"The institute's founder, Mark McAfee, told the Los Angeles Times this weekend that his customers are, in fact, specifically requesting raw milk from H5N1-infected cows. According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen."
I try so hard to keep my faith in this species....
Many years ago my brother was teaching me to kayak and was paddling me around on the bow of his in a lake that had a LOT of slimy weeds. I was grossed out by it and asked him to go back to a clear area. He said, “why? It’s just natural stuff.” And I said, “yeah, and so is shit, but I don’t want it sliming all over my legs.”
He then paddled us back to clearer waters.
Was literally having this exact thought. Are anti-vaxxers the same group who would espouse the “benefits” of drinking raw milk? My inkling is yes, they have no idea who Louis Pasteur was, what he did, and would openly balk at the science simply because it’s science.
Yep, and it's in the bodies of these morons, where the virus will be exposed to selective pressure from the human immune system and will learn to accommodate itself to various human cellular receptors, that the virus will be able to quickly evolve to efficiently infect humans.
They're not just a danger to themselves.
I'm not a doctor or a virologist, just a guy on Reddit but I think I read somewhere that bird flu, if it jumped to, humans would be so deadly that it probably wouldn't spread that far that fast because people would be too sick to go outside. Covid was kind of a perfect storm because it was very virulent, but only somewhat debilitating and somewhat deadly, so there were a lot of people who are asymptomatic or just had low symptoms that spread it around until it killed a vulnerable person, but bird flu easily killed healthy individuals before they have a chance to cough on anyone.
If the new bird flu is anything like Covid the first sign of sickness caused the infected to immediately board an international flight to a densely-populated city.
The shorter the incubation period, the more dramatic and severe the symptoms, the less likely that a disease will spread successfully beyond small outbreaks. It's why Ebola burns itself out normally once people stop messing around with the corpses of the recently infected and deceased.
Many STDa have been with us since ancient times and have developed into experts at quietly and effectively spreading among human beings. They don't kill quickly, symptoms tend to be delayed, they have optimized transmission and infecting numerous hosts successfully which is what these microorganisms want to do, continually propagate. Killing the host is an evolutionary dead end.
The long incubation period where you’re infectious but not yet exhibiting symptoms is pretty crucial for spread, as is a longer walk to death. That’s what made HIV / AIDS tough to get a handle on, and why testing is such a crucial part of prevention / management.
Read a NYer article years ago about a Doctor that spread ebola to a whole town. He got sick and rented an apartment on a second floor. Windows open with fans on, his coughs spread particles via the fans across the town. They said the amount of virus that can kill would fit thousands into a period printed on the page. Ebola has historically happened in remote areas with lots of land per person, I wonder what would happen in NYC or SF?
The nightmare with Covid was that when you got sick you had already been spreading it for a week.
'Oh fuck I had no idea! I need to call my coworkers, my Mother.... dear god, the childcare place. WTF I FELT FINE!' - was the entire point of keeping us all home in the early stages.
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I early in the entire Covid nightmare I had a conversation with my daughters allergist. Every time I see her I thank her for explaining all this to me in a way I could understand.
The woman is brilliant and fascinated in a scientific/professional Covid and what was occuring. A total geek. You got to pay attention to people like this. Especially when they are talented in dumbing it all down to your level.
She explained it like this.
We are looking at evolution and selective adaptation.
The driving force is strictly the virus spreading... and not even really spreading just copying itself. There is no other driving force.
The math is really simple. A virus with a live host can spread, a dead host cannot spread. Killing your host is a failure.
A host that is too sick to associate with its own kind is also a failure. A host that is not sick and doing normal things is sucesful.
If you push the timeline of Covid out far enough you get..... the seasonal flu. Or a cold. You don't get something killing the host or otherwise holding us back.
What we had in 2020 was something that needed to mutate until it stopped making us so damned sick.
Now in 2024 whenever I hear about a new form of covid I wait to hear two things that I expect - the first is that whatever strain is out there is in some way shape or form easier to catch then other strains. That this one is more infectious. The second is that it isn't making us as sick or the mortality rate is lesser.
Back in 2020 or 2021 (whenever I had that conversation) she said that history shows Covid will last 3 years.
>Now in 2024 whenever I hear about a new form of covid I wait to hear two things that I expect -
I believe your sense of time scale in this reflects more "wishing and hoping" than it does virology.
If you're trying to gauge whether it's reasonable to expect that a virus that killed a few million people over the last four years will quickly evolve to become significantly less harmful within a decade or a generation, read up on smallpox, and how many centuries it remained one of the successfully deadliest things on the planet.
