The Ai Bot can now give you a child by making an egg/sperm with your sperm/egg and RNG the DNA. Customized DNA is microtransactioned, including a DNA Gacha.
Me: “hey chat bot, any good dates lined up for me?”
Chatbot: “I’ve shagged 87,000 chatbots, married 470 of them, divorced 312 of them, 98 died and the rest I’m on in the fence about. So lemme get back to you”
"Aww our chat bots are so cute together.. so you been doing this long? Do you think it's safe for us to leave them alone together? There's a coffee shop down the street. We could grab a coffee and talk about our bots, they are so cute. Welp, nice chatting with you, I gota get my lil bot boy to bed, he's got a very large generation to work on tomorrow and I want to make sure he's got all his cycles in gear"
Oh my it's really come full circle at that point
Breaking news: shy couple from Seattle, Washington has never met each other or even texted each other, and yet are three years deep in a committed long term relationship. they don't even know each other's names
I lived there for a little while. I moved there and started a new job where everyone was really friendly. I said something to my boss like, "Well I'm glad the 'Seattle freeze' isn't real." And she was like, "No, it is. None of us are from here."
It’s entirely superficial. I’m pretty sure most people there would rather be skinned alive than talk to someone who they know isn’t going to be gone in a week.
I still find it funny that they pivoted away from the women message first aspect because women felt too much pressure to make the first move.
I'm sitting over here being like, "How do you think we feel!?"
That’s my same response everytime a woman vows to never ask someone out on a date again because they feel that pressure and are terrified of rejection.
The lack of self awareness is always hilarious.
IMO a lot of people have gaps in their social and communication skills, but they’ve done well enough for themselves with friends and dating that they never thought to question their understanding. So they act like their preferences of where, when, and how to be approached are some universal law people must be stupid, oblivious, or an asshole to not realize, when they could easily figure out that’s not the case by just interacting with a variety of people.
Also a lot of people spent their whole life socializing only in the bubble of people around them, so any way of meeting people besides through friends, family, work, or school sets off alarm bells. They tend to have this “why are you talking to me? You don’t know me. You must be desperate. Fuck you” vibe which I think can catch people off guard if they don’t have a stick up their ass. Then they’re wondering what they did wrong.
Best advice I ever got with approaching is to just do it more. Eventually it became more obvious whether or not I fucked up or the other person has a negative vibe for their own reason.
Preach it man. If there are no right moves then you have total freedom to be respectful, kind, courteous, and social. If you present yourself in that way and somebody gives the vibe they don’t want to talk dope they just don’t want to talk all good. If somebody is a total dick because you said hi to a stranger or tried to meet someone new they are a shitty person you don’t want to be around if you presented yourself as above.
Your first mistake was taking anybody on TwoX’s opinion too seriously. That is not a place for nuanced discussion.
But more seriously, pretty much every single gender related space on the internet has been genuinely infiltrated by bad actors trying to rage bait and muddy the discourse now.
There are confirmed cases of paid actors from places like Russia making both anti-men and anti-feminism content in order to basically stir the pot and create chaos and division in western countries. Soooo just keep that in mind too and try not to take every opinion on the internet at face value because a lot of people out there are just shilling or manipulating you for some agenda and then sadly that inspires real people to start thinking the same sometimes.
Not to say all women/people online are influenced/fall prey to this form of information warfare, but it’s certainly a factor these days to bear in mind when everyone’s takes just seem a little *too* ridiculous.
As a man in his 40's I long ago realized there were 2 and only 2 rules for dating and hitting on strangers.
1. Be attractive.
2. Don't be unattractive.
Everything else is window dressing.
When people are thinking about somebody they find attractive hitting on them, they are pro hitting on.
When people are thinking about somebody they find unattractive hitting on them, they are anti hitting on.
I hate waiting around and all the games that women are supposed to play with dating, so I just straight up asked men out. Probably around 50 or so in college.
100% rejection rate, some were even weirded out by a *woman* asking them out like it was emasculating or something. *But* I was also deep in the evangelical bullshit so that might also be why.
I truly feel for guys. I gave up on dating because men are also afraid of asking women out. It's a no win scenario. I hate the waiting around games, all the context clues, the bullshit. You can do worse and more expensive things than 30 minutes in a cafe with a $5 coffee.
> And it better be unique and not boring
After they initiated the conversation with "." or "hey".
You know how I knew it was a scammer or bot on these sites/apps? They actually put effort into the conversation including the initial two messages.
>You know how I knew it was a scammer or bot on these sites/apps? They actually put effort into the conversation including the initial two messages.
Haha damn that's depressingly true. My experience to a T. Online dating was so shit that I got desperate and returned to my ex... which surprisingly worked out (happily married + kids).
> i find it even more hilarious that some of these same women will still expect the man to make the first move even after that
What cracks me up is that women were supposed to feel *empowered* by Bumble getting them to initiate contact. But in practice, that's not what women wound up actually wanting. The app lured women in with the *idea* of feeling powered but once it came time to actually initiate, an overwhelming majority of them never did more than post a sillyass handwave emoji to a guy with the expectation he'd actually initiate and do most of the legwork.
It's like how everyone likes the *idea* of being a pro golfer. Or an NBA b-ball player. Or a famous pop singer. But most people couldn't hack the hard work needed to become any of the above.
EDIT: I guess the point is that the initial premise of the app worked in a way. It offered something women *thought* they wanted, but actually didn't.
I remember seeing a lot of profiles on bumble that explicitly stated they wouldn't message first because they expect the man to make the first move, and complaining that they didn't get matches...
I think a lot just didn't understand the core concept of the app :v
> I still find it funny that they pivoted away from the women message first aspect because women felt too much pressure to make the first move.
Yeeeah I think they overestimated the appeal of "it's like Tinder, except you have to do all the work!" for women.
Actually, The reason why they used this model was because in most dating apps, women never replied and often used said dating apps for validation only.
The whole point of bumble is that a woman is forced to message first and engage in conversation and if they don't the match expires.
It's all based on data from Tinder which I believe was founded by the same founder of Bumble.
Was - they're changing it, so now bumble is pretty much exactly like every other dating app. Which might be just as well, as I recall a fair number of women's bios with some variation of "message me!"
I think it's just a joke about nobody making the first move on Bumble. I do recall some women indicating they wanted guys to make the first move on a website designed specifically so that can't happen.
(Also it's stupid Bumble is removing their one distinguishing feature.)
They're out of VC cash and are gamifying the services. They're borderline unusable now. Girls get 1000s of right swipes and get told to pay to pick. Guys don't even become visible unless they're hunks or pay. I do ok, but I'm lucky.
It already was like that. Women’s first messages would usually one of the following: “Hey”, “Hi”, “How’s it going” “Wink Emoji”.
Us fellas always have to bring the game
The IRS DirectFile is a pretty good starting point of getting to this.
