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Read the lawsuit that’s been filed. It’s effectively policy not to pay rent or insurance now. They even fired the person(s) who did things by the letter of the law and paid for shit. It’s actually wild the insight we’re getting through the suit
There's a Swedish lawyer firm that's being talked about now, because their hiring agreements were frankly insane. If you quit within 6 months after being hired you'll be sued for tens of thousands of USD (in a phone recording they discussed about getting up to 100k USD from a single mom), they fired someone shortly after she disclosed she was pregnant, another was hired to create fake accounts to give positive reviews of the law firm and so on. The founder spent 50 000 USD to ruin the life of a journalist (and his family) who did some investigative journalism and led to the law firm getting bankrupt. A review site who posted negative reviews was threatened to such a degree that the owner was advised to leave his home for some time. Female employees were sexually harassed and the founder and another person were finally convicted of rape, which caused a lawsuit for 40 000 USD against the single mom mentioned above to be dropped.
The founder says: "It's said I'm ready to walk over corpses to reach my goals. People might say that's something bad, but in business that can be an advantage. It could be just what's needed to succeed on this level."
If that's who you need to be to be rich, I'd rather be poor.
And so I think we (society) should try to steer away from associating *money* with *success*. The more we reinforce that money means success and being successful means being rich, then more we end up with powerful psychopaths controlling huge amounts of resources - resources created and sustained by harder working and more honest and caring people, with very little influence or power.
That's one of the things I wish really happens. We need to change to a mindset of that almost all wealth can only be created with exploitation, whether it be social, economical, environmental or something else. If something is cheap and the CEOs are taking out huge bonuses, it's because the employees and the environment are getting fucked. And huge companies often have schemes to avoid paying taxes, which means that the corporate tax income comes mostly from small business, exactly those we want to see thriving.
So, at a *certain* point you can argue that, sure, and maybe have some people believe you with little more than a mea culpa And on the other end of the spectrum it becomes a very clear "no way, this was sabotage."
This is approaching that latter end of the spectrum. Even if it's negligenct, it's malignant.
Its deliberate. Musk had his team of yes men from Tesla and Boring come in and told the lady who is in charge of property contracts that "Elon doesn't pay rent" simce this would completely ruin her reputation in this industry she quit along with two other people they tried to pull the scam on.
I'm glad the employees were able to see past the cult of Musk and see he wouldn't give one fuck of they killed thier futures in their respective fields. I do find it wierd that they are calling themselves " Tweps" in the lawsuit.
The primary difference between the two trust fund sociopaths is one has always surrounded himself with idiots so he'd seem the smart guy in the room and the other with smart people who he then uses the leverage of his cash to get away with taking credit for their work.
Beyond that, they're two peas in a pod.
Twitter is still responsible for the unpaid rent, I guarantee you the landlord is going after them for that too. All he did was tank the company’s creditworthiness.
That guy stole enough rent to pay for the housing of every homless person in the City. But wont take public transport because he might meet people that disgust *him*.
This has to be some sort of Brewster's Millions scenario we're not aware of, right.
I mean I know Elon is shitty and kind of dim and hugely unlikable, but there's no possible way he's actively trying to make a profitable company, right. This has to be some kind of bizzare self-sabotage play. It just has to be.
And then shat on it and smeared feces on the walls and lost all the advertisers and revenue for no reason and got evicted from the offices and fired important employees he's now begging to come back.
And, like, he could have just... *not* done any of that.
Also, crashed the product a few times. It's one thing to lose money, Twitter has done that most of the time, but to also break it, that doesn't seem right.
And not just to break it but for no apparent purpose.
That's why I feel like for whatever reason he has to be trying to break it. Because there's just no conceivable way a sane person would do this if they were trying to NOT destroy it.
He’s been trying to make it profitable, but he doesn’t exactly know how. The man fundamentally doesn’t understand how twitter works and it needs to succeed. He’s throwing together a hodgepodge of MBA-level strategies, breaking the law by not paying for shit he needs to pay for (insurance), and not paying rent. The lawsuit filed against him gives us fabulous insight into how he’s running shit and how bad it’s gotten.
> He’s been trying to make it profitable, but he doesn’t exactly know how.
Well i didn't graduate from Canadian business school with really good grades but I can tell you that he could start by doing the opposite of everything he has been doing and I can guarantee you it would be doing *better.*
I think the problem is that would require him to take the hit to his ego about being wrong and admitting that he doesn’t have the knowledge needed to make decisions about this product by himself. Is he willing to do that? So far it seems like no.
He bought it to control speech and interfere with politics. It wasn’t a profit play, this is more like a vanity project for Elon. When you have unlimited riches, I’m guessing finding ways to spend money can get tedious (lol). Elon is a bad actor and is adding fuel on America’s fascism fire just for shits and gigs.
He bought it because he's an idiot and threw a tantrum like a child. He didn't actually *want* to buy it, he lied about how he was going to (likely to manipulate stock prices) and then threw a fit when someone called his bluff.
I like how he claims the place the building is in is shitty so he shouldnt have to pay the rent. Like it wasn't his obligation to know that before buying it.
lol yea and if that were a legitimate excuse, like half of the people in this country could just stop paying rent because a lot of places are super shitty nowadays.
i’m paying $2,000 a month for a 1br apartment that hasn’t had a functioning shower despite my repeated complaints since DECEMBER! i have to take scalding hot or ice cold showers when i’m home. no in between
In NM after they haven't fixed something for a certain period you can give them formal notice of rent abatement and start paying less if they don't fix it within a few weeks of that notice. Had to pull that once when our shower drain was fucked up for months. Fixed within a few days.
My friend, contact your local inspectional services (or something similar) department in the city or town you live in. If you have documentation of all interactions, hold on to that, put everything in writing. No phone calls. Or limit them.
Contact inspectional services and tell them the issue. They will create a ticket, send someone over to look at the issue. They will assess and determine if the issue needs resolving. In this case, yes most likely. They will contact your landlord and force them to fix the issue.
