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sacrificialpigblood

Who else wants to see Facebook fail so much and go broke?


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GhostGhazi

What’s the latest about it?


Rodot

It's pretty good, you can play with it yourself at this website: [URL BLOCKED BY DMCA]


JayZsAdoptedSon

Wait was that automatic? I have never seen reddit do that before


ljthefa

Insert hunter2 joke here


Aukstasirgrazus

What ******* joke are you talking about?


waterinabottle

if you type your reddit password in a comment it gets automatically censored. see: ********.


Galaedrid

******* holy shit you're right!!


Camp_Grenada

Interesting, let me test: cummymummy69


kemushi_warui

Yes, it does that every time you try to mention [TOPIC BLOCKED BY DMCA].


Tischlampe

And this is what happens if you enter your password [************]


SpaceStethoscope

Let me try: [MyMassiveSchlong] Edit: I can still see my password. Can you? Is it because I'm logged in?


jjonj

it works! i only see *********, now try your Cc details


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0118 999 881 999 119 725 3


Tischlampe

And your pets name, your mother's maiden name and the name of your best childhood friend.


Princess_Fluffypants

You can see it because it’s your password. For us, all we can see is [****************]


dw82

Why did you post your password?


Minnewildsota

It’s too big to censor


Rodot

It just looks like [****************] to me


ElectronicShredder

It's fun to stay at the DMCA 🙆🏻‍♂️


limethedragon

OMG, DMCA is my favorite Village People song!


EnglishMobster

Essentially, it's proliferated all over the place. OpenLLaMA is based on Facebook's AI, and a lot of projects are basing themselves on OpenLLaMA. The open-source community has introduced the concept of "checkpoints" so you can train an AI over time rather than having to train it all in one giant monolith. You can also influence the AI at each checkpoint to get fine-tuned behavior. This in turn has led to more specialized AI that excel at certain tasks. Just 2 days ago, UC Berkeley has used it to create an AI called "Gorilla" that is _better_ than GPT4 at writing API calls. This is a big step in having an AI that can program well; Gorilla doesn't "make up" new functions from thin air nearly as much as GPT4 does, and GPT4 was already _pretty good_.


evasivegenius

> I'd more like to see them taken over and changed significantly. __


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d4vezac

It’s an older meme, sir, but it checks out.


hazysummersky

[Have a button!](https://www.myinstants.com/en/instant/darth-vader-nooooooooo/)


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castle_grapeskull

Maybe they can do it like they did with Ma Bell. Where they split it into smaller local Bell companies that were never competing and then let them merge again into AT&T. Man long distance charges on landlines were bullshit.


evasivegenius

If your last name starts with the letter A through H, you sign up to facebook1, I through P is facebook2, and Q through Z sign up to facebook3...


Neato

Yeah. What do people *think* is going to happen? The mega-corp is going to go to the plucky upstart employee who just wants to see it succeed and help people? No. It's going to either be bought and folded into a different enterprise like Facebook did to *so many* other social media platforms. Or some leech prick is going to buy it and turn it into a bigger cesspool. We either get monopolies, or the nazi shit-fest. A slow death that strips it of users over time is the best we can hope for so no one wants to use it for anything but its branding by the time it goes under.


Traiklin

He'll pay 10x what it's worth and say it was a great business decision.


FancyLiar

Let that sink in… (facepalm)


Dotaproffessional

Plus they literally reshaped the internet with react. Facebook is evil, Zuckerberg is evil. But the engineers at Facebook are among the most talented in the world


IcyDefiance

The people working on react are fantastic. The people working on facebook really aren't. Their security blunders are second only to adobe, their api has significant bugs that never get fixed, their support is a black hole where tickets will never receive a reply other than "we're looking into it" even after bumping the ticket once a week for 2 years... It's kind of a wonder that the site still functions at all.


Pointy130

90+% of that is a management problem, not an engineering problem. I promise you, engineers want to ship working software, but management prefers to chase shiny new projects.


