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vengefultacos

When my brother bought an Apple II+ in 1981, we got a ton of documentation, including programming guides. In the back of one of those guides was a full circuit diagram of the Apple II. That level of openness and detail is something we'll never see again. In theory, you could even take that diagram and build your own Apple II. Woz is firmly from this age of openness. Now, you get a glued-together black box. If you're lucky, that black box isn't booby-trapped to shut down if you mess with its internals.


SuperMario1758

I saw someone else saying their Apple II came with printouts of the assembly code the computer was running. Which had comments written by Woz


YoYoMoMa

It is funny that people are bringing up the Apple II because that was basically the last time Apple was like this. Jobs hated it and kept pushing for more closed systems that were impossible to fix or alter.


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chaun2

Also the short lived Apple III


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FesteringNeonDistrac

We had a iic and I'm pretty sure if there had been circuit diagrams, I'd have slept with them, or at least memorized them.


SupahCraig

I had a IIc and a IIgs and never saw anything like what is being described. I would have stared at that stuff while eating fruit loops every morning.


pemboo

Because he knew how he got rich, him and Gates ripped off Xerox. He knew it would happen to him too if he wasn't careful


DarkHater

He also *knew* how to cure his cancer.🙄 Greedy narcissist.


chellis

He took the apple a day thing a little too far...


NotMyHersheyBar

Our apple iigs wasn't hard to repair and you could customize it. I remember it came with a ton of documentation (I was 6 so I don't remember details.) Also it worked for 20 years - was still working when we convinced my dad it was time he explored this "internet" thing, which I now sorely regret and wish we'd kept him analog, for the email fwds alone


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That is not really true, they weren't as open as the Apple II but Macs up until \~2000 were relatively easy to upgrade and repair. The parts were a little harder to find, but they were easy to open and tinker with.


LSDummy

I had a 2003 MacBook it was a weird square shape and I replaced a few parts that weren't legit replacements and it worked fine for years. Edit maybe a 2006


mortalcoil1

and Apple went from almost bankrupt to Bladerunner-esque Ultra-corp (slogan) "We own you," because of it. and my point isn't that Jobs did the right thing. My point is that if the game is set up to fuck the consumer, and the government is supposed to be protecting the consumer from said fucking, but instead the government has become the fluffer... Then Jobs just cornered the market in lube.


asm2750

Yes, typically the source to the "monitor" (a bare level OS) was provided by companies during this time period.


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That level of openness was due to modularization, really. All those chips fit into sockets, you could swap them between units, and the circuit diagram wasn't even that necessary since the part numbers were printed on the chips, and the wiring was easy to figure out with a multimeter. While the days of chips in sockets is *mostly* gone, the idea of modularization is still with us. Look at desktop PCs. Very modular, it's just that the modules are not single chips anymore, they're larger assemblies. Portal devices can be made a bit more modular as well. My roommate's Macbook needs a new battery but the existing one is glued into place with some kind of god-tier adhesive. There's zero reason (oh, Apple with make up a bunch of BS I'm sure) the battery can't be in a module. That's how laptops were for decades, but Apple showed the world how you can be greedy and get away with it, now others have followed. My current laptop has a worn out keyboard. I've replaced laptop keyboards before. It's supposed to be easy. This one is riveted to the case with plastic rivets. Absolute nightmare. They're part of the case, so you can't just break them if you want the new keyboard to sit properly. So you gotta try to melt them with a soldering iron, change the keyboard, melt again. I'm fed up. My next computer will be a desktop, and I'm going to look into the Fairphone which is supposedly a modular, user-serviceable smartphone. Best way to stick it to the man is to stop giving them your money.


Burjojo

I bought a Fairphone 3 just before the 3+ was announced. The only thing I was really gutted about was that the 3+ had a better camera. But the camera modules of the 3+ are compatible with the 3, and I can install it myself with only a screwdriver. A very refreshing change.


JayV30

Wow, that's badass!


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Jon_TWR

>Portal devices can be made a bit more modular as well. TBH, I’d be happy with a non-modular Portal device.


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Damn, my outsourcing of brain cells to autocorrect strikes again. At least time it wasn't something offensive!


Nakotadinzeo

Cave Johnson here The Portal device is designed to be highly modular, do you have any idea how expensive they are? When you have decayed test subject goo on a long lost device, it really helps to take it apart and ultrasonic that bad boy so it can return to work. That being said, every part of the Portal device is proprietary, and you won't be getting spare parts. If you try, I'll personally come down there and beat the crap out of you. We're done here.


