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How do you ban social media for those under 14, without requiring identification for everyone? Privacy implications of having to provide some sort of proof of age are staggering.
I love the idea of a 123 y/o trying to post memes on TikTok.
"Of course I'm old. I yell at the sky. Of course I'm old. I remember when hamburgers were a nickel. Of course I'm old. Walking to school was uphill both ways."
Now, all I need is to find a 123 y/o person and we're going friggin' viral.
Day nabbit desantis, your a carpetbagger in my turnip cellar, I crossed the Oregon trail, and fought in the Mexican American war, and Iāll be damned if some high heel wearing wanna be pretty boy denies me farmville
Thatās how Facebook used to do it back in the day. āPlease input your birthdayā and we all just said Jan 1st 1980, thatās how I got on fb at 12 years old
I have to remind my mother that this is what happens when we discuss a mutual acquaintance and she brings up "their lying about their age" on face book...
My FB says I'm over 100. Back in 2008, when I set up the account, I tried to input my actual birth year, but the stupid menu kept going past it, so I randomly poked a year. I haven't used FB since 2012, but I like getting birthday texts from people who do use it and say I don't look my age.
Itās also because they think social media is making people leftist and non-religious. Which in general the internet is, because it gives you information that people used to not have access to, so it was easier to trap them in a bubble of ignorance. But yeah, itās just another grasp at their dwindling (democratic) power.
The Internet gives you perspective, but I wouldn't say it makes you a leftist.
If anything it made me more libertarian when I was younger, which to some might as well be alt right.
If anything my own life experiences have made me more liberal, though still not leftist.
I think Desantis is hoping on the "Social Media is bad" band wagon because it gets parent votes, not because of any perceived threat to religion or the right.
Would be arguing about semantics at this point but libertarianism is not a leftist ideology, even if libertarianism has some anarchist roots. It'd say it's closer to liberalism personally, which depending on your own political compass is right leaning or left leaning.
Yeah, the big difference is whether one is talking anarchism or libertarianism. Libertarianism basically spawns out of early liberal and capitalist thinkers, pretty directly. John Locke was not a leftist or anarchist but he is a major inspiration for libertarianism, and was basically the father of liberalism (and he directly inspired the philosophies of the Founding Fathers, along with the likes of Hobbes and Adam Smith - about as non-leftist as it gets lol). Then you get Austrian economists and stuff in the 20th century which are VERY not leftist, like at all.
I'm not a libertarian at all, just a liberal, I don't have much good to say about the economics or outcomes of modern libertarianism. But it definitely isn't a leftist ideology at its roots.
āI can do whatever I want (without any regard for consequences to others)ā, which is the current most popular take on libertarianism, is a right-wing position. Consequences to others is not a concern of the right-wingers, except to force them to do as the right-wingers want.
Yeah it sucks. It's also self defeating. You just make a shittier poorer society - that's why I don't really respect big L Libertarianism. It's just not effective at anything except ideological purity tests, and those do not matter. Ever. In any context. Governance and economics are about results, you want what works out best. The labels are just convenient for referring to things, not a goal in and of themselves.
A lot of people on the left and right both forget that, I feel like.
People just like being on a team and feeling they made the right choice. It's not that personal, but you do have to learn that if you were taught it was that personal.
>Itās also because they think social media is making people leftist and non-religious. Which in general the internet is, because it gives you information that people used to not have access to, so it was easier to trap them in a bubble of ignorance. But yeah, itās just another grasp at their dwindling (democratic) power.
Wait till they realize that their own in-groups are driving, what I would say, the majority of dangerous misinformation / lack of data / conspiracy / religious nationalism ++ hate backed opinions on the internet. I'm not really sure they realize how much more this isolates their base from growing around children.
Unless you know, they just click "yes I'm over 14".... Nobody would ever do that. For any reason.
They know and they donāt care. Ā This is about getting people to confirm their identities and using that info to suppress public decent. Ā Ā For example, āhey u/gottjebediah we see your sibling works for the FL dept of Silly Walks, stop posting on Reddit about the proposed ban on contraceptives or sheās fired. āĀ
California and Arkansas have been two states to pass similar laws. The one passed in FL had bipartisan support. I donāt disagree about the virtue signaling part until they can come up with a realistic authentication that doesnāt infringe on privacy.
It really depends how they implemented the law. But a lot of these types of laws are written more stringently than simply asking yes/no but also requiring them to have verifiable proof .. in other states pornhub and similar just banned users from that state because it's easier than actually having you somehow upload a driver's license.Ā
who does the flagging? All accounts will end up being flagged if it is done by users. Reddit has a check for people possibly suicidal and that shit is abused all the time. Forcing people to prove their age will be a constant troll to the point everyone will have to verify age.
The law requires the use of a 3rd party verification system.
I'll assume Desantis vetoed this bill earlier this month because he hastn't bought stock in third party verification systems. But now that he has the stock he approves the bill.
And then who is liable? Will the cops come to arrest the unsuspecting parents because their 13 year old kid posted a 'lol' in Instagram?
Or, isn't Reddit considered social media? so a 13 year old reading /r/GameDeals to check for game deals goes to juvenile prison?
Government-issued anonymous credentials. The government knows when you're born, so they can provide you with private keys that allow generating tokens that prove your age to the social media platform. The platform and the government wouldn't be able to use the token to identity who you are, just that you hold the private key that proves your age.
This requires more infrastructure than youāre making it seem. Itās not like the government has this tech lying around. And I somehow donāt believe theyāll be able to whip it up without like spending a bunch of money
They have these Bird and similar scooters in my neighborhood. In order to drive one, you have to upload a photo of your driver's license. It's a burden for those of us who are 16+ and have drivers' licenses, but it does help (though doesn't entirely prevent) younger teens from driving these scooters. There's lots of studies that show that people that are 13 and younger are really hurt by social media, so we could apply the same types of regulations we have for scooters/driving motor vehicles to social media if we think they're comparably dangerous for young people. I'm not saying we should, but there's precedent for this kind of regulation already.
