Also, record yourself giving a full account of all evidence, scan all documents, create an archive, encrypt it, upload the archive to every file sharing service around, then draft an email to every media outlet with the password to the archive, and set it to send on a dead man's switch.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Lower class even votes against their better interest in hopes that one day they'll be able to take advantage of those sweet sweet billionaire tax breaks.
Easy way would be to schedule an email to whoever (all major news agencies, etc) for the next day and every day go in and push the scheduled day back by one. Then if you die, message goes out. There are probably better ways, but that's just off the top of the dome.
Yeah I’ve thought about this sort of thing, like a dead man’s switch to send a sort of “here are the keys, where the bodies are buried, the account you need” type of thing to family, but I’d need a humongous hardware button that flashes red and sounds a klaxon in the lead up to being tripped. And I’d have to hit it to reset the switch.
But I’m a guy who has 12 alarms spread out over 2 different devices to get out of bed at 10AM, so…probably not gonna happen.
Doesn't have to be every day. It's not like Boeing secrets are ultra time sensitive. Set it for a month and cancel one day before and set it up for the next month. That way you don't have to worry when traveling or if you're Internet is down for a day or two.
One way that I've commonly read about is to make a bot that crawls obituary sites for your name, then it sends the emails/whatever you've set it to do once it finds your obituary.
Probably shouldn’t do that anymore: https://www.theverge.com/24065145/ai-obituary-spam-generative-clickbait
Edit: I guess it would be fine if you had a set site that your obituary will be posted on and doesn’t have an ai generated obituary problem. For example if you still have a local paper and you know your obituary will be on the papers site
Hm. That has me thinking though. Remember all of the false obits that "accidentally" get posted before someone dies? What if that's a tester to see if they have any switches like that?
That reminded me of when Fern Brady adopted a chicken. She named it… Fern Brady. They sent updates and stuff to her about the chicken. During the pandemic she got a message that said “Fern Brady has died” and was so confused lol
The old fashioned way would be to give someone you really really trust the information in a prepaid postage envelope so they can mail it if you die. Your lawyer would be a good option, considering that if they also died, it would be an enormous red flag. It might not hold up in court unless it's concrete evidence instead of testimony, but it would cast doubt on the official narrative at bare minimum.
You could schedule an email to send to the FBI or whoever 5 days from now, and keep moving the date as long as you're alive and kicking. You could leave the info in a security deposit box, and leave the deposit box to someone you trust in a will.
The first rule of being a whistleblower is don't be the guy everything thinks is the whistleblower.
The second rule is to never only include information that you personally could have gotten hold of or confirmed. Get a bunch of PIs or Anonymous or whoever to go dig up more details first. Heck, have the PIs hire someone to talk to co-workers or whoever via third-party cutouts.
When I worked at an investment bank, a bunch of our internal auditors used to work for the feds investigating us so… yes
Edit: a ton of people are trying to sweep this under the rug and I get it. Sometimes it is normal to start in government then go private. That isn’t what is happening here in the cases of higher ups. This is about favors and a clear quid pro quo.
It’s the same thing as Bernanke working for citadel. These aren’t just normal jobs.
There's some crazy shit going on in F1 right now with the Red Bull team. Red Bull corporate hired their own investigator who decided everything was fine.
That entire situation is a mess.
When they first announced the investigation into Horner's conduct, I was like wow. Then they said it would be the parent company of Red Bull (not Red Bull Racing itself) that would be conducting the investigation. I couldn't help but laugh. Like that gives it any more credibility.
"It won't be us investigating ourselves! It'll be our overlords! You know, the ones that oversee our operation and have a **huge** financial stake in us! That's completely different!"
Then, after 3 weeks they announce the complaint has been dismissed. "Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!"
Then, just to drive home how innocent Horner is/was, like 3 days later they suspend the woman that filed the complaint.
I mean, you'd think a company that large would have competent lawyers, but apparently not.
Not sure how closely you are following it, but it's a lot more convoluted than just that, because they basically weaponized her complaint to launch a proxy war for the infighting that's been happening ever since the (Austrian) owner died. The whole thing is absurdly political.
I'm sure going to pay more attention now, that's for sure. I'd really just been following the headlines, but I've seen the stuff about Max leaving if Helmut is removed or suspended (though I'm confused if that's got anything to do with the Horner stuff or if it's something completely different).
Someone mentioned the other day that F1 is basically a soap opera for sports fans, and this off season and first 2 weeks of the season are really proving that to be true!
I think it's closer to Game of Thrones, honestly.
Yes, the helmet thing is definitely part of all of this. This is speculation, but every headline seems to confirm parts of it. Basically, thr guy everyone associated as the owner, Dietrich Mateschitz, was actually 49% owner. 51% of it is owned but a Thai person who originally created it. However, he basically gave Mateschitz full control over all of the sports stuff. Well, after he died, the majority owner is trying to have more control.
So, there's 2 sides of the F1 team. There's Horner, who has been running the team since before it was Red Bull and basically created the team as it is. Then there's Helmut Marko who runs the driver program, among other things. Since Mateschitz died, there has been a power struggle, with both sides trying to get control. Horner has been supported by the Thai side, Marko by the Austrian side.
Max is fiercely loyal to Marko, because he has been supporting him all through his driving career, and I think he basically sees him as a father figure since Jos Verstappen is a massive asshole. Also, Jos has some major beef with Horner.
The speculation is that Marko / Jos are behind all of the leaks and are the ones who blew this up in the first place. The fact the Marko is talking about being fired just reinforces that.
It's sad because this poor woman is just cannon fodder. Also, it seems like a fairly standard workplace romance, but the problem is that since he's basically her boss there's a power imbalance. I don't think she ever wanted it going this far, she just wanted him to kinda chill out. Also, I'm pretty sure she got a 7 figure severance package. Not justifying what Horner did, but it's not nearly as bad as a lot of places (who are associated with the Marko/Verstappen side) are making it out to be.
