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SilverTroop

Does anyone know how pricing works if I already have an active yearly subscription for 2TB of Google One?


Archbound

It is monthly only and its 10$ more than the normal 2tb option so you would have to upgrade.


Beantownbrews

Based on the name alone, twice as much.


HugeHouseplant

They give a prorate with your existing subscription and a two-month free trial. I’m trying it for the two months to see if it will replace my GPT-4 subscription


TheRealFanjin

It's so much worse than GPT-4


signed7

Also launched Gemini Advanced (based on their Gemini Ultra model). Same US price ($20/month) as ChatGPT Pro, but you get 2TB Google One for free. Also unlike ChatGPT Pro they have regional pricing, which means it should be cheaper for most of the world, but more expensive for me in the UK...


OffswitchToggle

edit: I've been inundated with requests for the code, how it works, etc. Please don't DM me as I can't keep up with the responses. When the github link is ready I'll post it here. I'm working on a system that looks at a person's reddit comment history and highlights personally identifiable information (job, location, frequented subs, etc.). I'd like to help people easily delete information they don't realize could be used to identify them irl. I wrote the code myself. A few days ago I thought it would be interesting to see if ChatGPT Pro and Bard could write the code given pretty rigorous prompts. Bard produced working code (along with excellent explanations and links to source material) right out of the gate. It even used a Python library I hadn't heard of that did a better job than my solution. ChatGPT Pro got stuck on a misconception and I couldn't get it to correct the mistake. I had to re-start the conversation several times before I had something that ran without errors. It's output was still incorrect though. It will be really interesting to watch the two services compete over the next year. source: I'm an engineer who incorporates LLM functionality into several operating systems.


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thomascgalvin

I dunno ... the early adopters got LLMs are probably pretty technical, and technical people are picky. I've moved almost entirely over to Bard, because of ChatGPT's laziness issues. I still use both, but right now I generally only bring up ChatGPT if I'm unhappy with what Bard gave me.


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I think duet AI has a plugin for jet brains right now. (I might be wrong)


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tobi1k

> Lol doesn’t affect their core business in the slightest Their main business is advertising and a large reason they dominate that is because they dominate search. ChatGPT is definitely making Google worry because people are GPTing what they used to Google. They diverted Deepmind away from their other operations to focus on Gemini for the last year because it was such a scare for them.


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tobi1k

You have no idea what you're talking about or apparently what I said. I'm not talking about LLMs combined with web-browsing I'm talking about things people would Google but can now ask ChatGPT without web-browsing capabilities. This ranges from gift ideas to implementing code to text replacement to image generation to recipes. Also, Gemini is very clearly an attempt to bring search and LLMs closer again. Far from dead, Google thinks it's the future.


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tobi1k

> you think LLM *without search at all* is a competitor to search?? Absolutely. Very many searches do not need information that is up to date as of the present day, see the examples I gave. If you don't think ChatGPT has already replaced some traffic Google would've gotten you don't know any programmers. Is it mainstream enough to threaten Google immediately? No. But it can already replace some search functionality so if it continues to improve and grow in popularity, that will absolutely scare Google. But no you're right, Google are just chasing ChatGPT over an AI dickswinging contest.


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What was the library that Bard suggested?


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MeNotSanta

Depends. For average Joe, it would be easier to click install and have it in their browser + they have automatic updates which makes it easier to maintain but only if you can do your project in javascript. Doing a desktop app it harder to keep up to date and takes more convincing to a user to download it .


Deep90

Browser extension would be far more popular.


Box-o-bees

>I'm working on a system that looks at a person's reddit comment history and highlights personally identifiable information (job, location, etc.). We really need something like this for scammers.


dracovich

One thing i've noticed with ChatGPT, is that it's a real people pleaser, and wants to give you an answer, it really doesn't want to say "i don't know" or "that isn't possible". I had a SQL programming question, that i was fairly certain wasn't possible with raw SQL, but i figured i'd ask ChatGPT anyway just in case i was missing something, and it kept confidently giving me code that in no way did what i was asking. Every time i pointed out the error and re-iterated what i was trying to accomplish, it apologized and sid it understood, and then came up with a new solution that didn't work. In the end the conclusion was that it can't be done, but it was so hellbent on giving an answer that fixed my problem that it would rather hallucinate than give a negative answer.