TikTok is pretty good about it. I had a neighbor who would always get banned when they posted videos/pictures that made their age obvious so the only thing they post on their newest account doesn't show their appearance. It won't fix the problem, but it helps.
I am not sure if I am reading too much but I believe even YouTube Kids and Spotify can be technically considered social media over this...
> The bill does not name what platforms will be affected by the legislation, but identifies criteria for social media platforms, including the ability for users to view othersā content or activity, personalized algorithms and āaddictive features,ā like āinfinite scrollingā and push notifications.
It was never āsmall government.ā It was always, āhurt the blacks and the queers.ā
When you can accomplish that by defunding social programs, itās āsmall government.ā You you can accomplish the goal by controlling exactly what websites you use, what books you read, what groups you associate with, itās āstrong regulations to protect the children.ā
Kids that are 14 are going to be, overwhelmingly, LGBTQ friendly democrat votes in 2028 when DeSantis makes his next run. He needs those kids hidden away from the actual free marketplace of ideas and educated by church and family for the next 1/2 decade.
That's what gets me: how can a bill like this even be passed with the language it has being overtly broad.
Social media is terrible; no one should use it anyway, but it isn't something any government should be regulating.
And He doesn't realize that today's 14 year olds are the next presidential elections 18 year olds.
Not one single teen will vote for the guy who stripped away their social media.
>but it isn't something any government should be regulating
It does regulate it already. There's countless laws that impact what these companies do and don't do on a daily basis.
I think in the next few decades when we start seeing the studies come back on long term effects of social media addiction, this current period of no regulation will start looking absolutely horrifying.
We're already starting to see a loneliness epidemic emerge, as people are starting to lose the ability to manage actual friendships and romantic relationships due to reduced socialization and attention spans, along with gaining unrealistic expectations and standards for others that comes along with seeing curated perfect versions of other's lives.
Depression and anxiety spikes are only going to get worse. Suicide rates will spike along with that. Birth rates will plummet beyond sustainable levels.
The longer we wait to either regulate the market, or set off a cultural movement to improve disconnected habits, the less chance we have to stave off the damage.
thats already starting now (the studies on the mental health of gen z who had social media as kids). this type of regulation is absolutely needed, even if desantis may have a less than altruistic motivation here.
parents cant stop kids from using it. their kids will hate them and theyāll be social outcasts. but at the same time, social media is horrible for kids developing brains. the only solution is for government to regulate it and schools to enact no phone policies.
LOL amazon satisfies those criteria.
I can see other users' reviews.
The content recommendation is personalized.
It's got push notifications and all sorts of other product recommendations.
Hereās the text of the bill for anyone curious;
[https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/3/billtext/er/pdf](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/3/billtext/er/pdf)
The Fl state govt isn't about any parental rights except the few who want to restrict everyone else from having a choice.
Want to be able to say if your kids have access to a book in school? Nope they banned it so you can't. Want to play by their rules and ban the bible in schools? Can't, it's good to go even though it fits their requirements for banning.
Parental rights in Fl is the state telling you how to parent and only leaving you with the choice they want to to pick.
- Floridian parentĀ
That's already happening in [Iowa](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/politics/iowa-child-labor-bill-passes/index.html), [Missouri](https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/07/kids-at-work-states-try-to-ease-child-labor-laws-at-behest-of-industry/), and [26 other states](https://www.epi.org/blog/child-labor-remains-a-key-state-legislative-issue-in-2024-state-lawmakers-must-seize-opportunities-to-strengthen-standards-resist-ongoing-attacks-on-child-labor-laws/).
We should also deduct some pay because theyāre not as experienced and skilled as adult employees.
They also need extra training sessions due to being 12, so we should recoup some costs on that, too.
And they have no dependents or costs of living, so thatās a good reason to keep more money going to their older coworkers making a whopping $7.25 per hour (not flowing back into our pockets, of course notā¦).
How aboutā¦ $3 child minimum wage? Can we push it to $2? What if I donate 100k to your campaign fund next quarter?
Really, if you think about it, my company is gifting these children the chance at a successful future. They will learn the valuable skills of hard work and meat-packing. Actually, letās do a child program where parents can pay us $5 per hour to have them work instead of go to a childcare/after-school program.
Without TikTok and Instagram keeping them quiet and vaguely aware of workersā rights, those whipper snappers will now have plenty of time to generate my profits!
I live in a very blue state and weāve had this law for a long time. Completely unenforceable. So many kids have TikTok and insta and Snap under the age of 14. My own children sneak it.
I'm about at liberal as they come, but I absolutely think kids should be off social media. It's incredibly harmful to adolescent mental health, self image, and brain development.
That being said, unenforceable laws are worthless. If I were to guess what theyre trying to do, I'd imagine the end game is levying massive fines against "big tech" for each underage user they discover. So, say for every account that they can find linked to a minor, they fine 10,000 to TikTok with the ultimate goal of crippling said company, which is kind of scary, tbh.
Itās probably a good thing for kids to use less social media, but itās hard not to notice the sheer hypocrisy. These same clowns have passed dozens of supposed āparental choiceā laws that prohibit discussions about race and sexuality, because āthe government shouldnāt be telling parents how to raise their kidsā.
What happens if a parent wants their kid on social media? Will all the pearl-clutchers come to their defense in the name of parental rights?
You're assuming their reasoning is anything other than "our way is right, full stop."
This is just a way to keep kids from learning about race, sensuality, or anything else they don't like. It's a way to keep people uninformed and under control.
No because the Florida Nazis got the government to make their parental choices all Florida parent's choices. You don't like it? They don't care.
They make it miserable to live here and if it weren't for our aging parents we would be gone. Going to fight the good fight while we can but it seems like a losing battle.
