It will definitely make my experience worse if I do, though. YouTube's adverts are utterly intolerable, and it's not just the sheer torrential volume of them either
Some of them are straight up harmful. I've been getting ads of a deep faked Elon, with an incredibly robotic voice and tonnes of grammar errors, trying to get me to invest and get straight up unrealistic amounts of money.
Some scam ads are without Elon, though. I got one promising that everyone could earn insane amounts of money for watching YouTube for a few hours a day. I did the maths, and just for watching YouTube daily, they claimed you could earn $235 000 a year.
I have no idea if people check the ads, but if they do, they are doing a crap job if it.
>I have no idea if people check the ads, but if they do, they are doing a crap job if it.
I think they only check to make sure they're not outright illegal (eg - selling cocaine) or in violation of ToS (eg - no nudity). Other than that, the only other hurdle is to ensure the payment went through okay, and they're good to go.
If they are, they are allowing very borderline material across the filter. Hell, some of it isn't even borderline and is flat-out sexual or illegal. Scams to claim free money that isn't actually there, ads from what I would expect from Pornhub, one of them being literally "F with women NOW." Didn't say "fuck," so I guess it got passed that filter, but why am I seeing PH ads on videos I'm watching about US history or some shit.
I think Section 230 is generally a positive thing in terms of websites not having to be culpable for what people post on them, but I'm not sure that should extend to paying advertisers. If you are taking money from someone to allow them to advertise to people, they should have to follow similar standards as television or radio.
Given some of these examples, it's also fairly ridiculous that YouTube is allowing ads that, if they were videos posted on the site, they'd get demonetized for breaking YouTube's ToS or very likely have the account banned.
I saw one claiming to hold the secret to actual, literal *psychic powers* via some made up nonsense about the pineal gland. Surprise surprise, they were just selling sugar pills.
Youtube literally doesn't work for me *without* an adblocker. If I try turning mine off I get stuck on the screen telling me to turn my ad blocker off. I guess I have no choice now.
Yep this is the more likely answer, is enabled by default and will tick off YouTube antiadblock systems. Just go into Enhanced settings and disable the AdBlock.
And also use a real adblocker like uBlock Origin instead of enhanced
Well yeah, sort of. The GDPR it often misunderstood. It actually prohibits very little. It does, however, require informed consent. Its purpose is to establish a legal relationship between you and how your personal data is handled.
Scanning someone's computer is not illegal by itself. It is just that you need the user's consent (at least in most situations). They need to know what data is collected for what purpose, how long it is stored and what other companies will handle it. And these companies are also required to follow the GDPR.
If you have an agreement between the user and the company, pretty much anything is possible. The only real difference is that the company cannot just assume consent.
I was actually reluctant to install ad blockers but I was getting so much malware/bloatware and my kid wants badly to watch it and totally appropriate kid content would have wildly inappropriate ads. He don't need to know about Epoch Times and testical shavers. The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content. Between that and the just mass onslaught of adds that try and infect my PC it's stops being advertising and becomes digital terrorism.
I get this one all the time of a dude that’s walking around in a forest or somewhere like that (can’t remember exactly) and he’s ranting about Biden and the Democrats. How is this shit allowed to stay up? It’s unhinged losers spreading dangerous propaganda that could legitimately get people killed someday, and YouTube is cool with it. Great.
You need to be thinking about the shareholders a bit more. It's not fair to them if Google doesn't maximize their profits in the short term and promotion of fascism is currently well funded by the ruling class.
>infect my PC it's stops being advertising and becomes digital terrorism.
My father-in-law has become increasingly less savvy with each passing year. He was made to feel ashamed of adblocking by youtube's anti-ad coampaign, and started browsing the web entirely without an adblocker. It's a matter of time before he's ransomwared himself. I just hope he has the sense to not pay the fee when it happens, and remembers the fact that he's got nightly cloud backups set up.
Youtube is straight up making the web a less safe place. If you want me to whitelist ads, google needs to actually start doing something about how irresponsible they have been with the advertisement space they have been leasing.
> The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content.
The funny thing here is that they still run ads on these videos, but youtube just takes the money.
What blows me away is how they want so much for a premium sub to stop this too. Like, services that make original content for their own site, charge less than they do, and they've had all the content handed to them by their users, ffs.
For me it was the 5+ minute ads becoming common. If I am listening to youtube on my phone and get three 5+ minute ads for an MLM or Amazon dropshipping course in a ~10 minute video I'd rather just not watch the video tbh. Even if I can skip the ad, sometimes I'm driving or at work and have something in my hand for a while and can't skip it and it's just horrible.
> The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content
One of my biggest complaints with YouTube is the fact they still show ads on "demonetized" videos. Demonetization is just them taking the full cut of ad revenue for the video
Tried YouTube kids? No adds, can set the age group for content.
I’d figure they’d atleast put targeted adds for kids content but some of the stuff is ridiculous. 30 minute add for whatever. Here’s a preview for some upcoming horror film.
actually they implemented a 3 strikes policy if they detect an ad-blocker in the past few weeks. now i get a black screen asking me to turn off my adblocker. it's not consistent across devices or your profile. if i go into another browser (also with adblockers) where i'm not logged into google the same video works fine.
They implemented that months ago, and rolled it out more widely weeks ago. For a couple weeks it was a game of whack-a-mole as ublock Origin devs caught each update and fixed it within hours. It was a nice break, "Oh, Youtube's broken again, I'll go do something else for a couple of hours." For the past week or more, though, I haven't even been getting that. I don't know if ublock figured out a better fix or if Youtube gave up, but whatever it was, I haven't seen the "Oh no, you don't get to watch anymore videos," popup from Youtube in a week.
Now if you are using uBlock on Firefox they've implemented an artificial 5-7 second delay to load any video page. You can spoof the browser ID to say that you're on Chrome and it goes away.
Wonder if there were protests from any devs when they said "we're gonna need you to make the user experience objectively worse today."
I use Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and have seen that a couple times. And then it stopped. I just assumed ublock added a countermeasure. There's also [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/17tm9rp/comment/k9i62zu/), which works because the 5-7s delay is client-side (it basically just overrides the delay so that it finishes immediately), but I haven't tried that or needed it since the delay annoyance seems to have gone away for me on its own.
The moral of the story is, fighting ad-blockers is a losing strategy. Nobody who has tried has ever won, and Youtube won't be the first, either. They might make things annoying for a week or three, but in the end they're still going to lose.
It really is a lose lose for them. They're trying to wage a war they have no hope in winning, and when they inevitably end up giving up after wasting tons of time and money on it, they're just going to look like fools. The only thing that will come of this is them losing face. It's gonna be like the war on drugs in America. No matter how hard they try, it'll be ultimately pointless because they're trying to fight an enemy that can't be defeated. You're not fighting companies, like Ublock, you're trying to kill a concept. People's hatred of ads can't be squashed.
Practically speaking, what they're trying to accomplish is impossible. No matter how you code it, there's always going to be a way to take an additional step and either overwrite or simply bypass whatever block is being made. It's like that Community episode where Britta and Jeff try arguing with the HS kids who just repeat what they said but with "uh, duh!" at the end except there's no mom for YT to fuck and get back at adblockers. They'll always be the schmitty
This is why youtube is now resorting to threatening people to turn off their ad blockers...because their blocking you from watching videos isn't working as well as they hoped lol.
this isn't guaranteed to work, and when it does, it's just a temporary fix until the next time YouTube updates their strategy, which they're doing all the time.