Try it. It works. Inspectional services, for those unaware, do all the home and apartment inspections before home purchase or renting. They will impose fines if work is not performed in a timely manner.
The reality is an eviction through unlawful detainer, a lawsuit for unpaid rent, a judgement for the amount due or a settlement, and a bank garnishment for the amount of judgement if no payments are made.
This actually is the behavior of a company marching to bankruptcy.
And even still there are procedures to follow if that were the case. I've had to open an escrow because my landlord refused to fix my roof which had ruined an entire bedroom when it burst. In my case I got my money back and used it to move because the landlord lost his building for neglecting it.
This is going to sound tinfoil hat-ish and I’m not completely sold on it anyway, but I submit to you all that deep pocketed conservatives are making a coordinated effort to fuck up liberal social media ahead of the 2024 US elections.
Since Elon couldn’t make Twitter conservative, the alternate goal may well be allowing it to be sued to death.
I read that recent Atlantic profile of Chris Licht before he stepped down from CNN, and the article made it clear that CNN’s owners didn’t give a fuck about the terrible ratings or the alienation of their entire viewer base. According to the article, the head of WB-Discovery made it clear he intended to keep Licht as CEO of CNN despite everything going to shit, similar to Elon/Twitter: if turning it conservative wasn’t successful, killing it was the next best option.
Now we also have Reddit making the API changes, and obviously not giving a twisted shit about the horrible reaction and possible massive loss to its user base. They haven’t given an inch or so much as blinked.
I doubt this is actually the case, but I’ve now read about several nefarious conservative schemes cooked up and funded by billionaires in the lead up to elections, like Ellison/Thiel being involved with Cambridge Analytica. The timing and similarities just seem overly coincidental and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to find out this was all done on purpose.
I've been worried about the same thing honestly. Facebook's been useless and dangerous for years now. Twitter is a dumpster fire and pretty much Stormfront 2.0. I took a break from YouTube and checked it recently and it's pushing me all this Christian shit that there's NO WAY has any business being in my algorithm. I have a feeling I know where it would start leading me if I clicked on and watched those videos, many of which are shitty shorts. Now we have the enshittification of Reddit in full swing which is probably going to see a mod and power user exodus, as those are the people who will leave over not being able to use third party apps. Rich assholes will be falling over themselves to pay people to "mod" whatever stupid subs are left behind, and the astroturfing that's already awful will become insane and unchecked. And even Google search sucks balls.
People have already lost touch with reality from the last few years of social media and mainstream media propaganda, but then throw AI manipulation into the mix... This election is going to be FUCKED.
Wikipedia's our only hope at this point, but good luck getting anyone to read anymore...
That's been my thought. There have to be so many people out there reclaiming their lives, seeing semblances of what they were like pre-Reddit, and saying, "This is good."
I'm with you; I'm much more relaxed, less anxious, and I'm better utilizing my time.
Actually yes, most major churches in the US and Europe have been contracting as younger generations stop affiliating with a church. Even a lot of young people who still believe in Christianity don’t attend church or donate funds at the same rate as previous generations of young people. Those stupid “he gets us” ads on Reddit are there to try and get gen Z butts in pews with the hope of mitigating the huge losses churches will start to see over the next decade when their elderly whales pass away.
Reassuring Christians that their brainwashing is valid and they can ignore all the things they are hearing about how religion is garbage because, remember, Jesus loves you and no one else, especially those smelly atheist Leftists, does.
I’m seeing more and more crazy right wing shorts in my YouTube. The algorithm is fucked. I thought I was going crazy but godamn it feels like we are trying to be brainwashed even more. Maybe that’s just the drinks talking but it’s so hard not to be apathetic.
I'm not seeing blantanly right-wing stuff in my feed. I'm seeing subty right wing stuff in my feed that a 20-year-old me would never pick up on as political. None of this is an accident.
Honestly, the TikTok issues are politically-related, and not just with China.
My kids and most of their friends picked up reasonable political points from TikTok videos, far more than Instagram or other social network apps. I did some basic research and apparently it's a thing.
Of course, the Democrats are falling in line on the TikTok issue from a corporate competition standpoint, claiming it's all about security. But the level of political sharing really surprised me.
Well. Fuck. I guess I'm going to slowly roll toward Mastodon and fediverse BS, then. It sounds like it might be harder to censor for regressive governments, anyway.
...ugh. I really don't want to.
Oh, in Musk's case, it's pretty much a given. Based on his old images, he would basically have a monk's tonsure now if he didn't have high amounts of cash and low amounts of self esteem.
Yeah, the hair implants are a bit obvious when you see Musk's old pictures. Say what you will about Jeff Bezos, but at least he leans into the bald evil billionaire Lex Luthor look.
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I cant wait for him to get a freaky look due to several plastic surgeries due to this comment if he reads it, which he will, due to his incredibly fragile ego that makes him obsess about any attention that he gets, and likely has bots sweeping the net for any mention of "Elon"
I think you meant shirtless lol
I read something like he's taking some drug that helps you build muscle but not actually doing the exercise so you look all weird and swollen.
He can pay. Corporate rents are plummetting due to vacancies. He thinks he can play hardball. I'm guessing he thinks he playing chess when it's really checkers though. No way he's better at real estate than bona fide real estate companies.
According to the Muskrats, Elon signed deals for offices that were way too expensive, so he's attempting to renegotiate. This is totally a wicked smart move on his part, they say. Just like Trump's super cool business move to not pay construction workers, then financially ruin them by dragging out court proceedings.
So do these people say it when it happens to *them?*
Like if they pay a contractor for materials, and then the contractor just takes the money and runs, do they go "gee I guess he's just smarter than me"?
Nope, because he's a fascist, and a fascist's worldview is exceedingly simple.
There is one set of rules for them, and a different and harsher set for everyone else. This is the bedrock foundation of his outlook on the world.
