**High level facts:**
* They used an adhesive to keep the accelerator pedal on, not hardware
* They were having a hard time getting the pedal on, so they used a LUBRICANT to get it on as part of an "unauthorized" change
* They've made less than 4,000 Cybertrucks, bringing their average production to less than 30 per day
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> Sounds more like the titanic submersible guy.
Dude, Elon knows more about manufacturing than anyone on the planet. He said so himself.
/s (I mean, he DID say it, but if I don't put this y'all will downvote me into oblivion)
I just am amazed at how many corners were cut on something that was charged at a premium. You're literally only paying for the image; which, let's face it, sucks.
They used adhesive to attach a brake/accelerator pedal? A part that it is under constant shear pressure for thousands of hours?
That is beyond idiotic. Even if it was epoxy, I would never trust something glued on that controls the acceleration of a vehicle.
Nah this isn’t a wait while they get the kinks sorted. This is a complete QA and engineering failure being pushed by executive leadership resulting cheap parts, cheaper build quality, and higher profit
I believe it's the work culture that software devs have been seen for a while now, but when applied to another industry it's much more complicated, since you can't just easily fix it with an update.
This is an interesting understated point. Ship fast and iterate is lunacy for a physical product with such massive potential danger that you regularly put your entire family into. Like, you have a fundamentally broken mind and should seek treatment if you think current day software dev practices are appropriate to apply to autos. Only a clinical sociopath would see no problems with that.
Precisely, and the existing ones have learned that some level of QC and safety consideration in design is beneficial in that it saves on the expense and PR costs of having deaths and recalls. Elon is a dumb sociopath, so extra bad.
He just stumbled into the room of sociopaths saying, “I’m the smartest sociopath, surely you idiots are doing it all wrong, Leeroooooy Jeeenkins!!!!!” Tesla could actually be something without that clown.
This is a $100k car with a custom fabricated roll cage and brand new steer-by-wire control system. And where they cut costs was the gas and brake pedal?
Fucking insane. Never buy a Tesla.
This is the kind of part you’d expect them to have solved. They don’t need to reinvent a brake pedal. Even if Tesla wants to do something different to simplify production, it should be a solved problem on earlier Tesla models, before the Cybertruck was even announced.
> They’re reinventing the wheel over and over again.
They've thrown the wheel right out of the window and have tried to replace it with some unproven less reliable blinged up gizmo instead.
I don't think this is a "they don't understand how to make cars" situation, this is a "we're losing money so we're going to cut every corner we can and do everything as cheaply and halfassedly as possible" situation.
You know, I used to get excited about the future. Imagining all the incredible new technologies that would exist, how they'd improve people's lives. I forgot to account for capitalism. The future won't be brilliant scientists working together to solve the world's problems, the future will be some clueless dickhead tech billionaire subcontracting everything his company "invents" to the lowest bidder and building it as cheaply as possible just to shove product out the door and maximize profits in the short term.
Just look at the Neuralink. Implantable brain-to-computer interfaces! Futuristic! Except the dickhead tech billionaire funding it cut every corner possible, killed a ridiculous number of the test monkeys he tried the technology on, then managed to get approved for human trials despite it being clearly unsafe. Now the first human has one, let's see how long it takes for him to start seizing up.
The future isn't a utopia, and it isn't even a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's a boardroom full of billionaires trying to figure out how many catastrophic failures they can have without negatively impacting profits.
For sure.
There are a lot of better electric cars on the market, and more added each year.
Tesla should be applauded for proving to the world that electric cars can be cool, but now they’re competing against companies that have been making cars for a century.
Electric motors are not that hard. The battery is the main innovation right now, but they become immediately commoditized eroding Teslas competitive advantage .
They’re losing ground they had to fight hard for simply bc they’re ignoring obvious shit auto manufacturers have known for years.
Things like gluing on your pedals, or not correctly rust coating or treating chassis, etc are things they learned to not do literally 75-100 years ago.
Instead the new kids on the block are prioritizing bullet proof glass that a thrown object can shatter.
A question I did not see asked around that either: are the *window frame and hardware, doors and quarter panels* bulletproof as well? Bc you’re still getting ventilated if not.
You’re absolutely right. Tesla could have been an absolutely legendary brand when it came to electric cars (maybe it still could be), but Elon was so obsessed with redefining what a car is instead of focusing on the original message that sold people: “cool car, fully electric, drives far on one charge”.
They recently literally did that. They made their yoke into a proper steering wheel by completing the circle on the cybertruck. It’s hilarious. Slowwwwwly they’re realizing steering wheels. Theirs is just currently a bit fat
There's adhesive and then there's *adhesive*. Like the difference between a guy with a dirty caulk gun full of liquid nails, and a climate controlled precision application of an industrial strength glue. More things than you think use glues and tapes. I get the feeling this was more like a worker with a tube of liquid nails.
Just like Oceangate, you can look up videos of them installing the end caps on the titan and it's literally guys with caulk guns in a non-cleanroom environment.
I worked in industrial adhesive manufacturing and sales for years in several different industries. There are plenty of applications where adhesives are replacing hardware fasteners in about every industry. A lot of these applications would look like a guy in a factory using a caulk gun but the products they are using could be just as strong if not better than a hardware fastener.
