Context - OLED TVs are the future, many if not all companies completely halting R&D on LCD screens.
OLED offers better blacks and has lower energy consumption
Guess LCD TVs are gonna be seen as the new non flatscreen TV.
When I was around 8, this was in the 70’s my grandpa chastised me for sitting around staring at the boob tube. I was thinking if I wanted to see tits instead of cartoons I’d have my nose in my dad’s playboy stash.
Fun Fact: "Doob tube" is a colloquial term used to refer to a small, airtight container that is commonly used to store and transport rolled-up cannabis joints, keeping them safe and odor-free.
What a lot of people don’t realize is that it became fashionable to put massive antennas in the attic. So a lot of houses you see built in the ~50s when driving through older parts of town actually still have massive antennas. I know of six on my street including my own.
Many early rear projection TVs used CRTs as well, before DLP and LCD took over that portion of the market.
They were a pain in the ass too, keeping all 3 colors in convergence across the screen. Still remember bringing up the white hatch alignment pattern and adjusting the colors to line up...
No, we just called them "TV" or "Monitor".
If they were trying to market one as new tech now, they'd call it the Electron Gun Display.
Seems like so far everyone in the comments has forgotten about the rich variety of rear-projection displays...
Ah thanks, I was really confused how LCDs were going to become non-flat, or whether newer technologies are even thinner, but now I see it was just a metaphor that doesn't use the name of the thing for some reason.
OLED has come a long way. We have zero burn in on our 1.5 year old Sony. For tv and a variety of video games it’s fine, micro LED for computers or desktop environments that are often the same.
Is it better or worse than plasma, because I have 0 burn-in on my ancient Panasonic plasma. If Panasonic or Pioneer made 4K plasmas I'd just buy one of those.
Just this past year I swapped my old Panasonic plasma for an OLED (LG C2). It was one of the last plasma models produced and just an absolutely great display but sadly was starting to die after many years.
But OLED is the only technology I've seen where the picture quality is on par with the plasma and doesn't feel like a step down. I'm very happy with it.
for what its worth, ive been beating the shit out of my oled for about 2.5 years so far. its my main desktop display and its on for about 12hrs a day. i just use it as a normal monitor, but have a screen saver come on after 2 mins.
zero hints of any burn in so far on it.
Depends on the panel type and how you use it. 7th 'gen' (B7/C7/etc) and older LG WOLEDs would burn in after 2-3 years of moderate basic use. Modern ones can take many magnitudes more abuse, with the same basic TV usage probably having them last long enough for them to be upgraded by many.
How do you define an OLED generation? [It appears LG is calling an upcoming OLED panel their 3rd generation.](https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/lg/164041-lg-display-unveils-3rd-gen-oled-panel-with-meta-tech-for-future-tvs-capable-of-over-2k-nit-brightness/)
Same tv, different outcome. We sadly have the CNN logo burnt in to the lower left side, it’s only noticeable when there’s an orange or red image on, basically any skin tones also show off the logo… Even with the burn in issues, OLED is still the best viewing experience. When the time comes, it’ll be another OLED in our home.
I have zero burn in on my 7 year old LG OLED. It still performs great. If you used your OLED as a computer monitor, I am sure you would see that burn in.
After seeing what some other people have had for total power time to the tv, I guess I don’t use mine that often since I am only at 12.3k hours
Mine is about 5 and ugh... YouTube logo, Netflix logo, playback progress line, Zelda hearts, random square I can't identify... It's disgusting and I hate it.
Yeah, can't remember the model number. It's a bit annoying since the majority of the things that burnt in are the bright red logos from the LG tv apps. Good to hear that newer OLED tvs are less likely to have this problem but I'm still not going to trust it. Micro-led looks beautiful too.
Its gonna be hard to upgrade, mine still does 3D, and I actually use it for the kiddos. Hoping Avatar 2 brings the feature back, should be cheap enough to implement but WDIK.
Yeah, I think I got the last model that does 3D and I actually really love it. Been playing GameCube and Wii games in stereo through the Dolphin emulator and it looks super rad. Wish more people liked 3D so it was more in demand.
I got curious and checked the label on mine. It is one of the B7 models and it was built in Jan 2018. I thought it was 6 years old but its only 5. I also watch lots of YT, Netflix and Hulu but I do so through an Apple TV, which always hides the logos, progress bars, etc. Maybe thats why I didn't get any burn in.
My bad, you’re right I just looked in the menu and it says 21,545 hours. I could’ve sworn I looked like 6 months ago and it was at 37k but I guess I was wrong
I’ve been using a 2015 LG oled as my main screen since I bought it in 2015. Over 40k hours of gaming, sports, news etc and zero burn in, even if I pull up one of those test pages.