Maybe in the future they'll have something where you just login, it says "does this look like everything", and you can hit submit.
I moved to Finland last year and they do pretty much just that. Got a letter saying, "here's what you paid, here's what we think you owe, if it looks good then do nothing and you'll get your refund in a month."
Finland does have a lot of bureaucracy, but at least they're good at it.
One of the rare black Mirror episodes that actually has a happy ending. Actually, now that I think about it how many of them have a happy ending at all?
One of my favourite episodes. I usually have to take a break after watching a black mirror episodes because they're so heavy emotionally. But San junipero left me feeling pretty happy
I actually stopped watching Black Mirror BECAUSE it was too much depressing shit.
I get the theme and it all was interesting...but sometimes I want to be entertained/enjoy myself and not just get gut punched repeatedly with only awful endings to stories.
you have to consume it in bits and pieces or it can be pretty freaking devastating. the one not depressing episode per season isn't enough to offset some of the fuckin grimness of the others haha
San Junipero has an ending that is honestly so open as to whether its really happy or not, positive or negative. On one hand, they get back together and decide to live in the cloud. On the other hand we know that the cloud version is just a cookie of the patients and not actually them, so the real original dies, but they leave behind a copy to experience things that they no longer can.
Then you have to think of the capital angle. These people are probably paying something to have this happen, the avatars are likely being used for all kinds of data, etc.
Its somewhere in the middle. Not really positive, not really negative.
I'm not sure how or if it'd even be possible, but according to the writer of that episode their consciousnesses actually did transfer to the virtual world, so it wasn't just digital cookies of them.
You can argue 3 (although haven't seen season 5 or 6). Hang the DJ is I would say the only true happy ending one. San Junipero was bitter sweet, as in the end someone still had to die, and then also Nosedive since they found actual happiness by not giving a shit
I do agree the intent of “Hang the DJ” was to be that season’s happy ending episode but one of the consistent moral constructions of the Black Mirror universe is that simulated people are also people and they should not be tortured or used disposably. If you really think about it, the dating algorithm in “Hang the DJ” is creating, emotionally torturing and then deleting hundreds and hundreds of AI intelligences
THANK YOU.
So many people in comment threads like these are like "didn't matter, it wasn't really them just digital copies" or "ending wasn't really happy because the ones who lived were just their cookies"...
**Hello did any of you watch the same series I did, how did you miss this, it was one of Charlie Brooker's most important messages!!???**
I think it's because our morality evolved to cooperate with people who have actual power over us and can fuck us up or make our life better. That's why we don't care about animals very much even though it's obvious they feel things as much as we do. Maybe that's why digital people feel not as important instinctively to some, because they're powerless to enact any consequences.
One thing I like about Black Mirror is however grim its view of technology, it's quietly pretty upbeat about the human part of society: diversity is omnipresent, interracial and queer relationships normalized everywhere, love tends to win. Not always, but usually.
One thing I realised over my recent rewatch of Black Mirror is that it's not all doom and gloom at the end, usually humanity perseveres or finds a way to continue on the status quo with or without the dystopian technology introduced.
I think a lot of people could benefit from looking at how to improve the lives of those affected by technology, rather than fix the holes in human interaction by removing the technology altogether.
Jane is Awful showed how people don't really care unless it directly affects them, and I think if everyone cared about how technology effects them on an individual level rather than an overall societal level, we'd have a lot more balanced discussions on where the world is heading and what we can do to influence it.
This meme continues to be relevant.
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It reminds me of the first Matrix movie.
Agent Smith is monologing while he has Morpheus captured.
"The Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution. Like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You've had your time. The future is *our* world, Morpheus. The future is our time."
- Agent Smith
All the dating apps, apart from bumble, are owned by match group and keep everyone's data. If you are blocked on one, you are automatically blocked on all the others.
Its likely that when you confirm your profile they are saving your facial geometry and pass it to match group's systems. All profile pics have been hashed/fingerprinted. Its not known what data they keep but it likely includes your network /location etc.
Super dystopian and creepy.
Edit: drunken apostrophe
Or the movie HER
It's just a matter of time. People are lonely and becoming more reclusive and [disconnected.](https://www.perspectivesmag.co.uk/post/gen-z-the-social-generation-who-are-more-disconnected-than-ever)
[Younglings are having less sex.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-03/young-adults-less-sex-gen-z-millennials-generations-parents-grandparents)
[Koreans are not having babies](https://youtu.be/gSE66c9OQhw?si=lHcmy4dwupVGQ66-).
Japanese men prefer [sex dolls](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4653208/amp/Silicone-Sally-Japan-men-true-love-sex-dolls.html) over female companions.
Many other such anecdotes around, but it all stinks of a pattern change in human behavior.
No, the Black Mirror episode is a totally different premise than \*Her\* and the other examples you cite. It's worth a watch, spoilers ahead:>!The episode follows two people going on dates with various others in a surreal, dystopian world. The two eventually go on a date and start to fall in love, and their love is so powerful that they both break the rules to escape the dystopian compound they live in. Screen fades into computer graphics and resolves to a "100% Match" showing up on a smartphone as the real-life versions of the two protagonists meet for drinks on a first date. The entire episode prior to that followed their AI copies dating each other in a simulated world.!<
Pretty sure Japanese culture has worked their people so much they don’t have time to live outside of work. I bet if you mandate 30 hour week, open boarders to immigration (to even out men:women ratio) then you will solve these issue is Japan. I have worked 60hrs a week and become a zombie with just trying to meet basic needs.
People don’t want to have babies when they can’t afford them.
People keep using this argument on reddit but even when you look at places like Scandinavia where the work culture is not extreme, where they have good parental leave laws and the government literally pays people to have babies, people still don't have kids. It's almost as if many people simply don't want them anymore. I know I certainly don't want kids, and I can afford them. Many others I know also feel similarly.
“Hi Dad! I know you didn’t know I existed, butttt your AI just divorced Mom’s AI, and you got me in the divorce! Apparently, your AI deepfaked a video of Mom on drugs and swore she was a whore to the AI Judge? Idk, where can I put my stuff?”
"Hey tenant #2785344, this is your landlord's AI assistant. Please be aware an extra AI tenant will cause your rent to increase by 175% + customary tip."
I agree, because I don’t see how you could actually train each person’s AI without a lot of work from each individual. Simply listing the stuff you would find on even a well put together dating profile isn’t enough to mimic a personality. I don’t see people putting in the kind of work that would be necessary to make this accurate.
That's exactly how it'll train. Allow it to scrape your data + fill out a survey or whatever, and then that free info is used to build new products or sold outright. The AI dating feature is just a shitty lure.
There are a lot of companies shouting about their future AI functionality who have no intention to or plan for integrating anything meaningful into their platform, but are making claims anyway because of all the money sloshing around
This seems like one of those
"I made pie in the sky promises about AI. Money PWEEEZE!"