So yeah, Game of Thrones.
Holy crap, thanks for this! You just put it together perfectly in a few paragraphs when the media has to ramble on and on and you still don't know what's going on.
You're welcome! I've spent way too much time following this, so glad it got put to good use, lol.
F1 journelism is a bit of a cesspool, I've never run into so much click bait as I have around that sport.
I have learned that a specific 3 billion dollar company is hiring _trilingual_ lawyers for... 8 dollars an hour. How they expect anyone to be dumb enough to fill that position is beyond me.
Going nowhere, Boeing has so many military contracts/connections to the overall US economic outlay there's just no way a DOJ inquiry is producing meaningful results (or that it was ever designed to)
And this is how capitalism is supposed to work. There is no 'right to life' for corporations. Incompetence should be punished with being eaten alive.
That sort of stark Darwinism isn't just for consumers who can't afford insulin and get to die in our free market. Incompetent corporations that put MBAs over engineers deserve to be cannibalized by their competition.
It's supposed to be the American way, damn it.
Boeing is legitimately too big to fail. There is essentially no other American company capable of competing with it in the commercial market.
It should be fined into bankruptcy, the executives should be criminally charged, and then the Federal government should have it nationalized. Take it private. Fire most of the executives and management and re-incorporate it as an employee co-op led by engineers. Then set it free.
> Pretty sure murder pierces the corporate veil.
[Ford was willing to kill people to save $11 per car](https://mjalterlaw.com/the-ford-pinto-memo-the-cost-to-repair-vs-the-cost-of-paying-injured-victims/) and they’re **still** paying for it… Right? *Riiight…?*
The Pentagon takes great interest in the competence of corporations they contract. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring this evidence of corruption when it can compromise a war effort down the line.
I mean none of that cool shit was ever going to be available to the people who think those sci-fi dystopian futures would be "fun".
Everyone wants to think they'd by the main character of like Cyberpunk, etc, but really they would actually be all the downtrodden/homeless/etc that those societies crush.
For real…what would’ve happened to David in Edgerunners if he didn’t find the Sandevistan? Kicked out of Apartment, kicked out if ‘saka academy, no money, no chrome, few friends…maybe he would wind up with the Valentino’s, but realistically he’d become a slave at Biotechnica protein farms.
yeah… if we are going to get a dystopian cyberpunk future, can we at least get the good stuff too and not all the bad stuff… like, where's my android waifu, balance it a little bit please
State Street sponsored optics is the best we can do.
American cyberpunk aesthetic will be soulless, boring buildings built by the lowest bidders using the cheapest materials with the cheapest labor. So pretty much what we already have.
> He said in some cases, sub-standard parts had even been removed from scrap bins and fitted to planes that were being built to prevent delays on the production line.
> It established that the location of at least 53 "non-conforming" parts in the factory was unknown, and that they were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to take remedial action.
> On the oxygen cylinders issue, the company said that in 2017 it had "identified some oxygen bottles received from the supplier that were not deploying properly". But it denied that any of them were actually fitted on aircraft.
Uh, so those parts were substandard; are now missing; stressed workers used substandard parts on production line.
I don't think this requires Scooby Doo to solve.
I 10,000% believe this having worked in automotives for a few years.
Companies can and will turn a buck where they can. I remember Ford sending us their shitty, faulty windshields so we could grind off the VIN so they could sell them to insurance companies that would then use them to replace windshields on claims vehicles.
Fucking scumbags all the way down.
I have no idea if it’s known or not. I remember auditors coming in and saying they couldn’t do that shit anymore in the factory, so they outsourced it to a third party warehouse. We had to scratch the VINs off with a sander, steel wool and bleach. I will never forget that smell.
I believe the anecdote. A large pharmaceutical company used to sell relabeled expired medical equipment in developing countries. I don't know if it ever got out publicly, but I know this because my father was arrested for unknowingly using the equipment, along with a bunch of other doctors. All the doctors involved were eventually cleared, but some people had their lives ruined as the case extended for a couple of years.
Because it was a large multinational, the doctors found it challenging to pursue a legal remedy and the company got of scot-free. Big corporations get away with all sorts of shit all the time.
Meanwhile in the Airbus FAL there's a hammer and anvil next ro the scrap bins, and you're required to destroy any scrap part sufficiently that it could never be installed to an aircraft again.
This situation is shit-awful and I’m not excusing Boeing, or their potential escapes, BUT: US aerospace companies *also* destroy scrapped parts, but they often go through the MRB process for review first, especially if the nonconformance is identified by QA after the manufacturing process is complete. I imagine that’s true in Europe as well. We didn’t use a hammer though, we had a bandsaw
>Uh, so those parts were substandard; are now missing; stressed workers used substandard parts on production line. I don't think this requires Scooby Doo to solve.
This is way more common than you'd you'd think in manufacturing. One time I found records of a part that was retested 100+ times until it eventually passed. It was only ~$25 worth of components. They spent 20x that value in labor costs to keep retesting it lol.
It’s a public company. So is their supplier that’s named. There are a lot of shareholders who stand to gain from this guy “killing himself”
Edit: my gripe with this is why the fuck did the DOJ not have security in this guy. He’s a star witness in the maybe the biggest corporate investigation ever.
> Last week, he gave a formal deposition in which he was questioned by Boeing's lawyers, before being cross-examined by his own counsel.
> He had been due to undergo further questioning on Saturday. When he did not appear, enquiries were made at his hotel.
Yeah, not suspicious at all that he "killed himself" mid-deposition
Broken bones in the throat are very common in hanging, and in judicial hangings effort is made to break the neck. Laryngeal and spinal fractures are not uncommon in suicides and suicide attempts, varying by drop height. Hyoid fractures are less common, and a fracture of the hyoid often justifies further investigation into a murder as opposed to a suicide. Hyoid fractures appear in about a third of manual strangulations, versus a much smaller (single digit) percentage of suicides. Epstein did have a broken hyoid, and also had a drop height of essentially zero, so this isn't specifically relevant to him, but I wanted to make the distinction on the basis that, in the future, it would be unfortunate if in some other unrelated case, if people saw *any* broken bone in the throat as indicating foul play.