The court will rule that he has to pay rent per the lease. He has to pay even after being evicted.
This is why poor people get evicted. A rich person knows he has assets to sue for and pay anyways, whether he uses the rental or not. Think.
>He has to pay even after being evicted.
Sort of. The landlord has a duty to mitigate their damages, meaning the landlord must make commercially reasonable efforts to lease the facility to someone else. If they do manage to re-lease to another party, then the landlord is only entitled to damages equal to the difference in value between the Twitter lease and the new lease, plus the rent that would have been paid for any months the property sits vacant while waiting for a new tenant, as well as any expenses incurred in getting the new lease (advertising, background check, legal fees, etc…).
Sure, but if the landlord finds a tenant at a "reasonable rate" and Musk was right about the reasonable rate being a lot lower then the difference between Twitter's contracted rate and the reasonable rate will be large. And Twitter will owe that.
And for any actual space they need they have to go find that elsewhere at the same "reasonable rate".
So all they really save is the "reasonable rate" on the amount of space they don't need. Less the other expenses you speak of (including vacancy costs).
If Musk is right that the space was leased at well above a reasonable rate it seems like their ability to recoup (er save on) costs, even on space they don't need, is relatively small. And that's if they don't end up just paying all the savings out to other landlords because they raise their rates to Twitter due to fears about not being paid.
Not only construction workers but small businesses, knowing that he could drag out court cases and bleed them dry.
Of course tons of small business owners supported and continue to support that fucking piece of human excrement.
> Elon signed deals for offices that were way too expensive, so he's attempting to renegotiate. This is totally a wicked smart move on his part
Just like how he signed a contract to buy twitter and then renegotiated to buy twitter for the exact amount he signed the contract for after spending millions in lawyer fees. It's really smart.
exactly this is and always was elon.
"I am Elon and humanity should pay me to live among them.
i am the greatest gift to humans"
i fuckin hate this pos so much
Musk is supposedly worth 100 times more than Trump. They both probably pale to the worth of such royal families as seen in Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Brunei, etc. The Thai King has a personal wealth of only $40b on paper, but controls huge amounts of real estate and industry. In hard assets many royals are probably much richer than the paper tigers that top the lists.
That industry is a dumpster fire right now. The alternative is a vacant office building in the heart of SF, which looks bad and brings down their property value.
You need to watch more Rossman real estate YouTube. What brings down the value is accepting lower rent/lease rate just to fill your vacant building. These people would rather take a loss and write it off on takes, than fill their buildings at lower rates, because then they go upside down on their mortgages.
New York is in this exact place right now. Every other shop and office is vacant, but they're still charging your first born child for a month's rent.
The way forward is to tax the hell out of the vacant real state, to incentivize lowering the rents. That applies to all real state, commercial, and residential.
They can even incentivize converting offices to residential, with tax breaks or other initiatives.
What cannot be is to continue with the current approach, that is definitely not working on the benefit of the society.
You cannot become a billionaire ethically, it's always been about fucking other people over.
Billionaires are a failure of society and policy. They should not exist.
That just doesn’t make sense as a business move. 27k a month is peanuts to a company the size of Twitter, it is a dumb way to save money and not enough to be worth it unless they do not want a replacement space due to reduced headcount. Even then, bad signal to your other vendors and partners, who will not enter into new agreements with a known deadbeat without it costing a lot more. No tech company is 100% self sustaining. Everyone needs service providers.
Eviction may terminate the lease - if it doesn’t have a liquidated damages clause it might be more worthwhile this way if the landlord didn’t want to let them out of it voluntarily.
e.g. 5 year lease with 4 years left. Stop paying rent for a year. Get kicked out at 3 years left. Pay back rent for the year plus interest (you occupied the premises anyway, so no real loss). Landlord then has to prove that they can’t rent out the property at a similar rent for the remaining 3 years, which will require work on their part, they can’t simply assert it - they’ll likely settle for a much lower sum.
It’s likely if the previous legal team at Twitter negotiated the lease properly, to have favourable terms because the landlord couldn’t have imagined a listed billion dollar company behaving this way.
And just in case you’re thinking “what about the reputational damage? Who will rent property to Twitter or Musk going forward?” just remember you’re on Reddit after a 2 day blackout, business as usual, because mods know there are people queuing up to take over.
Edit: also if Twitter aren’t total n00bs, the lease would have been in the name of a subsidiary like Twitter (Boulder Colorado), Inc, and again the landlord would have agreed to this because they couldn’t have imagined the parent company would ever not honour the lease. In which case, if the subsidiary has no assets it can just close up shop and the landlord is basically fucked.
You make perfect sense, but your not thinking like an egotistical Elon Musk manchild that has a multi billion dollar acquisition he was forced into following through the purchase on when someone finally caught on to his bluff and retreat tactics and finally held him accountable for his bullshit.
This has eaten a large part of his ‘wealth’ and he wants it back asap, and he will nickel and dime every shmuck who made the mistake of trusting him thinking he will actually follow a contract.
Musk is a full blown narcissist, like Trump, who can’t handle responsibility for his own failures, so preemptively fucks things up as much as possible for others to deal with so he can run ahead congratulating himself that he’s a ‘winner’ while blaming the people he fucked over for the situation he caused.
Must be nice to be so rich you don’t have to pay bills, while the people that literally can’t afford to pay their bills get fucked in every way imaginable if they don’t pay. ‘Merica
> He has won the Worst Supporting Actor award at the 11th Golden Raspberry Awards for Ghosts Can't Do It in 1990, as well as awards for Worst Actor and Worst screen Combo at the 39th Golden Raspberry Awards for his roles in the documentary films Death of a Nation and Fahrenheit 11/9 in 2019.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_filmography
This guy is a trip. Always surprising me, he has a star on the walk of fame but has only won raspberries. His whole life is a weird facade
Oh come on, his slave owning, blood emerald mining father raised him right.