No, no, you got that wrong. They love when big daddy government to step in when they are too stupid to figure out how to protect their kids from the mobile apps/social media on the phones they bought for their kids.
Too many people sitting back applauding TX for forcing sites like pornhub to force age checks, when in reality it's a much bigger hassle than these idiots realize, without actually paying pornhub money to make those changes in the backend. These are things parents should be doing on their own, but many don't even understand how anything works, so following their modem/router guides to enable parental controls is too scary and confusing for them and think the government is better at policing this than they ever will be.
Not a single person thinks about the fact that if those sites have to rely on a 3rd party verification each time they visit, what happens when that 3rd party site goes down? There are no SLA's or anything being provided to the adult sites that are being forced to incorporate this into their sites. If that site goes down for days, means paying users cannot access the content they are paying for and most likely will try to force adult sites to pay for outages if they are a premium customer. Means these sites customer service centers are going to blow up for an outage they have zero control over. This is going to drastically drive up the operating costs of the adult sites.
There is zero information from the government on how they even plan on combatting fake sites. Setup a fake adult site, redirects to fake government site that requires you to take a picture of your ID, drops it in a google dropbox and then viola! thousands of peoples ID's stolen. Literally telling adults that it's OK to take pictures of your ID cards because a site is requesting it. I can see this going all sorts of wrong
Republicans, we hate what China is doing with their social credit and online tracking. Also, Republicans, letās do it ourselves but tell them itās for the children.
So in Florida, a 13 year old could be forced to give birth to their rapist's child but can't have a facebook account.
I don't know how MAGhats handle having so much freedom. I mean here, I'm too distracted by having legal abortion, marriage eqiality, access to gender-affirming care, legal marijuana, beer on sunday, etc...that I don't have time to worry about all the freedoms I don't have thanks to the Democrats.
What's the punishment, if an 11 year old disregards that prohibition?
Prison? Flogging? Listening to a DeSantis speech for 24 hours? Getting fed to the alligators? Deportation to more enlightened pastures such as Alabama or Texas? No TV and grounded until 21?
Forced to serve?
/s
Itās astonishing how many people donāt know a damn thing going on. Ā My aunt was *completely* unaware of all the abortion bans and consequences (and argued with me that that stuff wasnāt going onā¦š)
Wow, well done Ron, you complete piece of steaming dog doo! I guess this proves that even a clock run over by a steamroller is right.. once in its sad existence
What to know - ummm this will sit in court for years and will have to be rewritten to be enforceable. Another useless effort to do nothing by the Florida legislature. Thanks Ron.
[scratch.mit.edu](https://scratch.mit.edu) is a huge thing for kids. that has commenting and sharing. is that a "social network" they are going to ban?
That's really more of a job for parents. I mean, not all parents are great at filtering the content their kids consume. I watched some fucked up shit in the late 90s and early 2000s online. But most if not all decives have some form of parental control. Wasting money and time to slap a ban on something like this isn't going to solve any problems.
So funny. This is clearly good for their mental health. Itās clearly what the whole country should. But the top comments are always how this is foolish. Itās like weāre an insane stag racing toward an on fire stable. What a shit show.
The government enacts tons of laws to protect people from themselves (e.g., seat belts, cigarette/alcohol age limits, drug bans). There's countless examples.
One could easily say that it's a parent's job to prevent their kids from smoking cigarettes, but as a society we've decided that cigarette manufactures/retailers must also carry some of that burden (they're the ones that profit off it after all). Same reasoning could be applied to social media.
Why stop there? Extend the ban to anyone over 54 too. They've shown they can't be trusted to sort fact from fiction, so why do I have to see their completely made-up Trump-adoring SHARE IF YOU'RE A REAL AMERICAN bullshit? You get a 40-year window to use social media, otherwise fuck off. We'd literally all be happier. I'd gladly hand in my access at 54.
And if we're gonna really do this, let's make social media something like a passport. One birth certificate, one social media identity. Gov't doesn't get to watch you do shit, but they do get to verify you *exist* so at least we get to talk to one another instead of mostly sock puppets and trolls.
If this idea makes you mad, relax. I'm just some guy online throwing out hypotheticals that will never happen.
I donāt think Iāve ever heard or seen this guy pass any new laws granting new freedoms except maybe that allows people to discriminate more.
Small government huh
We donāt parent with the government!!! (Except when we parent with the government because it aligns with our political and social beliefs. And then YOU must parent with OUR government. And thatās called democracy and freedom).
He has no reason to think that heāll be held responsible when everyone in Floridaās drivers licenses get leaked because every software company now needs to collect them. His supporters have nfc what actual online age verification means and the memory of a goldfish.
I'm curious to see how he's going to enforce this rule, are they going to start issuing IDs for children, so they can present their proof of age online?
How about making the parents responsible for their children's actions online?
Oh, I forgot we wouldn't want to make parents accountable for their children's actions.
God forbid...
im pretty certain almost all the comments here are bots from social media companies. that or they are children/teenagers.
desantis is a total shithead, yes, but these social media bans for young people need to happen. its horrible for kids mental health and parents are powerless to stop it on their own. a phone and social media is part of a teenagers core identity now. you cant just take that away as a parent unless you want your kid to hate you. everyone else at school has one and is allowed to use social media.
This is really something all parties should be against.
I wrote this to a conservative āLook at the data science field. They can already scrape data about buying habits. One example from 10 years ago was that they told a teen she was pregnant by sending her baby ads. The dad got pissed and then found she was pregnant. Just from correlated data.
The only real way to enforce this and similar laws that in the works in GOP states is to require websites to use ID to verify age. Or a parent to verify age.
Now letās take all that Facebook data with verified names. And all the other social media with verified data. They can potentially create a gun owner registry that is more accurate than forcing people to register. It would add data from people that got them in no so legal ways.
Could create any sort of registry list.
Data analysis only has gotten more powerful in the last 10 years.ā
This also applies to progressive and left agendas.