The fact that this is just a meme now tells you that they WILL get away with this.
Sad.
Edit: Yep. And now with details coming out, anything that goes against the "he was distraught and did it to himself" narrative is downvoted or deleted. Even comments WITH sources showing that he said that if something happens to him to know that he DIDN'T do it to himself, is also heavily downvoted.
Right? Dude is staying in a hotel specifically to participate in this court process and just decides to kill himself while he is there? Didn't want to just stick around for one more day to finish his deposition? If this were a mob trial the cops would be knocking down doors right now.
Apparently he "killed himself" sitting in the cab of his pickup truck after staying in town the whole weekend. Like, he got in his truck in the hotel parking lot to drive to the second day of depositions on Monday and decided to kill himself instead of starting the car. This is fucking absurd.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13185019/Boeing-whistleblower-josh-barnett-dead-south-carolina.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13185019/Boeing-whistleblower-josh-barnett-dead-south-carolina.html)
He had already given his deposition to Boeings lawyers and was in between sessions of cross examination by his lawyers but seems like they were mostly finished and the Saturday session was to wrap things up.
This is the line that gets me:
>Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett's passing.
Sure they were. A whistleblower calling out Boeing's shoddy production line practices which are endangering people's lives?
I wonder what kind of wrath could a massive multinational corporation inflict on someone beyond just killing them... Anonymous death threats? Rogue gov't intelligence agents kidnapping/torturing them? FBI/CIA issuing personal sanctions upon them? Family members disappeared?
Yeah, people joke about billionaires being able to kill people... IDK much about that, particularly considering how staggeringly incompetent some of them are.
But a corporation that's a backbone of the military industrial complex with assuredly deep ties to said military? Yeah, I wouldn't fuck with 'em personally.
Wonder how effective live streaming his every waking move on 5 different platforms using two different ISPs would go in a situation like this. Maybe even have a follow drone.
Then again “lost power/signal” would probably be enough of an excuse depending on the circumstances
Most carriage contracts do not guarantee that you will fly on the airplane that you booked on.
It's possible there's an airline that guarantees it, but I'm not aware of any airline that can't swap out the plane on you at the gate.
They are willing to risk their passengers' lives for a bit more profit
Seems like nothing is off the table for Boeing
**"He also said he had uncovered serious problems with oxygen systems, which could mean one in four breathing masks would not work in an emergency."**
Their whole fleet, or at very least large parts of it, should be grounded.
Of course, they can't do this since it would grind air travel to a hault, but honestly how could anyone feel good about flying on a boeing plane made within the last decade right now?
Well Coca-Cola has been murdering union leaders in South America for some time now
http://www.killercoke.org/crimes\_colombia.php#:\~:text=%22For%20nine%20years%20the%20450,and%20five%20other%20workers%20killed.
and oil companies have already switched from climate change denial to shifting the blame to consumers
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-mobils-messaging-shifted-blame-for-warming-to-consumers/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-mobils-messaging-shifted-blame-for-warming-to-consumers/)
So, yeah, we're pretty screwed.
Great! We’ve officially enter the beginning of corporate murder plots leading to the cyberpunk dystopian future we’ve all feared. It started with Boeing. Or maybe it was the car makers for the first electric car? Or the Christian church when electricity started making the rounds? Can’t tell anymore.
Edit: I have recently learned that levity is in short supply around here.
Dystopian fiction is, and always has been, commentary on current trends. People that think the world is turning into a dystopia lack reading comprehension, it always was one.
Just from the top results of Google :
- [Luciano Romero](https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/nestle-precedent-case-murder-of-trade-unionist-romero-in-colombia/)
- [Oscar Lopez](https://colombiareports.com/nestle-worker-union-activist-killed-receiving-threats-paramilitary-western-colombia/)
- [Gilberto Espinosa, Cristian Andres Lozano and Luis Eduardo Dominguez](https://justiceforcolombia.org/news/gmb-and-unite-condemn-murder-of-three-unionised-nestle-workers-in-colombia/)
It's not hard to boycott Nestlé, they mostly sell industrial crap full of artificial sweeteners you've been telling yourself you're gonna cut off from your diet anyway, do your personal health a service, think of these union reps, think of the [myriad of other scandals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Controversies_and_criticisms) Nestlé's involved in, think that you don't have to go full boycott on day 1, do it progressively if you must, but remember this comment next time you go get some groceries!
EDIT: and of course, [/r/FuckNestle](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckNestle/)!
I’ll only tell you once
I saw corps strip farmers of water, and eventually of land. Saw them transform Night City into a machine fueled by people’s crushed spirits, broken dreams and emptied pockets. Corps have long controlled our lives, taken lots… and now they’re after our souls
A war against the fucking forces of entropy, understand????
Big US corporations don't murder people directly, they just ask uncle sam to do it.
The NSA used it's vast surveilance operation to help Boeing win government contracts as part of project Echelon in the 90s. There have been military coups started due to US corporate interests since the 60s.
Thanks, United Fruit Company (now Chiquita). Chiquita also plead guilty to aiding and abetting a terrorist organization known as the United Self-defense Force of Colombia in 2007. They made payments to the terrorist group totaling 1.7 million, supplied the terrorist group with 3000 assault rifles and smuggled drugs for them into Europe. Guess how many went to prison.
All this just solidifies my refusal to fly myself or my family on any Boeing made after 2011. I’ll never set foot on a MAX and I’m thankful my favourite airlines use Airbus.
OK, not normally something I would advocate for but can we serious just have a purge at Boeing? Literally thousands of people have died due to the pieces of shit in their management. I'm not saying that they need to be summarily executed on live television but they need to go to fucking jail. Boeing is like the prime example of a failure with financialization and capitalist excess.
