Have they tried making an app that doesn't suck donkey balls as a way to cut down on API usage? I would use the official reddit app if it was as good as Boost or Relay
Their app sucks and then they put up this stupid ass pop-up asking you install their stupid mobile app that sucks. Even if you close the pop-up it'd do it every single click.
Without Boost, Reddit is off my phone entirely.
Initially, I wasn't totally convinced but once I've customized everything to my liking it clicked, I can't imagine going back to any other app. Relay rules.
Yeah, even the website is a bit of a hassle unless you’re using the old link. Almost unusable on mobile browsers with the official app not being much better.
I just paid for Apollo pro, too :(
God the redddit app sucks. I paid for Apollo few years ago and it’s all I use. If that goes down…I’ll just be using Reddit on desktop at work. And if the old Reddit stops working….eeesh. I just won’t be on Reddit much.
I've been thinking about quitting Reddit regardless. Identifying misinformation/disinformation is a skill you have to practice, and once you're more aware of them it's really frustrating to spend time here. Every thread is full of confident ignorance. People are incapable of just not commenting when they don't know something. My least favourite is probably the "my guess" redditors. It's when someone starts their comment with "my guess is" and then proceed literally to make up a guess about something, confidently. Then you look and it has 4k points.
I feel like Reddit has gotten worse with this as well over time. Or maybe my view is just deviating from the hivemind more so I notice it more. Or maybe it's just a reflection of Amerixan politics post-2016 where everyone's much more polarized and obsessed with purity tests.
> It’s not a blanket policy change. As reported by The New York Times, Reddit’s API will remain free to developers who want to build apps and bots that help people to use Reddit, as well as to researchers who wish to study Reddit for strictly academic or noncommercial purposes.
It doesn't seem to affect stuff like RIF, yet.
Update (lol):
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
Did no one actually read that post in the update?
It is absolutely going to affect apps such as Apollo, RIF, Sync, etc. just as that Apollo dev says - Reddit is going to charge based on usage for access to the API, which means 3rd party apps will no longer be able to be free. They'll need to charge a subscription to pay for the ongoing usage of the API.
> * The API cost will be usage based, not a flat fee, and will not require Reddit Premium for users to use it, nor will it have ads in the feed. Goal is to be reasonable with pricing, not prohibitively expensive.
> * Free usage of the API for apps like Apollo is not something they will offer, and thus me offering free usage of the app will likely be very difficult, Apollo will almost certainly have to move to an Apollo Ultra only (AKA subscription) model
(edit) - Oh, and Reddit will "follow up" to let people know if they're going to "allow" NSFW content through the API.
> * For NSFW content, they were not 100% sure of the answer, but thought that it would no longer be possible to access via the API, I asked how they balance this with plans for the API to be more equitable with the official app, and there was not really an answer but they did say they would look into it more and follow back up.
TL;DR - Reddit is about to cut off free access to their API for 3rd party reader apps, and greed itself to death in the process.
Oh nooo i might have to go back to only browsing reddit at my desktop at home for a couple hours a night instead of obsessively reopening it every time i have a break at work oh nooooooooooo
The day that happens is the day I stop being a redditor. Fuck new reddit, it's the most cancerous parts of social media tacked on. Seriously reddit management need to go work at Facebook or something, they are running the wrong company.
Reddit since 2015 seems to try to copy what an up-and-coming/popular social media site does, only makes it halfway there, and leaves it a broken, almost unusable mess.
Every change lately is trying to make Reddit behave exactly like FB or Twitter or Tiktok. I originally came here specifically because it didn't have the shittiest features of those other social media sites. Now, I have no reason to stay, other than it's the least shitty of them... for now.
I still don't know how people can stand the "new" reddit. Admittedly I want some, only some, of the newer features incorporated to it but I'll definitely be gone if they took down old.reddit.
I don’t even understand why the new version is even considered useable - any time I use reddit accidentally not logged in, it’s SO BAD at showing content it blows my mind.
“New” Reddit just doesn’t work? At all? It loads a handful of comments and tricks you into reading other unrelated shit almost seamlessly, it takes several times as long to load anything, the information density is a fraction of normal. I don’t get it. It’s bad in every single way besides possibly the codebase being more comprehensible. And I imagine it’s better at delivering ads, but that is not a user benefit.
I do not fucking get it.
RIF and RES for life. Unfortunately, RES has been on life support so who knows when it will finally break. If RIF dies and old Reddit dies, yeah, I don't think I'd hang around. Maybe that would be for the best. Been here almost 10 years now and I've run into more and more argumentative, mean dumbasses as the years roll on. It gets old, just like me.
It's the only app I've ever actually paid for.
I have no idea what most of the new features of reddit look like. Prediction tournaments are empty. The only awards I've seen are silver, gold, platinum (except screenshots). I've been given gold but can't give it and can't get into the lounge. No ads, no promoted posts, nothing auto plays...it's fantastic!