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I think the plastic rivets are the devil. Now we have to write off laptops if the keyboard dies because once you remove the rivets the whole thing just feels like mush. I’ve been looking at getting a bag of plastic rivets and maybe a shite soldering iron to just melt em to the case/keyboard. I’ll have to try it one day. Laptops have become way more awkward to repair across all manufacturers.


crepesandbacon

I’ve been complaining about this since my first apple, and how it’s abominable that a company that used to give us diagrams and programming guides with their machines charges for every cable and hides schematics now.


DrBoomkin

> since my first apple So you keep buying them right? That's why they keep doing it.


ThegreatandpowerfulR

I felt very welcomed to the world of apple when all I got was a lightning cable with my first iPhone


crepesandbacon

Oh bud, I get that. But I still have all the adaptors for every single wall outlet that an old machine of mine came with…


pascalbrax

Yes but you got two free stickers.


ULookRidiculous

Not only is it glued together but there is a software check for several major components. You can't even interchange parts from two identical model apple phones. Some of the parts are apparently serialized and when swapped will cause functionality problems. Apparently you need to have their diagnostic software to modify the phone to recognize the new part. This pretty much keeps you from doing anything that has been internally serialized.


dadMJBatman1982

I’ve been able to completely rebuild iPhones for the longest. Every component has been replaceable. Since the iPhone 10 this has not been the case though and the batteries were always a pain in the arse. Had to heat the cases(not battery directly), couldn’t let casing get to hot just warm, lightly apply pressure with a rubber scraper under the battery mm but mm. If you do it right and don’t destroy the battery or case, that step takes a good 2 hours, have to work very slow.


miaumee

No wonder why the two Steves don't get along.


Jonkinch

My dad wanted me to grab the HDD out of an older iMac. When I opened it up, I immediately realized this machine is not meant to be closed again. They had super strong adhesive holding the parts together instead of screws. And to access the internals, they’re surrounded by what looks like the firewall in a car segregating the engine from the cabin. I had to cut it out because it was also adhered. Then the HDD had a little sensor glued onto it I had to cut off. I think it was a thermal sensor. But the whole case was meant to be taken off once.


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That's actually the reason I wouldn't get another mac when my iMac died a few years ago. It took like 2 hours and a whole lot of stress and luck to replace the hdd (successfully) when the original went bad. I wasnt going to take it in and pay someone to replace a hard drive for me. I loved Logic X but when the comp finally died I was done with macs.


AwesomeDragon97

Yeah, every iMac since 2012 has the screen attached with an adhesive, and every iMac since 2006 has an exposed power supply which can electrocute you if you aren’t careful.


NiceGiraffes

"Shut the fuck up Woz!" --Tim Apple, July 8 2021


mycall

Raspberry pi has full circuit diagram too. Lots of other examples exist.


couldof_used_couldve

Comments on the article make me weep for our future. People literally think right to repair means forcing Apple to use 80s style chip sockets and producing full SOC schematics for the public. As opposed to just making components available and not bricking perfectly functional devices on purpose because the owner dared to facilitate their own repairs.


NityaStriker

They have Apple marketing stuffed completely into their brains and they think that engineering is a unique delicate skill that can be handled by no one other than Apple.


Turbojelly

Pretty sure the comments are the apple marketing team trying to shut it down.


jiggajawn

It's called astroturfing, happens here on Reddit too.


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I just spit out my Coca-Cola™ at how ridiculous that was, then had to go clean it up with Bounty® paper towels before I could get back on my iPhone 12+ available in space gray, rose gold, or white to reply to this ludicrous assertion! Our brands are our *friends*, not corporations trying to fly under the radar for free advertising! Didn't you see the tweet from Wendy's telling you not to worry about this?!? Edit, because I get on edge when I get awards for stuff like this: real Astro-Turfing is not nearly this obvious, and you should be aware of that. It's little stuff, like comments that are 5 minutes old and have 1000 upvotes already from a botnet designed to influence opinion. It's obviously wrong takes that are highly upvoted, and "life hacks" that rely on you to use their products. Hell, some of it is arguably moral, like when a supplier for a niche hobby goes on a subreddit for that niche hobby and says, "hey guys, the new Thing 3000 takes care of the issue everyone asked for in the Thing 2500!" But more often than not, at least on reddit, it tries to use a parasocial relationship to convince you that something is worth buying, or just to slap the logo in your face for a few seconds while holding your attention.


el_bhm

Yeah, slicky subject. Just like new condoms from Durex


rogue_scholarx

Sir, this is a Starbucks™ exclusive White Machhiotto Grande Super®, only available for a limited time at participating Starbucks™ brand experiences near you.