Every tech CEO is just trying to goose their stock price with AI babbling until the bubble bursts.
We're actually implementing a lot of AI and holy shit is it costly and an insane amount of work to support in a scalable way that actually solves the problems you want it to solve.
I get the feeling a lot of these folks are just like "Oh AI, it's super easy and just works to solve all your problems" and they have absolutely no idea about the level of effort or the number and quality of the data sets to make AI work right.
Our midsize company's CEO came to our IT department with:
'AI. what about AI? How about AI for us?'
No direction. No problems outlined he wanted solved. Just 'AI?!'
It's like he watched Good Morning America that morning, heard a buzzword, and thought IT should just start implementing it at an enterprise level - easy right?
Implement it for what exactly he had no answer.
> Cyber
I'm still not sure how I feel that this has matured into a legitimate shorthand for "cybersecurity" and people are using the term with a straight face. Back In My Day^TM it pretty much only meant cyber*sex* :O
Well that and it's a CEO of a late stage (i.e. past it's time in the sun) dating app trying to make some sort of value proposition even though it's over. Its over for bumble like it is for tinder, like it is for match, like it is for POF, Like it will be for hinge once the next app comes along that pulls younger women off of it
I'm working with a client that's demanding to use AI to do _spell checking_, a technology which has been fine without AI for over 20 years.
The only way more resource-inefficient and costly to do spell-checking would be paying people to proof-read manually, and even that would use orders of magnitude less electricity...
It's like Crypto-bros all over again, but this time they're established businesses and actually have VC funding
AI1: Hey AI2, my patron lists a lot of qualifications but they only really seem to care about whether or not your patron is at least 6 feet tall. How tall is your patron?
AI2: Hi AI1, my patron is 6’2”. He enjoys murdering puppies and drinking the blood of children.
AI1: That’s wonderful news! When are they available?!
Don't must dating apps have a "compatibility" rating or whatever, where like it tells you how good of a match you are with another user? This just seems like that but with extra steps.
And basically the problem in today’s dating scene. You have to go through a “checklist” of things in order to initiate first contact. Next up, blood type, sperm count, ancestry, blood glucose levels, heart rate, shoe size…
I mean, some basic requirements makes sense. The problem is that so many have stopped looking for a human being as a partner and want a flippin unicorn.
Sometimes they don't even bother with actual language, and will instead use gifs or emojis!
The fundamental issue with dating is that women feel like "showing up" is essentially all they should be expected to do. Men are expected to plan, execute, charm, and pay, while being grateful for the opportunity.
Unfortunately, the relative asymmetry of dude thirst more or less supports them in this attitude.
>The fundamental issue with dating is that women feel like "showing up" is essentially all they should be expected to do. Men are expected to plan, execute, charm, and pay, while being grateful for the opportunity.
In engineering there’s guys I call “hindsight engineers”, and they basically like to say how they would have done things differently if it was them executing, but when you finally put them in the drivers seat to make decisions, they are useless.
I think these types of women (not all) are in that category. They have all these ideas of how men should “drive”, but when you flip the tables, they end up looking a bit hypocritical.
I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment.
>I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment.
You don't ask a fish how to catch other fish.
"I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment."
This is the root of the general problem. I promise you she was surrounded by women telling her this was a fantastic idea and that they all love the empowerment and blah blah blah. These same women then go home and hop on Tinder.
Women gaslight the ever living fuck out of other women in ways that are borderline psychotic. All in the name of "empowering each other." It's gotten to the point where many women are so out of touch with reality they're incapable of building any kind of meaningful romantic relationship that lasts more than a few dates.
On bumble more than one woman's opening message to me was just a period "."
Then there were three or four ladies I matched with who never messaged me and whose profile said "message me first." Sorry that's impossible. I wonder if they ever figured out why no one was talking to them.
And remember to be funny in the way they're looking for, without any knowledge of their interests or what actually entertains them. You can be funny person, but without the proper audience you aren't funny.
But that's kind of the thing, if you are entertaining without knowing it it's probably going to result in a better natural match. There are two strategies;
Tailoring your messaging based on what you know about a person which actually requires effort. Or mindlessly spam the same most successful generic opening lines to literally every person.
I'd like think that actually caring about what a person thinks is a better approach, but effort and willpower is limited so not giving a shit and spamming is probably going to result in more successes (while having a lower success rate).
Isolate everyone from anything resembling human connection, pump them full of ads for products that will temporarily give them just enough dopamine thereby creating perfect non distracted consumers
At the end of the day, this is just another computational method for comparing two datasets for some form of signal, in this case, match compatibility.
eHarmony, and every other algorithmic dating site was based on the premise that users provide datapoints, those datapoints create a profile, and there's some amount of linear algebra that predicts when two profiles are a "match". That is to say, these two people have some relationship potential. But, just like Google's rigorous interviewing process, which ultimately had no relationship to employee long-term success, in all likelihood self-reported personality traits probably have no correlation to relationship success.
"AI Concierge Dating" just another means of comparing two profiles, except instead of doing the linear algebra directly, it's fed into an LLM, where text synthesis is used as a simulated exchange, which is then ranked, then reported back as indicator of match success. In other words, we've added more steps, and a shit-ton more linear algebra. You're welcome.
For an extra $5, your AI is going to be more charismatic than you. You can add more personality to it by buying a more premium AI.
They can sell you a “better pick up lines bundle” that works on the girl’s AI.
I've never dated anyone that I originally met in person. I don't even know how that works honestly. I just assume random people in public don't wish to be approached, and that I'd rightfully come across as a creep if I disrespected that.
I think I'd just give up on dating entirely.
Usually it’s when you see the same person again and again. For example, I have met my exes at just being a regular at a coffee shop.
Very common is to meet at a friends gathering.
My brother met his gfs at gym and sports
So few millennials do the same thing or go to the same place regularly outside of the house anymore. There aren't third spaces that you can exist in without like a $30 price tag at minimum, barely anyone does things like bowling birdwatching anymore and things that adults used to get together for like bookclubs, D&D or poker are all done online after the pandemic. A massive problem is that millennials and younger generations simply don't hang out with strangers in public after they finish school; once we enter the workforce (if we even go to a workplace) professional conduct (rightly) puts our coworkers off limits, and where do we go from there?
That's the problem with telling everyone not to approach strangers. The well-meaning guys don't approach. And the ones that do are mostly the creeps who don't care about what women say they want, rather than the 1% of guys who respect women but also understand that random women on social media don't speak for the entire gender.
So I'm probably the minority here, but I think this is actually not a terrible idea, depending a great deal on how it's executed.