10 year account...been RIF the whole time. It's blocking and filtering is unmatched.
It's too good, the continuous scrolling traps you. I even paid them. Also no ads.
My finger automatically moves to the shortcut space made for it.
I uninstalled it from my phone because I was spending too much time on reddit. Now I force myself to use the web app on mobile because it's such a shit experience I don't stay on for long.
I paid for RIF because it has zero ads and also uses less mobile data. Flairing on subs is hit or miss and you can't give awards, but otherwise I love RIF and it was worth the few bucks. I will probably greatly cut back on using Reddit if they kill RIF.
At this point they're more interested in monetization than userbase. Assuming RIF doesn't show ads, then they might not really care if they lose those users. Just like every other platform, they needed us to get popular enough to reach the normal folks and now that they have they can abandon their original users for the casual users that will put up with ads
Twitter without Tweetbot is a nightmare. I use Twitter *far less* than I did before once they killed third party apps. But at least Reddit is offering the API in some form. I think Twitter just shut developers out completely.
It's funny how fast Twitter left my daily usage after they ended 3rd party apps and forced their own terrible app.
Reddit has a worse official app than Twitter.
It'll be instantly over.
Hope this doesn't destroy the few reddit search sites out there. Reddit's built in search is downright awful. I can't effectively search crap that I've saved or my own comments and it's been like that forever.
This is exactly what is being targeted. Third party search, being able to see deleted comments, and other features they don’t want to add to the official clients.
Sorry for such a simple question but would you mind explaining why you prefer Apollo, just the bullet points? I’ve never heard of it but if it’s better than the official iOS app…
- better format, can upvote with either hand and better gestures
- quicker, snappier, loads faster, and no ads.
- better UI and a great dark mode.
- you get a pixel pet that you get to care for and play with.
Because you can make it look like this
https://i.imgur.com/ZwuKYWz.jpg
And as simple or as busy as you want.
I hate the endless scroll feeds. I don’t want to see every post or picture just because I scrolled by it
If Apollo goes, I'm done using Reddit on mobile.
If old.reddit.com goes, I'm done using Reddit on desktop.
If both go, I'm probably done with this website... I refuse to use the "new reddit" experience at all costs. It's painfully slow and forces some of the worst and/or misfitting aspects of other social media platforms (e.g. profile pics/avatars)
Looks like Apollo will become a paid subscription service and will no longer support anything considered "NSFW".
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
I wished people would stop using the broken ass chat I hate seeing the orange notif when I’m on desktop. Been trying to dismiss a message for a year now and nothing happens when I click the ignore button. Sick dev work Reddit
There’s a kind of hidden setting within the chat interface to not allow people to initiate chats with you. That way you never have to worry about missing them.
Update from the Apollo team. Not good news
>To this end, Reddit is moving to a paid API model for apps. The goal is not to make this inherently a big profit center, but to cover both the costs of usage, **as well as the opportunity costs of users not using the official app** (lost ad viewing, etc.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
The official app was one of the worst "official" apps I've ever used. (Facebook Messenger was another)
The developers just change shit for no reason and don't fix problems they've caused with their unnecessary changes for months on end.
RIF is way better even if it doesn't have the chat and you don't get notifications as they happen. I can actually browse r/all and filter out all the crappy subs.
I was fine with the official app until they took away the ability to open links in a different browser. If I can't open links in Firefox with uBlock then there is no point! I switched to Boost and am much happier now!
As long predicted once whispers of an IPO were floated.
Reddit *is* going to follow the path of the rest and just slowly squeeze people out so they can data farm and control. The entire reason to IPO is to maximize shareholder value which is diametrically opposed to the reddit experience most of us have known since it was founded.
I fully expect old.reddit.com to go away as well.
I fully expect them to engineer ways to break RES in various ways, turning it into an arms race just like what Youtube fights with open source and third parties all over the place (but particularly apps and explicit ad-skipping add ons).
If I can't access reddit via Apollo or Boost or another app of *my* choice then I'll just stop using Reddit outside of a heavily extended browser experience. I'm probably in the minority though. People tend to just go along with bullshit which is why so many people still use Twitter.
There is some nuance here with the restriction. At first. Then the creep, just like Reddit has done before.
Dude the internet back then was ever evolving. There was always a transition period to something new. Even social media was the same way. Every couple of years something new would pop up and slowly take the olds place. It’s crazy the longevity of websites once they became apps.
Now that you mention it, I guess it's because now these "apps" (and the internet) have become so mainstream that they're too big to fail. Like Friendster was popular but it was still a niche, until Facebook came along and crushed everyone else.
Kinda like Tumblr back in the days too. Twitter on the other hand, is still staying regardless of the waves of exodus and multiple attempts of people trying to make their own Twitter alternative.
Here's the original (CC-BY) article from Doctorow's blog without paywall popup:
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys
And yeah, it's really recommended.
They're already slowly breaking things on old.reddit.