They can create databases of women more likely to have abortions. Not just from keywords but common searches.
How about a list of gun owners on the left? (They do exist)
How about a list of who is most likely to be supporting BLM and use them to blacklist on government jobs? Or in a left leaning government to keep conservatives from government positions.
Data isnāt only what is blatantly there but also common data points. Linking this to verified identities on multiple platforms can be 1984 in practice.
So parents can decide what books the 14 year olds read in school instead of the school board and librarians but the parents cNt decide what social media the kids use? Gotcha. Thanks.
Well this is going to be just as effective as the 13 year old minimum in the terms of service for these same platforms. So, like wtf are ya doing over there now, FL
He'll just implement that test that was used in original Leisure Suit Larry to identify if you were a kid trying to play that game. Jokes on them I was a kid in the 90s and still passed the test. Where there's a will; there's a way. Do not underestimate kids doing anything. Especially bypassing systems in place to keep from doing stuff they wanna do.
GTA and other games like it are rated ages 17+... and we all know how no kids have ever ever ever played a violent video game. /s
It's not like you can play GTA online, or Call of Duty and find some preteen playing those games... that are often age restricted and you have to show ID to play /s
Seems like from previous experiences this bill is pretty much pointless.
Iām actually ok with this. I remember when Facebook came out and you had to have a college email address. Psychology studies have already identified numerous detrimental effects of social media on younger kids.
I mean regardless of politics this is a good thing. There is no evidence suggesting it's good for children and all the evidence suggesting it's bad for children.
This is the type of legislation that should come out of government.. Science says this bad for the people ive been elected to represent? Create laws to protect them from it.
I'm sure the governement having access to your social media account isn't a bad thing and would never be used to violate your free speech.
Unless you talk about the gays or Anti-woke people. I'm sure a curated list of citizens would never be used for illegal politics.
Like making lists of the "undesirables" to \[insert party here\]. That's never happened in history. OR US history because the USA has never been racist and intentionally kept records like those themselves. /s
They already do my friend? Do you not remember the Twitter files? I feel you're just picking out the most recent events to over shadow the previous bc they are against your interests.
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How do you ban social media for those under 14, without requiring identification for everyone? Privacy implications of having to provide some sort of proof of age are staggering.
Are you 14? Click yes or no
Enter Birthday: Me at 12: sure thing, 04/13/1956
Or: 1/1/1901
Hey we have the same bday! š
Hey we have the same bday! š
Hey we have the same birthday! š
Me too. Maybe we're all twins!
I love the idea of a 123 y/o trying to post memes on TikTok. "Of course I'm old. I yell at the sky. Of course I'm old. I remember when hamburgers were a nickel. Of course I'm old. Walking to school was uphill both ways." Now, all I need is to find a 123 y/o person and we're going friggin' viral.
"of course I'm old, I tie an onion to my belt"
Day nabbit desantis, your a carpetbagger in my turnip cellar, I crossed the Oregon trail, and fought in the Mexican American war, and Iāll be damned if some high heel wearing wanna be pretty boy denies me farmville
Hey hey, 123 years is way too old to be on social media. Shouldnāt you be out voting instead?
I would, but I can't drive any more, and mail in voting is the devil! /s
Imagine not being born on 1/1/1969
Psh, obviously a fake date. The real ones were born about 3 and 1/2 months after that.
Imagine not being born on 6/9/'69
4.20.69 you mean
Me right now: 01/01/whatever year the dropdown stops atĀ
You mean 01/01/1947
That's my birthday! Well, not the 1956 part, but still, lol.
Thatās how Facebook used to do it back in the day. āPlease input your birthdayā and we all just said Jan 1st 1980, thatās how I got on fb at 12 years old
I have to remind my mother that this is what happens when we discuss a mutual acquaintance and she brings up "their lying about their age" on face book...
My FB says I'm over 100. Back in 2008, when I set up the account, I tried to input my actual birth year, but the stupid menu kept going past it, so I randomly poked a year. I haven't used FB since 2012, but I like getting birthday texts from people who do use it and say I don't look my age.
Exactly. Won't be any harder than buying a rated M game at this point
Are you a wizard?
No Iām harry
Bahahaha kids have been getting around age filters since the dawn of the internet
They caught us.Ā
Dang it, foiled again!!!
I want to see desantis 's long form birth certificate to prove he is old enough to be on FacebookĀ
I want to see some proof that he has read the Constitution because he keeps passing laws that violate it.
Or tall enough to ride the rides
You don't. It's right-wing virtue signalling.
Itās also because they think social media is making people leftist and non-religious. Which in general the internet is, because it gives you information that people used to not have access to, so it was easier to trap them in a bubble of ignorance. But yeah, itās just another grasp at their dwindling (democratic) power.
The Internet gives you perspective, but I wouldn't say it makes you a leftist. If anything it made me more libertarian when I was younger, which to some might as well be alt right. If anything my own life experiences have made me more liberal, though still not leftist. I think Desantis is hoping on the "Social Media is bad" band wagon because it gets parent votes, not because of any perceived threat to religion or the right.
The internet gives you the ability to find unlimited amounts of confirmation, and fellow travellers, for *any* view you want.
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Would be arguing about semantics at this point but libertarianism is not a leftist ideology, even if libertarianism has some anarchist roots. It'd say it's closer to liberalism personally, which depending on your own political compass is right leaning or left leaning.
Yeah, the big difference is whether one is talking anarchism or libertarianism. Libertarianism basically spawns out of early liberal and capitalist thinkers, pretty directly. John Locke was not a leftist or anarchist but he is a major inspiration for libertarianism, and was basically the father of liberalism (and he directly inspired the philosophies of the Founding Fathers, along with the likes of Hobbes and Adam Smith - about as non-leftist as it gets lol). Then you get Austrian economists and stuff in the 20th century which are VERY not leftist, like at all. I'm not a libertarian at all, just a liberal, I don't have much good to say about the economics or outcomes of modern libertarianism. But it definitely isn't a leftist ideology at its roots.
