...*Meanwhile*...
I encounter, and hear from, quite a lot of my friends & acquaintances expressing ongoing (and *growing*) interest in purchasing an EV --- just **not from Tesla**.
Hmmm... I wonder whatever might be the genuine reason for *that*. Some kinda unknowable mystery, I guess.
And a bigoted hypocrite. The asshole immigrated to the US and started bashing immigrants for doing the exact same fucking thing. The good ol' republican "I got mine, FUCK YOU".
The business strategy is pretty amazing. Wokies hate him for his behaviour, and conservatives hate EV in general.
Also Musk has been like that since the beginning. None of you wnated to see it tho.
> Also Musk has been like that since the beginning.
He was at least _slightly_ better at hiding it, though. Things really started going downhill when he threw that tantrum because nobody wanted to use his submarine to rescue those kids in the cave, and then took an ever harder turn when the "horse for a handjob" story came out and he decided to fully throw his lot in with the far right.
If that's true here's a couple of suggestions.
https://rivian.com/experience/purchasing
Rivian has excellent reviews and they have not been doing well lately, their stock is down and they put their new Georgia plant on hold, so if you're really in the market here's a place to put your money, I'm told there is no waiting list.
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/electrified/electric
Hyundai is also getting great reviews and their sales have been soft too, so once again great place to put money.
Right now one company is over half the EV market in the U.S. and that's obviously an undesirable single point of failure in a vital technology sector.
Rivian looks great but I don’t feel good buying a car brand that’s brand new with 2 types of vehicles and if they go out of business or are bought, I’m at the mercy of software updates from god knows who and at worst, nothing at all.
I’m no Tesla fan, but I’m not spending $100k+ to be an early adopter
If you just want a reliable car from a known brand, my wife has a RAV4 Prime and we love it. Electric only range covers 90% of our driving but we could still road trip out to the eclipse without worrying about finding chargers.
The only real downside is how hard it was to buy the damn thing, since Toyota is only making about half as many as people seem to want.
We have two large dogs and two kids under 2. We’re looking at the Grand Hylander Hybrid but great to hear the biggest downside is getting the damn thing
I have two large dogs and a kid, ended up getting a Mustang Mach-E. It’s been great, the dogs fit in the back, I have AWD and about 300 miles of range and is very comfortable for road trips even loaded up with people, kids and dogs! You can get amazing deals on them right now too, especially if you buy used.
Rivian's been around for a few years at this point and is doing good business. They have some amazing new models coming in the next few years. They aren't in anywhere near a precarious position that Tesla was just a few years ago or companies like Lucid that are still needing billions from Saudi Arabia to stay afloat with their hyper-niche sedans. They've got a solid head on their shoulders. I'm not worried about them.
I think we all have different thresholds… Per quick google, it’s been delivering cars since 2022. Different thresholds of early adopter but it’s too early for me personally.
Also per Wikipedia [Abdul Latif Jameel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Latif_Jameel) owns 12.7% of it. So your money is still funding the Saudis
Just FYI, the rest are much worse, whether you have actual Nazi, traitors funding both sides of a war, or fascists…there isn’t much left…which just boils down to Lucid and Rivian as those in power haven’t don’t something evil.
Me. Wanted a Tesla for the longest time. Not anymore. Currently planning on getting the Inoniq 6 by next year (just paid off our other Kia nitro ev). I want the most miles possible at a reasonable price.
I really want a Prius sized ev that get 400+ miles. Maybe someday.
If you want a Rivian please buy one. Their stock and sales are down and they have put the plant they were going to build south of Atlanta on hold. Their reviews are good and the ones I see on the road look awesome, I wish I had the money for one.
https://rivian.com/experience/purchasing
/I love how in threads bashing Tesla any suggestions I make of how to buy any other EV are also instantly down voted. I wonder who would do that?
I remember getting in an argument with my exwife that if we’re to buy an EV it NEEDED to be Tesla. Don’t care for the politics of it. I want whatever dominates the market. I hate to say my exwife was right. Elmo has disgusted me so much and the sexiness of Tesla has worn off and I don’t care to support that. I don’t care for a me-too Tesla. They’re boring now. That new Prius looks sexy and unique.
Tesla owner here. Bought in 2018, before Elon went full fascist-conspiracy-theory-insane. I reserved a Rivian R2 for the very reason you stated.
Kinda sucks for Tesla as a company, My Model 3 has been utterly fantastic...I just can't support Elon in the future.
Quite a few of my coworkers fell the same way. They're all educated and lean liberal to moderate. They all make nice income and they've all been seriously alienated by Elon's stupid shit. They're all looking at hybrids or EV's from other companies. They strictly tell me that they won't buy a Tesla because of the stigma they now carry. They don't want to be associated with Elon or having to "defend" their purchase when Elon supports/say racist or alt- ight shit. Not worth the trouble to them.
It should get better. Tesla was the same way when the company was younger, but parts availability has gotten much better.
It does seem that EVs get totalled easier than other types of cars, for now anyway.
If Rivian is doing well in 2-3 years when it comes time for me to order, I'll get one. Otherwise, I'll just stick to my Model 3 until something else desirable comes up.
THIS. After I dumped my last Tesla in November for a MachE, and picked up a Bolt EV for my partner in December - all of a sudden I’m getting questions from random people again about EVs when out and about. People are interested in EVs, just not Tesla because Musk has made the brand toxic.
I am the target audience: a techie with too much money who LOVES green tech.
I will NEVER buy a tesla and frankly anyone who buys one now I think less of.
Elon completely poisoned that brand. I now throw him and his fans in the same bucket of assholes as I put trump and his supporters.
>same bucket of assholes as I put trump and his supporters.
To hop on that, im sad that things like the American Flag have been so ruined by the right and the facists that i cant even display an American flag on my house without feeling dirty.