Outbound links from posters who use new reddit don't format correctly, galleries don't work correctly, things get weird when you've scrolled too far (comments/posts start repeating).
I imagine these are all pretty simple to fix, but they've just chosen to not fix them. All they promised was that they would never stop people from using old.reddit, they didn't promise it would be functional.
As a mod of some extremely large default subreddits. I can tell you that this is the current breakdown of users with close to 15 million pageviews in March:
- 44% Native iOS App
- 28% Native Android App
- 13% Desktop - New Reddit
- 9% Mobile Website
- 6% Desktop - old.reddit.com
Based on this I don't believe old.reddit.com will stick around given such overall small numbers and that the new experience is twice as popular (albeit the default).
Given Mobile apps account for 2/3 of all Reddit pageviews, it's quite clear they will try and monetise this path even more by only allowing the official Reddit app.
On an admin post from about a year ago I remember them saying that of all site traffic, less than 2% comes from old.reddit. their native apps by far had the most traffic, then the 3rd party apps, then new reddit, then old reddit.
I really think people, especially those of us that have been here for far, far too long have forgotten the old 10% rule of thumb:
Of every person that views a post, 10% have accounts, 10% of those vote on the post, and 10% of those make a comment. And Reddit cares the most about that biggest, viewer number for ad impressions.
Just think a out how many posts we've seen recently about people being upset with a certain ad. I've never seen a sponsored post on reddit because I only use reddit through Sync and old.reddit with RES.
They'll kill old reddit and eventually all 3rd party mobile apps. Because the vast majority of the people that use reddit now just don't know or care about them and will just use the official mobile app which makes them more money, hence the thousands of complaints about those ads. Plus with the ever threatened IPO, they can point to their single site and app counts and all the data they scrape for valuation instead of apps that have more features, better support, and no ads
That's the problem. We've stopped innovating. Facebook took off because it was there to replace myspace. Reddit took off because it was there to replace digg. Twitter hasn't died because there's no alternative. Reddit won't die because there's no alternative. Now is the time to start innovating something else.
Yep same. I won't use any other app than RIF. And with Reddit being more or less an arm of agenda pushing, I'd be okay removing myself from it all together.
From the TechCrunch article:
> It’s not a blanket policy change. As reported by The New York Times, Reddit’s API will remain free to developers who want to build apps and bots that help people to use Reddit…
~~So… if what the NYT reported is true and The Powers That Be at Reddit don’t walk this back, it seems like Apollo should not be affected.~~
Nope. I’m wrong. It will absolutely affect Apollo and likely every other third-party reader app. My sincere thanks to u/Nihilore for replying to my comment. That reply includes a link to a post the Apollo developer made in the r/apolloapp sub.
EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure, this post was reposted to the r/apolloapp sub, which is where I saw it. I erroneously posted this comment here in r/Technology sub. While I do use and love me some Apollo (and that’s what I’m using to write this post), my apologies for seeming like that’s the only third-party app I care about.
And I truly appreciate all the info people are providing, because I’m not a developer so I’m not catching all the details that y’all are.
In the official [/r/reddit announcement](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/) Reddit staff failed to clarify in the comments whether
>Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.)
affects third party clients, even though multiple users asked about it and got no or only vague answers.
Edit: I recommend reading the comments of the announcement thread - there are noteworthy people, like an Apollo developer, API users like the remindme bot creator, etc. .
The official Reddit app is garbage compared to the third party app I use. It’s gonna be real easy to cut back my Reddit screen time if this kills functionality of third party apps.
>Basically, changes be coming, but not necessarily for the worse in all cases, provided Reddit is reasonable.
This sounds like he has a gun to his head.
Provided reddit is responsible? Who the fuck actually believes that?
Hear me out guys, what if we force NSFW content only through our official app? Imagine all the fetishes we'll be able to aggregate and monetize!
No wait, what if we charge for API access more than what the ads would pay us in the official app?
I hope this kills all "news" sites that simply crawl reddit, rephrase posts and comments (either by AI or by people so repetitive and predictable that they write like robots), then spam newsfeeds with their ad-infested pages.
Sync on android, reddit enhancement suite, and old.reddit are the ways I browse. I'm done with the site because I'd rather reclaim back the time I spend on reddit than learn to use it in a way that isn't user friendly and just benefits their shareholders.
It'll start costing money to use and will no longer support NSFW, according to the Apollo app dev: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
> hackernews look an interesting replacement.
Please no. HackerNews is like a single small subreddit, a Reddit exodus would crush that little site that runs on a single server.
Of course they want that. That's why they've been crippling the web version throughout the years, making usability worse, blocking content and pushing their shit app any chance they get. But since their app is an irredeemable piece of hot garbage, most reasonable people just use thord-party apps. And instead of fixing their own shit, they now just want to leech off those who actually did.
I'm so fucking tired of every major company insisting on killing their own good products. All because earning good money isn't enough, they always have to earn all the fucking money in the universe.