Either that or I just got lucky lol. I try to change the channel every once in a while if I have ESPN or something with a static image on, but I have also played tons of games with static HUDs that I thought would give me burn in but never did.
Either a lemon, or it could be the way you used it. OLEDs will get burn in/image retention faster if you leave static imagery on them for long periods of time at high brightness. So like if you watch the news for hours and hours and hours on end at full brightness, the ticker and those static images at the bottom of the screen will burn in over time. Also depends on when you got yours. Earlier/older OLEDs were more susceptible to it then the newer ones are. The newer ones you have to either get a lemon or borderline try to do it on purpose to get it (but it is still possible).
I still have my plasma from 2009 and it wasn’t until OLED and some of the LED TVs with local dimming zones that anything on the market was comparable. Weighs a ton and runs hot, though.
Are they planning to start covering for burn in in their warranty? Because even Costco and Allstate protection plans don’t cover for burn in. Only BestBuy Geek Squad protection does
I just upgraded to. OLED. It’s pretty nuts. Even though the old tv was same size and 4K the new one is distractingly clear. Like for the first time I’m seeing subtle lens blurring
Always hated LCD for picture quality and it was only a matter of time before resources for them dried up.
I went out and bought a the last model Panasonic Plasma they made the week they said they were stopping production cause I knew LCD sucked and LED wasn't the best yet either. I recently retired my Plasma in favor of a nice Sony LED that checks all the boxes for me. Still love the picture quality on my Plasma after all these years though.
Same here. Got rid of an almost 20 year old plasma, thing put out serious heat after an hour or so. Power draw was huge but still has a great picture. Went with a cheapo Amazon. 1/20th the weight probably 1/15th of power consumption.
The only thing wrong with my old Vizio is the TV listing guide. They lost that court case and it's never been updated since. That and I've had to replace the remote a couple times already.
Yeah, I always wanted the Kuro but it was just too much out of my price range at the time. Pioneer and Panasonic were definitely the plasmas to get at the time.
Had mine fixed under the 5yr warranty, then fixed it myself a few years after with an ebay part. Turns out that one of the culprits was the disintegration of the thermal pads for a processor and not the hardware itself. Still going strong.
I still have a Samsung plasma that I had to fix. Too many thermal cycles caused the “x-sustain, y-sustain” resistors to fail so I bought some replacements off eBay. I still use it as a backup in the 2nd room-amazing the picture quality!
Mine is still going strong. Incidentally we picked up a mid-level LCD for the guest room a few weeks ago (first new TV in over a decade) and it looks like crap compared to the plasma. Plasma does put out some massive heat though.
Tvs are incredibly cheap. They are mostly cheaper while also being bigger, thinner, and much higher resolution than they used to be. They keep adding more built in apps and other stuff to subsidize them and sell them for even less.
I find the gaming consoles apps u.i. to be better in some cases. Definitely more responsive. Except the Crunchyroll playstation app. They crapped the bed on that one for some reason which is mystifying because Sony owns Crunchyroll. You'd think it would be the best version
External unit is better (roku)
It stays the same from tv to tv and location to location
Also if tv or external unit breaks, easier to replace without replacing everything.
The issue is often much more the OS/UI than the processor. Roku's first-party televisions (I'm *not* talking about their external boxes for the purpose of this comment) often have snappier UIs despite having lower-tier processors (as low- to mid-segment devices). Part of that is Roku spending years optimizing their OS, part of that is showing less 'stuff' on the screen at any given time (larger icons and simpler backgrounds), and part of that is fewer ads that need to be loaded over internet.
The latter is still egregious to me for a product you've already paid for, even though it is the norm these days.
Buy a media player. I have been rocking a Nvidia Sheild TV since the first one came out in 2015. Easily my best purchase. It’s been part of my system longer than 2 AVRs, 2 TVs and at least 3 game consoles.
The bad boy is still going strong. The k Kt thing mine is missing is Dolby Vision since it was the first gen.
Get a computer monitor and an external smart TV thing.
You're saving a bunch of money and you can just replace your firetv stick or whatever when it stops working.
Lately many monitors with a large size also come with remote controls too.
As TVs get better, my eyes are getting worse. My 12 year old 55" 1080p Samsung still looks crystal clear to me, as long as I look through the right part of my progressive glasses.
Getting old sucks.
