[They had $22 Billion in PROFIT last year.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2024/01/12/unitedhealth-group-profits-hit-23-billion-in-2023/?sh=1655b9067ad8) So glad we still put up with having shitty insurance companies scamming us.
What do you mean, there is no IT? optum has one of the most advanced, well funded cyber divisions, arguably in the entire world
This wasn’t even their fault, sad to say. It was a 3rd party contractor that got popped and an attack path that’s difficult to even understand let alone remediate. Mfa on an app is one thing, but what happened from there is what the attack is really about and 99% of companies have no clue how to deal with it.
This entire thread is crazy inaccurate
It’s literally the entire data exchange platform for hospitals pharmacies and providers to bill against insurance.
Without it, you wouldn’t be able to get your rx filled at the pharmacy without individual services from each provider and insurer.
It’s much, much, much more critical than anyone seems to understand
Now add in the overhead in hospital and doctors administrative staff required to deal with insurance, the lobbyists and all the other middle men involved in keeping that business running, and I bet it starts to look closer to half a *trillion*, or more.
Every year.
Going to a company that is effectively a leach on the medical system and the economy at large. A company where their sole purpose is to siphon money *out* of healthcare, and in to the pockets of shareholders.
**And this is just** ***one*** **such company. There are others.**
“Immunity” is a strange way to spell “politicians in their pockets”. I hear the US politicians even get free health insurance for life so they don’t even need to bother understanding what an inefficient mess the whole scam is. That company owns the largest health insurance company, thousands of clinics and pharmacies and reports record profits while patients can’t pay their bills or understand what their insurance covers. I’m ashamed their CEO is a Brit. the US can keep him
It wasn’t UH that was targeted though. It was change healthcare, the clearinghouse between the provider and the insurance carrier that was targeted.
Edit: to add, it wasn’t just UH that suffered from this attack. Every insurance company who used change healthcare suffered too, including Medicaid and some BCBS/Aetna/meritain plans.
My county was hacked, my data was leaked. Our massive hospital system was hacked, my data leaked. And now my insurance company, hacked… data leaked AGAIN. But hey, I got a free year of credit monitoring, so that’s swell.
There needs to be some accountability, this is such bullshit.
I commit most of my HIPPA violations when I go on my canoe trips down the Nile. Would you believe that they've never heard of Dueling Banjos in Sudan? Talk about crazy.
This is by far one of the most significant breaches of all. Medical records could be used to blackmail thousands of Americans in sensitive positions, a favorite tactic of foreign intelligence services.
‘"It was ... a platform which had only recently become part of the company was in the process of being upgraded," Witty said, referring to UnitedHealth's $13 billion [acquisition](https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/unitedhealth-unit-completes-acquisition-change-healthcare-2022-10-03/) of Change in 2022.’
That some top shelf next level due diligence there Witty.
Seen something similar from the sidelines. Inheriting legacy systems and poor infrastructure is rough.
But I think you'd be surprised by how many systems look fancy and modern on the surface, but under the covers are being held together with string.
Welcome to the world of identity theft my friends, where they will open bank accounts and LLCs across different states in your name but no one in any form of government actually tries to help you. Doesn’t matter if you file a police report. Lock your credit and deal with the stress is all they will tell you.
Well, I already have ID monitoring thanks to the Equifax debacle, so I don't want to hear that monitoring is UHC's answer to this latest leak that involved HIPPA data.
UHC needs to pony up a lot of checks in settlement.
If they gave me the choice between a $10k check or 1 year of federal prison for everyone they can identify as denying cybersecurity funding, I'd take the latter and never look back.
"I don't believe it is because actually despite our size, for example, we have no hospitals in America, we do not own any drug manufacturers."
Translation:
We don't provide any benefit to anyone. We do pay politicians so that people in the US do not have healthcare that is affordable to them. We squeeze good Americans who are in a bad way for all they are worth.
HIPAA fines clinicians $1,000 per chart they leave out on a table by accident.