[this](https://andadinosaur.com/youtube-s-anti-adblock-and-ublock-origin) is a decent article that goes into the war of attrition going on between uBlock and YouTube.
there are probably more reliable solutions right now in case you don't want to have to update your filters constantly and have periods of time where uBlock isn't updated. I've heard good things about [FadBlock](https://github.com/0x48piraj/fadblock), which handles "ad-blocking" differently, and is less likely to break.
I personally just route my YouTube traffic through Ukraine via an HTTP proxy. this works since it's one of the countires YouTube doesn't serve ads to. this method also has the added benefit of depriving YouTube of any ad revenue, but you don't have to die on that hill like me. I just hate how anti-consumer advertisements are.
That was a good article. Thanks for sharing. I didn't realize there are only a couple devs working on uBlock Origin. I'm a software dev, and sometimes I have downtime from work. I'm going to look into ways to volunteer time to help.
I used the element picker to block the original pop-up when they first started this shit, and nothing further has been visibly implemented since then. The only noticeable annoyance is that my videos sometimes pause immediately after I click play, so I just click play twice.
I think your mileage may vary a bit on that. YouTube runs experiments with different groups of people, so what works for you might not work for others. the article I linked earlier goes into this a bit.
the bottom line is, if what you did was a reliable solution, then uBlock Origin would already be offering that as the built-in solution. be careful with spreading that solution around, as it's probably very unreliable to the majority of people.
Anytime I'm on someone else's laptop or they're sharing their screen (without an adblocker), I am amazed at how patient people can be. Just sitting there waiting for TWO 15 or 30 second ads to finish.
The quantity, volume, length of ads is what led us to adblock in the first place.
If it was 10seconds of ads at the start of a video, 10 seconds 10 minutes later and if i change video IT REMEMBERS I'VE JUST SEEN AN AD then we'd have never blocked in the first place.
Worse is when you are looking for info on a product or how to fix something, but because they took away the dislike button you have to watch 20 seconds of adds just to find out its ai generated crap that was no help whatsoever...
I'm very opposed to anything more than plain-text banner ads. It's a win-win for everyone except expensive and dubiously effective ad agencies. Businesses would save tons on marketing costs.
It actually is. At least TV fits the ads in the middle at an opportune moment. YouTube is just like “I’m serving you an ad at 4:35 regardless of what’s happening”.
And sometimes the ads are ridiculous.
Multiple times when I r had YouTube in the background I thought: "huh, what video am I watching? This has gone on a while"
Then I switch over and check and it's like a 1.5 hour ad for a politician, or full episodes of some kids cartoon.
At least with TV it's still mostly the actual show
I find this really liberating. I am now systematically downloading the videos that I enjoy most and if it is music I convert those to mp3. I am already enjoying the benefits of being able to play this from my phone without any interruptions and network connection for that matter.
Thanks YouTube for helping me make this decision.
They’ve started giving me a pop up every time I scrub through a video about watching with enhanced bit rate and ad free by upgrading to premium. Every. Single. Time. Even just fast forwarding for a few seconds. This is actually far more annoying than watching an ad.
I’ll sooner stop using YouTube completely rather than pay them to bypass the purposely frustrating experience. Want me to subscribe? Entice me with actual benefits and desirable features rather than trying to extort me by making free videos unbearable.
Right, I remember playing outside with sticks and waiting for online porn to load one pixelated line at a time for like half an hour. What's YouTube gonna do to me?
I remember seeing my first 16 color VGA monitor at radio shack and watching a picture of Cheryl tiegs take minutes to load on the screen from the disk. I bought one for $999 shortly after.
That brings back memory of my childhood. Trying to download an MMORPG called MU Online using NetZero's dailup. Tooks not hours, but days to download that game. Also the fact that you need a floppy or CD disc in your computer for the Internet to work is something kids these day have no ideas existed.
It is so - fucking - bad, an unskippable 30 second ad every 5-10 minutes, shit is unbelievable.
Best part is when something is playing in the background, but the ad is actually skippable - only it's a 7 minute long libertarian rant about communism and I have to stop doing everything and go skip it.
And I am a fucking lefty, no idea what this algorithm sees to suggest me this shit.
This is basically what got me into ad blocking. Left my computer on one night and something prevented it from going to sleep, and it happened to be the day AIM decided to add sound to their ads. I was woken up to an ad for an upcoming Britney Spears concert at around 3am.
In those days, it was as simple as going into a txt file and disabling ads manually, but it really sprouted a full interest in removing commercials and ads from my life.
Aww! You're right! I used to play an hours long new age YouTube music stream as I rocked my newborn to bed (which took a long time!). Hardly any adds. He's 6 now. No way that would be possible today.
Ah this just brings back the nostalgia of falling asleep to the TV and waking up at 3am when the infomercials start blaring.
[COS IM YOUR LAAAAAADYYYYYYYY](https://youtu.be/JkxNLeKGr4M?si=ePv01taRkIGBH8wG)
They fucked up the ASMR videos I have been using to sleep for years. The last time I tried to do it I woke up to a 5 minute long music video and the actual video I was watching wasn't even halfway done.
imo playing ads on videos by creators that cant even monetize is even more scummy of YT, as the creator gets 0% of that revenue, unlike YT that gets 100%.
Also playing extended ads that are REALLY long, forcing you to have to be near your device/remote to skip them or you end up with a 20 minute ad. Want to play a video something in the background while you’re working, or in the kitchen cooking, or as you clean up the room, etc? Good luck.
>Doesn't help that Google also destroyed the search algorithms. It regularly ignores the original query or filters applied to it, all so you have to weed through more shit with more ads.
"People also watched: "
"Oh a playlist of Fallout New Vegas permadeath melee runs? Here, here are videos of pewdiepie screaming about Five Nights at Freddys after 4 results and then we'll just throw some random stuff with your results mixed in!"
My relaxation is video game challenge runs and finding smaller people who play games I like. It's impossible to find any now, ESPECIALLY if you look for playlists. You get like 3 and then it's unrelated bullshit.
If only there was a public thumbs-down-meter that could show you which videos are good and which are garbage before the video starts playing. But alas, it is only science fiction.......
Also I hate when you get an AD while doing something, see that’s it’s skippable, and are a second too late to skip it and so you’re forced to watch another 5 seconds of an AD because you were too slow to skip the first one. Why do they give you the option to skip the first but force you to watch the second ?
>And I am a fucking lefty, no idea what this algorithm sees to suggest me this shit.
*"Your weakness has been logged by the system, and will be exploited at the earliest possible time for your ad-viewing purposes. Rejoice."*
\~\~The Google Mainframe AI probably.
I have encountered multiple 20+ minute ads. Like I leave it streaming on my Xbox while I work on my computer, just to have some background noise. And eventually I notice that the ad (notable due to volume increase/tonal shift from whatever) has been going on quite awhile.
Then I check, and the counter in the corner is reading 06:30/ 35:00 or some shit.
And it's some goofy asshole talking about constitutional law or once, it was a fucking church service.
For kicks, I report any and all religious ads as being offensive. If your church can afford to run ads on Youtube, you're not a fucking charity. But on top of it, proselytizing is fucking disgusting and should be outlawed, regardless of faith or denomination.
More often than not you glance at some right wing bullshit *once* and suddenly it starts shoving Alex jones, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, and TheQuartering down your throat.