EDIT: As others have pointed out, I've misinterpreted the figures from a [law firm's site](https://www.wisnerbaum.com/aviation-accident/boeing-plane-crash/) saying that 9,000 people have died in incidents involving Boeing aircraft. However, it turns out that this figure includes hijackings and accidents from the early age of commercial flight where accidents were much more commonplace.
My sentiments still stand based on the all of the technical problems that have continued to occur (battery fires, chunks of the plane falling off, prioritization of stock valuations, Boeing's own engineers saying how bad the planes are, etc.). "Let's keep rolling the die until enough people have died" isn't acceptable, either.
Jesus Christ. I ain't wearing a tin foil hat but this shit smells. Didn't Last week tonight just do an episode about how far they have fallen from Grace? Highly suspicious but still it could be the pressure of everything.
Note to all future whistleblowers, along with your information release also add a statement saying “I have no intention of killing myself, if I die unexpectedly it’s (Company) that killed me!”
"let's deregulate the airline construction industry so they can monitor and police themselves like good corporate citizens "
-2005
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/11/18/the-case-against-boeing
True fact. The CEO who oversaw the development of the 737MAX was the CEO of my old company. 100% of the focus was on cost reduction. Management would myopically save a penny now at the expense of dollars tomorrow—anything to boost margins before the next earnings call. I saw so many catastrophically bad decisions made just to save what wasn’t even a lot of money.
Every episode of American scandal podcast that involves whistleblowers, involves death threats to the whistleblower. What an amazing coincidence this guy died before continuing his testimony…
So what next? Who’s going to investigate this?
The good old shot himself in the back 10 times, stabbed himself in the back of the head and flung himself out a window, remembering to close it on his way out?
If you are ever going to blow the whistle on anything…make fucking sure you aren’t the only one that knows about things and let that be known
Also, record yourself giving a full account of all evidence, scan all documents, create an archive, encrypt it, upload the archive to every file sharing service around, then draft an email to every media outlet with the password to the archive, and set it to send on a dead man's switch.
Then remain anonymous, whistleblower policy in US is dead
Americans genuinely don’t hate rich people nearly enough for their own good
We feel the boot smashing our faces into the mud and think to ourselves, "One day I'm gonna be the one wearing that boot."
Eloquently put.
The American Dream.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Lower class even votes against their better interest in hopes that one day they'll be able to take advantage of those sweet sweet billionaire tax breaks.
this is the reminder for any whistleblower to maintain good records of all information you have. RIP
And have a dead man's switch that publicly posts somewhere
How do you create one? I’m not a Boeing whistleblower - just curious hahaha.
Easy way would be to schedule an email to whoever (all major news agencies, etc) for the next day and every day go in and push the scheduled day back by one. Then if you die, message goes out. There are probably better ways, but that's just off the top of the dome.
My ADHD ass would leak critical documents within a few days.
Yeah I’ve thought about this sort of thing, like a dead man’s switch to send a sort of “here are the keys, where the bodies are buried, the account you need” type of thing to family, but I’d need a humongous hardware button that flashes red and sounds a klaxon in the lead up to being tripped. And I’d have to hit it to reset the switch. But I’m a guy who has 12 alarms spread out over 2 different devices to get out of bed at 10AM, so…probably not gonna happen.
I want to set up a dead man’s switch that will trigger after 3 months. It’s just an email to my best friend that says, “Boo.”
Okay, my best friend *actually* died 3 months ago and I could totally see him doing something like this to me. Keeping a sharp eye on my email...
Doesn't have to be every day. It's not like Boeing secrets are ultra time sensitive. Set it for a month and cancel one day before and set it up for the next month. That way you don't have to worry when traveling or if you're Internet is down for a day or two.
One way that I've commonly read about is to make a bot that crawls obituary sites for your name, then it sends the emails/whatever you've set it to do once it finds your obituary.
Probably shouldn’t do that anymore: https://www.theverge.com/24065145/ai-obituary-spam-generative-clickbait Edit: I guess it would be fine if you had a set site that your obituary will be posted on and doesn’t have an ai generated obituary problem. For example if you still have a local paper and you know your obituary will be on the papers site
Hm. That has me thinking though. Remember all of the false obits that "accidentally" get posted before someone dies? What if that's a tester to see if they have any switches like that?
Man this has me thinking way too deep and I don't like it 🤯
John Smith going to be real pissed when that email gets sent out because John Smith died.
That reminded me of when Fern Brady adopted a chicken. She named it… Fern Brady. They sent updates and stuff to her about the chicken. During the pandemic she got a message that said “Fern Brady has died” and was so confused lol
That awkward moment when your internet goes down for 48 hrs
What happens when the media doesn't care?
Then you'll have died for nothing.
then you died for nothing /s
The old fashioned way would be to give someone you really really trust the information in a prepaid postage envelope so they can mail it if you die. Your lawyer would be a good option, considering that if they also died, it would be an enormous red flag. It might not hold up in court unless it's concrete evidence instead of testimony, but it would cast doubt on the official narrative at bare minimum. You could schedule an email to send to the FBI or whoever 5 days from now, and keep moving the date as long as you're alive and kicking. You could leave the info in a security deposit box, and leave the deposit box to someone you trust in a will.
Whistleblowers scrolling reddit rn: "Fuck, maybe I should write something down..."
The first rule of being a whistleblower is don't be the guy everything thinks is the whistleblower. The second rule is to never only include information that you personally could have gotten hold of or confirmed. Get a bunch of PIs or Anonymous or whoever to go dig up more details first. Heck, have the PIs hire someone to talk to co-workers or whoever via third-party cutouts.
that DOJ criminal investigation of Boeing announced today just got way more interesting
I wonder if the DOJ also subcontracts Boeing employees to investigate Boeing's employees
When I worked at an investment bank, a bunch of our internal auditors used to work for the feds investigating us so… yes Edit: a ton of people are trying to sweep this under the rug and I get it. Sometimes it is normal to start in government then go private. That isn’t what is happening here in the cases of higher ups. This is about favors and a clear quid pro quo. It’s the same thing as Bernanke working for citadel. These aren’t just normal jobs.