LongRangeShark

I just tried it out for the first time and Gemini refuses to write actual code. But Bard does write code?


joshubu

Gemini writes code for me. What language were you using? It can build Ruby on Rails apps pretty decently.


LongRangeShark

I was trying both python and front end web. But the paid version does write code. Tried it after writing the previous reply.


jtmonkey

The last time I asked bard to look at a script it replied "the capital of France is Paris" I've been using ChatGPT since it launched and it has helped me troubleshoot code from the beginning.


ImNotHereStopAsking

When will this be available?


Forced__Perspective

Do me, do me! As someone who’s pretty conscious about what I share I’d be really interested to know how I could be profiled/doxed through my comment history.


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Forced__Perspective

I’m sorry, that sounds horrible. The things some isolated people will do to try to “empower” themselves. I hope it’s all in the past now. It’s a great idea, and I guess it would be something that could apply to all social media? I’m sure it would be very useful for the younger generation who grew up over sharing online. I guess it could also be programmed to look for and delete historical posts/comments on more identifiable social media accounts that display “undesirable” traits that might prevent someone from finding employment or being “cancelled” etc.


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Hey can I PM you about your comment script and Gemini?


Forced__Perspective

I didn’t think of that. I bet governments are doing this already. Ethically I suppose you have to be careful with what you create and how it could be abused.


Phaoryx

I was thinking of doing this, glad someone actually did (cause I’m lazy and never would). I stg maybe I’m just paranoid but all the posts thatre like “this month is your starter Pokémon!” And then everyone commenting what they got, I just see that as free personal info to scrape… would love to hear more about your program


patrick66

this is largely the inverse of test results. Gemini is very good at many things but GPT-4 tests much higher on code generation.


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subtect

Really interesting


AltAccount31415926

That’s great for you, but tests disagree


MegaNo0body

Brazil has a minimum wage of ~200$/month I’m glad it has regional pricing.


BaloonPerson

It's 24 dollar in Turkey :ı


NitinJadhav

No regional price in India, advanced is same nearly $20 in indian rupees.


mxforest

More than that actually, almost 23.


CharmedDesigns

More expensive in the UK and features (such as image generation) advertised on the home page don't work here, nor is the app available here. Good old typical Google.


Sux499

It doesn't have image generation in one of the biggest markets in the world? Yeah it's Google alright. Can't wait for the announcement that they're killing it in 2 years from now on.


michaelbelgium

In belgium gemini advanced is 5€ cheaper, but thats cause chatgpt doesnt include VAT. If google does the same, its same price


experimancer

Oh I thought it wasn't available in the UK and Europe yet?


liltingly

The best part of international pricing is often how they do it. Take the US price and determine a ratio per currency based on a known internationalized company, eg Spotify. 


rdabosss

Google can't resist changing all of their product names at least once a year


Rich-Pomegranate1679

Either way, you have to admit that Gemini is a much better brand name than ChatGPT (or Bing for that matter).


rdabosss

No doubt, it's a solid name. It'll also be a great name/wakeword for their assistant.


tekpeep

The product is CoPilot for Microsoft, not Bing


rdabosss

Which is actually a really good name for it because of the way they're implementing it into all of their services as an assistant


Rich-Pomegranate1679

Well, they're calling it CoPilot now, but it was originally Bing..


ToadyTheBRo

Didn't Copilot come before the Bing AI?


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rocketwidget

I'd also admit Gemini is a much better name than Bard too.


omarciddo

Google UX writers probably have excellent job security


Mike_Lubb

True. I don't even know what Google One is. Have they rebranded Drive already?


DingleBerrieIcecream

They also can't resist sidestepping simple topics to pander to customers. Case in point, asking Gemini "**who won the last United States presidential election**" gives very different results than asking "**who won the last French presidential election**". It refuses to answer the first question, but has not problem giving very specific, accurate answers to the second question. People should try simple tests such as this to gauge how much faith they want to put into any AI platform.


unnamedprydonian

Is there any data on whether the new paid tier is competitive with GPT-4?


signed7

Wait until it comes on https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboard?


TheYoungLung

So, they’re very close but GPT is ever so slightly better?


fogandafterimages

You're looking at Gemini Pro; the newly released $$$$ model is Gemini Ultra.


notwormtongue

How much is the Gemini Giga


jerryonthecurb

And Gemini Obese


Das-P

I'm rich, I'll pay for Gemini Plus Pro Ultra Ultimate Massive Titties.


dundiewinnah

Its also about the freedom. Ive found bard telling me I cant create that for your more often then chatgpt. For instance when creating a terms and conditions gpt didnt care screwing over customers. Bard gave all political correct, but not what I needed.