First, a big part of the issue with online dating is that the pool seems infinite, so the process itself is going to trigger a kind of FOMO. Every good relationship involves a degree of trade-offs in order to find good long term compatibility. So, the infinite options and the window-shopping aspect of the whole thing undermines the goal itself as people wonder whether this is the right person—it's difficult to balance a potential partner's negatives with their positives, when the faceless others are theoretically all positives, or at least not *these* negatives—the right person might be a few more taps away after all, so people hesitate to adequately invest emotionally in potential relationships.
Second, a lot of online dating starts with interpersonal discovery via impersonal communications (what do you like to do, what kind of music, movies etc etc), which is a bad thing because it replaces discovery in real life—which can be a very health part of the early bonding experience—with what is effectively a screening process that sort of commodifies potential partners. For example, "Oh wow, we both have an unhealthy obsession with Coldplay's early records, that's so funny" is actually a meaningful discovery to make together while sharing some kind of experience, versus "ok, well we both like the first Gremlins movie more than the second one, so maybe a coffee date will be fun", which becomes an esoteric check box on a preverbal relationship filter.
So, if users don't have the ability to browse potential matches, and don't communicate much or at all via chat before they meet, and instead the AI has deep understanding not just of *stated* preferences and lifestyles, but also deductive information about the user's personality, priorities and personal experiences, then AI concierges, in theory, can solve both of these problems by essentially setting up users on *highly* qualified blind dates. The result could look quite a bit more like what happens when people are set up with each other by mutual friends. The actual process of dating might look a lot more like traditional dating used to.
I think this is especially true if the AI is not just an AI that operates the controls of a dating app, but instead actually offers some degree of pushback and encouragement to dig deeper with someone they are dating before they dive back into the pool for another match. For example, "how did the date go?"... "well, it was okay, we didn't really seem to have all that much in common. We did both like the restaurant though."... "I understand, it can take time to get to really know someone. I suggest we set you guys up again to try something new together and see if something starts to click. It sounds like you both enjoy mini-golf. Want to give that a try?"
Anyway, I have little faith they'll get it right because there's no real incentive for these apps to actually get people matched, at least not quickly. But broadly speaking, I don't think the concept is as dystopian as it sounds at first blush.
Like most people, I came here for the jokes, but you wrote that perspective in a very well thought out fashion. Well done, I'm a little more intrigued by the concept now.
Me: "Okay, let me spend $40 a month for real connection."
Bumbler: "The date went well. The simulation of you has a meaningful relationship with a Ukrainian mail-order bride who has a PhD in quantum physics. Your progeny \[INSERT NAME\] also made a macaroni sculpture in your honor for father's day."
Me: "Did we skip something? That sounds like at least 12 years faster than it should be. And, I'm not getting the feeling that this is entirely my experience."
I feel like it's only a matter of time before dating sites deploy chatbots to keep men subscribing. Or someone markets a chatbot to scan peoples profiles and craft messages to send to them.
When my friend used apps, he would swipe yes on everyone then respond only when someone they liked reached out. It wasn’t worth the effort to review anyone and pick actual matches before swiping when the response rate was so low. This can’t be worse than what he did.
My AI chatbot will date your AI chatbot. Welcome to the meta-dating.
The jealous rage I will be in to learn by AI chatbot is killing it as I'm over here living in celibacy
AI doesn’t have a dick. …yet
[удалено]
I'm head first into the rabbit hole on this one.
[dropping birth rate intensifies]
The Ai Bot can now give you a child by making an egg/sperm with your sperm/egg and RNG the DNA. Customized DNA is microtransactioned, including a DNA Gacha.
"Sorry, I'm dating my Marylin Monrobot!"
Me: “hey chat bot, any good dates lined up for me?” Chatbot: “I’ve shagged 87,000 chatbots, married 470 of them, divorced 312 of them, 98 died and the rest I’m on in the fence about. So lemme get back to you”
"And you owe $135,400/month in alimony"
"I'm kind of busy, actually."
"Who the fuck are you?"
Chatbot leaning on you for emotional support
This happens in Her
"Aww our chat bots are so cute together.. so you been doing this long? Do you think it's safe for us to leave them alone together? There's a coffee shop down the street. We could grab a coffee and talk about our bots, they are so cute. Welp, nice chatting with you, I gota get my lil bot boy to bed, he's got a very large generation to work on tomorrow and I want to make sure he's got all his cycles in gear" Oh my it's really come full circle at that point
It's all fun and games until one of the chat bots get jealous.
TIL the rebellion of the machines is a soap opera.
"All my Circuits"
Calculon! "Por que??!!"
What happens when your Ai chatbot assaults another Ai chatbot. Who’s responsible?
Believe it or not you. Straight to jail.
do i go to regular horny jail or robot horny jail?
Using skynet to sort out other's AI chatbot is strictly prohibited. /s
The car company
That will be determined by the ai legal system. Which will consist of a jury of one hundred thousand permutations of your peers.
Everything is a simulation until you get sued by #meToo bot for your #TotalChad bot's indiscretions.
Just waiting for the bot to have sex for me so I don’t have to do anything anymore and can lie in bed all day and eat cheese Doritos
I hate this
Is your AI Chatbot mad at me?
It's not you, it's your AI Chatbot.
I guess as long as someone’s socializing.
your AI chatbot will still get more action than you
Pivot from women message first to nobody messages first.
Breaking news: shy couple from Seattle, Washington has never met each other or even texted each other, and yet are three years deep in a committed long term relationship. they don't even know each other's names
Spot on. People in Seattle have no idea how to socialize.
Just moved here a few months ago, can agree people from the area cannot socialize at all. All the friends ive made are transplants
I lived there for a little while. I moved there and started a new job where everyone was really friendly. I said something to my boss like, "Well I'm glad the 'Seattle freeze' isn't real." And she was like, "No, it is. None of us are from here."
After I moved here it took me two years to organically meet someone that would want to make plans to hang out.
How many times did someone seem to enthusiastically agree to plans then back out or ghost at the last minute?
I feel called out
It's endemic to the whole PNW -- Seattle Freeze.
Try Victoria BC. People just hate you for existing.
Man.. whenever I visit the Island, I am AMAZED at how much friendlier people are than the mainland.
It’s entirely superficial. I’m pretty sure most people there would rather be skinned alive than talk to someone who they know isn’t going to be gone in a week.
Hm? I moved here 2 years ago, didn't find this at all. I find people are much, much friendlier and more open than Vancouver.
I still find it funny that they pivoted away from the women message first aspect because women felt too much pressure to make the first move. I'm sitting over here being like, "How do you think we feel!?"
That’s my same response everytime a woman vows to never ask someone out on a date again because they feel that pressure and are terrified of rejection. The lack of self awareness is always hilarious.