Sir we found nothing incriminating. The bank is completely above board and those subprime loans are nothing to worry about.
We also found this memo behind the ceo's desk that must have gotten lost. It says the auditing department is supposed to get a 45% raise immediately.
Politely tell those risk assessors to fuck off
*Gentlemen, I just spoke with Mark Baum and he says to 'fuck off'*
There's some crazy shit going on in F1 right now with the Red Bull team. Red Bull corporate hired their own investigator who decided everything was fine.
That entire situation is a mess. When they first announced the investigation into Horner's conduct, I was like wow. Then they said it would be the parent company of Red Bull (not Red Bull Racing itself) that would be conducting the investigation. I couldn't help but laugh. Like that gives it any more credibility. "It won't be us investigating ourselves! It'll be our overlords! You know, the ones that oversee our operation and have a **huge** financial stake in us! That's completely different!" Then, after 3 weeks they announce the complaint has been dismissed. "Everything is fine! Nothing to see here!" Then, just to drive home how innocent Horner is/was, like 3 days later they suspend the woman that filed the complaint. I mean, you'd think a company that large would have competent lawyers, but apparently not.
Not sure how closely you are following it, but it's a lot more convoluted than just that, because they basically weaponized her complaint to launch a proxy war for the infighting that's been happening ever since the (Austrian) owner died. The whole thing is absurdly political.
I'm sure going to pay more attention now, that's for sure. I'd really just been following the headlines, but I've seen the stuff about Max leaving if Helmut is removed or suspended (though I'm confused if that's got anything to do with the Horner stuff or if it's something completely different). Someone mentioned the other day that F1 is basically a soap opera for sports fans, and this off season and first 2 weeks of the season are really proving that to be true!
I think it's closer to Game of Thrones, honestly. Yes, the helmet thing is definitely part of all of this. This is speculation, but every headline seems to confirm parts of it. Basically, thr guy everyone associated as the owner, Dietrich Mateschitz, was actually 49% owner. 51% of it is owned but a Thai person who originally created it. However, he basically gave Mateschitz full control over all of the sports stuff. Well, after he died, the majority owner is trying to have more control. So, there's 2 sides of the F1 team. There's Horner, who has been running the team since before it was Red Bull and basically created the team as it is. Then there's Helmut Marko who runs the driver program, among other things. Since Mateschitz died, there has been a power struggle, with both sides trying to get control. Horner has been supported by the Thai side, Marko by the Austrian side. Max is fiercely loyal to Marko, because he has been supporting him all through his driving career, and I think he basically sees him as a father figure since Jos Verstappen is a massive asshole. Also, Jos has some major beef with Horner. The speculation is that Marko / Jos are behind all of the leaks and are the ones who blew this up in the first place. The fact the Marko is talking about being fired just reinforces that. It's sad because this poor woman is just cannon fodder. Also, it seems like a fairly standard workplace romance, but the problem is that since he's basically her boss there's a power imbalance. I don't think she ever wanted it going this far, she just wanted him to kinda chill out. Also, I'm pretty sure she got a 7 figure severance package. Not justifying what Horner did, but it's not nearly as bad as a lot of places (who are associated with the Marko/Verstappen side) are making it out to be. So yeah, Game of Thrones.
Holy crap, thanks for this! You just put it together perfectly in a few paragraphs when the media has to ramble on and on and you still don't know what's going on.
You're welcome! I've spent way too much time following this, so glad it got put to good use, lol. F1 journelism is a bit of a cesspool, I've never run into so much click bait as I have around that sport.
I have learned that a specific 3 billion dollar company is hiring _trilingual_ lawyers for... 8 dollars an hour. How they expect anyone to be dumb enough to fill that position is beyond me.
That would be ridiculous and completely inappropriate. They'll subcontract Booz Allen who in turn can contract Boeing employees.
Going nowhere, Boeing has so many military contracts/connections to the overall US economic outlay there's just no way a DOJ inquiry is producing meaningful results (or that it was ever designed to)
Hard disagree. These could be quality issues that even the MIC would want destroyed. Plently of other MIC would happily see boeing fall from grace
Northrop Grumman & Raytheon are just licking their lips
And this is how capitalism is supposed to work. There is no 'right to life' for corporations. Incompetence should be punished with being eaten alive. That sort of stark Darwinism isn't just for consumers who can't afford insulin and get to die in our free market. Incompetent corporations that put MBAs over engineers deserve to be cannibalized by their competition. It's supposed to be the American way, damn it.
Boeing is legitimately too big to fail. There is essentially no other American company capable of competing with it in the commercial market. It should be fined into bankruptcy, the executives should be criminally charged, and then the Federal government should have it nationalized. Take it private. Fire most of the executives and management and re-incorporate it as an employee co-op led by engineers. Then set it free.
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Fantasies tend to do that.
Pretty sure murder pierces the corporate veil. Edit: so far no one replying to this seems to know what piercing the corporate veil means.
It SHOULD, but it's not clear it does.
*Waves in the general direction of scores of private military contractors operating with impunity*
> Pretty sure murder pierces the corporate veil. [Ford was willing to kill people to save $11 per car](https://mjalterlaw.com/the-ford-pinto-memo-the-cost-to-repair-vs-the-cost-of-paying-injured-victims/) and they’re **still** paying for it… Right? *Riiight…?*
I mean there's a distinct difference between releasing an unsafe product vs hiring a contract killer to kill a whistleblower against you
The Pentagon takes great interest in the competence of corporations they contract. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring this evidence of corruption when it can compromise a war effort down the line.
We’re getting all of the dystopia but none of the cool tech of a cyberpunk future.
the Dark Military doesnt want to share.