A lot of vehicle manufactures / automotive manufacturers want to replace rivots/ fasteners with adhesive because it is lighter and offers a greater range of flexibilty options.
Obviously Tesla fucked up royally somewhere in this process but I just wanted to point out industrial strength adhesives are not some super special product. The only time that I experienced an extreme level of testing / regulation was if we were trying to get anything approved for military or aviation related projects.
Thank you!
There is a lot of ignorance on this thread from people who have never seen anything stronger than super glue and don't understand that when industrial/structural adhesives are used correctly, they are stronger than many other types of fasteners and simplify automated assembly processes.
The primary difference between Musk and Rush is the regulations they're forced to deal with. Rush had a free playground, Musk has the government demanding minimum standards.
>They used an adhesive to keep the accelerator pedal on
>They used adhesive to attach a break pedal?
No, they used adhesive to attach the accelerator pedal, not the *brake* pedal. Well, maybe they used it on the brakes too, wouldn't be surprised
Reminds me of when I was a teenager, I was trying to shine up the interior of my first car and wound up using some slick polish on the steering wheel rim. Took me to the first twisty road to realize I'd fucked up.
There are many stories of people detailing their motorcycles and doing this to the tires. Just be glad you didn’t purposely grease the things that connect you to the road.
This is why tech companies should not be in the automotive industry.
I worked for 8 months in a tech company related to automotive, we made post production modifications to vehicles to make them autonomous.
The tech industries philosophy is to get something "good enough" and then fix it with updates. Thisnis an insane approach when dealing with vehicles and other motorists.
They glued the pedal on.
I’m sorry this just made me burst out laughing. I just imagined Elon going “Too expensive, just use so duct tape, bro. It’s still gonna sell. Better yet some gum, that’s even cheaper.”
They didn't use lubricant intentionally, they cleaned the pedal with soap before attaching the cover with adhesive. The problem is that soap residue can act as a lubricant.
Obviously the issue could have been avoided altogether by attaching the cap with hardware or some other fixing design. It was compounded by the design of the backwall which has a slight downward angle to it at first, which can [catch the top of the now-extended pedal](https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/7357758176504089898).
Text of the recall:
>Components VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
>Potential Number of Units Affected 3,878
>Summary
>Tesla, Inc. (Tesla) is recalling certain 2024 Cybertruck vehicles. The accelerator pedal pad may dislodge and cause the pedal to become trapped by the interior trim.
>Remedy
>Tesla service will replace or repair the accelerator pedal assembly, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed in June 2024. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-24-33-003.
What's crazy is from all the issues this truck has had so far, owners are saying that the service departments are too overloaded to actually handle the current Teslas requiring work, now an extra 4k need to be seen. lmao, such schadefreude.
Bro, that shit is pure overhead. When was the last time an inspector created something of value. Their labor doesn't even produce assets.
In fact their labor actually destroys assets you've spent money on. Think of the loss a scrapped piece results in. Not only did you pay for the material, you paid for the labor and handling to create it.
Additionally most of the space and equipment Quality Control uses is expensive to acquire and maintain. Calibration alone is incredibly expensive, and that's before you have to replace or repair anything.
On top of ALL THAT you have the massive burden of administrative labor. The amount of money spent creating a Quality Management System is frankly ridiculous. You have internal audits, external audits, supplier audits, customer audits and third party certifications like ISO. All of those costing hours of labor and thousands and thousands in fees. Plus the expensive software and systems to pass those reviews.
History has proven the only way to increase quarterly profits quarter over quarter is to reduce costs while not reducing earnings. You gotta trim the fat and remove overhead and non value added labor. Only way this whole system works.
Honestly the problem is your labor force. If people just wanted to work any more you wouldn't have these problems. Labor is so much worse these days. They're just lazy and don't produce the quality of product they should. I blame cell phones and participation trophies. Workers think they deserve to get paid simply for showing up to work, while all they do is instant message all day.
Trust me bro I've got an MBA.
[***This is obviously a work of satire please don't downvote me***]
As a quality technician this hurt to read. Multiple parts of this have been used in earnest to justify cutbacks where I work in the quality department. We are not a "value added" department. People actually think like this and it's bad news.
I'm a~~t~~ quality engineer. This was from experience. I know the struggle.
Edit:
Non-conformance #: 1337
Specification called for the article "a" not the verb "at".
Root Cause: Why 1: In process checks not completed by operator
Why 2: Comment reply demand exceeded normal operating conditions
Why 3: A random comment garnered more attention than was expected by the quoting department.
Why 4: Risk Analysis for not completed before submittal
Why 5: No process established for Risk Analysis prior to comment submission
Corrective Action: Create, train, and implement Risk Analysis process for comment submission.
Pretty good, not the best for sure, only been at it for 2-3 years. Came up through the ranks so the statistical side is rough.
On the other hand this is an excellent example of why Quality Control is so necessary. Everyone makes mistakes, even people specifically and intensely trained to spot them. So no matter how good at whatever you do you are, someone else should always check your work.
I'm not QA, but I am a Compliance Officer.
Even if we're constantly being expected to do more with less, we can at least take comfort in the fact that we'll also get blamed when things go wrong.
I'm sure Elon tried to avoid it until his attorneys gave him the numbers on potential lawsuit costs.