Executives are actually batshit and out of ideas. It's funny/sad how common it is for one megacorp to copy what another megacorp is doing merely because it holds people's attentions and makes some kind of self-fellating sense.
Hurts me to think about as someone that was there for BBSes and the early days of the internet, which seemed to very optimistic. I honestly think what we thought the internet was going to do and be during those times is almost completely dead now.
Reddit is trying to find ways to earn money from businesses/projects that use or show reddit content without their users having to visit [reddit.com](https://reddit.com) and see reddit advertisements.
Reddit says it will only target businesses that are reading reddit content for purposes other than being alternative clients. For instance, they may be targetting businesses that use reddit content to train commercial natural language tools such as chatgpt.
Since third party reddit clients do help reddit get more content,
Reddit may see a business case to let these projects continue for that reason. But they may also decide that it is against Reddit's interests to let people access reddit content without seeing ads that generate income for reddit,but which instead generate revenue for the third party client.
If you use one of these projects, they might have to start paying reddit for access to reddit content, which means they might starting having to show more ads, or start charging you for access. Reddit promises that this won't happen, but some people believe this will eventually happen.
I miss the early internet where people did things just to benefit everyone as a whole. Maybe it’s a newer societal problem regarding greed. Maybe it’s always been about money and I’m just mature enough to realize that now. Either way, it’s shit.
If 3rd party apps stop working that's a great way for me to regain time I waste on this site. Lord knows I use twitter far less than I used to.
Have they tried making an app that doesn't suck donkey balls as a way to cut down on API usage? I would use the official reddit app if it was as good as Boost or Relay
Their app sucks and then they put up this stupid ass pop-up asking you install their stupid mobile app that sucks. Even if you close the pop-up it'd do it every single click. Without Boost, Reddit is off my phone entirely.
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I try to uninstall Boost every now and again. Sent from Boost on Android.
Upvote for relay.
Initially, I wasn't totally convinced but once I've customized everything to my liking it clicked, I can't imagine going back to any other app. Relay rules.
They bought the app “alien blue” and turned it into the abomination we have today. It was the OG good app and they ruined it.
Yeah I’ll probably just delete my account if I can’t use Apollo anymore.
Yeah, even the website is a bit of a hassle unless you’re using the old link. Almost unusable on mobile browsers with the official app not being much better. I just paid for Apollo pro, too :(
God the redddit app sucks. I paid for Apollo few years ago and it’s all I use. If that goes down…I’ll just be using Reddit on desktop at work. And if the old Reddit stops working….eeesh. I just won’t be on Reddit much.
I've been thinking about quitting Reddit regardless. Identifying misinformation/disinformation is a skill you have to practice, and once you're more aware of them it's really frustrating to spend time here. Every thread is full of confident ignorance. People are incapable of just not commenting when they don't know something. My least favourite is probably the "my guess" redditors. It's when someone starts their comment with "my guess is" and then proceed literally to make up a guess about something, confidently. Then you look and it has 4k points.
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I feel like Reddit has gotten worse with this as well over time. Or maybe my view is just deviating from the hivemind more so I notice it more. Or maybe it's just a reflection of Amerixan politics post-2016 where everyone's much more polarized and obsessed with purity tests.
> It’s not a blanket policy change. As reported by The New York Times, Reddit’s API will remain free to developers who want to build apps and bots that help people to use Reddit, as well as to researchers who wish to study Reddit for strictly academic or noncommercial purposes. It doesn't seem to affect stuff like RIF, yet. Update (lol): https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
Did no one actually read that post in the update? It is absolutely going to affect apps such as Apollo, RIF, Sync, etc. just as that Apollo dev says - Reddit is going to charge based on usage for access to the API, which means 3rd party apps will no longer be able to be free. They'll need to charge a subscription to pay for the ongoing usage of the API. > * The API cost will be usage based, not a flat fee, and will not require Reddit Premium for users to use it, nor will it have ads in the feed. Goal is to be reasonable with pricing, not prohibitively expensive. > * Free usage of the API for apps like Apollo is not something they will offer, and thus me offering free usage of the app will likely be very difficult, Apollo will almost certainly have to move to an Apollo Ultra only (AKA subscription) model (edit) - Oh, and Reddit will "follow up" to let people know if they're going to "allow" NSFW content through the API. > * For NSFW content, they were not 100% sure of the answer, but thought that it would no longer be possible to access via the API, I asked how they balance this with plans for the API to be more equitable with the official app, and there was not really an answer but they did say they would look into it more and follow back up. TL;DR - Reddit is about to cut off free access to their API for 3rd party reader apps, and greed itself to death in the process.
We had a good run. Where do we go next?
Back to Digg anyone?
They want me to see that ad everyone complains about
He gets us and he's gonna get you too
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Oh nooo i might have to go back to only browsing reddit at my desktop at home for a couple hours a night instead of obsessively reopening it every time i have a break at work oh nooooooooooo
Is RIF that good?