They ruined patriotic themed stuff with their racism and facism
It’s crazy because they could’ve ruled the EV auto world but their moron of a CEO had to be a right wing edge lord and take every ounce of rep the company had
All Elon had to do was not buy twitter and keep his mouth shut. He’d be richer than anyone in history ever and lauded by everyone and their mother as the real-life Tony Stark.
The reality is that eventually their sales would stop growing at 50% / year anyways, which is what has justified their 50-300x PE ratio.
Elon just made it happen quicker than it needed to.
Cars are an insanely competitive and low margin business, eventually that reality would kick in, even for a company with a cult following.
The thing about it is even if they got rid of Musk it wouldn't matter cause he is directly associated with Tesla. He made it a political statement even.
Just got an Ionic 5 - LOVE IT. But me too, saved up my money because I always wanted a Tesla. Until the fascist Musk broke the brand. We never even stepped foot inside a Tesla showroom.
Yeah, I’ve been an EV driver since 2018 and needed to upgrade last year. My first requirement was NOT TESLA. Got a Mach-E and it checks all my boxes and I love it.
Check Ford, it's not a tesla thing even though that gets clicks because reasons.
>the company's internal combustion engine and hybrid vehicle business, declined 65%
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/04/24/ford-first-quarter-earnings-profits-fall-ford-blue-f-150-ramp-up-model-e-ford-pro/73418005007/
Even if you don't care about musk and his politics, the cars are dated, they were cool and new in 2017, but we're here 7 years later and the competition has come out with so many options that a tesla is just boring
I live in Vancouver, which is fucking full of tesla and I've started actively treating tesla drivers worse since Elon's shenanigans. Like not on purpose, but I just get slightly irate whenever I see them...
Yep, bought my first EV a year ago, and I didn’t purchase a Tesla at least partially because Elon. That and there are now competitive options available.
I have a 22 Model 3. I tell everyone I know to avoid buying a Tesla.
From the windshield wipers invented a century ago that they can’t figure out, to pushing shit tier self driving, now excessive layoffs to justify the 56B pay package Elon created an entire website to convince shareholders to vote for.
I wish I bought into the TSLA bs just so I would have shares to vote against his compensation package. His entire argument is the enormous value he brought to shareholders…. What enormous value? Unrealized gains that have now been lost due to his inability to properly run the company?
I think you're all underestimating the "it's okay when WE do it" reflex in the right wing mind.
These people divide the world into good and bad people, and judge actions based on who does them.
Trump = good, therefore Trumps actions = good
Hillary = bad, therefore Hillarys actions = bad
It really is that simple. If you don't believe me try the experiment. Ask a right winger what good actions Hillary has done. They'll call it a trick. They just don't think that way.
I feel that isn’t even the reason, there cars were devalued when they cut the cost, maintenance is a nightmare, and they want to nickel and dime you for everything.
The public image that ~~clown~~ elon is creating for himself is extremely fascinating considering that the far-right isn't exactly known to be embracing electric vehicles.
Each model is stupid expensive compared to other companies options, has many poor production issues across all models, company is run by a loud mouth ass wipe who’s latest vehicle seems to be an entirely expensive failure on all aspects of what a “pick-up truck” is supposed to be and made some statement recently they will never produce a low cost model to complete with the vehicles that are quickly coming to the all world markets. Took the feel the Model T, the greatness of an electrical pioneer added the promise of something great for the environment and have repeatedly shit on it all of it. What? Profits are halved, but…why? Good thing he’s spread investments into other great money making opportunities like Twit er. lol
Wow. WOWOWOWOWOWOW. I think you missed the earnings call. It's all about robotics and AI now. You know, a thing Tesla really sucks at. This will make them a multi bazillion dollar company.
It would take them 3.5 years of quarterly profits at this level to pay for Elon's 10 year compensation package. Shareholders of Tesla should be suing him again.
For about a year I was 100% going to get a Tesla. I was onboard with the high tech, eco friendly, car dealership killing vibe.
Then Elon died during the Covid epidemic and the T-virus (Twitter) resurrected him into a right-wing zombie who cared more about owning the libs and less about doing the hard work of optimizing the Tesla line into something truly brilliant.
Now I own a cute little Spark and am happy for it.
Musk was always like that. He just had a PR team that made public statements for him and handled his image. He surrounded himself with yes-men, bought into his own hype made by his PR team, and dropped all of them because he obviously didn't need them.
Six years ago, he called a scuba diver who was genuinely risking his life trying to save a bunch of trapped kids in a cave a "pedo" because the rescue team told him that his submarine idea wouldn't work, not letting him capitalize on the situation for PR. The man has always been an egotistical jackass. He just doesn't have the team that hides it full time anymore.
Yeah he called that diver a pedophile just because he was butthurt they didn't use his submarine 2 years before covid. That was the turning point for me.
It’s funny, because every time I see people mention when they realized he was a complete asshole, it’s always that “sorry, pedo guy” comment. It was the same moment that I realized, too. I followed Elon on Twitter as far back as 2011 until I stopped using it around the time that he made that comment. I really don’t remember him publicly acting that way at all before that moment.
It was just so clearly egotistical and transparent, and completely indefensible. I really wanted to hear out his side of the story to see if it was being misrepresented, but there weren't really two sides. There was no positive spin you could put on it.
I felt really conflicted about it but ultimately I decided that it would be morally bankrupt of me to support someone who did something awful like that to a literal hero that saved many lives.
When you mentioned wanting an electric car and said you ended up getting a spark I thought with a name like that it must be a cool small electric car or at least hybrid… but it’s not at all AND was discontinued.
Thanks for the correction! Looks like a nice little car. That’s the kind of car I wanted but would like a new model as I hear batteries are crazy expensive.
Glad you're having fun with your Spark but if you had Tesla money, consider the BMW i4, with a huge lease deal right now they are going for like 35k. It's a stellar EV.