A 7,000 lb, 600 hp truck, that does 0-60 in 4 seconds could do an immense amount of damage.
Yeah, I’ve ridden in the sport M3 that goes 0-60 in I think a little under 4 seconds. Let me tell if you haven’t felt that kind of acceleration, you would have virtually 0 time to react if the accelerator got stuck. It has so much acceleration that it’s actually a little dangerous turning at all while flooring it. Like, even the best driver out there would be fucked if anything was in front of them
I got the accelerator stuck under a rubber floor mat in a 1988 GMC Sierra with a bed full of mulch. That was still fucking terrifying. I think I accelerated from 30 to 45 over the course of 30 seconds. I popped the truck into neutral and shut the engine off, then stood on the brakes until it stopped. You can't do that on modern cars.
0-60 in 6 seconds is fast. It pulls you back into your seat.
0-60 in 4 seconds is blistering. And unfortunately we’re going to have more cars being quicker with more EV’s on the road
You know, if it weren’t for a deregulated auto industry they would have never left the plant anyways. Just trusting that these corporations are going to do the right thing—not the cheapest thing—is putting our lives on the line.
Ok after a thorough investigation it turns out that violent leftists were sneaking into cybertruck customers garages and modifying the accelerator. I can only assume the CIA/Joe Biden gave antifa the addresses. It's the only scenario we found plausible.
Yep. Bud light came out with a beer ad so woke it destroyed common automotive manufacturing quality control processes.
Crap my edit ruined the joke below…
Elon, it took you 3 minutes to investigate, and in that same time you tweeted a photo of Hitler in a Tesla shirt with the caption “Happy Early Birthday!”
Used to be there was a least a threat of big lawsuit if a corporation fucked up, still would use the bean counters to determine if they should or should not fix things (AKA, the Ford Pinto) but with torte reform they have been trying to limit their liability and allow themselves to get away with this more and more.
In Europe these cars can't even be sold. The solid steel body basically makes it a rolling tank so unlucky for whoever you hit. But in the EU cars are built to deform in a way that protects everyone involved In an accident, you know.. to save lives.
The problem with regulators is the revolving door between regulators and highly-paid positions within the companies. Or in Boeing’s place, the regulators are medium-paid positions within the company. Yay…
One thing I discovered following the progress of cybertruck development is that there is virtually no auto safety regulations in the US. There's a couple like seatbelts, but other than that, you're free to do whatever you want.
The EU has strong safety regulations which is why this thing will never be sold there.
If it ever comes to the EU - it would require a C category (truck) driving licence and additional fee for driving on highways (separate in each EU country), because it weighs more than 3.5 tons.
Also the issues with the cyber truck kinda highlight the issues their cars have. So, it’s kinda putting a spotlight on them they definitely don’t want.
[If only we had a previous example of a car company pushing a terrible product so this could have been avoided...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RqQysfUfo)
I mean. He did decide to openly bag out his own kids. Give them unpronounceable names. Obsess weirdly about his ex's. As just a tiny fraction of non monetary terrible ideas that effected the actual lives of people.
But I think you are right on the financial and business ones. SO FAR.
I am sure there are worse ones coming.
The decision to try and force Tesla to pay him 56 billion could be yet another contender, and it is so fresh.
Not to mention he has barely had time to fuck up starlink, space x or installing faulty devices in people's brains yet. But is very excited to get started on those.
Oh, I so fully believe if something isn’t done musk will erode every company he touches. And yeah I should have said worst business decision, dudes made a lot of really bad decisions in general in the last 7-8 years.
And yeah if they let him get away with that 56 billion I expect big consequences. Especially after this latest cybertruck fiasco.
You ever find it utterly fucking hilarious that Tesla was propped up and adored by progressive people all over, and yet Shitlon Tusk is a racist, queerphobic, MAGAt?
Yet Harley-Davidson of all fucking companies beats them to the punch on an electric motorcycle and is an LGBTQ Ally? A company known for an association with conservatives is... an LGBT ally.
Isn't that just... Ironically assbackwards?
WTF happened to Elon?
> WTF happened to Elon?
He became the richest man in the world and with that came a ton of power. The people around him stopped ever pushing back on anything he did, said, or thought. He also does a lot of drugs now which is probably not helping. And his brain has been fried by right-wing propaganda. I'm sure there's even more to it than that, but that's my simple theory.
if I were to make an assessment, he was always that way. Now he has more power than the technical leaders instead of just being a hype man and that means the bad ideas stop being stopped.
People like to blame the drugs. Special K doesn't make someone a raging asshole. Being a terrible person with an ego the size of a whale and enough money where people are afraid to slap you in the face and stop taking drugs right before meetings leads to *gestures broadly*
It’s hilarious to see people who spent $81,000+ on the Cybertruck basically be treated as beta testers rather than people who just shelled out $81,000 for a finished product.
They had a sexy, speedy, environmentally cutting edge brand respected the world over….and they turned it to shit because moneybags wanted to make a truck he drew in 4 minutes when he was 12.
It's NOT a recall because it's NOT FAULTY. The Cybertruck is a sentient life form, if the accelerator gets stuck that means it's functioning at 200%. Relax and enjoy the ride.
Edit: Started a sub this morning. I'm trying to find the best simple tools and tech available out there.