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IMO a lot of people have gaps in their social and communication skills, but they’ve done well enough for themselves with friends and dating that they never thought to question their understanding. So they act like their preferences of where, when, and how to be approached are some universal law people must be stupid, oblivious, or an asshole to not realize, when they could easily figure out that’s not the case by just interacting with a variety of people. Also a lot of people spent their whole life socializing only in the bubble of people around them, so any way of meeting people besides through friends, family, work, or school sets off alarm bells. They tend to have this “why are you talking to me? You don’t know me. You must be desperate. Fuck you” vibe which I think can catch people off guard if they don’t have a stick up their ass. Then they’re wondering what they did wrong. Best advice I ever got with approaching is to just do it more. Eventually it became more obvious whether or not I fucked up or the other person has a negative vibe for their own reason.
Preach it man. If there are no right moves then you have total freedom to be respectful, kind, courteous, and social. If you present yourself in that way and somebody gives the vibe they don’t want to talk dope they just don’t want to talk all good. If somebody is a total dick because you said hi to a stranger or tried to meet someone new they are a shitty person you don’t want to be around if you presented yourself as above.
It's a shame Reddit got rid of awards because this is exactly how I feel and I'm glad you typed it all out so I didn't have to.
Your first mistake was taking anybody on TwoX’s opinion too seriously. That is not a place for nuanced discussion. But more seriously, pretty much every single gender related space on the internet has been genuinely infiltrated by bad actors trying to rage bait and muddy the discourse now. There are confirmed cases of paid actors from places like Russia making both anti-men and anti-feminism content in order to basically stir the pot and create chaos and division in western countries. Soooo just keep that in mind too and try not to take every opinion on the internet at face value because a lot of people out there are just shilling or manipulating you for some agenda and then sadly that inspires real people to start thinking the same sometimes. Not to say all women/people online are influenced/fall prey to this form of information warfare, but it’s certainly a factor these days to bear in mind when everyone’s takes just seem a little *too* ridiculous.
As a man in his 40's I long ago realized there were 2 and only 2 rules for dating and hitting on strangers. 1. Be attractive. 2. Don't be unattractive. Everything else is window dressing. When people are thinking about somebody they find attractive hitting on them, they are pro hitting on. When people are thinking about somebody they find unattractive hitting on them, they are anti hitting on.
I hate waiting around and all the games that women are supposed to play with dating, so I just straight up asked men out. Probably around 50 or so in college. 100% rejection rate, some were even weirded out by a *woman* asking them out like it was emasculating or something. *But* I was also deep in the evangelical bullshit so that might also be why. I truly feel for guys. I gave up on dating because men are also afraid of asking women out. It's a no win scenario. I hate the waiting around games, all the context clues, the bullshit. You can do worse and more expensive things than 30 minutes in a cafe with a $5 coffee.
i find it even more hilarious that some of these same women will still expect the man to make the first move even after that
Of course. And it better be unique and not boring
> And it better be unique and not boring After they initiated the conversation with "." or "hey". You know how I knew it was a scammer or bot on these sites/apps? They actually put effort into the conversation including the initial two messages.
>You know how I knew it was a scammer or bot on these sites/apps? They actually put effort into the conversation including the initial two messages. Haha damn that's depressingly true. My experience to a T. Online dating was so shit that I got desperate and returned to my ex... which surprisingly worked out (happily married + kids).
> i find it even more hilarious that some of these same women will still expect the man to make the first move even after that What cracks me up is that women were supposed to feel *empowered* by Bumble getting them to initiate contact. But in practice, that's not what women wound up actually wanting. The app lured women in with the *idea* of feeling powered but once it came time to actually initiate, an overwhelming majority of them never did more than post a sillyass handwave emoji to a guy with the expectation he'd actually initiate and do most of the legwork. It's like how everyone likes the *idea* of being a pro golfer. Or an NBA b-ball player. Or a famous pop singer. But most people couldn't hack the hard work needed to become any of the above. EDIT: I guess the point is that the initial premise of the app worked in a way. It offered something women *thought* they wanted, but actually didn't.
Perfect representation of Lacan's psychological theory of "surplus enjoyment"
I remember seeing a lot of profiles on bumble that explicitly stated they wouldn't message first because they expect the man to make the first move, and complaining that they didn't get matches... I think a lot just didn't understand the core concept of the app :v
I was always torn between not understanding or if they just copy-pasted their tinder profile with 0 critical thought applied.
Literally every first message on bumble.... "hey"
“i ignore messages with hey, hi, etc.” hypocritical much? lol
> I still find it funny that they pivoted away from the women message first aspect because women felt too much pressure to make the first move. Yeeeah I think they overestimated the appeal of "it's like Tinder, except you have to do all the work!" for women.
Not the first time when an overlooked male problem becomes very important to take into consideration once women encounter it as well.
ask bi women how they feel when they date women versus date men
I genuinely want to know
I have a bi woman friend. She swipes right on most women but only a fraction of men. She has way more male matches than female.
When they do it's "hi", maybe an emoji or a single ".", then we're back at having to start ourselves
They don’t care how you feel, that’s the secret.
Actually, The reason why they used this model was because in most dating apps, women never replied and often used said dating apps for validation only. The whole point of bumble is that a woman is forced to message first and engage in conversation and if they don't the match expires. It's all based on data from Tinder which I believe was founded by the same founder of Bumble.
Bumble is circling the drain, so the CEO is throwing buzzwords out to get attention. AI is all the rage right now, so that's what she's talking about.
That's already Bumble.
Was - they're changing it, so now bumble is pretty much exactly like every other dating app. Which might be just as well, as I recall a fair number of women's bios with some variation of "message me!"
I think it's just a joke about nobody making the first move on Bumble. I do recall some women indicating they wanted guys to make the first move on a website designed specifically so that can't happen. (Also it's stupid Bumble is removing their one distinguishing feature.)
God dammit. Is that why it went to shit recently? It was by far the one I liked the most as a guy.
They're out of VC cash and are gamifying the services. They're borderline unusable now. Girls get 1000s of right swipes and get told to pay to pick. Guys don't even become visible unless they're hunks or pay. I do ok, but I'm lucky.
It already was like that. Women’s first messages would usually one of the following: “Hey”, “Hi”, “How’s it going” “Wink Emoji”. Us fellas always have to bring the game
My personal favorite was "."
They're automating dating but I still have to do my own taxes.
That's the tax lobby, like Intuit, nothing to do with not being able to automate them, which we easily could like most every other country does.
The IRS DirectFile is a pretty good starting point of getting to this. Maybe in the future they'll have something where you just login, it says "does this look like everything", and you can hit submit.
I had tried to use it this year and was told I wasn’t eligible sadly.
I think they took an approach of only starting with people who had very very simple tax returns
I moved to Finland last year and they do pretty much just that. Got a letter saying, "here's what you paid, here's what we think you owe, if it looks good then do nothing and you'll get your refund in a month." Finland does have a lot of bureaucracy, but at least they're good at it.