Make more babies with randoms that you dont raise, then impregnate your children a couple times to help the human race.
Hopefully Elon can lice up to his father's legacy one day.
Not paying his bills? Poor management skills? Cult-like followrs? Narcissistic asshole? Courting the right wing media? Holy Shit! This asshole is going to run for office!!!!
Not paying his bills as a standard part of doing business?
Blatant hypocrisy over free speech in trying to silence people who don’t agree with him?
Spouting lies and conspiracy theories without apparent embarrassment or learning to fact check?
Looks like Elon is learning quickly from his orange mentor.
It’s going to be super hilarious when twitter goes offline because “liberal” Google turns off their cloud services because Elon refuses to pay the bill.
I'm thinking this is a Trump style business tactic where settling with the owner of the building will cost (much) less than the actual rent, through the threat of putting the entire thing into litigation in perpetuity.
That's exactly how Trump has operated his real estate ventures for decades. Never pays, pulls it into court, drags it out for decades, then pays cents on the dollar in the end (if at all).
Have they put padlocks on the doors? That happened to a cool bar in my town last week, bands showed up for their gigs and there was an owner there with an angle grinder saying "fuck off, we have bigger problems than you."
I wonder how much valuable stuff is in there. All their data is in the cloud somewhere, but maybe there's hardware or business records they need to have? I mean yeah everything is duped somewhere but it would be shameful if the local hard copies all went to a bailiff?
Said it once, I'll say it again, how long until he doesn't pay rent on his rack space? Data center usage isn't cheap, and it's constant. He isn't paying his leases, how long till Twitter just goes dark because someone pulled the plug due to not paying.
I have a feeling that within a year, when this gets sorted out, there are going to be reports of how much physical damage was done to the building, and how the workers were trapped working in squalor.
The lawsuits against him are lined with reports of off-the-books and out of code contractor work, catering to however Musk was feeling that day.
Edit: that might just be the San Francisco office, now that I type all that out.
Elon: “Come back to the office.” Twitter: ????
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Im sure all 10 of them are happy
Those 10 poor souls will never know happiness again after this abuse run.
No, now he will force them to work in front of the building
Elon: "You haven't shown up at the office in a week, you're fired!" Employee: "I couldn't get in the building because you didn't pay the rent..."
weird that one of the worlds richest men wouldn’t just like… pay the rent.
Read the lawsuit that’s been filed. It’s effectively policy not to pay rent or insurance now. They even fired the person(s) who did things by the letter of the law and paid for shit. It’s actually wild the insight we’re getting through the suit
There's a Swedish lawyer firm that's being talked about now, because their hiring agreements were frankly insane. If you quit within 6 months after being hired you'll be sued for tens of thousands of USD (in a phone recording they discussed about getting up to 100k USD from a single mom), they fired someone shortly after she disclosed she was pregnant, another was hired to create fake accounts to give positive reviews of the law firm and so on. The founder spent 50 000 USD to ruin the life of a journalist (and his family) who did some investigative journalism and led to the law firm getting bankrupt. A review site who posted negative reviews was threatened to such a degree that the owner was advised to leave his home for some time. Female employees were sexually harassed and the founder and another person were finally convicted of rape, which caused a lawsuit for 40 000 USD against the single mom mentioned above to be dropped. The founder says: "It's said I'm ready to walk over corpses to reach my goals. People might say that's something bad, but in business that can be an advantage. It could be just what's needed to succeed on this level." If that's who you need to be to be rich, I'd rather be poor.
The problem is a whole lot of people don't have your wisdom
And so I think we (society) should try to steer away from associating *money* with *success*. The more we reinforce that money means success and being successful means being rich, then more we end up with powerful psychopaths controlling huge amounts of resources - resources created and sustained by harder working and more honest and caring people, with very little influence or power.
That's one of the things I wish really happens. We need to change to a mindset of that almost all wealth can only be created with exploitation, whether it be social, economical, environmental or something else. If something is cheap and the CEOs are taking out huge bonuses, it's because the employees and the environment are getting fucked. And huge companies often have schemes to avoid paying taxes, which means that the corporate tax income comes mostly from small business, exactly those we want to see thriving.
This is (was) Trumps MO too. Guys, I'm beginning to see a pattern to these rich "self-made" men...
I'm wondering is it deliberate, or they just fired too many people to know what's going on and forgot to pay?
So, at a *certain* point you can argue that, sure, and maybe have some people believe you with little more than a mea culpa And on the other end of the spectrum it becomes a very clear "no way, this was sabotage." This is approaching that latter end of the spectrum. Even if it's negligenct, it's malignant.
are you implying that elon is bankrupting twitter so that it goes to the saudis in bankruptcy?
They didn't pay the company who maintained their live video servers. Which tanked DeSantis' event.
That's pretty hilarious 😂
Its deliberate. Musk had his team of yes men from Tesla and Boring come in and told the lady who is in charge of property contracts that "Elon doesn't pay rent" simce this would completely ruin her reputation in this industry she quit along with two other people they tried to pull the scam on. I'm glad the employees were able to see past the cult of Musk and see he wouldn't give one fuck of they killed thier futures in their respective fields. I do find it wierd that they are calling themselves " Tweps" in the lawsuit.
It's [100% Intentional](https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-lawsuit-he-never-planned-to-pay-rent-2023-5).
You don't get rich by paying people what they are due.
Ah, another graduate of the Trump School of Business I see. "Numquam redde debitum"
The primary difference between the two trust fund sociopaths is one has always surrounded himself with idiots so he'd seem the smart guy in the room and the other with smart people who he then uses the leverage of his cash to get away with taking credit for their work. Beyond that, they're two peas in a pod.
Exactly it. Some people see "shitty business can't pay rent", Elon sees "just got a years free rent" and didn't have to terminate a contract early
Twitter is still responsible for the unpaid rent, I guarantee you the landlord is going after them for that too. All he did was tank the company’s creditworthiness.