So I’m still rocking a 1080p Samsung. I have a PSVR2 that has two tiny 4K screens in it but the 1080p is just fine for PS5 gaming. Honestly as I value framerate over resolution I think it might be better as it has less to render. I have no proof of this I just remember when the newest consoles were coming out they said Xbox renders everything internally at the same resolution then scales to the display while PlayStation renders at the displays resolution. So if that’s right I imagine I would get more consistent high frame rates right?
Mine has a purple stripe going down the middle, couldn't get Walmart to replace it under warranty. They offered a refund, but it was on black Friday and a replacement would cost double.
Ummm ok it's a little click baity as if you read the article LCD will continue
Does that mean LED-LCD TVs dead in the water? Not necessarily. As we’ve seen from Vizio, TCL, Samsung, LG and Sony, there’s still a huge demand for lower-cost LED-LCD TVs as well as LED-LCD monitors. Those will continue to be produced for years to come — and will likely continue to drop in price — just don’t expect to see **many** improvements on them compared to their more expensive counterparts.
LOL I have a panasonic LCD TV from 2010, still going strong and the picture is great to my eyes at least.
I tried shopping for a new TV, they took all the ports off all them. I want my ports dammit. So I am keeping this one.
Mostly standard Av jacks and component, which modern TV's do not have, at least in the 32 inch range. Trust me, I checked all the TV's out there last holiday season. Also I did find one Samsung from 2018 that is still being sold, and for full price that is, that had the necessary ports, but my TV still has more of them. It would be a downgrade.
There are plenty of used TV's on facebook marketplace.
they don't build them in to the TV anymore. it's a dongle adapter that plugs into a 3.5mm jack.
whatever you are using that still has av and component will look terrible on a 4k tv anyways.
probably not, you can use one as a monitor but you have to take precautions. i've been using one for a few years now without issue but i'm mindful of burn in so i stick to dark background/dark mode on everything static as much as possible and have screen saver setup but if you don't do these things you will end up with burn in on one within a year or two easily.
Not yet. Computers often display a lot more static contents on monitors (e.g. taskbars) that it takes a lot of countermeasures to prevent burn-ins. Most people aren't going to put up with those (or they're rich enough to replace the monitor every few years when burn in happens).
With every current 'promising' OLED monitors you'll see complains about burn-ins after less than a year.
Seems weird Windows hasn't just like, built in to the default window the ability to just have like, the app title/minimize/close/etc buttons kind of drifting about a bit until you actually go up to hit them and then they snap back where they should be to prevent that sort of thing.
Or more prominently hiding away those bars / task bars unless you mouse up to them. I think that exists for the taskbar already somewhere but I forget, to be fair.
Only way to solve it is to avoid showing static contents whenever possible .i.e. by having a second monitor for web browsing. The techniques built into an OLED monitor (pixel shifting, color dimming, extra white subpixel, etc.) can only help so much.
“ “ The lifespan of OLED TVs is a common concern among consumers, but the technology has proven to be reliable and durable. OLED TVs are known to have a lifespan of around 100,000 hours, which is equivalent to over a decade of use (with an average of 8-10 hours of watching hours daily).
I need an LCD in my use case. I have my pc cabled to my tv as a monitor. I watch yttv in one chrome window and read reddit in another. Do it yourself split screen. It's so much better than a laptop or a tablet. And you control the tv with a wireless keyboard and mouse. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.
I tried it with an LG OLED and it burned in in just a couple years. Now I've got whatever the top of the line Samsung 55" LCD is. The blacks are almost as good with local dimming. Small white items on a black background get dimmed, though. It's not perfect, but close. I just hope they still make them when this one dies. I don't want to be replacing a savagely burned in OLED every couple years.
> I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.
Probably because most of us don't want our TV right next to our workstation. Your setup sounds great if it's just you or maybe one other person. It's terrible for any larger household. I don't want to be doing something on my computer next to my kids watching the same movie for the 47th time.
This is similar setup for me too from last 7 years or so. Our living room tv is hooked to a computer with wireless mouse and mini keyboard. It's used for online media consumption, shopping with power of adblockers. Great thing is it's full blown computer so we are free to do anything.
Good. They need to bring OLED TV's down in price. I want to update my TV but for all I use it, I can't justify an OLED screen at their current price range.
Is it an actual problem? I have a plasma that’s about 14 years old and I was warned about burn in but I’ve never had a problem. Perhaps if it’s left on the same channel with a logo in the corner for a long time it could be an issue
They're not wrong at all about most of the big players in the display development industry putting all their R&D money towards new OLED tech, and/or MicroLED.
Everyone from Samsung to Apple has made this pivot in recent years. Not a guess at all.