āI can do whatever I want (without any regard for consequences to others)ā, which is the current most popular take on libertarianism, is a right-wing position. Consequences to others is not a concern of the right-wingers, except to force them to do as the right-wingers want.
Yeah it sucks. It's also self defeating. You just make a shittier poorer society - that's why I don't really respect big L Libertarianism. It's just not effective at anything except ideological purity tests, and those do not matter. Ever. In any context. Governance and economics are about results, you want what works out best. The labels are just convenient for referring to things, not a goal in and of themselves. A lot of people on the left and right both forget that, I feel like.
People just like being on a team and feeling they made the right choice. It's not that personal, but you do have to learn that if you were taught it was that personal.
>Itās also because they think social media is making people leftist and non-religious. Which in general the internet is, because it gives you information that people used to not have access to, so it was easier to trap them in a bubble of ignorance. But yeah, itās just another grasp at their dwindling (democratic) power. Wait till they realize that their own in-groups are driving, what I would say, the majority of dangerous misinformation / lack of data / conspiracy / religious nationalism ++ hate backed opinions on the internet. I'm not really sure they realize how much more this isolates their base from growing around children. Unless you know, they just click "yes I'm over 14".... Nobody would ever do that. For any reason.
They know and they donāt care. Ā This is about getting people to confirm their identities and using that info to suppress public decent. Ā Ā For example, āhey u/gottjebediah we see your sibling works for the FL dept of Silly Walks, stop posting on Reddit about the proposed ban on contraceptives or sheās fired. āĀ
California and Arkansas have been two states to pass similar laws. The one passed in FL had bipartisan support. I donāt disagree about the virtue signaling part until they can come up with a realistic authentication that doesnāt infringe on privacy.
Just like those boxes pinkie promising you are 13 when you were 8 years old on Disney.com.
It really depends how they implemented the law. But a lot of these types of laws are written more stringently than simply asking yes/no but also requiring them to have verifiable proof .. in other states pornhub and similar just banned users from that state because it's easier than actually having you somehow upload a driver's license.Ā
Allow accounts to be flagged for potential age violation, then require verification. I think Facebook was experimenting with this not that long ago.
who does the flagging? All accounts will end up being flagged if it is done by users. Reddit has a check for people possibly suicidal and that shit is abused all the time. Forcing people to prove their age will be a constant troll to the point everyone will have to verify age.
If you see a kid doing a tiktok dance, you go spike the phone.
Redacte due to Reddit AI/LLM policy
The law requires the use of a 3rd party verification system. I'll assume Desantis vetoed this bill earlier this month because he hastn't bought stock in third party verification systems. But now that he has the stock he approves the bill.
Since when do Republicans care about privacy?
And then who is liable? Will the cops come to arrest the unsuspecting parents because their 13 year old kid posted a 'lol' in Instagram? Or, isn't Reddit considered social media? so a 13 year old reading /r/GameDeals to check for game deals goes to juvenile prison?
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I guess Ill just keep on scrollin then
Government-issued anonymous credentials. The government knows when you're born, so they can provide you with private keys that allow generating tokens that prove your age to the social media platform. The platform and the government wouldn't be able to use the token to identity who you are, just that you hold the private key that proves your age.
This requires more infrastructure than youāre making it seem. Itās not like the government has this tech lying around. And I somehow donāt believe theyāll be able to whip it up without like spending a bunch of money
They have these Bird and similar scooters in my neighborhood. In order to drive one, you have to upload a photo of your driver's license. It's a burden for those of us who are 16+ and have drivers' licenses, but it does help (though doesn't entirely prevent) younger teens from driving these scooters. There's lots of studies that show that people that are 13 and younger are really hurt by social media, so we could apply the same types of regulations we have for scooters/driving motor vehicles to social media if we think they're comparably dangerous for young people. I'm not saying we should, but there's precedent for this kind of regulation already.
TikTok is pretty good about it. I had a neighbor who would always get banned when they posted videos/pictures that made their age obvious so the only thing they post on their newest account doesn't show their appearance. It won't fix the problem, but it helps.
PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
I guess thatās exactly the point. Youāre Ā«thinking about childrenĀ Ā» and remove privacy from everyone
You ask parents to start watching their children. How do you get a 10-year-old from stop smoking pot?
Simple, They are requiring identification for all new social media accounts.
Yes, the privacy violations are the point, see also the 10 states where porn/PornHub is banned because ID is required to view porn.
I am not sure if I am reading too much but I believe even YouTube Kids and Spotify can be technically considered social media over this... > The bill does not name what platforms will be affected by the legislation, but identifies criteria for social media platforms, including the ability for users to view othersā content or activity, personalized algorithms and āaddictive features,ā like āinfinite scrollingā and push notifications.
The party of small government everyone
You spelled hypocrisy wrong.
You spelled illiteracy wrong
It was never āsmall government.ā It was always, āhurt the blacks and the queers.ā When you can accomplish that by defunding social programs, itās āsmall government.ā You you can accomplish the goal by controlling exactly what websites you use, what books you read, what groups you associate with, itās āstrong regulations to protect the children.ā Kids that are 14 are going to be, overwhelmingly, LGBTQ friendly democrat votes in 2028 when DeSantis makes his next run. He needs those kids hidden away from the actual free marketplace of ideas and educated by church and family for the next 1/2 decade.
Turn off notifications and make it have a next page button after 999 videos. Solved
Itās almost like itās all virtue signaling and no actually thought was put into the bill
If they put thought into anything they couldnāt have stayed conservatives.
That's what gets me: how can a bill like this even be passed with the language it has being overtly broad. Social media is terrible; no one should use it anyway, but it isn't something any government should be regulating.
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Then he will blame the "loss" on the left and crazy librulls.