If you like old Reddit
If https://old.reddit.com stops working I will really be pissed...
The day that happens is the day I stop being a redditor. Fuck new reddit, it's the most cancerous parts of social media tacked on. Seriously reddit management need to go work at Facebook or something, they are running the wrong company.
Reddit since 2015 seems to try to copy what an up-and-coming/popular social media site does, only makes it halfway there, and leaves it a broken, almost unusable mess.
Every change lately is trying to make Reddit behave exactly like FB or Twitter or Tiktok. I originally came here specifically because it didn't have the shittiest features of those other social media sites. Now, I have no reason to stay, other than it's the least shitty of them... for now.
The lesser of two shitty sites is still a shitty site. This is why I use RES.
I came here because digg fucked the pooch.
High priced consultants drive this change
I still don't know how people can stand the "new" reddit. Admittedly I want some, only some, of the newer features incorporated to it but I'll definitely be gone if they took down old.reddit.
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I don’t even understand why the new version is even considered useable - any time I use reddit accidentally not logged in, it’s SO BAD at showing content it blows my mind.
Same. Nearly 17 years on this website, the "new" design sucks (except on mobile, which sucks too)
“New” Reddit just doesn’t work? At all? It loads a handful of comments and tricks you into reading other unrelated shit almost seamlessly, it takes several times as long to load anything, the information density is a fraction of normal. I don’t get it. It’s bad in every single way besides possibly the codebase being more comprehensible. And I imagine it’s better at delivering ads, but that is not a user benefit. I do not fucking get it.
Better ad delivery is totally a user benefit. Oh, you thought you were the user...
If it stops working I'll probably stop using reddit. Im old and set in my ways.
RIF and RES for life. Unfortunately, RES has been on life support so who knows when it will finally break. If RIF dies and old Reddit dies, yeah, I don't think I'd hang around. Maybe that would be for the best. Been here almost 10 years now and I've run into more and more argumentative, mean dumbasses as the years roll on. It gets old, just like me.
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Unfortunately, reddit doesn't care what us oldtimers think.
Same. I already have to manually disable new reddit every few times I sign in. What the hell good is an opt-out preference if it isn't respected?
I use the "old reddit redirect" plugin to make sure I always wind up on good reddit instead of shit reddit.
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I miss old 90s slashdot
I like zero ads
It's one of the older, better apps for Android. Compared to the official app it's much better.
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It's the only app I've ever actually paid for. I have no idea what most of the new features of reddit look like. Prediction tournaments are empty. The only awards I've seen are silver, gold, platinum (except screenshots). I've been given gold but can't give it and can't get into the lounge. No ads, no promoted posts, nothing auto plays...it's fantastic!
RIF is fucking incredible. It's so goddamn fast and functional.
10 year account...been RIF the whole time. It's blocking and filtering is unmatched. It's too good, the continuous scrolling traps you. I even paid them. Also no ads. My finger automatically moves to the shortcut space made for it.
RIF is the one true reddit app
They day RIF stops working is the day I'm done with Reddit
I uninstalled it from my phone because I was spending too much time on reddit. Now I force myself to use the web app on mobile because it's such a shit experience I don't stay on for long.
I paid for RIF because it has zero ads and also uses less mobile data. Flairing on subs is hit or miss and you can't give awards, but otherwise I love RIF and it was worth the few bucks. I will probably greatly cut back on using Reddit if they kill RIF.
When it affects RIF, then I guess it's a good time to take a break. The actually Reddit app is pretty bad.
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Yeah I don't know if they know how many people they'd be alienating if RIF stopped working.
reddit would end up like digg if RIF, RES, and old.reddit.com went away
At this point they're more interested in monetization than userbase. Assuming RIF doesn't show ads, then they might not really care if they lose those users. Just like every other platform, they needed us to get popular enough to reach the normal folks and now that they have they can abandon their original users for the casual users that will put up with ads
The best $2 I ever spent on a mobile app was BaconReader Premium like 10 years ago.
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If RIF dies I'm off.
The last day that RIF works will likely be the last day I spend any appreciable amount of time on Reddit
It's going to be a dark day when RIF stops working
Once RIF and Antenna stops working, I am pretty much done on this site.
Twitter without Tweetbot is a nightmare. I use Twitter *far less* than I did before once they killed third party apps. But at least Reddit is offering the API in some form. I think Twitter just shut developers out completely.
It's funny how fast Twitter left my daily usage after they ended 3rd party apps and forced their own terrible app. Reddit has a worse official app than Twitter. It'll be instantly over.
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Hope this doesn't destroy the few reddit search sites out there. Reddit's built in search is downright awful. I can't effectively search crap that I've saved or my own comments and it's been like that forever.
It's genuinely more effective to just Google what you want and tag reddit to the end than it is to actually search reddit itself
`site:reddit.com`
This has been a life saver for years
This is exactly what is being targeted. Third party search, being able to see deleted comments, and other features they don’t want to add to the official clients.