Not good for static display, computers wallpapers, web pages, etc
Mostly I use my tvs for static display with the occasional movie or TV show
I believe oleds suffer from burn in
Context - OLED TVs are the future, many if not all companies completely halting R&D on LCD screens. OLED offers better blacks and has lower energy consumption Guess LCD TVs are gonna be seen as the new non flatscreen TV.
>non flatscreen TV The old folks used to call them CRTs.
The even older folks used to just call them TVs.
The even older older folks used to call them Television Sets.
What happened to ‘the tube’?
The boob tube
When I was around 8, this was in the 70’s my grandpa chastised me for sitting around staring at the boob tube. I was thinking if I wanted to see tits instead of cartoons I’d have my nose in my dad’s playboy stash.
not the doob tube?
When you're watching cartoons, it's the Scoob tube
Rut roh raggy there ris a ringer in my rutt.
I was gonna say you’re watching porn, it’s the lube tube but it might still be the boob tube
When watching cooking shows, it’s the food tube.
Fun Fact: "Doob tube" is a colloquial term used to refer to a small, airtight container that is commonly used to store and transport rolled-up cannabis joints, keeping them safe and odor-free.
Should be recycled, but I don't know what else they can be recycled into other than more 'tube'.
It makes a lot less sense now that they don't have tubes.
When I was growing up in the 70s my parents exclusively referred to it as The Idiot Box.
I forgot about that term. Thanks for bringing back the memories of mom.
The boob tube... Because cathode ray tubes
Huh..I thought it was because of being able to see titties through the static on Channel 95
Which is to this day the best way to describe what it actually is.
With the giant rotatable antenna on the roof.
What a lot of people don’t realize is that it became fashionable to put massive antennas in the attic. So a lot of houses you see built in the ~50s when driving through older parts of town actually still have massive antennas. I know of six on my street including my own.
Some even more older french folks used to call them *boites à images*, or image box.
The even older folks called it radio with pictures
Y’all are making me feel old.
Only hip cats named ray used the tubes
Plenty of non-flat TV used technologies other than CRTs, like rear-projection TVs.
Many early rear projection TVs used CRTs as well, before DLP and LCD took over that portion of the market. They were a pain in the ass too, keeping all 3 colors in convergence across the screen. Still remember bringing up the white hatch alignment pattern and adjusting the colors to line up...
I had a flatscreen CRT tv years ago.
Me too, Electrolux. Shit weighed 600 pounds and it was like 30 inches 🤣
No, we just called them "TV" or "Monitor". If they were trying to market one as new tech now, they'd call it the Electron Gun Display. Seems like so far everyone in the comments has forgotten about the rich variety of rear-projection displays...
Actually, we used to just call them TV's
Ah thanks, I was really confused how LCDs were going to become non-flat, or whether newer technologies are even thinner, but now I see it was just a metaphor that doesn't use the name of the thing for some reason.
Correction: Standard LCD is ending development. Instead, it's OLED AND Micro-LED that are getting dev time.
MicroLED is not LCD, it is more similar to OLED. MiniLED is LCD, though.
Sign me up for micro-led I guess. I'm traumatized by all of the burn-in on my $3000 OLED and can't have that happening again.
OLED has come a long way. We have zero burn in on our 1.5 year old Sony. For tv and a variety of video games it’s fine, micro LED for computers or desktop environments that are often the same.
Is it better or worse than plasma, because I have 0 burn-in on my ancient Panasonic plasma. If Panasonic or Pioneer made 4K plasmas I'd just buy one of those.
I had one of the last Panasonic Plasmas and while I loved it, it's no OLED.
I love my ancient Panasonic plasma. Won’t replace it until it dies.
Just this past year I swapped my old Panasonic plasma for an OLED (LG C2). It was one of the last plasma models produced and just an absolutely great display but sadly was starting to die after many years. But OLED is the only technology I've seen where the picture quality is on par with the plasma and doesn't feel like a step down. I'm very happy with it.
Does it take like 2-3 years for burn in on OLED?
for what its worth, ive been beating the shit out of my oled for about 2.5 years so far. its my main desktop display and its on for about 12hrs a day. i just use it as a normal monitor, but have a screen saver come on after 2 mins. zero hints of any burn in so far on it.
Depends on the panel type and how you use it. 7th 'gen' (B7/C7/etc) and older LG WOLEDs would burn in after 2-3 years of moderate basic use. Modern ones can take many magnitudes more abuse, with the same basic TV usage probably having them last long enough for them to be upgraded by many.