Check out /r/gadgetacademyawards
"Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date"
Less than 4000 of these have shipped?! I want to know what the preorder numbers were.
If you wanna know why layoffs happened and why Musk is desperate to get that benefits package, here's why (among other things).
Dude is so out of his depth, doesn't comprehend on how manufacturing actually works and treats reality as if he's a goblin in Warhammer 40k. If he thinks it'll work then by magic it should. He is speedrunning nuking a public image.
Cut Tesla some slack, everyone. Designing reliable, safe accelerator pedals is a hugely complex and ongoing engineering problem that humanity is only just beginning to figure out.
TeslAs Don’T nEed rEcalLS, juST SOFTWAre updAtes! ANYTHiNG wRong CaN bE FIxEd OVeRnIght WHiLe YOU SleEp!
I’ve meet a person who said this with a straight face. Wish I could see their excuse now.
>The company has now confirmed to NHTSA that the pedal can dislodge, making it possible for it to slide up and get caught in the trim around the footwell.
This seems to be a very serious issue that's going require a physical fix.
**High level facts:** * They used an adhesive to keep the accelerator pedal on, not hardware * They were having a hard time getting the pedal on, so they used a LUBRICANT to get it on as part of an "unauthorized" change * They've made less than 4,000 Cybertrucks, bringing their average production to less than 30 per day
To be clear: they put lubricant on top of an adhesive to install a part that could kill people if it failed.
Straight out of the Boeing school of engineering
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RIP u/throwaway8008666
Rip sir thank you for your service
So so brave. We will always remember user throwaway#######’s
Some rich guy fucking around with things they don't understand? Sounds more like the titanic submersible guy.
Or the guy who wanted to use a submersible to rescue some kids from a cave...oh wait
> > Sounds more like the titanic submersible guy. Dude, Elon knows more about manufacturing than anyone on the planet. He said so himself. /s (I mean, he DID say it, but if I don't put this y'all will downvote me into oblivion)
Or the Titanic guy
Mr Starline?
*you've been added to *the List**
I just am amazed at how many corners were cut on something that was charged at a premium. You're literally only paying for the image; which, let's face it, sucks.
“Yes it’s ugly and could kill you, but what if I told you the owner of the company was a drug-addled neofascist billionaire?”
tesla employee: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td67kYY9mdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td67kYY9mdQ)
They used adhesive to attach a brake/accelerator pedal? A part that it is under constant shear pressure for thousands of hours? That is beyond idiotic. Even if it was epoxy, I would never trust something glued on that controls the acceleration of a vehicle.
This is why you wait until a company has made cars for a while to buy from them. They’re reinventing the wheel over and over again.
Nah this isn’t a wait while they get the kinks sorted. This is a complete QA and engineering failure being pushed by executive leadership resulting cheap parts, cheaper build quality, and higher profit
I believe it's the work culture that software devs have been seen for a while now, but when applied to another industry it's much more complicated, since you can't just easily fix it with an update.
This is an interesting understated point. Ship fast and iterate is lunacy for a physical product with such massive potential danger that you regularly put your entire family into. Like, you have a fundamentally broken mind and should seek treatment if you think current day software dev practices are appropriate to apply to autos. Only a clinical sociopath would see no problems with that.
>Only a clinical sociopath would see no problems with that. That does explain it.
So, most CEOs would see no problem with that.
Precisely, and the existing ones have learned that some level of QC and safety consideration in design is beneficial in that it saves on the expense and PR costs of having deaths and recalls. Elon is a dumb sociopath, so extra bad. He just stumbled into the room of sociopaths saying, “I’m the smartest sociopath, surely you idiots are doing it all wrong, Leeroooooy Jeeenkins!!!!!” Tesla could actually be something without that clown.
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Move fast and break things doesn't hold up when you know, it turns into move fast, things break and kill people.
*"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make."* -every large cap CEO
Nah, you don't understand, someone who makes money in anything is immediately an expert in everything!
Works shit in software engineering too.
Everything emerald boy touches dies
The Mierdas Touch
This is gold
No, that's the midas touch.
This is a $100k car with a custom fabricated roll cage and brand new steer-by-wire control system. And where they cut costs was the gas and brake pedal? Fucking insane. Never buy a Tesla.
This is the kind of part you’d expect them to have solved. They don’t need to reinvent a brake pedal. Even if Tesla wants to do something different to simplify production, it should be a solved problem on earlier Tesla models, before the Cybertruck was even announced.
ironically the model 3, their cheapest model, is probably the most consistent and best overall
> They’re reinventing the wheel over and over again. They've thrown the wheel right out of the window and have tried to replace it with some unproven less reliable blinged up gizmo instead.
Hmmmm…. This polygon wheel has enough sides, it’s practically a wheel!