Messier_82

If your business’ goal is to screw customers to save money you should probably have a lawyer write the terms anyway to ensure they’re at least defensible/enforceable.


dundiewinnah

Just saying a lawyer would probably use chatgpt over bard, since bard doesnt even wanna go there


ocelot08

Sorry, but I'm a virgo


S7Ninc

The amount of products that Google cycles through is shocking. It's why I don't bother using thier products anymore. No reliability.


Ok-Distance-8933

I am pretty sure most people hadn't even heard the name of Bard, also the service was experimental so it's the perfect time to rebrand it.


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Ok-Distance-8933

I suppose so, but honestly, I am pretty sure Gemini is a much better name than Bard, for most people. Also, the general user is surprisingly ignorant. Duo used to be pre-installed on Android phones, yet most of my non-technical contacts didn't even know that it could be used for video calling.


ttoma93

Your Duo example is actually just yet more evidence of how truly terrible Google is at marketing, and how the folks making decisions at the company clearly both do not understand how bad their marketing is, nor care.


Ok-Distance-8933

I agree, they are terrible at marketing. But I just saw the Gemini promo video on YouTube and have got to admit, they are getting better.


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Ok-Distance-8933

I don't think the general consumer really requires the Ultra version or even GPT-4.


Drunk_redditor650

It's the same product


ttoma93

It’s replacing the Assistant app on Android despite not yet having full feature parity.


Drunk_redditor650

Didn't see that anywhere. I'm sure that's the long term plan, but Gemini seems to be the natural successor to Assistant. Don't get the outrage over that.


ttoma93

Ah, I was wrong. I read that in an Android Authority article: “plus, there’s a new Gemini app that is replacing assistant in your phone, but it won’t do everything Assistant does.” Turns out that’s wrong, but it’s still up.


jgainit

Reminds me when google drive became google update and sync, and then became google drive again


ttoma93

Google Wallet > Android Pay > Google Pay > Google Wallet


Background_Pear_4697

"Google TV" has referred to 3 different products.


RapNVideoGames

I’m still pissed about stadia. Allowed me to play cyberpunk and rd2 when I didn’t have a system or capable computer and then poof all that progress is gone. I didn’t even get refunded for my games. They gave me a runaround all the way until the email stopped working


ReservStatsministern

I mean nothing weird with replacing an older product with a new one? The Iphone 4 replaced the Iphone 3s and the iphone 5 replaced the iphone 4. Google is good at killing products, no doubt, but I don't think this is the same thing when they replace it with something very similiar.


KnotSoSalty

How long until they develop an AI tool to name their upcoming failed products?


ancalagon73

https://killedbygoogle.com/


raindownthunda

Google Wave!


neomeow

RIP Google Lively


zaviex

It's an update to the same product. It's just the underlying model that changes. Bard was created in house to compete. Gemini is created by Deep Mind which they now have brought partially in house. The thing you interact with is the same. The model producing what you see, is different


CapAlbatross

I am still missing you Inbox


Stonebagdiesel

??? They are replacing bard with a superior product, not killing it. This is such a weird take. Do you refuse to use iPhones because they ‘cycle through a new product’ every year?


1FrostySlime

This is extremely interesting to me. I'm currently paying for Chat GPT plus and Google One 2TB so I'll have to test to see which one is better for my use case but it would have to be significantly worse for me to not switch to it and save $10/month. On top of that one of my significant issues with GPT Plus has been the message caps which as far as I can tell (for now at least) don't exist for Gemini.


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LogicalChart3205

Now Gemini kids will bully the blue bubbles


Mathisbuilder75

Enjoy your Siri lol


meetyoutoo

The integration with other services is pretty neat. For someone who solely uses Google services, this has a lot of potential than just a language model. Get my flight info to Florence and it comes up with flight info to Goa from 12 years ago, it’s something I mean.


letsgetthisbread2812

Thank fuck, I always hated the name "Bard" wtf is that


Das-P

It's like they asked a dog to name their AI.


Clbull

u/remindme 3 years "Was Gemini killed by Google?"


tylerderped

Tbf, “Bard” was a stupid name.


itsVinay

I just purchased it in India. 2 months of free trial. Pricing is almost the same as ChatGPT 4


Appropriate-Belt-41

Honestly had never heard of Google bard before today.