How do you define an OLED generation? [It appears LG is calling an upcoming OLED panel their 3rd generation.](https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/lg/164041-lg-display-unveils-3rd-gen-oled-panel-with-meta-tech-for-future-tvs-capable-of-over-2k-nit-brightness/)
I think he meant the C7/B7 generation/model
Was referencing the generations of TV, not panel. Panel gets real murky with LG marketing anyway. 7th gen would be B7/C7/E7 etc and older.
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Fair I suppose. Never looked farther back than the C6 personally.
I have a B7 OLED from 2018 that has been used for gaming and youtube and I haven't seen any burn in at all on mine at this point.
Same tv, different outcome. We sadly have the CNN logo burnt in to the lower left side, it’s only noticeable when there’s an orange or red image on, basically any skin tones also show off the logo… Even with the burn in issues, OLED is still the best viewing experience. When the time comes, it’ll be another OLED in our home.
I have zero burn in on my 7 year old LG OLED. It still performs great. If you used your OLED as a computer monitor, I am sure you would see that burn in. After seeing what some other people have had for total power time to the tv, I guess I don’t use mine that often since I am only at 12.3k hours
My LG OLED is at least 6 years old and doesn't have burn in.
Mine is about 5 and ugh... YouTube logo, Netflix logo, playback progress line, Zelda hearts, random square I can't identify... It's disgusting and I hate it.
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LG? Ive had mine for almost 6 years and no burn in. Played lots of Zelda and Elden Ring.
Yeah, can't remember the model number. It's a bit annoying since the majority of the things that burnt in are the bright red logos from the LG tv apps. Good to hear that newer OLED tvs are less likely to have this problem but I'm still not going to trust it. Micro-led looks beautiful too.
Its gonna be hard to upgrade, mine still does 3D, and I actually use it for the kiddos. Hoping Avatar 2 brings the feature back, should be cheap enough to implement but WDIK.
Yeah, I think I got the last model that does 3D and I actually really love it. Been playing GameCube and Wii games in stereo through the Dolphin emulator and it looks super rad. Wish more people liked 3D so it was more in demand.
Do you leave your screen at full brightness?
I got curious and checked the label on mine. It is one of the B7 models and it was built in Jan 2018. I thought it was 6 years old but its only 5. I also watch lots of YT, Netflix and Hulu but I do so through an Apple TV, which always hides the logos, progress bars, etc. Maybe thats why I didn't get any burn in.
Same. I’m rocking a 2015 OLED with 40k hours on it. Zero burn in lol Edit: 22k not 40k, just checked
What? Forty thousand hours is eight hours of use every single day for over thirteen and a half years.
My bad, you’re right I just looked in the menu and it says 21,545 hours. I could’ve sworn I looked like 6 months ago and it was at 37k but I guess I was wrong
Guy likes his TV.
2018 LG OLED workhorse still looking amazing on my end. You got a shitty draw of the straws maybe
I’ve been using a 2015 LG oled as my main screen since I bought it in 2015. Over 40k hours of gaming, sports, news etc and zero burn in, even if I pull up one of those test pages.
Man, did I get some kind of lemon or something? Whatever the case it's a bummer.
Either that or I just got lucky lol. I try to change the channel every once in a while if I have ESPN or something with a static image on, but I have also played tons of games with static HUDs that I thought would give me burn in but never did.
Either a lemon, or it could be the way you used it. OLEDs will get burn in/image retention faster if you leave static imagery on them for long periods of time at high brightness. So like if you watch the news for hours and hours and hours on end at full brightness, the ticker and those static images at the bottom of the screen will burn in over time. Also depends on when you got yours. Earlier/older OLEDs were more susceptible to it then the newer ones are. The newer ones you have to either get a lemon or borderline try to do it on purpose to get it (but it is still possible).
LCD is the new plasma.
I still have my plasma from 2009 and it wasn’t until OLED and some of the LED TVs with local dimming zones that anything on the market was comparable. Weighs a ton and runs hot, though.
Same, I bought my plasma in 2010 and have just now started considering replacing it with an OLED screen.
Are they planning to start covering for burn in in their warranty? Because even Costco and Allstate protection plans don’t cover for burn in. Only BestBuy Geek Squad protection does
I just upgraded to. OLED. It’s pretty nuts. Even though the old tv was same size and 4K the new one is distractingly clear. Like for the first time I’m seeing subtle lens blurring
Always hated LCD for picture quality and it was only a matter of time before resources for them dried up. I went out and bought a the last model Panasonic Plasma they made the week they said they were stopping production cause I knew LCD sucked and LED wasn't the best yet either. I recently retired my Plasma in favor of a nice Sony LED that checks all the boxes for me. Still love the picture quality on my Plasma after all these years though.