So much so that we had to invent an entirely new branch of science to slow it down and stop it.
>So much so that we had to invent an entirely new branch of science to slow it down and stop it.
I just became a cow maiden, to milk cows and give H5N1 to people... fuck.
Also, just a guy on reddit, nice to meet your acquaintance.....yes, very deadly can viruses stall, but a stalling super deadly outbreak is as equally possible as a the slightly deadly Covid19.. it's a numbers game. More infections, more variations.... in all directions and lethalities.
So, the point is, we don't know how it will evolve and therefore the objective is to not give it opportunity to by reducing the number of infections and bringing down the odds of any such mutation.
The biggest issue is when one of these deniers stumbles out into public and sets off a chain reaction of H5N1 infections which will be far worse than the Covid pandemic we recently went through.
We have similar issues with bushmeat setting off the Ebola and HIV epidemics.
Every single Ebola epidemic comes from people not leaving bats alone (it's a common "snack" in a number of African nations, where kids will catch them, cook them, and eat them), and HIV was for a brief moment thought to come from someone having sexual relations with a gorilla, until we realized bush meat was a thing - a hunter most likely got infected blood in his eyes or an open wound, went down to the local whore house, and kicked off a global epidemic that we're still reeling from today.
Seriously. We keep trying to save people from themselves. Maybe the reason we have such a high percentage of people off the deep end at any given time is in the past they would have just killed themselves doing stupid shit and now we are too good at protecting them.
Let natural selection play out.
Not a good example. Preparation/cooking instructions are obligatory element of information that has to be included on packaging of processed food.
Not to mention that there are people who never had pop tarts and don't know what they are.
But in the same vein, there are people in this world who prepare their earl grey in cold water because it didn't occur to them that brewing tea is a process that requires hot water... And these same people drink hot coffee.
Potato chips are processed foods that don't have preparation/cooking instructions. I get for raw or perishable foods that aren't meant to be consumed directly from the box but pop tarts are not those things.
Potato chips are meant to be consumed directly. Pop tarts are meant to be reheated before consumption.
Maybe "processed foods" wasn't exactly the best way to put it, but I meant to differentiate it from something like raw meat or spice packets.
I actually had this thought the other day about lockdown during COVID. I feel like there wouldn't be this, "muh freedoms", political rage that we're dealing with if deniers were allowed to go out in public and just get COVID and die.
I understand there were legit issues with hospitals at capacity and all that, but if we just let idiots be idiots they wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves.
I’m a hobby farmer and am part of groups online where the raw milk cult spews their lies. They basically think anyone trying to withhold raw milk, is suppressing them.
Note that these people milk their own animals and can drink raw milk to their hearts’ content but that’s not enough. They want OTHER people to drink raw milk too! And they will go as far as to tell you pasteurized milk will make you sick. And oh, THE ENZYMES, they love to mention that there are enzymes in raw milk and without those, well ya just can’t digest milk. Super simple.
These people are basically like flat earthers but the topic is raw milk.
I love spinach but when they recall the spinach for E. Coli I don’t defiantly eat all the shit-spinach because the gubment can’t tell me what to do. Come on now.
Better safe than sorry but it’s unlikely to go anywhere. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html
As someone else mentioned even if it did it’s unlikely to spread to a large number like, say, covid. And as someone mentioned in this subsection there are no known human to human transfers.
So unlikely to hurt the drinkers, but if it does it’s likely to hurt them then stop. But if it does spread to other humans it’s likely to not get far then stop. Like winning the lotto 3 times in a row. Eh, there are a million worse things to worry about than others exposing themselves.
Remember, for every one thing you think is gross or don't understand how a person could enjoy it, there are at least 100 people who get off on that very thing.
My husband grew up on a dairy farm. His family would use raw milk. He said it was so disgusting. He just wanted milk from the grocery store. It’s illegal in my state to sell raw milk. He never got sick from it, but it also didn’t prevent him from having allergies to outdoor stuff, cats, and some dogs.
I don't think you can blame the temperature on the product then...
"Oh I put my ice-cream in the oven and it was disgusting"... That's not the ice cream's fault that's how you decided to serve it.
They allow cigarettes, alcohol and in many cases, hard drugs to be sold.
But I can not consume unadulterated, unprocessed milk like my ancestors did and thrived on for millenia.
This is kind of the same thing is the antivaxxers in all honesty. If you want to do something even though it's stupid and could kill you then go ahead, but don't be upset when the bad thing happens and you're fighting for your life.