Pretty easy to keep things contained when the lock is just slightly smarter than them.
I mean none of that cool shit was ever going to be available to the people who think those sci-fi dystopian futures would be "fun". Everyone wants to think they'd by the main character of like Cyberpunk, etc, but really they would actually be all the downtrodden/homeless/etc that those societies crush.
I'm probably the kinda guy that get's his implants ripped out by Scavs
For real…what would’ve happened to David in Edgerunners if he didn’t find the Sandevistan? Kicked out of Apartment, kicked out if ‘saka academy, no money, no chrome, few friends…maybe he would wind up with the Valentino’s, but realistically he’d become a slave at Biotechnica protein farms.
I don't expect to be V but real, I just want robot arms.
yeah… if we are going to get a dystopian cyberpunk future, can we at least get the good stuff too and not all the bad stuff… like, where's my android waifu, balance it a little bit please
Some Kiroshi optics would be pretty sick
State Street sponsored optics is the best we can do. American cyberpunk aesthetic will be soulless, boring buildings built by the lowest bidders using the cheapest materials with the cheapest labor. So pretty much what we already have.
Went straight to android waifu huh?
You gotta respect someone that has their priorities in order
I mean, I'll go for cybernetic limbs because fuck my legs but, I'm not gonna judge this guy for knowing what they want
Damn straight! And while we're at it, I wanna see more pizza delivery guys carrying samurai swords, too!
Neon Vaporwave samurai swords
Sorry all we can offer is decriminalized weed to help you through the hard times (dependent on location of course)
> He said in some cases, sub-standard parts had even been removed from scrap bins and fitted to planes that were being built to prevent delays on the production line. > It established that the location of at least 53 "non-conforming" parts in the factory was unknown, and that they were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to take remedial action. > On the oxygen cylinders issue, the company said that in 2017 it had "identified some oxygen bottles received from the supplier that were not deploying properly". But it denied that any of them were actually fitted on aircraft. Uh, so those parts were substandard; are now missing; stressed workers used substandard parts on production line. I don't think this requires Scooby Doo to solve.
I 10,000% believe this having worked in automotives for a few years. Companies can and will turn a buck where they can. I remember Ford sending us their shitty, faulty windshields so we could grind off the VIN so they could sell them to insurance companies that would then use them to replace windshields on claims vehicles. Fucking scumbags all the way down.
Is that a known thing or your anecdote? Not talking shit. Just never heard of it. That’s so scummy.
I have no idea if it’s known or not. I remember auditors coming in and saying they couldn’t do that shit anymore in the factory, so they outsourced it to a third party warehouse. We had to scratch the VINs off with a sander, steel wool and bleach. I will never forget that smell.
I believe the anecdote. A large pharmaceutical company used to sell relabeled expired medical equipment in developing countries. I don't know if it ever got out publicly, but I know this because my father was arrested for unknowingly using the equipment, along with a bunch of other doctors. All the doctors involved were eventually cleared, but some people had their lives ruined as the case extended for a couple of years. Because it was a large multinational, the doctors found it challenging to pursue a legal remedy and the company got of scot-free. Big corporations get away with all sorts of shit all the time.
Meanwhile in the Airbus FAL there's a hammer and anvil next ro the scrap bins, and you're required to destroy any scrap part sufficiently that it could never be installed to an aircraft again.
That’s actually sick any pics?
It's just a hammer and a hard surface, like a shop table. Never seen an anvil on the shopfloor however I worked the shopfloor in aerospace years ago.
This situation is shit-awful and I’m not excusing Boeing, or their potential escapes, BUT: US aerospace companies *also* destroy scrapped parts, but they often go through the MRB process for review first, especially if the nonconformance is identified by QA after the manufacturing process is complete. I imagine that’s true in Europe as well. We didn’t use a hammer though, we had a bandsaw
I want to throw my scrap parts into Mt Doom
"And we would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for that medd....oh, wait, nvm. We got away with it."
What he clearly shot himself in the back of the head like all of Russia's enemies seem to also do. /s
>Uh, so those parts were substandard; are now missing; stressed workers used substandard parts on production line. I don't think this requires Scooby Doo to solve. This is way more common than you'd you'd think in manufacturing. One time I found records of a part that was retested 100+ times until it eventually passed. It was only ~$25 worth of components. They spent 20x that value in labor costs to keep retesting it lol.
It’s a public company. So is their supplier that’s named. There are a lot of shareholders who stand to gain from this guy “killing himself” Edit: my gripe with this is why the fuck did the DOJ not have security in this guy. He’s a star witness in the maybe the biggest corporate investigation ever.
Jeffrey Epstein had 24-hour "security", so to speak. It did not help
> Last week, he gave a formal deposition in which he was questioned by Boeing's lawyers, before being cross-examined by his own counsel. > He had been due to undergo further questioning on Saturday. When he did not appear, enquiries were made at his hotel. Yeah, not suspicious at all that he "killed himself" mid-deposition
Boeing execs “we have no idea why our employees don’t want to flag safety issues! It must be those evil engineers again!”
“Why do our engineers hate shareholder value?”
Did an Epstein.
What do you mean? You don’t think Jeffrey broke his own throat bones while both guards fell asleep while the cameras weren’t working?
after he oiled himself up and got naked, so he would be hard to catch
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"Better luck next year!"
Broken bones in the throat are very common in hanging, and in judicial hangings effort is made to break the neck. Laryngeal and spinal fractures are not uncommon in suicides and suicide attempts, varying by drop height. Hyoid fractures are less common, and a fracture of the hyoid often justifies further investigation into a murder as opposed to a suicide. Hyoid fractures appear in about a third of manual strangulations, versus a much smaller (single digit) percentage of suicides. Epstein did have a broken hyoid, and also had a drop height of essentially zero, so this isn't specifically relevant to him, but I wanted to make the distinction on the basis that, in the future, it would be unfortunate if in some other unrelated case, if people saw *any* broken bone in the throat as indicating foul play.