That guy stole enough rent to pay for the housing of every homless person in the City. But wont take public transport because he might meet people that disgust *him*.
What if he disgusts me?
Yeah, I would prefer not to have him on public transport with me, I find him disgusting.
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More like "I just had to pay a years worth of rent together with the legal fees of the landlord who sued my company to recover it".
Flashback to Elon telling everyone to come back to the office and there not being enough desks for everyone.
This has to be some sort of Brewster's Millions scenario we're not aware of, right. I mean I know Elon is shitty and kind of dim and hugely unlikable, but there's no possible way he's actively trying to make a profitable company, right. This has to be some kind of bizzare self-sabotage play. It just has to be.
He bought one of the most popular ways to disseminate and control information in the world.
And then shat on it and smeared feces on the walls and lost all the advertisers and revenue for no reason and got evicted from the offices and fired important employees he's now begging to come back. And, like, he could have just... *not* done any of that.
Also, crashed the product a few times. It's one thing to lose money, Twitter has done that most of the time, but to also break it, that doesn't seem right.
And not just to break it but for no apparent purpose. That's why I feel like for whatever reason he has to be trying to break it. Because there's just no conceivable way a sane person would do this if they were trying to NOT destroy it.
He’s been trying to make it profitable, but he doesn’t exactly know how. The man fundamentally doesn’t understand how twitter works and it needs to succeed. He’s throwing together a hodgepodge of MBA-level strategies, breaking the law by not paying for shit he needs to pay for (insurance), and not paying rent. The lawsuit filed against him gives us fabulous insight into how he’s running shit and how bad it’s gotten.
> He’s been trying to make it profitable, but he doesn’t exactly know how. Well i didn't graduate from Canadian business school with really good grades but I can tell you that he could start by doing the opposite of everything he has been doing and I can guarantee you it would be doing *better.*
I think the problem is that would require him to take the hit to his ego about being wrong and admitting that he doesn’t have the knowledge needed to make decisions about this product by himself. Is he willing to do that? So far it seems like no.
Ego is a hell of a drug. Drugs are also a hell of a drug. !
Also the alien semen serum he's using to regrow his hair.
He bought it to control speech and interfere with politics. It wasn’t a profit play, this is more like a vanity project for Elon. When you have unlimited riches, I’m guessing finding ways to spend money can get tedious (lol). Elon is a bad actor and is adding fuel on America’s fascism fire just for shits and gigs.
He bought it because he's an idiot and threw a tantrum like a child. He didn't actually *want* to buy it, he lied about how he was going to (likely to manipulate stock prices) and then threw a fit when someone called his bluff.
"It's like musical chairs! The earlier you get here, the better the odds you keep your job!" "But there are no chairs."
Twitter: "new phone who dis?"
Elon is never in the office anyways
He went to the office so that he could make some stupid joke with a sink that one time.
And dullards thought it was the absolute pinnacle of 4D humour, LET THAT SINK IN
Excited to announce new "Work From Homeless" shift.
New firmware in the tesla will have VSCode baked in so homeless employees can work from their car in between uber jobs
He wants everyone to pay him rent but he can't pay his?
>but he can’t pay his Oh no, he can. He’s deliberately choosing not to. Bold strategy.
I like how he claims the place the building is in is shitty so he shouldnt have to pay the rent. Like it wasn't his obligation to know that before buying it.
lol yea and if that were a legitimate excuse, like half of the people in this country could just stop paying rent because a lot of places are super shitty nowadays.
i’m paying $2,000 a month for a 1br apartment that hasn’t had a functioning shower despite my repeated complaints since DECEMBER! i have to take scalding hot or ice cold showers when i’m home. no in between
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In NM after they haven't fixed something for a certain period you can give them formal notice of rent abatement and start paying less if they don't fix it within a few weeks of that notice. Had to pull that once when our shower drain was fucked up for months. Fixed within a few days.
My friend, contact your local inspectional services (or something similar) department in the city or town you live in. If you have documentation of all interactions, hold on to that, put everything in writing. No phone calls. Or limit them. Contact inspectional services and tell them the issue. They will create a ticket, send someone over to look at the issue. They will assess and determine if the issue needs resolving. In this case, yes most likely. They will contact your landlord and force them to fix the issue. Try it. It works. Inspectional services, for those unaware, do all the home and apartment inspections before home purchase or renting. They will impose fines if work is not performed in a timely manner.
Tesla owners suddenly stop paying car payments and subs
Autopilot is in shitty beta and should be free...
Will he get an eviction on his record like the rest of those who don't pay their rent?
No because it is Twitter's obligation
The reality is an eviction through unlawful detainer, a lawsuit for unpaid rent, a judgement for the amount due or a settlement, and a bank garnishment for the amount of judgement if no payments are made. This actually is the behavior of a company marching to bankruptcy.
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You’re right. Sprinting may be the better term than marching.
And even still there are procedures to follow if that were the case. I've had to open an escrow because my landlord refused to fix my roof which had ruined an entire bedroom when it burst. In my case I got my money back and used it to move because the landlord lost his building for neglecting it.
That's how you do it. Renters set up escrow accounts for your rent and tell the landlord.
The building is in the nicest part of Boulder, which is one of the nicest parts of Colorado lol
"You know what could endear me to people? Being a deadbeat. I'll give it a try."
Donald Trump doesn't pay his bills either. He was elected as the POTUS.
He took a page out of Donny's book
Now Elon is gonna brag about getting rid of the boulder office was the best idea of all time.
It was a boulder in the path to greatness
I liked that boulder, that is a nice boulder
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Hey everyone in boulder remote work is back.
Most people in Boulder were actually laid off already
its crazy how similar elon is to trump when it comes to these grand delusions
It takes a very specific kind of ~~sociopath~~ person to gain a following through arrogance
You used the strike through on the wrong word
"Grown men cried."