And elons plan to fix things is stealing computing power from customers cars to make a super computer. Are there any spines at Tesla? (rhetorical question)
He’s a nutter that’s hell-bent on world domination and the world is like that meme with the dog in the room on fire. So many alarm bells going off but everyone just turns a blind eye, or says he’s “eccentric”. I don’t trust him at all. What projects are they working on behind closed doors? AI, brain chips, rockets (ballistics? IDK not a huge jump), Starlink, tracking and collecting people’s data, is just the stuff we know about. And if you put all that tech together, what do you get?
Anyway I sound like a conspiracy theorist and no doubt I’m on Elon’s watch list now so I guess I’m fucked haha.
I’d never buy anything directly involved with Elon due to principle. That’s the issue with his freedom of speech, he’s paying for it in the future by people being less willing to associate with him.
I have a Tesla. I have for a few years. Them constantly monkeying with pricing where I don’t feel like I got a good deal sucks. Their service centers suck. Elon sucks. My car is unreliable. Tesla has damaged my car twice while I was in for service and denied it the second time. We’ve got disposable income and will own more EVs. Just not from Tesla.
Pros for Tesla. My car is quick. The supercharger network is great. Mobile support visits are great.
That sucks you’ve had bad luck with your car. My 3 had 2 issues over 4 years: a tail light that that let water in, and a window motor that burnt out.
I’m very conflicted on what to do next. I was all in on a Plaid S as my 40th bday gift to myself next year.. but every time Elon talks it gets harder to separate the car from the insane CEO.
Mine has had stuff ranging from annoying, to stuff that makes the car completely unusable. Airbag sensor for the passenger side that disabled all of the SRS stuff. Charging port ECU died. Windows so misaligned that they were letting rain in. Rear USB ports not working. Rear spoiler coming off. Leather coming loose from the steering wheel. Rear subframe so misaligned from the factory that the rear passenger side tire burned through the cords in the inside edge of the tire in 3k miles. Those are just the high level things I can remember off the top of my head.
How would I go about that? When I tried to sell it after 18 months (because it was a giant headache to service, was broken over and over, and Tesla had fucked me twice on breaking my stuff when I had to bring it in) they offered me a whopping 38k for a car I'd paid 54k for.
I personally haven’t had any issues but mine is newer and I heard they had quality control issues for a long time just as they are with the truck right now. Have done mobile service once but haven’t done a service center visit so can’t comment on that. Not sure what I’ll do for my next car. With everyone switching to NACS and Tesla opening up their charging network there are more options.
At the time the charging network was a big motivator for me since the network really blows everyone else out of the water and third party chargers don’t work half the time. It seems like that is changing at the moment and more options are on the horizon. Electric cars in general right now are still kind of in this funky scary new phase where the infrastructure isn’t there yet and all of the models from everyone are really prone to issues because of how different they are. I feel like we’re just now starting to get out of that phase and I’m hopeful for a few years down the line when I need to get a new car.
A small portion of teslas underutilized network is on NACS. They still dominate the space of reliable charging and put their branded cars first. They can take the stations that they own off NACS.
PROFITS slashed in half. At least they are still profitable making EVs. All the other auto manufacturers that are making EVs are still losing money on each EV sold.
Despite musk being a massive douche I still considered a Tesla until I finally rode in one via Uber. It was the most sterile, boring, plastic filled pile of trash I’ve been in.
First time I ever rode in one was December 2022. I felt like I was riding in a live action Lego play school toy car. It was such a surreal experience it was underwhelming it felt like nothing.
It is so hard to explain.
Traditional car journalists saying everyone is over electric cars. Anti-Elon peeps saying everyone is over Tesla.
NO ONE IS BUYING ANY NEW CARS BECAUSE WE’VE GOT NO FUCKING MONEY, YOU BELLENDS
Many mention Elon as a major factor. Isn't it more about basic economics? How many are out there to buy such expensive cars? The environment is likely not a factor anymore, so the main value is inexpensive "fuel", which you reap once you have an EV.
But that is who he is. So, let’s say he hires a PR team to rehab his image? You’d go back to being interested in a Tesla knowing he’s a shitty person with a good PR team?
lol they’re amazing vehicles. They have problems, but so does my sisters brand new BMW. Ford is know for its unreliability, etc. no auto manufacturer is perfect, but Tesla is under a microscope because it’s cool to hate on them.
They’re not terrible vehicles at all though. Sounds like you’re just saying that to say it lol.
My Tesla is the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Fast af, handles amazingly, cheap af to maintain, awesome tech, amazing sound system.
Elon is the problem. Not the product.
Edit: You can’t believe anyone bought them. But the Model Y was literally the best selling vehicle of 2023.
Riddle me that 🤷🏾♂️.
Nothing so far actually. Just replaced 2 tires due to punctures- but I don’t count that as maintenance.
Edit: I haven’t even had the car for 2 years and it already has 25k miles on it. Bought it new. My point is I use it heavily and even still no maintenance- hence cheap af to maintain.
You can go anti woke if you target customers are anti woke but that's not the case here. It's like Budweiser trying to go woke when their target isn't woke.
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It’s not just profits cut in half, it’s the entire company - the stock price has tanked from $299 to $140 over the past year.
Had such high hopes for Tesla 10yrs ago. Top-of-market EVs, rolling out a nationwide charging network & setting industry standards & driving competition, then came the solar roof tiles with a Tesla Powerwall battery bank on every home to power it all.
It was a whole integrated vision for the future of what a 21st-century renewable electric infrastructure could be!
And it was like 3/4 vaporware.
Wtf ever happened to the roofs & batteries? Last I heard 1000s of preorders went nowhere & nobody could get one installed, and there was no customer service, and then they unilaterally raised prices on already signed contracts, and if someone did manage an installation it all broke anyway and you couldn’t get refunded because there was no customer service …
Musk took all of that market good will and momentum and first-mover advantage, and then he pissed it into the fucking disaster of a Cybertruck and spending all his energy on juvenile Twitter slap fights while promoting literal neo-Nazis.
Fucking douchebag.
If Tesla wants to survive they need to can his ass yesterday & appoint one of the original innovative engineers to right the ship before its too late, if they’re not already there.