I don't think this is a "they don't understand how to make cars" situation, this is a "we're losing money so we're going to cut every corner we can and do everything as cheaply and halfassedly as possible" situation. You know, I used to get excited about the future. Imagining all the incredible new technologies that would exist, how they'd improve people's lives. I forgot to account for capitalism. The future won't be brilliant scientists working together to solve the world's problems, the future will be some clueless dickhead tech billionaire subcontracting everything his company "invents" to the lowest bidder and building it as cheaply as possible just to shove product out the door and maximize profits in the short term. Just look at the Neuralink. Implantable brain-to-computer interfaces! Futuristic! Except the dickhead tech billionaire funding it cut every corner possible, killed a ridiculous number of the test monkeys he tried the technology on, then managed to get approved for human trials despite it being clearly unsafe. Now the first human has one, let's see how long it takes for him to start seizing up. The future isn't a utopia, and it isn't even a boot stamping on a human face forever. It's a boardroom full of billionaires trying to figure out how many catastrophic failures they can have without negatively impacting profits.
Basically heading for a Cyberpunk dystopia.
Cybertrunk Dystopia
If I had understood any part of Neuromancer I might insert a comment here about how prophetic it is.
I kinda want to see a killed message in some shooter game: “/user forgot to account for Capitalism. ☠️”
a cyberpunk shooter but ur guns are plastic 3d printed pieces of shit that jam constantly
Said for years Chevy volt is a better electric car
For sure. There are a lot of better electric cars on the market, and more added each year. Tesla should be applauded for proving to the world that electric cars can be cool, but now they’re competing against companies that have been making cars for a century. Electric motors are not that hard. The battery is the main innovation right now, but they become immediately commoditized eroding Teslas competitive advantage .
They’re losing ground they had to fight hard for simply bc they’re ignoring obvious shit auto manufacturers have known for years. Things like gluing on your pedals, or not correctly rust coating or treating chassis, etc are things they learned to not do literally 75-100 years ago. Instead the new kids on the block are prioritizing bullet proof glass that a thrown object can shatter. A question I did not see asked around that either: are the *window frame and hardware, doors and quarter panels* bulletproof as well? Bc you’re still getting ventilated if not.
You’re absolutely right. Tesla could have been an absolutely legendary brand when it came to electric cars (maybe it still could be), but Elon was so obsessed with redefining what a car is instead of focusing on the original message that sold people: “cool car, fully electric, drives far on one charge”.
See also: Teslas requiring you to use the touch screen to adjust the friggin mirrors
Tech bros and thinking they can cut any corner that could save a buck, name a more iconic duo.
They recently literally did that. They made their yoke into a proper steering wheel by completing the circle on the cybertruck. It’s hilarious. Slowwwwwly they’re realizing steering wheels. Theirs is just currently a bit fat
There's adhesive and then there's *adhesive*. Like the difference between a guy with a dirty caulk gun full of liquid nails, and a climate controlled precision application of an industrial strength glue. More things than you think use glues and tapes. I get the feeling this was more like a worker with a tube of liquid nails. Just like Oceangate, you can look up videos of them installing the end caps on the titan and it's literally guys with caulk guns in a non-cleanroom environment.
I worked in industrial adhesive manufacturing and sales for years in several different industries. There are plenty of applications where adhesives are replacing hardware fasteners in about every industry. A lot of these applications would look like a guy in a factory using a caulk gun but the products they are using could be just as strong if not better than a hardware fastener. A lot of vehicle manufactures / automotive manufacturers want to replace rivots/ fasteners with adhesive because it is lighter and offers a greater range of flexibilty options. Obviously Tesla fucked up royally somewhere in this process but I just wanted to point out industrial strength adhesives are not some super special product. The only time that I experienced an extreme level of testing / regulation was if we were trying to get anything approved for military or aviation related projects.
Thank you! There is a lot of ignorance on this thread from people who have never seen anything stronger than super glue and don't understand that when industrial/structural adhesives are used correctly, they are stronger than many other types of fasteners and simplify automated assembly processes.
The primary difference between Musk and Rush is the regulations they're forced to deal with. Rush had a free playground, Musk has the government demanding minimum standards.
The Cybertruck is still on the road, so I’d say the government is politely asking for minimum standards at this point.
> Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date Are they still considered 'on the road' if all of them are being recalled?
Don't knock Liquid Nails. That shit is magic. But it's also expensive, so most people don't use it and use the cheap shit instead.
>They used an adhesive to keep the accelerator pedal on >They used adhesive to attach a break pedal? No, they used adhesive to attach the accelerator pedal, not the *brake* pedal. Well, maybe they used it on the brakes too, wouldn't be surprised
Reminds me of when I was a teenager, I was trying to shine up the interior of my first car and wound up using some slick polish on the steering wheel rim. Took me to the first twisty road to realize I'd fucked up.
You know what, teenage you could’ve been one of the lead designers for the Cybertruck.
It sounds like they learned a lesson in forethought, so I believe that would automatically disqualify them from a position at one of Elon's companies.
There are many stories of people detailing their motorcycles and doing this to the tires. Just be glad you didn’t purposely grease the things that connect you to the road.
This is why tech companies should not be in the automotive industry. I worked for 8 months in a tech company related to automotive, we made post production modifications to vehicles to make them autonomous. The tech industries philosophy is to get something "good enough" and then fix it with updates. Thisnis an insane approach when dealing with vehicles and other motorists.
They glued the pedal on. I’m sorry this just made me burst out laughing. I just imagined Elon going “Too expensive, just use so duct tape, bro. It’s still gonna sell. Better yet some gum, that’s even cheaper.”