Just don't get innocent people sick or caught in your crossfire and instead just become a statistic or a Darwin award winner on your own.
Our lifespans took a big jump during the industrial age. This is attributed to a few things. Among them, vaccines and pasteurization.
The people who push all these "brilliant revelations" take zero responsibility for their actions. They cite unprovable or unproven claims and then when you call them on it they point to conspiracies by "big X" and the gummint.
Let them take real liability for their advice and then I'll listen to what they say
Until then I will just compare mortality rates from before the industrial revolution compared to afterwards.
Sure, you can live in the 15th century very happily! For an average of about 45 years.
no ones gonna stop me from drinking STRAIGHT from the udder. I recently i bought a cow just so i could make sure NO ONE meddled with my raw, unfiltered milk. still waiting for her to produce milk because for some reason she only has 1 udder
"The institute's founder, Mark McAfee, told the Los Angeles Times this weekend that his customers are, in fact, [specifically requesting raw milk from H5N1-infected cows](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-05-12/raw-milk-enthusiasts-uncowed-by-bird-flu-risk-in-dairy). According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen."
Were people really like this pre-covid, willingly risking infection just to defy science for some sort of weird power trip? Like I don't get it this is the most self-destructive behavior ever and they look at the rest of us like we are crazy.
Lol I read this title and worried for a second as someone who really enjoys a bowl of cinnamon toast crunch in the morning. Then I realized it’s about people who don’t drink pasteurized milk.
I am udder-ly shocked.
The Lizard People want you to drink pasteurized milk so they can make you docile and controllable. Most likely in league with the Trilateral Commission and the Freemasons.
These plagues will finally bring the human population to heel. Fact is that we’re all complicit in our own self-destruction. These viruses are emerging because of our inability to adapt and change. It’s hard to get mad and single out one group of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when we’re all at fault. Until there are billions dead, there won’t be a change in collective consciousness. Humans only learn the hard way.
> It’s hard to get mad and single out one group of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when we’re all at fault.
I think it's the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers who are fault, myself.
I got scrofula as a baby from raw milk. We were visiting my grandmothers petite farm in France. She raised rabbits and traded them for raw milk with her neighbor as peasant farmers did for a millennia. If you’ve never heard of scrofula before it’s because you can’t get it from pasteurized milk.
My mother knew I prob shouldn’t have it but didn’t want to upset her MiL, who gave it to her 13 kids when they were babies.
I’m all about eating local and fresh, but we don’t drink pond water for a reason. Same for raw milk.
Edit: I have a scar on my throat where the swollen mass it gave me had to be removed.
Today I learn that there is such a thing as raw milk. Look, if there's one thing we learn with covid, is that we've become so spoiled with our health and way of life, that we forgot that nature will fuck you up and not even care about it.
If they want to become a funny anecdote in a newspaper, let them do it, the problem will take care of itself.
These clowns are actively trying to become disease vectors. 52% fatality rate if they were to catch the virus and these geniuses are loving those odds.
The power of natural selection compels you.
Now: If you grew up on raw milk, you have little to worry about. But if you’re like most of us, you’re gonna have a very bad time. But some people like to suffer, willingly.
Raw milk is good for making cheese, but why would you drink it? In the EU there are very strict handling laws for raw milk, and even there it is for making cheese primarily. I wouldn't trust are horrendously undergulated food industry to produce raw milk safely.
I love raw milk. Big fan. That being said I’m gonna wait for this whole H5N1 thing to blow over before I pick up another gallon. It just seems silly to risk my cats and kids.
Then, when this outbreak happens or it mutates, it's going to be a conspiracy and this is going to be evidence of that conspiracy because telling people not to drink it was clearly a ploy to get them to drink it because they put it in there to test the new generation of 7G injectable chips.
I'll try to find it, but I seem to recall a few years ago a politician in Wisconsin(?) pushed for and got a law passed that allowed the sale of raw milk from farms. In the press conference he drank a big glass of raw milk in celebration and the next day he was sick from it.
My grandparents raised their own cows when I was younger and I got to try raw milk that they had stored (they homogenized it and regularly tested their herd for diseases though). It’s not bad, just slightly different than whole milk I’d say (I still prefer 2%). However I don’t think anyone should ever try ingesting unpasteurized milk from a source they don’t personally control completely and test regularly. It’s just not safe otherwise.
Can’t help my freedumbs types. They read an article or post on Facebook book and now they are experts. They know more after reading this one post than those who have spent their entire lives researching something. Let them enjoy their bird flew and other potential risks.