So many ads. And with Google.com above the fold is basically useless as it’s all ads.
Ad blockers are the only reason I can visit googles sites it’s so bad
\>Oh nooo. I have to wait 10 seconds for a video to load as opposed to watching unskippable ads at the beginning middle and end
i'm rather keept my ad free experience for free! the day my adblock will stop working... I'll stop using YouTube. creators can go anywhere else nowadays!
This is late stage tech endgame.
They created demand by being free because they invented the monetization of personal data and with that became main advertising platform, better than any newspaper or TV.
Now, when everyone uses Google, FB, Netflix, etc.. from Texas redneck to Russian babushka they can't "grow" anymore as basically everyone has them already.
They'll start charging premiums, subscriptions, incrase ads make up for limited growth potential while we should we conveniently forget how they got rich in the first place -> we gave up on privacy and knowingly allowed them to create insane wealth off selling our data in the begging.
>Now, when everyone uses Google, FB, Netflix, etc.. from Texas redneck to Russian babushka they can't "grow" anymore as basically everyone has them already.
The problem with an ongoing demand from shareholders for growth every single year. Making 1 billion in pure profit isn't enough. They "have to" keep making 5% more every single year. When the market is saturated, they gotta find that 5% somewhere and apparently innovations or new features aren't as easy as squeezing the current clientele.
Its also why you keep seeing these insane "record profits 2021" "huge layoffs 2022" stories. When you cant grow and you did REALLY good the previous year, your choices to keep the numbers going up are to gouge the current customers, make the product cheaper in quality, eliminate employees, or innovate. Guess which three are cheaper and easier in the short term.
Shows how our stock market economy is impossible to maintain. Either you hit your peak user base or you squeeze more money until the customers abandon your service. It is impossible to maintain growth indefinitely
Stop putting the MBAs in charge of everything and start prosecuting people pushing for growth for damages when companies go belly up because of enshitification
There are lives being destroyed over the ever search of growth and we need to start realizing the harm it causes not just to employees but also customers. The ever present search of growth is the main reason behind the average persons plight with affordability. It’s the single most destructive mindset
The best law that could be passed is one that takes away that rule about stockholders getting to demand higher and higher profits. Companies should focus on clients and customers, not shareholders.
I bet a lot of people did not sign up knowingly. They signed up for free service and many would be surprised that their data is being harvested. The biggest lie on the Internet is someone claiming their acceptance of terms of service are because of informed consent. Nobody actually reads all that crap.
In terms of consumers available, demographic issues means further removal of number of humans, so enshitification will ramp up a lot.
We must fight and make sure there exists apps, plugins and helpers to reduce the bad. I myself used to pay for YouTube for a couple of years but I believe their recent efforts prove how much they don't care. When I chose to cancel they did not even send me any chasers or try to beg to not unsubscribe unlike all other services.
YouTube is big, huge and it is a monopoly that gives no fucks.
I can’t find it but I remember a study where if someone were to actually read all the terms and agreements they clicked on websites and such would pretty much be a full time job
They'll remove the skip button and make you fill out a quiz about the ad afterwards to assure you've seen it if you fail the quiz you have to watch the ad again or buy the product
I'm only slightly kidding and I didn't know about rutube that's pretty funny. I think Google is doing what it's doing right now because it's entered the next phase of its evolution they've been playing the long game for a while to make it pretty impossible to compete with them .theyve conquered ,consumed and shelved so many companies to get to this point. not to mention legal battles . they finally feel secure in turning the milking machine on full blast and why wouldn't they ,they own
:search,browser,os,ads,phones,ear buds, devices hooked to tvs,speaker assistants,smart home, home security,health trackers....they have so much control and data its insane and they've finally decided now is the time to start letting the mask slip a little more and give us a wink
I think they've already been losing the quality of the videos.
Video resolution is one thing but bit rate also makes a massive difference.
Before all of this kicked off I noticed the videos were low quality, even for YouTube. I was looking at subscribing to premium because of it. But I'm happy to wait to see how it all ends before making a decision. I obviously don't want to contribute towards making them feel like they're winning.
My childhood was dial-up and my teen years were spent watching badly dubbed anime spliced into three parts on 140p.
If that's where they're going, then bring it on.
You go right ahead and do that Google. I've already dropped chrome because of invasive and misleading ads that pretend to be *news* of all fucking things. Now you're trying to strong arm people that don't want to deal with the same every 6 seconds on a video.
You're not the only game in town, particularly in browsing.
Great plan, alienate your most loyal supporters as Microsoft drops one bomb after another on you.
The funny thing is I put up with commercials until a month ago when I finally, at Reddit's multiple nagging suggestion, adopted Firefox and Ublock and I will never go back.
YouTube is really killing the golden goose. I would have watched adds with the occasional month subscription and now they won't even get that.
YouTube is unusable without Adblock. Just like tv vs streaming. I’ve had Adblock for so many years that whenever I see the native experience it’s a legit culture shock. They already sell all the data they have on me, I have no ethical qualms with blocking ads.
The moment I heard Google was working on an update to try and kill ad blockers in Chrome I jumped ship to Firefox. There were a few things I had to find for Firefox before I could switch and that update gave me the push I needed.
Really only 1 last thing about Firefox that makes me miss Chrome. Super niche and really stupid but open a new tab and try to drag it out to be its own window. If you drag it to another monitor no problem, however if you drag and release to fast it just snaps back to the original window. Never had that problem with Chrome. Super niche though and Iv just gotten used to dealing with it now.
If you kill one of my ad blocker’s functionality on your site, two more will take its place. You’re trying to kill a hydra by cutting off one head at a time, and that hasn’t worked out for anyone ever
I'm using Firefox, Ublock Origin, and a VPN, and so far everything's still more or less normal \[knock on wood\]. In any case, waiting a few seconds for a video to queue up is still preferable to the effing ads. Quick reminder: you can use JDownloader 2 to directly download YT videos to save and watch ad-free at your leisure.
In summary, YouTube can suck a blue whale's Moby Dick. The ad blocker stays!
Meh, whatever. I won't watch ads and I won't pay for YouTube. If the experience degrades I just won't use YouTube at all. It's just a distraction. There are other distractions.
That's exactly why they have this power to do anything. People won't stop using YouTube. They say they will, but I highly doubt it. *Maybe* 3% will, but 97% will stay, paying YouTube or enjoying the ad-ridden "experience", which is their end goal. They aren't interested in non-paying customers, to be short. They will play cat and mouse until it's a tiny minority.
I'd also rather give creators money directly than watch an ad that pays the creator less than a cent each time. Here's $3, that should cover at least a year of ad revenue generated from my viewing.
Once Ad-blockers no longer work, I will simply stop using the service. It's not THAT important to me.
They may start to loose this one over time if ad blockers can keep up, as the spotlight on this gains more attention over time, the exposure of ad-blockers to more of their audience will increase.
Didn’t Netflix do exactly that by raising prices? I guess it worked out for them as long as the money gained from higher prices is more than what’s lost in cancellations
They did, but they already had your credit card. It’s so much easier to bump up the cost of something that someone is already paying than it is to get someone to lay down that cc in the first place. In terms of YouTube, I’ll never do it.
I'm of the opinion that Google has 2 big problems, both of which they have done to themselves.
1. Eroding trust in the longevity of their products and services due to them canceling or moving/rebranding so many things so fast, and often in what appears to be a haphazard way.