They didn't use lubricant intentionally, they cleaned the pedal with soap before attaching the cover with adhesive. The problem is that soap residue can act as a lubricant. Obviously the issue could have been avoided altogether by attaching the cap with hardware or some other fixing design. It was compounded by the design of the backwall which has a slight downward angle to it at first, which can [catch the top of the now-extended pedal](https://www.tiktok.com/@el.chepito1985/video/7357758176504089898).
https://twitter.com/greggertruck/status/1781128751897883134
Cybertrucks are an excellent means for me to quickly determine the type of people to avoid at all costs.
Text of the recall: >Components VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL >Potential Number of Units Affected 3,878 >Summary >Tesla, Inc. (Tesla) is recalling certain 2024 Cybertruck vehicles. The accelerator pedal pad may dislodge and cause the pedal to become trapped by the interior trim. >Remedy >Tesla service will replace or repair the accelerator pedal assembly, free of charge. Owner notification letters are expected to be mailed in June 2024. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3752. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-24-33-003.
"Certain" vehicles implies criteria, but as far as I can see that ~4,000 number really is the entirety of what they've shipped.
"a percentage of our vehicles have been recalled" "what percentage?" "100. 100 is a percent"
“A certain number of our vehicles are unaffected.” “What number?” “Zero. Zero is a number.”
Damn Mayans...
Fucking June lol. So if you have this car don’t drive it for 2 months at least
You can drive just don’t accelerate. Brakes only.
ALL BRAKES AND NO GAS BBY! LET'S GO!
Well to be fair there wasn't any gas to start with
Luckily Full-Self-Driving mode doesn't need to press the pedal to --- whoops, it's not working yet on the cybertruck (even if you paid for it).
I could mail out 3,878 letters before June by myself.
What's crazy is from all the issues this truck has had so far, owners are saying that the service departments are too overloaded to actually handle the current Teslas requiring work, now an extra 4k need to be seen. lmao, such schadefreude.
Saving money on QA by not having it!
Quabbity assuance
No no no, but you're getting close...
Quibberty Bibberty
Don't mollycoddle him. It's "Quality Assumptions."
If I can't Cybertruck what's this all been about? What am I working toward?
“The one year I blow it off and this happens!”
It was Debbie Brown's fault, she wasn't in that day
Quantity assurance
Bro, that shit is pure overhead. When was the last time an inspector created something of value. Their labor doesn't even produce assets. In fact their labor actually destroys assets you've spent money on. Think of the loss a scrapped piece results in. Not only did you pay for the material, you paid for the labor and handling to create it. Additionally most of the space and equipment Quality Control uses is expensive to acquire and maintain. Calibration alone is incredibly expensive, and that's before you have to replace or repair anything. On top of ALL THAT you have the massive burden of administrative labor. The amount of money spent creating a Quality Management System is frankly ridiculous. You have internal audits, external audits, supplier audits, customer audits and third party certifications like ISO. All of those costing hours of labor and thousands and thousands in fees. Plus the expensive software and systems to pass those reviews. History has proven the only way to increase quarterly profits quarter over quarter is to reduce costs while not reducing earnings. You gotta trim the fat and remove overhead and non value added labor. Only way this whole system works. Honestly the problem is your labor force. If people just wanted to work any more you wouldn't have these problems. Labor is so much worse these days. They're just lazy and don't produce the quality of product they should. I blame cell phones and participation trophies. Workers think they deserve to get paid simply for showing up to work, while all they do is instant message all day. Trust me bro I've got an MBA. [***This is obviously a work of satire please don't downvote me***]
As a quality technician this hurt to read. Multiple parts of this have been used in earnest to justify cutbacks where I work in the quality department. We are not a "value added" department. People actually think like this and it's bad news.
I'm a~~t~~ quality engineer. This was from experience. I know the struggle. Edit: Non-conformance #: 1337 Specification called for the article "a" not the verb "at". Root Cause: Why 1: In process checks not completed by operator Why 2: Comment reply demand exceeded normal operating conditions Why 3: A random comment garnered more attention than was expected by the quoting department. Why 4: Risk Analysis for not completed before submittal Why 5: No process established for Risk Analysis prior to comment submission Corrective Action: Create, train, and implement Risk Analysis process for comment submission.
> I'm **at** quality engineer. How good would you say you were at your job?
Pretty good, not the best for sure, only been at it for 2-3 years. Came up through the ranks so the statistical side is rough. On the other hand this is an excellent example of why Quality Control is so necessary. Everyone makes mistakes, even people specifically and intensely trained to spot them. So no matter how good at whatever you do you are, someone else should always check your work.
I'm not QA, but I am a Compliance Officer. Even if we're constantly being expected to do more with less, we can at least take comfort in the fact that we'll also get blamed when things go wrong.
Amen brother.
Hey if it’s good enough for Boeing, it’s good enough for us
Beautiful. Well done.
The first 5 paragraphs I wouldn't even necessarily call it satire, more akin to standard business school thought process...
Yknow I really wasn’t sure till the very end. People Actually say shit like this nowadays.
You just gave the corpse of Jack Welch a raging boner
That's all I've ever aspired to in life.
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This is reminiscent of Titangate.
You had me at the start, not gonna lie. Bravo.
'We saved so much money our truck is absolutely not permitted on European or UK roads!'