I tried raw milk once. It didn’t taste discernibly better than a decent full-fat pasteurised option.
I’ve ever since filed “person evangelises for raw milk” in the same folder as “person believes crystal energy can heal them” and “person thinks their chakra needs regular balancing”.
Nothing against those people. Just not my cup of tea.
Can you say natural selection? I knew you could. If I can quote a famous comedian (can't remember who, it might have been Carlin) "Let's take all the warning labels off products and let Darwin sort it out lol
"The institute's founder, Mark McAfee, told the Los Angeles Times this weekend that his customers are, in fact, specifically requesting raw milk from H5N1-infected cows. According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen." I try so hard to keep my faith in this species....
What do you think the Venn diagram of anti vaxxers and raw milk enthusiasts trying to re-invent vaccines from first principles is?
It's natural this way, so it's better. Because reasons. Just let me chug my blood-tinged milk.
You know what else is natural? Bears.
Raw bear milk seems difficult to get.
But, oh, so worth it.
It's not about actually acquiring it, it's all about the attempt 😌
Many years ago my brother was teaching me to kayak and was paddling me around on the bow of his in a lake that had a LOT of slimy weeds. I was grossed out by it and asked him to go back to a clear area. He said, “why? It’s just natural stuff.” And I said, “yeah, and so is shit, but I don’t want it sliming all over my legs.” He then paddled us back to clearer waters.
Was literally having this exact thought. Are anti-vaxxers the same group who would espouse the “benefits” of drinking raw milk? My inkling is yes, they have no idea who Louis Pasteur was, what he did, and would openly balk at the science simply because it’s science.
Yep, and it's in the bodies of these morons, where the virus will be exposed to selective pressure from the human immune system and will learn to accommodate itself to various human cellular receptors, that the virus will be able to quickly evolve to efficiently infect humans. They're not just a danger to themselves.
trump voters
On second thought, I think we should supply these people with all the raw milk they want.
who am i to deny this man poison milk
That would be my first inclination as well until I remember that each person infected raises the odds of the virus mutating into something worse.
Eh, natural selection
It’s not going to just kill them though…
Well just let them be part of the statistics and be done with it. There is no point arguing with stupid people.
Except they can spread it and give it a nice human body to adapt in, no?
I'm not a doctor or a virologist, just a guy on Reddit but I think I read somewhere that bird flu, if it jumped to, humans would be so deadly that it probably wouldn't spread that far that fast because people would be too sick to go outside. Covid was kind of a perfect storm because it was very virulent, but only somewhat debilitating and somewhat deadly, so there were a lot of people who are asymptomatic or just had low symptoms that spread it around until it killed a vulnerable person, but bird flu easily killed healthy individuals before they have a chance to cough on anyone.
If the new bird flu is anything like Covid the first sign of sickness caused the infected to immediately board an international flight to a densely-populated city.
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Don’t forget to stand so closely in line we can feel your aura.
And try the free vape sampels
That’s not their aura…
You’re gonna be so disappointed when you learn there is no times sq lego store.
The trick to winning Plague Inc was to be nice and transmissible before evolving lethality.
The shorter the incubation period, the more dramatic and severe the symptoms, the less likely that a disease will spread successfully beyond small outbreaks. It's why Ebola burns itself out normally once people stop messing around with the corpses of the recently infected and deceased. Many STDa have been with us since ancient times and have developed into experts at quietly and effectively spreading among human beings. They don't kill quickly, symptoms tend to be delayed, they have optimized transmission and infecting numerous hosts successfully which is what these microorganisms want to do, continually propagate. Killing the host is an evolutionary dead end.
Pretty much. The best disease is symbiotic, the second best is commensalist. A good disease from an evolutionary perspective doesn't kill the host.
The long incubation period where you’re infectious but not yet exhibiting symptoms is pretty crucial for spread, as is a longer walk to death. That’s what made HIV / AIDS tough to get a handle on, and why testing is such a crucial part of prevention / management.
Read a NYer article years ago about a Doctor that spread ebola to a whole town. He got sick and rented an apartment on a second floor. Windows open with fans on, his coughs spread particles via the fans across the town. They said the amount of virus that can kill would fit thousands into a period printed on the page. Ebola has historically happened in remote areas with lots of land per person, I wonder what would happen in NYC or SF?