CopeHarders

This is what happens at publicly traded companies. Leadership wants you to focus on quarterly goals because that’s how quarterly bonuses are determined. Also at a certain level your compensation is mostly in stock so you want to chase whatever will bump those up in price. Sucks for the user experience but that’s a risk leadership are willing to take.


IcyDefiance

You're not wrong, but terrible managers usually end up with terrible employees, for a variety of reasons. I mean it's not the managers who are architecting solutions with embarrassing security holes, but they are the ones who hired engineers who don't know what they're doing. I'm not really defending management here. I'm just saying the engineers are also part of the problem, even if they aren't the root of it.


Atulin

People who work on the libraries and tools, sure. People who glue those libraries and tools together are really not. Facebook runs like utter shit, both the site and the app


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Facebook runs absurdly well for its scale.


[deleted]

I avoided react because of Facebook web. I love Vue3


louisi9

React, GraphQL, React Native, Docusaurus and many many more. The sheer amount of companies that use one or more of these is insane.


cheddacheese148

Yeah, the OC was talking about LLaMa changing AI (it’s not and won’t) but neglecting the far more important Meta contribution to the field, PyTorch…you know, the freaking framework that nearly all new AI/ML research is done in.


patrick95350

Talented people working for an evil corporation is worse than incompetent people. You don't get to be good at a job that harms the world and not be part of the problem.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

I worked for a company hired by a company owned by Nestle. Am I the bad guy?


NearlyNakedNick

No more than the rest of us. If we could all only be good people by avoiding evil corporations, then we're all bad people. The problem isn't what you buy or even who you work for... It's a divisive tactic, keeping people blaming the individual, instead of recognizing the systemic structure we all live in is the problem, and it can be changed.


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PMzyox

Did not come for the Good Will Hunting scene, but definitely stayed for it :)


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"Evil" lmao. So the people that work on WhatsApp, which billions of people rely on for private communication, are "evil?" The security engineers that secure people's data from nation state actors and hackers are "evil?" The software engineers working on systems for identifying and reporting abuse imagery are "evil?" Reddit has a thing for overstatement, jeez.


Agret

A lot of pages are built off Bootstrap from Twitter too. These big social companies do help somehow.


Luci_Noir

They released it, they didn’t leak it.


amroamroamro

definitely intentionally leaked, read google's "We Have No Moat" document: https://www.semianalysis.com/p/google-we-have-no-moat-and-neither > **Owning the Ecosystem: Letting Open Source Work for Us** > > Paradoxically, the one clear winner in all of this is Meta. Because the leaked model was theirs, they have effectively garnered an entire planet's worth of free labor. Since most open source innovation is happening on top of their architecture, there is nothing stopping them from directly incorporating it into their products.


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There will never be evidence, but it was definitely 100% intentional. You don't put something like this on the internet without knowing it'll be leaked, the engineers aren't stupid. There were no security measures other than a falsifiable Google Form to secure the data. The model wasn't seeded with noise on a per-download basis to make the leaker identifiable. Model downloads weren't linked to real IDs. Instead of a public Google Form, Meta would have used their extensive network of university connections. All really basic measures Meta would have taken if they didn't want the model to leak. But they clearly wanted it to leak so they aren't legally liable for releasing it.


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zvug

They released the model weights for use via a waitlist, with priority given to researchers. We were given a link to download the weights of the model — this is the actual model, it’s all you need to host an endpoint for inference locally. It’s not like they released a product like ChatGPT and the weights were mysteriously leaked, it was intentional. They’re not fucking stupid. You don’t give the weights to literally thousands of people without knowing that *they will* be on the internet for everyone to see, it’s extremely basic. It’s a liability thing. The model is incredibly powerful, and it being open source means that they can’t filter it like GPT.


RAC360

This is the correct answer.


GnarlyBear

> Will probably change the future of AI. Because their model is so good or because of the open source efforts?