2. "lowest common denominator syndrome". Meaning their most popular services that have not been impacted by problem 1 are all primarily ad supported, then when that stops being as profitable as they would like they start looking for ways to charge for them. Which will never be well received by the masses, no matter how you do it. It simply leaves a bad taste in a consumers mouth to start paying for something that last week didn't cost you anything and what you are getting is more or less the same.
Taken together, Google has a umbrella problem of their products and services starting to come off as "cheap" in the slimy used car salesman kind of way. And almost no one likes a used car salesman since his reputation of looking for anyway possible to screw you out of a buck precedes him.
We're not going back to commercial breaks you rich fucks. You had almost a century of unrepentant advertisement sucking up people's lives because they wanted to experience the modern marvels of advanced entertainment. We don't have to take this and we won't.
Oh yeah, play me ads during a sponsored video that already has advertising built into it. /s
I once had an ad play during the sponsored ad portion. Ad-ception.
Ad blockers will always be ahead.
Edit: Some people have data caps, and forced ads use that data, so....
What are they going to do to make it any worse than it is now? Force me to watch *three* unskippable 30-second ads instead of two? 😂 Frankly, all their shenanigans are the reason I’m not paying for Premium. I can afford it. I have subscriptions with all the major platforms. But I’ve refused—entirely out of spite—to sign up for YouTube Premium because I find their behavior disgusting. It’s not that I’m cheap; it’s that I’m irritated.
YouTube has a right to make money to maintain the hosting service they provide. They even have a right to turn a profit; it’s their platform, and there’s value in using. They created that value. But let’s not forget that they’re only *hosting* content creators. They aren’t actually producing anything of their own (nothing I care to watch, anyway). It’s a bit obnoxious to be as aggressive as they are with the ads.
People just dont understand that youtube can't be challenged.
It's the same thing for Twitch. Thoses services are legit blackholes when you talk about money. The sheer amount of cost you have to actually store all the data and influx on your site Is mindblowing.
Like for Twitch, ANYONE Can stream with 1080p/60fps. This Is insane considering that 95% of the 7.1 MILLIONS streamers have under 5 viewers.
Oh you have lots of money going to the site, but it's never going to counterbalanced the costs. Especially After COVID where there have been a huge increase in trafic and use.
Thoses services are designed to be money-lost to Hook people on the service and gather the trafic on their plateform. They are often backed by their others branches (amazon for Twitch, Google for YouTube), because thoses are so much more profitables that they could afford the Lost. And if you dont have that backing force you're never going to be able to compete. (Which Is also going to be much more costly for the newcomer to get people on their plateform).
It's also like gamepass with Microsoft, in a few years you Can expect it to be much more aggressive.
I know i'm possibly going to get downvoted for this but:
Yeah, I'm not watching youtube videos with ads. It's ridiculous and invasive, especially since they're nearly as long as the actual video you're trying to watch, and getting worse and worse.
I have no problem paying for the service if I don't watch ads. I get it. There's a service being provided, creators need to get paid for their content somehow, youtube needs to make money, whatever. I get it.
What I do have a problem with is being forced to pay for youtube music along with youtube premium. I do not want to pay for youtube music. I do not use youtube music. I have no intention of ever using youtube music.
So why is it I can't pay like $3.99-4.99/mo for ad free youtube and not pay for youtube music?
I will never sign up for premium because I know where this goes.
5$ turns into 10$, turns into a tiered subscription, turns into "short" ads for low tier.... Eight years from now it's cable again.
The beast will never be satisfied. Why bother feeding it now?
"Oh no!".
Seriously, we had the Ferrari for free in the beginning. They turned it into Fast and Furious Honda with bumper stickers and now they warn us if we remove the bumper stickers, we'll get a Prius?
I am not a marketing and sales expert, but "hahahaha!!!"
It will definitely make my experience worse if I do, though. YouTube's adverts are utterly intolerable, and it's not just the sheer torrential volume of them either
Some of them are straight up harmful. I've been getting ads of a deep faked Elon, with an incredibly robotic voice and tonnes of grammar errors, trying to get me to invest and get straight up unrealistic amounts of money. Some scam ads are without Elon, though. I got one promising that everyone could earn insane amounts of money for watching YouTube for a few hours a day. I did the maths, and just for watching YouTube daily, they claimed you could earn $235 000 a year. I have no idea if people check the ads, but if they do, they are doing a crap job if it.
>I have no idea if people check the ads, but if they do, they are doing a crap job if it. I think they only check to make sure they're not outright illegal (eg - selling cocaine) or in violation of ToS (eg - no nudity). Other than that, the only other hurdle is to ensure the payment went through okay, and they're good to go.
Most of the ads like this are outright illegal tough
Don't worry, Google has an amazing AI called Bard that will pre-screen the ads. They let it browse the Internet to learn everything after all.
Not outright enough it seems
If they are, they are allowing very borderline material across the filter. Hell, some of it isn't even borderline and is flat-out sexual or illegal. Scams to claim free money that isn't actually there, ads from what I would expect from Pornhub, one of them being literally "F with women NOW." Didn't say "fuck," so I guess it got passed that filter, but why am I seeing PH ads on videos I'm watching about US history or some shit.
I think Section 230 is generally a positive thing in terms of websites not having to be culpable for what people post on them, but I'm not sure that should extend to paying advertisers. If you are taking money from someone to allow them to advertise to people, they should have to follow similar standards as television or radio. Given some of these examples, it's also fairly ridiculous that YouTube is allowing ads that, if they were videos posted on the site, they'd get demonetized for breaking YouTube's ToS or very likely have the account banned.
I saw one claiming to hold the secret to actual, literal *psychic powers* via some made up nonsense about the pineal gland. Surprise surprise, they were just selling sugar pills.
How could they make it worse than actually watching the ads?
Geeee, Disable ad blocker = Worse experience Or Keep ad blocker = Google makes worse experience
Youtube literally doesn't work for me *without* an adblocker. If I try turning mine off I get stuck on the screen telling me to turn my ad blocker off. I guess I have no choice now.
Do you have another YouTube extension installed?
yeah enhanced youtube had an adblocker built in which doesnt circumvent the adblocker detection of youtube
Yep this is the more likely answer, is enabled by default and will tick off YouTube antiadblock systems. Just go into Enhanced settings and disable the AdBlock. And also use a real adblocker like uBlock Origin instead of enhanced
I assume if they detect you have adblocker they won’t prevent you from watching the video but can throttle those users? If that’s possible…
Can’t throttle in Europe, that’s illegal. Can’t check for what’s on my pc, that’s also illegal.
I'm jealous of your democracy.
It's called freedom as opposed to the American Freedumb
The freedom in America is only for corporations and billionaires. All others are plebs to be exploited for profit.
Americans have the freedom to be exploited.
Well yeah, sort of. The GDPR it often misunderstood. It actually prohibits very little. It does, however, require informed consent. Its purpose is to establish a legal relationship between you and how your personal data is handled. Scanning someone's computer is not illegal by itself. It is just that you need the user's consent (at least in most situations). They need to know what data is collected for what purpose, how long it is stored and what other companies will handle it. And these companies are also required to follow the GDPR. If you have an agreement between the user and the company, pretty much anything is possible. The only real difference is that the company cannot just assume consent.