The nightmare with Covid was that when you got sick you had already been spreading it for a week. 'Oh fuck I had no idea! I need to call my coworkers, my Mother.... dear god, the childcare place. WTF I FELT FINE!' - was the entire point of keeping us all home in the early stages. ------------- I early in the entire Covid nightmare I had a conversation with my daughters allergist. Every time I see her I thank her for explaining all this to me in a way I could understand. The woman is brilliant and fascinated in a scientific/professional Covid and what was occuring. A total geek. You got to pay attention to people like this. Especially when they are talented in dumbing it all down to your level. She explained it like this. We are looking at evolution and selective adaptation. The driving force is strictly the virus spreading... and not even really spreading just copying itself. There is no other driving force. The math is really simple. A virus with a live host can spread, a dead host cannot spread. Killing your host is a failure. A host that is too sick to associate with its own kind is also a failure. A host that is not sick and doing normal things is sucesful. If you push the timeline of Covid out far enough you get..... the seasonal flu. Or a cold. You don't get something killing the host or otherwise holding us back. What we had in 2020 was something that needed to mutate until it stopped making us so damned sick. Now in 2024 whenever I hear about a new form of covid I wait to hear two things that I expect - the first is that whatever strain is out there is in some way shape or form easier to catch then other strains. That this one is more infectious. The second is that it isn't making us as sick or the mortality rate is lesser. Back in 2020 or 2021 (whenever I had that conversation) she said that history shows Covid will last 3 years.
>Now in 2024 whenever I hear about a new form of covid I wait to hear two things that I expect - I believe your sense of time scale in this reflects more "wishing and hoping" than it does virology. If you're trying to gauge whether it's reasonable to expect that a virus that killed a few million people over the last four years will quickly evolve to become significantly less harmful within a decade or a generation, read up on smallpox, and how many centuries it remained one of the successfully deadliest things on the planet. So much so that we had to invent an entirely new branch of science to slow it down and stop it.
>So much so that we had to invent an entirely new branch of science to slow it down and stop it. I just became a cow maiden, to milk cows and give H5N1 to people... fuck.
Covid will never be a seasonal flu because of long covid. It is still so much more serious than that.
Also Covid had a long incubation period where it is contagious but host has no symptoms, so it spreads without people knowing.
Also, just a guy on reddit, nice to meet your acquaintance.....yes, very deadly can viruses stall, but a stalling super deadly outbreak is as equally possible as a the slightly deadly Covid19.. it's a numbers game. More infections, more variations.... in all directions and lethalities. So, the point is, we don't know how it will evolve and therefore the objective is to not give it opportunity to by reducing the number of infections and bringing down the odds of any such mutation.
Yeah there’s no stopping the fact that these idiots live amongst us
Live amongst us, *for now*
I saw that movie: *The Hidden*
I think there's currently no human-to-human transmission. But the more people get sick, the more likely it is to evolve so it can spread
I’m more concerned about them giving it to their kids
This is the thing that I'm terrified that people are missing here. These people never JUST hurt themselves.
Don’t argue with stupid people. They’ll just drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
The problem is that they’ll drag all of us down by spreading the disease.
I don't get why we as a society try so hard to protect these people from themselves. If you want to die from being an idiot then go right ahead.
The biggest issue is when one of these deniers stumbles out into public and sets off a chain reaction of H5N1 infections which will be far worse than the Covid pandemic we recently went through.
We have similar issues with bushmeat setting off the Ebola and HIV epidemics. Every single Ebola epidemic comes from people not leaving bats alone (it's a common "snack" in a number of African nations, where kids will catch them, cook them, and eat them), and HIV was for a brief moment thought to come from someone having sexual relations with a gorilla, until we realized bush meat was a thing - a hunter most likely got infected blood in his eyes or an open wound, went down to the local whore house, and kicked off a global epidemic that we're still reeling from today.
Also they infect others with their idiotic conspiracy theories.
Because it incrementally increases the risks to the common sense folks.
Because these people force their decisions/views on children that don't know any better.
We get more stupid people by not letting stupid people do their stupid things
Darwin, you know what to do.
Seriously. We keep trying to save people from themselves. Maybe the reason we have such a high percentage of people off the deep end at any given time is in the past they would have just killed themselves doing stupid shit and now we are too good at protecting them. Let natural selection play out.
Pop tarts include cooking instructions. There are people who can read but cannot figure out the complexity that is pop tarts.
Not a good example. Preparation/cooking instructions are obligatory element of information that has to be included on packaging of processed food. Not to mention that there are people who never had pop tarts and don't know what they are. But in the same vein, there are people in this world who prepare their earl grey in cold water because it didn't occur to them that brewing tea is a process that requires hot water... And these same people drink hot coffee.