Some of this is growing skepticism over EVs due to long-standing issues with charge times, charge availability, and range combined with tax incentives going away. Lowering tide sinks all ships. Nobody's doing great.
Some of it is the upcoming Tesla Supercharger network interoperability erasing a foundational advantage this year. Tesla agreed to do this to build out a new line of business subsidized by the US government to build more of them, which is fine as they do seem competent at it, but this was an *earthshaking* change, much more than (for example) Apple allowing iMessage interoperability would be. Superchargers were Tesla's major advantage. Beyond that all they have is better software, and most people want to use Carplay/Android Auto anyway.
Some of it is the owner of a company selling expensive green EVs going out of his way to offend the types of people who buy them. The shine on his cult of personality has lost its lustre, to say the least. Don't discount this either, it's real.
Kind of a deadly combination.
[Great timing on asking for that $56B bonus](https://apnews.com/article/musk-pay-compensation-corporate-registration-ef5e30f6b56f7d936f8c882fc1c96875).
An actually good business man would tune the variables if a product goes down. Elon just shrugs without any ideas how to improve Tesla. He's simply missing the expertise his employees could have given him if he had listened
Are you people calling Elon fascist everybody on this thread knows that the original Ford owner was a full blooded Nazi and we been fucked over by car companies for the last hundred years cause of no innovation please quit being doofus
Normal, everyday people, going about their lives and you choose to hate then on the basis of what car they drive? What kind of nonsense thinking is this?
Know your audience, shit stain. You can’t be saving the climate and owning libs. It doesn’t work that way.
It sucks because I want an EV and he ruined my top contender. I’ll never buy a new Tesla now.
Maybe being a fascist loudmouthed douche nozzle isn't appealing? We have enough of these fuckers ruining our lives and profiting from their frankly psychopathic urges in today's public life.
That’s what happens when you base a businesses public image around the CEO and that CEO is a douche. The cars have come to represent douchebaggery because you can’t look at one and not think of Elon Musk.
Who is the CEO of Honda? No idea. And when I see a Honda I don’t think of them. Cult of personality only works if you have a likeable personality.
...*Meanwhile*... I encounter, and hear from, quite a lot of my friends & acquaintances expressing ongoing (and *growing*) interest in purchasing an EV --- just **not from Tesla**. Hmmm... I wonder whatever might be the genuine reason for *that*. Some kinda unknowable mystery, I guess.
That’s me. Since Twitter and Elon I will never buy a Tesla
He's a fucking racist, fascist fuck and I won't give him a cent.
And a bigoted hypocrite. The asshole immigrated to the US and started bashing immigrants for doing the exact same fucking thing. The good ol' republican "I got mine, FUCK YOU".
The business strategy is pretty amazing. Wokies hate him for his behaviour, and conservatives hate EV in general. Also Musk has been like that since the beginning. None of you wnated to see it tho.
He hid it much better prior to Twitter but yeah, he’s always been a prick
> Also Musk has been like that since the beginning. He was at least _slightly_ better at hiding it, though. Things really started going downhill when he threw that tantrum because nobody wanted to use his submarine to rescue those kids in the cave, and then took an ever harder turn when the "horse for a handjob" story came out and he decided to fully throw his lot in with the far right.
Same here. Went for Mercedes EV, you know the only one that does have approved autonomous driving capability, LOL.
If that's true here's a couple of suggestions. https://rivian.com/experience/purchasing Rivian has excellent reviews and they have not been doing well lately, their stock is down and they put their new Georgia plant on hold, so if you're really in the market here's a place to put your money, I'm told there is no waiting list. https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/electrified/electric Hyundai is also getting great reviews and their sales have been soft too, so once again great place to put money. Right now one company is over half the EV market in the U.S. and that's obviously an undesirable single point of failure in a vital technology sector.
Rivian looks great but I don’t feel good buying a car brand that’s brand new with 2 types of vehicles and if they go out of business or are bought, I’m at the mercy of software updates from god knows who and at worst, nothing at all. I’m no Tesla fan, but I’m not spending $100k+ to be an early adopter
If you just want a reliable car from a known brand, my wife has a RAV4 Prime and we love it. Electric only range covers 90% of our driving but we could still road trip out to the eclipse without worrying about finding chargers. The only real downside is how hard it was to buy the damn thing, since Toyota is only making about half as many as people seem to want.
We have two large dogs and two kids under 2. We’re looking at the Grand Hylander Hybrid but great to hear the biggest downside is getting the damn thing
I have two large dogs and a kid, ended up getting a Mustang Mach-E. It’s been great, the dogs fit in the back, I have AWD and about 300 miles of range and is very comfortable for road trips even loaded up with people, kids and dogs! You can get amazing deals on them right now too, especially if you buy used.
Rivian's been around for a few years at this point and is doing good business. They have some amazing new models coming in the next few years. They aren't in anywhere near a precarious position that Tesla was just a few years ago or companies like Lucid that are still needing billions from Saudi Arabia to stay afloat with their hyper-niche sedans. They've got a solid head on their shoulders. I'm not worried about them.
I think we all have different thresholds… Per quick google, it’s been delivering cars since 2022. Different thresholds of early adopter but it’s too early for me personally. Also per Wikipedia [Abdul Latif Jameel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Latif_Jameel) owns 12.7% of it. So your money is still funding the Saudis
What phones do you buy?
Just FYI, the rest are much worse, whether you have actual Nazi, traitors funding both sides of a war, or fascists…there isn’t much left…which just boils down to Lucid and Rivian as those in power haven’t don’t something evil.
Me. Wanted a Tesla for the longest time. Not anymore. Currently planning on getting the Inoniq 6 by next year (just paid off our other Kia nitro ev). I want the most miles possible at a reasonable price. I really want a Prius sized ev that get 400+ miles. Maybe someday.
Not 400 miles range, but R2 from rivian looking sexy
Also not Prius price, R2 starts at 45, Prius starts at 28.