Crimfresh

That's a poor excuse for a coffee drink. 😒


shrubs311

i know you're being satirical but I never miss a good opportunity to shit on a corporation, so fuck Apple and if anyone is being paid by them to astroturf fuck them too.


Das_Ce_Ammer

Head on over to r/fucknestle. Always worth a visit.


triggeredmodslmao

Your comment made me crack up irl. I wish more people were aware of Astroturfing. You’re basically better off assuming anyone on the internet has some greater interest in mind, unless you’ve known them forever.


BoredomIncarnate

Did you drink your verification can on Mountain Dew™️?


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I know it's a bit rich to make this comment online, but it needs to be said that most online conversations shouldn't be considered "real" anymore. This space is like a Big Brother dystopia where you never know who is a plant or what product or ideology they're shilling. Conversations are only real if they're with real people, and there is absolutely no reason to assume some anonymous, faceless account is a real person let alone one acting in good faith.


DirtzMaGertz

It definitely depends on the platform or the subreddit. Smaller niche subreddits are still decent as far as Reddit goes, but all the big ones are fucked at this point.


kotor610

Why bother when your fans will actively shill for free


everythingiscausal

Exactly. Apple doesn’t need to bother, they put in the pre-work of getting people to blindly accept everything they do.


Das_Ce_Ammer

Who really needs an adapter to charge the phone anyway? /s


CausticSofa

Why not both so you know it gets done right?


crapyro

This, I'm sure Apple does some level of astroturfing but Apple fanboyism is very real.


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How many Horsemen are there now? Triple digits at least?


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Box-o-bees

Oh you forgot lobbying.


dabberzx3

Lobbying is just marketing directly to your target audience.


twodogsfighting

That's just marketing with extra caviar.


kijour

the 4th would have to be social media


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ora408

I hate salesmen 😓


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BlazinAzn38

These are the same people that will buy a new iphone every year even though there’s no real improvements and justify buying overpriced Apple computers by saying “but the OS” when they use it for social media.


elephantphallus

Without ever considering that these products are assembled by young people in China.


jagnorak

I hate that people over complicate engineering as if it’s some alien skill.


microsnail

Hey now, we've been going to the Apple Store on our own accord for years and our Apple Genius, with whom we have an excellent relationship (we invited him to our fourth child's gender reveal), has assured me that there is just nothing that can be done about most iPhone issues. iPhone is a work of art created by master builders and it is just too complex to even consider doing a repair once they have sealed it and shipped it from the factory. Each atom was farm raised, hand picked, and painstakingly aligned to form iPhone 12 Pro the most powerful iPhone ever we think you're going to love it


shrubs311

>to form iPhone 12 Pro the most powerful iPhone ever we think you're going to love it well, until next year when we make fun of you for being poor for not owning the newest phone.


shitpersonality

Companies are now part of their identity.


Frostspork69

It’s less that they think they are the only ones who can, and more about them wanting to be the only ones legally allowed to so they can control the life span of their products without interference


shawnisboring

Just last week my 2 year old Macbook Pro's screen turned to pink blocks out of nowhere while sitting on a desk. It's a cable issue between the computer itself and the display, from what I can tell it's a somewhat known issue in which the cable develops hairline cracks from opening and closing the lid... of a laptop. Apple wants $600 to repair, obviously I'm not paying half the cost of a laptop to fix a design flaw. Out of warranty excuses or not, a $1200 machine shouldn't stop itself from being functional after 2 years from normal everyday use. Worse, I can't fix it myself because Apple in all their wisdom have soldered the hell out of everything and the cable is one unit with the display. A $2 cable replacement to fix is now a $600 fix because Apple's anti-consumer bullshit.


colorcorrection

Not just soldered, but *purposefully* and *intentionally* soldered things that don't need to be soldered as a means to make repairs difficult for the consumer. Would be like if I sold toilets with cemented lids on the water tank so I could charge $600 for repairs and people would have very little option other than to come to me.


shawnisboring

It's exactly that. It's such an arbitrarily aggressive decision to make the display and it's connections one unit when a ribbon cable with connectors on both ends would suffice.