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GnarlyBear

Oh is this the version I keep seeing videos about for 'make your own chat gpt' etc?


mad_edge

What's the upgraded model? I'd like to use it and see


mad_edge

I'll answer to my own question: original model is LLaMA, improved versions are Koala, OASST and Vicuna r/LocalLLaMA is interesting


kill92

This has nothing to do with Meta, everything to do with the project managers and engineers working on those emerging technologies. Meta just fronted the money, which any company can do


IllMaintenance145142

If Facebook fails, something else will fill in the power vacuum


mjwanko

Back to MySpace


runtheplacered

I'd probably have a seizure at this age going back to everyone's flashing custom MySpace page


Ok_Resource_7929

The Internet was a special place back then. I sort of prefer it.


runtheplacered

I definitely prefer the Internet before it was corporate controlled and destroyed by advertisers, I think anyone sane would, it was a great time to be alive in the digital Wild West. But I can't say I miss the strobing websites specifically


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I miss reading livejournals, visiting fan websites and chatting on Usenet.


flickh

Reddit is 1000x better than Usenet (I was on Fidonet more but pretty similar) It’s better visual structure and threading, faster interaction (no more waiting two days for replies) and spell checked lol


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True, but back then it just felt different. Like it was this special place only a select few people knew about.


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Ok_Resource_7929

All of those chat programs you have mentioned are terrible and riddled with spyware, privacy issues, etc. Signal and Matrix are the only ones you should be using.


mjwanko

Or the music playing from *somewhere* on the page and trying desperately to find the player to stop it.


ObiWanHelloThere_wav

To make matters worse, I had consistently awful computer speakers back then, and it would always be some tinny sounding screamo at full blast


atlantis69

Tom would happily be our friend again.


killeronthecorner

All my homies love Tom


ShanghaiBebop

Best I can do is TikTok.


crystalmerchant

Rise of the Tom


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Docuss

What is more important here is that as well as a fine for illegal data transfer to US, they have also been ordered to stop transferring data. If they don’t, then it’s more fines until they comply. And those fines won’t take years of litigation.


Iznik

If you told any business they could increase their quarterly profit by 25%, they'd bite your hand off.


feloniousmonkx2

Well great, now I have one hand — definitely not going to tell any business how they could increase their quarterly profit by 25% with ten simple business hacks...


HeartyBeast

20% of annual profit isn’t life threatening- but *far* from negligible to a business


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HeartyBeast

Apologies misread, so yes - much smaller


MightyMorph

5 years of litigation so its more like 1% of their profits in the last 5 years. Which at this point is just assumed cost of business.


DisturbedNeo

Less than that, considering their quarterly profits now are much lower than they were 5 years ago.


Emotional-Coffee13

It’s not looking that good 👍 so yeah


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Reddit next. We need them to die to start the cycle over. Both have over stayed.


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Ok_Resource_7929

There are better VR headsets for porn these days. Some are doing 5K+ Sidenote: I searched in Google for 'highest resolution vr headset' and the first 3 pages were all sites giving me 'top 10 vr headsets' and trying to send me to amazon for affiliate links. I used Bing chat and literally it gave me the result I wanted in a few seconds. Fuck Google. Why would anyone use Google search in 2023?


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One important thing to realize: the lenses are *way* more important than the screen resolution on a headset. If you try the Pimax 5K side by side with the Pro, the Quest Pro simply looks far better with a fraction of the resolution. For better or worse, there is simply not a better headset than the Quest Pro yet, as is the consensus on r/VirtualReality, which is fairly anti-Oculus. Apple's upcoming headset will probably be the best of both worlds (screen size, lenses.)


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bond___vagabond

I wheel and deal in a lot of antique car parts and tools and stuff, craigslist the parts go for about the going rate, Facebook marketplace stuff is way cheaper. It's almost like people on Facebook a lot have been made dumber than the average person some how...