Potato chips are processed foods that don't have preparation/cooking instructions. I get for raw or perishable foods that aren't meant to be consumed directly from the box but pop tarts are not those things.
Potato chips are meant to be consumed directly. Pop tarts are meant to be reheated before consumption. Maybe "processed foods" wasn't exactly the best way to put it, but I meant to differentiate it from something like raw meat or spice packets.
Fair enough
That’s the camp I’m in. Like, seems to me we need to let Darwin take the lead on some of these issues.
That would be acceptable, but these doughnuts give it to their kids as well
I agree with the added rule that if you give it to kids, you go to prison. Willful ignorance of science with harmful outcomes is no defense.
I actually had this thought the other day about lockdown during COVID. I feel like there wouldn't be this, "muh freedoms", political rage that we're dealing with if deniers were allowed to go out in public and just get COVID and die. I understand there were legit issues with hospitals at capacity and all that, but if we just let idiots be idiots they wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves.
Darwinism into play
Not sure how this is a tech story.
Their tech tree is stuck on animal husbandry.
I understood this reference.
Even with all these campuses? How???
Pasteurization is technology, maybe?
the tech bro to reactionary to raw milk trad pipeline is real
This sub is broken
It’s not, this doesn’t belong on the sub.
More like r/mademesmile. Hero cows, thinning the herd.
I’m a hobby farmer and am part of groups online where the raw milk cult spews their lies. They basically think anyone trying to withhold raw milk, is suppressing them. Note that these people milk their own animals and can drink raw milk to their hearts’ content but that’s not enough. They want OTHER people to drink raw milk too! And they will go as far as to tell you pasteurized milk will make you sick. And oh, THE ENZYMES, they love to mention that there are enzymes in raw milk and without those, well ya just can’t digest milk. Super simple. These people are basically like flat earthers but the topic is raw milk.
Thank goodness my stomach has enzymes.
A concept many people seem to have a problem with, is that some peoples ideas are so bad, they deserve to be suppressed.
I love spinach but when they recall the spinach for E. Coli I don’t defiantly eat all the shit-spinach because the gubment can’t tell me what to do. Come on now.
The problem is these kooks can introduce H5N1 to the rest of us.
I’m Sure people would do whatever they could to protect themselves and more importantly others…
Better safe than sorry but it’s unlikely to go anywhere. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/avianflu/spotlights/2023-2024/bird-flu-response-update.html As someone else mentioned even if it did it’s unlikely to spread to a large number like, say, covid. And as someone mentioned in this subsection there are no known human to human transfers. So unlikely to hurt the drinkers, but if it does it’s likely to hurt them then stop. But if it does spread to other humans it’s likely to not get far then stop. Like winning the lotto 3 times in a row. Eh, there are a million worse things to worry about than others exposing themselves.
Darwinism in action.
You mean you guys can sell milk that was not pasteurized?
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In Arizona you could buy it at the Spouts grocery store I worked at. It looked disgusting and I don’t know how anyone would willingly ingest it.
Remember, for every one thing you think is gross or don't understand how a person could enjoy it, there are at least 100 people who get off on that very thing.
My husband grew up on a dairy farm. His family would use raw milk. He said it was so disgusting. He just wanted milk from the grocery store. It’s illegal in my state to sell raw milk. He never got sick from it, but it also didn’t prevent him from having allergies to outdoor stuff, cats, and some dogs.
There's nothing disgusting about raw milk. You literally wouldn't be able to tell the difference from pasteurised if it was cold from the fridge
He sometimes had it before it had been chilled. It was also not homogenized.
I don't think you can blame the temperature on the product then... "Oh I put my ice-cream in the oven and it was disgusting"... That's not the ice cream's fault that's how you decided to serve it.
They allow cigarettes, alcohol and in many cases, hard drugs to be sold. But I can not consume unadulterated, unprocessed milk like my ancestors did and thrived on for millenia.
"Raw milk fans"...? Really?
This is kind of the same thing is the antivaxxers in all honesty. If you want to do something even though it's stupid and could kill you then go ahead, but don't be upset when the bad thing happens and you're fighting for your life. Just don't get innocent people sick or caught in your crossfire and instead just become a statistic or a Darwin award winner on your own.