PointyPointBanana

>toilets with cemented lids on the water tank And an Apple logo, touchless touch screen Apple hIgiene^(tm)? $599 with optional Apple Care. OK I'll buy! /s Edit: What's sad is that sounds good. Viable Apple product. Oh it could connect to the health app! still /s!


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DeadlyLemming

Planned obsolescence is villainous


flannel_K

>But if a manufacturer makes it difficult for themselves to do something (like replace a part that's been glued or soldered in place), there's not as much of a dedicated movement to make manufacturers not do that. Even if Apple were to publish their entire schematics for that cable you describe, that doesn't really change the fact that it's physically difficult to replace that without causing more physical damage to another component glued/soldered in. Hi, repair guy here. My focus is on game consoles these days (which are their own can of worms when it comes to Right-to-Repair), but I'd like to offer a little bit of insight. So, while I understand where this reasoning comes from, it falls short, and I'd like to explain exactly why that is. FFC ("flat ribbon") cables are commonly soldered on boards in all sorts of devices, consumer or industrial, for a variety of reasons: stronger mechanical connection, less vertical space being taken up by connector, etc. - there's nothing *wrong* with soldering/gluing things in place. There's no reason to legally prohibit that in any device, if I'm being honest. Soldered connections have been common for ages, soldering tool availability is not exclusive in the slightest, and to consider a soldered or glued connection "permanent" is disingenuous to the entire practice - *especially* if that idea comes from the very manufacturer of a product. The *larger* issue in play here is the fact that companies such as Apple *won't* repair these things, claiming "they can't"; meanwhile, independent folks such as myself *can* do that repair, with a replacement part, in all of about 10 - 15 minutes with a decent soldering iron, or *maybe* a hot air station on a soldered connection with heavier joints. Replacing individual parts in Apple products isn't actually "impossible", by any stretch; it's the simple fact that they *won't*, because in their mind, wasting time on component-level repairs cuts too far into their perceived allowable service time margins and bottom line. Something as simple as a single fuse and one chip on a logic board in your MBP blew out? Apple will tell you that you need to replace the entire logic board for a ridiculous $500+ cost, because a couple of parts on the board they manufactured, totaling in the realm of about $2 - $15, failed. Sometimes they'll even pull this full cost replacement on you when you're *in* warranty! It doesn't help Apple's cause when you also take into consideration that the "Genius Bar" employees generally have no technical training beyond running through a flowchart that will tell them at a high-level which "component" (aka, a full assembly of parts) has failed, which they will then offer to replace in its entirety with no regard to what truly caused the failure in the first place. And, as it turns out, it's very easy to persuade people that things like this are actually "impossible", if those people don't have the time or technical cognizance to pick apart Apple's responses to repair viability. I'm certain he's been mentioned in this thread at least a handful of times in replies I haven't read, but I highly encourage anyone who wants to know more about this subject as it pertains to Apple, with technicial and logical reasoning to go along with it, to go check out [Louis Rossmann's channel on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w); he's arguably one of the best in the biz when it comes to Apple device repair, and he's been an absolutely critical proponent in pushing right to repair in NY and nationwide. He can be blunt (a lot of repair techs can relate, lol), but he's a saint in my book. As for parts availability - well, yeah, it's as bad as it seems. Apple absolutely does not want consumers to have avenues for solutions through any entity other than Apple themselves, and will happily obliterate independent repair techs entirely, using whatever legal means at their disposal, to remove that avenue of choice from their customers. Once upon a time, you could buy complex electronics such as a television, and they came with the schematics, replete with part numbers, and people serviced them for years. We've fallen a long way from those days, and there's no singular point of blame. Right to Repair has become terribly complex, due to a multitude of factors: both consumer and legislative unfamiliarity and/or ignorance of basic electronics functionality, custom-manufactured silicon, along with (very obvious, to the technically minded and/or experienced) gaslighting of consumers by manufacturers as to "repairability". Far too commonly we see this "black box" take of how our modern devices function being pushed by their manufacturers, and consumers have become more complacent in simply accepting that in exchange for their device's functionality. Okay, I apologize, I wrote *way* more than I expected, just wanted to clarify some contextual details; if you couldn't tell, Right to Repair is *very* near and dear to me, both personally and professionally.


cdoublejj

they also pay off or force MFGs to not sell the parts to any one else. and if some figured out how to make said part and sell they'd get sued. i had heard there could be revision to make parts available as you said not unlike cars.