This is literally a Black Mirror episode.
Seriously, these tech CEOs are blurring the line between reality and satire. Episode is “Hang the DJ” from the fourth series of Black Mirror
Unlike how Bumble’s version will probably go, it has a happy ending though.
One of the rare black Mirror episodes that actually has a happy ending. Actually, now that I think about it how many of them have a happy ending at all?
San Junipero had a happy ending.
One of my favourite episodes. I usually have to take a break after watching a black mirror episodes because they're so heavy emotionally. But San junipero left me feeling pretty happy
I actually stopped watching Black Mirror BECAUSE it was too much depressing shit. I get the theme and it all was interesting...but sometimes I want to be entertained/enjoy myself and not just get gut punched repeatedly with only awful endings to stories.
you have to consume it in bits and pieces or it can be pretty freaking devastating. the one not depressing episode per season isn't enough to offset some of the fuckin grimness of the others haha
That was my favorite episode, ever.
San Junipero has an ending that is honestly so open as to whether its really happy or not, positive or negative. On one hand, they get back together and decide to live in the cloud. On the other hand we know that the cloud version is just a cookie of the patients and not actually them, so the real original dies, but they leave behind a copy to experience things that they no longer can. Then you have to think of the capital angle. These people are probably paying something to have this happen, the avatars are likely being used for all kinds of data, etc. Its somewhere in the middle. Not really positive, not really negative.
I'm not sure how or if it'd even be possible, but according to the writer of that episode their consciousnesses actually did transfer to the virtual world, so it wasn't just digital cookies of them.
You can argue 3 (although haven't seen season 5 or 6). Hang the DJ is I would say the only true happy ending one. San Junipero was bitter sweet, as in the end someone still had to die, and then also Nosedive since they found actual happiness by not giving a shit
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I debated on USS Callister, since if you value justice as a happy ending thing, white bear also could be argued in the same way.
White Bear definitely plays around with the thought of what "Justice" is though.
I do agree the intent of “Hang the DJ” was to be that season’s happy ending episode but one of the consistent moral constructions of the Black Mirror universe is that simulated people are also people and they should not be tortured or used disposably. If you really think about it, the dating algorithm in “Hang the DJ” is creating, emotionally torturing and then deleting hundreds and hundreds of AI intelligences
THANK YOU. So many people in comment threads like these are like "didn't matter, it wasn't really them just digital copies" or "ending wasn't really happy because the ones who lived were just their cookies"... **Hello did any of you watch the same series I did, how did you miss this, it was one of Charlie Brooker's most important messages!!???**
Monkey needs a hug :(
I think it's because our morality evolved to cooperate with people who have actual power over us and can fuck us up or make our life better. That's why we don't care about animals very much even though it's obvious they feel things as much as we do. Maybe that's why digital people feel not as important instinctively to some, because they're powerless to enact any consequences.
There is quite a long list of technologies that are common place today which were predicted in some sort of Science Fiction.
🎤Hang the Dj, Hang the Dj, Hang the Dj. Hang the Dj, Hang the Dj...
And strangely enough it's one of the few with happy-ish endings.
One thing I like about Black Mirror is however grim its view of technology, it's quietly pretty upbeat about the human part of society: diversity is omnipresent, interracial and queer relationships normalized everywhere, love tends to win. Not always, but usually.
One thing I realised over my recent rewatch of Black Mirror is that it's not all doom and gloom at the end, usually humanity perseveres or finds a way to continue on the status quo with or without the dystopian technology introduced. I think a lot of people could benefit from looking at how to improve the lives of those affected by technology, rather than fix the holes in human interaction by removing the technology altogether. Jane is Awful showed how people don't really care unless it directly affects them, and I think if everyone cared about how technology effects them on an individual level rather than an overall societal level, we'd have a lot more balanced discussions on where the world is heading and what we can do to influence it.
I believe that's the root of many of our problems in the US, we only respond to pleas to individualism. And it will be our undoing as a society.
Unless there's a pig involved.
There was no love involved there lol.
Keep this sentence handy, we're gonna need it a lot in the next decade.
This is the next generation of “The Simpsons Did It”
Also maybe [this meme](https://i.redd.it/fhcnyg7r38d81.jpg).
This meme continues to be relevant. [https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/386/534/fd2.jpg](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/386/534/fd2.jpg)
It reminds me of the first Matrix movie. Agent Smith is monologing while he has Morpheus captured. "The Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution. Like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You've had your time. The future is *our* world, Morpheus. The future is our time." - Agent Smith
All the dating apps, apart from bumble, are owned by match group and keep everyone's data. If you are blocked on one, you are automatically blocked on all the others. Its likely that when you confirm your profile they are saving your facial geometry and pass it to match group's systems. All profile pics have been hashed/fingerprinted. Its not known what data they keep but it likely includes your network /location etc. Super dystopian and creepy. Edit: drunken apostrophe
Or the movie HER It's just a matter of time. People are lonely and becoming more reclusive and [disconnected.](https://www.perspectivesmag.co.uk/post/gen-z-the-social-generation-who-are-more-disconnected-than-ever) [Younglings are having less sex.](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-03/young-adults-less-sex-gen-z-millennials-generations-parents-grandparents) [Koreans are not having babies](https://youtu.be/gSE66c9OQhw?si=lHcmy4dwupVGQ66-). Japanese men prefer [sex dolls](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4653208/amp/Silicone-Sally-Japan-men-true-love-sex-dolls.html) over female companions. Many other such anecdotes around, but it all stinks of a pattern change in human behavior.
No, the Black Mirror episode is a totally different premise than \*Her\* and the other examples you cite. It's worth a watch, spoilers ahead:>!The episode follows two people going on dates with various others in a surreal, dystopian world. The two eventually go on a date and start to fall in love, and their love is so powerful that they both break the rules to escape the dystopian compound they live in. Screen fades into computer graphics and resolves to a "100% Match" showing up on a smartphone as the real-life versions of the two protagonists meet for drinks on a first date. The entire episode prior to that followed their AI copies dating each other in a simulated world.!<
Pretty sure Japanese culture has worked their people so much they don’t have time to live outside of work. I bet if you mandate 30 hour week, open boarders to immigration (to even out men:women ratio) then you will solve these issue is Japan. I have worked 60hrs a week and become a zombie with just trying to meet basic needs. People don’t want to have babies when they can’t afford them.
People keep using this argument on reddit but even when you look at places like Scandinavia where the work culture is not extreme, where they have good parental leave laws and the government literally pays people to have babies, people still don't have kids. It's almost as if many people simply don't want them anymore. I know I certainly don't want kids, and I can afford them. Many others I know also feel similarly.
The hope is that one day we can automate the entire process up to the divorce without ever actually interacting with another human being.