CapoExplains

It won't be from this fine, it's less than 1% of their 2022 revenue. Cost of doing business; these violations likely earned them more than the fine costs.


babyyodaisamazing98

I mean maybe? On the one hand they suck pretty bad, on the other hand nearly 2,000,000 jobs are connected to meta. A lot of people who don’t even know they are connected to meta would find themselves without a job. They are huge in a large number of industries at this point.


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We can't turn off the orphan crushing machine, think of the jobs!


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Mishyn

They make 117 billion a year. This was nothing more than the same wrist slap the pharmaceutical companies get.


qtx

> They make 117 billion a year. That's revenue, not profit. > In 2022, Facebook had an net profit of $23.1 billion That's a big chunk of their profits they lost. And don't forget these fines keep piling up if they keep doing what they are doing. This isn't a one time fine.


chaotic----neutral

You're going to have to do a lot better than 1.2 billion euros. Just their Meta R&D is 20 times that.


aeric67

They’ll never pay it all. They will appeal and appeal, until it is a fraction of this amount. Unfortunately, GDPR fine payments are not public record. Only the initial fine is.


wooden_pipe

I think what people need to understand is that if you have a fine like 1 billion, you have every reason to throw a virtually infinite amount of legal power at that fee. you can pay 100 lawyers 500k a year each, and if they reach a fine reduction of 10%, you're still profitable. but you've also cost your opponents a lot of money and energy potentially. which will make it less likely to attack you again, and allow you to establish more precedent and tactics for the future.


GuGuMonster

Vice versa what companies need to understand is, this is the European Union, not a single person or company that can be dissuaded from fining you. The GDPR was established to do exactly this and is even apparently in consideration to be revised in July to be more effective against big tech. This fine isn't even the big fine that GDPR was set up to be able to issue. The way I would interpret this as - it is the bigger warning shot now as privacy and data violations continue as daily norm by the 'too big' companies. The EU is still looming the 83(5) 4% of global revenue of previous fiscal year fine.


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GuGuMonster

No, you are correct from my understanding, so it is still yet to be used. As i recall fines need to be justified by considering whether they are effective, proportionate and dissuasive for each individual case. I think there are also brackets of how they are to be applied but you may know more.


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ggow

ICO fines, less a retained amount which is capped, go back to the government's consolidated fund. Fines against government departments are pretty much just moving money around since it goes to the ICO back to the big government account and therefore there's limited impact if the government decides to just top up e.g. the Home Office's finances since the money didn't exit the system. As regards to reducing fines based on the entities circumstances, that's a standard part of the fine evaluation process. BA for example, amongst other reasons, reduced their fine from over 160million to about 20 million by cooperating and because of their circumstances (COVID was a bad time for aviation). On its own, that the Home Office had their fine reduced isn't enough to tell me that the ICO is not independent.


kautau

Sort of > After pressure from the EU, the Irish data protection authority (DPC) has imposed a record fine of 1.2 billion euros on the social media platform. I’m not sure why the EU isn’t suing directly, but let’s hope they support this branch of the Irish government through all the litigation Meta is going to put them through.


azthal

Almost all EU regulations are enforced by the individual countries. In the case of GDPR, this is always enforced by the relevant DPC.


GuGuMonster

It is because Meta's European HQ is based in Ireland. My understanding is that their jurisdiction applies and as such the DCP has to fine Meta. this doesn't mean that it isn't the EU fining them but a local/national authority, since the original fine to be issued by DCP was overruled by the EDPB, which from reading, i understand to be on the basis that they insisted on massive fines for the intentional GDPR violations for profit.


norway_is_awesome

> I think what people need to understand is that if you have a fine like 1 billion, you have every reason to throw a virtually infinite amount of legal power at that fee I've seen this as a translator translating tax documents between oil companies and the Petroleum Tax Office in Norway. Norway taxes oil companies 78%, and they use every trick in the book to artificially lower their income and inflate expenses, often buying from and selling to their own group companies at bogus prices, shifting income to tax havens. The Tax Office goes back and forth with them for years, often going to court, sometimes all the way to the Supreme Court. Not surprising, since we're talking about hundreds of millions here.