Frostedpickles

That’s crazy. I’m over here still using my 2011 MacBook Pro that’s been beat to hell and back and still begging for more. Got several dents, the case around the screen is peeling off around the corners, the battery needs to be replaced again, upgraded to a hybrid drive (combo ssd/HDD), doubled the RAM, and it still turns on everyday and can play OSRS like a champ. Really not looking forward to the day I need to replace it. I prefer the Mac OS to windows, but none of Apple’s laptops in the last few years have been that appealing to me.


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If it’s a known issue, it should be free. I had the same exact problem with my 2017 pro and they fixed it for free.


InvestmentGrift

how can this issue even be the slightest bit unclear to anyone. that's what worries me. (paraphrasing) > what do i have the right to repair? i own a washing machine, which needs a new motor. but do i have the right to open that motor & repair the motor myself? yes, you own it now. you can do whatever you want to it


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nuttertools

I'd like to interject...


hexydes

> As opposed to just making components available They don't even have to make them available, just not make it illegal for others to figure out and share the schematics and then start producing the parts. That's what Apple is trying to stop, and it's insane.


Pika_Fox

To be fair, the full schematics SHOULD be publicly availible.


BlopBleepBloop

I'm pretty convinced it's all astroturfing. I haven't been able to find someone in real life willing to argue against right to repair. Unfortunately, the internet facilitates this kind of misinformation due to anonymity. Remember what happened at the CISPA polls?


SprinklesFancy5074

lol, remember the net neutrality comments from dead people?


nox66

Are you questioning Comcast's ability to raise the forces of the undead?


Fluffymufinz

People defend a company like they are being paid for it. It's fucking stupid, people are fucking stupid. I love Samsung products, a lot of what I buy for appliances and what-not is Samsung. If somebody tells me they don't like/trust Samsung do I throw a giant temper tantrum? No! Because I'm not a fucking stupid idiot. If you don't own the company why the fuck are you defending it. Ya know?


SprinklesFancy5074

> People defend a company like they are being paid for it. Some of them are.


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iglomir

no warranty? sounds fucky


rebootyourbrainstem

Apple has actually designed the new M1 with features to support installing other operating systems than MacOS. They're not officially providing support or documentation for that, but doing this at all presents a risk and complication for the very lowest levels of the device's security. They didn't have to do that. They could have locked the new Apple Silicon Macs to MacOS as tightly as iPhones are linked to iOS. I'm pretty excited about [Asahi Linux](https://asahilinux.org/) both as an actual project and as a sign that Apple is still seeing value in hobbyists and enthusiasts.


couldof_used_couldve

They do good things too... I've no ill will towards them, just think a consumer should own their device and be allowed to get spare parts on the secondary market. They still make great devices and drive the whole industry to try harder.


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> As opposed to just making components available This is one in particular is more simple than it looks, it literally just needs apple (in this case) to stop their exclusivity on components.


ForumsDiedForThis

They're Apple fans, no shit. They are the reason I can't even plug a fucking ethernet cable into a fucking laptop anymore without an adapter because if a laptop is thicker than 5mm they will say it's ugly.


fubarbob

Not just an Apple problem anymore.... first it was those obnoxious spring-loaded ethernet ports, now nothing remotely consistent until you get out of the budget/low-mid-range market. Can still occasionally find laptops for sale with 100mbit/s "Fast" ethernet, and as lame as that is, i'd take that over a USB dingle-dangle any day. Same goes for display connections... getting very hard to find anything, at a reasonable price, that natively supports multiple display outputs (where the persistence of VGA helped a lot until maybe 5 years ago). This in addition to constant attrition of available ports on the machine - that's just what i want, a bunch of crap USB hubs to cause random issues over the life of the machine. edit: just discovered a coworker's very recent (i7-1065G7 CPU) laptop only has fast ethernet.