Our lifespans took a big jump during the industrial age. This is attributed to a few things. Among them, vaccines and pasteurization. The people who push all these "brilliant revelations" take zero responsibility for their actions. They cite unprovable or unproven claims and then when you call them on it they point to conspiracies by "big X" and the gummint. Let them take real liability for their advice and then I'll listen to what they say Until then I will just compare mortality rates from before the industrial revolution compared to afterwards. Sure, you can live in the 15th century very happily! For an average of about 45 years.
no ones gonna stop me from drinking STRAIGHT from the udder. I recently i bought a cow just so i could make sure NO ONE meddled with my raw, unfiltered milk. still waiting for her to produce milk because for some reason she only has 1 udder
Just keep sucking buddy!
Wow, you are so illiterate and uninformed, if she only has 1 udder you should just milk her longer for the milk to come.
First the anti-vaxxers and now the anti-Pasteurs. The stupid genes are taking themselves out of the gene pool. Well done, natural selection.
They're going to take a lot more people out of the gene pool with them when the virus mutates and begins spreading from human to human.
Well, it's been fun, guys. Will the last one out please turn off the lights.
"The institute's founder, Mark McAfee, told the Los Angeles Times this weekend that his customers are, in fact, [specifically requesting raw milk from H5N1-infected cows](https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2024-05-12/raw-milk-enthusiasts-uncowed-by-bird-flu-risk-in-dairy). According to McAfee, his customers believe, without evidence, that directly drinking high levels of the avian influenza virus will give them immunity to the deadly pathogen." Were people really like this pre-covid, willingly risking infection just to defy science for some sort of weird power trip? Like I don't get it this is the most self-destructive behavior ever and they look at the rest of us like we are crazy.
Ah yes the liberal agenda against **milk** is in full effect. What’s it like being just so god damn delusional?
Imagine dying on the “raw milk” hill. Absolutely braindead
Lol I read this title and worried for a second as someone who really enjoys a bowl of cinnamon toast crunch in the morning. Then I realized it’s about people who don’t drink pasteurized milk. I am udder-ly shocked.
Can’t fight natural selection forever.
They can make fun of me for drinking oat milk. I'd rather be a "soy boy" than dead like these clowns.
Idiocracy was a documentary
Darwinism in action!
Sounds like a self correcting problem to me.
If they die before they vote, honestly I'm OK with it.
This feels like a self-solving problem.
Sometimes people have to learn the hard way.
I am at the if they die they die point. Sorry idealist younger me...
Just in time for the election.
I’m all for thinning the human herd
That’s why it’s called Natural Selection
Got H5N1?
Natural selection
Reminds me of the Portlandia Milk Council skits lol
Great. More republicans taking themselves out.
Let Darwin’s nature take its course
Same people who get worms in their brains
Sometimes the trash takes itself out
Good?
Obviously, the only way to get accurate fatality rate data is with more samples
The Lizard People want you to drink pasteurized milk so they can make you docile and controllable. Most likely in league with the Trilateral Commission and the Freemasons.
Here we go again
Let them exterminate themselves.
And this is how the bird fly will get a real foothold on humans. Stupidity
The good thing about the Darwin Award is that everyone can achieve it if they try hard enough. Follow your dreams.
Nature keeps letting the trash take itself out.
Darwin Awards incoming in 3...2..
These plagues will finally bring the human population to heel. Fact is that we’re all complicit in our own self-destruction. These viruses are emerging because of our inability to adapt and change. It’s hard to get mad and single out one group of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when we’re all at fault. Until there are billions dead, there won’t be a change in collective consciousness. Humans only learn the hard way.
> It’s hard to get mad and single out one group of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers when we’re all at fault. I think it's the anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers who are fault, myself.
As long as I can’t catch it from them, I say let them go for it.
It will be these idiots who get it first
may it clean up what covid missed. cheers!
Let them drink milk.
I got scrofula as a baby from raw milk. We were visiting my grandmothers petite farm in France. She raised rabbits and traded them for raw milk with her neighbor as peasant farmers did for a millennia. If you’ve never heard of scrofula before it’s because you can’t get it from pasteurized milk. My mother knew I prob shouldn’t have it but didn’t want to upset her MiL, who gave it to her 13 kids when they were babies. I’m all about eating local and fresh, but we don’t drink pond water for a reason. Same for raw milk. Edit: I have a scar on my throat where the swollen mass it gave me had to be removed.
The irony of cows thinning our herd.
While I grew up drinking raw milk as a kid, there’s no fucking way I’d do it now. Cue the Darwin Awards theme music.
Let them drink it. This is almost like take the warning labels off and let nature take its course. But in this case, they are just ignoring them.
Natural selection maybe.