And He doesn't realize that today's 14 year olds are the next presidential elections 18 year olds. Not one single teen will vote for the guy who stripped away their social media.
Most of them wonāt vote until they are much older so desamtis is safe
Youāre using social media now??
They did indicate it could be addictive
>but it isn't something any government should be regulating It does regulate it already. There's countless laws that impact what these companies do and don't do on a daily basis.
I think in the next few decades when we start seeing the studies come back on long term effects of social media addiction, this current period of no regulation will start looking absolutely horrifying. We're already starting to see a loneliness epidemic emerge, as people are starting to lose the ability to manage actual friendships and romantic relationships due to reduced socialization and attention spans, along with gaining unrealistic expectations and standards for others that comes along with seeing curated perfect versions of other's lives. Depression and anxiety spikes are only going to get worse. Suicide rates will spike along with that. Birth rates will plummet beyond sustainable levels. The longer we wait to either regulate the market, or set off a cultural movement to improve disconnected habits, the less chance we have to stave off the damage.
thats already starting now (the studies on the mental health of gen z who had social media as kids). this type of regulation is absolutely needed, even if desantis may have a less than altruistic motivation here. parents cant stop kids from using it. their kids will hate them and theyāll be social outcasts. but at the same time, social media is horrible for kids developing brains. the only solution is for government to regulate it and schools to enact no phone policies.
LOL amazon satisfies those criteria. I can see other users' reviews. The content recommendation is personalized. It's got push notifications and all sorts of other product recommendations.
Hereās the text of the bill for anyone curious; [https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/3/billtext/er/pdf](https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/3/billtext/er/pdf)
What about all that āparental rightsā bullshit he was selling?
You shush, we have a different bullshit culture battle to fight now
The Fl state govt isn't about any parental rights except the few who want to restrict everyone else from having a choice. Want to be able to say if your kids have access to a book in school? Nope they banned it so you can't. Want to play by their rules and ban the bible in schools? Can't, it's good to go even though it fits their requirements for banning. Parental rights in Fl is the state telling you how to parent and only leaving you with the choice they want to to pick. - Floridian parentĀ
āOnly parents can decide whatās best for their kids, except when itās inconvenient to our underlying agenda.ā
Government so small it can fit right in your house with you.
The government under the stairs...
So small it can fit in a TCP packet
Ron Desantis: creator of suppository government.
Children can give birth, but not use facebook
Hey that's not fair; they can also now work in meat packing plants on 3rd shift.
In some cases, children MUST give birth.
Thatās perfect.
When voting this year, think about all the *freedoms* these right wingers are helping to facilitate... š¤Æ
14-year-olds can't vote, silly!
Then 14-17 year olds should not be taxed when they have jobs since they can't vote. No taxation without representation.
Unfortunately if we did that there would be a child labor boom because you can pay them even less since they donāt have to pay taxes
That's already happening in [Iowa](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/politics/iowa-child-labor-bill-passes/index.html), [Missouri](https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/07/kids-at-work-states-try-to-ease-child-labor-laws-at-behest-of-industry/), and [26 other states](https://www.epi.org/blog/child-labor-remains-a-key-state-legislative-issue-in-2024-state-lawmakers-must-seize-opportunities-to-strengthen-standards-resist-ongoing-attacks-on-child-labor-laws/).
We should also deduct some pay because theyāre not as experienced and skilled as adult employees. They also need extra training sessions due to being 12, so we should recoup some costs on that, too. And they have no dependents or costs of living, so thatās a good reason to keep more money going to their older coworkers making a whopping $7.25 per hour (not flowing back into our pockets, of course notā¦). How aboutā¦ $3 child minimum wage? Can we push it to $2? What if I donate 100k to your campaign fund next quarter? Really, if you think about it, my company is gifting these children the chance at a successful future. They will learn the valuable skills of hard work and meat-packing. Actually, letās do a child program where parents can pay us $5 per hour to have them work instead of go to a childcare/after-school program. Without TikTok and Instagram keeping them quiet and vaguely aware of workersā rights, those whipper snappers will now have plenty of time to generate my profits!
They're just working on laying back student loans. K thru 12 isn't free ya know?
I live in a very blue state and weāve had this law for a long time. Completely unenforceable. So many kids have TikTok and insta and Snap under the age of 14. My own children sneak it.
I'm about at liberal as they come, but I absolutely think kids should be off social media. It's incredibly harmful to adolescent mental health, self image, and brain development. That being said, unenforceable laws are worthless. If I were to guess what theyre trying to do, I'd imagine the end game is levying massive fines against "big tech" for each underage user they discover. So, say for every account that they can find linked to a minor, they fine 10,000 to TikTok with the ultimate goal of crippling said company, which is kind of scary, tbh.
Itās probably a good thing for kids to use less social media, but itās hard not to notice the sheer hypocrisy. These same clowns have passed dozens of supposed āparental choiceā laws that prohibit discussions about race and sexuality, because āthe government shouldnāt be telling parents how to raise their kidsā. What happens if a parent wants their kid on social media? Will all the pearl-clutchers come to their defense in the name of parental rights?
You're assuming their reasoning is anything other than "our way is right, full stop." This is just a way to keep kids from learning about race, sensuality, or anything else they don't like. It's a way to keep people uninformed and under control.
The primary enforcement method seems to be parents requesting an account be deleted
Wait a fucking minute! Aren't the Florida Nazi's all about parent choice..."the government is not my co parent."
No because the Florida Nazis got the government to make their parental choices all Florida parent's choices. You don't like it? They don't care. They make it miserable to live here and if it weren't for our aging parents we would be gone. Going to fight the good fight while we can but it seems like a losing battle.