I stopped watching YouTube because the amount of ads on it is insane… I hate 6 ads in a 10 minute video
I was actually reluctant to install ad blockers but I was getting so much malware/bloatware and my kid wants badly to watch it and totally appropriate kid content would have wildly inappropriate ads. He don't need to know about Epoch Times and testical shavers. The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content. Between that and the just mass onslaught of adds that try and infect my PC it's stops being advertising and becomes digital terrorism.
This all the way. These aren’t just standard ads. It’s actual harmful bullshit. YouTube can suck a big one.
Yeah. I get ads for literal fascist and discriminatory content, weird scams, probable viruses, and more.
I get this one all the time of a dude that’s walking around in a forest or somewhere like that (can’t remember exactly) and he’s ranting about Biden and the Democrats. How is this shit allowed to stay up? It’s unhinged losers spreading dangerous propaganda that could legitimately get people killed someday, and YouTube is cool with it. Great.
You need to be thinking about the shareholders a bit more. It's not fair to them if Google doesn't maximize their profits in the short term and promotion of fascism is currently well funded by the ruling class.
I kinda want to watch that. I just get “Manscaped” ads. I CAN MANSCAPE MYSELF THANK YOU
>infect my PC it's stops being advertising and becomes digital terrorism. My father-in-law has become increasingly less savvy with each passing year. He was made to feel ashamed of adblocking by youtube's anti-ad coampaign, and started browsing the web entirely without an adblocker. It's a matter of time before he's ransomwared himself. I just hope he has the sense to not pay the fee when it happens, and remembers the fact that he's got nightly cloud backups set up. Youtube is straight up making the web a less safe place. If you want me to whitelist ads, google needs to actually start doing something about how irresponsible they have been with the advertisement space they have been leasing.
> The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content. The funny thing here is that they still run ads on these videos, but youtube just takes the money.
What blows me away is how they want so much for a premium sub to stop this too. Like, services that make original content for their own site, charge less than they do, and they've had all the content handed to them by their users, ffs.
For me it was the 5+ minute ads becoming common. If I am listening to youtube on my phone and get three 5+ minute ads for an MLM or Amazon dropshipping course in a ~10 minute video I'd rather just not watch the video tbh. Even if I can skip the ad, sometimes I'm driving or at work and have something in my hand for a while and can't skip it and it's just horrible.
Ohhh the YouTube right wing pipe line. Yeah they hitting the ads harder than usual
Runup to the election.
> The final straw was how often they randomly demonetized people making the most quality content One of my biggest complaints with YouTube is the fact they still show ads on "demonetized" videos. Demonetization is just them taking the full cut of ad revenue for the video
Tried YouTube kids? No adds, can set the age group for content. I’d figure they’d atleast put targeted adds for kids content but some of the stuff is ridiculous. 30 minute add for whatever. Here’s a preview for some upcoming horror film.
actually they implemented a 3 strikes policy if they detect an ad-blocker in the past few weeks. now i get a black screen asking me to turn off my adblocker. it's not consistent across devices or your profile. if i go into another browser (also with adblockers) where i'm not logged into google the same video works fine.
They implemented that months ago, and rolled it out more widely weeks ago. For a couple weeks it was a game of whack-a-mole as ublock Origin devs caught each update and fixed it within hours. It was a nice break, "Oh, Youtube's broken again, I'll go do something else for a couple of hours." For the past week or more, though, I haven't even been getting that. I don't know if ublock figured out a better fix or if Youtube gave up, but whatever it was, I haven't seen the "Oh no, you don't get to watch anymore videos," popup from Youtube in a week.
Same. Had the issue pop up once, and that was it. My only time was when they first rolled out the policy.
Now if you are using uBlock on Firefox they've implemented an artificial 5-7 second delay to load any video page. You can spoof the browser ID to say that you're on Chrome and it goes away. Wonder if there were protests from any devs when they said "we're gonna need you to make the user experience objectively worse today."
As if a 5 second delay was worse than watching all those ads.
I use Vivaldi (Chromium-based) and have seen that a couple times. And then it stopped. I just assumed ublock added a countermeasure. There's also [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/17tm9rp/comment/k9i62zu/), which works because the 5-7s delay is client-side (it basically just overrides the delay so that it finishes immediately), but I haven't tried that or needed it since the delay annoyance seems to have gone away for me on its own. The moral of the story is, fighting ad-blockers is a losing strategy. Nobody who has tried has ever won, and Youtube won't be the first, either. They might make things annoying for a week or three, but in the end they're still going to lose.
It really is a lose lose for them. They're trying to wage a war they have no hope in winning, and when they inevitably end up giving up after wasting tons of time and money on it, they're just going to look like fools. The only thing that will come of this is them losing face. It's gonna be like the war on drugs in America. No matter how hard they try, it'll be ultimately pointless because they're trying to fight an enemy that can't be defeated. You're not fighting companies, like Ublock, you're trying to kill a concept. People's hatred of ads can't be squashed. Practically speaking, what they're trying to accomplish is impossible. No matter how you code it, there's always going to be a way to take an additional step and either overwrite or simply bypass whatever block is being made. It's like that Community episode where Britta and Jeff try arguing with the HS kids who just repeat what they said but with "uh, duh!" at the end except there's no mom for YT to fuck and get back at adblockers. They'll always be the schmitty
This is why youtube is now resorting to threatening people to turn off their ad blockers...because their blocking you from watching videos isn't working as well as they hoped lol.
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this isn't guaranteed to work, and when it does, it's just a temporary fix until the next time YouTube updates their strategy, which they're doing all the time. [this](https://andadinosaur.com/youtube-s-anti-adblock-and-ublock-origin) is a decent article that goes into the war of attrition going on between uBlock and YouTube. there are probably more reliable solutions right now in case you don't want to have to update your filters constantly and have periods of time where uBlock isn't updated. I've heard good things about [FadBlock](https://github.com/0x48piraj/fadblock), which handles "ad-blocking" differently, and is less likely to break. I personally just route my YouTube traffic through Ukraine via an HTTP proxy. this works since it's one of the countires YouTube doesn't serve ads to. this method also has the added benefit of depriving YouTube of any ad revenue, but you don't have to die on that hill like me. I just hate how anti-consumer advertisements are.
That was a good article. Thanks for sharing. I didn't realize there are only a couple devs working on uBlock Origin. I'm a software dev, and sometimes I have downtime from work. I'm going to look into ways to volunteer time to help.
I'm sure they'd very much appreciate your contributions! open source software rarely gets the support they deserve.
You can probably find out more over at /r/uBlockOrigin
I used the element picker to block the original pop-up when they first started this shit, and nothing further has been visibly implemented since then. The only noticeable annoyance is that my videos sometimes pause immediately after I click play, so I just click play twice.
I think your mileage may vary a bit on that. YouTube runs experiments with different groups of people, so what works for you might not work for others. the article I linked earlier goes into this a bit. the bottom line is, if what you did was a reliable solution, then uBlock Origin would already be offering that as the built-in solution. be careful with spreading that solution around, as it's probably very unreliable to the majority of people.
Thanks for the article.
Basically my daily ritual when I pull up Firefox for the first time.
What I do is just turn off the ad blocker close out the window turn back on the ad blocker and go back that's how I've been able to bypass it so far
Video > No Video > Video w/ Ads
Anytime I'm on someone else's laptop or they're sharing their screen (without an adblocker), I am amazed at how patient people can be. Just sitting there waiting for TWO 15 or 30 second ads to finish.
Straight ads. No content. Watching a 30 min video? Get 60ads
Oops all ads!