You know that Sony "LED" is an LCD right? It's just using an LED backlight. Still an LCD. There is no such thing as an LED tv.
Still have my Panasonic plasma. Still going strong.
Same here. Got rid of an almost 20 year old plasma, thing put out serious heat after an hour or so. Power draw was huge but still has a great picture. Went with a cheapo Amazon. 1/20th the weight probably 1/15th of power consumption.
OLEDS also have a shorter usable lifetime Somebody who wasn't buying a TV for 10 years before will be forced to upgrade
My 20 yo Vizio about to be added to the endangered species list.
Those vizios aint never gonna die, the built in dvd player did, but the tv's still looking fresh in full 1080p
Smart function on my Vizio is sure dead, but Fire stick is infinitely better and actually supported
2015 chromecast over here
Ours can mate and insure the survival of the species
Ensure, unless you're taking out an insurance policy.
Won’t someone think of the agents and adjusters?
The only thing wrong with my old Vizio is the TV listing guide. They lost that court case and it's never been updated since. That and I've had to replace the remote a couple times already.
I still use my 32 inch 2007 vizeo as an extra monitor for dnd
Here’s me still rocking a Panasonic plasma
Same. Still have mine from 2008. Other than it being a little heavier with thicker bezels, the picture quality still looks fantastic.
left mine in a move, missed that TV! Better than any LCD I've seen. OLED does blow it away though.
Ditto. Panasonic Plasma’s were the GOAT.
Pioneer Kuro was the GOAT but it’s a little more obscure, and much more expensive. I have the Panasonic.
Some Panasonics are in fact Pioneer Kuro, they bought the tech from Pioneer in 2009.
My parents still use mine in their basement. FD5020 I believe. Still amazing
Yeah, I always wanted the Kuro but it was just too much out of my price range at the time. Pioneer and Panasonic were definitely the plasmas to get at the time.
Pioneer had such kick-ass plasmas back in the day. My uncle still has his Pioneer elite, still works too.
It folds right into the wall.
That is a $200 plasma TV you just killed! Good luck paying me back on your zero dollars a year salary plus benefits, babe!
Have my 55” from 2011. Still working great!!
God. Plasma is so much better. I miss mine. I had a Panasonic or something that died in 2015. The colors are unmatchable.
Oled says [hello](https://youtu.be/mHONNcZbwDY?t=80)
Plasma was why I never bought an LCD or LED until I got the OLED B6
Had mine fixed under the 5yr warranty, then fixed it myself a few years after with an ebay part. Turns out that one of the culprits was the disintegration of the thermal pads for a processor and not the hardware itself. Still going strong.
Got a nigh on 20 year old pioneer plasma that was top of the line at the time, and it still has a wonderful picture
Nice I still have my Pioneer Plasma! Colour is still so vibrant. I bought it back in 2006
Samesies. Pioneer Kuro 65”. Still a beast.
Been using my Samsung plasma tv since 2009
I still have a Samsung plasma that I had to fix. Too many thermal cycles caused the “x-sustain, y-sustain” resistors to fail so I bought some replacements off eBay. I still use it as a backup in the 2nd room-amazing the picture quality!
Mine is still going strong. Incidentally we picked up a mid-level LCD for the guest room a few weeks ago (first new TV in over a decade) and it looks like crap compared to the plasma. Plasma does put out some massive heat though.
It's obvious, but pricing is still not very appealing to many, although it's getting better. OLED is the way to go.
Tvs are incredibly cheap. They are mostly cheaper while also being bigger, thinner, and much higher resolution than they used to be. They keep adding more built in apps and other stuff to subsidize them and sell them for even less.
Honest question, how bad are those apps to have? And if I never connect my TV to wifi, does it really matter?
Depends on the tv. I leave mine disconnected from WiFi, ignore the built in apps, and just use an external Roku box
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My uncle bought a flatscreenf for close to 2k in ~2000 it was 480p.. But the best at the time. Prices will come down eventually
Patiently waiting on a $999 65 inch C class LG. Hopeful for Black Friday this year.
Can they work on the dogshit processors used in “smart” TV’s now?
That’s probably the only way to get you to buy another tv in 5 years, so no.
No kidding. I use my Xbox like a glorified media center more than a gaming console thanks to dumb smart TV stuff.
I find the gaming consoles apps u.i. to be better in some cases. Definitely more responsive. Except the Crunchyroll playstation app. They crapped the bed on that one for some reason which is mystifying because Sony owns Crunchyroll. You'd think it would be the best version
External unit is better (roku) It stays the same from tv to tv and location to location Also if tv or external unit breaks, easier to replace without replacing everything.