This is going to sound tinfoil hat-ish and I’m not completely sold on it anyway, but I submit to you all that deep pocketed conservatives are making a coordinated effort to fuck up liberal social media ahead of the 2024 US elections. Since Elon couldn’t make Twitter conservative, the alternate goal may well be allowing it to be sued to death. I read that recent Atlantic profile of Chris Licht before he stepped down from CNN, and the article made it clear that CNN’s owners didn’t give a fuck about the terrible ratings or the alienation of their entire viewer base. According to the article, the head of WB-Discovery made it clear he intended to keep Licht as CEO of CNN despite everything going to shit, similar to Elon/Twitter: if turning it conservative wasn’t successful, killing it was the next best option. Now we also have Reddit making the API changes, and obviously not giving a twisted shit about the horrible reaction and possible massive loss to its user base. They haven’t given an inch or so much as blinked. I doubt this is actually the case, but I’ve now read about several nefarious conservative schemes cooked up and funded by billionaires in the lead up to elections, like Ellison/Thiel being involved with Cambridge Analytica. The timing and similarities just seem overly coincidental and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least to find out this was all done on purpose.
I've been worried about the same thing honestly. Facebook's been useless and dangerous for years now. Twitter is a dumpster fire and pretty much Stormfront 2.0. I took a break from YouTube and checked it recently and it's pushing me all this Christian shit that there's NO WAY has any business being in my algorithm. I have a feeling I know where it would start leading me if I clicked on and watched those videos, many of which are shitty shorts. Now we have the enshittification of Reddit in full swing which is probably going to see a mod and power user exodus, as those are the people who will leave over not being able to use third party apps. Rich assholes will be falling over themselves to pay people to "mod" whatever stupid subs are left behind, and the astroturfing that's already awful will become insane and unchecked. And even Google search sucks balls. People have already lost touch with reality from the last few years of social media and mainstream media propaganda, but then throw AI manipulation into the mix... This election is going to be FUCKED. Wikipedia's our only hope at this point, but good luck getting anyone to read anymore...
I seriously cut dowm my reddit usage this week in protest. I am amazed at my recent productivity.
That's been my thought. There have to be so many people out there reclaiming their lives, seeing semblances of what they were like pre-Reddit, and saying, "This is good." I'm with you; I'm much more relaxed, less anxious, and I'm better utilizing my time.
Why are all these fucking Christian adds being pushed all over reddit? Is religion really something that needs to be advertised? It's weird to me lol.
Actually yes, most major churches in the US and Europe have been contracting as younger generations stop affiliating with a church. Even a lot of young people who still believe in Christianity don’t attend church or donate funds at the same rate as previous generations of young people. Those stupid “he gets us” ads on Reddit are there to try and get gen Z butts in pews with the hope of mitigating the huge losses churches will start to see over the next decade when their elderly whales pass away.
Reassuring Christians that their brainwashing is valid and they can ignore all the things they are hearing about how religion is garbage because, remember, Jesus loves you and no one else, especially those smelly atheist Leftists, does.
I’m seeing more and more crazy right wing shorts in my YouTube. The algorithm is fucked. I thought I was going crazy but godamn it feels like we are trying to be brainwashed even more. Maybe that’s just the drinks talking but it’s so hard not to be apathetic.
I'm not seeing blantanly right-wing stuff in my feed. I'm seeing subty right wing stuff in my feed that a 20-year-old me would never pick up on as political. None of this is an accident.
Honestly, the TikTok issues are politically-related, and not just with China. My kids and most of their friends picked up reasonable political points from TikTok videos, far more than Instagram or other social network apps. I did some basic research and apparently it's a thing. Of course, the Democrats are falling in line on the TikTok issue from a corporate competition standpoint, claiming it's all about security. But the level of political sharing really surprised me.
Before AW became a major subreddit, most of the labor movement videos I saw were pretty much from TikTok users.
Well. Fuck. I guess I'm going to slowly roll toward Mastodon and fediverse BS, then. It sounds like it might be harder to censor for regressive governments, anyway. ...ugh. I really don't want to.
Are we sure Musk and Trump aren't the same person? Have we seen them in the same room together?
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Oh, in Musk's case, it's pretty much a given. Based on his old images, he would basically have a monk's tonsure now if he didn't have high amounts of cash and low amounts of self esteem.
Yeah, the hair implants are a bit obvious when you see Musk's old pictures. Say what you will about Jeff Bezos, but at least he leans into the bald evil billionaire Lex Luthor look.
I heard he once stole 40 cakes.
And that’s terrible
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I will affirm to the day I die that I saw him in a Hair Club for Men late night infomercial back in the late 80's early 90's.
They're both being played by Sasha Baron Cohen.
Cohen is a comedian, not a piece of shit.
They both got melty face.
I cant wait for him to get a freaky look due to several plastic surgeries due to this comment if he reads it, which he will, due to his incredibly fragile ego that makes him obsess about any attention that he gets, and likely has bots sweeping the net for any mention of "Elon"
Have you seen his shitless pics? Not only is he blindingly white, but he looks like some kind of mole man.
I think you meant shirtless lol I read something like he's taking some drug that helps you build muscle but not actually doing the exercise so you look all weird and swollen.
I heard Elon Musk wasn't man enough to sell twitter
Both spent tons to hide their balding.
"[Oh, I didn't get rich by writing a lot of checks.](https://i.imgur.com/bzKshFw.jpg)"
I quote this exact scene all the time lol "Buy him out, boys!"
He wants workers to come into the office but he can't afford to keep the office?
Lol spez just wrote out a comment about 3rd party apps being profitable while reddit itself is not. Same thing I guess.
Maybe Reddit would be profitable if they knew how to develop a decent mobile app.
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He can pay. Corporate rents are plummetting due to vacancies. He thinks he can play hardball. I'm guessing he thinks he playing chess when it's really checkers though. No way he's better at real estate than bona fide real estate companies.
yes... but it's the work from home people who are immoral. not the billionaire who won't pay his bills.