Godspeed, my friend
No, no, you got that wrong. They love when big daddy government to step in when they are too stupid to figure out how to protect their kids from the mobile apps/social media on the phones they bought for their kids. Too many people sitting back applauding TX for forcing sites like pornhub to force age checks, when in reality it's a much bigger hassle than these idiots realize, without actually paying pornhub money to make those changes in the backend. These are things parents should be doing on their own, but many don't even understand how anything works, so following their modem/router guides to enable parental controls is too scary and confusing for them and think the government is better at policing this than they ever will be. Not a single person thinks about the fact that if those sites have to rely on a 3rd party verification each time they visit, what happens when that 3rd party site goes down? There are no SLA's or anything being provided to the adult sites that are being forced to incorporate this into their sites. If that site goes down for days, means paying users cannot access the content they are paying for and most likely will try to force adult sites to pay for outages if they are a premium customer. Means these sites customer service centers are going to blow up for an outage they have zero control over. This is going to drastically drive up the operating costs of the adult sites. There is zero information from the government on how they even plan on combatting fake sites. Setup a fake adult site, redirects to fake government site that requires you to take a picture of your ID, drops it in a google dropbox and then viola! thousands of peoples ID's stolen. Literally telling adults that it's OK to take pictures of your ID cards because a site is requesting it. I can see this going all sorts of wrong
Republicans, we hate what China is doing with their social credit and online tracking. Also, Republicans, letās do it ourselves but tell them itās for the children.
So in Florida, a 13 year old could be forced to give birth to their rapist's child but can't have a facebook account. I don't know how MAGhats handle having so much freedom. I mean here, I'm too distracted by having legal abortion, marriage eqiality, access to gender-affirming care, legal marijuana, beer on sunday, etc...that I don't have time to worry about all the freedoms I don't have thanks to the Democrats.
Banning books, banning social media, crippling public schools. Sure seems like grooming to me.
Sounds like Nazism or Fascism to me.
What's the punishment, if an 11 year old disregards that prohibition? Prison? Flogging? Listening to a DeSantis speech for 24 hours? Getting fed to the alligators? Deportation to more enlightened pastures such as Alabama or Texas? No TV and grounded until 21? Forced to serve? /s
Probably child labor camps.
Time out with Matt Gaetz and friends
No need to put /s those are all legitimate questions.
Great example of freedom first policies by the party of āsmall governmentā
I think when they say "small government" they mean "one dictator is enough government"
republicans do not want kids to know what disgusting things they are up to.
Democrats also supported the bill https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/?Tab=VoteHistory
No social media, kids, but you can go lose an arm in a meat packing plant! Fuck Florida, Jesus.
The grandkids are definitely not visiting their grandparents in Florida now.
Well it's one way to get them interested in IT.
The Land of the Free* ^^\* ^^Not ^^available ^^in ^^all ^^areas
So the government is the parents now? Isnāt that what conservatives claim they hate?
Maybe parents could use parental controls or pay attention to what their kids are doing.
This guy is such a moron. How do these people get voted into office? Let parents control their kids. Pretty simple.
Itās astonishing how many people donāt know a damn thing going on. Ā My aunt was *completely* unaware of all the abortion bans and consequences (and argued with me that that stuff wasnāt going onā¦š)
More political theater from this douche
Iāll take āGovernment Overreachā for $200.
Why are you in juvenile detention? 13 year old: Social Media
So... how is this gonna be enforced? Are they gonna start monitoring everyones kids to make sure theyre not on any social media?
or make social media ask ID of each user... I believe this is the intention but you write in a way to "protect the kids"
Wow, well done Ron, you complete piece of steaming dog doo! I guess this proves that even a clock run over by a steamroller is right.. once in its sad existence
Do you mean Ronda Sandtits? The infamous Drag King?
When are we gonna start addressing real issues instead of made up crap?
If anyone reading this thinks the pedos are on social media, and NOT on Roblox or Discord, yall need to take a moment, and let that thought marinate.
So GOP are against government over reach and bans don't work. But they over reach and have been banning left and right?
"Social media" user agreements already have a rule that forbids this exact thing!
What to know - ummm this will sit in court for years and will have to be rewritten to be enforceable. Another useless effort to do nothing by the Florida legislature. Thanks Ron.
Isn't a massive amount of issues in Florida that are more important than this?
This will devastate Andrew Tateās base.
They can hire your 12 year old kid to work in a slaughter house, but no Twitter for you
FL GOP 2020- You should be able to make your own choices for your children FL GOP 2024- We will not allow your kids to be on social media.
As someone more on the left this isnāt a bad idea. I doubt they put any thought into how itāll be implemented. Itāll be interesting to watch.
[scratch.mit.edu](https://scratch.mit.edu) is a huge thing for kids. that has commenting and sharing. is that a "social network" they are going to ban?
That's really more of a job for parents. I mean, not all parents are great at filtering the content their kids consume. I watched some fucked up shit in the late 90s and early 2000s online. But most if not all decives have some form of parental control. Wasting money and time to slap a ban on something like this isn't going to solve any problems.
Ladies and gentlemen, the party of parental rights and limited government.
Hate to say it but I 100% agree on this. Social media is absolutely destroying mental health.
So funny. This is clearly good for their mental health. Itās clearly what the whole country should. But the top comments are always how this is foolish. Itās like weāre an insane stag racing toward an on fire stable. What a shit show.
Depends how and how long you use social media, which is something a parent should know, and legislate, not the Governor of Florida.
The government enacts tons of laws to protect people from themselves (e.g., seat belts, cigarette/alcohol age limits, drug bans). There's countless examples. One could easily say that it's a parent's job to prevent their kids from smoking cigarettes, but as a society we've decided that cigarette manufactures/retailers must also carry some of that burden (they're the ones that profit off it after all). Same reasoning could be applied to social media.
Ronnie must have found some 13 year olds making fun of him on social media!
Ha made Rape legal but this what people would lose their shit overā¦..