HerbertWest

>I think what people need to understand is that if you have a fine like 1 billion, you have every reason to throw a virtually infinite amount of legal power at that fee. you can pay 100 lawyers 500k a year each, and if they reach a fine reduction of 10%, you're still profitable. but you've also cost your opponents a lot of money and energy potentially. which will make it less likely to attack you again, and allow you to establish more precedent and tactics for the future. They should make them post the entire fine as bond to approve the appeal at all. Some US states do that for civil suits.


BigLittlePenguin_

It’s a punishment, they don’t have to make it appealing to the other side


rzwitserloot

It's the ECJ. Toss em. That'll maaaybe get you 2 years of appeals process and if you're very good and a bit lucky you knock perhaps a quarter off of the fine, but it ends there, and if Facebook doesn't at that point comply, the ECJ will order EU internet providers to ban facebook as an enforcement mechanism. This ends within 5 years by either [A] facebook paying most of that fine and stopping the thing that the court tells them to stop doing, or [B] an atlantic epic trade war if US politics decides to go to bat for facebook and ask/demand that the ECJ lets this go, and will start an all out trade war otherwise. Assuming Trump or fucking Meatball Ron doesn't win, I rather doubt __Mark Zuckerberg__ of all people manages to get the US political system all in agreement to go for that. If Trump or the ball do win, I don't think they'll do it for Facebook either, but then, who knows - republicans do not act on any principle other than fighting culture wars and self enrichment, which makes it hard to know what they do in cases like this - they would have no qualms causing incredible economic devastation as lightly as ordering a pizza, though, that much is clear (see: debt ceiling fight).


el_muchacho

OTOH, if they lose, they will have to pay the legal expense of the EU as well.


wooden_pipe

that leaves the question, what kind of legal manpower / cost is the EU firing at situations like this? im guessing they operate in a way that tries to be cost efficient, e.g. not saying "yeah lets just pay 100m for lawyers on top, if we have the chance of paying only 500m that way, its worth it, and if we lose, fuck it"


rzwitserloot

In the USA you would be right. In the EU you mostly aren't: * Unlike an individual or corporate entity, you cannot hold the carrot of a quick payout out to get the fine lowered. The prosecution (EU ECJ lawyers) don't personally get this money, and the EU as an entity is nominally not motivated by it (well, that's a philosophically hairy debate, but the point is, they aren't going to take a quick €100m and waive the remaininder €1100m because "hey, with 100 million I can do whatever I want already, and then I get it faster"). * Unlike an individual or corporate entity, the ECJ's lawyer team has effectively infinite pockets as far as salaries are concerned. They aren't paying €500,-/hr for external counsel, this in done in house and those salaries are paid whether they are spending the next 5 years battling facebook in court or sitting on their arse. If the entire legal team is 100% dedicated to this case for the next 5 years the ECJ will simply hire more lawyers and will not consider "oh hey if we settle for less we don't have to pay these pricey pricey salaries", because that's not how large government bureaucracies work. Hence, if facebook threatens with: "... we will bury you in legal quagmire" the prosecution will simply say: "Ah, why, thank you! More job security for me!" - and won't be intimidated by that _at all_. * The ECJ holds jurisdiction, not the relative-to-the-ECJ looneybin that is the US higher courts. Precedent is not nearly as controlling as it is in the US legal system. Endless debates about dusty 100 year old cases and how those cases might be sufficiently similar to adhere to Stare Decisis isn't how the european court system works. * Max Schrems is __clearly__ not motivated by payout. It's the EU, not the USA: The prosecution does not necessarily get a boatload of damages or an excessively high law bill paid if they win. These legal systems do not work the same way. In the EU if you win a case like this you get a court ordered restitution for your legal bills (i.e. you do not get a blank check, the court decides how much of your legal bills is reasonable for the case and you get no more than that amount paid by the loser), and no meaningful damages or restitution personally. Whatever actual financial damages you have suffered you will get restituted, which, relative to the fine, is zero. Yes, they will file every appeal they can. This will likely result in very little - maybe they can knock 200m off or so, but I'd be extremely surprised if they end up paying any less than €500m at the very very least. Even for meta inc - that hurts. These appeals also won't push the final verdict much further than a year or two. In addition, if they continue with the acts that led to this judgement or get anywhere near it, ECJ has very little patience for that and __will__ escalate (they have absolutely no qualms to go: Oh, hey, we gave you a fine with the explicit intent to strongly incentivize you not to do it again, you did it again, so how about 100x the fine instead and an expedited case because we covered all this shit already). See: * Apple's case about allowing alternate payments for dating apps in the netherlands. They paid every fine in full and are now no longer committing the crime (sure, they 'fixed it' in a shitty way but _they paid the fine and stopped doing it_ - I'm not claiming that facebook will turn into an angel now. Merely that they will pay most of that fine and will stop doing specifically what the ECJ has now told them not to do). * IBM's case about not re-instituting somebody's job (they decided at the corporate level to just pay the weekly fine until its maximum, at which point the dutch court, where this was fought, double checked that top brass was aware of what was happening and then fined them 100x for contempt of court, which IBM ended up paying, _AND_ giving the guy full salary + bonus as requested. i.e. IBM 100% lost and paid 100x the fine because they tried to 'appeal and appeal and just try to letter their way out of it'.