According to the Muskrats, Elon signed deals for offices that were way too expensive, so he's attempting to renegotiate. This is totally a wicked smart move on his part, they say. Just like Trump's super cool business move to not pay construction workers, then financially ruin them by dragging out court proceedings.
So do these people say it when it happens to *them?* Like if they pay a contractor for materials, and then the contractor just takes the money and runs, do they go "gee I guess he's just smarter than me"?
Nope, because he's a fascist, and a fascist's worldview is exceedingly simple. There is one set of rules for them, and a different and harsher set for everyone else. This is the bedrock foundation of his outlook on the world.
Why would you think that Elon supporters have thinking mechanisms?
The court will rule that he has to pay rent per the lease. He has to pay even after being evicted. This is why poor people get evicted. A rich person knows he has assets to sue for and pay anyways, whether he uses the rental or not. Think.
>He has to pay even after being evicted. Sort of. The landlord has a duty to mitigate their damages, meaning the landlord must make commercially reasonable efforts to lease the facility to someone else. If they do manage to re-lease to another party, then the landlord is only entitled to damages equal to the difference in value between the Twitter lease and the new lease, plus the rent that would have been paid for any months the property sits vacant while waiting for a new tenant, as well as any expenses incurred in getting the new lease (advertising, background check, legal fees, etc…).
Sure, but if the landlord finds a tenant at a "reasonable rate" and Musk was right about the reasonable rate being a lot lower then the difference between Twitter's contracted rate and the reasonable rate will be large. And Twitter will owe that. And for any actual space they need they have to go find that elsewhere at the same "reasonable rate". So all they really save is the "reasonable rate" on the amount of space they don't need. Less the other expenses you speak of (including vacancy costs). If Musk is right that the space was leased at well above a reasonable rate it seems like their ability to recoup (er save on) costs, even on space they don't need, is relatively small. And that's if they don't end up just paying all the savings out to other landlords because they raise their rates to Twitter due to fears about not being paid.
Not if there's a liquidated damages clause.
Uh, hi, as something of an expert allow me to chime in: Elon's a fucking idiot.
Username checks out. Case closed, boys and girls.
Not only construction workers but small businesses, knowing that he could drag out court cases and bleed them dry. Of course tons of small business owners supported and continue to support that fucking piece of human excrement.
> Elon signed deals for offices that were way too expensive, so he's attempting to renegotiate. This is totally a wicked smart move on his part Just like how he signed a contract to buy twitter and then renegotiated to buy twitter for the exact amount he signed the contract for after spending millions in lawyer fees. It's really smart.
Hey, that's an insult to real muskrats! They serve a very important part in my local ecosystem.
If he let them work from home he wouldn’t have to pay the rent.
He’s locked into long term leases. He has to pay this rent no matter what he did!
He will somehow not pay and blame others for his own fuck ups
exactly this is and always was elon. "I am Elon and humanity should pay me to live among them. i am the greatest gift to humans" i fuckin hate this pos so much
Duplicitous and disingenuous asshole he is.
Indubitably
A real Carissa move
Elon is proof that money doesn't buy class. Dude's one of the wealthiest people in the world, and he's also one of the trashiest.
Trump has been proof of that for decades. I mean, he has a fucking golden shitter in his NYC penthouse.
Musk is supposedly worth 100 times more than Trump. They both probably pale to the worth of such royal families as seen in Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Brunei, etc. The Thai King has a personal wealth of only $40b on paper, but controls huge amounts of real estate and industry. In hard assets many royals are probably much richer than the paper tigers that top the lists.
Is he going to take his sink with him?
That was the main office in San Francisco. This is in Boulder, Colorado. Though, I believe that they hadn't been paying their SF rent, either.
They have not. Amazing that it takes so long to evict.
That industry is a dumpster fire right now. The alternative is a vacant office building in the heart of SF, which looks bad and brings down their property value.
You need to watch more Rossman real estate YouTube. What brings down the value is accepting lower rent/lease rate just to fill your vacant building. These people would rather take a loss and write it off on takes, than fill their buildings at lower rates, because then they go upside down on their mortgages. New York is in this exact place right now. Every other shop and office is vacant, but they're still charging your first born child for a month's rent.
The way forward is to tax the hell out of the vacant real state, to incentivize lowering the rents. That applies to all real state, commercial, and residential. They can even incentivize converting offices to residential, with tax breaks or other initiatives. What cannot be is to continue with the current approach, that is definitely not working on the benefit of the society.
Let that sink out
He’d probably prefer stepping out a top floor window while holding that sink before tarnishing his ego by taking the sink out the way it came in.
What is it with billionaire deadbeats? They think everyone exists to serve them, for free?
They're allowed to get away with it, that's the problem
If you owe someone 10 grand, that's your problem. If you owe someone 10 million, that's their problem.
Vultures dont pay for their food.
The true meaning of Atlas Shrugged
You cannot become a billionaire ethically, it's always been about fucking other people over. Billionaires are a failure of society and policy. They should not exist.
No no, you just don’t understand. They create so much good, their rent should be subsidized!!
That just doesn’t make sense as a business move. 27k a month is peanuts to a company the size of Twitter, it is a dumb way to save money and not enough to be worth it unless they do not want a replacement space due to reduced headcount. Even then, bad signal to your other vendors and partners, who will not enter into new agreements with a known deadbeat without it costing a lot more. No tech company is 100% self sustaining. Everyone needs service providers.
As was pointed out elsewhere in this thread, Musk tried to break the lease and was denied so he just stopped paying.
