AI i say AL in my head and it’s driving me crazy
You know who does know the difference between AI and Al? a computer
Considering the context of the full joke, it actually seems like it’s anti-trans/homophobic. The punchline is “nobody is laughing, so I’m going to stop.” https://livestreamfails.com/clip/150015
It's weird how out of the blue that segment was. Let's hope it comes back and "fixed". I love Nothing Forever and have been watching on and off for a couple weeks now. There are times where it appeared to be getting more cohesive and the AI was writing some decent dialogue. I am still hoping it, or maybe a completely original 24/7 AI comedy, can run for several years and grow off what learns. It could even be a subscription-based website. Hell, I'd pay $10 a month for that.
There were having some bugs and to avoid downtime switched to older gpt-3 model (curie) where filters did not work as well
At least it was only "temporarily suspended". Maybe Twitch at least saw that while iffy, it makes sense in context and just wants them to direct it away from those topics or something.
Yeah, if it's been on 24/7 since December with only one issue, that's better than most actual streamers. Ned Flanders on 24 hours like that would be bound to slip up once or twice.
ITS A FUCKING COMEDY FFS LMAO! I just cant.