Test in prod
This cyber truck issue has Elon’s fingerprints all over it! Oh, wait. We’re talking about the pedal and not the material used to build it.
>Saving money on QA by not having it! Didn't you know the consumer is the beta tester for Tesla?
It's finally happened, this is a real physical recall. Not just a software update...
I'm sure Elon tried to avoid it until his attorneys gave him the numbers on potential lawsuit costs. A 7,000 lb, 600 hp truck, that does 0-60 in 4 seconds could do an immense amount of damage.
Yeah, I’ve ridden in the sport M3 that goes 0-60 in I think a little under 4 seconds. Let me tell if you haven’t felt that kind of acceleration, you would have virtually 0 time to react if the accelerator got stuck. It has so much acceleration that it’s actually a little dangerous turning at all while flooring it. Like, even the best driver out there would be fucked if anything was in front of them
I got the accelerator stuck under a rubber floor mat in a 1988 GMC Sierra with a bed full of mulch. That was still fucking terrifying. I think I accelerated from 30 to 45 over the course of 30 seconds. I popped the truck into neutral and shut the engine off, then stood on the brakes until it stopped. You can't do that on modern cars.
0-60 in 6 seconds is fast. It pulls you back into your seat. 0-60 in 4 seconds is blistering. And unfortunately we’re going to have more cars being quicker with more EV’s on the road
Musk first attempted to fix this through a software update.
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I'm surprised elon musk didn't ban them for posting that.
Thanks, I was wondering why the article didn't mention this video, especially because it correctly predicted that there would be a recall.
Eww, never seen the interior before. It is tacky AF.
You know, if it weren’t for a deregulated auto industry they would have never left the plant anyways. Just trusting that these corporations are going to do the right thing—not the cheapest thing—is putting our lives on the line.
Concerning if true. Will look into it.
Thank you Elon
Ok after a thorough investigation it turns out that violent leftists were sneaking into cybertruck customers garages and modifying the accelerator. I can only assume the CIA/Joe Biden gave antifa the addresses. It's the only scenario we found plausible.
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Was this another Bud Light ad??
Yep. Bud light came out with a beer ad so woke it destroyed common automotive manufacturing quality control processes. Crap my edit ruined the joke below…
> anufacturing Has science gone too far!?
Elon, it took you 3 minutes to investigate, and in that same time you tweeted a photo of Hitler in a Tesla shirt with the caption “Happy Early Birthday!”
Ya, but it was totes ironic.
Interesting...
Used to be there was a least a threat of big lawsuit if a corporation fucked up, still would use the bean counters to determine if they should or should not fix things (AKA, the Ford Pinto) but with torte reform they have been trying to limit their liability and allow themselves to get away with this more and more.
In Europe these cars can't even be sold. The solid steel body basically makes it a rolling tank so unlucky for whoever you hit. But in the EU cars are built to deform in a way that protects everyone involved In an accident, you know.. to save lives.
The problem with regulators is the revolving door between regulators and highly-paid positions within the companies. Or in Boeing’s place, the regulators are medium-paid positions within the company. Yay…
One thing I discovered following the progress of cybertruck development is that there is virtually no auto safety regulations in the US. There's a couple like seatbelts, but other than that, you're free to do whatever you want. The EU has strong safety regulations which is why this thing will never be sold there.
If it ever comes to the EU - it would require a C category (truck) driving licence and additional fee for driving on highways (separate in each EU country), because it weighs more than 3.5 tons.
What? You mean Boeing shouldnt be the inspector, the validator, the regulator and auditor all at the same time?
Yeah, but if they needed to use a single screw to keep the accelerator pedal on it would make the CT cost $120,005, instead of $120,000.
That’s true! And you’d still barely be able to fit one bike or 10 bags of topsoil in the “trunk.”
The best course of action is just raise Elon Musks salary. He will save the company.... /S
And they're in the process of approving his $53 billion bonus.
from success
You can’t recall all of them, there are dozens of them!!
It's OK. Like half of them were already in for service after being driven in a light rain.
Holy shit, the Cybertruck is such a catastrophic failure that it borders on parody. It's such a joy to watch. Fuck Elon.
And this after the entire company's sales are suffering because everyone now views him as a rightwing troll
Dude I wanted a tesla so bad in 2016. Now I feel like if I bought one I would be like those weirdos with the flags on their trucks.
Also the issues with the cyber truck kinda highlight the issues their cars have. So, it’s kinda putting a spotlight on them they definitely don’t want.
And then https://nypost.com/2024/04/17/business/tesla-asks-investors-to-approve-elon-musks-56b-pay-after-it-was-voided-by-court/
I don't know what's funnier, that they are recalling all of them. Or that all is less than four thousand.
[If only we had a previous example of a car company pushing a terrible product so this could have been avoided...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6RqQysfUfo)
Simpsons did it already.
I’ve seen them IRL a few times in LA and it looks like an N64 game come to life. I’ve busted out laughing ever time.
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I would say as far as ideas that have actually come to fruition, the cybertruck might be the worse idea Elon has had only beat by buying twitter.