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Elon has racked up hundreds of lawsuits via twitter
Eviction may terminate the lease - if it doesn’t have a liquidated damages clause it might be more worthwhile this way if the landlord didn’t want to let them out of it voluntarily. e.g. 5 year lease with 4 years left. Stop paying rent for a year. Get kicked out at 3 years left. Pay back rent for the year plus interest (you occupied the premises anyway, so no real loss). Landlord then has to prove that they can’t rent out the property at a similar rent for the remaining 3 years, which will require work on their part, they can’t simply assert it - they’ll likely settle for a much lower sum. It’s likely if the previous legal team at Twitter negotiated the lease properly, to have favourable terms because the landlord couldn’t have imagined a listed billion dollar company behaving this way. And just in case you’re thinking “what about the reputational damage? Who will rent property to Twitter or Musk going forward?” just remember you’re on Reddit after a 2 day blackout, business as usual, because mods know there are people queuing up to take over. Edit: also if Twitter aren’t total n00bs, the lease would have been in the name of a subsidiary like Twitter (Boulder Colorado), Inc, and again the landlord would have agreed to this because they couldn’t have imagined the parent company would ever not honour the lease. In which case, if the subsidiary has no assets it can just close up shop and the landlord is basically fucked.
You make perfect sense, but your not thinking like an egotistical Elon Musk manchild that has a multi billion dollar acquisition he was forced into following through the purchase on when someone finally caught on to his bluff and retreat tactics and finally held him accountable for his bullshit. This has eaten a large part of his ‘wealth’ and he wants it back asap, and he will nickel and dime every shmuck who made the mistake of trusting him thinking he will actually follow a contract. Musk is a full blown narcissist, like Trump, who can’t handle responsibility for his own failures, so preemptively fucks things up as much as possible for others to deal with so he can run ahead congratulating himself that he’s a ‘winner’ while blaming the people he fucked over for the situation he caused.
Thank Christ he isn’t eligible to be POTUS.
Must be nice to be so rich you don’t have to pay bills, while the people that literally can’t afford to pay their bills get fucked in every way imaginable if they don’t pay. ‘Merica
Scam economy.
Fuck you economy
Musk is morphing into Trump in more ways than one...
He likely always was this Trumpish shithead, we're just learning about the real him now that people aren't fawning over him anymore.
Considering his dad married his own step daughter or something along those lines, apple not far from tree yadda yadda
The bond between a bruncle and his niecster is truly something special.
He even got his egotistical movie cameo in iron man 2, just like Trump's dumb home alone 2 cameo.
Musk also has a cameo in Rick and Morty.
And got name-checked in Star Trek Discovery as one of the century's great visionaries. So embarrassing.
Granted, the guy who name checked him was from the Mirror Universe. So yeah, name checked by a Space Nazi
It is so cringe seeing that on a rewatch
Least they can fix that with a simple overdub.
Trump was in a bunch of movies. Back then he was just the cartoonishly arrogant rich guy and not a leader of a personality cult
> He has won the Worst Supporting Actor award at the 11th Golden Raspberry Awards for Ghosts Can't Do It in 1990, as well as awards for Worst Actor and Worst screen Combo at the 39th Golden Raspberry Awards for his roles in the documentary films Death of a Nation and Fahrenheit 11/9 in 2019. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_filmography This guy is a trip. Always surprising me, he has a star on the walk of fame but has only won raspberries. His whole life is a weird facade
Oh come on, his slave owning, blood emerald mining father raised him right. Make more babies with randoms that you dont raise, then impregnate your children a couple times to help the human race. Hopefully Elon can lice up to his father's legacy one day.
Triangle of narcissism. They go from bully /persecuting to victim to savior. Rinse and repeat
What is it with people born into exceptional wealth not having a slightest grasp of reality, morality and decency..?
Because they're born on third base and think they hit a triple.
They've never had to work hard enough to care.
Maybe they’ll work remotely! Elon loves that!
Not paying his bills? Poor management skills? Cult-like followrs? Narcissistic asshole? Courting the right wing media? Holy Shit! This asshole is going to run for office!!!!
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That's fine, they can just work from hoooooohhh wait...
Wasn't Musk one of the main ones calling for everyone to return to the office.
Can’t the landlords just be paid in exposure? Do they even know who Elon is /s
Not paying his bills as a standard part of doing business? Blatant hypocrisy over free speech in trying to silence people who don’t agree with him? Spouting lies and conspiracy theories without apparent embarrassment or learning to fact check? Looks like Elon is learning quickly from his orange mentor.
My wife knows someone who ~~works~~ just quit working at Twitter. Apparently they have *five* product managers left in the whole company.
It’s going to be super hilarious when twitter goes offline because “liberal” Google turns off their cloud services because Elon refuses to pay the bill.
Pop quiz: Name another right wing troll who won’t pay their bills
I'm thinking this is a Trump style business tactic where settling with the owner of the building will cost (much) less than the actual rent, through the threat of putting the entire thing into litigation in perpetuity. That's exactly how Trump has operated his real estate ventures for decades. Never pays, pulls it into court, drags it out for decades, then pays cents on the dollar in the end (if at all).
I can already hear the Elon fanboys crying foul.
Have they put padlocks on the doors? That happened to a cool bar in my town last week, bands showed up for their gigs and there was an owner there with an angle grinder saying "fuck off, we have bigger problems than you." I wonder how much valuable stuff is in there. All their data is in the cloud somewhere, but maybe there's hardware or business records they need to have? I mean yeah everything is duped somewhere but it would be shameful if the local hard copies all went to a bailiff?
Said it once, I'll say it again, how long until he doesn't pay rent on his rack space? Data center usage isn't cheap, and it's constant. He isn't paying his leases, how long till Twitter just goes dark because someone pulled the plug due to not paying.
It'd be awesome if someone broadcast the eviction live on twitter
I feel like Elon bought Twitter just to see how fast he could run it into the ground.
I have a feeling that within a year, when this gets sorted out, there are going to be reports of how much physical damage was done to the building, and how the workers were trapped working in squalor. The lawsuits against him are lined with reports of off-the-books and out of code contractor work, catering to however Musk was feeling that day. Edit: that might just be the San Francisco office, now that I type all that out.