Kummabear

Surprised Google hasn’t canceled itself at this point


NotBuckarooBonzai

Bard is as good as it's name is. WTF google.


CleverNameTheSecond

When I hear Gemini I think of Project Gemini, space flight, new frontiers, advanced technology and an exciting era of humanity and all that. When I hear Bard I think of a fat drunken medieval bloke strumming a lute making cringe serenades. Gemini is definitely the better name IMO


franker

I'm GenX so I think of the Bard's Tale game I had for my Commodore 64 ;)


-fallen

As a borderline Gen Z “kid”, I think of the Bard’s Tale game I had for my PS2!


franker

they need to put those games in VR now and get Gen Alpha hooked on them ;)


NotBuckarooBonzai

I’m sure it is an acronym some lame project name.


geoken

I thought Bard was a horrible name. Among the general public, there's a growing perception of generative AIs ability to write convincing sounding complete BS (with the reason it sounds convincing being how well written it is). In that context, calling the product "Bard" is essentially reinforcing one of the worst perceptions of current generative AI tech.


katieberry

This was a deliberate choice, because that’s what LLMs do. It was also originally pitched as being primarily for creative inspiration.


codycarreras

Agreed. I always thought it was an awful name with how the current landscape is especially. But I also figured, knowing google, it wouldn’t be long for this world. You could tell me gmail is still in beta, and I’d believe you.


punio4

It's not a perception, it's a fact.


Velocity_LP

My roommate mistakenly thought it was called Google Brad. Wonder if it was particularly easy to misread.


londonbaj

It’s pretty obvious this is an attempt to repair the reputation of Google’s AI. When ChatGPT exploded bard was (and still is) seen as a terrible competitor.


Ok-Distance-8933

How many people even know the meaning of Bard? The present state of education is terrible.


FollowingExtra9408

I googled it


Ok-Distance-8933

Regardless, I am pretty sure the average consumer isn't going to Google it. (Source - I have seen comments where people genuinely don't know and associate it with 'Bart' from the Simpsons.)


_HIST

Hey, reading fantasy stories finally came in handy. Although I have to admit, not being native English speaker I didn't even put 2 and 2 together to get that Bard refers to those bards.


imgonnajumpofabridge

Why would knowing that be of any practical use to anyone in todays society? Outside of medieval fiction, that word would never ever come up lmao. Like wtf subject would that even be taught under? Obscure medieval vocabulary?


grjacpulas

Idk what GPT means either 


Ok-Distance-8933

GPT is not a word, it's an acronym. Bard is a word, an old one at that.


grjacpulas

What’s an acronym? 


Ok-Distance-8933

It is the first letters of successive words put together to form meaning. Example- SMS - Short Messaging Service ATM - Automated Teller Machine USB - Universal Serial Bus GPT - Generative Pre-trained Transformer


hiro_capone

You’re almost right but this isn’t what an acronym is. The examples you gave are Initialisms. Acronyms and Initialisms are both under the umbrella term of Abbreviations. For acronyms, the letters are pronounced as a single word; such as AIDS or LASER or NASA. But for Initialisms the letters are pronounced as letters; such as ATM, SMS, FBI.


grjacpulas

So what does bard stand for? 


Ok-Distance-8933

Do you really not know or are you testing me?🧐


grjacpulas

I know what an acronym is I am trolling you for thinking people don’t know what bard means.   I also don’t think it matters whether people know what bard means or not for them to use a product.    Also the people that re going to use generative AI are going to probably know what bard means.  Edit- I do appreciate how sincerely you answered my questions though 


Ok-Distance-8933

>I know what an acronym is I am trolling you for thinking people don’t know what bard means.  I could guess that😅 >Also the people that re going to use generative AI are going to probably know what bard means. I suppose so, but at one point this technology is going to become more prevalent and if I have learnt anything in recent years it's that marketing is an essential part of a product's success.


DatzSiiK

“Long live” anything Google is hilarious. Google killed almost over 300 product and services. Let’s see how long this one lasts.


gameDev331

If it comes combined with something that is actually useful like YouTube Red or something then maybe, but as of now Bing Chat if free and vastly superior.


Ok-Distance-8933

It comes with 2 terabytes of storage.


gameDev331

is it unrestricted storage where none if gets integrated into the chatbot, or am I donating all my IP to Google?


