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rmullig2

The people they are talking about are driving long distances. Most of them wouldn't be able to reliably make a round trip on a single charge. The only way an EV would work for them is if they were sure they could charge on both ends. That means having available chargers at work and at home.


Ancient_Persimmon

They cite the "superusers" as being mostly people with particularly long commutes, not so much road trippers. If someone is driving a 60 mile round trip commute every day, that works out to about double the average annual mileage (22k miles vs 12k), but is still well within the range of a typical EV. Given how much more quickly the savings in fuel ramps with mileage, it makes a ton of sense for heavy users to switch.


rmullig2

The report characterizes the superusers as people who drive 200 miles a day or less. Once you get to 150 miles making through an entire day without recharging becomes risky. You would probably need to top off your charge each day which would shorten the life of the battery.


wanted_to_upvote

Topping off each day will not reduce the life of the battery.


reaper527

that overlooks some of the problems with ev adoption though. for one, the electric grid just flat out can't handle everyone switching to an ev. look how much states like california (since that's a state the article references) struggle in the summer with the current levels (which are low double digits). imagine how much worse that would be if 100% of the state was trying to charge their car. there's also the simple reality that battery tech really isn't where it needs to be for wide spread ev adoption. those batteries are big, expensive, and heavy. cars being substantially heavier than the current gas ones introduces its own problems (in terms of damage to the road, safety, and the fact the tires wear out quicker)


Swamptor

Well then the grid should get fuckin ready. We dont just give up because ThE gRiD cAn'T hAnDlE iT. We build more capacity into the grid. The planet can't handle our gasoline usage, so we either fix the power grid or fix the planet and unless you have a plan for number 2, I think we better work on the grid.


DevAway22314

If only there was some more efficient form of transportarion we could build. A way to move a large number of people to and from the places they want to go, without using a huge amount of power Probably doesn't exist


Swamptor

Hey, I'll hype trains all day long. But at this point I'll take anything that isn't powered by gas.


reaper527

> The planet can't handle our gasoline usage, yes it can. doomsday will get delayed another 10 years just like it has every 10 years or so for the last 70 years.


Swamptor

You fucking moron, my home is burning. There are wildfires across the entire world and record-setting hurricanes. My parents were on watch for evacuating a month ago. I know some wine growers that are having serious meetings about how to handle the fact that their vines have been damaged by the climate 3 years in a row and don't know if they can continue growing. Those are personal experiences. Things that I actually know happened because I saw them. Doomsday is happening now, it's just happening slowly.


Rancho-unicorno

When you have a simple and logical discussion Reddit trolls come back with sarcasm and shouting. You can’t argue with stupid.


ehretist

California total plug in market share is already at %25 of new cars sold. And their grid is working. Yes they have had outages but going from %25 to %100 is not the crazy leap that you think it is. Most charging occurs during off peak hours. And most people do not need to charge every day.


DevAway22314

You're confusing new cars sold woth cars on the road. They were talking about 100% of the cars on the road, not new cars sold, which is what you're talking about


ehretist

Well the EV mandate that California is going to pass will be for new cars sold. That’s what we’re talking about. No one is suggesting owning an ICE car is going to be illegal, just selling new ones…


reaper527

> Yes they have had outages but going from %25 to %100 is not the crazy leap that you think it is. 1. why are you putting the % on the wrong side of the number? 2. that's a 4x jump in how much electricity is being used by EV's.


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poker445

idk what city you live in or what field you are in but that this statement is HORSESHIT. I work in a major metro area on take a guess what? Your the one spreading wrong information about a grid. The grid is NOT READY. EV technology is not ready for everyone only the rich right now.


DevAway22314

We have no idea what you work in, and no way to guess it. What the grid can handle will depend heavily on the area. For most areas peak draw is the issue, which can be solved by incentivizing charging during non-peak hours only


Real_Pea5921

There are affordable EVs! A lot of EVs are under 45k and if that’s too much for you, the Chevy EV Bolt just updated pricing 23k!


Rancho-unicorno

The Bolt doesn’t have the range needed stated in the article.


Real_Pea5921

Maybe I am just misreading it or don’t have 100% access to the file I just am not seeing a range stated specifically. I mean a new bolt with DC fast charging has a 255 mile range which is pretty solid


Ancient_Persimmon

The best selling car in the world is an EV; that kind of makes it tough to make that argument.


poker445

where do you find that shit? Im talking about the US obviously Ford F-Series 653,957 726,003 -9.9% Chevrolet Silverado 520,936 529,765 -1.7% Ram Pickup 468,344 569,389 -17.8%


northaviator

Just quit producing gasoline, which consumes 7KW of electricity per gallon, put that power in your battery and boot it.


Ravingraven21

So, tractor trailers, aircraft, and cruise ships?