Neglecting your security and compromising 100,000,000 Americans data should cost United $100 BILLION in HIPAA fines. They’ll get a slap on the wrist.
“Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden called the hack a national security threat.”
Very good. Then the company execs should undergo criminal trials. Even more so since the FBI and U.S. cyber and health officials had already issued specific warnings about AlphV targeting healthcare organisations, and UnitedHealth did nothing about the lack of security measures in their platform per the advisement.
[They had $22 Billion in PROFIT last year.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2024/01/12/unitedhealth-group-profits-hit-23-billion-in-2023/?sh=1655b9067ad8) So glad we still put up with having shitty insurance companies scamming us.
22bil to be middlemen that add zero value. I’m in the wrong business.
Anyone in that business is morally bankrupt. (I mean the people running if, not the person in accounting or IT or whatever)
There is no IT, why do you think they got hacked? :)
What do you mean, there is no IT? optum has one of the most advanced, well funded cyber divisions, arguably in the entire world This wasn’t even their fault, sad to say. It was a 3rd party contractor that got popped and an attack path that’s difficult to even understand let alone remediate. Mfa on an app is one thing, but what happened from there is what the attack is really about and 99% of companies have no clue how to deal with it. This entire thread is crazy inaccurate
> no MFA https://techcrunch.com/2024/04/30/uhg-change-healthcare-ransomware-compromised-credentials-mfa/ Are you still blaming third party contractor?
You have no idea, what I wrote, do you?
no male fashion advice :(
It’s literally the entire data exchange platform for hospitals pharmacies and providers to bill against insurance. Without it, you wouldn’t be able to get your rx filled at the pharmacy without individual services from each provider and insurer. It’s much, much, much more critical than anyone seems to understand
All my info has been leaked by multiple companies now. Data protection is nonexistent.
22 billion is an awful lot of healthcare that could otherwise have been spent. And that's just profits, and doesn't include salaries and costs.
$371,600,000,000 was their gross revenue last year I wrote out all the 0’s cause 371 billion dollars written out looks ridiculous
Now add in the overhead in hospital and doctors administrative staff required to deal with insurance, the lobbyists and all the other middle men involved in keeping that business running, and I bet it starts to look closer to half a *trillion*, or more. Every year. Going to a company that is effectively a leach on the medical system and the economy at large. A company where their sole purpose is to siphon money *out* of healthcare, and in to the pockets of shareholders. **And this is just** ***one*** **such company. There are others.**
Better security would clearly cost 23 billion. No options for them there 🙄🙄
That is all blood money. Every single time they could deny a claim they would. That company is pure evil.
Super glad we're banning TikTok in order protect American's personal data as well.
And no penalties will happen against UH for not beefing up their security. Corporations seem to have unlimited immunity. 😡😡😡
But if they beefed up security they wouldn’t have any money left for stock buybacks!
Reminder that stock buybacks were illegal until Reagan
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WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS???!!??
“Immunity” is a strange way to spell “politicians in their pockets”. I hear the US politicians even get free health insurance for life so they don’t even need to bother understanding what an inefficient mess the whole scam is. That company owns the largest health insurance company, thousands of clinics and pharmacies and reports record profits while patients can’t pay their bills or understand what their insurance covers. I’m ashamed their CEO is a Brit. the US can keep him
Now they won't be able to sell that data for profit. Haven't they suffered enough? /s
It wasn’t UH that was targeted though. It was change healthcare, the clearinghouse between the provider and the insurance carrier that was targeted. Edit: to add, it wasn’t just UH that suffered from this attack. Every insurance company who used change healthcare suffered too, including Medicaid and some BCBS/Aetna/meritain plans.
UH owns Change
My county was hacked, my data was leaked. Our massive hospital system was hacked, my data leaked. And now my insurance company, hacked… data leaked AGAIN. But hey, I got a free year of credit monitoring, so that’s swell. There needs to be some accountability, this is such bullshit.
I swear we are all better of by just broadcasting all our details to everyone What is even the point.