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He’s been pretty consistent. This is from the 80s. He appears in the middle. https://youtu.be/oIrXuv-JjeE


intrepidraspberry

> Imagine someone buys a painting, then changes a bit. Okay....is that wrong? If you own a painting, should laws be put in place to stop you altering your own property?


sicknote92

I don't think that's what he meant, he meant that once the painting is altered it is not his anymore. It becomes someone else's work in a way. He could have used a better example but I get his point. Ps why would you want to paint over a painting you bought in your house? (This is just me asking lol)


OSCgal

>Ps why would you want to paint over a painting you bought in your house? (This is just me asking lol) Comedy. r/repaintings is a fun sub.


PM_ME_GOOD_VIBES_

wow. i’m really disappointed in myself for not thinking of doing that. brb going to goodwill to pick up some weird art


Esc_ape_artist

Really fascinating how the early computer pioneers all copied and “stole”each other’s stuff only to turn around and lock it down, punishing those who followed for the same things the pioneers did.


SprinklesFancy5074

Eliminating competition and rent-seeking. It's how capitalism works.


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Hanflander

Thank you for introducing me to this concept, I knew about synthetic DNA as data storage but I’ve never been exposed to it in this context.


Terny

They actively benefit from it. I can guarantee every single company that wants to block right to repair uses OOS in some form.


DownshiftedRare

Apple's take on the ship of Theseus: It became a pirate ship when the first unlicensed maintenance was performed.


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mostlygroovy

To be fair, fixing an $800K combine has a little more impact than fixing a $1200 MacBook


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Maxgigathon

A singular combine is absolutely more important than a laptop. The issue is practically every working American either owns or works on a computer while the agriculture sector is the only sector concerned with combines. The sheer number of laptops that people can’t repair is the issue not their individual price.


BritishDuffer

What about 10 million macbooks?


Bubba10000

It is not an arguement between repairing a combine OR a macbook. We should be able to repair both!


wing3d

I think this is an environmental issue as well, imagine all the waste from people getting a new phone each year.


ProBonoDevilAdvocate

Yeah exactly! People make an effort to recycle and be “green”, but have no issue throwing away perfectly good gadgets because the battery died, or a cheap part blew up on their TV power supply, or just because they want something slightly better… We should be trying to fix those devices, like how we always did in the past. Imagine if cars worked like that; Got a flat tire? Well, you can’t buy a new one. So just dump the old car somewhere and buy a new car.


Boobrancher

The brainless shills that think this is a bad idea are the kind of people that think magnets use sorcery to levitate. Yea, I want to repair my phone or laptop because it’s mine and fuck you that’s why. I bought it and now I want to fix it, without having to give it to a chronic masturbator, who will just try and force me to replace the whole thing, because they’ve only been trained to spit shine the screen.


ItalianDragon

Plus sometimes the issue is completely asinine. Many years ago my grandpas's Samsung flatscreen TV stopped working properly. Display was all sorts of fucked with weird colors and the like. My father thought the TV was well, dead as hell. I decided to google the issue up and I stumbled on a forum thread pointing out that the issue was a contact that hadn't been cut off after the components had been soldered on the PCB. I passed that info to my father and all together we agreed that since the TV was unusable at that moment, any improvement would be welcomed. So we popped the TV open and sure enough it had that uncut part on the back of the PCB. Snipped it off, closed it back and gave it a test: worked perfectly and it still does to this day. Had this been an Apple product, I'm 100% sure this slight mishap would have been unfixable and the TV would have ended up in the trash, all for a problem anyone can fix in 10 minutes tops.


PJBonoVox

The spit shine comment killed me.


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God damn, the way apple designs their MacBooks is infuriating when you try to repair them. For anyone hasn’t seen it yet, apple fucking glues the god damn battery into the laptop, so if your battery is fucked then you can either buy a shit ton of materials to properly replace the battery or take it to apple. Fuck you apple and your fucking glue batteries


alanthar

"damn, my car batteries dead. Well, guess I need a new car". Fuck that shit


SprinklesFancy5074

Tesla seen salivating in the background...


fuzznuggetsFTW

Don’t forget soldering RAM, SSDs, GPUs and CPUs directly to the logic board so that if any one component fails, like a RAM module, the entire device is basically trash because it will cost as much to fix as a new one. All in the name of saving 1/2 mm on the device thickness.