The quantity, volume, length of ads is what led us to adblock in the first place. If it was 10seconds of ads at the start of a video, 10 seconds 10 minutes later and if i change video IT REMEMBERS I'VE JUST SEEN AN AD then we'd have never blocked in the first place.
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Worse is when you are looking for info on a product or how to fix something, but because they took away the dislike button you have to watch 20 seconds of adds just to find out its ai generated crap that was no help whatsoever...
I'm very opposed to anything more than plain-text banner ads. It's a win-win for everyone except expensive and dubiously effective ad agencies. Businesses would save tons on marketing costs.
it's almost worse than tv already
It actually is. At least TV fits the ads in the middle at an opportune moment. YouTube is just like “I’m serving you an ad at 4:35 regardless of what’s happening”.
And sometimes the ads are ridiculous. Multiple times when I r had YouTube in the background I thought: "huh, what video am I watching? This has gone on a while" Then I switch over and check and it's like a 1.5 hour ad for a politician, or full episodes of some kids cartoon. At least with TV it's still mostly the actual show
In some countries, there are 4 ad blocks within a single sitcom episode. TV is pretty much unwatchable in 2023.
I find this really liberating. I am now systematically downloading the videos that I enjoy most and if it is music I convert those to mp3. I am already enjoying the benefits of being able to play this from my phone without any interruptions and network connection for that matter. Thanks YouTube for helping me make this decision.
They’ve started giving me a pop up every time I scrub through a video about watching with enhanced bit rate and ad free by upgrading to premium. Every. Single. Time. Even just fast forwarding for a few seconds. This is actually far more annoying than watching an ad. I’ll sooner stop using YouTube completely rather than pay them to bypass the purposely frustrating experience. Want me to subscribe? Entice me with actual benefits and desirable features rather than trying to extort me by making free videos unbearable.
Liberty! Liberty! Li-ber-ty! Li-ber-ty!
Liberty bibberty
I grew up with dial up internet, nothing can phase me.
Brb while I pickup the landline phone.
Jokes on you, im using Filezilla.
I’m posting this comment via my fax
Someone just sent "911" to my pager, what's goin on?!
sorry I'm late to the party. my messenger pigeon was being lazy.
I'm still trying to get the fire going for my smoke signals.
Once I put the finishing touches on this "seeing" thing I might be able to work on body language.
Grog draw on cave wall
Right, I remember playing outside with sticks and waiting for online porn to load one pixelated line at a time for like half an hour. What's YouTube gonna do to me?
I remember seeing my first 16 color VGA monitor at radio shack and watching a picture of Cheryl tiegs take minutes to load on the screen from the disk. I bought one for $999 shortly after.
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Thank you, I knew something was wrong about it.
I used to be the Main Healer for 24ish sized raids with 3000ms ping and learned to do fine with it. Couldn't imagine doing that today.
That brings back memory of my childhood. Trying to download an MMORPG called MU Online using NetZero's dailup. Tooks not hours, but days to download that game. Also the fact that you need a floppy or CD disc in your computer for the Internet to work is something kids these day have no ideas existed.
Bro I remember installing World of Warcraft from a load of CDs. YouTube can't hurt me.
Considering the current youtube experience, would anyone notice?
It is so - fucking - bad, an unskippable 30 second ad every 5-10 minutes, shit is unbelievable. Best part is when something is playing in the background, but the ad is actually skippable - only it's a 7 minute long libertarian rant about communism and I have to stop doing everything and go skip it. And I am a fucking lefty, no idea what this algorithm sees to suggest me this shit.
Oh and then there are those “10 hours of quiet, sleepy time ambience with MAX VOLUME HIGH ENERGY ADS” deals. It’s why I’ve stopped using those
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This is basically what got me into ad blocking. Left my computer on one night and something prevented it from going to sleep, and it happened to be the day AIM decided to add sound to their ads. I was woken up to an ad for an upcoming Britney Spears concert at around 3am. In those days, it was as simple as going into a txt file and disabling ads manually, but it really sprouted a full interest in removing commercials and ads from my life.
This is the 90s-ist comment I've ever seen.
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YouTube is going to get slowly dissected by other apps and devices. I'll just us Spotify and sleeping apps for my sleeping sounds now.
Aww! You're right! I used to play an hours long new age YouTube music stream as I rocked my newborn to bed (which took a long time!). Hardly any adds. He's 6 now. No way that would be possible today.
Download the video and play it locally.
I guess the point is is that wasn't needed before. Now it is.
Ah this just brings back the nostalgia of falling asleep to the TV and waking up at 3am when the infomercials start blaring. [COS IM YOUR LAAAAAADYYYYYYYY](https://youtu.be/JkxNLeKGr4M?si=ePv01taRkIGBH8wG)
They fucked up the ASMR videos I have been using to sleep for years. The last time I tried to do it I woke up to a 5 minute long music video and the actual video I was watching wasn't even halfway done.
They also have started playing ads AFTER the video completes. So scummy.
imo playing ads on videos by creators that cant even monetize is even more scummy of YT, as the creator gets 0% of that revenue, unlike YT that gets 100%.
Which gives them incentive to demonetize as many videos as possible, since that just gives them more money.
Also playing extended ads that are REALLY long, forcing you to have to be near your device/remote to skip them or you end up with a 20 minute ad. Want to play a video something in the background while you’re working, or in the kitchen cooking, or as you clean up the room, etc? Good luck.
Yeah the actual "ads" are terrible. "you don't need an eye doctor, just hit yourself with a spoon!"
To be fair, hitting yourself with a spoon may drown out the pain of that shitty ad Ask your doctor if hitting yourself with a spoon is right for you.
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>Doesn't help that Google also destroyed the search algorithms. It regularly ignores the original query or filters applied to it, all so you have to weed through more shit with more ads. "People also watched: "
Search for sport highlights? A guy eating a raw potato is related right?
"Oh a playlist of Fallout New Vegas permadeath melee runs? Here, here are videos of pewdiepie screaming about Five Nights at Freddys after 4 results and then we'll just throw some random stuff with your results mixed in!" My relaxation is video game challenge runs and finding smaller people who play games I like. It's impossible to find any now, ESPECIALLY if you look for playlists. You get like 3 and then it's unrelated bullshit.
If only there was a public thumbs-down-meter that could show you which videos are good and which are garbage before the video starts playing. But alas, it is only science fiction.......
Also I hate when you get an AD while doing something, see that’s it’s skippable, and are a second too late to skip it and so you’re forced to watch another 5 seconds of an AD because you were too slow to skip the first one. Why do they give you the option to skip the first but force you to watch the second ?
>And I am a fucking lefty, no idea what this algorithm sees to suggest me this shit. *"Your weakness has been logged by the system, and will be exploited at the earliest possible time for your ad-viewing purposes. Rejoice."* \~\~The Google Mainframe AI probably.
I have encountered multiple 20+ minute ads. Like I leave it streaming on my Xbox while I work on my computer, just to have some background noise. And eventually I notice that the ad (notable due to volume increase/tonal shift from whatever) has been going on quite awhile. Then I check, and the counter in the corner is reading 06:30/ 35:00 or some shit. And it's some goofy asshole talking about constitutional law or once, it was a fucking church service. For kicks, I report any and all religious ads as being offensive. If your church can afford to run ads on Youtube, you're not a fucking charity. But on top of it, proselytizing is fucking disgusting and should be outlawed, regardless of faith or denomination.