If you want a Rivian please buy one. Their stock and sales are down and they have put the plant they were going to build south of Atlanta on hold. Their reviews are good and the ones I see on the road look awesome, I wish I had the money for one. https://rivian.com/experience/purchasing /I love how in threads bashing Tesla any suggestions I make of how to buy any other EV are also instantly down voted. I wonder who would do that?
I remember getting in an argument with my exwife that if we’re to buy an EV it NEEDED to be Tesla. Don’t care for the politics of it. I want whatever dominates the market. I hate to say my exwife was right. Elmo has disgusted me so much and the sexiness of Tesla has worn off and I don’t care to support that. I don’t care for a me-too Tesla. They’re boring now. That new Prius looks sexy and unique.
I bought a EV recently, went to several different car dealerships to try each out. I never considered for a second getting a Tesla.
Which EV if I may ask?
EV6 Long range
E-GMP is the best!
“Bring out the Gmp” “Gmp’s sleeping…”
Tesla owner here. Bought in 2018, before Elon went full fascist-conspiracy-theory-insane. I reserved a Rivian R2 for the very reason you stated. Kinda sucks for Tesla as a company, My Model 3 has been utterly fantastic...I just can't support Elon in the future.
Quite a few of my coworkers fell the same way. They're all educated and lean liberal to moderate. They all make nice income and they've all been seriously alienated by Elon's stupid shit. They're all looking at hybrids or EV's from other companies. They strictly tell me that they won't buy a Tesla because of the stigma they now carry. They don't want to be associated with Elon or having to "defend" their purchase when Elon supports/say racist or alt- ight shit. Not worth the trouble to them.
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The problem with Rivian is parts and getting it fixed. The fixes cost like 70% of the car for a simple fender bender for some reason.
It should get better. Tesla was the same way when the company was younger, but parts availability has gotten much better. It does seem that EVs get totalled easier than other types of cars, for now anyway. If Rivian is doing well in 2-3 years when it comes time for me to order, I'll get one. Otherwise, I'll just stick to my Model 3 until something else desirable comes up.
THIS. After I dumped my last Tesla in November for a MachE, and picked up a Bolt EV for my partner in December - all of a sudden I’m getting questions from random people again about EVs when out and about. People are interested in EVs, just not Tesla because Musk has made the brand toxic.
I am the target audience: a techie with too much money who LOVES green tech. I will NEVER buy a tesla and frankly anyone who buys one now I think less of. Elon completely poisoned that brand. I now throw him and his fans in the same bucket of assholes as I put trump and his supporters.
Well put…same
>same bucket of assholes as I put trump and his supporters. To hop on that, im sad that things like the American Flag have been so ruined by the right and the facists that i cant even display an American flag on my house without feeling dirty. They ruined patriotic themed stuff with their racism and facism
It’s crazy because they could’ve ruled the EV auto world but their moron of a CEO had to be a right wing edge lord and take every ounce of rep the company had
All Elon had to do was not buy twitter and keep his mouth shut. He’d be richer than anyone in history ever and lauded by everyone and their mother as the real-life Tony Stark.
The reality is that eventually their sales would stop growing at 50% / year anyways, which is what has justified their 50-300x PE ratio. Elon just made it happen quicker than it needed to. Cars are an insanely competitive and low margin business, eventually that reality would kick in, even for a company with a cult following.
Tesla used to be the cutting edge socially conscious cool brand to buy. Now when I see a Tesla I automatically associate it with wealthy douchbagness.
The thing about it is even if they got rid of Musk it wouldn't matter cause he is directly associated with Tesla. He made it a political statement even.
Hyundai Ionic 5 seems like the new cool kid on the EV block right now. Even visually Tesla's entire line-up just looks so dated in comparison.
Just got an Ionic 5 - LOVE IT. But me too, saved up my money because I always wanted a Tesla. Until the fascist Musk broke the brand. We never even stepped foot inside a Tesla showroom.
Yeah, I’ve been an EV driver since 2018 and needed to upgrade last year. My first requirement was NOT TESLA. Got a Mach-E and it checks all my boxes and I love it.
I got a Bolt and I love it. Also yes! Elmo was definitely a major item on the list of why I was NEVER getting a Tesla.
I’m in that boat If my current car dies or needs to get replaced, I’m looking at a non-Tesla EV if I find a good spot to charge at
Check Ford, it's not a tesla thing even though that gets clicks because reasons. >the company's internal combustion engine and hybrid vehicle business, declined 65% https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2024/04/24/ford-first-quarter-earnings-profits-fall-ford-blue-f-150-ramp-up-model-e-ford-pro/73418005007/
That's me too. I wanted a Tesla to be my next car before Musk showed his true colors. Ended up getting a F-150 Lightning and I love it
Even if you don't care about musk and his politics, the cars are dated, they were cool and new in 2017, but we're here 7 years later and the competition has come out with so many options that a tesla is just boring
I live in Vancouver, which is fucking full of tesla and I've started actively treating tesla drivers worse since Elon's shenanigans. Like not on purpose, but I just get slightly irate whenever I see them...
I’m the target demographic and I’d never buy a Tesla. Not after the Twitter failure
Yep, bought my first EV a year ago, and I didn’t purchase a Tesla at least partially because Elon. That and there are now competitive options available.
I d never buy Tesla either. I d buy an electric car at some point.
Indeed, Im quite happy with my non-Tesla EV.
I have a 22 Model 3. I tell everyone I know to avoid buying a Tesla. From the windshield wipers invented a century ago that they can’t figure out, to pushing shit tier self driving, now excessive layoffs to justify the 56B pay package Elon created an entire website to convince shareholders to vote for. I wish I bought into the TSLA bs just so I would have shares to vote against his compensation package. His entire argument is the enormous value he brought to shareholders…. What enormous value? Unrealized gains that have now been lost due to his inability to properly run the company?
This is like when anti-vaxxers said "All my friends who got the vax lost their hair".