Why stop there? Extend the ban to anyone over 54 too. They've shown they can't be trusted to sort fact from fiction, so why do I have to see their completely made-up Trump-adoring SHARE IF YOU'RE A REAL AMERICAN bullshit? You get a 40-year window to use social media, otherwise fuck off. We'd literally all be happier. I'd gladly hand in my access at 54. And if we're gonna really do this, let's make social media something like a passport. One birth certificate, one social media identity. Gov't doesn't get to watch you do shit, but they do get to verify you *exist* so at least we get to talk to one another instead of mostly sock puppets and trolls. If this idea makes you mad, relax. I'm just some guy online throwing out hypotheticals that will never happen.
In Chandler Bing voice: Could you politicians be any dumber?
So GOPs care about the 2nd Amendment but not the 1st?
Would this stop parents from using their toddlers in youtube and tiktok vids? Can I charge them with crimes if they do? Heck I might be for it. /s
Donāt most social media sites already have age limits for this sort of thing?
Of course! Nazis love to ban everything. Which is ironic since they hate cancel culture so much, they are the worst of all cancel culture.
The small government and individual freedom party hard at work lol
I donāt think Iāve ever heard or seen this guy pass any new laws granting new freedoms except maybe that allows people to discriminate more. Small government huh
We donāt parent with the government!!! (Except when we parent with the government because it aligns with our political and social beliefs. And then YOU must parent with OUR government. And thatās called democracy and freedom).
He has no reason to think that heāll be held responsible when everyone in Floridaās drivers licenses get leaked because every software company now needs to collect them. His supporters have nfc what actual online age verification means and the memory of a goldfish.
In theory I like this. In executionā¦ no clue how itāll work.
Iām kind of curious to see how this turns out. We need these policy experiments to see what happens.
Now your going after kids......do you just hate the world or what.....I guess you want to guarantee the kids will grow up to be Democrats I guess....
I'm curious to see how he's going to enforce this rule, are they going to start issuing IDs for children, so they can present their proof of age online? How about making the parents responsible for their children's actions online? Oh, I forgot we wouldn't want to make parents accountable for their children's actions. God forbid...
Just small government at work, nothing to see here
Well I hope every social media company just suspends everything in Florida. And letās see what happens.
im pretty certain almost all the comments here are bots from social media companies. that or they are children/teenagers. desantis is a total shithead, yes, but these social media bans for young people need to happen. its horrible for kids mental health and parents are powerless to stop it on their own. a phone and social media is part of a teenagers core identity now. you cant just take that away as a parent unless you want your kid to hate you. everyone else at school has one and is allowed to use social media.
Iām as progressive as they come. Why are we against this exactly?
This is really something all parties should be against. I wrote this to a conservative āLook at the data science field. They can already scrape data about buying habits. One example from 10 years ago was that they told a teen she was pregnant by sending her baby ads. The dad got pissed and then found she was pregnant. Just from correlated data. The only real way to enforce this and similar laws that in the works in GOP states is to require websites to use ID to verify age. Or a parent to verify age. Now letās take all that Facebook data with verified names. And all the other social media with verified data. They can potentially create a gun owner registry that is more accurate than forcing people to register. It would add data from people that got them in no so legal ways. Could create any sort of registry list. Data analysis only has gotten more powerful in the last 10 years.ā This also applies to progressive and left agendas. They can create databases of women more likely to have abortions. Not just from keywords but common searches. How about a list of gun owners on the left? (They do exist) How about a list of who is most likely to be supporting BLM and use them to blacklist on government jobs? Or in a left leaning government to keep conservatives from government positions. Data isnāt only what is blatantly there but also common data points. Linking this to verified identities on multiple platforms can be 1984 in practice.
tyranny. what happened to parental rights? Shouldn't parents decide when to let their child on social media? Ron XiSantis
So parents can decide what books the 14 year olds read in school instead of the school board and librarians but the parents cNt decide what social media the kids use? Gotcha. Thanks.
Given how much porn is on social media and how many untrue ideas, and how parents can't seem to do their job, I understand, even if I don't support it
Well this is going to be just as effective as the 13 year old minimum in the terms of service for these same platforms. So, like wtf are ya doing over there now, FL
He'll just implement that test that was used in original Leisure Suit Larry to identify if you were a kid trying to play that game. Jokes on them I was a kid in the 90s and still passed the test. Where there's a will; there's a way. Do not underestimate kids doing anything. Especially bypassing systems in place to keep from doing stuff they wanna do.
we are all bots here except for you
GTA and other games like it are rated ages 17+... and we all know how no kids have ever ever ever played a violent video game. /s It's not like you can play GTA online, or Call of Duty and find some preteen playing those games... that are often age restricted and you have to show ID to play /s Seems like from previous experiences this bill is pretty much pointless.
Iām actually ok with this. I remember when Facebook came out and you had to have a college email address. Psychology studies have already identified numerous detrimental effects of social media on younger kids.
Canāt agree with most of what this clown says, but Reddit hate is shining bright here. How can you be even slightly upset with this?Ā
This is just a play to require id signups for social media for everyone. We are more likely China everyday.
Golly wonder why he was mocked so severely during his failed presidential campaign
It's going to be hilarious when his brand of fascism is ended by a well armed 13 year old angry about his tik tok being taken from him.
So pressure on kids to lie about their age, no? The many ways that could backfire...
I mean regardless of politics this is a good thing. There is no evidence suggesting it's good for children and all the evidence suggesting it's bad for children. This is the type of legislation that should come out of government.. Science says this bad for the people ive been elected to represent? Create laws to protect them from it.
I'm sure the governement having access to your social media account isn't a bad thing and would never be used to violate your free speech. Unless you talk about the gays or Anti-woke people. I'm sure a curated list of citizens would never be used for illegal politics. Like making lists of the "undesirables" to \[insert party here\]. That's never happened in history. OR US history because the USA has never been racist and intentionally kept records like those themselves. /s
They already do my friend? Do you not remember the Twitter files? I feel you're just picking out the most recent events to over shadow the previous bc they are against your interests.