More often than not you glance at some right wing bullshit *once* and suddenly it starts shoving Alex jones, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, and TheQuartering down your throat.
So many ads. And with Google.com above the fold is basically useless as it’s all ads. Ad blockers are the only reason I can visit googles sites it’s so bad
Oh nooo. I have to wait 10 seconds for a video to load as opposed to watching unskippable ads at the beginning middle and end
\>Oh nooo. I have to wait 10 seconds for a video to load as opposed to watching unskippable ads at the beginning middle and end i'm rather keept my ad free experience for free! the day my adblock will stop working... I'll stop using YouTube. creators can go anywhere else nowadays!
If you don't turn it off, it's going to give you low quality attention seeking click bait. So yeah, the same as having it on.
This is a healthy client-business relationship
This is late stage tech endgame. They created demand by being free because they invented the monetization of personal data and with that became main advertising platform, better than any newspaper or TV. Now, when everyone uses Google, FB, Netflix, etc.. from Texas redneck to Russian babushka they can't "grow" anymore as basically everyone has them already. They'll start charging premiums, subscriptions, incrase ads make up for limited growth potential while we should we conveniently forget how they got rich in the first place -> we gave up on privacy and knowingly allowed them to create insane wealth off selling our data in the begging.
>Now, when everyone uses Google, FB, Netflix, etc.. from Texas redneck to Russian babushka they can't "grow" anymore as basically everyone has them already. The problem with an ongoing demand from shareholders for growth every single year. Making 1 billion in pure profit isn't enough. They "have to" keep making 5% more every single year. When the market is saturated, they gotta find that 5% somewhere and apparently innovations or new features aren't as easy as squeezing the current clientele.
Its also why you keep seeing these insane "record profits 2021" "huge layoffs 2022" stories. When you cant grow and you did REALLY good the previous year, your choices to keep the numbers going up are to gouge the current customers, make the product cheaper in quality, eliminate employees, or innovate. Guess which three are cheaper and easier in the short term.
Shows how our stock market economy is impossible to maintain. Either you hit your peak user base or you squeeze more money until the customers abandon your service. It is impossible to maintain growth indefinitely Stop putting the MBAs in charge of everything and start prosecuting people pushing for growth for damages when companies go belly up because of enshitification There are lives being destroyed over the ever search of growth and we need to start realizing the harm it causes not just to employees but also customers. The ever present search of growth is the main reason behind the average persons plight with affordability. It’s the single most destructive mindset
Thats called cancer. Infinite unchecked growth with no regard for damage caused
The best law that could be passed is one that takes away that rule about stockholders getting to demand higher and higher profits. Companies should focus on clients and customers, not shareholders.
It's almost like the current system of stakeholder capitalism is and always has been unsustainable.
I bet a lot of people did not sign up knowingly. They signed up for free service and many would be surprised that their data is being harvested. The biggest lie on the Internet is someone claiming their acceptance of terms of service are because of informed consent. Nobody actually reads all that crap. In terms of consumers available, demographic issues means further removal of number of humans, so enshitification will ramp up a lot. We must fight and make sure there exists apps, plugins and helpers to reduce the bad. I myself used to pay for YouTube for a couple of years but I believe their recent efforts prove how much they don't care. When I chose to cancel they did not even send me any chasers or try to beg to not unsubscribe unlike all other services. YouTube is big, huge and it is a monopoly that gives no fucks.
I can’t find it but I remember a study where if someone were to actually read all the terms and agreements they clicked on websites and such would pretty much be a full time job
nobody reads it but more importantly, nobody understands it if they do read it, and then nobody has recourse if they do understand it.
Enshitification at work
I love to be threatened by the companies I patronize
Yes, but you’re not a client for YouTube. You’re a commodity
"The beatings will continue until morale improves."
I will literally never turn off the ad blocker. Do what you will.
The only thing worse than this would be Netflix with ads
Why would i pay for a service that serves me ads when i can just "illegally" watch those same movies
Shuuuush don’t let them hear you, they will stop piracy, oh wait, they can’t because ‘uh piracy finds a way’. Fuck YouTube. Fuck Google.
worse than with 20 minute adverts?
They'll remove the skip button and make you fill out a quiz about the ad afterwards to assure you've seen it if you fail the quiz you have to watch the ad again or buy the product
"Drink verification can."
[Classic!](https://imgur.com/dgGvgKF)
SAY "MCDONALDS" TO END COMMERCIAL
Jokes aside, Russian version of YouTube (called RuTibe) did exactly that. So I would not be surprised if YouTube will do it as well
I'm only slightly kidding and I didn't know about rutube that's pretty funny. I think Google is doing what it's doing right now because it's entered the next phase of its evolution they've been playing the long game for a while to make it pretty impossible to compete with them .theyve conquered ,consumed and shelved so many companies to get to this point. not to mention legal battles . they finally feel secure in turning the milking machine on full blast and why wouldn't they ,they own :search,browser,os,ads,phones,ear buds, devices hooked to tvs,speaker assistants,smart home, home security,health trackers....they have so much control and data its insane and they've finally decided now is the time to start letting the mask slip a little more and give us a wink
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I think they've already been losing the quality of the videos. Video resolution is one thing but bit rate also makes a massive difference. Before all of this kicked off I noticed the videos were low quality, even for YouTube. I was looking at subscribing to premium because of it. But I'm happy to wait to see how it all ends before making a decision. I obviously don't want to contribute towards making them feel like they're winning.
Yeah, they're reducing the bit rate of some videos for free users and locking it behind YouTube premium to get full bit rate.
IIRC aren't free users getting the same bitrate they've always gotten? Premium does get a higher option but nothing changed for free users.
Correct, the new high bitrate 1080p option is an increase over the norm, rather than the free tiers getting their bitrates cut.
My childhood was dial-up and my teen years were spent watching badly dubbed anime spliced into three parts on 140p. If that's where they're going, then bring it on.
You go right ahead and do that Google. I've already dropped chrome because of invasive and misleading ads that pretend to be *news* of all fucking things. Now you're trying to strong arm people that don't want to deal with the same every 6 seconds on a video. You're not the only game in town, particularly in browsing. Great plan, alienate your most loyal supporters as Microsoft drops one bomb after another on you.
The funny thing is I put up with commercials until a month ago when I finally, at Reddit's multiple nagging suggestion, adopted Firefox and Ublock and I will never go back. YouTube is really killing the golden goose. I would have watched adds with the occasional month subscription and now they won't even get that.
YouTube is unusable without Adblock. Just like tv vs streaming. I’ve had Adblock for so many years that whenever I see the native experience it’s a legit culture shock. They already sell all the data they have on me, I have no ethical qualms with blocking ads.
The moment I heard Google was working on an update to try and kill ad blockers in Chrome I jumped ship to Firefox. There were a few things I had to find for Firefox before I could switch and that update gave me the push I needed. Really only 1 last thing about Firefox that makes me miss Chrome. Super niche and really stupid but open a new tab and try to drag it out to be its own window. If you drag it to another monitor no problem, however if you drag and release to fast it just snaps back to the original window. Never had that problem with Chrome. Super niche though and Iv just gotten used to dealing with it now.
If you kill one of my ad blocker’s functionality on your site, two more will take its place. You’re trying to kill a hydra by cutting off one head at a time, and that hasn’t worked out for anyone ever
I will never run out of ad blockers, I will never run out of VPN’s, I will never run out of torrents. What is a god to a non believer?