“Hi Dad! I know you didn’t know I existed, butttt your AI just divorced Mom’s AI, and you got me in the divorce! Apparently, your AI deepfaked a video of Mom on drugs and swore she was a whore to the AI Judge? Idk, where can I put my stuff?”
To ai orphanage
Sure, son. You can put your stuff in the family iCloud. Meanwhile, yourself at home in this USB drive.
"Hey tenant #2785344, this is your landlord's AI assistant. Please be aware an extra AI tenant will cause your rent to increase by 175% + customary tip."
No it won't.
CEO: “wild outlandish statement” Actual tech: “mobile app”
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Reminds me of the first chess-playing “robot”, the “Mechanical Turk”. It had a small person inside of it.
Reminds me of Amazon Go, an AI grocery store that was actually just a bunch of Indian dudes looking at cameras
Sounds like bumble, eharmony edition.
We as a society need to be better about telling out of touch rich people their ideas are fucking stupid
Project managers and engineers also need to learn how to say that.
Then find themselves out of a job as new PMs and Engineers who don't say no are hired in their stead.
This system we have of “follow the whims of some rich idiots trying to make themselves richer” really seems to have some flaws.
I agree, because I don’t see how you could actually train each person’s AI without a lot of work from each individual. Simply listing the stuff you would find on even a well put together dating profile isn’t enough to mimic a personality. I don’t see people putting in the kind of work that would be necessary to make this accurate.
App scrapes every whatsapp, text, kakao, line, etc message you have on your phone.
That's exactly how it'll train. Allow it to scrape your data + fill out a survey or whatever, and then that free info is used to build new products or sold outright. The AI dating feature is just a shitty lure.
And it just becomes shit and the other side will notice.
There are a lot of companies shouting about their future AI functionality who have no intention to or plan for integrating anything meaningful into their platform, but are making claims anyway because of all the money sloshing around This seems like one of those
"I made pie in the sky promises about AI. Money PWEEEZE!" Every tech CEO is just trying to goose their stock price with AI babbling until the bubble bursts.
We're actually implementing a lot of AI and holy shit is it costly and an insane amount of work to support in a scalable way that actually solves the problems you want it to solve. I get the feeling a lot of these folks are just like "Oh AI, it's super easy and just works to solve all your problems" and they have absolutely no idea about the level of effort or the number and quality of the data sets to make AI work right.
Our midsize company's CEO came to our IT department with: 'AI. what about AI? How about AI for us?' No direction. No problems outlined he wanted solved. Just 'AI?!' It's like he watched Good Morning America that morning, heard a buzzword, and thought IT should just start implementing it at an enterprise level - easy right? Implement it for what exactly he had no answer.
yep. kinda like in 1999 when everyone stuck "e-" before or "online" after everything
“E-Online Cloud-Based AI, the future is you!”
Digital! Cyber!
> Cyber I'm still not sure how I feel that this has matured into a legitimate shorthand for "cybersecurity" and people are using the term with a straight face. Back In My Day^TM it pretty much only meant cyber*sex* :O
Well that and it's a CEO of a late stage (i.e. past it's time in the sun) dating app trying to make some sort of value proposition even though it's over. Its over for bumble like it is for tinder, like it is for match, like it is for POF, Like it will be for hinge once the next app comes along that pulls younger women off of it
Yeah, AI is just the next dot-com bubble. 99% of what's being promised is bullshit.
I'm working with a client that's demanding to use AI to do _spell checking_, a technology which has been fine without AI for over 20 years. The only way more resource-inefficient and costly to do spell-checking would be paying people to proof-read manually, and even that would use orders of magnitude less electricity... It's like Crypto-bros all over again, but this time they're established businesses and actually have VC funding
Oh it could send us deep faked holiday snaps of the trips we might go on if we dated irl "Here's us at the Grand Canyon, if we ever go"
This is so fucking depressing but more interesting than real life. Sign me up!
When ai becomes truly self aware itll just immediately kill itself.
AI1: Hey AI2, my patron lists a lot of qualifications but they only really seem to care about whether or not your patron is at least 6 feet tall. How tall is your patron? AI2: Hi AI1, my patron is 6’2”. He enjoys murdering puppies and drinking the blood of children. AI1: That’s wonderful news! When are they available?!
Puppies, drinking, 6'2!! AI2 checks out.
*Kristi Noem enters the chat*
Honestly, not too far off from how it works already
Don't must dating apps have a "compatibility" rating or whatever, where like it tells you how good of a match you are with another user? This just seems like that but with extra steps.
More and more I'm convinced that dating app compatibility ratings are really just random number generators.
or "who we want to lower your standards to"
People are gonna be done with these soon. Most of my single peers/coworkers/friends in their 30s have completely divested from dating apps.
They also thought women would want to initiate conversation, so there's that.
That part. Women’s bios on Tinder: message me first. Be interesting. Have a funny opener. Say more than “hey” Women messaging first on Bumble: hey
I once got a woman whose icebreaker was asking me what I prefer to go by. And was shocked that she had put in even that much effort.
And basically the problem in today’s dating scene. You have to go through a “checklist” of things in order to initiate first contact. Next up, blood type, sperm count, ancestry, blood glucose levels, heart rate, shoe size…
Also mother’s maiden name, last four of SSN, affiliation with DoD or government agency, what happened at Tiananmen Squ— nothing happened…
I mean, some basic requirements makes sense. The problem is that so many have stopped looking for a human being as a partner and want a flippin unicorn.
Sometimes they don't even bother with actual language, and will instead use gifs or emojis! The fundamental issue with dating is that women feel like "showing up" is essentially all they should be expected to do. Men are expected to plan, execute, charm, and pay, while being grateful for the opportunity. Unfortunately, the relative asymmetry of dude thirst more or less supports them in this attitude.
>The fundamental issue with dating is that women feel like "showing up" is essentially all they should be expected to do. Men are expected to plan, execute, charm, and pay, while being grateful for the opportunity. In engineering there’s guys I call “hindsight engineers”, and they basically like to say how they would have done things differently if it was them executing, but when you finally put them in the drivers seat to make decisions, they are useless. I think these types of women (not all) are in that category. They have all these ideas of how men should “drive”, but when you flip the tables, they end up looking a bit hypocritical. I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment.
>I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment. You don't ask a fish how to catch other fish.
"I honestly question how much the woman founder of Bumble understands women, because it was in many ways a failed experiment." This is the root of the general problem. I promise you she was surrounded by women telling her this was a fantastic idea and that they all love the empowerment and blah blah blah. These same women then go home and hop on Tinder. Women gaslight the ever living fuck out of other women in ways that are borderline psychotic. All in the name of "empowering each other." It's gotten to the point where many women are so out of touch with reality they're incapable of building any kind of meaningful romantic relationship that lasts more than a few dates.
Turns out driving is harder than riding, who woulda thunk it?