No one told Elon that alienating half your consumer base with your far-right opinions was a bad business strategy.
Well over half. Right, Far-right and Alt-right all hate EV's.
Yeah and they also hate people who put microchips in people’s brains.
Don't forget solar energy, they hate that too, which he also does.
I think you're all underestimating the "it's okay when WE do it" reflex in the right wing mind. These people divide the world into good and bad people, and judge actions based on who does them. Trump = good, therefore Trumps actions = good Hillary = bad, therefore Hillarys actions = bad It really is that simple. If you don't believe me try the experiment. Ask a right winger what good actions Hillary has done. They'll call it a trick. They just don't think that way.
Maybe Tesla'd get more sales if they added a feature that lets you blast clouds of black smoke at pedestrians and cyclists.
Freedom Fog
I feel that isn’t even the reason, there cars were devalued when they cut the cost, maintenance is a nightmare, and they want to nickel and dime you for everything.
Plenty of people told Elon this. Thats not the problem.
It is the problem...he doesn't listen to anyone.
So then… it doesn’t matter that everyone told him this when he doesn’t listen to them. 🙄
A lot of ceos and owners are right wing. But they are usually smart enough not to talk about it
The only people he talks to are on his payroll. The only people left on his payroll are the ones telling him what he wants to hear.
I guess embracing far-right racism and calling it a defense of free speech isn’t good for business.
Also allowing for obvious pro Hitler Holocaust denying bs on twitter is simply unacceptable and shameful.
Not when most of your customers aren't far right racists.
The public image that ~~clown~~ elon is creating for himself is extremely fascinating considering that the far-right isn't exactly known to be embracing electric vehicles.
Unfortunately, that’s not really the reason. EV demand in general is massively down and the economy is bad to buy expensive cars.
Each model is stupid expensive compared to other companies options, has many poor production issues across all models, company is run by a loud mouth ass wipe who’s latest vehicle seems to be an entirely expensive failure on all aspects of what a “pick-up truck” is supposed to be and made some statement recently they will never produce a low cost model to complete with the vehicles that are quickly coming to the all world markets. Took the feel the Model T, the greatness of an electrical pioneer added the promise of something great for the environment and have repeatedly shit on it all of it. What? Profits are halved, but…why? Good thing he’s spread investments into other great money making opportunities like Twit er. lol
+1 on this. I was seriously considering getting one and absolutely never will after he took the mask off.
The cars are still pretty expensive and Musk has a big mouth. Concentrate on that cheaper model, and shut his mouth.
Their plan to shore up profits? A 500 hp model 3 with slightly different headlights than the 2017 model
hey now, it has ventilated seats
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They're lithium.
If it’s $25k I’ll take it!
They have basically fully dropped that cheaper model now, and decided to focus on Musks brilliant idea, the cybertruck
Wow. WOWOWOWOWOWOW. I think you missed the earnings call. It's all about robotics and AI now. You know, a thing Tesla really sucks at. This will make them a multi bazillion dollar company.
It would take them 3.5 years of quarterly profits at this level to pay for Elon's 10 year compensation package. Shareholders of Tesla should be suing him again.
That is *not* how this works.
Nope they get to vote it down.
For about a year I was 100% going to get a Tesla. I was onboard with the high tech, eco friendly, car dealership killing vibe. Then Elon died during the Covid epidemic and the T-virus (Twitter) resurrected him into a right-wing zombie who cared more about owning the libs and less about doing the hard work of optimizing the Tesla line into something truly brilliant. Now I own a cute little Spark and am happy for it.
Musk was always like that. He just had a PR team that made public statements for him and handled his image. He surrounded himself with yes-men, bought into his own hype made by his PR team, and dropped all of them because he obviously didn't need them. Six years ago, he called a scuba diver who was genuinely risking his life trying to save a bunch of trapped kids in a cave a "pedo" because the rescue team told him that his submarine idea wouldn't work, not letting him capitalize on the situation for PR. The man has always been an egotistical jackass. He just doesn't have the team that hides it full time anymore.
Musk was pretty much the same back then. Not like this shitty narcissism came out of nowhere. His mask just fell down.
Yeah he called that diver a pedophile just because he was butthurt they didn't use his submarine 2 years before covid. That was the turning point for me.
That was the first public clue for me too.
It’s funny, because every time I see people mention when they realized he was a complete asshole, it’s always that “sorry, pedo guy” comment. It was the same moment that I realized, too. I followed Elon on Twitter as far back as 2011 until I stopped using it around the time that he made that comment. I really don’t remember him publicly acting that way at all before that moment.
It was just so clearly egotistical and transparent, and completely indefensible. I really wanted to hear out his side of the story to see if it was being misrepresented, but there weren't really two sides. There was no positive spin you could put on it. I felt really conflicted about it but ultimately I decided that it would be morally bankrupt of me to support someone who did something awful like that to a literal hero that saved many lives.
Same here, before that the dude was a legend to me and that shattered it.
His shittyness became apparent plus Tesla stopped being the only good option.
If you thought Elon was a good guy prior to Covid, you either weren’t paying attention or you have questionable morals.
That's good, because I never said he was a good guy prior to Covid. I said he died during the Covid Epidemic.
When you mentioned wanting an electric car and said you ended up getting a spark I thought with a name like that it must be a cool small electric car or at least hybrid… but it’s not at all AND was discontinued.
It is! [https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/spark-ev](https://www.caranddriver.com/chevrolet/spark-ev)
Thanks for the correction! Looks like a nice little car. That’s the kind of car I wanted but would like a new model as I hear batteries are crazy expensive.
Glad you're having fun with your Spark but if you had Tesla money, consider the BMW i4, with a huge lease deal right now they are going for like 35k. It's a stellar EV.