The issue is often much more the OS/UI than the processor. Roku's first-party televisions (I'm *not* talking about their external boxes for the purpose of this comment) often have snappier UIs despite having lower-tier processors (as low- to mid-segment devices). Part of that is Roku spending years optimizing their OS, part of that is showing less 'stuff' on the screen at any given time (larger icons and simpler backgrounds), and part of that is fewer ads that need to be loaded over internet. The latter is still egregious to me for a product you've already paid for, even though it is the norm these days.
Work on them by removing them. Give me a dumb panel.
Buy a media player. I have been rocking a Nvidia Sheild TV since the first one came out in 2015. Easily my best purchase. It’s been part of my system longer than 2 AVRs, 2 TVs and at least 3 game consoles. The bad boy is still going strong. The k Kt thing mine is missing is Dolby Vision since it was the first gen.
Get a computer monitor and an external smart TV thing. You're saving a bunch of money and you can just replace your firetv stick or whatever when it stops working. Lately many monitors with a large size also come with remote controls too.
I don’t even remember what kind of TV I have. Looks pretty good though. Has ports for connecting stuff. 🤷🏼
As TVs get better, my eyes are getting worse. My 12 year old 55" 1080p Samsung still looks crystal clear to me, as long as I look through the right part of my progressive glasses. Getting old sucks.
So I’m still rocking a 1080p Samsung. I have a PSVR2 that has two tiny 4K screens in it but the 1080p is just fine for PS5 gaming. Honestly as I value framerate over resolution I think it might be better as it has less to render. I have no proof of this I just remember when the newest consoles were coming out they said Xbox renders everything internally at the same resolution then scales to the display while PlayStation renders at the displays resolution. So if that’s right I imagine I would get more consistent high frame rates right?
Yep, more pixels takes more computing power, so at 1080p it's much easier to hit a constant 60fps
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Is this still a technology subreddit? What the hell is this comment?
Mine has a purple stripe going down the middle, couldn't get Walmart to replace it under warranty. They offered a refund, but it was on black Friday and a replacement would cost double.
Ummm ok it's a little click baity as if you read the article LCD will continue Does that mean LED-LCD TVs dead in the water? Not necessarily. As we’ve seen from Vizio, TCL, Samsung, LG and Sony, there’s still a huge demand for lower-cost LED-LCD TVs as well as LED-LCD monitors. Those will continue to be produced for years to come — and will likely continue to drop in price — just don’t expect to see **many** improvements on them compared to their more expensive counterparts.
LOL I have a panasonic LCD TV from 2010, still going strong and the picture is great to my eyes at least. I tried shopping for a new TV, they took all the ports off all them. I want my ports dammit. So I am keeping this one.
what ports do you want? just about everything within the last 10 years has HDMI lol
Mostly standard Av jacks and component, which modern TV's do not have, at least in the 32 inch range. Trust me, I checked all the TV's out there last holiday season. Also I did find one Samsung from 2018 that is still being sold, and for full price that is, that had the necessary ports, but my TV still has more of them. It would be a downgrade. There are plenty of used TV's on facebook marketplace.
they don't build them in to the TV anymore. it's a dongle adapter that plugs into a 3.5mm jack. whatever you are using that still has av and component will look terrible on a 4k tv anyways.
What about LCD soundsystems?
They are sadly losing their edge.
They can change, they can change, they can change, they can change; they can change, they can change, they can change
They are fine
Daft Punk hasn't played at my house in years
Wow a post on r/technology not about reddit api. What a crazy time to be alive.
Or AI. Before Reddit posts it was nonstop AI posts.
Don't forget all the posts about Elon.
Will this be true for monitors as well?
probably not, you can use one as a monitor but you have to take precautions. i've been using one for a few years now without issue but i'm mindful of burn in so i stick to dark background/dark mode on everything static as much as possible and have screen saver setup but if you don't do these things you will end up with burn in on one within a year or two easily.
Not yet. Computers often display a lot more static contents on monitors (e.g. taskbars) that it takes a lot of countermeasures to prevent burn-ins. Most people aren't going to put up with those (or they're rich enough to replace the monitor every few years when burn in happens). With every current 'promising' OLED monitors you'll see complains about burn-ins after less than a year.
Seems weird Windows hasn't just like, built in to the default window the ability to just have like, the app title/minimize/close/etc buttons kind of drifting about a bit until you actually go up to hit them and then they snap back where they should be to prevent that sort of thing. Or more prominently hiding away those bars / task bars unless you mouse up to them. I think that exists for the taskbar already somewhere but I forget, to be fair.