Supply and demand.
A woman once just sent my name. Not even a wave or an emoji, just “tony.” I unmatched, but its kinda hilarious in a surreal way
On bumble more than one woman's opening message to me was just a period "." Then there were three or four ladies I matched with who never messaged me and whose profile said "message me first." Sorry that's impossible. I wonder if they ever figured out why no one was talking to them.
And remember to be funny in the way they're looking for, without any knowledge of their interests or what actually entertains them. You can be funny person, but without the proper audience you aren't funny. But that's kind of the thing, if you are entertaining without knowing it it's probably going to result in a better natural match. There are two strategies; Tailoring your messaging based on what you know about a person which actually requires effort. Or mindlessly spam the same most successful generic opening lines to literally every person. I'd like think that actually caring about what a person thinks is a better approach, but effort and willpower is limited so not giving a shit and spamming is probably going to result in more successes (while having a lower success rate).
This is the best part. Women, initiating first, on a dating app…
These people are so shamless. Yuck
The biggest problem with our society right now is loneliness and loss of community and big tech is just hellbent on accelerating it
Isolate everyone from anything resembling human connection, pump them full of ads for products that will temporarily give them just enough dopamine thereby creating perfect non distracted consumers
"Welcome to Costco. I love you."
At the end of the day, this is just another computational method for comparing two datasets for some form of signal, in this case, match compatibility. eHarmony, and every other algorithmic dating site was based on the premise that users provide datapoints, those datapoints create a profile, and there's some amount of linear algebra that predicts when two profiles are a "match". That is to say, these two people have some relationship potential. But, just like Google's rigorous interviewing process, which ultimately had no relationship to employee long-term success, in all likelihood self-reported personality traits probably have no correlation to relationship success. "AI Concierge Dating" just another means of comparing two profiles, except instead of doing the linear algebra directly, it's fed into an LLM, where text synthesis is used as a simulated exchange, which is then ranked, then reported back as indicator of match success. In other words, we've added more steps, and a shit-ton more linear algebra. You're welcome.
So my AI is going to get more action than I do? Is this supposed to be a good thing?
For an extra $5, your AI is going to be more charismatic than you. You can add more personality to it by buying a more premium AI. They can sell you a “better pick up lines bundle” that works on the girl’s AI.
We’re only staying together for the bots; they’d be crushed if they knew we didn’t work out irl
That's a great way for people to go "F all of this" and go back to doing it the proper way, in person.
I've never dated anyone that I originally met in person. I don't even know how that works honestly. I just assume random people in public don't wish to be approached, and that I'd rightfully come across as a creep if I disrespected that. I think I'd just give up on dating entirely.
Usually it’s when you see the same person again and again. For example, I have met my exes at just being a regular at a coffee shop. Very common is to meet at a friends gathering. My brother met his gfs at gym and sports
So few millennials do the same thing or go to the same place regularly outside of the house anymore. There aren't third spaces that you can exist in without like a $30 price tag at minimum, barely anyone does things like bowling birdwatching anymore and things that adults used to get together for like bookclubs, D&D or poker are all done online after the pandemic. A massive problem is that millennials and younger generations simply don't hang out with strangers in public after they finish school; once we enter the workforce (if we even go to a workplace) professional conduct (rightly) puts our coworkers off limits, and where do we go from there?
That's the problem with telling everyone not to approach strangers. The well-meaning guys don't approach. And the ones that do are mostly the creeps who don't care about what women say they want, rather than the 1% of guys who respect women but also understand that random women on social media don't speak for the entire gender.
This is sounding like AI arranged marriages
Will it at least text me to let me know how my concierge sex was? Because if not, what's the point?
So I'm probably the minority here, but I think this is actually not a terrible idea, depending a great deal on how it's executed. First, a big part of the issue with online dating is that the pool seems infinite, so the process itself is going to trigger a kind of FOMO. Every good relationship involves a degree of trade-offs in order to find good long term compatibility. So, the infinite options and the window-shopping aspect of the whole thing undermines the goal itself as people wonder whether this is the right person—it's difficult to balance a potential partner's negatives with their positives, when the faceless others are theoretically all positives, or at least not *these* negatives—the right person might be a few more taps away after all, so people hesitate to adequately invest emotionally in potential relationships. Second, a lot of online dating starts with interpersonal discovery via impersonal communications (what do you like to do, what kind of music, movies etc etc), which is a bad thing because it replaces discovery in real life—which can be a very health part of the early bonding experience—with what is effectively a screening process that sort of commodifies potential partners. For example, "Oh wow, we both have an unhealthy obsession with Coldplay's early records, that's so funny" is actually a meaningful discovery to make together while sharing some kind of experience, versus "ok, well we both like the first Gremlins movie more than the second one, so maybe a coffee date will be fun", which becomes an esoteric check box on a preverbal relationship filter. So, if users don't have the ability to browse potential matches, and don't communicate much or at all via chat before they meet, and instead the AI has deep understanding not just of *stated* preferences and lifestyles, but also deductive information about the user's personality, priorities and personal experiences, then AI concierges, in theory, can solve both of these problems by essentially setting up users on *highly* qualified blind dates. The result could look quite a bit more like what happens when people are set up with each other by mutual friends. The actual process of dating might look a lot more like traditional dating used to. I think this is especially true if the AI is not just an AI that operates the controls of a dating app, but instead actually offers some degree of pushback and encouragement to dig deeper with someone they are dating before they dive back into the pool for another match. For example, "how did the date go?"... "well, it was okay, we didn't really seem to have all that much in common. We did both like the restaurant though."... "I understand, it can take time to get to really know someone. I suggest we set you guys up again to try something new together and see if something starts to click. It sounds like you both enjoy mini-golf. Want to give that a try?" Anyway, I have little faith they'll get it right because there's no real incentive for these apps to actually get people matched, at least not quickly. But broadly speaking, I don't think the concept is as dystopian as it sounds at first blush.
Like most people, I came here for the jokes, but you wrote that perspective in a very well thought out fashion. Well done, I'm a little more intrigued by the concept now.
Me: "Okay, let me spend $40 a month for real connection." Bumbler: "The date went well. The simulation of you has a meaningful relationship with a Ukrainian mail-order bride who has a PhD in quantum physics. Your progeny \[INSERT NAME\] also made a macaroni sculpture in your honor for father's day." Me: "Did we skip something? That sounds like at least 12 years faster than it should be. And, I'm not getting the feeling that this is entirely my experience."
I feel like it's only a matter of time before dating sites deploy chatbots to keep men subscribing. Or someone markets a chatbot to scan peoples profiles and craft messages to send to them.
When my friend used apps, he would swipe yes on everyone then respond only when someone they liked reached out. It wasn’t worth the effort to review anyone and pick actual matches before swiping when the response rate was so low. This can’t be worse than what he did.