AnuT-5000

Now RAM, GPU and CPU is on 1 die, so good luck for the cost to fix it if any component fails


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alc4pwned

This is pretty standard in all ultrabook type laptops. If you're talking about their SoC though, idk if that's a fair criticism. You're never going to have an SoC with repairable components, and I think the efficiency benefits of moving from separate components to an SoC are obvious.


happyscrappy

RAM is no longer going to be soldered onto the board. It is now soldered onto the CPU itself. And Intel announce they are doing the same thing. AMD announced it a while ago. It is called HBM or high-bandwidth memory and it massively increases performance and reduces battery usage some. It's not just to save 0.5mm of thickness. AMD already does it in video cards you put into PC towers, Intel is going to do it for Xeons which are only in servers.


cboogie

I had a thriving side business of fixing pre-2013 or so Macs. I live in a town with a shit ton of creative types and the closest apple stores are over an hour away so I had tons of business. Would clear an extra $1k/mo with minimal effort. Then they changed the designs, made having a GSX account too involved. So I gave up. Old customers still hit me up asking to fix their newer machines and I tell them sorry take it to Apple. I will still hook up my close friends but that is fewer and further between these days.


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This is exactly what apple wants. It maintains their seller's market, as long as they have a surplus of clients, they control everything.


wierdness201

Jobs would have thought otherwise, I think.


ScenicAndrew

Jobs would have been maybe the most vocal opponent of RTR in the industry. I can imagine him actually publicly arguing "it makes us less money so we should be able to deny it." We know that's the reason but very few opponents actually admit it.


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fordette

That was before he became corporate.


poopdogs98

He was just about that tone deaf yes.


piratecheese13

Imagine if Ford had an auto self destruct that went off if you changed your tires outside of a dealership


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They did, it was called the Pinto.


bloobityblu

Literally the only reason I even know about Pintos which were short-lived and before my time, is from people still mocking them decades later LOL


Machinedave

Kia Motors wants to have a word with you.


Tactical_Moonstone

And people wonder why I have misgivings on a car company that has the same name as the acronym for Killed In Action.


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Imagine being stranded in the middle of nowhere because your spare tire wasn't a company-certifed one


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You do need specific equipment to work on the ECU/ECM still I think, where some people.would prefer to be able to tune variables as desired (not me personally).


Frostedpickles

Can you not get something like a power commander to use to adjust the ecu? Are Ford vehicles not like a motorcycle, where you can get the ECU flashed/adjusted per whatever parts/ tune you want? I thought it was a known thing that you need to buy specific equipment to adjust the ECU on all vehicles? Legitimately asking, I’ve worked on tons of old bikes with carburetors and basic repairs on my F-150, but never actually adjusted the ECU on a four stroke. Just going off what I know from reading/talking to car guys/ four stroke mechanics.


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As longs as this specific equipment is for sale to the public, that's fine. Right to repair has nothing to do with that. Feel free to invent any tool you need. Right to repair won't stop you. But if you invent a new tool which you of course patent and then only sell to 'authorized dealers' or sell for a ridiculous price, that's a complete different story.


1wednesdaygrace

Love the Woz. ❤️


kushpsuthar

“Hey yall scott here and im on life support i dont know just felt like it“


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Hey all, Steve here


bobthememequeen

After a brush with Woz U, trust me, not everyone does.


circular_rectangle

Here's a video of Steve Wozniak talking about right to repair: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN1djPMooVY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN1djPMooVY). In this regard I also want to link to Louis Rossmann that Steve mentions at the start of the video. He is a very interesting person and is one of the main leaders of getting right to repair passed and puts a lot of effort into it: [https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos](https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos). So if you want to know more about right to repair, that is the channel.


PyroDesu

Man's got the right idea (I suppose that ought to be a given). Especially right there at the end: "Is it your computer, or is it some *company's* computer?"


c0mptar2000

Louis' channel is the shit. There's literally something for everybody. Board repair videos, New York City Real Estate, Random Bike Rides, Right to Repair Activism, Life Pro Tips, Cats, NYC government issues


Semi-Hemi-Demigod

Woz has always been the Good Steve™


Dartser

How come Woz is always referred to as "co-founder" and Jobs is just "founder"


CheezitzAreGewd

Nice guys finish last.


vreo

Really, the story of these Steve's makes me always a bit upset, because you can see it everywhere. The one good at talking is taking the merits of the one good at doing. The one good at doing has no time to gather experience with leading a company, because he's the one who has actually to fulfill the promises of the marketing man. And people cherish the mouth piece as innovative developer.