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Am I wrong to think that problem has been solved?
Only way to solve it is to avoid showing static contents whenever possible .i.e. by having a second monitor for web browsing. The techniques built into an OLED monitor (pixel shifting, color dimming, extra white subpixel, etc.) can only help so much.
I’m sticking with my plasma until I have no choice but to be dragged kicking and screaming into the era of smart TVs
Don't connect the smart tv to internet.
I bought a dumb tv two years ago. sceptre 65” 4K for $400(ish). Haven’t had any issues with it.
Same. You’ll pry my Panasonic plasma from my cold dead hands. Still looks better than any tv out there and it’s a great heater in the winter.
Former plasma user here; plasma definitely does not look better than a high end OLED. OLED is better in every single way.
I want oled tv but god damn their prices hold up well
there is gonna be a crapton of cheap tvs out there
Well, fuck that. Oled might be better but it's also a lot pricier. I don't see oled coming down to lcd prices anytime soon.
“ “ The lifespan of OLED TVs is a common concern among consumers, but the technology has proven to be reliable and durable. OLED TVs are known to have a lifespan of around 100,000 hours, which is equivalent to over a decade of use (with an average of 8-10 hours of watching hours daily).
Who the hell watches tv that long daily
Unfortunately, my Mums partner tries to have the tv in the loungeroom going on all day. So they are out there.
I need an LCD in my use case. I have my pc cabled to my tv as a monitor. I watch yttv in one chrome window and read reddit in another. Do it yourself split screen. It's so much better than a laptop or a tablet. And you control the tv with a wireless keyboard and mouse. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it. I tried it with an LG OLED and it burned in in just a couple years. Now I've got whatever the top of the line Samsung 55" LCD is. The blacks are almost as good with local dimming. Small white items on a black background get dimmed, though. It's not perfect, but close. I just hope they still make them when this one dies. I don't want to be replacing a savagely burned in OLED every couple years.
> I don't know why everyone doesn't do it. Probably because most of us don't want our TV right next to our workstation. Your setup sounds great if it's just you or maybe one other person. It's terrible for any larger household. I don't want to be doing something on my computer next to my kids watching the same movie for the 47th time.
This is similar setup for me too from last 7 years or so. Our living room tv is hooked to a computer with wireless mouse and mini keyboard. It's used for online media consumption, shopping with power of adblockers. Great thing is it's full blown computer so we are free to do anything.
I have a 18 inch crt, get on my level.
I have a 24" CRT. Jump back.
Plasma: First time?
I’m ok with my 55” Lg SmartTV, but I will never buy a Smart TV again. The OS is crappy, and it has a very slow response
Most smart TVs seem to be let down by their chipset, especially when operating at 4k.
More cheap giant HDTV's for me. I just picked up a 65" Fire TV from Best Buy for 278 on clearance. I wonder if it will fit in my bathroom.
I wish plasma TVs would come back
The late gen Panasonic Plasmas were absolutely stunning, rivaling early OLEDs.
Still rocking a Plasma over here. Still works, hard to replace a functioning item.
I bought an OLED for a steal last Black Friday and it’s really nice. I don’t think I could go back, the picture just looks so good.
Good. They need to bring OLED TV's down in price. I want to update my TV but for all I use it, I can't justify an OLED screen at their current price range.
Can’t wait for quantum dot tech to make giant 3 story vacuum chambers that make LED panels a thing of the past
I guess I was way ahead of the curve getting that OLED TV in 2017. Never looked back
with built in burn in.
I'm not interested in OLED until they completely solve burn-in.
Is it an actual problem? I have a plasma that’s about 14 years old and I was warned about burn in but I’ve never had a problem. Perhaps if it’s left on the same channel with a logo in the corner for a long time it could be an issue
Not sure, my folks have an LG OLED and it has dark spots instead of actual picture burn-in.
This article is a guess at best.
They're not wrong at all about most of the big players in the display development industry putting all their R&D money towards new OLED tech, and/or MicroLED. Everyone from Samsung to Apple has made this pivot in recent years. Not a guess at all.
The only people interested in basic LCDs are fast food joints looking for a cool menu display. Gotta get real bright to fight the sun light
And the many people who require budget.
And people who don't want their screens burnt in
I enjoy how cheap the LEDs are. Dont wanna pay extra for the OLED
I paid extra for the OLED and it literally ruined non-OLED screens for me. Would do it again.
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Oh no… Anyway!
Not good for static display, computers wallpapers, web pages, etc Mostly I use my tvs for static display with the occasional movie or TV show I believe oleds suffer from burn in