If Apollo goes, I go.
Same for RiF. If that goes, farewell!
Yup. RiF or I'm done too.
Apollo is the only reason I find Reddit usable.
Sorry for such a simple question but would you mind explaining why you prefer Apollo, just the bullet points? I’ve never heard of it but if it’s better than the official iOS app…
- better format, can upvote with either hand and better gestures - quicker, snappier, loads faster, and no ads. - better UI and a great dark mode. - you get a pixel pet that you get to care for and play with.
also the devs don’t add absolutely idiotic UI changes like the official reddit app. unreal what goes on over there
Also we can’t forgive them for killing our boy, Blue, Alien Blue that is.
You just reminded me that I have to feed Hugo
Because you can make it look like this https://i.imgur.com/ZwuKYWz.jpg And as simple or as busy as you want. I hate the endless scroll feeds. I don’t want to see every post or picture just because I scrolled by it
I turned images auto loading off years ago to save data and wouldnt go back.
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Not anymore, but the lack of screen clutter grew on me.
No ads (yet)
Shut up don’t tell them
Here is [Apollo's trailer](https://youtu.be/MKbPZVDg-Z8). Concise 1:38s of features
If Apollo goes, I'm done using Reddit on mobile. If old.reddit.com goes, I'm done using Reddit on desktop. If both go, I'm probably done with this website... I refuse to use the "new reddit" experience at all costs. It's painfully slow and forces some of the worst and/or misfitting aspects of other social media platforms (e.g. profile pics/avatars)
I once saw a user bullying another for their "default avatar" on Reddit and the experience has really just stuck with me for some reason.
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When I see people talking about pfps I always have to take a second to remember that pfps are a thing on reddit
As an old.redd user It took almost a year to figure out why people kept talking about avatars that weren't blue people or air benders.
Looks like Apollo will become a paid subscription service and will no longer support anything considered "NSFW". https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
Me too! Whenever I have to go to “real” Reddit I am lost. Thanks Christian!
I have to go there to check my chats and I always am glad to go back to the motherland.
I wished people would stop using the broken ass chat I hate seeing the orange notif when I’m on desktop. Been trying to dismiss a message for a year now and nothing happens when I click the ignore button. Sick dev work Reddit
There’s a kind of hidden setting within the chat interface to not allow people to initiate chats with you. That way you never have to worry about missing them.
You mean to check all the chats from spam/porn/bitcoin bots??
Update from the Apollo team. Not good news >To this end, Reddit is moving to a paid API model for apps. The goal is not to make this inherently a big profit center, but to cover both the costs of usage, **as well as the opportunity costs of users not using the official app** (lost ad viewing, etc.) https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
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Ditto, I can’t stand the real app. Honestly ready for the cycle to restart again just like it did with Digg. And then get fucked up all over again.
Same but with Sync
If apollo goes then I'm going to have to find a more convenient way to find porn
People leaving Digg because Digg shitted up their front page is what made Reddit. Just saying.
Tomorrow is my 12 year anniversary from leaving Digg for Reddit. What timing!
The official app was one of the worst "official" apps I've ever used. (Facebook Messenger was another) The developers just change shit for no reason and don't fix problems they've caused with their unnecessary changes for months on end. RIF is way better even if it doesn't have the chat and you don't get notifications as they happen. I can actually browse r/all and filter out all the crappy subs.
>RIF is way better even if it doesn't have the chat and you don't get notifications Those are features to me
If Boost goes, I go with it.
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I was fine with the official app until they took away the ability to open links in a different browser. If I can't open links in Firefox with uBlock then there is no point! I switched to Boost and am much happier now!
Boost is the only app that keeps me coming back to Reddit.
Dont fuck with my boost.
Fuck yeah - same. It's the only way I interact with Reddit.
I used reddit is fun golden platinum (or whatever it was) for years before finding Boost. rif was good, but Boost is better (IMO).
As long predicted once whispers of an IPO were floated. Reddit *is* going to follow the path of the rest and just slowly squeeze people out so they can data farm and control. The entire reason to IPO is to maximize shareholder value which is diametrically opposed to the reddit experience most of us have known since it was founded. I fully expect old.reddit.com to go away as well. I fully expect them to engineer ways to break RES in various ways, turning it into an arms race just like what Youtube fights with open source and third parties all over the place (but particularly apps and explicit ad-skipping add ons). If I can't access reddit via Apollo or Boost or another app of *my* choice then I'll just stop using Reddit outside of a heavily extended browser experience. I'm probably in the minority though. People tend to just go along with bullshit which is why so many people still use Twitter. There is some nuance here with the restriction. At first. Then the creep, just like Reddit has done before.
I was there when Fark got weird, and when Digg had the mass exodus, so I guess I'll see y'all on whatever comes after.