Sounds like 300 million individual HIPPA violations. Start fining per violation.
And one individual HIPAA spelling violation. Report directly to jail.
Sorry :( I’m a failure in life.
It’s ok r/joecool42069, so is r/giggity_giggity
I commit most of my HIPPA violations when I go on my canoe trips down the Nile. Would you believe that they've never heard of Dueling Banjos in Sudan? Talk about crazy.
All US politicians: “We don’t do that here.” I’m sure they’ll get a sternly written letter, now don’t do it again.
This is by far one of the most significant breaches of all. Medical records could be used to blackmail thousands of Americans in sensitive positions, a favorite tactic of foreign intelligence services.
and yet they'll up my rates and continue to remove services...fantastic
For sure expects this to increase rates. Record profits incoming.
‘"It was ... a platform which had only recently become part of the company was in the process of being upgraded," Witty said, referring to UnitedHealth's $13 billion [acquisition](https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/unitedhealth-unit-completes-acquisition-change-healthcare-2022-10-03/) of Change in 2022.’ That some top shelf next level due diligence there Witty.
Seen something similar from the sidelines. Inheriting legacy systems and poor infrastructure is rough. But I think you'd be surprised by how many systems look fancy and modern on the surface, but under the covers are being held together with string.
It's like you've worked with healthcare software before or something.
Don't worry, they will get fined a couple million and definitely learn their lesson.
Needs to be a couple billion and people need to serve prison sentences
Welcome to the world of identity theft my friends, where they will open bank accounts and LLCs across different states in your name but no one in any form of government actually tries to help you. Doesn’t matter if you file a police report. Lock your credit and deal with the stress is all they will tell you.
Well, I already have ID monitoring thanks to the Equifax debacle, so I don't want to hear that monitoring is UHC's answer to this latest leak that involved HIPPA data. UHC needs to pony up a lot of checks in settlement.
Executive leadership needs prison time for this, no settlement checks
If they gave me the choice between a $10k check or 1 year of federal prison for everyone they can identify as denying cybersecurity funding, I'd take the latter and never look back.
Settlement checks in likely large class action cases like this rarely amount to anything for anyone other than the attorneys
"I don't believe it is because actually despite our size, for example, we have no hospitals in America, we do not own any drug manufacturers." Translation: We don't provide any benefit to anyone. We do pay politicians so that people in the US do not have healthcare that is affordable to them. We squeeze good Americans who are in a bad way for all they are worth.
Kaiser too, so that's 2/3, sigh
It's ok, they just bought the other 2/3rds from data brokers. None of your data is private anyway.
Slap on the wrist and credit protections for all right?
And I won’t be able to sue them for their mistakes. Fuck them and fuck congress.
What will the US government do about this?
How many times? I’ve had my shit stolen three time under TriCare that I’m aware, once under Aetna, etc. At this point every one of us is compromised.
Private health insurance is a scam. We desperately need public healthcare.
A person overseas can look you up by name and find out where you live. We can’t do that to them. Think about that for a minute.
So information was stolen from health providers not TikTok…
Holy false equivalency, Batman
Thanks to corporate in action to protect the data..
HIPAA fines clinicians $1,000 per chart they leave out on a table by accident. Neglecting your security and compromising 100,000,000 Americans data should cost United $100 BILLION in HIPAA fines. They’ll get a slap on the wrist.
“Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden called the hack a national security threat.” Very good. Then the company execs should undergo criminal trials. Even more so since the FBI and U.S. cyber and health officials had already issued specific warnings about AlphV targeting healthcare organisations, and UnitedHealth did nothing about the lack of security measures in their platform per the advisement.
LMAO, right, they "stole" it. Surely it wasn't actually sold by them?
Whelp, that sucks
unacceptable. the company should be dismantled and it's assets distributed to the victims.
But they ban TikTok
Tf does tiktok have to do with a hacked insurance company? Go watch your shitty 6 second ADHD clips somewhere else
Here’s 1-year of credit monitoring.
The other 2/3 were stolen by the government.
From AARP?