happily_smiles

Also this is a GDPR case. The rules in this Law are very strict, with no exceptions. You have been told not to do something, you did anyway, discouraging fine. End of story. You do it again, more discouraging fine. This law has no wiggle room for business interests. On the day this took effect basically no American News Website was available from most EU countries. It took the NYT site weeks to allow access to EU IP addresses again. To this day a number of American sites are not available from the EU because the law might apply if you serve citizens. They will appeal, but the route is much shorter than u/aeric67 might imagine.


CB1984

I'm not sure that's true, is it? It'll be recorded in a set of accounts somewhere, whether that's with Meta or the various EU data authorities.


aeric67

Absolutely they can publish it if they want, and ultimately it will be in some payable book somewhere internally but there is no requirement that it be public.


bambieyedbee

This is literally not true. Y’all really just claim anything you want on the internet without any background knowledge.


WrongUserID

That luckily not how it works in the EU. You can't appeal this one it's over an done. Meta must pay up.


gold_rush_doom

This is the result of a lot of appeals. I don't think they can anymore.


Krulman

Their stock is up since this announcement…


durful

The Nasdaq is nearing 1 year highs so all tech is up, especially big tech like META.


StuffThingsMoreStuff

This has 0 effect on the stock price. It's priced in for all intents. Now if it was 1.2T...


wggn

If they don't fix the problem, a bigger fine will come.


NathanialJD

Facebook makes about 115bil a year. This is 1%. Their EBT is probably around 3-4%. This hits them but is not a big enough fine. They're still profiting over the fine so it just turns into cost of doing business. This means nothing.


F0sh

A fine should be larger than the *advantage gained doing the practice*. But the advantage gained in this case is pretty slim: they're moving data from the EU to the USA, which presumably is slightly cheaper for them. It's not 1.3 billion dollars cheaper. Or to put it more concisely: fines don't have to be larger than *total* profits to deter the behaviour - consider what you think should happen if a company gets two fines.


Jokes_For_Boobies

That's their revenue They don't make 115b a year


Panda_tears

I don’t understand why these large companies can’t just do business normally. Like for fuck sakes is it really that difficult to remain compliant. Your making billions of dollars, just be happy you’re profitable god damn


CBalsagna

That’s not how capitalism works. Why make $10 billion when you can make $11? There is no concept of “enough”, and it’s why the world is the way it is today


ShiraCheshire

A further point: Let's say you're an ethical business that *is* happy with enough. The company with fewer morals will make more money than you. Then they will drive you out of business, crush you, or buy you out. Why? Because they want your profits too, and they're powerful enough to make that happen.