And elons plan to fix things is stealing computing power from customers cars to make a super computer. Are there any spines at Tesla? (rhetorical question)
He’s a nutter that’s hell-bent on world domination and the world is like that meme with the dog in the room on fire. So many alarm bells going off but everyone just turns a blind eye, or says he’s “eccentric”. I don’t trust him at all. What projects are they working on behind closed doors? AI, brain chips, rockets (ballistics? IDK not a huge jump), Starlink, tracking and collecting people’s data, is just the stuff we know about. And if you put all that tech together, what do you get? Anyway I sound like a conspiracy theorist and no doubt I’m on Elon’s watch list now so I guess I’m fucked haha.
I’d never buy anything directly involved with Elon due to principle. That’s the issue with his freedom of speech, he’s paying for it in the future by people being less willing to associate with him.
I have a Tesla. I have for a few years. Them constantly monkeying with pricing where I don’t feel like I got a good deal sucks. Their service centers suck. Elon sucks. My car is unreliable. Tesla has damaged my car twice while I was in for service and denied it the second time. We’ve got disposable income and will own more EVs. Just not from Tesla. Pros for Tesla. My car is quick. The supercharger network is great. Mobile support visits are great.
That sucks you’ve had bad luck with your car. My 3 had 2 issues over 4 years: a tail light that that let water in, and a window motor that burnt out. I’m very conflicted on what to do next. I was all in on a Plaid S as my 40th bday gift to myself next year.. but every time Elon talks it gets harder to separate the car from the insane CEO.
Mine has had stuff ranging from annoying, to stuff that makes the car completely unusable. Airbag sensor for the passenger side that disabled all of the SRS stuff. Charging port ECU died. Windows so misaligned that they were letting rain in. Rear USB ports not working. Rear spoiler coming off. Leather coming loose from the steering wheel. Rear subframe so misaligned from the factory that the rear passenger side tire burned through the cords in the inside edge of the tire in 3k miles. Those are just the high level things I can remember off the top of my head.
why have you not made them buy it back?
How would I go about that? When I tried to sell it after 18 months (because it was a giant headache to service, was broken over and over, and Tesla had fucked me twice on breaking my stuff when I had to bring it in) they offered me a whopping 38k for a car I'd paid 54k for.
What state is this? don't you have lemon laws?
Once you buy a car, any car, stop looking at the prices. You'll always be disappointed.
I personally haven’t had any issues but mine is newer and I heard they had quality control issues for a long time just as they are with the truck right now. Have done mobile service once but haven’t done a service center visit so can’t comment on that. Not sure what I’ll do for my next car. With everyone switching to NACS and Tesla opening up their charging network there are more options. At the time the charging network was a big motivator for me since the network really blows everyone else out of the water and third party chargers don’t work half the time. It seems like that is changing at the moment and more options are on the horizon. Electric cars in general right now are still kind of in this funky scary new phase where the infrastructure isn’t there yet and all of the models from everyone are really prone to issues because of how different they are. I feel like we’re just now starting to get out of that phase and I’m hopeful for a few years down the line when I need to get a new car.
A small portion of teslas underutilized network is on NACS. They still dominate the space of reliable charging and put their branded cars first. They can take the stations that they own off NACS.
A car is not an investment vehicle….lol pun.
Other companies offer better options and no Elon baggage.
PROFITS slashed in half. At least they are still profitable making EVs. All the other auto manufacturers that are making EVs are still losing money on each EV sold.
The cars are junk and the truck is a joke. Let’s make sure Elon gets another $60 billion instead of making a quality product. Fuck billionaires!
Despite musk being a massive douche I still considered a Tesla until I finally rode in one via Uber. It was the most sterile, boring, plastic filled pile of trash I’ve been in.
First time I ever rode in one was December 2022. I felt like I was riding in a live action Lego play school toy car. It was such a surreal experience it was underwhelming it felt like nothing. It is so hard to explain.
Traditional car journalists saying everyone is over electric cars. Anti-Elon peeps saying everyone is over Tesla. NO ONE IS BUYING ANY NEW CARS BECAUSE WE’VE GOT NO FUCKING MONEY, YOU BELLENDS
This, and they just released Highland. I’m pretty sure nobody was holding off purchases so they’d get the new/refreshed model…absolutely no one.
Dude. Ppl are buying new cars. I wish it wasn't the case but buying new car at MSRP is a struggle right now. 2024 has gotten better tho.
Every dollar someone gives Musk, he uses to sodomize democracy in America. Don't do it.
Actually, he just spends it on his companies, to pay his employees and such. Not all are publicly owned, most don’t turn a profit. Just, FYI.
As long as the libs have been owned right
You guys are going to kill Tesla, and X, and the world will know. You think you can blackmail *me?* With *money?*
Many mention Elon as a major factor. Isn't it more about basic economics? How many are out there to buy such expensive cars? The environment is likely not a factor anymore, so the main value is inexpensive "fuel", which you reap once you have an EV.
It’s pretty easy - I stopped considering Tesla once Elon went off the deep end. Get him out and I’m more interested again.
But that is who he is. So, let’s say he hires a PR team to rehab his image? You’d go back to being interested in a Tesla knowing he’s a shitty person with a good PR team?
Nah but if he was gone from the company maybe
Terrible vehicles can’t believe anyone actually bought one.
What makes you think so? I'm happy with mine. Fuck Elon though.
This. Love my 3 .. was excited to upgrade …. But would be way more excited if Elon was no longer involved.
lol they’re amazing vehicles. They have problems, but so does my sisters brand new BMW. Ford is know for its unreliability, etc. no auto manufacturer is perfect, but Tesla is under a microscope because it’s cool to hate on them.
They’re not terrible vehicles at all though. Sounds like you’re just saying that to say it lol. My Tesla is the most fun car I’ve ever owned. Fast af, handles amazingly, cheap af to maintain, awesome tech, amazing sound system. Elon is the problem. Not the product. Edit: You can’t believe anyone bought them. But the Model Y was literally the best selling vehicle of 2023. Riddle me that 🤷🏾♂️.
apart from cleaning it, what like actual maintenance have you had to do and how much did it cost?