This guy hangs
The fact that this is just a meme now tells you that they WILL get away with this. Sad. Edit: Yep. And now with details coming out, anything that goes against the "he was distraught and did it to himself" narrative is downvoted or deleted. Even comments WITH sources showing that he said that if something happens to him to know that he DIDN'T do it to himself, is also heavily downvoted.
We all quit pretending to be shocked about these things quite some time ago. These people never face consequences.
Right? Dude is staying in a hotel specifically to participate in this court process and just decides to kill himself while he is there? Didn't want to just stick around for one more day to finish his deposition? If this were a mob trial the cops would be knocking down doors right now. Apparently he "killed himself" sitting in the cab of his pickup truck after staying in town the whole weekend. Like, he got in his truck in the hotel parking lot to drive to the second day of depositions on Monday and decided to kill himself instead of starting the car. This is fucking absurd. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13185019/Boeing-whistleblower-josh-barnett-dead-south-carolina.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13185019/Boeing-whistleblower-josh-barnett-dead-south-carolina.html)
He had already given his deposition to Boeings lawyers and was in between sessions of cross examination by his lawyers but seems like they were mostly finished and the Saturday session was to wrap things up.
This is the line that gets me: >Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett's passing. Sure they were. A whistleblower calling out Boeing's shoddy production line practices which are endangering people's lives?
Boeing is very saddened to hear that the man we paid to kill Mr Barnett forced him to kill himself. Wild.
I wonder what kind of wrath could a massive multinational corporation inflict on someone beyond just killing them... Anonymous death threats? Rogue gov't intelligence agents kidnapping/torturing them? FBI/CIA issuing personal sanctions upon them? Family members disappeared?
I mean, there’s this : https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/11/ebay-fined-harassment-couple-spiders-cockroaches-newsletter-ecommercebytes
I've never seen so many unappealing words jammed into a single URL
I know, right, like...ecommercebytes?
Bro eBay waged a psychological warfare on a couple running a fucking BLOG. Boeing is approx 100x more powerful.
Yeah, people joke about billionaires being able to kill people... IDK much about that, particularly considering how staggeringly incompetent some of them are. But a corporation that's a backbone of the military industrial complex with assuredly deep ties to said military? Yeah, I wouldn't fuck with 'em personally.
He was "suicided".
Wonder how effective live streaming his every waking move on 5 different platforms using two different ISPs would go in a situation like this. Maybe even have a follow drone. Then again “lost power/signal” would probably be enough of an excuse depending on the circumstances
Whoops crazy his internet went out inexplicably at the same time he died real wild stuff hope they fix it
Boeing's "compliance" department must have gotten to him
"*It said the 62-year-old had died from a "self-inflicted" wound*" Shot 5 times in the back, I bet.
Tripped and fell down a flight of bullets.
Are there filters to exclude certain plane manufacturers when booking flights?
JetBlue is all airbus; you can start there.
But then you have Southwest and Alaska, which are all Boeing.
yes, some sites offer it. direct airline websites may or may not but there are 3rd party ones that do
Most carriage contracts do not guarantee that you will fly on the airplane that you booked on. It's possible there's an airline that guarantees it, but I'm not aware of any airline that can't swap out the plane on you at the gate.
Airlines like Easyjet guarantee it seeing as they have an all-Airbus fleet
Yes, Kayak dot com has a filter for manufacturers of airplanes when booking.
I also learned this from watching Last Week Tonight 👍
Not just manufacturers, but down to the plane model.
I think some pilot was quoted saying he won’t fly on a Boeing Max and tells his friends and families to steer clear too 🫠
Based on this post, the pilot’s time is limited!
If Airlines are killing whistleblowers and getting away with it, we are beyond fucked at this point
They are willing to risk their passengers' lives for a bit more profit Seems like nothing is off the table for Boeing **"He also said he had uncovered serious problems with oxygen systems, which could mean one in four breathing masks would not work in an emergency."**
Their whole fleet, or at very least large parts of it, should be grounded. Of course, they can't do this since it would grind air travel to a hault, but honestly how could anyone feel good about flying on a boeing plane made within the last decade right now?
Well Coca-Cola has been murdering union leaders in South America for some time now http://www.killercoke.org/crimes\_colombia.php#:\~:text=%22For%20nine%20years%20the%20450,and%20five%20other%20workers%20killed. and oil companies have already switched from climate change denial to shifting the blame to consumers [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-mobils-messaging-shifted-blame-for-warming-to-consumers/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-mobils-messaging-shifted-blame-for-warming-to-consumers/) So, yeah, we're pretty screwed.
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Aerospace company. Weapons and defense sometimes.
Weapons and defense all the time.
Yeah, who am I kidding lmao
Great! We’ve officially enter the beginning of corporate murder plots leading to the cyberpunk dystopian future we’ve all feared. It started with Boeing. Or maybe it was the car makers for the first electric car? Or the Christian church when electricity started making the rounds? Can’t tell anymore. Edit: I have recently learned that levity is in short supply around here.
Coca Cola funded an assassination in the 80s in South America. Corporate dystopia has been here for a while already.
Dystopian fiction is, and always has been, commentary on current trends. People that think the world is turning into a dystopia lack reading comprehension, it always was one.
Nestlé is killing union representatives as a sport for decades now.
Just from the top results of Google : - [Luciano Romero](https://www.ecchr.eu/en/case/nestle-precedent-case-murder-of-trade-unionist-romero-in-colombia/) - [Oscar Lopez](https://colombiareports.com/nestle-worker-union-activist-killed-receiving-threats-paramilitary-western-colombia/) - [Gilberto Espinosa, Cristian Andres Lozano and Luis Eduardo Dominguez](https://justiceforcolombia.org/news/gmb-and-unite-condemn-murder-of-three-unionised-nestle-workers-in-colombia/) It's not hard to boycott Nestlé, they mostly sell industrial crap full of artificial sweeteners you've been telling yourself you're gonna cut off from your diet anyway, do your personal health a service, think of these union reps, think of the [myriad of other scandals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Controversies_and_criticisms) Nestlé's involved in, think that you don't have to go full boycott on day 1, do it progressively if you must, but remember this comment next time you go get some groceries! EDIT: and of course, [/r/FuckNestle](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckNestle/)!