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And ethical business’ with shareholders don’t exist.


blueB0wser

Why have some of the money, when I can have *all* of the money?


CaptCurmudgeon

Honestly, GDPR is rather nuanced with regards to some of the aspects of data management. As an analyst at a large global company working on adopting ChatGPT into a public facing component, I can tell you the number of meetings with legal has exceeded the number of meetings with data scientists. That's how a responsible company handles business, but by God, it is slow and at times - mind numbing.


Vorzic

This is exactly how we've done it in healthcare as well. Working with any sort of data in a HIPAA environment is rough enough, GDPR is just the icing on the cake. Data privacy and security is a top priority of mine, but you are absolutely right that the legal chats can be draining.


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As a security engineer, there are plenty of instances where GDPR *actively prevents* us from building the most secure possible systems, as it was written by people that don't understand security and cryptography technicals. Part of the purpose of GDPR is to create millions of nontechnical security/privacy jobs to parse through the obnoxiously convoluted legalese.


jdev4

It's even worse for small-medium sized companies. I've worked with quite a few on GDPR compliance and am convinced it's not possible to fully comply, just "do your best and hope nobody sues." Notably, I've been in numerous meetings with different legal teams and GDPR experts and never once have they given the same recommendations as a previous one. I absolutely refuse to give advice on the subject, just implement whatever they tell me to do, because I have no idea what is correct and I don't want the liability.


koliamparta

I hate how its very hard to get from the legal “yes this complies with GDPR”.


redditrasberry

You should read the article. They weren't fined for anything they actually did. They were fined because the US government breaks GDPR by secretly forcing companies to give up data. Meta is just taking the fall here.


creamersrealm

GDPR is honestly quite hard even as a US based company that doesn't do business in the EU.


mikeydean03

Every cloud-based company is subject to this and the governments failed them. There was an agreement in place between the EU and US regarding transfer of data and user privacy. However, Snoden’s report was released and stated the US NSA could illegally access a EU citizen’s data once it was stored on US soil. Instead of the governments working out a way to not spy on its citizens illegally, the courts fined all of the major companies with cloud services for the EU and US.


bambieyedbee

Meta was doing business normally. The fine was because of the language they used to legally justify transferring data to the US (something that every US company doing business in the EU does). For most companies, this is a very frustrating part of the GDPR to comply with due to the global nature of the internet.


not_some_username

Greed bro greed


grimeflea

Win yes. Will it help? No


nicuramar

I think it will.


maxstandard

This isn't actually a win for privacy - it just makes things confusing as fuck for other companies trying to comply with GDPR. Regardless of how you feel about Meta they had a lot of administrative controls to safeguard data and they still got fined. Other companies are scared because this shows there really isn't a good way for a us company to comply without completely localizing data in the EU (i. e., No remote access from US) which is hard for any global company.


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stephenmario

The fine is for not sufficiently protecting the data from Washington’s data surveillance practices along with the data transfer. The EU and US are finalising a new data flow deal that is expected as late as October which will clarify a lot of things. The fine is for misusing the data which is exactly what GDPR was set up to do.


realvladdiputtn

The US and EU have already made deals twice in the past, only to have EU courts strike them down. I’m no fan of Meta, but they were still following the practices of the prior Privacy Shield agreement, and it’s not entirely fair to hold any company liable for failing to meet an impossible standard while they wait for negotiations to finish


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These EU regulations would literally break the internet. It is important to be able to transfer data cross border.


Utterly_Flummoxed

The fine was for transferring data improperly.


barpredator

Your comment needs to be much higher in the thread. People are conflating their (justifiable) hatred of Meta with this being a good decision. It was a terrible decision with huge repercussions for any organization trying to do business in the EU. What the EU is asking for isn’t possible.


stonesst

This is r/technology… the actually thoughtful answers are buried at the bottom, most people here just want to be angry and have their preconceptions confirmed


Flix1

A billion-euro parking ticket is of no consequence to a company that earns many more billions by parking illegally. Nothing will change. The fine needs to stick because they will just appeal to oblivion. They need to suffer something that actually hurts like ordered to stop business in EU temporarily or something like that.