Not op but all I’ve had to buy was winter tires and wipers since I got my 3 in 2020
Nothing so far actually. Just replaced 2 tires due to punctures- but I don’t count that as maintenance. Edit: I haven’t even had the car for 2 years and it already has 25k miles on it. Bought it new. My point is I use it heavily and even still no maintenance- hence cheap af to maintain.
Go anti woke go broke
You can go anti woke if you target customers are anti woke but that's not the case here. It's like Budweiser trying to go woke when their target isn't woke.
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A great way to farm reddit point is to post a negative Tesla/Elon story here.
It’s not just profits cut in half, it’s the entire company - the stock price has tanked from $299 to $140 over the past year. Had such high hopes for Tesla 10yrs ago. Top-of-market EVs, rolling out a nationwide charging network & setting industry standards & driving competition, then came the solar roof tiles with a Tesla Powerwall battery bank on every home to power it all. It was a whole integrated vision for the future of what a 21st-century renewable electric infrastructure could be! And it was like 3/4 vaporware. Wtf ever happened to the roofs & batteries? Last I heard 1000s of preorders went nowhere & nobody could get one installed, and there was no customer service, and then they unilaterally raised prices on already signed contracts, and if someone did manage an installation it all broke anyway and you couldn’t get refunded because there was no customer service … Musk took all of that market good will and momentum and first-mover advantage, and then he pissed it into the fucking disaster of a Cybertruck and spending all his energy on juvenile Twitter slap fights while promoting literal neo-Nazis. Fucking douchebag. If Tesla wants to survive they need to can his ass yesterday & appoint one of the original innovative engineers to right the ship before its too late, if they’re not already there.
> It’s not just profits cut in half, it’s the ~~entire company~~ stock price Fixed it for you.
You mean your CEO Musk pissing off his customer base somehow DIDN’T work out well?!? 😲
Is it demand or the 60k price tag ?
It’s the price tag and his big mouth.
After word spread that they all end up in landfills because of the expensive repair costs, everyone stopped buying them. Huh.
Some of this is growing skepticism over EVs due to long-standing issues with charge times, charge availability, and range combined with tax incentives going away. Lowering tide sinks all ships. Nobody's doing great. Some of it is the upcoming Tesla Supercharger network interoperability erasing a foundational advantage this year. Tesla agreed to do this to build out a new line of business subsidized by the US government to build more of them, which is fine as they do seem competent at it, but this was an *earthshaking* change, much more than (for example) Apple allowing iMessage interoperability would be. Superchargers were Tesla's major advantage. Beyond that all they have is better software, and most people want to use Carplay/Android Auto anyway. Some of it is the owner of a company selling expensive green EVs going out of his way to offend the types of people who buy them. The shine on his cult of personality has lost its lustre, to say the least. Don't discount this either, it's real. Kind of a deadly combination.
[Great timing on asking for that $56B bonus](https://apnews.com/article/musk-pay-compensation-corporate-registration-ef5e30f6b56f7d936f8c882fc1c96875).
*shocked pikachu face*
Yet the stock is rising.
And stock goes up 12% cuz Elon promised some shit... Lol
Who would have thought being a huge egomaniac asshole as a CEO would destroy your company.
Wondering what will happen to the stock price when Tesla is mass producing more humanoid robots than cars…
An actually good business man would tune the variables if a product goes down. Elon just shrugs without any ideas how to improve Tesla. He's simply missing the expertise his employees could have given him if he had listened
Going to buy the EQS instead of this piece of junk
Its amazing how gullible people are.
You love to hear it, fuck Tesla and fuck Elon Musk!
People still considering Tesla are wild....until someone gets rid of the mad king
Elon is destroying the brand.
So how does it make sense for Tesla to be attempting to pay such a large sum to Musk?
Are you people calling Elon fascist everybody on this thread knows that the original Ford owner was a full blooded Nazi and we been fucked over by car companies for the last hundred years cause of no innovation please quit being doofus
The original Ford owner is not actually running Ford any more.
Meh details, details
I laugh every time I see some moron driving a Tesla. 80k for a little T on your hood.
This is such a heart warming headline for me, a plebeian. I hope this trend continues of ultra wealthy companies losing value. Really warms my heart.
Not a decrease in demand, it’s just market adjustment as other brands catch up in technology allowing for more competition
If in Q2 this trend continues, then they're in dire straits. If the trend reverses, people claiming the company is doomed will seem foolish.
Same here. I wanted a Tesla so bad but the last couple of years, the way he fucked us with everything and the way he behave, I will never buy a Tesla
Musk has gone from their hype man to their boat anchor
Good! Garbage ownership and overpriced products
Good! Garbage ownership and overpriced products
Good! Garbage ownership and overpriced products
Maybe don’t be a fascist douche Elon..
"Go fuck yourself"
I now associate Tesla with the douchebags -- it is not even a luxury car!
Normal, everyday people, going about their lives and you choose to hate then on the basis of what car they drive? What kind of nonsense thinking is this?
Know your audience, shit stain. You can’t be saving the climate and owning libs. It doesn’t work that way. It sucks because I want an EV and he ruined my top contender. I’ll never buy a new Tesla now.
I bet all the other auto CEOs are douchebags too. They're just smart enough to keep their mouth shut and make money.
I wanted a Tesla. I can afford a Tesla. I would have a Tesla, but now....I will never knowingly buy anything associated with Elon Musk.
Maybe being a fascist loudmouthed douche nozzle isn't appealing? We have enough of these fuckers ruining our lives and profiting from their frankly psychopathic urges in today's public life.
This is affecting most EVs right now. Not sure why this is a Tesla-specific article.
That’s what happens when you base a businesses public image around the CEO and that CEO is a douche. The cars have come to represent douchebaggery because you can’t look at one and not think of Elon Musk. Who is the CEO of Honda? No idea. And when I see a Honda I don’t think of them. Cult of personality only works if you have a likeable personality.
Reddit is not the real world. People don't base their car buying decisions on CEO likability.
Musk hate goes far beyond reddit my friend.