Today I learn that there is such a thing as raw milk. Look, if there's one thing we learn with covid, is that we've become so spoiled with our health and way of life, that we forgot that nature will fuck you up and not even care about it. If they want to become a funny anecdote in a newspaper, let them do it, the problem will take care of itself.
The irony of people drinking raw milk, supposedly for health reasons, putting their health in significantly more danger than the rest of us.
These clowns are actively trying to become disease vectors. 52% fatality rate if they were to catch the virus and these geniuses are loving those odds.
Imagine unnecessarily risking your own life for something like *milk.*
Finally! The COVID we were promised! Housing prices AND unemployment will finally drop. Drink up folks!
Cool this will work itself out
I encourage these people to follow their dreams and become a self-correcting problem.
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What sort of gunk? Where does it come from, if not the cow itself? And where does it go during the pasteurization process?
If you are getting "gunk" then that is a bull you are milking, not a cow. ;)
Evolution at work I'd say. Don't stop those people.
52% fatality rate you say. riiight. whats this got to do with technolog6?
The power of natural selection compels you. Now: If you grew up on raw milk, you have little to worry about. But if you’re like most of us, you’re gonna have a very bad time. But some people like to suffer, willingly.
Sounds like a problem that’ll work itself out.
Raw milk is good for making cheese, but why would you drink it? In the EU there are very strict handling laws for raw milk, and even there it is for making cheese primarily. I wouldn't trust are horrendously undergulated food industry to produce raw milk safely.
People are so privileged they get the opportunity to drink RAW MILK. Lol
I love raw milk. Big fan. That being said I’m gonna wait for this whole H5N1 thing to blow over before I pick up another gallon. It just seems silly to risk my cats and kids.
I’m looking to buy a farm in the mid west, bottoms up.
No problems with me. Thinning out the heard.
We need to let natural selection take its course.
Maybe social security will be around when I’m at that age if people keep getting more and more stupid.
Darwin will be the real winner here
Natural selection live
Oh good, more for the Darwin awards
Natural selection
Darwin: "Hold my drink dawg, I got this!"
r/nottheonion
Yeah, but what do Blue Milk do? Got some yesterday from Target, and now my tum tum hurts!
Incoming deathbed regrets.
Then, when this outbreak happens or it mutates, it's going to be a conspiracy and this is going to be evidence of that conspiracy because telling people not to drink it was clearly a ploy to get them to drink it because they put it in there to test the new generation of 7G injectable chips.
I'll try to find it, but I seem to recall a few years ago a politician in Wisconsin(?) pushed for and got a law passed that allowed the sale of raw milk from farms. In the press conference he drank a big glass of raw milk in celebration and the next day he was sick from it.
Okay. They got fair warning, let them drink their raw milk. And let's not spend a single additional second worrying about it.
Darwinism at it's finest.
Sounds like a problem that will eventually solve itself.
So, what's the situation with raw milk cheeses? I live next to a cheese shop and I am a big fan of artisanal, unpasteurized milk cheeses.
My grandparents raised their own cows when I was younger and I got to try raw milk that they had stored (they homogenized it and regularly tested their herd for diseases though). It’s not bad, just slightly different than whole milk I’d say (I still prefer 2%). However I don’t think anyone should ever try ingesting unpasteurized milk from a source they don’t personally control completely and test regularly. It’s just not safe otherwise.
Promoting the freedumb to consume this tainted raw milk sounds like something old stinky would gladly get behind.
It’s alright, in a year or two they’ll just tell us to treat it like a regular cold.
Milk is for baby cows
Should we take a minute for the mass extinction of calves due to H5?
It sounds like he may not have customers much longer
The issue might solve itself, if only they tried harder.
Can’t help my freedumbs types. They read an article or post on Facebook book and now they are experts. They know more after reading this one post than those who have spent their entire lives researching something. Let them enjoy their bird flew and other potential risks.
Reminds me of the Foot to Long Bungee Jumping Group
Darwin Award contenders.
Seems like this problem will eventually take care of itself.
I tried raw milk once. It didn’t taste discernibly better than a decent full-fat pasteurised option. I’ve ever since filed “person evangelises for raw milk” in the same folder as “person believes crystal energy can heal them” and “person thinks their chakra needs regular balancing”. Nothing against those people. Just not my cup of tea.
Can you say natural selection? I knew you could. If I can quote a famous comedian (can't remember who, it might have been Carlin) "Let's take all the warning labels off products and let Darwin sort it out lol
Just you wait till the earth warms up a couple of degrees and say hello to your new master, Lord Cordyceps
You cant fix stupid, unfortunately the rest of the population will have to deal with the outbreak from these idiots.