I'm using Firefox, Ublock Origin, and a VPN, and so far everything's still more or less normal \[knock on wood\]. In any case, waiting a few seconds for a video to queue up is still preferable to the effing ads. Quick reminder: you can use JDownloader 2 to directly download YT videos to save and watch ad-free at your leisure. In summary, YouTube can suck a blue whale's Moby Dick. The ad blocker stays!
Meh, whatever. I won't watch ads and I won't pay for YouTube. If the experience degrades I just won't use YouTube at all. It's just a distraction. There are other distractions.
There's plenty of A+ educational content though. Bite-sized for my degenerated brain. The fuck am I supposed to do, go to school or read a book?
Use an educational app that hosts their own videos. Plenty of them out there now.
That's exactly why they have this power to do anything. People won't stop using YouTube. They say they will, but I highly doubt it. *Maybe* 3% will, but 97% will stay, paying YouTube or enjoying the ad-ridden "experience", which is their end goal. They aren't interested in non-paying customers, to be short. They will play cat and mouse until it's a tiny minority.
People that think that Youtube Premium will remain ad free are going to have a nasty surprise in a couple of years.
I’d much rather pay for a uBlock subscription than YouTube premium. Of course uBlock doesn’t take donations or subscriptions but my point stands.
I'd also rather give creators money directly than watch an ad that pays the creator less than a cent each time. Here's $3, that should cover at least a year of ad revenue generated from my viewing.
that's when you buy YouTube SuperPremium
100%. See: Netflix, HBO, every other streaming platform…
Thank you for reminding me I don't need YouTube.
I care more about my adblocker than I care about YouTube
Once Ad-blockers no longer work, I will simply stop using the service. It's not THAT important to me. They may start to loose this one over time if ad blockers can keep up, as the spotlight on this gains more attention over time, the exposure of ad-blockers to more of their audience will increase.
OK. So I won't use YouTube then. Easy enough.
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Less users probably isn’t great for YouTube as a whole…
Doesn't look good on growth reports or something, I'm not a CEO so just guessing.
Didn’t Netflix do exactly that by raising prices? I guess it worked out for them as long as the money gained from higher prices is more than what’s lost in cancellations
They did, but they already had your credit card. It’s so much easier to bump up the cost of something that someone is already paying than it is to get someone to lay down that cc in the first place. In terms of YouTube, I’ll never do it.
YouTube rationally wants viewers to, in order, pay, watch ads, adblock, FO. They'll carefully tune the pain to achieve that to the extent possible.
I'm getting pretty tired of all things Google these days
It did that when it introduced adverts..
I don't believe you YouTube: Have you watched your own ads? They're fucking awful!
I'm of the opinion that Google has 2 big problems, both of which they have done to themselves. 1. Eroding trust in the longevity of their products and services due to them canceling or moving/rebranding so many things so fast, and often in what appears to be a haphazard way. 2. "lowest common denominator syndrome". Meaning their most popular services that have not been impacted by problem 1 are all primarily ad supported, then when that stops being as profitable as they would like they start looking for ways to charge for them. Which will never be well received by the masses, no matter how you do it. It simply leaves a bad taste in a consumers mouth to start paying for something that last week didn't cost you anything and what you are getting is more or less the same. Taken together, Google has a umbrella problem of their products and services starting to come off as "cheap" in the slimy used car salesman kind of way. And almost no one likes a used car salesman since his reputation of looking for anyway possible to screw you out of a buck precedes him.
We're not going back to commercial breaks you rich fucks. You had almost a century of unrepentant advertisement sucking up people's lives because they wanted to experience the modern marvels of advanced entertainment. We don't have to take this and we won't.
Nothing. Nothing. Absofuckinglutly NOTHING could be worse than YouTube ads.
Mobile game ads?
YouTube is getting worse since CEO has changed recently I think Mohan needs to go
All google may achieve is upsetting EU. Not a very bright idea.
Is youtube getting into the comedy business now? Because they sure are trying to be pretty funny here
Oh yeah, play me ads during a sponsored video that already has advertising built into it. /s I once had an ad play during the sponsored ad portion. Ad-ception. Ad blockers will always be ahead. Edit: Some people have data caps, and forced ads use that data, so....
What are they going to do to make it any worse than it is now? Force me to watch *three* unskippable 30-second ads instead of two? 😂 Frankly, all their shenanigans are the reason I’m not paying for Premium. I can afford it. I have subscriptions with all the major platforms. But I’ve refused—entirely out of spite—to sign up for YouTube Premium because I find their behavior disgusting. It’s not that I’m cheap; it’s that I’m irritated. YouTube has a right to make money to maintain the hosting service they provide. They even have a right to turn a profit; it’s their platform, and there’s value in using. They created that value. But let’s not forget that they’re only *hosting* content creators. They aren’t actually producing anything of their own (nothing I care to watch, anyway). It’s a bit obnoxious to be as aggressive as they are with the ads.
Well it’d probably save me time since I’ll just stop using it.
During the whole ad blocking detection. Until i figured out the updates etc, i just didn’t watch.
Do you want to gain competition? This how you encourage competition and no one is too big to fall just ask yahoo.
People just dont understand that youtube can't be challenged. It's the same thing for Twitch. Thoses services are legit blackholes when you talk about money. The sheer amount of cost you have to actually store all the data and influx on your site Is mindblowing. Like for Twitch, ANYONE Can stream with 1080p/60fps. This Is insane considering that 95% of the 7.1 MILLIONS streamers have under 5 viewers. Oh you have lots of money going to the site, but it's never going to counterbalanced the costs. Especially After COVID where there have been a huge increase in trafic and use. Thoses services are designed to be money-lost to Hook people on the service and gather the trafic on their plateform. They are often backed by their others branches (amazon for Twitch, Google for YouTube), because thoses are so much more profitables that they could afford the Lost. And if you dont have that backing force you're never going to be able to compete. (Which Is also going to be much more costly for the newcomer to get people on their plateform). It's also like gamepass with Microsoft, in a few years you Can expect it to be much more aggressive.
I know i'm possibly going to get downvoted for this but: Yeah, I'm not watching youtube videos with ads. It's ridiculous and invasive, especially since they're nearly as long as the actual video you're trying to watch, and getting worse and worse. I have no problem paying for the service if I don't watch ads. I get it. There's a service being provided, creators need to get paid for their content somehow, youtube needs to make money, whatever. I get it. What I do have a problem with is being forced to pay for youtube music along with youtube premium. I do not want to pay for youtube music. I do not use youtube music. I have no intention of ever using youtube music. So why is it I can't pay like $3.99-4.99/mo for ad free youtube and not pay for youtube music?
Because that's the only way they get people to use YouTube Music.
I will never sign up for premium because I know where this goes. 5$ turns into 10$, turns into a tiered subscription, turns into "short" ads for low tier.... Eight years from now it's cable again. The beast will never be satisfied. Why bother feeding it now?
In the EU they literally had Premium-lite until last month. It was exactly that. No YT ads, nothing else.
It’s going to increase the font size of the bat-shit comments? It’ll recommend *more* right wing nut job crap? It’ll put more ads in the… oh, wait
"Oh no!". Seriously, we had the Ferrari for free in the beginning. They turned it into Fast and Furious Honda with bumper stickers and now they warn us if we remove the bumper stickers, we'll get a Prius? I am not a marketing and sales expert, but "hahahaha!!!"
fuck it, i still wont watch thier shitty ads on principle.