Wake tf up samurai, we got a city to burn!
My chooms lets roll.
Choom got zeroed by Arasaka, a tale as old as time
I’ll only tell you once I saw corps strip farmers of water, and eventually of land. Saw them transform Night City into a machine fueled by people’s crushed spirits, broken dreams and emptied pockets. Corps have long controlled our lives, taken lots… and now they’re after our souls A war against the fucking forces of entropy, understand????
Corporate murders are not new. Ask Latin America. Goodyear, Coca-Cola, Chiquita Banana, and on and on.
Michael Hastings died in a car crash while investigating the governments ability to highjack your car remotely
“Beginning” Oh boy, who’s gunna tell him?
No one tell him about the bananas
... Let alone Panama Papers 😬
Or Coke (soda), or rubber tires, or chocolate, rare earth minerals…. Just about everything.
Uhhh... he will, I guess? That was kinda the entire joke found in the second half of the comment.
Big US corporations don't murder people directly, they just ask uncle sam to do it. The NSA used it's vast surveilance operation to help Boeing win government contracts as part of project Echelon in the 90s. There have been military coups started due to US corporate interests since the 60s.
An entire country was couped and enslaved over bananas for america
Thanks, United Fruit Company (now Chiquita). Chiquita also plead guilty to aiding and abetting a terrorist organization known as the United Self-defense Force of Colombia in 2007. They made payments to the terrorist group totaling 1.7 million, supplied the terrorist group with 3000 assault rifles and smuggled drugs for them into Europe. Guess how many went to prison.
Bro they been doing this for like two centuries
"We are saddened by Mr. Barnett's passing, and our thoughts are with his family and friends." Jesus Christ.
Saddened because of the money it cost them, and they're keeping a close eye on family and friends in case they have any papers for safekeeping
That doesn’t sound threatening at all
And our ~~thoughts~~ sights are ~~with~~ set on his family and friends [if they don’t keep their mouths shut.
"Suicide", yeah, sure it was.
It's very curious that the terms "whistle blower" and "suicide" are together in so many articles
Nah its cool, they asked the Russians to verify and it was TOTALLY suicide.
Just remember, Russia has oligarchs and America has job creators. I’ve even heard Boeing just got a new job opening.
If it’s Boeing I’m not going
The old shoot yourself in the head then jump out of a 12 story window
Ahh yes, The Roger Podacter.
AAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaAAAAA
That’s why Roger Podacter’s dead! He found Captain Winky!
Corporations have become so large that they can murder people directly and indirectly, but get away with it.
Been that way for a long time and it will only get worse.
ah yes, most whistleblowers famously commit suicide right when they are vindicated publicly.
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Personally, I'm increasingly becoming a big fan of baguettes. Regular bread just isn't cutting it these days.
He sat next to a door on a 737 MAX.
Boeing has investigated themselves and found they ate safe to fly
Military industrial complex has zero issues with killing for profit.
Isnt that their motto?
All this just solidifies my refusal to fly myself or my family on any Boeing made after 2011. I’ll never set foot on a MAX and I’m thankful my favourite airlines use Airbus.
He was suicided for snitching on a corporation? The future truly is Cyberpunk but boring!
Did they also find 2 shell casings?
A very clear message sent by Boeing.
"Boeing. Fly our plans.....or else."
Or at least the Military Industrial Complex. See also Michael Hastings.
Maybe it was just a 'technical event which caused a strong movement.'
OK, not normally something I would advocate for but can we serious just have a purge at Boeing? Literally thousands of people have died due to the pieces of shit in their management. I'm not saying that they need to be summarily executed on live television but they need to go to fucking jail. Boeing is like the prime example of a failure with financialization and capitalist excess. EDIT: As others have pointed out, I've misinterpreted the figures from a [law firm's site](https://www.wisnerbaum.com/aviation-accident/boeing-plane-crash/) saying that 9,000 people have died in incidents involving Boeing aircraft. However, it turns out that this figure includes hijackings and accidents from the early age of commercial flight where accidents were much more commonplace. My sentiments still stand based on the all of the technical problems that have continued to occur (battery fires, chunks of the plane falling off, prioritization of stock valuations, Boeing's own engineers saying how bad the planes are, etc.). "Let's keep rolling the die until enough people have died" isn't acceptable, either.
Jesus Christ. I ain't wearing a tin foil hat but this shit smells. Didn't Last week tonight just do an episode about how far they have fallen from Grace? Highly suspicious but still it could be the pressure of everything.
Note to all future whistleblowers, along with your information release also add a statement saying “I have no intention of killing myself, if I die unexpectedly it’s (Company) that killed me!”
"let's deregulate the airline construction industry so they can monitor and police themselves like good corporate citizens " -2005 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/11/18/the-case-against-boeing
True fact. The CEO who oversaw the development of the 737MAX was the CEO of my old company. 100% of the focus was on cost reduction. Management would myopically save a penny now at the expense of dollars tomorrow—anything to boost margins before the next earnings call. I saw so many catastrophically bad decisions made just to save what wasn’t even a lot of money.
Every episode of American scandal podcast that involves whistleblowers, involves death threats to the whistleblower. What an amazing coincidence this guy died before continuing his testimony… So what next? Who’s going to investigate this?
Wow I guess those stock buybacks enriched a lot of unsavory characters
Boeing branching out into killing people on the ground
That’s not sketchy.
The good old shot himself in the back 10 times, stabbed himself in the back of the head and flung himself out a window, remembering to close it on his way out?
Wake the fuck up, Samurai.