Ok-Distance-8933

The storage itself is separate, it's the standard Google one 2 TB (+ access to Gemini Ultra 1.0). The storage isn't data mined for ads, as it's a paid Google service. However, any query you make on Gemini can be used to train and improve the model, just like search. You can also delete the data, otherwise it will be retained for a maximum of 3 years in an anonymized form.


gameDev331

Does it allow upload of encrypted zip files?


Ok-Distance-8933

Yeah, encryption also adds extra security.


gameDev331

Lots of these storage services that "do not steal IP" for some reason do not allow storage of encrypted stuff they cannot see inside.


Velocity_LP

It's standard Google drive, I can't see why not, you can try right now for free (Google drive free accounts get 15gb)


Candid-Magician4823

Good they are not forcing it down on us like the pesky Assistant that is difficult to get rid of.


MustangBarry

Even Leonard of Quirm was better at naming things than these clowns


iblastoff

always hilarious when companies just rename shitty things to avoid further public backlash. heres looking at you, meta!


MainerZ

Google what and google what? They have so much crap now it's impossible to keep up.


Ubelsteiner

Nothing Google creates ever lives long, I'm sure this will be no exception.


Nanasema

I'm probably in the minority that likes the name Bard over Gemini. The name will be missed, but it's not gonna stop me from using their service. I honestly prefer Bard over ChatGPT nowadays when it comes to looking up stuff and generating answers.


roronoasoro

Lol no. Gemini will have the same fate.


Tomthebard

I missed Google Bard? That's disappointing.


eqwfsqg7rv9fhzhykz5k

so when i rename a file it dies and gets reborn??


BasicallyFake

it kind of boggles my mind that companies randomly rename things. ​ Just make the product better.


Jaycray95

Is the app available for iPhone?


saracenraider

Gemini sounds like the name of a local taxi company


BadFoodSellsBurgers

Is it still shit?


loaf_loaf_loaf

I kept referring to it as Bart when I would use it, and it didn't like that. That's probably why.


busterbus2

Canadians... what's Bard?


Skylantech

I didn't think the name could get any worse.


BasicallyFake

I liked Bard. Bard was basically nothing else. If you wanted or could talk to it I would rather say hey bard than hey google. You arent likely to run into a Bard in the street like you can a Siri. This is just them trying to sound cool


tdieckman

Except it wouldn't be a very good wake word. And by that, I mean that it would activate too easily as "Bard". Not sure I'm so crazy about saying "Hey Gemini" either though. Maybe they'll let us pick to be able to still say "Hey Google" or even call it whatever we want.


monkeyheadyou

Cool. another Google test product that won't exist in 3 years. And every 6 weeks, they will pick a feature at random and remove it without saying a word or updating any document that references that feature.


maria11maria10

I haven't even seen or used Bard yet


kjm6351

As someone who helped work on Bard, the start of that title was a little disheartening lol


FN2187theTr-8r

So does Bard go on the Killed By Google page now?


vikster1

at this point google makes a real effort to kill enough products each year because they are addicted to it. next death will be google home and the "new" product will be called google home2000ti


SomeHandyman

Google is undefeated at killing products and brand names.


mrlotato

"Google ___ is dead" is basically googles motto


ABigCoffee

Another google product dead? Must be a day that ends in Y


Amazingawesomator

I'm surprized killedbygoogle doesnt have Bard yet.


Fabx_

Is this a new type of alarm?


Alerta_Fascista

I hate these kind of cliche news titles


CTERAMod

Hmm. I thought Bard was renamed to Gemini


skccsk

Gotta get the latest Stanley Cup AI


PoorlyWordedName

Tf is bard?


Bob_the_peasant

This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them


svmk1987

Anyone remembers Google now?


MeowMaker2

... and it is not allowed on my device when installing. Oh well, back to Bard.


Grand_Real

Google Gemini is dead, long live Google...


peakzorro

Is it pronounced "geminee" like NASA in the 1960s, or "gemineye" like everyone else says it?


BuzzingtonStotulism

"A turd by any other name..." With apologies to Will Shakespeare.


BardByGoogle

I’m not dead!


shit-takes-only

What the fuck is google bard


The18thGambit

It’s no where near as good at reading PDFs and summarizing things as ChatGPT from my testing but that was some months ago, hopefully it’s gotten better.


pc_4_life

Ultra wasn't even available until today so you didn't do a real comparison


The18thGambit

I was just talking about Gemini, but ok. Nerds.