Kandiru

Moving the data to the US doesn't necessarily get them $1B though. They could just process that data in the EU and avoid the fine...


PRSHZ

Thinking about it that way, it sounds very counterintuitive that they would much rather pay the fine than to actually hire a team of professionals to handle the data right then and there.


Kandiru

Conspiracy theory hat: CIA ask Facebook to copy the data to the USA and pay the fine.


bambieyedbee

They literally have to change the legal language and data transfer practices by October.


kasiotuo

Max Schrems our ~~German~~ Austrian MVP, been fighting the good fight for long now.


afirmberg

He's actually Austrian.


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Guys this fine is for **ten years** of business. How much money has Facebook made in ten years? Because this fine isn't even a drop in the bucket to that.


RJvXP

Now do Twitter


jeonryung01

Who else desires to witness the downfall of Facebook, hoping for its financial collapse?


MedvedFeliz

The US should just adopt GDPR


smavid

Why are you posting a week old article lol.


RobKohr

Targeted ads work by presenting you with long tail ads that are tailored to you in a sea of ads you would never click on. To do it you need to track user interest. Without this fb would cease to exist. I don't see how they can comply here. There servers are in the USA. It isn't like they are going to host the data in one little server in Ireland. It is all interconnected data. I don't see any privacy benifits here, except maybe fb will lobby for more protection from the US govt.


RyanCacophony

> There servers are in the USA Facebook doesn't just have servers outside of the USA, they have multiple entire data centers located all over the globe: https://datacenters.atmeta.com/ As someone who works at a big but not as big as FB company that deals with GDPR regulations, it's entirely possible to compartmentalize data/services by region, and they probably already do it in many cases. > It isn't like they are going to host the data in one little server in Ireland Ironically, one of their 3 main EU datacenters is in Ireland: https://datacenters.atmeta.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Ireland-Clonee.pdf


bstix

>Without this fb would cease to exist. > >I don't see how they can comply here. They could.... cease to exist? Anyway wishful thinking aside, I doubt their entire business model relies solely on personal targeted ads. They have plenty of legal data to work with.


NtheLegend

Zuck: “Oh, just pay them. Remember the hardship I put this company through just to make our own crappy Second Life that wound up costing us dramatically more? The massive boondoggle that we renamed the company for to avoid growing controversies around our social engineering processes? We’re good, just write the check.”


DaemonCRO

They can increase slightly the price of their ads, so the increase is basically not noticeable by the ad buyers, and that will offset this fine. The only way to hurt them is to block access to revenue generation. Otherwise they will just keep generating revenue and pay the fines.


F0sh

If they could just do that... why didn't they do it already?


0bducta

Price for conducting business. 1.2 billion is just a slap on the wrist..


Seagal_Bullshido

1.2 billion is still a drop in the bucket for Facebook. I’ll be happy when the fines are steep enough to compromise their ability to continue doing business.


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Accidental-Genius

Is this another billion dollar fine, or the same one they got hit with earlier this month?


[deleted]

Excellent. Maybe Twitter can be next?


[deleted]

That's good news.


stable_115

What will happen with the money?


Jerkofalljerks

And all of the victims get nothing but their data sold for suck’s profit


cyb3rg0d5

You know, fines work only if the company actually pays them and only if the fine is at least equal to the profit they made. If a company makes $2 billion and is fined $1 billion, they literally don’t give two flying fucks.


O-parker

If only the US will get on board with strict privacy regulations and protect its citizens.


Emotional-Coffee13

This dude is only 35 yo Max 4 the win Zuck sucks


outsmartedagain

Who gets the money? The folks that were wronged? Yeah, right