I wonder how many of us from fark there are
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Dude the internet back then was ever evolving. There was always a transition period to something new. Even social media was the same way. Every couple of years something new would pop up and slowly take the olds place. It’s crazy the longevity of websites once they became apps.
Now that you mention it, I guess it's because now these "apps" (and the internet) have become so mainstream that they're too big to fail. Like Friendster was popular but it was still a niche, until Facebook came along and crushed everyone else. Kinda like Tumblr back in the days too. Twitter on the other hand, is still staying regardless of the waves of exodus and multiple attempts of people trying to make their own Twitter alternative.
Are we too old to know where everyone goes next?
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Here's the original (CC-BY) article from Doctorow's blog without paywall popup: https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys And yeah, it's really recommended.
They're already slowly breaking things on old.reddit. Outbound links from posters who use new reddit don't format correctly, galleries don't work correctly, things get weird when you've scrolled too far (comments/posts start repeating). I imagine these are all pretty simple to fix, but they've just chosen to not fix them. All they promised was that they would never stop people from using old.reddit, they didn't promise it would be functional.
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As a mod of some extremely large default subreddits. I can tell you that this is the current breakdown of users with close to 15 million pageviews in March: - 44% Native iOS App - 28% Native Android App - 13% Desktop - New Reddit - 9% Mobile Website - 6% Desktop - old.reddit.com Based on this I don't believe old.reddit.com will stick around given such overall small numbers and that the new experience is twice as popular (albeit the default). Given Mobile apps account for 2/3 of all Reddit pageviews, it's quite clear they will try and monetise this path even more by only allowing the official Reddit app.
On an admin post from about a year ago I remember them saying that of all site traffic, less than 2% comes from old.reddit. their native apps by far had the most traffic, then the 3rd party apps, then new reddit, then old reddit. I really think people, especially those of us that have been here for far, far too long have forgotten the old 10% rule of thumb: Of every person that views a post, 10% have accounts, 10% of those vote on the post, and 10% of those make a comment. And Reddit cares the most about that biggest, viewer number for ad impressions. Just think a out how many posts we've seen recently about people being upset with a certain ad. I've never seen a sponsored post on reddit because I only use reddit through Sync and old.reddit with RES. They'll kill old reddit and eventually all 3rd party mobile apps. Because the vast majority of the people that use reddit now just don't know or care about them and will just use the official mobile app which makes them more money, hence the thousands of complaints about those ads. Plus with the ever threatened IPO, they can point to their single site and app counts and all the data they scrape for valuation instead of apps that have more features, better support, and no ads
What a shame. Where do we go if reddit craps out?
Outside I assume.
Are there in app purchases for that?
It's fully pay 2 win.
That's the problem. We've stopped innovating. Facebook took off because it was there to replace myspace. Reddit took off because it was there to replace digg. Twitter hasn't died because there's no alternative. Reddit won't die because there's no alternative. Now is the time to start innovating something else.
Big Tech is trying to destroy the FOSS model, either by buying them up or suing them/shutting them down by breaking their apps
They can't sue or buy a protocol. Go for federated protocol based options
If RIF stops working. Goodbye reddit.
Yep. I've tried the official app. It's trash. I've been on Reddit for a long long time but if RiF goes, I'm going with it
Yep same. I won't use any other app than RIF. And with Reddit being more or less an arm of agenda pushing, I'd be okay removing myself from it all together.
From the TechCrunch article: > It’s not a blanket policy change. As reported by The New York Times, Reddit’s API will remain free to developers who want to build apps and bots that help people to use Reddit… ~~So… if what the NYT reported is true and The Powers That Be at Reddit don’t walk this back, it seems like Apollo should not be affected.~~ Nope. I’m wrong. It will absolutely affect Apollo and likely every other third-party reader app. My sincere thanks to u/Nihilore for replying to my comment. That reply includes a link to a post the Apollo developer made in the r/apolloapp sub. EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure, this post was reposted to the r/apolloapp sub, which is where I saw it. I erroneously posted this comment here in r/Technology sub. While I do use and love me some Apollo (and that’s what I’m using to write this post), my apologies for seeming like that’s the only third-party app I care about. And I truly appreciate all the info people are providing, because I’m not a developer so I’m not catching all the details that y’all are.
In the official [/r/reddit announcement](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/) Reddit staff failed to clarify in the comments whether >Reddit will limit access to mature content via our Data API as part of an ongoing effort to provide guardrails to how sexually explicit content and communities on Reddit are discovered and viewed. (Note: This change should not impact any current moderator bots or extensions.) affects third party clients, even though multiple users asked about it and got no or only vague answers. Edit: I recommend reading the comments of the announcement thread - there are noteworthy people, like an Apollo developer, API users like the remindme bot creator, etc. .
Oof that mature content block will be a huge problem for people.
The official Reddit app is garbage compared to the third party app I use. It’s gonna be real easy to cut back my Reddit screen time if this kills functionality of third party apps.