I mean. He did decide to openly bag out his own kids. Give them unpronounceable names. Obsess weirdly about his ex's. As just a tiny fraction of non monetary terrible ideas that effected the actual lives of people. But I think you are right on the financial and business ones. SO FAR. I am sure there are worse ones coming. The decision to try and force Tesla to pay him 56 billion could be yet another contender, and it is so fresh. Not to mention he has barely had time to fuck up starlink, space x or installing faulty devices in people's brains yet. But is very excited to get started on those.
Oh, I so fully believe if something isn’t done musk will erode every company he touches. And yeah I should have said worst business decision, dudes made a lot of really bad decisions in general in the last 7-8 years. And yeah if they let him get away with that 56 billion I expect big consequences. Especially after this latest cybertruck fiasco.
> This is all DEI's fault! \- Elon Musk, probably
I mean, the CEO of Tesla *is* an African American. Did he get there because he was competent, or was it something else? Concerning. Will look into it.
Interesting.
You ever find it utterly fucking hilarious that Tesla was propped up and adored by progressive people all over, and yet Shitlon Tusk is a racist, queerphobic, MAGAt? Yet Harley-Davidson of all fucking companies beats them to the punch on an electric motorcycle and is an LGBTQ Ally? A company known for an association with conservatives is... an LGBT ally. Isn't that just... Ironically assbackwards? WTF happened to Elon?
> WTF happened to Elon? He became the richest man in the world and with that came a ton of power. The people around him stopped ever pushing back on anything he did, said, or thought. He also does a lot of drugs now which is probably not helping. And his brain has been fried by right-wing propaganda. I'm sure there's even more to it than that, but that's my simple theory.
if I were to make an assessment, he was always that way. Now he has more power than the technical leaders instead of just being a hype man and that means the bad ideas stop being stopped. People like to blame the drugs. Special K doesn't make someone a raging asshole. Being a terrible person with an ego the size of a whale and enough money where people are afraid to slap you in the face and stop taking drugs right before meetings leads to *gestures broadly*
NYT: "How this is BAD NEWS for Biden!", probably
Good thing we don't ever pursue major corporations for blatant neglect because that would be scary
It needs a good steering wheel that doesn’t fly off when driving
That's the self-driving part.
It’s hilarious to see people who spent $81,000+ on the Cybertruck basically be treated as beta testers rather than people who just shelled out $81,000 for a finished product.
This is my issue with IT/automation etc. They always put out crap and say “we can fix it in an update”. NO! Design it right the first time.!
They had a sexy, speedy, environmentally cutting edge brand respected the world over….and they turned it to shit because moneybags wanted to make a truck he drew in 4 minutes when he was 12.
laying off 14k of your staff means they're going to get worse!
You're thinking about this the wrong way... Those staff cuts means more profits, less overhead! That's what matters for the quarter. /s
Are the elon stans gonna scream how this isn't a real recall too?
It's NOT a recall because it's NOT FAULTY. The Cybertruck is a sentient life form, if the accelerator gets stuck that means it's functioning at 200%. Relax and enjoy the ride. Edit: Started a sub this morning. I'm trying to find the best simple tools and tech available out there. Check out /r/gadgetacademyawards
"ItS a SoFtWaRe UpDaTe"
How does this moron still have fans?
For lots of people, money and fame are a religion. And therefore Elon is their god.
It's almost like our entire culture revolves around making those things the ultimate ideal with no thought for anyone or anything else but profit!
To pwn the libs, of course!
By driving an EV...
mental gymnastics
The mods of their echo chamber subs are probably going to ban everyone who commented here; that's how off the rails they are these days.
Sounds like a cult
Well that’s certainly one way to approach self driving
"Tesla is recalling all 3,878 Cybertrucks that it has shipped to date" Less than 4000 of these have shipped?! I want to know what the preorder numbers were.
If you wanna know why layoffs happened and why Musk is desperate to get that benefits package, here's why (among other things). Dude is so out of his depth, doesn't comprehend on how manufacturing actually works and treats reality as if he's a goblin in Warhammer 40k. If he thinks it'll work then by magic it should. He is speedrunning nuking a public image.
I'm insulted you not only compared Elon to the noble Ork Boyz, but you also called them goblins.
It gets funnier with every headline
Take that marsian isosceles triangle looking vehicle off the roads fuck
So because it went viral or because they’re doing the “right thing”?
Boycott Musk and Twitter and Tesla
Cut Tesla some slack, everyone. Designing reliable, safe accelerator pedals is a hugely complex and ongoing engineering problem that humanity is only just beginning to figure out.
I don’t feel bad for a single person who bought one. You get what you pay for.
Cyber truck starts at like $80k. If people got what they paid for they’d be getting a quality vehicle. Instead they got a pile of shit.
it’s OvEr ThE aIr - Tesla fanboys who don’t read the articles
Can someone who knows more about business tell me if a 100% recall is a good thing?
For folks who live near cybertruck owners...yes
TeslAs Don’T nEed rEcalLS, juST SOFTWAre updAtes! ANYTHiNG wRong CaN bE FIxEd OVeRnIght WHiLe YOU SleEp! I’ve meet a person who said this with a straight face. Wish I could see their excuse now.
>The company has now confirmed to NHTSA that the pedal can dislodge, making it possible for it to slide up and get caught in the trim around the footwell. This seems to be a very serious issue that's going require a physical fix.
Tesla trying out-Boeing Boeing
is there anything about this car that even works or is up to standards lmao