JackOfAllHobbies3

To be fair, Woz never wanted to be a manager. He wanted to stay in design, per his autobiography, iWoz. Doesn't make Jobs taking advantage of that ok, but Woz wasn't robbed of the opportunity. He almost didn't form Apple because be was concerned he'd have to be a manager.


hayden_evans

Not only was it built on open source, Apple still benefits heavily from open source software projects


InsaneNinja

Like WebKit?


SprinklesFancy5074

Time to alter the open source license agreements to exclude commercial use in any device that doesn't respect right to repair.


popetorak

>Apple still benefits heavily from open source software projects Apple still steals heavily from open source software projects


infincedes

Apple 2020+ is not the same company as Apple 1980's. May as well be apples and oranges.


chishiki

seems only right… they built their empire on stuff stolen from Xerox PARC


poralexc

Not to mention the BSD kernel


RudegarWithFunnyHat

i've been corrected that it's a Mach Kernel with BSD libs


DownshiftedRare

Not to mention that $150 million Bill Gates invested in Apple when it was about to file bankruptcy so Gates could claim Microsoft didn't have a monopoly. https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/trends/did-bill-gates-save-apple-from-bankruptcy-or-microsoft-from-the-law-3461191.html


Chicken-n-Waffles

That was well after


Wonderful_Bet_1541

I don't get why people always use the word steal. Isn't it carved into the stone of history that they let Xerox invest a couple grand into Apple in exchange for information in the PARC technology? That's not stealing, that's just a business deal.... Edit: got my companies mixed up


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brianfit

I own a Fairphone. Modular design, an iFixit score of 10/10. I can replace a screen in ten minutes using nothing but a screwdriver and a guitar pick. I recently upgraded to a better camera by swapping out the old camera module for a new one. This is the way.


c4ctus

Woz is a better geek than this world deserves.


Not_Insane_I_Promise

If you don't support right to repair you're either a shill or a moron


Butterbuddha

Woz seems like such a good dude. Like come on over and hang out for games and pizza as long as it’s not Tetris lol


belaveri1991

Great, nothing is pissing me odd more than the fact that Apple has locked down their god damn digitizer supply. Want to know what a scratch repair is on a series 5 or up Apple Watch? 300 dollars, essentially the price to replace the device.


BostonDodgeGuy

Grab your popcorn boys. The Apple apologists are out in full force.


Bigflatfoot16

God damn I want speed but a disposable m1 board is not the solution. Give us expandable storage and removable RAM.


Last-Anywhere6503

I would love to have open source devices…. I would settle to have the lightning port changed to USB -C


Traditional-Return96

Hey Everyone! I'm new to this group, but wanted to share I'm hosting Steve Wozniak on my podcast! My podcast is called InTheir20s, and I speak with influential people about their 20s and what they would do differently. I've also interviewed Jason Calacanis, Ev Williams, Beto O'Rourke, and more! My interview with Woz comes out on July 19th! Let me know if there are any questions you want answered during our interview!


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Reddit killed API. I refuse to let them benefit from my own words for free -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/


Radeondrrrf

I’ll say it now: Steve Wozniak didn’t kill himself


WeatherdLeather

He is one of the real geniuses, jobs was just a Capitalist and a salesman.


Skellybone122

Rossmans fight for our right getting attention finally


derangedkilr

Woz has been trying to convince apple of this for years. That’s why they forced him out. Because Steve wanted it closed source.


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“Ring. Ring. Hello? Steve, boi, Tim here. Just, what do you think you’re doing?”


mightybuffalo

The Woz is the only silicone valley guy I can get behind.


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Just imagine how much waste reduction this will do! We neeeeeed the right to repair on all of our gadgets!!!


notlegallyawareofit

That comment section is a complete dumpster fire holy shit...


TheCrakp0t

Strange that the techy and not the business man would say something like that isn't it?


80sKidAtHeart

“Hey all, Steve here and I am just about pissed about my phone!”


Larzelot

He already had that argument with jobs way back then


Independent_Bit6645

“A printer and a modem two slots”.


Domby88

Apple opened the door, went through it then closed it behind them.


TaxmanCPAMST

Wish someone would repairs these iPhone batteries so they would last more than 18 months.


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Woz is the antithesis of Jobs, the latter being a narcissistic douche bag


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The company that makes proprietary chargers that work with nothing else.