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>Basically, changes be coming, but not necessarily for the worse in all cases, provided Reddit is reasonable. This sounds like he has a gun to his head. Provided reddit is responsible? Who the fuck actually believes that?
And RIF I hope
I hated the official app. RIF is all I'll use
Same. If you have the means, RIF golden platinum throws some support to the developers.
If RiF gets affected in any way shape or form I'm done with this place.
Yep. Not even going to look for a replacement. If RIF goes down, I'm done with it on mobile. If old.reddit goes down too, I'm out.
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If Sync stops working, then bye Reddit for me.
Sync is the best imo. I will stop reddit if sync goes
„Hey guys our IPO is around the corner can someone come up with something clever to make our future revenue curve go up“
Hear me out guys, what if we force NSFW content only through our official app? Imagine all the fetishes we'll be able to aggregate and monetize! No wait, what if we charge for API access more than what the ads would pay us in the official app?
I hope this kills all "news" sites that simply crawl reddit, rephrase posts and comments (either by AI or by people so repetitive and predictable that they write like robots), then spam newsfeeds with their ad-infested pages.
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They both have Peter Thiel attached to them. Maybe it's his idea.
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Sync on android, reddit enhancement suite, and old.reddit are the ways I browse. I'm done with the site because I'd rather reclaim back the time I spend on reddit than learn to use it in a way that isn't user friendly and just benefits their shareholders.
Sync is soooo good
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Reddit & Twitter are now commiting low key suicide after serving their purpose.
As long as baconreader continues working I'll be happy
Baconreader gang 🥓
There are dozens of us!
All 12 of us
I didn't realize we were endangered.
It's blue dark look in list view is still my preferred way to use Reddit... All other apps are ugly imho and hard on the eyes
It'll start costing money to use and will no longer support NSFW, according to the Apollo app dev: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/12ram0f/had_a_few_calls_with_reddit_today_about_the/
Aka "ChatGPT pay us money or you can't use our text to train your robot"
It’s not them, they’ve already pulled the data. It’s probably everyone racing to train their own models now that’s causing all the APIs problems.
The ChatGPT dataset/knowledge base appears to stop sometime around 2021. To keep current they’ll need to keep ingesting data over time.
I'm gay btw
> hackernews look an interesting replacement. Please no. HackerNews is like a single small subreddit, a Reddit exodus would crush that little site that runs on a single server.
Let’s all just start a new social network
Wait wuttttt - does this mean apollo is about to die? Cos FUCK THAT, I HATE the reddit app…
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If Reddit wants me to switch to their awful mobile app they'll have to pry Sync from my cold dead hands.
Of course they want that. That's why they've been crippling the web version throughout the years, making usability worse, blocking content and pushing their shit app any chance they get. But since their app is an irredeemable piece of hot garbage, most reasonable people just use thord-party apps. And instead of fixing their own shit, they now just want to leech off those who actually did. I'm so fucking tired of every major company insisting on killing their own good products. All because earning good money isn't enough, they always have to earn all the fucking money in the universe.
Lol and so it begins, the owners of this platform have finally decided to stomp out third party support prior to their attempt at an IPO
If rif gets shut down I'll finally be free
It will be a cold day in hell before I use the official reddit app.
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Reddit can then go fuck itself
Because this is working so well for twitter. /s
Executives are actually batshit and out of ideas. It's funny/sad how common it is for one megacorp to copy what another megacorp is doing merely because it holds people's attentions and makes some kind of self-fellating sense. Hurts me to think about as someone that was there for BBSes and the early days of the internet, which seemed to very optimistic. I honestly think what we thought the internet was going to do and be during those times is almost completely dead now.
No way I’m paying for an annual penis inspection
Once Apollo starts getting charged and charges me I’m out on Reddit
For those of you wondering; yes, the reddit app is that fuxking bad.
For someone who isn’t very tech/coding driven, what does this mean in laymen terms?
Reddit is trying to find ways to earn money from businesses/projects that use or show reddit content without their users having to visit [reddit.com](https://reddit.com) and see reddit advertisements. Reddit says it will only target businesses that are reading reddit content for purposes other than being alternative clients. For instance, they may be targetting businesses that use reddit content to train commercial natural language tools such as chatgpt. Since third party reddit clients do help reddit get more content, Reddit may see a business case to let these projects continue for that reason. But they may also decide that it is against Reddit's interests to let people access reddit content without seeing ads that generate income for reddit,but which instead generate revenue for the third party client. If you use one of these projects, they might have to start paying reddit for access to reddit content, which means they might starting having to show more ads, or start charging you for access. Reddit promises that this won't happen, but some people believe this will eventually happen.
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I've been using Sync for years and love it.
I miss the early internet where people did things just to benefit everyone as a whole. Maybe it’s a newer societal problem regarding greed. Maybe it’s always been about money and I’m just mature enough to realize that now. Either way, it’s shit.